No major incidents in Swindon during sixth firefighters strike

NO MAJOR incidents occurred in Swindon as firefighters staged their second strike in two days, which lasted four hours last night.

Members of the Fire Brigades’ Union left their posts between 6pm and 10pm on Saturday night, making it their sixth round of industrial action in on ongoing disagreement with government over pensions.

While a thatched house was damaged during a blaze in Pewsey, it was a quiet night for Wiltshire Fire and Rescue Service elsewhere.

Area Manager Julian Parsons said: “The industrial action by members of the Fire Brigades’ Union had an impact on where the supporting appliances came from, but the initial attendance was close to what we would normally expect.

He added: “Although we had half of our available appliances committed to this fire for some time, we were able to maintain an emergency response for the rest of the county.”

Crews at ten of Wiltshire’s 24 fire stations were unavailable to respond to incidents during the strike, but the service had contingency plans in place to maintain cover across the county using on-call firefighters and alternative locations as appropriate.

As a result, there were 11 appliances available ‘on station’ and a further five ‘on call’.

As of 10pm, all striking crews returned to duty.

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11:35am Sun 15 Dec 13

RichardR1 says...

Perhaps they ought to be careful, with no incidents it could be said that they were perhaps not such a vital service. No public sector emergency service should have the right to strike.
Perhaps they ought to be careful, with no incidents it could be said that they were perhaps not such a vital service. No public sector emergency service should have the right to strike. RichardR1

11:37am Sun 15 Dec 13

trolley dolley says...

NO MAJOR accidents occurred in Swindon as firefighters staged their second strike in two days, which lasted four hours last night.

How long will it be before these people have a death or serious injury caused by their strike actions and greed on their conscience. It will happen sooner or later when our luck runs out.

Stop these strikes now and start acting like professionals.
NO MAJOR accidents occurred in Swindon as firefighters staged their second strike in two days, which lasted four hours last night. How long will it be before these people have a death or serious injury caused by their strike actions and greed on their conscience. It will happen sooner or later when our luck runs out. Stop these strikes now and start acting like professionals. trolley dolley

1:58pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Mango man says...

Firefighters are making themselves look stupid. All they are doing is publicising how little they are called out during an average day, they're hardly rushed if their feet like the ambulance and police! Time to get real, be thankful that you've got a secure job and pension and get back to what you're paid to do!
Firefighters are making themselves look stupid. All they are doing is publicising how little they are called out during an average day, they're hardly rushed if their feet like the ambulance and police! Time to get real, be thankful that you've got a secure job and pension and get back to what you're paid to do! Mango man

3:21pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Davey Gravey says...

RichardR1 wrote:
Perhaps they ought to be careful, with no incidents it could be said that they were perhaps not such a vital service. No public sector emergency service should have the right to strike.
Only a fool would say the fire service is not a vital one. Of course it is vital and they do a great job.

When they are being shafted and talks have not worked what else can they do apart from striking?
[quote][p][bold]RichardR1[/bold] wrote: Perhaps they ought to be careful, with no incidents it could be said that they were perhaps not such a vital service. No public sector emergency service should have the right to strike.[/p][/quote]Only a fool would say the fire service is not a vital one. Of course it is vital and they do a great job. When they are being shafted and talks have not worked what else can they do apart from striking? Davey Gravey

4:28pm Sun 15 Dec 13

house on the hill says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
RichardR1 wrote:
Perhaps they ought to be careful, with no incidents it could be said that they were perhaps not such a vital service. No public sector emergency service should have the right to strike.
Only a fool would say the fire service is not a vital one. Of course it is vital and they do a great job.

When they are being shafted and talks have not worked what else can they do apart from striking?
I guess it depends on your definition of shafted. For many they have gone through contract and pension changes already, why is it they think they are any different to the rest of us. The world changes and we have to change with it whether we agree with it or not.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RichardR1[/bold] wrote: Perhaps they ought to be careful, with no incidents it could be said that they were perhaps not such a vital service. No public sector emergency service should have the right to strike.[/p][/quote]Only a fool would say the fire service is not a vital one. Of course it is vital and they do a great job. When they are being shafted and talks have not worked what else can they do apart from striking?[/p][/quote]I guess it depends on your definition of shafted. For many they have gone through contract and pension changes already, why is it they think they are any different to the rest of us. The world changes and we have to change with it whether we agree with it or not. house on the hill

4:46pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Blind Fury says...

Go and look at the FBU website and look at the REAL reasons for the industrial action, you media spun muppets!!

I supposed you'd all be happy to be forced to work well beyond your stated retirement age, without any protection against being SACKED, with NO PENSION, if you were unable to meet the fitness criteria?

No, didn't think so......think on and support your nations finest against this atrocity!!
Go and look at the FBU website and look at the REAL reasons for the industrial action, you media spun muppets!! I supposed you'd all be happy to be forced to work well beyond your stated retirement age, without any protection against being SACKED, with NO PENSION, if you were unable to meet the fitness criteria? No, didn't think so......think on and support your nations finest against this atrocity!! Blind Fury

5:08pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Hmmmf says...

My pension age has been increased, so I'm forced to work beyond my previous stated retirement age, I have no protection against being SACKED, and have no gold-plated PENSION, because I'm in the private sector.

Back to your bunks or playing pool, you Union spun muppets. And FYI, The nation's finest are the police, who not only accepted reforms to their pay and conditions, but refused to allow the Police Federation to seek the right to take industrial action. They at least understand what public service means.
My pension age has been increased, so I'm forced to work beyond my previous stated retirement age, I have no protection against being SACKED, and have no gold-plated PENSION, because I'm in the private sector. Back to your bunks or playing pool, you Union spun muppets. And FYI, The nation's finest are the police, who not only accepted reforms to their pay and conditions, but refused to allow the Police Federation to seek the right to take industrial action. They at least understand what public service means. Hmmmf

5:14pm Sun 15 Dec 13

house on the hill says...

Hmmmf wrote:
My pension age has been increased, so I'm forced to work beyond my previous stated retirement age, I have no protection against being SACKED, and have no gold-plated PENSION, because I'm in the private sector.

Back to your bunks or playing pool, you Union spun muppets. And FYI, The nation's finest are the police, who not only accepted reforms to their pay and conditions, but refused to allow the Police Federation to seek the right to take industrial action. They at least understand what public service means.
Ditto and agree with your sentiments totally
[quote][p][bold]Hmmmf[/bold] wrote: My pension age has been increased, so I'm forced to work beyond my previous stated retirement age, I have no protection against being SACKED, and have no gold-plated PENSION, because I'm in the private sector. Back to your bunks or playing pool, you Union spun muppets. And FYI, The nation's finest are the police, who not only accepted reforms to their pay and conditions, but refused to allow the Police Federation to seek the right to take industrial action. They at least understand what public service means.[/p][/quote]Ditto and agree with your sentiments totally house on the hill

5:17pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Mango man says...

Blind Fury wrote:
Go and look at the FBU website and look at the REAL reasons for the industrial action, you media spun muppets!!

I supposed you'd all be happy to be forced to work well beyond your stated retirement age, without any protection against being SACKED, with NO PENSION, if you were unable to meet the fitness criteria?

No, didn't think so......think on and support your nations finest against this atrocity!!
I think you'll find the police are in the same boat, and although not exactly ecstatic about having to work for longer than originally anticipated, they get on with it. Firefighters are the least used of the emergency services yet are the biggest whingers when they have to fall in line with what the rest of the country are having to do! Isn't it in the fire service where a large majority have second jobs due to the 'friendly' shifts they work where the majority of night shifts are spent sleeping?!
[quote][p][bold]Blind Fury[/bold] wrote: Go and look at the FBU website and look at the REAL reasons for the industrial action, you media spun muppets!! I supposed you'd all be happy to be forced to work well beyond your stated retirement age, without any protection against being SACKED, with NO PENSION, if you were unable to meet the fitness criteria? No, didn't think so......think on and support your nations finest against this atrocity!![/p][/quote]I think you'll find the police are in the same boat, and although not exactly ecstatic about having to work for longer than originally anticipated, they get on with it. Firefighters are the least used of the emergency services yet are the biggest whingers when they have to fall in line with what the rest of the country are having to do! Isn't it in the fire service where a large majority have second jobs due to the 'friendly' shifts they work where the majority of night shifts are spent sleeping?! Mango man

9:20pm Sun 15 Dec 13

trolley dolley says...

To call firefighters the countries finest is really pushing the idea a bit too far.

Blind fury, yes they face danger sometimes when they attend a fire but try to understand that our armed forces face danger every minute of the day but you never hear them winging on.

They are the true heroes in this country not the winging firefighters.
To call firefighters the countries finest is really pushing the idea a bit too far. Blind fury, yes they face danger sometimes when they attend a fire but try to understand that our armed forces face danger every minute of the day but you never hear them winging on. They are the true heroes in this country not the winging firefighters. trolley dolley

9:44pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Blind Fury says...

trolley dolley wrote:
To call firefighters the countries finest is really pushing the idea a bit too far.

Blind fury, yes they face danger sometimes when they attend a fire but try to understand that our armed forces face danger every minute of the day but you never hear them winging on.

They are the true heroes in this country not the winging firefighters.
Sorry, I won't rise to idiots in the governments pockets...nuff said.
[quote][p][bold]trolley dolley[/bold] wrote: To call firefighters the countries finest is really pushing the idea a bit too far. Blind fury, yes they face danger sometimes when they attend a fire but try to understand that our armed forces face danger every minute of the day but you never hear them winging on. They are the true heroes in this country not the winging firefighters.[/p][/quote]Sorry, I won't rise to idiots in the governments pockets...nuff said. Blind Fury

10:58pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Phantom Poster says...

Blind Fury wrote:
trolley dolley wrote:
To call firefighters the countries finest is really pushing the idea a bit too far.

Blind fury, yes they face danger sometimes when they attend a fire but try to understand that our armed forces face danger every minute of the day but you never hear them winging on.

They are the true heroes in this country not the winging firefighters.
Sorry, I won't rise to idiots in the governments pockets...nuff said.
What on earth are you talking about? Anyone who disagrees with you are in the governments pockets are they? How does that work? I don't recall the government giving me any money. In fact, I can only think of the government taking money from me in tax so that I can support the gold plated pensions which public sector employees get.

If you want to label people idiots take a look at the comments from "Fireman Sam" on another thread here - did you know that firemen's homes can't go on fire?

The only need to use the expression "niff said" is when you have run out of logical arguments for your point of view.
[quote][p][bold]Blind Fury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]trolley dolley[/bold] wrote: To call firefighters the countries finest is really pushing the idea a bit too far. Blind fury, yes they face danger sometimes when they attend a fire but try to understand that our armed forces face danger every minute of the day but you never hear them winging on. They are the true heroes in this country not the winging firefighters.[/p][/quote]Sorry, I won't rise to idiots in the governments pockets...nuff said.[/p][/quote]What on earth are you talking about? Anyone who disagrees with you are in the governments pockets are they? How does that work? I don't recall the government giving me any money. In fact, I can only think of the government taking money from me in tax so that I can support the gold plated pensions which public sector employees get. If you want to label people idiots take a look at the comments from "Fireman Sam" on another thread here - did you know that firemen's homes can't go on fire? The only need to use the expression "niff said" is when you have run out of logical arguments for your point of view. Phantom Poster

11:24pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Tyran66 says...

@ Blind fury. That's called the "private sector". You know that place you have to stand on your own two feet?
@ Blind fury. That's called the "private sector". You know that place you have to stand on your own two feet? Tyran66

7:50am Mon 16 Dec 13

swindondad says...

Blind Fury wrote:
Go and look at the FBU website and look at the REAL reasons for the industrial action, you media spun muppets!! I supposed you'd all be happy to be forced to work well beyond your stated retirement age, without any protection against being SACKED, with NO PENSION, if you were unable to meet the fitness criteria? No, didn't think so......think on and support your nations finest against this atrocity!!
The FBU website gives "one side" of the argument, you may choose to blindly believe them but do not try and kid us that they are somehow hosting an open or unbiased reflection on the situation.
[quote][p][bold]Blind Fury[/bold] wrote: Go and look at the FBU website and look at the REAL reasons for the industrial action, you media spun muppets!! I supposed you'd all be happy to be forced to work well beyond your stated retirement age, without any protection against being SACKED, with NO PENSION, if you were unable to meet the fitness criteria? No, didn't think so......think on and support your nations finest against this atrocity!![/p][/quote]The FBU website gives "one side" of the argument, you may choose to blindly believe them but do not try and kid us that they are somehow hosting an open or unbiased reflection on the situation. swindondad

8:30am Mon 16 Dec 13

house on the hill says...

Blind Fury wrote:
Go and look at the FBU website and look at the REAL reasons for the industrial action, you media spun muppets!!

I supposed you'd all be happy to be forced to work well beyond your stated retirement age, without any protection against being SACKED, with NO PENSION, if you were unable to meet the fitness criteria?

No, didn't think so......think on and support your nations finest against this atrocity!!
There are millions of us out there who had this happen, I for one should be retiring at 60 on a lovely final salary pension based on the contract i signed when i started work, but after the recession of the early 90's that all changed and it will be closer to 70 before I am able to retire. I get really fed up with public sector workers thinking they are hard done by. Even after these changes you will have one of the safest jobs around with some of the best terms and conditions so stop flipping moaning and come and join the real world like the rest of us!
[quote][p][bold]Blind Fury[/bold] wrote: Go and look at the FBU website and look at the REAL reasons for the industrial action, you media spun muppets!! I supposed you'd all be happy to be forced to work well beyond your stated retirement age, without any protection against being SACKED, with NO PENSION, if you were unable to meet the fitness criteria? No, didn't think so......think on and support your nations finest against this atrocity!![/p][/quote]There are millions of us out there who had this happen, I for one should be retiring at 60 on a lovely final salary pension based on the contract i signed when i started work, but after the recession of the early 90's that all changed and it will be closer to 70 before I am able to retire. I get really fed up with public sector workers thinking they are hard done by. Even after these changes you will have one of the safest jobs around with some of the best terms and conditions so stop flipping moaning and come and join the real world like the rest of us! house on the hill

8:47am Mon 16 Dec 13

RichardR1 says...

It seems the FBU are not above spin when it suits them. This article about a fire death, is according to them because of the strike the Management say not. Perverse logic to blame your own strikers.
http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-england-lon
don-25389257
It seems the FBU are not above spin when it suits them. This article about a fire death, is according to them because of the strike the Management say not. Perverse logic to blame your own strikers. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-england-lon don-25389257 RichardR1

10:00pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Blind Fury says...

house on the hill wrote:
Blind Fury wrote:
Go and look at the FBU website and look at the REAL reasons for the industrial action, you media spun muppets!!

I supposed you'd all be happy to be forced to work well beyond your stated retirement age, without any protection against being SACKED, with NO PENSION, if you were unable to meet the fitness criteria?

No, didn't think so......think on and support your nations finest against this atrocity!!
There are millions of us out there who had this happen, I for one should be retiring at 60 on a lovely final salary pension based on the contract i signed when i started work, but after the recession of the early 90's that all changed and it will be closer to 70 before I am able to retire. I get really fed up with public sector workers thinking they are hard done by. Even after these changes you will have one of the safest jobs around with some of the best terms and conditions so stop flipping moaning and come and join the real world like the rest of us!
Your REAL world doesn't exactly compare. I'm sure you're not going to be sacked without pension, for not being fit enough to do your job....that is the argument....PROTECTI
ON!

Hands up who thinks it is right that firefighters should be sacked without pension, for not attaining the fitness levels of a 20yr old? And who also thinks it's safe for a firefighter AND the general public for said 60yr old to be forced to work a physically demanding job, after more than 30-40yrs of service?

Don't mock and slate your fire service....what would you rather have to keep you safe?
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blind Fury[/bold] wrote: Go and look at the FBU website and look at the REAL reasons for the industrial action, you media spun muppets!! I supposed you'd all be happy to be forced to work well beyond your stated retirement age, without any protection against being SACKED, with NO PENSION, if you were unable to meet the fitness criteria? No, didn't think so......think on and support your nations finest against this atrocity!![/p][/quote]There are millions of us out there who had this happen, I for one should be retiring at 60 on a lovely final salary pension based on the contract i signed when i started work, but after the recession of the early 90's that all changed and it will be closer to 70 before I am able to retire. I get really fed up with public sector workers thinking they are hard done by. Even after these changes you will have one of the safest jobs around with some of the best terms and conditions so stop flipping moaning and come and join the real world like the rest of us![/p][/quote]Your REAL world doesn't exactly compare. I'm sure you're not going to be sacked without pension, for not being fit enough to do your job....that is the argument....PROTECTI ON! Hands up who thinks it is right that firefighters should be sacked without pension, for not attaining the fitness levels of a 20yr old? And who also thinks it's safe for a firefighter AND the general public for said 60yr old to be forced to work a physically demanding job, after more than 30-40yrs of service? Don't mock and slate your fire service....what would you rather have to keep you safe? Blind Fury

11:47pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Tyran66 says...

@ Blind Fury

Utter nonsense. What exactly are the "fitness levels of a 20 year old" - its not specific or scientific, its union spin and tripe.

To be precise, you have to be able to climb a 13.5m ladder in full gear, lift a 55kg casualty around a 30m course, deadlift 20kg to 75cm and pick up and carry approx. 30kg of hoses / misc. gear selection for 100m at a time.

Its not exactly the SAS! In fact most the majority of the male population under the age of 50 would not even have to train to attain the level of fitness required. Their are plenty of chippies / builders in Swindon alone, over the age of 60 that physically exert themselves more than this on daily basis.

Can your nonsensical tripe. Without doubt fire fighters perform an essentially service and respected service BUT the majority of this time is on standby. Surely 3 x 40 min sessions in the gym is not to much to ask in return for complete job security and a gold plated pension?

If it is, they can always leave the service - unfortunately for the FBU (but thank God for the rest of us who actually pay for the service) the Tories have always had the unions agenda in hand and have historically mopped the floor with them. I strongly suspect after the FBU have thrown all their towns out of the prams they will be systematically and publically spanked "a la grangemouth"- I for one cannot wait.
@ Blind Fury Utter nonsense. What exactly are the "fitness levels of a 20 year old" - its not specific or scientific, its union spin and tripe. To be precise, you have to be able to climb a 13.5m ladder in full gear, lift a 55kg casualty around a 30m course, deadlift 20kg to 75cm and pick up and carry approx. 30kg of hoses / misc. gear selection for 100m at a time. Its not exactly the SAS! In fact most the majority of the male population under the age of 50 would not even have to train to attain the level of fitness required. Their are plenty of chippies / builders in Swindon alone, over the age of 60 that physically exert themselves more than this on daily basis. Can your nonsensical tripe. Without doubt fire fighters perform an essentially service and respected service BUT the majority of this time is on standby. Surely 3 x 40 min sessions in the gym is not to much to ask in return for complete job security and a gold plated pension? If it is, they can always leave the service - unfortunately for the FBU (but thank God for the rest of us who actually pay for the service) the Tories have always had the unions agenda in hand and have historically mopped the floor with them. I strongly suspect after the FBU have thrown all their towns out of the prams they will be systematically and publically spanked "a la grangemouth"- I for one cannot wait. Tyran66

10:01am Tue 17 Dec 13

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

Blind Fury wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
Blind Fury wrote:
Go and look at the FBU website and look at the REAL reasons for the industrial action, you media spun muppets!!

I supposed you'd all be happy to be forced to work well beyond your stated retirement age, without any protection against being SACKED, with NO PENSION, if you were unable to meet the fitness criteria?

No, didn't think so......think on and support your nations finest against this atrocity!!
There are millions of us out there who had this happen, I for one should be retiring at 60 on a lovely final salary pension based on the contract i signed when i started work, but after the recession of the early 90's that all changed and it will be closer to 70 before I am able to retire. I get really fed up with public sector workers thinking they are hard done by. Even after these changes you will have one of the safest jobs around with some of the best terms and conditions so stop flipping moaning and come and join the real world like the rest of us!
Your REAL world doesn't exactly compare. I'm sure you're not going to be sacked without pension, for not being fit enough to do your job....that is the argument....PROTECTI

ON!

Hands up who thinks it is right that firefighters should be sacked without pension, for not attaining the fitness levels of a 20yr old? And who also thinks it's safe for a firefighter AND the general public for said 60yr old to be forced to work a physically demanding job, after more than 30-40yrs of service?

Don't mock and slate your fire service....what would you rather have to keep you safe?
I am not mocking and slating the fire service, I think they do a fantastic job... That doesn't mean they shouldn't be immune to the changes affecting us all as we live longer with better health than ever before. Age is just a number, physical fitness however is something that is highly variable. For one, I'm happy to admit that I am far fitter some decades later than I ever was at 20!. If physical fitness is a requirement of your job it is your duty to ensure you keep fit.

There's plenty of professions where you can be given the sack for not being fit enough to do the job. Builders, window cleaners, landscape gardeners, freight handlers, loggers, oil rig workers, fishermen to name just a few. The difference is these are all professions where the government wants them to work until at least 68 before claiming a pension that will be far less generous than the one you will be receiving. .
[quote][p][bold]Blind Fury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blind Fury[/bold] wrote: Go and look at the FBU website and look at the REAL reasons for the industrial action, you media spun muppets!! I supposed you'd all be happy to be forced to work well beyond your stated retirement age, without any protection against being SACKED, with NO PENSION, if you were unable to meet the fitness criteria? No, didn't think so......think on and support your nations finest against this atrocity!![/p][/quote]There are millions of us out there who had this happen, I for one should be retiring at 60 on a lovely final salary pension based on the contract i signed when i started work, but after the recession of the early 90's that all changed and it will be closer to 70 before I am able to retire. I get really fed up with public sector workers thinking they are hard done by. Even after these changes you will have one of the safest jobs around with some of the best terms and conditions so stop flipping moaning and come and join the real world like the rest of us![/p][/quote]Your REAL world doesn't exactly compare. I'm sure you're not going to be sacked without pension, for not being fit enough to do your job....that is the argument....PROTECTI ON! Hands up who thinks it is right that firefighters should be sacked without pension, for not attaining the fitness levels of a 20yr old? And who also thinks it's safe for a firefighter AND the general public for said 60yr old to be forced to work a physically demanding job, after more than 30-40yrs of service? Don't mock and slate your fire service....what would you rather have to keep you safe?[/p][/quote]I am not mocking and slating the fire service, I think they do a fantastic job... That doesn't mean they shouldn't be immune to the changes affecting us all as we live longer with better health than ever before. Age is just a number, physical fitness however is something that is highly variable. For one, I'm happy to admit that I am far fitter some decades later than I ever was at 20!. If physical fitness is a requirement of your job it is your duty to ensure you keep fit. There's plenty of professions where you can be given the sack for not being fit enough to do the job. Builders, window cleaners, landscape gardeners, freight handlers, loggers, oil rig workers, fishermen to name just a few. The difference is these are all professions where the government wants them to work until at least 68 before claiming a pension that will be far less generous than the one you will be receiving. . The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man

11:33am Tue 17 Dec 13

trolley dolley says...

Blind Fury, people still respect fire-fighters but if you carry on with your constant whingeing about how unfair life is for you this respect will disappear.

If it is a requirement that you keep fit, then so be it. KEEP FIT.

If you cannot do the job because you are not capable, what do you expect. A free ride.
Life is a little bit more complicated than that, we all have to be prepared for what life throws at us.

It would be better if your union talked a bit of sense into all of you and then got on with sorting out the problem professionally.
Blind Fury, people still respect fire-fighters but if you carry on with your constant whingeing about how unfair life is for you this respect will disappear. If it is a requirement that you keep fit, then so be it. KEEP FIT. If you cannot do the job because you are not capable, what do you expect. A free ride. Life is a little bit more complicated than that, we all have to be prepared for what life throws at us. It would be better if your union talked a bit of sense into all of you and then got on with sorting out the problem professionally. trolley dolley

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