£40 green waste fee given the go-ahead

This Is Wiltshire: Waste and recycling supervisor Paul Warren and Richard Hurley, the Cabinet member for housing and public protection at the Waterside Recycling Centre in Cheney Manor Waste and recycling supervisor Paul Warren and Richard Hurley, the Cabinet member for housing and public protection at the Waterside Recycling Centre in Cheney Manor

A SPECIAL meeting for council bosses to reconsider changes to the borough’s green waste concluded with the same resolutions as before, with a new £40 fee being brought in for the service.

On December 11 the Swindon Council cabinet voted to pass plans which will see residents paying £40 a year from April to have green waste collected.

In addition residents’ recyclable waste will be be collected fortnightly rather than weekly from February.

At the council’s scrutiny committee on December 16, councillors agreed to refer changes in the waste collection service back to cabinet for further consideration after concerns were raised that a report drawn to enlighten members about the changes did not include enough financial information.

A revised report was presented to cabinet on Thursday evening with precise facts about the costing for the scheme. This included 11,620 green wheeled bins being bought for £261,000 and the additional sum of £147,000 being factored into the proposals to account for additional waste disposal costs in the event that there is an increase in residual waste.

If about 15 per cent of the population opt into the green waste fee then the authority will make savings of £576,000. But if 20 per cent of people decide they want their green waste being collected then the council would claw back up to £720,000 for the public purse.

Coun Richard Hurley, the cabinet member for public protection, housing and streetsmart said he was pleased a line can now be drawn under the debates and action can begin.

“Everything was highlighted that scrutiny wanted highlighted,” said Coun Hurley, who represents Covingham and Dorcan. “A lot of people were asking questions which were in the original report anyway. “The officers went away and did a lot of hard work to make sure the report went through and all credit to them.

“I think it was felt there wasn’t enough information in the original report but it was all there, it just needed a bit of reforming.”

He said leaflets about the new service would be sent out over the next few weeks.

About 6,000 people took part in the council’s consultation – a record number. “We did listen to people, our original plan was for a £70 charge which we have dropped to £40,” said Coun Hurley.

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7:37am Sat 4 Jan 14

bampi says...

So was the cost of collection of green waste incorporated in our council tax previously (surely it must have been; you don't get something for nothing!), and has it now been removed from our bills? If so, presumably the higher the tax band you are in the more the reduction will be, as you are in a higher band presumably because you generate more waste? Is it possible for these reductions to be highlighted in the forthcoming leaflets mentioned in the article?

The reductions should be scaled according to band, otherwise all bands would be equal in value, wouldn't they?

If there is no reduction it is just another way of increasing council tax through the back door. We already paid for 4 green sacks to be collected, now they will collect one bin; if anything a saving will occur, so I do not understand why there should be an additional £40 cost. I can understand paying for the supply of a green wheelie bin.

Segregating the cost of green waste collection from the council tax is a great idea; only why not do this for all the various items that the tax is made up of, and only charge us if we use them?
So was the cost of collection of green waste incorporated in our council tax previously (surely it must have been; you don't get something for nothing!), and has it now been removed from our bills? If so, presumably the higher the tax band you are in the more the reduction will be, as you are in a higher band presumably because you generate more waste? Is it possible for these reductions to be highlighted in the forthcoming leaflets mentioned in the article? The reductions should be scaled according to band, otherwise all bands would be equal in value, wouldn't they? If there is no reduction it is just another way of increasing council tax through the back door. We already paid for 4 green sacks to be collected, now they will collect one bin; if anything a saving will occur, so I do not understand why there should be an additional £40 cost. I can understand paying for the supply of a green wheelie bin. Segregating the cost of green waste collection from the council tax is a great idea; only why not do this for all the various items that the tax is made up of, and only charge us if we use them? bampi
  • Score: 34

8:23am Sat 4 Jan 14

Chowmai says...

I will be interested to see how this develops, how will householders that have paid for green waste removal stop those who haven't from just dumping green bags along side theirs on the pavement.
On a 'point of order' I regularly collect 2-4 bags of leaves from the trees outside of my property on council owned verges. Will I have to pay to have these removed or will there be dispensation for this?
I will be interested to see how this develops, how will householders that have paid for green waste removal stop those who haven't from just dumping green bags along side theirs on the pavement. On a 'point of order' I regularly collect 2-4 bags of leaves from the trees outside of my property on council owned verges. Will I have to pay to have these removed or will there be dispensation for this? Chowmai
  • Score: 26

8:33am Sat 4 Jan 14

Localboy86 says...

Can someone post a list of the people responsible for this decision so I can make sure I never ever vote for them again
Can someone post a list of the people responsible for this decision so I can make sure I never ever vote for them again Localboy86
  • Score: 43

8:34am Sat 4 Jan 14

silvergran says...

We managed perfectly well before the Council started collecting green waste and will do so again. Something that hasn't been mentioned, is the fact that once all the green waste is composted, I believe it's sold back as soil improvers etc, so they are making money out of our waste at the other end of the process.
We managed perfectly well before the Council started collecting green waste and will do so again. Something that hasn't been mentioned, is the fact that once all the green waste is composted, I believe it's sold back as soil improvers etc, so they are making money out of our waste at the other end of the process. silvergran
  • Score: 5

9:22am Sat 4 Jan 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

bampi wrote:
So was the cost of collection of green waste incorporated in our council tax previously (surely it must have been; you don't get something for nothing!), and has it now been removed from our bills? If so, presumably the higher the tax band you are in the more the reduction will be, as you are in a higher band presumably because you generate more waste? Is it possible for these reductions to be highlighted in the forthcoming leaflets mentioned in the article?

The reductions should be scaled according to band, otherwise all bands would be equal in value, wouldn't they?

If there is no reduction it is just another way of increasing council tax through the back door. We already paid for 4 green sacks to be collected, now they will collect one bin; if anything a saving will occur, so I do not understand why there should be an additional £40 cost. I can understand paying for the supply of a green wheelie bin.

Segregating the cost of green waste collection from the council tax is a great idea; only why not do this for all the various items that the tax is made up of, and only charge us if we use them?
@Bampi

There will be no reduction, it is a way of increasing tax revenues.

@Chowmai

I think there will be quite a few households putting the green waste in their wheelie bin for general waste.

@SilverGran

Why do you think they brought green waste collection in in the first place if the town was coping perfectly well? Have you ever used the compost sold by them? I bought a bag once, never again; overpriced and poor quality.
[quote][p][bold]bampi[/bold] wrote: So was the cost of collection of green waste incorporated in our council tax previously (surely it must have been; you don't get something for nothing!), and has it now been removed from our bills? If so, presumably the higher the tax band you are in the more the reduction will be, as you are in a higher band presumably because you generate more waste? Is it possible for these reductions to be highlighted in the forthcoming leaflets mentioned in the article? The reductions should be scaled according to band, otherwise all bands would be equal in value, wouldn't they? If there is no reduction it is just another way of increasing council tax through the back door. We already paid for 4 green sacks to be collected, now they will collect one bin; if anything a saving will occur, so I do not understand why there should be an additional £40 cost. I can understand paying for the supply of a green wheelie bin. Segregating the cost of green waste collection from the council tax is a great idea; only why not do this for all the various items that the tax is made up of, and only charge us if we use them?[/p][/quote]@Bampi There will be no reduction, it is a way of increasing tax revenues. @Chowmai I think there will be quite a few households putting the green waste in their wheelie bin for general waste. @SilverGran Why do you think they brought green waste collection in in the first place if the town was coping perfectly well? Have you ever used the compost sold by them? I bought a bag once, never again; overpriced and poor quality. LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: 9

9:55am Sat 4 Jan 14

Davey Gravey says...

I won't pay the money and will find other ways to dispose of my green waste. Legally of course. I'm sure others will just dump it or as mentioned above throw it in their bins.
The reduction is recycling collections is a bigger concern as at least grteen waste decomposes. Cans and bottles do not, and i expect to see more of that littering our streets or being sent to landfill.
Bad move by SBC.
I won't pay the money and will find other ways to dispose of my green waste. Legally of course. I'm sure others will just dump it or as mentioned above throw it in their bins. The reduction is recycling collections is a bigger concern as at least grteen waste decomposes. Cans and bottles do not, and i expect to see more of that littering our streets or being sent to landfill. Bad move by SBC. Davey Gravey
  • Score: 22

9:58am Sat 4 Jan 14

spencer76 says...

People won’t pay the charge - this will backfire on the council as it will cost them more to clear up fly-tipping as people will just dump the green waste in the back alleys, other green spaces or country lanes. If people have any sense they will put grass cuttings and other green waste in refuse bags and pop them in the wheelie bins.
People won’t pay the charge - this will backfire on the council as it will cost them more to clear up fly-tipping as people will just dump the green waste in the back alleys, other green spaces or country lanes. If people have any sense they will put grass cuttings and other green waste in refuse bags and pop them in the wheelie bins. spencer76
  • Score: 32

10:05am Sat 4 Jan 14

Always Grumpy says...

I'm mindful to spread all of my grass clippings over the pavement, much in the same way the council covers the paths when they cut the verges.
Failing that, I'll put the garden waste in the black bin, as I have no intention of giving even more money to this useless council.
I'm mindful to spread all of my grass clippings over the pavement, much in the same way the council covers the paths when they cut the verges. Failing that, I'll put the garden waste in the black bin, as I have no intention of giving even more money to this useless council. Always Grumpy
  • Score: 37

10:09am Sat 4 Jan 14

Morsey says...

Grudgingly, I will pay the charge as it is an admission that the Tory vote catching policy of zero Council Tax increases does NOT work. We have to pay for services, in this case paying twice over, but for me there is no easy way as I have not concreted over my land for extra cars to park and I have lots of greenery .
Composting attracts our little friends the rats ... if you ain't had the experience, your time will come as the council do not feel they are a problem any more than blocked drains and dog mess everywhere!
Grudgingly, I will pay the charge as it is an admission that the Tory vote catching policy of zero Council Tax increases does NOT work. We have to pay for services, in this case paying twice over, but for me there is no easy way as I have not concreted over my land for extra cars to park and I have lots of greenery . Composting attracts our little friends the rats ... if you ain't had the experience, your time will come as the council do not feel they are a problem any more than blocked drains and dog mess everywhere! Morsey
  • Score: -6

11:10am Sat 4 Jan 14

beach1e says...

Its amazing isn't it that yet again this council don't listen to the people, you can tell that purely by the replies on here, I also wont be paying the extra tax for the council to do their job,more of what could be recycled will now go in the general rubbish bin ,no doubt those that don't pay their council tax will get the garden refuse tax paid for them by my taxes so yet another way to attack decent hard working people, they are the ones that always pay the price.
Its amazing isn't it that yet again this council don't listen to the people, you can tell that purely by the replies on here, I also wont be paying the extra tax for the council to do their job,more of what could be recycled will now go in the general rubbish bin ,no doubt those that don't pay their council tax will get the garden refuse tax paid for them by my taxes so yet another way to attack decent hard working people, they are the ones that always pay the price. beach1e
  • Score: 25

11:23am Sat 4 Jan 14

fuzzey says...

I would much rather pay for green sack collection on grass verge than for green wheelie bin collection .there will be too many bins on the street's on the same day .older people find it hard having to fetch bins back in often in bad weather .once out the bags on the verge are no problem .for this reason will not be paying the charge .
I would much rather pay for green sack collection on grass verge than for green wheelie bin collection .there will be too many bins on the street's on the same day .older people find it hard having to fetch bins back in often in bad weather .once out the bags on the verge are no problem .for this reason will not be paying the charge . fuzzey
  • Score: 12

11:32am Sat 4 Jan 14

Davey Gravey says...

I knew nothing of the public consultation and would have liked to have had my say. Was this available to everyone and do i only have myself to blame for this?
I'm sure the huge majority would have opposed this anyway.

Are the results of who actually voted this through available to the public?
I knew nothing of the public consultation and would have liked to have had my say. Was this available to everyone and do i only have myself to blame for this? I'm sure the huge majority would have opposed this anyway. Are the results of who actually voted this through available to the public? Davey Gravey
  • Score: 7

12:45pm Sat 4 Jan 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
I knew nothing of the public consultation and would have liked to have had my say. Was this available to everyone and do i only have myself to blame for this?
I'm sure the huge majority would have opposed this anyway.

Are the results of who actually voted this through available to the public?
The consultation was available online. We had a leaflet about it which I think was pushed through the door.

The consultation though had no methods for checking people who filled it in were genuine so if a particular individual or group had an agenda, they could easily bump the results a certain way.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: I knew nothing of the public consultation and would have liked to have had my say. Was this available to everyone and do i only have myself to blame for this? I'm sure the huge majority would have opposed this anyway. Are the results of who actually voted this through available to the public?[/p][/quote]The consultation was available online. We had a leaflet about it which I think was pushed through the door. The consultation though had no methods for checking people who filled it in were genuine so if a particular individual or group had an agenda, they could easily bump the results a certain way. LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: 8

12:47pm Sat 4 Jan 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

http://www.swindonad
vertiser.co.uk/news/
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http://www.swindonad vertiser.co.uk/news/ 10874914.People_powe r_cuts_green_waste_c osts/ LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: -2

2:03pm Sat 4 Jan 14

MrAngry says...

Further to Lord Ash's comment, there was nothing to prevent people from completing multiple questionnaires.

The consultation was also biased as it did not allow negative answers. When asked how residents would dispose of their green waste, they could only opt to use the green wheelie bin, use the tip or say don't know. Using the black wheelie bin wasn't an option.
Further to Lord Ash's comment, there was nothing to prevent people from completing multiple questionnaires. The consultation was also biased as it did not allow negative answers. When asked how residents would dispose of their green waste, they could only opt to use the green wheelie bin, use the tip or say don't know. Using the black wheelie bin wasn't an option. MrAngry
  • Score: 14

2:34pm Sat 4 Jan 14

Morsey says...

This council are at a preliminary stage of abandoning any recycling they cannot sell ... not a true statement! Today, okay it's been holiday time and it has rained, but as per instructions my orange box went out on Wednesday for collection on Thursday, today (Saturday), an ordinary dust cart of the landfill type arrived and the entire contents of residents' washed items and sorted, paper, cardboard, jars, bottles, tin cans was just emptied into the crusher!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!

WHAT IS THE POINT OF US DOING THESE TASKS FOR THE COUNCIL IN THE FIRST PLACE IF THEY ARE GOING TO CHUCK IT ALL INTO LANDFILL???????????
They have given up on all hope!
This council are at a preliminary stage of abandoning any recycling they cannot sell ... not a true statement! Today, okay it's been holiday time and it has rained, but as per instructions my orange box went out on Wednesday for collection on Thursday, today (Saturday), an ordinary dust cart of the landfill type arrived and the entire contents of residents' washed items and sorted, paper, cardboard, jars, bottles, tin cans was just emptied into the crusher!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! WHAT IS THE POINT OF US DOING THESE TASKS FOR THE COUNCIL IN THE FIRST PLACE IF THEY ARE GOING TO CHUCK IT ALL INTO LANDFILL??????????? They have given up on all hope! Morsey
  • Score: 7

3:15pm Sat 4 Jan 14

Davey Gravey says...

LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
I knew nothing of the public consultation and would have liked to have had my say. Was this available to everyone and do i only have myself to blame for this?
I'm sure the huge majority would have opposed this anyway.

Are the results of who actually voted this through available to the public?
The consultation was available online. We had a leaflet about it which I think was pushed through the door.

The consultation though had no methods for checking people who filled it in were genuine so if a particular individual or group had an agenda, they could easily bump the results a certain way.
I didn't get a leaflet so didn't know about it. If What Mr Angry says is correct then it seems a pointless exercise anyway.
[quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: I knew nothing of the public consultation and would have liked to have had my say. Was this available to everyone and do i only have myself to blame for this? I'm sure the huge majority would have opposed this anyway. Are the results of who actually voted this through available to the public?[/p][/quote]The consultation was available online. We had a leaflet about it which I think was pushed through the door. The consultation though had no methods for checking people who filled it in were genuine so if a particular individual or group had an agenda, they could easily bump the results a certain way.[/p][/quote]I didn't get a leaflet so didn't know about it. If What Mr Angry says is correct then it seems a pointless exercise anyway. Davey Gravey
  • Score: -1

4:40pm Sat 4 Jan 14

Hangbrownhigh says...

I can see the new system for recycling the Blackbin contents, which the Council expect will stop landfill, will be full of soil and grass cuttings. Didn't they show a conveyor belt system processing the general waste for sale to energy companies in this rag just a couple of weeks ago? It will end up covered in grass and soil and it will be interesting to see what the Council can do about that. Stand by for bin inspection!
I can see the new system for recycling the Blackbin contents, which the Council expect will stop landfill, will be full of soil and grass cuttings. Didn't they show a conveyor belt system processing the general waste for sale to energy companies in this rag just a couple of weeks ago? It will end up covered in grass and soil and it will be interesting to see what the Council can do about that. Stand by for bin inspection! Hangbrownhigh
  • Score: 5

5:17pm Sat 4 Jan 14

bobbinalong says...

Where has the results of the survey been published?? It would be very interesting to see the % of people who were in favour of this collection charge. Judging by a poll of my friends I do not know anyone who is in favour of this charge! Has anyone seen the summary of the survey?? I guess the next step will be a charge for the tin and glass waste closely followed by the charge for the paper collection. Only after another secret survey of course!
Where has the results of the survey been published?? It would be very interesting to see the % of people who were in favour of this collection charge. Judging by a poll of my friends I do not know anyone who is in favour of this charge! Has anyone seen the summary of the survey?? I guess the next step will be a charge for the tin and glass waste closely followed by the charge for the paper collection. Only after another secret survey of course! bobbinalong
  • Score: 17

5:23pm Sat 4 Jan 14

Davey Gravey says...

bobbinalong wrote:
Where has the results of the survey been published?? It would be very interesting to see the % of people who were in favour of this collection charge. Judging by a poll of my friends I do not know anyone who is in favour of this charge! Has anyone seen the summary of the survey?? I guess the next step will be a charge for the tin and glass waste closely followed by the charge for the paper collection. Only after another secret survey of course!
See the similar article below for a link
[quote][p][bold]bobbinalong[/bold] wrote: Where has the results of the survey been published?? It would be very interesting to see the % of people who were in favour of this collection charge. Judging by a poll of my friends I do not know anyone who is in favour of this charge! Has anyone seen the summary of the survey?? I guess the next step will be a charge for the tin and glass waste closely followed by the charge for the paper collection. Only after another secret survey of course![/p][/quote]See the similar article below for a link Davey Gravey
  • Score: -3

7:19pm Sat 4 Jan 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

bobbinalong wrote:
Where has the results of the survey been published?? It would be very interesting to see the % of people who were in favour of this collection charge. Judging by a poll of my friends I do not know anyone who is in favour of this charge! Has anyone seen the summary of the survey?? I guess the next step will be a charge for the tin and glass waste closely followed by the charge for the paper collection. Only after another secret survey of course!
I posted a link to the news article on the results above.

More details can be found at this link.
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[quote][p][bold]bobbinalong[/bold] wrote: Where has the results of the survey been published?? It would be very interesting to see the % of people who were in favour of this collection charge. Judging by a poll of my friends I do not know anyone who is in favour of this charge! Has anyone seen the summary of the survey?? I guess the next step will be a charge for the tin and glass waste closely followed by the charge for the paper collection. Only after another secret survey of course![/p][/quote]I posted a link to the news article on the results above. More details can be found at this link. http://ww5.swindon.g ov.uk/moderngov/docu ments/b12111/Agenda% 20Item%206%20-%20Was te%20Collection%20Se rvice%20-%20Suppleme ntary%20-%20Revised% 20Appendix%203%2011t h-Dec-2013%2018.00%2 0.pdf?T=9 LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: 0

7:25pm Sat 4 Jan 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

Hangbrownhigh wrote:
I can see the new system for recycling the Blackbin contents, which the Council expect will stop landfill, will be full of soil and grass cuttings. Didn't they show a conveyor belt system processing the general waste for sale to energy companies in this rag just a couple of weeks ago? It will end up covered in grass and soil and it will be interesting to see what the Council can do about that. Stand by for bin inspection!
Actually at the moment they have to pay for companies to have the waste which makes a mockery of the whole thing.

More details can be found at this link.
http://www.swindonli
nk.com/news/swindon-
turns-wheelie-bin-wa
ste-into-power-suppl
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I also expect people to put bags of green rubbish in the household waste wheelie
[quote][p][bold]Hangbrownhigh[/bold] wrote: I can see the new system for recycling the Blackbin contents, which the Council expect will stop landfill, will be full of soil and grass cuttings. Didn't they show a conveyor belt system processing the general waste for sale to energy companies in this rag just a couple of weeks ago? It will end up covered in grass and soil and it will be interesting to see what the Council can do about that. Stand by for bin inspection![/p][/quote]Actually at the moment they have to pay for companies to have the waste which makes a mockery of the whole thing. More details can be found at this link. http://www.swindonli nk.com/news/swindon- turns-wheelie-bin-wa ste-into-power-suppl ies I also expect people to put bags of green rubbish in the household waste wheelie LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: 3

7:46pm Sat 4 Jan 14

KM1981 says...

Swindon Borough Clownschool are obviously ignoring the campaign from Whitehall to prevent fortnightly refuse collections then...

http://www.edie.net/
news/5/Pickles-Adopt
ion-of-fortnightly-w
aste-collections-wil
l-lead-to-vermin/

The Council only cares about money-they are currently trying to sell off all if Swindon's leisure facilities so we will be saying bye-bye to subsidised fees for that sooner or later.

The only way to change this is to vote them out but I can't see that happening. Shame as we FO have the power but are too afraid to use it it seems.
Swindon Borough Clownschool are obviously ignoring the campaign from Whitehall to prevent fortnightly refuse collections then... http://www.edie.net/ news/5/Pickles-Adopt ion-of-fortnightly-w aste-collections-wil l-lead-to-vermin/ The Council only cares about money-they are currently trying to sell off all if Swindon's leisure facilities so we will be saying bye-bye to subsidised fees for that sooner or later. The only way to change this is to vote them out but I can't see that happening. Shame as we FO have the power but are too afraid to use it it seems. KM1981
  • Score: 20

8:19pm Sat 4 Jan 14

wilcey says...

This is a shameful decision. Those most in need of this service will have to pay. The elderly are victims once again and the least able to afford this cost. The rise in the annual pension will not cover the cost so some will be faced with a very difficult decision. Where is the Council's social conscience? Most people in society have taken on board the responsibility of seperating waste - now they want to levy an additional charge..This is a way of raising money without raising the Council Tax and it is deceitful.
Think again Councillors
This is a shameful decision. Those most in need of this service will have to pay. The elderly are victims once again and the least able to afford this cost. The rise in the annual pension will not cover the cost so some will be faced with a very difficult decision. Where is the Council's social conscience? Most people in society have taken on board the responsibility of seperating waste - now they want to levy an additional charge..This is a way of raising money without raising the Council Tax and it is deceitful. Think again Councillors wilcey
  • Score: 12

8:47pm Sat 4 Jan 14

Oik1 says...

"This included 11,620 green wheeled bins being bought for £261,000"

Looking at the comments here, it could well be that the council could well end up with an over spend on green bins by about £200,000
I certainly have no interest in buying a green bin, like many others!
"This included 11,620 green wheeled bins being bought for £261,000" Looking at the comments here, it could well be that the council could well end up with an over spend on green bins by about £200,000 I certainly have no interest in buying a green bin, like many others! Oik1
  • Score: 14

10:04pm Sat 4 Jan 14

Localboy86 says...

Where is ringer?
Where is ringer? Localboy86
  • Score: -3

1:47am Sun 5 Jan 14

Still About says...

Localboy86 wrote:
Where is ringer?
Indeed.
He doesn't usually miss an opportunity to defend Swindon Borough Clownschool and call their dissatisfied customers lefties
[quote][p][bold]Localboy86[/bold] wrote: Where is ringer?[/p][/quote]Indeed. He doesn't usually miss an opportunity to defend Swindon Borough Clownschool and call their dissatisfied customers lefties Still About
  • Score: 0

7:49am Sun 5 Jan 14

house on the hill says...

Localboy86 wrote:
Can someone post a list of the people responsible for this decision so I can make sure I never ever vote for them again
You do realise that you can only vote for one councillor, so all you need to know is how yours voted.

So basically what you are saying is that you are going to base your entire democratic right to vote on what is in reality a very small issue? So how they vote on things like regeneration, adult social care, house building, social housing, roads etc is not actually important but the possibility of being charged less than a £ a week is all you care about? Seriously?

Isnt democracy wonderful!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Localboy86[/bold] wrote: Can someone post a list of the people responsible for this decision so I can make sure I never ever vote for them again[/p][/quote]You do realise that you can only vote for one councillor, so all you need to know is how yours voted. So basically what you are saying is that you are going to base your entire democratic right to vote on what is in reality a very small issue? So how they vote on things like regeneration, adult social care, house building, social housing, roads etc is not actually important but the possibility of being charged less than a £ a week is all you care about? Seriously? Isnt democracy wonderful!!!! house on the hill
  • Score: -11

7:55am Sun 5 Jan 14

Localboy86 says...

house on the hill wrote:
Localboy86 wrote:
Can someone post a list of the people responsible for this decision so I can make sure I never ever vote for them again
You do realise that you can only vote for one councillor, so all you need to know is how yours voted.

So basically what you are saying is that you are going to base your entire democratic right to vote on what is in reality a very small issue? So how they vote on things like regeneration, adult social care, house building, social housing, roads etc is not actually important but the possibility of being charged less than a £ a week is all you care about? Seriously?

Isnt democracy wonderful!!!!
1 - Councillors often swap the area they represent.

2 - no but I will remember this and it will be a good stick to beat any councillor that comes knock at my door looking for votes with.

This only saves peanuts and will make swindon look a lot worse. Very disappointed in this decision. Which way did ringer vote?
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Localboy86[/bold] wrote: Can someone post a list of the people responsible for this decision so I can make sure I never ever vote for them again[/p][/quote]You do realise that you can only vote for one councillor, so all you need to know is how yours voted. So basically what you are saying is that you are going to base your entire democratic right to vote on what is in reality a very small issue? So how they vote on things like regeneration, adult social care, house building, social housing, roads etc is not actually important but the possibility of being charged less than a £ a week is all you care about? Seriously? Isnt democracy wonderful!!!![/p][/quote]1 - Councillors often swap the area they represent. 2 - no but I will remember this and it will be a good stick to beat any councillor that comes knock at my door looking for votes with. This only saves peanuts and will make swindon look a lot worse. Very disappointed in this decision. Which way did ringer vote? Localboy86
  • Score: 6

8:01am Sun 5 Jan 14

house on the hill says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
bobbinalong wrote:
Where has the results of the survey been published?? It would be very interesting to see the % of people who were in favour of this collection charge. Judging by a poll of my friends I do not know anyone who is in favour of this charge! Has anyone seen the summary of the survey?? I guess the next step will be a charge for the tin and glass waste closely followed by the charge for the paper collection. Only after another secret survey of course!
See the similar article below for a link
Part of the problem is that the vast majority never complete surveys anyway and never vote either.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bobbinalong[/bold] wrote: Where has the results of the survey been published?? It would be very interesting to see the % of people who were in favour of this collection charge. Judging by a poll of my friends I do not know anyone who is in favour of this charge! Has anyone seen the summary of the survey?? I guess the next step will be a charge for the tin and glass waste closely followed by the charge for the paper collection. Only after another secret survey of course![/p][/quote]See the similar article below for a link[/p][/quote]Part of the problem is that the vast majority never complete surveys anyway and never vote either. house on the hill
  • Score: -2

8:52am Sun 5 Jan 14

leafy1 says...

Don't people use compost bins anymore ??
Don't people use compost bins anymore ?? leafy1
  • Score: -5

9:03am Sun 5 Jan 14

Localboy86 says...

I don't have a problem with people paying to get their green waste collected, what annoys me is changing the recycling pick up to once every two weeks
I don't have a problem with people paying to get their green waste collected, what annoys me is changing the recycling pick up to once every two weeks Localboy86
  • Score: -8

9:08am Sun 5 Jan 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

house on the hill wrote:
Localboy86 wrote:
Can someone post a list of the people responsible for this decision so I can make sure I never ever vote for them again
You do realise that you can only vote for one councillor, so all you need to know is how yours voted.

So basically what you are saying is that you are going to base your entire democratic right to vote on what is in reality a very small issue? So how they vote on things like regeneration, adult social care, house building, social housing, roads etc is not actually important but the possibility of being charged less than a £ a week is all you care about? Seriously?

Isnt democracy wonderful!!!!
I'll be voting for anyone but the current Councillors in our area as I have seen so many poor decisions, indecision, poor communication and a lack of trust and integrity.

Heck, if I'm working in Swindon for the next elections I'll consider standing as an independent.

Personally I'd rather they just put council tax up (and I accept I'm in a minority) and stopped the backdoor increases.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Localboy86[/bold] wrote: Can someone post a list of the people responsible for this decision so I can make sure I never ever vote for them again[/p][/quote]You do realise that you can only vote for one councillor, so all you need to know is how yours voted. So basically what you are saying is that you are going to base your entire democratic right to vote on what is in reality a very small issue? So how they vote on things like regeneration, adult social care, house building, social housing, roads etc is not actually important but the possibility of being charged less than a £ a week is all you care about? Seriously? Isnt democracy wonderful!!!![/p][/quote]I'll be voting for anyone but the current Councillors in our area as I have seen so many poor decisions, indecision, poor communication and a lack of trust and integrity. Heck, if I'm working in Swindon for the next elections I'll consider standing as an independent. Personally I'd rather they just put council tax up (and I accept I'm in a minority) and stopped the backdoor increases. LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: -1

9:53am Sun 5 Jan 14

Kelliz says...

We put out our recycling for friday collection. This was not done on friday so the whole street left it out and on saturday they have come round and only done one side. It will cost more than 40quid to send the collection round again to do the other side of the street
We put out our recycling for friday collection. This was not done on friday so the whole street left it out and on saturday they have come round and only done one side. It will cost more than 40quid to send the collection round again to do the other side of the street Kelliz
  • Score: 0

10:32am Sun 5 Jan 14

Davey Gravey says...

Localboy86 wrote:
Where is ringer?
Will probably be along soon, quoting a survey from october last year of 1000 people not in swindon, saying how services are maintained or improving.
[quote][p][bold]Localboy86[/bold] wrote: Where is ringer?[/p][/quote]Will probably be along soon, quoting a survey from october last year of 1000 people not in swindon, saying how services are maintained or improving. Davey Gravey
  • Score: -3

11:04am Sun 5 Jan 14

Shnookums says...

So It's going to cost us an extra £40 for less collections !
So It's going to cost us an extra £40 for less collections ! Shnookums
  • Score: 2

11:50am Sun 5 Jan 14

Hudson_Grumpy says...

What I would like to know is what happens if you have paid the £40 for a Green Wheelie bin and somebody else dumps inappropriate "Green waste" in it, which is then refused to be collected as is not considered to be green waste, the "responsible owner / mug" who has paid the £40 will be left having to find a way of disposing of someone else's inappropriate rubbish.
What I would like to know is what happens if you have paid the £40 for a Green Wheelie bin and somebody else dumps inappropriate "Green waste" in it, which is then refused to be collected as is not considered to be green waste, the "responsible owner / mug" who has paid the £40 will be left having to find a way of disposing of someone else's inappropriate rubbish. Hudson_Grumpy
  • Score: 5

12:19pm Sun 5 Jan 14

RHowroyd says...

I am sitting at home on Sunday still waiting for my recycling to be collected after they failed to collect from the majority of North Swindon last week!

I have big concerns about Councillors who believe that the proposed changes to collections are acceptable given Eric Pickles latest guidance on weekly collections. The consequences of getting rid of the weekly recycling and introducing charges will be fly tipping and people not paying attention to sorting waste and just putting in the main bin. A £40 fee for another bin I don't have room for and will only use in the summer seems a bit steep!

Current arrangements are (normally) excellent but this change seems to be political suicide!
I am sitting at home on Sunday still waiting for my recycling to be collected after they failed to collect from the majority of North Swindon last week! I have big concerns about Councillors who believe that the proposed changes to collections are acceptable given Eric Pickles latest guidance on weekly collections. The consequences of getting rid of the weekly recycling and introducing charges will be fly tipping and people not paying attention to sorting waste and just putting in the main bin. A £40 fee for another bin I don't have room for and will only use in the summer seems a bit steep! Current arrangements are (normally) excellent but this change seems to be political suicide! RHowroyd
  • Score: 3

8:44am Mon 6 Jan 14

Ringer says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Localboy86 wrote:
Where is ringer?
Will probably be along soon, quoting a survey from october last year of 1000 people not in swindon, saying how services are maintained or improving.
Shame you can't accept the reality. We're not all blinded by the propaganda churned out by Labour HQ.

Just because you don't like the outcome of an independent BBC survey doesn't mean you should publically embarrass yourself over it.

You do realise that the survey is less than 3 months old? Find me a more recent one.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Localboy86[/bold] wrote: Where is ringer?[/p][/quote]Will probably be along soon, quoting a survey from october last year of 1000 people not in swindon, saying how services are maintained or improving.[/p][/quote]Shame you can't accept the reality. We're not all blinded by the propaganda churned out by Labour HQ. Just because you don't like the outcome of an independent BBC survey doesn't mean you should publically embarrass yourself over it. You do realise that the survey is less than 3 months old? Find me a more recent one. Ringer
  • Score: 1

8:46am Mon 6 Jan 14

Ringer says...

Still About wrote:
Localboy86 wrote:
Where is ringer?
Indeed.
He doesn't usually miss an opportunity to defend Swindon Borough Clownschool and call their dissatisfied customers lefties
Ah, so the Still About login is also Empty Car Park / I Too / Blackwell 2.

Obvious, really... nobody else would use such lame puns.
[quote][p][bold]Still About[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Localboy86[/bold] wrote: Where is ringer?[/p][/quote]Indeed. He doesn't usually miss an opportunity to defend Swindon Borough Clownschool and call their dissatisfied customers lefties[/p][/quote]Ah, so the Still About login is also Empty Car Park / I Too / Blackwell 2. Obvious, really... nobody else would use such lame puns. Ringer
  • Score: 5

9:26am Mon 6 Jan 14

Davey Gravey says...

Someones playing with the thumbs again. Tut tut
Someones playing with the thumbs again. Tut tut Davey Gravey
  • Score: -5

11:34am Mon 6 Jan 14

Ringer says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Someones playing with the thumbs again. Tut tut
You're quick to accuse others of doing so yet get all upset when you're accused of doing it (which you do).

Where's you proof, other than voting going against your tired, minority pro-Labour posts?
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Someones playing with the thumbs again. Tut tut[/p][/quote]You're quick to accuse others of doing so yet get all upset when you're accused of doing it (which you do). Where's you proof, other than voting going against your tired, minority pro-Labour posts? Ringer
  • Score: 3

12:26pm Mon 6 Jan 14

speaker2 says...

there is No way that I will be paying for this..
I already do my own recyling and do use the bin men, because they are useless and do not even take half the stuff that has recycle labels on them
For one this year I will be putting a bill back to the council stating that I recycle my own waste and do not use their service and want some monies returned to me
there is No way that I will be paying for this.. I already do my own recyling and do use the bin men, because they are useless and do not even take half the stuff that has recycle labels on them For one this year I will be putting a bill back to the council stating that I recycle my own waste and do not use their service and want some monies returned to me speaker2
  • Score: 5

12:43pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Empty Car Park says...

Ringer,
Only one person keeps banging on about multiple logins. That's you
We all know why that is.

Only one person constantly mentions a political party. That's you
People are starting to realise why that is

Only one person keeps on about someone dancing.
A strange phobia you have

I will continue to criticise the council, regardless of which political wing run it because they waste a lot of our money and disrespect public opinion
Ringer, Only one person keeps banging on about multiple logins. That's you We all know why that is. Only one person constantly mentions a political party. That's you People are starting to realise why that is Only one person keeps on about someone dancing. A strange phobia you have I will continue to criticise the council, regardless of which political wing run it because they waste a lot of our money and disrespect public opinion Empty Car Park
  • Score: -2

12:44pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Empty Car Park says...

Ringer,
Only one person keeps banging on about multiple logins. That's you
We all know why that is.

Only one person constantly mentions a political party. That's you
People are starting to realise why that is

Only one person keeps on about someone dancing.
A strange phobia you have

I will continue to criticise the council, regardless of which political wing run it because they waste a lot of our money and disrespect public opinion


You are also the only person who cares a fig about thumb scores
Ringer, Only one person keeps banging on about multiple logins. That's you We all know why that is. Only one person constantly mentions a political party. That's you People are starting to realise why that is Only one person keeps on about someone dancing. A strange phobia you have I will continue to criticise the council, regardless of which political wing run it because they waste a lot of our money and disrespect public opinion You are also the only person who cares a fig about thumb scores Empty Car Park
  • Score: -7

1:37pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Ringer says...

Doesn't this just highlight how mad you are?

1. YOU are the only person who continually accuses others (mainly me) of using multiple logins. You cannot, therefore, be surprised or upset when I point out that it's common knowledge that you use at least three different logins here and that I only use one.

2. Yes, I do often mention the Labour party. Davey Gravey and Morsey, to mention but two people here, often mention the 'Tories'. Other often mention 'UKIP'. What does that 'prove' in your twisted little mind? Because to normal people it doesn't really mean or suggest anything.

3. YOU are the one who first mentioned your amazing dancing (and let's not forget you telling everyone about your charity work). Had you not mentioned your dancing, how would anyone even know you did it?

4. You can say whatever you like about the council, but when it's usually incorrect and clearly driven by a pathological hatred you can hardly be surprised when others pull you up on your entirely predictable nonsense. Thankfully, you'll soon be leaving Swindon so I'm sure people will find it odd that you come back to this site to harp on about a council that will have nothing to do with you, your opinion or your council tax payments.

5. You saved the most hysterically incorrect accusation until last. It is Davey Gravey who *continually* goes on about the voting 'thumbs'. Well, him and YOU. I never mention them and have absolutely no interest in them... it's only YOU and Davey that seems to find them an issue.
Doesn't this just highlight how mad you are? 1. YOU are the only person who continually accuses others (mainly me) of using multiple logins. You cannot, therefore, be surprised or upset when I point out that it's common knowledge that you use at least three different logins here and that I only use one. 2. Yes, I do often mention the Labour party. Davey Gravey and Morsey, to mention but two people here, often mention the 'Tories'. Other often mention 'UKIP'. What does that 'prove' in your twisted little mind? Because to normal people it doesn't really mean or suggest anything. 3. YOU are the one who first mentioned your amazing dancing (and let's not forget you telling everyone about your charity work). Had you not mentioned your dancing, how would anyone even know you did it? 4. You can say whatever you like about the council, but when it's usually incorrect and clearly driven by a pathological hatred you can hardly be surprised when others pull you up on your entirely predictable nonsense. Thankfully, you'll soon be leaving Swindon so I'm sure people will find it odd that you come back to this site to harp on about a council that will have nothing to do with you, your opinion or your council tax payments. 5. You saved the most hysterically incorrect accusation until last. It is Davey Gravey who *continually* goes on about the voting 'thumbs'. Well, him and YOU. I never mention them and have absolutely no interest in them... it's only YOU and Davey that seems to find them an issue. Ringer
  • Score: 2

2:01pm Mon 6 Jan 14

onlyliloleme says...

Having recently moved to the area I can honestly say this Council is very backward with regard to waste disposal. We had a small green bin for food waste which was collected weekly and then different bins boxes and bags for recycling and a black waste bin which were collected every other week. You could pay a one off fee to get a green garden waste bin which was then collected for free. Not at all impressed with their actions so far.
Having recently moved to the area I can honestly say this Council is very backward with regard to waste disposal. We had a small green bin for food waste which was collected weekly and then different bins boxes and bags for recycling and a black waste bin which were collected every other week. You could pay a one off fee to get a green garden waste bin which was then collected for free. Not at all impressed with their actions so far. onlyliloleme
  • Score: 4

4:57pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Empty Car Park says...

Ringer,

You fail to realise that I have NEVER defended the labour party.

Swindon Borough Clownschool do lots of stupid things.
To defend that and call all the critics "lefties" is the act of a zealot or a simpleton.
Which one are you?

It's all very well mentioning other people that have a political allegiance but, they have no connection to myself.

Those other people do not live on this forum to the extreme that you do.
Perhaps that's why you have no respect for other people having worthwhile hobbies.

Odd that the most innocuous of comments can attract a negative score but, I really don't believe anybody else cares about that.

I don't generally bother to use the thumb keys.
I prefer to just comment
Ringer, You fail to realise that I have NEVER defended the labour party. Swindon Borough Clownschool do lots of stupid things. To defend that and call all the critics "lefties" is the act of a zealot or a simpleton. Which one are you? It's all very well mentioning other people that have a political allegiance but, they have no connection to myself. Those other people do not live on this forum to the extreme that you do. Perhaps that's why you have no respect for other people having worthwhile hobbies. Odd that the most innocuous of comments can attract a negative score but, I really don't believe anybody else cares about that. I don't generally bother to use the thumb keys. I prefer to just comment Empty Car Park
  • Score: -3

5:05pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Empty Car Park says...

Ringer,

You can dress it up all you like but, the "audience" are not stupid.
You've had more logins than most.
I also suspect that others have merely changed logins in order to stop you stalking them with your hard core political claptrap

You fail to realise that I have NEVER defended the labour party.

Swindon Borough Clownschool do lots of stupid things.
To defend that and call all the critics "lefties" is the act of a zealot or a simpleton.
Which one are you?
It doesn't matter as I will continue to comment despite your threats of "robust treatment"

It's all very well mentioning other people that have a political allegiance but, they have no connection to myself.

Those other people do not live on this forum to the extreme that you do.
Perhaps that's why you have no respect for other people having worthwhile hobbies.

Odd that the most innocuous of comments can attract a negative score but, I really don't believe anybody else cares about that.

I don't generally bother to use the thumb keys.
I prefer to just comment
Ringer, You can dress it up all you like but, the "audience" are not stupid. You've had more logins than most. I also suspect that others have merely changed logins in order to stop you stalking them with your hard core political claptrap You fail to realise that I have NEVER defended the labour party. Swindon Borough Clownschool do lots of stupid things. To defend that and call all the critics "lefties" is the act of a zealot or a simpleton. Which one are you? It doesn't matter as I will continue to comment despite your threats of "robust treatment" It's all very well mentioning other people that have a political allegiance but, they have no connection to myself. Those other people do not live on this forum to the extreme that you do. Perhaps that's why you have no respect for other people having worthwhile hobbies. Odd that the most innocuous of comments can attract a negative score but, I really don't believe anybody else cares about that. I don't generally bother to use the thumb keys. I prefer to just comment Empty Car Park
  • Score: -3

7:07pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Ringer says...

@Empty Car Park: I'm thoroughly bored to tears of your continual clap-trap.

After this post I will just let you post as much nonsense about me as you wish. You're clearly too dim to accept reality and just stick to your misguided beliefs despite being proven wrong so many times it's not even funny anymore.

I'll still pull you up on your politically motivated drivel, but as for the rest of your nonsense, fire away and waste your time as much as you wish. I just cannot be bothered trying to correct your ill-informed, pathological obsessions any longer. I've tried helping you but it's clear that only professional help will work - and even then I don't envy their chances.
@Empty Car Park: I'm thoroughly bored to tears of your continual clap-trap. After this post I will just let you post as much nonsense about me as you wish. You're clearly too dim to accept reality and just stick to your misguided beliefs despite being proven wrong so many times it's not even funny anymore. I'll still pull you up on your politically motivated drivel, but as for the rest of your nonsense, fire away and waste your time as much as you wish. I just cannot be bothered trying to correct your ill-informed, pathological obsessions any longer. I've tried helping you but it's clear that only professional help will work - and even then I don't envy their chances. Ringer
  • Score: 2

11:35pm Mon 6 Jan 14

dst1968 says...

What is the point of being asked to post your opinion when no one at the council listens to the majority. I'm in opposition of the proposal (and this page clearly shows that most households are up in arms about the additional cost)
So when the government puts a freeze on council tax, we find ourselves having to shell out on these other schemes the councillors have dreamt up. This is included in my council tax, why am I being asked to pay again?
Watch out for an increase in fly tipping. I will take my green waste to the tip myself as I cant rely on the already shoddy service we already have.
And I'm certainly not giving them the satisfaction of taking another £40 that I don't have!
What is the point of being asked to post your opinion when no one at the council listens to the majority. I'm in opposition of the proposal (and this page clearly shows that most households are up in arms about the additional cost) So when the government puts a freeze on council tax, we find ourselves having to shell out on these other schemes the councillors have dreamt up. This is included in my council tax, why am I being asked to pay again? Watch out for an increase in fly tipping. I will take my green waste to the tip myself as I cant rely on the already shoddy service we already have. And I'm certainly not giving them the satisfaction of taking another £40 that I don't have! dst1968
  • Score: 5

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