Police issue appeal after fatal A36 crash

11:11am Tuesday 5th February 2013 in News

A floral tribute at the scene of the crash this morning A floral tribute at the scene of the crash this morning

Police are appealing for witnesses after a fatal road crash on the A36 near Warminster last night.

A 50-year-old man from the Rode area was killed in a collision with another car just after 5pm and the road was closed for seven hours.

The Wiltshire Air Ambulance attended but the man suffered multiple injuries and was pronounced dead at the scene.

The incident happened at Norridge Woods on the A36 between the Cley Hill and Granada Services roundabouts.

A white VW Golf driven by a 22-year-old from Melksham, who was driving towards the Granada Services, collided with the man's green coloured Rover 400.

The road, closed while emergency services carried out investigations into the crash. was re-opened this morning.

Anyone who witnessed the incident is asked to contact PC David Williams from the serious collision investigation team on the police non-emergency number 101.

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old 'arry says...
3:19pm Tue 5 Feb 13

VW Golf? 22 year old male? Statistics seem to be loaded against the combination.

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Luna45 says...
4:25pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Someones recklessness and stupidity killing an innocent family man !!

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Betty77 says...
5:28pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Both of the above comments reek of jumping to conclusions without any facts, not all 22yr old VW drivers are 'reckless' & 'stupid'. With it happening at 5pm lets assume it was an all too common rush hour traffic collision until proven otherwise.

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rustybucket says...
5:28pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Here we go again with you all making assumptions. It could have been a vehicle failure on either car or maybe the elder gentleman was taken ill. Maybe the Rover swerved to avoid another irresponsible driver or an animal. Or heaven forbid the Rover driving was driving with undue car and attention or speeding. If you don't know all the facts, it's better not to make any comment at all. If you do know the facts speak to the police!

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melkshamlady says...
6:17pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Well said Betty77 and rusty bucket. How inconsiderate of these people to make assumptions and accusation that it was the 22year olds fault. The police definitely haven't said or implied this. How awful to be involved in such an awful incident and how awful for both families. Show some respect for all involved. Not every young driver is a bad reckless driver, there are bad drivers of all ages and no one knows the circumstances yet.

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Luna45 says...
6:57pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Sorry to offend but maybe come back to this page when you know the facts !!

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Anoymous says...
11:23pm Tue 5 Feb 13

As a young driver myself, I find it completely unbelievable and incredibly ageist to suggest that the 22-year old driver was at fault! I'm not saying either he is or he isn't, all I can make from the article is that there has been an awful incident here. Neither of the people involved, or their families for that matter, need to see the blame being thrown around on "statistics" I've seen the older "more experienced" drivers causing much more of a risk on our roads. So pull your head out of your a*se and show some respect and pray for those who have lost!!!

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redrum says...
5:01am Wed 6 Feb 13

How about we leave it up to the trained professionals to work out how this terrible accident came about, rather than blaming people when we have no facts. What ever has happened there is a dead person and devastated family and friends. RIP.

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old 'arry says...
6:18am Wed 6 Feb 13

I did NOT suggest anyone was to blame. I said STATISTICS prove that proportionally young males are involved in more fatal accidents than other groups. FACT. That's why their insurance is much higher. Why do people leap to conclusions and say that is blaming someone? Read what's there, not what you think is or should be there.

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Mrs Donnyfly says...
8:06am Wed 6 Feb 13

Anonymous said: So pull your head out of your a*se and show some respect and pray for those who have lost!!!

I find demands for people to pray very distasteful.

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samba21 says...
9:35am Wed 6 Feb 13

I know somebody who was driving the car behind and the 22 year old overtook a lorry and that is why they crashed, so there are the facts.

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samba21 says...
9:47am Wed 6 Feb 13

I am sure he feels terrible though, it will have ruined his life too, RIP to the man who died

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old 'arry says...
3:56pm Wed 6 Feb 13

samba21 wrote:
I am sure he feels terrible though, it will have ruined his life too, RIP to the man who died
Oh dear, so all the do-gooders who sprang to his defence have egg on their faces! How will it ruin his life? A ban for a couple of years and he'll be back playing boy racers again.

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beetawix says...
1:32am Thu 7 Feb 13

With the benefit of statistics one can see that it is far safer to drive through Warminster town.
The bypass seems to be infested with impatient cretins of all ages in an imaginary hurry, who think that the passing of other cars is more important than the safety of other road users.

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rustybucket says...
1:20pm Thu 7 Feb 13

So I'm a do-gooder with egg on my face am I? Sorry, old 'arry, I'm a normal sane person who abhors people who spread gossip and make assumptions without knowing the full facts - just like you did on Tuesday and as you've also done plenty of times before. Maybe you should have left your comments until Wednesday!

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Mrs Donnyfly says...
3:55pm Thu 7 Feb 13

Is it the people you abhor, Rusty, or the gossip spreading and assumption making? To abhor a fellow human bean isn't very nice you know.

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yeold6x says...
1:02am Fri 8 Feb 13

WHen will Wiltshire County Council wake up and realise that the A36 Bypass should have never have been a partial three lane road? Why did they not build it as a dual carriageway. I have never used that road as it is badly thought out and encouarges idiots to take risks and cause collisions (not accidents).

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JoDope says...
8:07am Fri 8 Feb 13

This was nothing to do with the road layout, since the bypass was opened all (I think) but one of the fatal collisions have been on the two lane sections and most were caused by ill advised overtaking

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rustybucket says...
10:23am Fri 8 Feb 13

Sorry Mrs Donnyfly - I can't answer your question because I don't think I know any human beans - do they come in cans like baked ones??!!

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Dummer_Frauenfahrer says...
10:34am Fri 8 Feb 13

yeold6x wrote:
WHen will Wiltshire County Council wake up and realise that the A36 Bypass should have never have been a partial three lane road? Why did they not build it as a dual carriageway. I have never used that road as it is badly thought out and encouarges idiots to take risks and cause collisions (not accidents).
I am not going to comment about this particular case until all of the facts come out. But an analogy can be drawn with this section of the A36 (a road which is considered hazardous in many other places too) with the A303 Ilminster bypass which was also built originally as a 2-lane road but wide enough for later extension (as funds became available) to a dual carriageway. Several fatal RTCs took place there until the road markings were changed to clearly delineate the lanes and overtaking places. But a road can never be described as dangerous - how can it be when it is just an inanimate object? The RTCs are caused by drivers: some rise to the challenge presented by a hazardous road whilst others fail miserably.

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beetawix says...
12:07pm Fri 8 Feb 13

JoDope wrote:
This was nothing to do with the road layout, since the bypass was opened all (I think) but one of the fatal collisions have been on the two lane sections and most were caused by ill advised overtaking
Who is giving this ill advice?

There should be no overtaking at all. Even on the parts where an overtaking lane is provided, there are dimwits who think 'overtake or bust' and barely manage to get past before the lane runs out thereby narrowly avoiding their own or someone else's termination.

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beetawix says...
12:21pm Fri 8 Feb 13

quote/ But a road can never be described as dangerous - how can it be when it is just an inanimate object?

Nonsense. Dangerous describes anything able or likely to cause injury, inanimate eg ice, weapons, drugs or not eg tigers,

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Dummer_Frauenfahrer says...
1:32pm Fri 8 Feb 13

beetawix wrote:
quote/ But a road can never be described as dangerous - how can it be when it is just an inanimate object?

Nonsense. Dangerous describes anything able or likely to cause injury, inanimate eg ice, weapons, drugs or not eg tigers,
It's not nonsense at all. You fail to understand the difference between hazardous and dangerous. If there were no vehicles on that section of road at all then what danger would it present? It would, however, still be a hazard, just waiting for the minority of drivers who actually create the danger.

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toryexitpole says...
10:18pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Dummer_Frauenfahrer wrote:
yeold6x wrote:
WHen will Wiltshire County Council wake up and realise that the A36 Bypass should have never have been a partial three lane road? Why did they not build it as a dual carriageway. I have never used that road as it is badly thought out and encouarges idiots to take risks and cause collisions (not accidents).
I am not going to comment about this particular case until all of the facts come out. But an analogy can be drawn with this section of the A36 (a road which is considered hazardous in many other places too) with the A303 Ilminster bypass which was also built originally as a 2-lane road but wide enough for later extension (as funds became available) to a dual carriageway. Several fatal RTCs took place there until the road markings were changed to clearly delineate the lanes and overtaking places. But a road can never be described as dangerous - how can it be when it is just an inanimate object? The RTCs are caused by drivers: some rise to the challenge presented by a hazardous road whilst others fail miserably.
Your analogies and implied wisdom are the work of a beautiful mind. The way you drop acronyms so casually is masterful.

I bet you are really good at maths and crosswords.

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Luna45 says...
12:14am Sat 9 Feb 13

Oh for goodness sake a road can not be dangerous. !! Its the drivers that make it dangerous !! Fact is this guy was extremely reckless and overtook a number of vehicles . Lets hope he gets put away for a long time for it .

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Mrs Donnyfly says...
2:16am Sat 9 Feb 13

Dummer_Frauenfahrer commented... "I am not going to comment about this particular case..."

So why are you commenting then?

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beetawix says...
2:42am Sat 9 Feb 13

Luna45 wrote:
Oh for goodness sake a road can not be dangerous. !! Its the drivers that make it dangerous !! Fact is this guy was extremely reckless and overtook a number of vehicles . Lets hope he gets put away for a long time for it .
12:14am Sat 9 Feb 13

Oh for goodness sake a road can not be dangerous. !! Its the drivers that make it dangerous !!


make what dangerous?

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beetawix says...
10:13am Sat 9 Feb 13

quote1/. You fail to understand etc..... If there were no vehicles on that section of road at all then what danger would it present?
quote 2/.Oh for goodness sake a road can not be dangerous. !! Its the drivers that make it dangerous !!


I did not declare it absolutely but empty roads were not included in my thoughts.

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Katmando says...
12:01pm Sat 9 Feb 13

samba21 wrote:
I am sure he feels terrible though, it will have ruined his life too, RIP to the man who died
Both lost their lives, very sad for all their families and friends.

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old 'arry says...
1:34pm Sat 9 Feb 13

This arguement about "dangerous" versus "hazardous" is very Shakespearean: to quote the Bard, "It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing".

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beetawix says...
4:48pm Sat 9 Feb 13

'arry, no-one is arguing about that - only one correspondent mentioned that two word comparison. The same one who introduced the topic 'dangerous' at 10:34am Fri 8 Feb 13.

I know little Shakespeare and therefore am not aware of the context for the given quote so I hope he was not attributing his comments to all idiot taletellers. If he was then the bard is incorrect, tales told by idiots are just as likely to be quietly and peacefully presented.

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Mrs Donnyfly says...
5:36pm Sat 9 Feb 13

The hazardous v dangerous debate is more a matter of semantics and hardly something that evokes Macbeth's reaction to news of the death of his wife. If anything can be brought to mind by it then I would suggest Monty Python's argument sketch.

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jigsaw 5 says...
5:49pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Patience is the factor in the majority of accidents.

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Looby Loo says...
5:51pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Right then...........can we all now stop any further negativity towards each other on this blog.....a person has died, for whatever reason and I'm sure friends and families of those involved...those of the other driver too......are going through enough heartache without seeing the usual nitpicking of each others comments on here.

Lets respect....not insult each other please?

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toryexitpole says...
6:01pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Looby Loo wrote:
Right then...........can we all now stop any further negativity towards each other on this blog.....a person has died, for whatever reason and I'm sure friends and families of those involved...those of the other driver too......are going through enough heartache without seeing the usual nitpicking of each others comments on here.

Lets respect....not insult each other please?
....and link hands to sing Kumbaya.

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Luna45 says...
6:14pm Sat 9 Feb 13

I don't do Shakespeare or Macbeth.
I do however feel that some on here need to get a life. !! There is more to life you know. !!

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Mrs Donnyfly says...
7:12pm Sat 9 Feb 13

jigsaw 5 wrote:
Patience is the factor in the majority of accidents.
Or even the lack of it...

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Mrs Donnyfly says...
7:14pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Looby Loo wrote:
Right then...........can we all now stop any further negativity towards each other on this blog.....a person has died, for whatever reason and I'm sure friends and families of those involved...those of the other driver too......are going through enough heartache without seeing the usual nitpicking of each others comments on here.

Lets respect....not insult each other please?
Who voted you moderator?

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Mrs Donnyfly says...
7:34pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Luna45 wrote:
I don't do Shakespeare or Macbeth.
I do however feel that some on here need to get a life. !! There is more to life you know. !!
There is more to life, and we should all wear more hats.

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beetawix says...
1:39am Sun 10 Feb 13

Luna45 wrote:
I don't do Shakespeare or Macbeth.
I do however feel that some on here need to get a life. !! There is more to life you know. !!
yes they probably do know thanks. Dont know how slow your typing is but it usually takes just a few seconds. Today I made a nice sponge cake.

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notscot says...
11:21am Sun 10 Feb 13

Anyone seen the tigers? I can't find the tigers....

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Mrs Donnyfly says...
11:39am Sun 10 Feb 13

beetawix wrote:
Luna45 wrote:
I don't do Shakespeare or Macbeth.
I do however feel that some on here need to get a life. !! There is more to life you know. !!
yes they probably do know thanks. Dont know how slow your typing is but it usually takes just a few seconds. Today I made a nice sponge cake.
I made a sponge cake, but not today. I never quite know whether to serve sponge cake at afternoon tea or high tea, what would you recommend?

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Luna45 says...
11:54am Sun 10 Feb 13

Beetawix for goodness sake this is a thread for discussing what has happened. !
I have no interest in getting into any stupid conversation on here.
My guess is you are a regular on these forums and try very hard to get up people's noses. !! You have not succeeded with me I just think you are weird and extremely boring. Now please stop quoting me and have some respect for the poor man that has died.

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Luna45 says...
12:32pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Mrs Donnyfly please show some respect.
Think how the poor family of the man that died would feel if they were following this thread! You talk such utter nonsense and this really isn't the place for it .

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Mrs Donnyfly says...
1:36pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Luna45 wrote:
Mrs Donnyfly please show some respect.
Think how the poor family of the man that died would feel if they were following this thread! You talk such utter nonsense and this really isn't the place for it .
I think you might be confusing this forum with a book of condolence. I don't know how the bereaved family would feel if they were to read this thread, and neither do you,

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beetawix says...
6:08pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Luna45,
Perhaps some, but hopefully not all of my posts may seem odd to some. I have no intention of getting up anyone's nose, but despite your claim otherwise I have clearly got up yours for which I apologise.
Any respect I have for the unfortunate accident victim is a private matter and your instruction does not modify that.

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notscot says...
9:47pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Luna45 wrote:
Mrs Donnyfly please show some respect.
Think how the poor family of the man that died would feel if they were following this thread! You talk such utter nonsense and this really isn't the place for it .
Pack it in. The family won't be following this thread. You aren't the world moderator. Go away - read something/get involved in something else. That way you won't get upset that others don't adhere to your instructon.
Ever heard of free speech? It's applied at will. Not YOUR will - but at the will of anyone who wants to post.

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toryexitpole says...
4:18am Mon 11 Feb 13

Luna45 wrote:
Mrs Donnyfly please show some respect.
Think how the poor family of the man that died would feel if they were following this thread! You talk such utter nonsense and this really isn't the place for it .
If it were me the bit that would upset me would be your histrionic and incessant usage of the word 'died'.

Go and get a tattoo of Jill Dando you morbid grief chaser.

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Dummer_Frauenfahrer says...
11:00am Mon 11 Feb 13

toryexitpole wrote:
Dummer_Frauenfahrer wrote:
yeold6x wrote:
WHen will Wiltshire County Council wake up and realise that the A36 Bypass should have never have been a partial three lane road? Why did they not build it as a dual carriageway. I have never used that road as it is badly thought out and encouarges idiots to take risks and cause collisions (not accidents).
I am not going to comment about this particular case until all of the facts come out. But an analogy can be drawn with this section of the A36 (a road which is considered hazardous in many other places too) with the A303 Ilminster bypass which was also built originally as a 2-lane road but wide enough for later extension (as funds became available) to a dual carriageway. Several fatal RTCs took place there until the road markings were changed to clearly delineate the lanes and overtaking places. But a road can never be described as dangerous - how can it be when it is just an inanimate object? The RTCs are caused by drivers: some rise to the challenge presented by a hazardous road whilst others fail miserably.
Your analogies and implied wisdom are the work of a beautiful mind. The way you drop acronyms so casually is masterful.

I bet you are really good at maths and crosswords.
Thank you. And yes I am.

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Luna45 says...
1:34pm Mon 11 Feb 13

toryexitpole wrote:
Luna45 wrote: Mrs Donnyfly please show some respect. Think how the poor family of the man that died would feel if they were following this thread! You talk such utter nonsense and this really isn't the place for it .
If it were me the bit that would upset me would be your histrionic and incessant usage of the word 'died'. Go and get a tattoo of Jill Dando you morbid grief chaser.
Incessant usage. !! Just the twice.
What ever way you look at this a man has lost his life. No matter what word is used. Is this not what the thread is all about??

Morbid Grief Chaser!!! You have no idea who I am or anything about me and I find your comment very offensive.

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TRustell says...
2:09pm Mon 11 Feb 13

As IT WAS MY CHILDRENS Dad( Mike Rustell) that was killed on Monday , I would just like to say it was not his fault in any way he was a careful driver on his way to work he was a carer in the community . The 22 year old was over taking a lorry and didnt have a clear view of the road !! So no blame at all for Mike. His children are devastated !! So have some respect please .

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TRustell says...
2:14pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Katmando wrote:
samba21 wrote:
I am sure he feels terrible though, it will have ruined his life too, RIP to the man who died
Both lost their lives, very sad for all their families and friends.
I know for a FACT that both men involved haven't lost their lives, the young driver has walked away with minor injuries!

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TRustell says...
2:15pm Mon 11 Feb 13

notscot wrote:
Luna45 wrote:
Mrs Donnyfly please show some respect.
Think how the poor family of the man that died would feel if they were following this thread! You talk such utter nonsense and this really isn't the place for it .
Pack it in. The family won't be following this thread. You aren't the world moderator. Go away - read something/get involved in something else. That way you won't get upset that others don't adhere to your instructon.
Ever heard of free speech? It's applied at will. Not YOUR will - but at the will of anyone who wants to post.
We are family of the victim who died, so we are following your inconsiderate threads

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Luna45 says...
2:43pm Mon 11 Feb 13

I have never actually commented on any of these threads before and the only reason I did on this one is I knew for a fact that the accident was caused by the 22 year old being careless. My husband played a role in dealing with this as he was part of the Emergency Services who were called to this terrible incident. I am shocked and saddened at peoples comments on here and would definately refrain in participating again. I do realise that everyone has freedom of speech but the lack of respect has been appalling.

My sincere condolences go to you and your family TRustell.

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redrum says...
3:24pm Mon 11 Feb 13

What is the matter with people, a person has died his family devastated. Please let the experts do their job in sorting out how and why this happened, the truth always comes out. Luna, even if your husband helped here with his job it is not right for either of you to be saying what happened on this site for other people to hear, Cauldicott principles in these cases are important to us people who work in this sector and our patients. It is one thing for your husband to tell you about what he has had to deal with but for you to be saying who did what here is inappropiate. When the investigation is done the police will release what they want us to know.The only people who have a right to the ins and out of what happened here are the direct family and not us public. As you can gather from some of the comments, the reason why this information should not be placed on here for people to make hurtful comments when all that matters here at the moment is the poor loved ones left behind.

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uknz57 says...
3:29pm Mon 11 Feb 13

I would also defend anyone's right to 'free speech' but shouldn't it be tempered with with decency and respect?
I am also appalled at some of the flippant comments posted seemingly without a care or thought for who might read them.

Also, TRustell, my condolences to you and your family at this terrible time.

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notscot says...
4:00pm Mon 11 Feb 13

TRustell wrote:
notscot wrote:
Luna45 wrote: Mrs Donnyfly please show some respect. Think how the poor family of the man that died would feel if they were following this thread! You talk such utter nonsense and this really isn't the place for it .
Pack it in. The family won't be following this thread. You aren't the world moderator. Go away - read something/get involved in something else. That way you won't get upset that others don't adhere to your instructon. Ever heard of free speech? It's applied at will. Not YOUR will - but at the will of anyone who wants to post.
We are family of the victim who died, so we are following your inconsiderate threads
I doubt it very much. Had a few trolls claiming the same sort of things in the past. I believe the family would be involved in other things at this moment.

"so we are following your inconsiderate threads"
Really? I posted one comment - and I can't see what was inconsiderate about it.
I stand by it.

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Mrs Donnyfly says...
7:13pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Luna45 said... "I am shocked and saddened at peoples comments on here and would definately refrain in participating again. I do realise that everyone has freedom of speech but the lack of respect has been appalling."

Shocked eh? I'm surprised that you should feel such a strong emotion. You have harped on about lack of respect and yet there is no post on this thread that is directly disrespectful to the person who lost his life. Not everyone feels they have to react to events such as this with the RIPs and thoughts and prayers etc. platitudes. It doesn't mean they have any less sympathy for those involved than those who feel the need to let everyone know how thoughtful and caring they are.

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yeold6x says...
9:40pm Mon 11 Feb 13

For once Mrs. Donneyfly I whole heartedly agree with your post.

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