Swindon could be site for fracking search

This Is Wiltshire: MP Justin Tomlinson MP Justin Tomlinson

FIRMS could be allowed to search beneath Swindon for oil and gas as part of Government plans to expand fracking.

For the first time in six years the Government will be asking businesses to apply for licenses to search for and extract onshore oil and gas.

Should the license be granted, it would give permission for firms to use the controversial process of fracking to extract the resources from the ground.

Fracking involves using pressurised liquid to fracture rock and free the gas or oil from the ground, but it has been associated with causing earthquakes and other environmental issues.

The news that the process could one day be used in the town itself has come as a concern to Talis Kimberley, a member of the Swindon Area Green Party.

She said: “When I think that this could come to the edge of my community I worry for the water supply, for the ground beneath my feet and for the future of the environment around us.

“If it comes here there will be no dawn chorus, it is so loud.

“If we want our green and pleasant land to stay green and pleasant then we cannot let fracking come here.

“It drives me to tears that there are so many barriers to building a solar farm that is proven to provide safe, clean and renewable energy and yet fracking could so easily be put in place.

“Fracking threatens our communities with earthquakes, toxic groundwater, noise, and pollution.

“The industry's record is not good. Other countries' experience has not been reassuring, and France, for example, has banned these technologies.

“All this for a few decades’ worth of fuel whose burning tips us further into climate change? And what do we burn then? There are other resources there for us, and we need to find the will to make the changes we need, the sooner the better.”

Businesses interested in exploring the local area will have to follow a special set of application procedures before any work is carried out, and ministers have also announced that national parks and other areas of important countryside will be protected from the process.

But the MP for North Swindon, Justin Tomlinson, said that exploring the principle of onshore oil and gas extraction is necessary if the Government is to ensure the lights stay on.

He said: “There are no applications for licence for Swindon and the rules which will govern them are very strong. The UK though is right to explore fracking and it has the potential to secure our long-term energy security and crucially drive our energy bills down.

“We simply cannot afford to bury our heads if we want to avoid future power-outs.”

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6:41am Tue 29 Jul 14

Blackmalkin says...

Hardly anyone wants this except the government and their cronies in the industry. Once you've contaminated the drinking aquifers with glycol and other chemicals it could take years before you can get clean water out of them again - and most of our water here comes from underground. Mad. It won't even give us cheaper gas!
Hardly anyone wants this except the government and their cronies in the industry. Once you've contaminated the drinking aquifers with glycol and other chemicals it could take years before you can get clean water out of them again - and most of our water here comes from underground. Mad. It won't even give us cheaper gas! Blackmalkin
  • Score: 34

7:56am Tue 29 Jul 14

South Stand says...

The Green Party spokeswoman says 'There are other resources there for us'. Where are these other resources? The idea of fracking does not particularly appeal to me but surely it's better than sleep walking our way into the lights going out.
The Green Party spokeswoman says 'There are other resources there for us'. Where are these other resources? The idea of fracking does not particularly appeal to me but surely it's better than sleep walking our way into the lights going out. South Stand
  • Score: -19

7:57am Tue 29 Jul 14

messyits says...

Blackmalkin wrote:
Hardly anyone wants this except the government and their cronies in the industry. Once you've contaminated the drinking aquifers with glycol and other chemicals it could take years before you can get clean water out of them again - and most of our water here comes from underground. Mad. It won't even give us cheaper gas!
I do not see anyone complaining about the landfill at Blunsdon--do check the locations and water tables.
[quote][p][bold]Blackmalkin[/bold] wrote: Hardly anyone wants this except the government and their cronies in the industry. Once you've contaminated the drinking aquifers with glycol and other chemicals it could take years before you can get clean water out of them again - and most of our water here comes from underground. Mad. It won't even give us cheaper gas![/p][/quote]I do not see anyone complaining about the landfill at Blunsdon--do check the locations and water tables. messyits
  • Score: -10

8:14am Tue 29 Jul 14

messyits says...

South Stand wrote:
The Green Party spokeswoman says 'There are other resources there for us'. Where are these other resources? The idea of fracking does not particularly appeal to me but surely it's better than sleep walking our way into the lights going out.
Unfortunately the greens are selective in supporting green energies available--Solar is not without long term hazards. Wind farms however can produce sufficient energy coupled with HFC technology ensures a constant supply.
[quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote: The Green Party spokeswoman says 'There are other resources there for us'. Where are these other resources? The idea of fracking does not particularly appeal to me but surely it's better than sleep walking our way into the lights going out.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately the greens are selective in supporting green energies available--Solar is not without long term hazards. Wind farms however can produce sufficient energy coupled with HFC technology ensures a constant supply. messyits
  • Score: -11

8:56am Tue 29 Jul 14

Davey Gravey says...

Well they can frack off.
A destructive short term solution at best.
Well they can frack off. A destructive short term solution at best. Davey Gravey
  • Score: 12

9:04am Tue 29 Jul 14

South Stand says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Well they can frack off.
A destructive short term solution at best.
.....and your solution to prevent the lights for going out is?
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Well they can frack off. A destructive short term solution at best.[/p][/quote].....and your solution to prevent the lights for going out is? South Stand
  • Score: -8

9:55am Tue 29 Jul 14

Sandor Clegane says...

It's a good job the Green Party weren't around when humans worked out how to extract oil from under the ground.

Still, they'll be ignored now just as they would have been then.
It's a good job the Green Party weren't around when humans worked out how to extract oil from under the ground. Still, they'll be ignored now just as they would have been then. Sandor Clegane
  • Score: -32

10:04am Tue 29 Jul 14

EmmBee says...

Any technology that would let us tell the Russians where to stick their gas gets my vote.
Any technology that would let us tell the Russians where to stick their gas gets my vote. EmmBee
  • Score: -8

10:39am Tue 29 Jul 14

stratton man says...

We need to start fracking now.Just get on with it before Putin turns the oil and gas off.
We need to start fracking now.Just get on with it before Putin turns the oil and gas off. stratton man
  • Score: -8

10:50am Tue 29 Jul 14

The Real Librarian says...

Blackmalkin wrote:
Hardly anyone wants this except the government and their cronies in the industry. Once you've contaminated the drinking aquifers with glycol and other chemicals it could take years before you can get clean water out of them again - and most of our water here comes from underground. Mad. It won't even give us cheaper gas!
"Hardly anyone wants this except the government and their cronies in the industry"

In reality - you want this.

Why?

Well, the alternative could be no power. Thanks to the Labour government failing to make big decisions, we will be short of supplies and generator capacity soon. If you want to spend your winters in fur coats in your freezing dark house, carry on being a hairy greenie.
[quote][p][bold]Blackmalkin[/bold] wrote: Hardly anyone wants this except the government and their cronies in the industry. Once you've contaminated the drinking aquifers with glycol and other chemicals it could take years before you can get clean water out of them again - and most of our water here comes from underground. Mad. It won't even give us cheaper gas![/p][/quote]"Hardly anyone wants this except the government and their cronies in the industry" In reality - you want this. Why? Well, the alternative could be no power. Thanks to the Labour government failing to make big decisions, we will be short of supplies and generator capacity soon. If you want to spend your winters in fur coats in your freezing dark house, carry on being a hairy greenie. The Real Librarian
  • Score: -12

10:52am Tue 29 Jul 14

swindondad says...

stratton man wrote:
We need to start fracking now.Just get on with it before Putin turns the oil and gas off.
Too true, as a country we are far too dependent on IMPORTED coal / gas / oil.

Fracking has the potential to provide us with energy security for the long term.
[quote][p][bold]stratton man[/bold] wrote: We need to start fracking now.Just get on with it before Putin turns the oil and gas off.[/p][/quote]Too true, as a country we are far too dependent on IMPORTED coal / gas / oil. Fracking has the potential to provide us with energy security for the long term. swindondad
  • Score: -19

11:00am Tue 29 Jul 14

Sandor Clegane says...

Fracking wouldn't have been necessary if successive UK governments had sensibly invested in a serious nuclear power provision. We'd also be paying less for our energy and be largely self-sufficient.

Sadly, nothing was done and do we either allow ourselves to be at the whim of the Russians and/or face a future where electricity and gas is available only to those who can afford the highest prices.

The poorest, the elderly and children will be by far the worst affected and will literally face death. For once, this is a truism and not just silly Labour propaganda. Ironically, it's Labour who are largely to blame for the problem facing us. Three long terms in office and they did NOTHING to position the UK properly in terms of energy provision and supplies.

The chickens are coming home to roost now.
Fracking wouldn't have been necessary if successive UK governments had sensibly invested in a serious nuclear power provision. We'd also be paying less for our energy and be largely self-sufficient. Sadly, nothing was done and do we either allow ourselves to be at the whim of the Russians and/or face a future where electricity and gas is available only to those who can afford the highest prices. The poorest, the elderly and children will be by far the worst affected and will literally face death. For once, this is a truism and not just silly Labour propaganda. Ironically, it's Labour who are largely to blame for the problem facing us. Three long terms in office and they did NOTHING to position the UK properly in terms of energy provision and supplies. The chickens are coming home to roost now. Sandor Clegane
  • Score: -23

12:09pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Davey Gravey says...

South Stand wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
Well they can frack off.
A destructive short term solution at best.
.....and your solution to prevent the lights for going out is?
Solar, wind, wave.
We should be planning for future generations and the protection of the planet. We are slowly destroying it.

Here you go clegane another comment for your special treatment. 👎 -15
[quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Well they can frack off. A destructive short term solution at best.[/p][/quote].....and your solution to prevent the lights for going out is?[/p][/quote]Solar, wind, wave. We should be planning for future generations and the protection of the planet. We are slowly destroying it. Here you go clegane another comment for your special treatment. 👎 -15 Davey Gravey
  • Score: 13

12:37pm Tue 29 Jul 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
South Stand wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
Well they can frack off.
A destructive short term solution at best.
.....and your solution to prevent the lights for going out is?
Solar, wind, wave.
We should be planning for future generations and the protection of the planet. We are slowly destroying it.

Here you go clegane another comment for your special treatment. 👎 -15
Solar and Wind are not green technologies. With a maximum lifespan of around lifespan of around 25 years they consume massive amounts of resources to produce and then last half as long as a regular power station. And even then they don't work half the time either.

Far better in the short term to build a few of those new super efficient coal power stations, like Germany have been doing because everyone's a bit jumpy about Nuclear after Fukushima, and because Solar and Wind are not cutting the mustard as a replacement...

Wave power has its own issues with being "green" and is simply not mature enough and far too expensive to be realistic at the moment.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Well they can frack off. A destructive short term solution at best.[/p][/quote].....and your solution to prevent the lights for going out is?[/p][/quote]Solar, wind, wave. We should be planning for future generations and the protection of the planet. We are slowly destroying it. Here you go clegane another comment for your special treatment. 👎 -15[/p][/quote]Solar and Wind are not green technologies. With a maximum lifespan of around lifespan of around 25 years they consume massive amounts of resources to produce and then last half as long as a regular power station. And even then they don't work half the time either. Far better in the short term to build a few of those new super efficient coal power stations, like Germany have been doing because everyone's a bit jumpy about Nuclear after Fukushima, and because Solar and Wind are not cutting the mustard as a replacement... Wave power has its own issues with being "green" and is simply not mature enough and far too expensive to be realistic at the moment. The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: 1

1:16pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Sandor Clegane says...

It does make me laugh when people say we're 'destroying the planet'. Nothing could be further from the truth. It's almost impossible for humans to 'destroy the planet'. At worst, all we can do is to make life non-viable for billions of humans.

The planet does not care about humans. The planet doesn't care about anything, its own continued existence included.

If people are truly concerned about the human race, it's overpopulation that should be tackled - but, of course, never is. People like to delude themselves into thinking a few windmills and river barriers will solve the energy problem. It won't, not even remotely close.

Even more interestingly, almost all serious commentators on the subject agree with it's not energy, over population, pollution or even climate change that pose the greatest thread to continued human existence.

That accolade is reserved for an 'unknown unknown'. In other words, what will eventually wipe the human race from the planet is something we'll have no knowledge of and no means to prevent... and it could happen at almost any time.

Even primative civilisations had some concept of this, which is why they simply strived to do the best they could at the time. To try and second guess what generations hundreds of years from now might benefit from is actually a very stupid thing to attempt to do - mainly because you're so unlikely to guess correctly.

Coincidentally, today's news about diesel usage just shows how badly the 'experts' get things wrong, even over a 20 year period we're actually alive. Why do we suppose they might get things right about a time long from now when they'll be long since dead?
It does make me laugh when people say we're 'destroying the planet'. Nothing could be further from the truth. It's almost impossible for humans to 'destroy the planet'. At worst, all we can do is to make life non-viable for billions of humans. The planet does not care about humans. The planet doesn't care about anything, its own continued existence included. If people are truly concerned about the human race, it's overpopulation that should be tackled - but, of course, never is. People like to delude themselves into thinking a few windmills and river barriers will solve the energy problem. It won't, not even remotely close. Even more interestingly, almost all serious commentators on the subject agree with it's not energy, over population, pollution or even climate change that pose the greatest thread to continued human existence. That accolade is reserved for an 'unknown unknown'. In other words, what will eventually wipe the human race from the planet is something we'll have no knowledge of and no means to prevent... and it could happen at almost any time. Even primative civilisations had some concept of this, which is why they simply strived to do the best they could at the time. To try and second guess what generations hundreds of years from now might benefit from is actually a very stupid thing to attempt to do - mainly because you're so unlikely to guess correctly. Coincidentally, today's news about diesel usage just shows how badly the 'experts' get things wrong, even over a 20 year period we're actually alive. Why do we suppose they might get things right about a time long from now when they'll be long since dead? Sandor Clegane
  • Score: -20

1:26pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

The people making the decisions will not suffer the massively destructive effects of fracking.
More jobs for the boys same as ever cant wait to see proposed sites for fracking as I understand it coate and broome manor have massive potential deposits the will need to be dug up and investigated.
The people making the decisions will not suffer the massively destructive effects of fracking. More jobs for the boys same as ever cant wait to see proposed sites for fracking as I understand it coate and broome manor have massive potential deposits the will need to be dug up and investigated. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 0

1:30pm Tue 29 Jul 14

South Stand says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
South Stand wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
Well they can frack off.
A destructive short term solution at best.
.....and your solution to prevent the lights for going out is?
Solar, wind, wave.
We should be planning for future generations and the protection of the planet. We are slowly destroying it.

Here you go clegane another comment for your special treatment. 👎 -15
..................an
d then you'd be on here complaining about the wind farms, solar panels and river barrages.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Well they can frack off. A destructive short term solution at best.[/p][/quote].....and your solution to prevent the lights for going out is?[/p][/quote]Solar, wind, wave. We should be planning for future generations and the protection of the planet. We are slowly destroying it. Here you go clegane another comment for your special treatment. 👎 -15[/p][/quote]..................an d then you'd be on here complaining about the wind farms, solar panels and river barrages. South Stand
  • Score: -7

1:34pm Tue 29 Jul 14

South Stand says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
The people making the decisions will not suffer the massively destructive effects of fracking.
More jobs for the boys same as ever cant wait to see proposed sites for fracking as I understand it coate and broome manor have massive potential deposits the will need to be dug up and investigated.
Yet another scare mongerer. Where did you read about this? In the same place that your cloud-cuckoo flew off to no doubt.
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: The people making the decisions will not suffer the massively destructive effects of fracking. More jobs for the boys same as ever cant wait to see proposed sites for fracking as I understand it coate and broome manor have massive potential deposits the will need to be dug up and investigated.[/p][/quote]Yet another scare mongerer. Where did you read about this? In the same place that your cloud-cuckoo flew off to no doubt. South Stand
  • Score: -8

1:39pm Tue 29 Jul 14

trolley dolley says...

Sandor Clegane wrote:
Fracking wouldn't have been necessary if successive UK governments had sensibly invested in a serious nuclear power provision. We'd also be paying less for our energy and be largely self-sufficient.

Sadly, nothing was done and do we either allow ourselves to be at the whim of the Russians and/or face a future where electricity and gas is available only to those who can afford the highest prices.

The poorest, the elderly and children will be by far the worst affected and will literally face death. For once, this is a truism and not just silly Labour propaganda. Ironically, it's Labour who are largely to blame for the problem facing us. Three long terms in office and they did NOTHING to position the UK properly in terms of energy provision and supplies.

The chickens are coming home to roost now.
Am I wrong or does nuclear power require the use of uranium at some stage.

A quick check will tell you we have to import it, so we are still dependant.

Who has the most in uranium reserves in the ground ? RUSSIA.

Russia with its huge land mass has a very high percentage of all the known reserves of world strategic minerals.
[quote][p][bold]Sandor Clegane[/bold] wrote: Fracking wouldn't have been necessary if successive UK governments had sensibly invested in a serious nuclear power provision. We'd also be paying less for our energy and be largely self-sufficient. Sadly, nothing was done and do we either allow ourselves to be at the whim of the Russians and/or face a future where electricity and gas is available only to those who can afford the highest prices. The poorest, the elderly and children will be by far the worst affected and will literally face death. For once, this is a truism and not just silly Labour propaganda. Ironically, it's Labour who are largely to blame for the problem facing us. Three long terms in office and they did NOTHING to position the UK properly in terms of energy provision and supplies. The chickens are coming home to roost now.[/p][/quote]Am I wrong or does nuclear power require the use of uranium at some stage. A quick check will tell you we have to import it, so we are still dependant. Who has the most in uranium reserves in the ground ? RUSSIA. Russia with its huge land mass has a very high percentage of all the known reserves of world strategic minerals. trolley dolley
  • Score: 6

1:44pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Phantom Poster says...

South Stand wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
South Stand wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
Well they can frack off.
A destructive short term solution at best.
.....and your solution to prevent the lights for going out is?
Solar, wind, wave.
We should be planning for future generations and the protection of the planet. We are slowly destroying it.

Here you go clegane another comment for your special treatment. 👎 -15
..................an

d then you'd be on here complaining about the wind farms, solar panels and river barrages.
Nah - he'll be too busy complaining about the Adver's voting system
:-)
[quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Well they can frack off. A destructive short term solution at best.[/p][/quote].....and your solution to prevent the lights for going out is?[/p][/quote]Solar, wind, wave. We should be planning for future generations and the protection of the planet. We are slowly destroying it. Here you go clegane another comment for your special treatment. 👎 -15[/p][/quote]..................an d then you'd be on here complaining about the wind farms, solar panels and river barrages.[/p][/quote]Nah - he'll be too busy complaining about the Adver's voting system :-) Phantom Poster
  • Score: 10

1:46pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

South Stand wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
The people making the decisions will not suffer the massively destructive effects of fracking.
More jobs for the boys same as ever cant wait to see proposed sites for fracking as I understand it coate and broome manor have massive potential deposits the will need to be dug up and investigated.
Yet another scare mongerer. Where did you read about this? In the same place that your cloud-cuckoo flew off to no doubt.
My family home sits near lands that are currently being reviewed for fracking.
Investigations in Germany have seen all fracking work canceled again the UK attempting to emulate the US which itself is a failing country.

Fracking is a great example of what is wrong in the country, short term fix and to hell with the future.
I take it from your comment you have dozens of examples of where fracking has been a benefit to the area please enlighten me.
[quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: The people making the decisions will not suffer the massively destructive effects of fracking. More jobs for the boys same as ever cant wait to see proposed sites for fracking as I understand it coate and broome manor have massive potential deposits the will need to be dug up and investigated.[/p][/quote]Yet another scare mongerer. Where did you read about this? In the same place that your cloud-cuckoo flew off to no doubt.[/p][/quote]My family home sits near lands that are currently being reviewed for fracking. Investigations in Germany have seen all fracking work canceled again the UK attempting to emulate the US which itself is a failing country. Fracking is a great example of what is wrong in the country, short term fix and to hell with the future. I take it from your comment you have dozens of examples of where fracking has been a benefit to the area please enlighten me. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 23

1:48pm Tue 29 Jul 14

swindondad says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
The people making the decisions will not suffer the massively destructive effects of fracking.
More jobs for the boys same as ever cant wait to see proposed sites for fracking as I understand it coate and broome manor have massive potential deposits the will need to be dug up and investigated.
Who says there is any gas in these areas?

Even if there is there will be no need for them to be "dug up" as the vertical drill shaft can be placed miles away from the deposits as they can remove the gas horizontally.

As for it being "jobs for the boys" it is more like "jobs for the countries young people" but I suppose you are apposed to that as well.

Do not believe the "doom and gloom" merchants they have been saying "the oil will run out in 30 years" for at least 30 years and they are still saying the same now.
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: The people making the decisions will not suffer the massively destructive effects of fracking. More jobs for the boys same as ever cant wait to see proposed sites for fracking as I understand it coate and broome manor have massive potential deposits the will need to be dug up and investigated.[/p][/quote]Who says there is any gas in these areas? Even if there is there will be no need for them to be "dug up" as the vertical drill shaft can be placed miles away from the deposits as they can remove the gas horizontally. As for it being "jobs for the boys" it is more like "jobs for the countries young people" but I suppose you are apposed to that as well. Do not believe the "doom and gloom" merchants they have been saying "the oil will run out in 30 years" for at least 30 years and they are still saying the same now. swindondad
  • Score: -9

1:55pm Tue 29 Jul 14

swindondad says...

trolley dolley wrote:
Sandor Clegane wrote:
Fracking wouldn't have been necessary if successive UK governments had sensibly invested in a serious nuclear power provision. We'd also be paying less for our energy and be largely self-sufficient.

Sadly, nothing was done and do we either allow ourselves to be at the whim of the Russians and/or face a future where electricity and gas is available only to those who can afford the highest prices.

The poorest, the elderly and children will be by far the worst affected and will literally face death. For once, this is a truism and not just silly Labour propaganda. Ironically, it's Labour who are largely to blame for the problem facing us. Three long terms in office and they did NOTHING to position the UK properly in terms of energy provision and supplies.

The chickens are coming home to roost now.
Am I wrong or does nuclear power require the use of uranium at some stage.

A quick check will tell you we have to import it, so we are still dependant.

Who has the most in uranium reserves in the ground ? RUSSIA.

Russia with its huge land mass has a very high percentage of all the known reserves of world strategic minerals.
Typical ill informed scare mongering.

Russia is only number 4 on the list of Uranium reserves with less than 10%. The biggest reserves are in Australia.
[quote][p][bold]trolley dolley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sandor Clegane[/bold] wrote: Fracking wouldn't have been necessary if successive UK governments had sensibly invested in a serious nuclear power provision. We'd also be paying less for our energy and be largely self-sufficient. Sadly, nothing was done and do we either allow ourselves to be at the whim of the Russians and/or face a future where electricity and gas is available only to those who can afford the highest prices. The poorest, the elderly and children will be by far the worst affected and will literally face death. For once, this is a truism and not just silly Labour propaganda. Ironically, it's Labour who are largely to blame for the problem facing us. Three long terms in office and they did NOTHING to position the UK properly in terms of energy provision and supplies. The chickens are coming home to roost now.[/p][/quote]Am I wrong or does nuclear power require the use of uranium at some stage. A quick check will tell you we have to import it, so we are still dependant. Who has the most in uranium reserves in the ground ? RUSSIA. Russia with its huge land mass has a very high percentage of all the known reserves of world strategic minerals.[/p][/quote]Typical ill informed scare mongering. Russia is only number 4 on the list of Uranium reserves with less than 10%. The biggest reserves are in Australia. swindondad
  • Score: -6

2:03pm Tue 29 Jul 14

swindondad says...

When it comes to energy security it is worth noting that 3 of the top 5 solar panel production companies are in China and we are overdependent on that country for enough commodities as it is.
When it comes to energy security it is worth noting that 3 of the top 5 solar panel production companies are in China and we are overdependent on that country for enough commodities as it is. swindondad
  • Score: -9

2:05pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

swindondad wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
The people making the decisions will not suffer the massively destructive effects of fracking.
More jobs for the boys same as ever cant wait to see proposed sites for fracking as I understand it coate and broome manor have massive potential deposits the will need to be dug up and investigated.
Who says there is any gas in these areas?

Even if there is there will be no need for them to be "dug up" as the vertical drill shaft can be placed miles away from the deposits as they can remove the gas horizontally.

As for it being "jobs for the boys" it is more like "jobs for the countries young people" but I suppose you are apposed to that as well.

Do not believe the "doom and gloom" merchants they have been saying "the oil will run out in 30 years" for at least 30 years and they are still saying the same now.
No I dont believe that existing levels are as low as stated, it is designed to put pressure on the electorate to allow gov to do what they want.

Jobs for youth would be great but that doesnt happen it will be contracts to JCB or McAlpine as ever and low paid positions paid on a temp or zero hrs contract.
I am all in for progress but there is an abundance of information available that this process effects water and land quality.

I picked those two locations at random (and tongue in cheek) as they would never be allowed to tear up those areas....Not just the drill the infrastructure around it cause negative effects for surrounded areas. This I have seen for myself.
Potentially if there is a crack in the ground gas can be stored there so potentially any and all grounds can be drilled.
[quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: The people making the decisions will not suffer the massively destructive effects of fracking. More jobs for the boys same as ever cant wait to see proposed sites for fracking as I understand it coate and broome manor have massive potential deposits the will need to be dug up and investigated.[/p][/quote]Who says there is any gas in these areas? Even if there is there will be no need for them to be "dug up" as the vertical drill shaft can be placed miles away from the deposits as they can remove the gas horizontally. As for it being "jobs for the boys" it is more like "jobs for the countries young people" but I suppose you are apposed to that as well. Do not believe the "doom and gloom" merchants they have been saying "the oil will run out in 30 years" for at least 30 years and they are still saying the same now.[/p][/quote]No I dont believe that existing levels are as low as stated, it is designed to put pressure on the electorate to allow gov to do what they want. Jobs for youth would be great but that doesnt happen it will be contracts to JCB or McAlpine as ever and low paid positions paid on a temp or zero hrs contract. I am all in for progress but there is an abundance of information available that this process effects water and land quality. I picked those two locations at random (and tongue in cheek) as they would never be allowed to tear up those areas....Not just the drill the infrastructure around it cause negative effects for surrounded areas. This I have seen for myself. Potentially if there is a crack in the ground gas can be stored there so potentially any and all grounds can be drilled. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 7

2:23pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Sandor Clegane says...

The government can do as it pleases in any case, so that argument seems invalid.

Equally, you can't one minute say something will create jobs and then also say it'll be the 'wrong' kind of jobs. The fracking industry would create, potentially, 74,000 jobs in the UK and it's ridiculous to suggest that the types of jobs involved would be zero hours contract and temp jobs.

Most would be geologists, engineers, construction workers, business analysts, truck drivers and public relations staff are examples of the people needed by the industry as well as cement and steel manufacturers, equipment manufacturers, drilling services companies. Only a tiny percentage of those would ever be on zero hours contracts. In fact, due to the nature of the skillsets and the industry, they'd likely be very well paid.

With regards to environmental concerns, they are almost all based around ONE small US report that suggests fracking could have an impact on habitat, water quality, water quantity, noise and air pollution. Even the publishers of the report admit their studies are at the very early stages.

'Suggest and 'could' are not words any scientist is going to take seriously - although, of course, the Greens will automatically assume it will definitely be the case.

People said the same about oil and gas extraction... yet we're all still alive.
The government can do as it pleases in any case, so that argument seems invalid. Equally, you can't one minute say something will create jobs and then also say it'll be the 'wrong' kind of jobs. The fracking industry would create, potentially, 74,000 jobs in the UK and it's ridiculous to suggest that the types of jobs involved would be zero hours contract and temp jobs. Most would be geologists, engineers, construction workers, business analysts, truck drivers and public relations staff are examples of the people needed by the industry as well as cement and steel manufacturers, equipment manufacturers, drilling services companies. Only a tiny percentage of those would ever be on zero hours contracts. In fact, due to the nature of the skillsets and the industry, they'd likely be very well paid. With regards to environmental concerns, they are almost all based around ONE small US report that suggests fracking could have an impact on habitat, water quality, water quantity, noise and air pollution. Even the publishers of the report admit their studies are at the very early stages. 'Suggest and 'could' are not words any scientist is going to take seriously - although, of course, the Greens will automatically assume it will definitely be the case. People said the same about oil and gas extraction... yet we're all still alive. Sandor Clegane
  • Score: -20

2:49pm Tue 29 Jul 14

house on the hill says...

Sandor Clegane wrote:
The government can do as it pleases in any case, so that argument seems invalid.

Equally, you can't one minute say something will create jobs and then also say it'll be the 'wrong' kind of jobs. The fracking industry would create, potentially, 74,000 jobs in the UK and it's ridiculous to suggest that the types of jobs involved would be zero hours contract and temp jobs.

Most would be geologists, engineers, construction workers, business analysts, truck drivers and public relations staff are examples of the people needed by the industry as well as cement and steel manufacturers, equipment manufacturers, drilling services companies. Only a tiny percentage of those would ever be on zero hours contracts. In fact, due to the nature of the skillsets and the industry, they'd likely be very well paid.

With regards to environmental concerns, they are almost all based around ONE small US report that suggests fracking could have an impact on habitat, water quality, water quantity, noise and air pollution. Even the publishers of the report admit their studies are at the very early stages.

'Suggest and 'could' are not words any scientist is going to take seriously - although, of course, the Greens will automatically assume it will definitely be the case.

People said the same about oil and gas extraction... yet we're all still alive.
For now! How long before we can no longer function. How long did it take in the last tanker drivers strike to cause panic at the pumps and in the shops. Why would Russia turn off the oil and gas when they make so much money from it? And don't forget most of the electric companies are owned by overseas companies.

I don't think there is much doubt that in time man will manufacture his own downfall with the selfish attitudes of today's world. Fracking is a small drop in a massive ocean and is more about being seen to be doing something than actually doing anything meaningful
[quote][p][bold]Sandor Clegane[/bold] wrote: The government can do as it pleases in any case, so that argument seems invalid. Equally, you can't one minute say something will create jobs and then also say it'll be the 'wrong' kind of jobs. The fracking industry would create, potentially, 74,000 jobs in the UK and it's ridiculous to suggest that the types of jobs involved would be zero hours contract and temp jobs. Most would be geologists, engineers, construction workers, business analysts, truck drivers and public relations staff are examples of the people needed by the industry as well as cement and steel manufacturers, equipment manufacturers, drilling services companies. Only a tiny percentage of those would ever be on zero hours contracts. In fact, due to the nature of the skillsets and the industry, they'd likely be very well paid. With regards to environmental concerns, they are almost all based around ONE small US report that suggests fracking could have an impact on habitat, water quality, water quantity, noise and air pollution. Even the publishers of the report admit their studies are at the very early stages. 'Suggest and 'could' are not words any scientist is going to take seriously - although, of course, the Greens will automatically assume it will definitely be the case. People said the same about oil and gas extraction... yet we're all still alive.[/p][/quote]For now! How long before we can no longer function. How long did it take in the last tanker drivers strike to cause panic at the pumps and in the shops. Why would Russia turn off the oil and gas when they make so much money from it? And don't forget most of the electric companies are owned by overseas companies. I don't think there is much doubt that in time man will manufacture his own downfall with the selfish attitudes of today's world. Fracking is a small drop in a massive ocean and is more about being seen to be doing something than actually doing anything meaningful house on the hill
  • Score: 10

2:58pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Sandor Clegane wrote:
The government can do as it pleases in any case, so that argument seems invalid.

Equally, you can't one minute say something will create jobs and then also say it'll be the 'wrong' kind of jobs. The fracking industry would create, potentially, 74,000 jobs in the UK and it's ridiculous to suggest that the types of jobs involved would be zero hours contract and temp jobs.

Most would be geologists, engineers, construction workers, business analysts, truck drivers and public relations staff are examples of the people needed by the industry as well as cement and steel manufacturers, equipment manufacturers, drilling services companies. Only a tiny percentage of those would ever be on zero hours contracts. In fact, due to the nature of the skillsets and the industry, they'd likely be very well paid.

With regards to environmental concerns, they are almost all based around ONE small US report that suggests fracking could have an impact on habitat, water quality, water quantity, noise and air pollution. Even the publishers of the report admit their studies are at the very early stages.

'Suggest and 'could' are not words any scientist is going to take seriously - although, of course, the Greens will automatically assume it will definitely be the case.

People said the same about oil and gas extraction... yet we're all still alive.
They would be exactly temp contracts like all building contracts.
No my concerns of the environment are the roads that are needed to put the stations in place as I stated in previous comment.

Your first line is correct the government does exactly as it pleases no matter what the people think or need, we are just the idiots that allow them to have power.
The answer to this is to remember how many promises they have made and broken in the past and vote accordingly.
Yourself and other councilors have made a mess of every single project coming through the town no doubt this will be no different the only consistent is that pockets are lined time after time.

Any projects put in place by council that you are proud of? Under budget or even on time?
[quote][p][bold]Sandor Clegane[/bold] wrote: The government can do as it pleases in any case, so that argument seems invalid. Equally, you can't one minute say something will create jobs and then also say it'll be the 'wrong' kind of jobs. The fracking industry would create, potentially, 74,000 jobs in the UK and it's ridiculous to suggest that the types of jobs involved would be zero hours contract and temp jobs. Most would be geologists, engineers, construction workers, business analysts, truck drivers and public relations staff are examples of the people needed by the industry as well as cement and steel manufacturers, equipment manufacturers, drilling services companies. Only a tiny percentage of those would ever be on zero hours contracts. In fact, due to the nature of the skillsets and the industry, they'd likely be very well paid. With regards to environmental concerns, they are almost all based around ONE small US report that suggests fracking could have an impact on habitat, water quality, water quantity, noise and air pollution. Even the publishers of the report admit their studies are at the very early stages. 'Suggest and 'could' are not words any scientist is going to take seriously - although, of course, the Greens will automatically assume it will definitely be the case. People said the same about oil and gas extraction... yet we're all still alive.[/p][/quote]They would be exactly temp contracts like all building contracts. No my concerns of the environment are the roads that are needed to put the stations in place as I stated in previous comment. Your first line is correct the government does exactly as it pleases no matter what the people think or need, we are just the idiots that allow them to have power. The answer to this is to remember how many promises they have made and broken in the past and vote accordingly. Yourself and other councilors have made a mess of every single project coming through the town no doubt this will be no different the only consistent is that pockets are lined time after time. Any projects put in place by council that you are proud of? Under budget or even on time? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 32

3:03pm Tue 29 Jul 14

South Stand says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
South Stand wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
The people making the decisions will not suffer the massively destructive effects of fracking.
More jobs for the boys same as ever cant wait to see proposed sites for fracking as I understand it coate and broome manor have massive potential deposits the will need to be dug up and investigated.
Yet another scare mongerer. Where did you read about this? In the same place that your cloud-cuckoo flew off to no doubt.
My family home sits near lands that are currently being reviewed for fracking.
Investigations in Germany have seen all fracking work canceled again the UK attempting to emulate the US which itself is a failing country.

Fracking is a great example of what is wrong in the country, short term fix and to hell with the future.
I take it from your comment you have dozens of examples of where fracking has been a benefit to the area please enlighten me.
Thank you Badger. That was a complete and very full answer to my question regarding Coate and Broome Manor. Out with your lights.
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: The people making the decisions will not suffer the massively destructive effects of fracking. More jobs for the boys same as ever cant wait to see proposed sites for fracking as I understand it coate and broome manor have massive potential deposits the will need to be dug up and investigated.[/p][/quote]Yet another scare mongerer. Where did you read about this? In the same place that your cloud-cuckoo flew off to no doubt.[/p][/quote]My family home sits near lands that are currently being reviewed for fracking. Investigations in Germany have seen all fracking work canceled again the UK attempting to emulate the US which itself is a failing country. Fracking is a great example of what is wrong in the country, short term fix and to hell with the future. I take it from your comment you have dozens of examples of where fracking has been a benefit to the area please enlighten me.[/p][/quote]Thank you Badger. That was a complete and very full answer to my question regarding Coate and Broome Manor. Out with your lights. South Stand
  • Score: -11

3:07pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Sandor Clegane says...

To an extent, yes. Until we build nuclear power stations, anything else is just playing at it but, unfortunately, doing nothing is not an option.

And 'green' energy 'solutions' effectively amount to doing nothing.

You think Russia needs, or even cares, about the money it makes from the UK? You have heard of Vladimir Putin, right?

People have been proclaiming the end of mankind due to its 'selfishness' since before even religion adopted the propaganda. We're still here. Ironically, it's precisely our 'selfishness' that has ensured we're still here... and it will continue to do so until something completely out of our control destroys us.

Although, even the most devastating models and predictions suggest that there will be continued pockets of humanity left alive on the planet almost regardless of what happens. There just won't be billions of us 'ruining it'. The Greens should be looking forward to it, if anything.
To an extent, yes. Until we build nuclear power stations, anything else is just playing at it but, unfortunately, doing nothing is not an option. And 'green' energy 'solutions' effectively amount to doing nothing. You think Russia needs, or even cares, about the money it makes from the UK? You have heard of Vladimir Putin, right? People have been proclaiming the end of mankind due to its 'selfishness' since before even religion adopted the propaganda. We're still here. Ironically, it's precisely our 'selfishness' that has ensured we're still here... and it will continue to do so until something completely out of our control destroys us. Although, even the most devastating models and predictions suggest that there will be continued pockets of humanity left alive on the planet almost regardless of what happens. There just won't be billions of us 'ruining it'. The Greens should be looking forward to it, if anything. Sandor Clegane
  • Score: -22

3:55pm Tue 29 Jul 14

mrwoo says...

I believe that frecking is particularly popular with gay men, or is that cottaging?
I believe that frecking is particularly popular with gay men, or is that cottaging? mrwoo
  • Score: 16

4:06pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Davey Gravey says...

South Stand wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
South Stand wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
Well they can frack off.
A destructive short term solution at best.
.....and your solution to prevent the lights for going out is?
Solar, wind, wave.
We should be planning for future generations and the protection of the planet. We are slowly destroying it.

Here you go clegane another comment for your special treatment. 👎 -15
..................an

d then you'd be on here complaining about the wind farms, solar panels and river barrages.
Well I'm all for those ways of alternative energy and I'd hope clegane will be banned fir good by then.
[quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Well they can frack off. A destructive short term solution at best.[/p][/quote].....and your solution to prevent the lights for going out is?[/p][/quote]Solar, wind, wave. We should be planning for future generations and the protection of the planet. We are slowly destroying it. Here you go clegane another comment for your special treatment. 👎 -15[/p][/quote]..................an d then you'd be on here complaining about the wind farms, solar panels and river barrages.[/p][/quote]Well I'm all for those ways of alternative energy and I'd hope clegane will be banned fir good by then. Davey Gravey
  • Score: 25

4:27pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
South Stand wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
South Stand wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
Well they can frack off.
A destructive short term solution at best.
.....and your solution to prevent the lights for going out is?
Solar, wind, wave.
We should be planning for future generations and the protection of the planet. We are slowly destroying it.

Here you go clegane another comment for your special treatment. 👎 -15
..................an


d then you'd be on here complaining about the wind farms, solar panels and river barrages.
Well I'm all for those ways of alternative energy and I'd hope clegane will be banned fir good by then.
LOL it will just be back as a different channel spouting the same selfish far right rhetoric.

If you were to talk to such a person in general society you would refer to that person as a moron wouldnt you?
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Well they can frack off. A destructive short term solution at best.[/p][/quote].....and your solution to prevent the lights for going out is?[/p][/quote]Solar, wind, wave. We should be planning for future generations and the protection of the planet. We are slowly destroying it. Here you go clegane another comment for your special treatment. 👎 -15[/p][/quote]..................an d then you'd be on here complaining about the wind farms, solar panels and river barrages.[/p][/quote]Well I'm all for those ways of alternative energy and I'd hope clegane will be banned fir good by then.[/p][/quote]LOL it will just be back as a different channel spouting the same selfish far right rhetoric. If you were to talk to such a person in general society you would refer to that person as a moron wouldnt you? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 29

4:53pm Tue 29 Jul 14

goodgolly says...

It's about time this was considered. I think they should start exploring under penhill first followed by pinehurst, the parks and new Walcott. Frack the s@&t out of them and send them into a deep underground crevice forever!!!
It's about time this was considered. I think they should start exploring under penhill first followed by pinehurst, the parks and new Walcott. Frack the s@&t out of them and send them into a deep underground crevice forever!!! goodgolly
  • Score: -16

8:25pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Wowzimmer says...

Before we all get our knickers in a twist it's first worth noting that this article is simply covering a government announcement that covers a huge swathe of the country. Swindon, along with many other towns and cities are within an area that companies can apply for permits to conduct exploratory work. Fracking is not about to start in Swindon, it's hasn't been approved in Swindon, in fact no one even knows whether the area has the suitable resources for fracking to take place.

Is fracking a good idea? Well, it seems to depend on what side of the environmental debate you sit on. In my opinion I believe that the anti-fracking argument is led by a Green lobby who are inherently biased against fossil fuels. It therefore stands to reason that environmental campaigners will manipulate inaccurate data for their own ends.

Will the water table be polluted? Research says 'No'.
Will the landscape be blighted? Past experience is not.
Will the local geology be seriously disrupted? Again research says 'No'.

Having taken the time to listen to both sides of the debate I am swinging in favour of fracking.

As other commentators have noted this isn't simply a environmental debate but a geo-political debate. Do I want to be reliant on Russia and the Middle East to supply oil to the UK? Do I think that the UK and Europe are able to switch to solely green energy sources in the foreseeable further?

The simple answer is No. Whether we like it or not the UK needs cheap, reliable energy. In an uncertain world we need to take control of our energy supply. Whether fracking is a short term solution or not isn't the question. Fracking can provide the energy we need now. Based on the environmental and geo-political arguments I've heard on both sides I back tracking.

Should it come to Swindon? If we have the right resources then a resounding Yes. Not only would it be blatant NIMBYism to argue anything else but think about the taxes, jobs and resources that such work would bring to the town.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to promote a laissez-faire, irresponsible attitude. Such work would need to be highly scrutinised, regulated and sensitively carried out.

For now, I look forward to both sides of the fracking argument to put their cases, using proper science and evidence so that we can make proper, informed decisions.
Before we all get our knickers in a twist it's first worth noting that this article is simply covering a government announcement that covers a huge swathe of the country. Swindon, along with many other towns and cities are within an area that companies can apply for permits to conduct exploratory work. Fracking is not about to start in Swindon, it's hasn't been approved in Swindon, in fact no one even knows whether the area has the suitable resources for fracking to take place. Is fracking a good idea? Well, it seems to depend on what side of the environmental debate you sit on. In my opinion I believe that the anti-fracking argument is led by a Green lobby who are inherently biased against fossil fuels. It therefore stands to reason that environmental campaigners will manipulate inaccurate data for their own ends. Will the water table be polluted? Research says 'No'. Will the landscape be blighted? Past experience is not. Will the local geology be seriously disrupted? Again research says 'No'. Having taken the time to listen to both sides of the debate I am swinging in favour of fracking. As other commentators have noted this isn't simply a environmental debate but a geo-political debate. Do I want to be reliant on Russia and the Middle East to supply oil to the UK? Do I think that the UK and Europe are able to switch to solely green energy sources in the foreseeable further? The simple answer is No. Whether we like it or not the UK needs cheap, reliable energy. In an uncertain world we need to take control of our energy supply. Whether fracking is a short term solution or not isn't the question. Fracking can provide the energy we need now. Based on the environmental and geo-political arguments I've heard on both sides I back tracking. Should it come to Swindon? If we have the right resources then a resounding Yes. Not only would it be blatant NIMBYism to argue anything else but think about the taxes, jobs and resources that such work would bring to the town. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to promote a laissez-faire, irresponsible attitude. Such work would need to be highly scrutinised, regulated and sensitively carried out. For now, I look forward to both sides of the fracking argument to put their cases, using proper science and evidence so that we can make proper, informed decisions. Wowzimmer
  • Score: -8

8:25pm Tue 29 Jul 14

El Bob says...

I can't wait for fracking. The fantastic tories will ensure the profits will be spread out to the communities that have had disruption. It will be a real long term solution to our energy needs, I mean these countries who think it may be best to wait or go with something else: what wimps! I mean the U.S.A does it which, for me, is an automatic seal of approval.

Those idiotic greens actually suggesting we need to find sources of energy that are non polluting, honestly that kind of nonsense about caring for other people and the planet went out ages ago. As long as our current gas imports from Russia goes from 0 to er .. 0 then that's all I care about.

No one has mentioned it but a few of the tory donors will directly benefit from an increase in fracking and I think that's great. They invented gas, they are rich and therefore should get a big piece of the windfall. Gideon Osbourne's father in law will benefit financially and thank the lord for that. Because when I look at our childrens centres closing, one of my first thoughts was for Lord Howell's personal fortune.

And well done to Justin Tomlinson. Forget about your constituents' worries, keep on trumpeting what the party wants. You might get the next promotion when Cameron has a reshuffle and thats what we Swindonians want:M.Ps that look out for themselves, just like us!
I can't wait for fracking. The fantastic tories will ensure the profits will be spread out to the communities that have had disruption. It will be a real long term solution to our energy needs, I mean these countries who think it may be best to wait or go with something else: what wimps! I mean the U.S.A does it which, for me, is an automatic seal of approval. Those idiotic greens actually suggesting we need to find sources of energy that are non polluting, honestly that kind of nonsense about caring for other people and the planet went out ages ago. As long as our current gas imports from Russia goes from 0 to er .. 0 then that's all I care about. No one has mentioned it but a few of the tory donors will directly benefit from an increase in fracking and I think that's great. They invented gas, they are rich and therefore should get a big piece of the windfall. Gideon Osbourne's father in law will benefit financially and thank the lord for that. Because when I look at our childrens centres closing, one of my first thoughts was for Lord Howell's personal fortune. And well done to Justin Tomlinson. Forget about your constituents' worries, keep on trumpeting what the party wants. You might get the next promotion when Cameron has a reshuffle and thats what we Swindonians want:M.Ps that look out for themselves, just like us! El Bob
  • Score: 18

8:47pm Tue 29 Jul 14

messyits says...

Sandor Clegane wrote:
To an extent, yes. Until we build nuclear power stations, anything else is just playing at it but, unfortunately, doing nothing is not an option.

And 'green' energy 'solutions' effectively amount to doing nothing.

You think Russia needs, or even cares, about the money it makes from the UK? You have heard of Vladimir Putin, right?

People have been proclaiming the end of mankind due to its 'selfishness' since before even religion adopted the propaganda. We're still here. Ironically, it's precisely our 'selfishness' that has ensured we're still here... and it will continue to do so until something completely out of our control destroys us.

Although, even the most devastating models and predictions suggest that there will be continued pockets of humanity left alive on the planet almost regardless of what happens. There just won't be billions of us 'ruining it'. The Greens should be looking forward to it, if anything.
"To an extent, yes. Until we build nuclear power stations, anything else is just playing at it but, unfortunately, doing nothing is not an option"

You do know of course the UK contributes to 3 of the latest technology nuclear sites in a country 50% Chinese owned and sells most of its output already to many countries?
You would also know which party agreed new plants to be built using less efficient reactors--despite solid evidence of zero emissions from latest technology.

You think Russia needs, or even cares, about the money it makes from the UK? You have heard of Vladimir Putin, right?

Correct--the amount is minor--his ambition is to reform the USSR by any means.
[quote][p][bold]Sandor Clegane[/bold] wrote: To an extent, yes. Until we build nuclear power stations, anything else is just playing at it but, unfortunately, doing nothing is not an option. And 'green' energy 'solutions' effectively amount to doing nothing. You think Russia needs, or even cares, about the money it makes from the UK? You have heard of Vladimir Putin, right? People have been proclaiming the end of mankind due to its 'selfishness' since before even religion adopted the propaganda. We're still here. Ironically, it's precisely our 'selfishness' that has ensured we're still here... and it will continue to do so until something completely out of our control destroys us. Although, even the most devastating models and predictions suggest that there will be continued pockets of humanity left alive on the planet almost regardless of what happens. There just won't be billions of us 'ruining it'. The Greens should be looking forward to it, if anything.[/p][/quote]"To an extent, yes. Until we build nuclear power stations, anything else is just playing at it but, unfortunately, doing nothing is not an option" You do know of course the UK contributes to 3 of the latest technology nuclear sites in a country 50% Chinese owned and sells most of its output already to many countries? You would also know which party agreed new plants to be built using less efficient reactors--despite solid evidence of zero emissions from latest technology. You think Russia needs, or even cares, about the money it makes from the UK? You have heard of Vladimir Putin, right? Correct--the amount is minor--his ambition is to reform the USSR by any means. messyits
  • Score: 14

9:00pm Tue 29 Jul 14

South Stand says...

El Bob wrote:
I can't wait for fracking. The fantastic tories will ensure the profits will be spread out to the communities that have had disruption. It will be a real long term solution to our energy needs, I mean these countries who think it may be best to wait or go with something else: what wimps! I mean the U.S.A does it which, for me, is an automatic seal of approval.

Those idiotic greens actually suggesting we need to find sources of energy that are non polluting, honestly that kind of nonsense about caring for other people and the planet went out ages ago. As long as our current gas imports from Russia goes from 0 to er .. 0 then that's all I care about.

No one has mentioned it but a few of the tory donors will directly benefit from an increase in fracking and I think that's great. They invented gas, they are rich and therefore should get a big piece of the windfall. Gideon Osbourne's father in law will benefit financially and thank the lord for that. Because when I look at our childrens centres closing, one of my first thoughts was for Lord Howell's personal fortune.

And well done to Justin Tomlinson. Forget about your constituents' worries, keep on trumpeting what the party wants. You might get the next promotion when Cameron has a reshuffle and thats what we Swindonians want:M.Ps that look out for themselves, just like us!
...and what has most of what you said got to do with fracking? Apart from another load of gas from the Labour party.
[quote][p][bold]El Bob[/bold] wrote: I can't wait for fracking. The fantastic tories will ensure the profits will be spread out to the communities that have had disruption. It will be a real long term solution to our energy needs, I mean these countries who think it may be best to wait or go with something else: what wimps! I mean the U.S.A does it which, for me, is an automatic seal of approval. Those idiotic greens actually suggesting we need to find sources of energy that are non polluting, honestly that kind of nonsense about caring for other people and the planet went out ages ago. As long as our current gas imports from Russia goes from 0 to er .. 0 then that's all I care about. No one has mentioned it but a few of the tory donors will directly benefit from an increase in fracking and I think that's great. They invented gas, they are rich and therefore should get a big piece of the windfall. Gideon Osbourne's father in law will benefit financially and thank the lord for that. Because when I look at our childrens centres closing, one of my first thoughts was for Lord Howell's personal fortune. And well done to Justin Tomlinson. Forget about your constituents' worries, keep on trumpeting what the party wants. You might get the next promotion when Cameron has a reshuffle and thats what we Swindonians want:M.Ps that look out for themselves, just like us![/p][/quote]...and what has most of what you said got to do with fracking? Apart from another load of gas from the Labour party. South Stand
  • Score: -21

9:18pm Tue 29 Jul 14

IanRM says...

South Stand wrote:
The Green Party spokeswoman says 'There are other resources there for us'. Where are these other resources? The idea of fracking does not particularly appeal to me but surely it's better than sleep walking our way into the lights going out.
This is the GREEN Party spokeswoman??? lmao
[quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote: The Green Party spokeswoman says 'There are other resources there for us'. Where are these other resources? The idea of fracking does not particularly appeal to me but surely it's better than sleep walking our way into the lights going out.[/p][/quote]This is the GREEN Party spokeswoman??? lmao IanRM
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9:40pm Tue 29 Jul 14

South Stand says...

IanRM wrote:
South Stand wrote:
The Green Party spokeswoman says 'There are other resources there for us'. Where are these other resources? The idea of fracking does not particularly appeal to me but surely it's better than sleep walking our way into the lights going out.
This is the GREEN Party spokeswoman??? lmao
?????????????? Don't understand.
[quote][p][bold]IanRM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote: The Green Party spokeswoman says 'There are other resources there for us'. Where are these other resources? The idea of fracking does not particularly appeal to me but surely it's better than sleep walking our way into the lights going out.[/p][/quote]This is the GREEN Party spokeswoman??? lmao[/p][/quote]?????????????? Don't understand. South Stand
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7:45pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Cooler says...

The headline "Swindon could be site for fracking search" is rather ill-informed as there isn't actually shale rock under Swindon.

Beneath central Swindon it is clay, with Kimmeridge clay at lower levels hence the name of the redevelopment area around the former central police station.

As you move further out you get to Hayzelbury Bryan Formation which is a mixture of sandstone, siltstone and mudst.

As you move further out still you come across either more clay or chalk and limestone. The local geology just isn't fracking territory.

Whilst I respect the opinions of the commentors both for and against fracking the headline is still ill-informed and I don't think we actually need to worry about fracking beneath Swindon.
The headline "Swindon could be site for fracking search" is rather ill-informed as there isn't actually shale rock under Swindon. Beneath central Swindon it is clay, with Kimmeridge clay at lower levels hence the name of the redevelopment area around the former central police station. As you move further out you get to Hayzelbury Bryan Formation which is a mixture of sandstone, siltstone and mudst. As you move further out still you come across either more clay or chalk and limestone. The local geology just isn't fracking territory. Whilst I respect the opinions of the commentors both for and against fracking the headline is still ill-informed and I don't think we actually need to worry about fracking beneath Swindon. Cooler
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