Bus passengers left high and dry

This Is Wiltshire: Staff at Blunsdon House Hotel are up in arms about the cancellation of the bus service. From left, Gayle Crockett, Ben Walters, Annette Taylor, Iwona Zolopa, Val Dunbar, Ruth Fitchett, Emma Walters, Kelly Walford and Julie Northall Staff at Blunsdon House Hotel are up in arms about the cancellation of the bus service. From left, Gayle Crockett, Ben Walters, Annette Taylor, Iwona Zolopa, Val Dunbar, Ruth Fitchett, Emma Walters, Kelly Walford and Julie Northall

THE full impact of proposed changes to the bus network were revealed yesterday with the revelation that up to 25 members of staff at the Blunsdon House Hotel would be forced to quit their job if they go ahead.

Thamesdown Transport has said that from May 24 they will no longer be able to run the 24 service to the North Swindon village as it is not commercially viable.

It is understood talks are taking place between the council and a number of bus companies for a possible answer but this has done little to ease the concerns of worried workers.

Val Dunbar, the payroll manager at the hotel, said: “In total there are 25 staff who will lose jobs if the bus is cancelled.

“It is absolutely ridiculous that Blunsdon could effectively be cut off by these changes.

“We understand there needs to be money saved but there also needs to be compromise. We have just been told the service will stop and that has left us in the lurch.

“Simply put, good members of staff will be forced to leave their jobs if there is no bus service. On top of that they will most likely be unable to claim benefits as they will have voluntarily left their job.”

Last week it emerged around a dozen employees at the Park View Care home may have to leave as they will have no way of getting to work. As well as the difficulty the cancellation will cause workers, concerns have been raised about how children will be able to get to school.

Ruth Fitchett, Chef De Partie, said: “When the number 12 service, which went to the Orbital, was replaced by the 24 we were told it was to make money available.

“The current service goes directly to town, which is not what people want, and means some people have to leave home more than two hours before the start of their shift. I think it was designed to fail so they can now cancel it to save money.”

Talks are being held to try and find a solution but as it stands Blunsdon looks set to lose all access to a bus service. Although Thamesdown Transport is owned by the council, it is run as an arms-length company so they do not have a direct say in how it is run.

Coun Keith Williams (Con, Shaw), the cabinet member for transport, said: “We are currently in negotiations with Thamesdown Transport to see if there is a way we can find a way of supporting a service to Blunsdon as we obviously do not want the village to be without a bus.

“We are also talking to a number of other operators to see if there is something we can do. As it stands I do think that come the end of May, there will be a service of some sort in Blunsdon.”

Paul Jenkins, managing director of Thamesdown Transport, said: “Unfortunately, after May 24 we will not be able to continue running Service 24 as a commercial service due to passenger revenue not meeting operational costs.

“We are, however, liaising with Swindon Borough Council regarding the future of this service and hope that a satisfactory solution can be found.”

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8:31am Wed 2 Apr 14

house on the hill says...

If I had a £1 for everyone with folded arms in an Adver photo, I could retire to the sunshine. Buses are a business not a charity, if the route doesn't make money how can you expect it to run? You wouldn't take a job that cost more in travelling than you earned, just a reality fact of life.
If I had a £1 for everyone with folded arms in an Adver photo, I could retire to the sunshine. Buses are a business not a charity, if the route doesn't make money how can you expect it to run? You wouldn't take a job that cost more in travelling than you earned, just a reality fact of life. house on the hill
  • Score: 19

8:41am Wed 2 Apr 14

Steve700 says...

If the Blunsdon House Hotel are that concerned, why don't they lease a minibus to 'save' their 25 valued employees - take a small 'bus fare' value out of their wages to cover it and everyone's a winner - I should be on the Council!
If the Blunsdon House Hotel are that concerned, why don't they lease a minibus to 'save' their 25 valued employees - take a small 'bus fare' value out of their wages to cover it and everyone's a winner - I should be on the Council! Steve700
  • Score: 39

9:00am Wed 2 Apr 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

Good to see the local councillors and parish councillors stepping in to the debate....! Oh, they haven't, suprise suprise....!

They are probably all in hiding after their various commitments to ensuring Blunsdon kept a bus service after the routes were changed last Autumn.
Good to see the local councillors and parish councillors stepping in to the debate....! Oh, they haven't, suprise suprise....! They are probably all in hiding after their various commitments to ensuring Blunsdon kept a bus service after the routes were changed last Autumn. LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: 12

9:06am Wed 2 Apr 14

Always Grumpy says...

LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
Good to see the local councillors and parish councillors stepping in to the debate....! Oh, they haven't, suprise suprise....!

They are probably all in hiding after their various commitments to ensuring Blunsdon kept a bus service after the routes were changed last Autumn.
Have you ever seen Blunsdon Parish Council do anything for the benefit of people living outside of their precious village?
No, neither have I!
[quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: Good to see the local councillors and parish councillors stepping in to the debate....! Oh, they haven't, suprise suprise....! They are probably all in hiding after their various commitments to ensuring Blunsdon kept a bus service after the routes were changed last Autumn.[/p][/quote]Have you ever seen Blunsdon Parish Council do anything for the benefit of people living outside of their precious village? No, neither have I! Always Grumpy
  • Score: 7

9:11am Wed 2 Apr 14

mrwoo says...

what's wrong with walking or cycling. Share a taxi between 4 if you are terminally lazy? You can get a bus to within a mile. If these people are so weak they cannot get to work, I wouldn't employ them! If I was Blunsdon House, Val Dumb-bar would be sacked immediately, look at all the lazy, useless, miserable hotel staff. I wouldn't want to stay there with that lot. What a stupid article.
what's wrong with walking or cycling. Share a taxi between 4 if you are terminally lazy? You can get a bus to within a mile. If these people are so weak they cannot get to work, I wouldn't employ them! If I was Blunsdon House, Val Dumb-bar would be sacked immediately, look at all the lazy, useless, miserable hotel staff. I wouldn't want to stay there with that lot. What a stupid article. mrwoo
  • Score: 10

9:34am Wed 2 Apr 14

EmmBee says...

Crossed arms? Check!
"Edgy" angle? Check!
Reactolites present? Check!

It's an Advert Angry Photo Op! The only thing missing is Anne Snelgrove.
Crossed arms? Check! "Edgy" angle? Check! Reactolites present? Check! It's an Advert Angry Photo Op! The only thing missing is Anne Snelgrove. EmmBee
  • Score: 24

9:44am Wed 2 Apr 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

mrwoo wrote:
what's wrong with walking or cycling. Share a taxi between 4 if you are terminally lazy? You can get a bus to within a mile. If these people are so weak they cannot get to work, I wouldn't employ them! If I was Blunsdon House, Val Dumb-bar would be sacked immediately, look at all the lazy, useless, miserable hotel staff. I wouldn't want to stay there with that lot. What a stupid article.
Perhaps the same should apply to you in getting to work in Reading. Are you too lazy to cycle? Is it too far for you......? Given you don't know whereabouts each of the individuals live you cannot comment on alternative modes of transport. One thing is for sure though, if the bus doesn't go to Blunsdon at all, then there are no public transport options available to them.
[quote][p][bold]mrwoo[/bold] wrote: what's wrong with walking or cycling. Share a taxi between 4 if you are terminally lazy? You can get a bus to within a mile. If these people are so weak they cannot get to work, I wouldn't employ them! If I was Blunsdon House, Val Dumb-bar would be sacked immediately, look at all the lazy, useless, miserable hotel staff. I wouldn't want to stay there with that lot. What a stupid article.[/p][/quote]Perhaps the same should apply to you in getting to work in Reading. Are you too lazy to cycle? Is it too far for you......? Given you don't know whereabouts each of the individuals live you cannot comment on alternative modes of transport. One thing is for sure though, if the bus doesn't go to Blunsdon at all, then there are no public transport options available to them. LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: -4

9:54am Wed 2 Apr 14

swindondad says...

Steve700 wrote:
If the Blunsdon House Hotel are that concerned, why don't they lease a minibus to 'save' their 25 valued employees - take a small 'bus fare' value out of their wages to cover it and everyone's a winner - I should be on the Council!
Most Hotels have a courtesy minibus to drop off / pick up guests from the railway station / airport.
[quote][p][bold]Steve700[/bold] wrote: If the Blunsdon House Hotel are that concerned, why don't they lease a minibus to 'save' their 25 valued employees - take a small 'bus fare' value out of their wages to cover it and everyone's a winner - I should be on the Council![/p][/quote]Most Hotels have a courtesy minibus to drop off / pick up guests from the railway station / airport. swindondad
  • Score: 12

9:57am Wed 2 Apr 14

mrwoo says...

LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
mrwoo wrote:
what's wrong with walking or cycling. Share a taxi between 4 if you are terminally lazy? You can get a bus to within a mile. If these people are so weak they cannot get to work, I wouldn't employ them! If I was Blunsdon House, Val Dumb-bar would be sacked immediately, look at all the lazy, useless, miserable hotel staff. I wouldn't want to stay there with that lot. What a stupid article.
Perhaps the same should apply to you in getting to work in Reading. Are you too lazy to cycle? Is it too far for you......? Given you don't know whereabouts each of the individuals live you cannot comment on alternative modes of transport. One thing is for sure though, if the bus doesn't go to Blunsdon at all, then there are no public transport options available to them.
I don't work in Reading, but when I did I caught the train and walked the last 2 miles.
[quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrwoo[/bold] wrote: what's wrong with walking or cycling. Share a taxi between 4 if you are terminally lazy? You can get a bus to within a mile. If these people are so weak they cannot get to work, I wouldn't employ them! If I was Blunsdon House, Val Dumb-bar would be sacked immediately, look at all the lazy, useless, miserable hotel staff. I wouldn't want to stay there with that lot. What a stupid article.[/p][/quote]Perhaps the same should apply to you in getting to work in Reading. Are you too lazy to cycle? Is it too far for you......? Given you don't know whereabouts each of the individuals live you cannot comment on alternative modes of transport. One thing is for sure though, if the bus doesn't go to Blunsdon at all, then there are no public transport options available to them.[/p][/quote]I don't work in Reading, but when I did I caught the train and walked the last 2 miles. mrwoo
  • Score: 7

10:34am Wed 2 Apr 14

Robh says...

This was always the plan when the no.12 was replaced by the 24. Soon the 12 will no longer go to St Andrews Ridge because it is not viable. Thamesdown Transport do not want to run a bus service for the public it is too wound up in it's self service.

You cannot get a job or shop where the bus goes because some idiot in the office will cut or change the route. The 24 was on a downer from the start because it goes from Blunsdon to the Town Centre with nothing in between. If it was sent round the old 12 route it be more useful.
This was always the plan when the no.12 was replaced by the 24. Soon the 12 will no longer go to St Andrews Ridge because it is not viable. Thamesdown Transport do not want to run a bus service for the public it is too wound up in it's self service. You cannot get a job or shop where the bus goes because some idiot in the office will cut or change the route. The 24 was on a downer from the start because it goes from Blunsdon to the Town Centre with nothing in between. If it was sent round the old 12 route it be more useful. Robh
  • Score: 6

10:38am Wed 2 Apr 14

swindon_mini says...

I can see this story from all the angles. I understand that it is not economically viable to keep running this bus service, however surely Swindon Borough Council has a responsibility to provide transport to rural areas, even if it has to subsidise it or ask the bus company to reduce the frequency of buses to ensure that they carry more passengers.
I spent the first 3 years of my working life in the hotel industry and from what I remember, early and late shift received paid for transport for the unsocial part of the day. I also remember walking home on early shift and walking in on the late shift (Not every day I might add, sometimes I would get a bus part way if it was bad weather or I was tired) I was doing sand acre road to pipers way to give an indication of distance. However we don’t know the health concerns of all the staff affected and taxis are expensive for someone on the minimum wage.
I can see this story from all the angles. I understand that it is not economically viable to keep running this bus service, however surely Swindon Borough Council has a responsibility to provide transport to rural areas, even if it has to subsidise it or ask the bus company to reduce the frequency of buses to ensure that they carry more passengers. I spent the first 3 years of my working life in the hotel industry and from what I remember, early and late shift received paid for transport for the unsocial part of the day. I also remember walking home on early shift and walking in on the late shift (Not every day I might add, sometimes I would get a bus part way if it was bad weather or I was tired) I was doing sand acre road to pipers way to give an indication of distance. However we don’t know the health concerns of all the staff affected and taxis are expensive for someone on the minimum wage. swindon_mini
  • Score: 5

11:01am Wed 2 Apr 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

Blunsdon is hardly rural, and Swindon Council has no responsibility to subsidise a private business.

There's several bus routes that go reasonably close, the number 12 stops just a few minutes walk away from the hotel in Andrews Ridge. Buses can't always stop right on the doorstep of everyone that uses them.

Something else doesn't add up. They're suggesting people have to leave for work two hours earlier because the bus no longer stops at the Orbital? It doesn't take more than 20 minutes to walk to Blunsdon from the Orbital so I'm confused why people couldn't just get a bus to the Orbital and then walk the last bit?
Blunsdon is hardly rural, and Swindon Council has no responsibility to subsidise a private business. There's several bus routes that go reasonably close, the number 12 stops just a few minutes walk away from the hotel in Andrews Ridge. Buses can't always stop right on the doorstep of everyone that uses them. Something else doesn't add up. They're suggesting people have to leave for work two hours earlier because the bus no longer stops at the Orbital? It doesn't take more than 20 minutes to walk to Blunsdon from the Orbital so I'm confused why people couldn't just get a bus to the Orbital and then walk the last bit? The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: 4

11:26am Wed 2 Apr 14

DLP OldTown says...

I can never understand why Thamesdown Transport don't run small hopper buses like most other towns in the country.
Great for places where there are only a few passengers. cheaper to run and better for in environment.
They need to employ someone with commonsense, why continue to run some services every 10 minutes with half empty buses, why not run them every 30 minutes, an immediate saving,
They changed the hourly 22 bus from going out to Asda to save money then run it half empty from town to Okus road TWICE an hour....what saving was that............CRAZ
Y!!!
I can never understand why Thamesdown Transport don't run small hopper buses like most other towns in the country. Great for places where there are only a few passengers. cheaper to run and better for in environment. They need to employ someone with commonsense, why continue to run some services every 10 minutes with half empty buses, why not run them every 30 minutes, an immediate saving, They changed the hourly 22 bus from going out to Asda to save money then run it half empty from town to Okus road TWICE an hour....what saving was that............CRAZ Y!!! DLP OldTown
  • Score: 8

12:06pm Wed 2 Apr 14

themoonraker says...

''THE full impact of proposed changes to the bus network were revealed yesterday with the revelation that up to 25 members of staff at the Blunsdon House Hotel would be forced to quit their job if they go ahead.''
WRONG, THEY WILL NOT BE FORCED TO QUIT, it just means that they will have to find another way to get to and from work.
Q. Can groups of them share a Taxi?
Q. Can a partner/other family member/friend transport them to/from work?
Q.. Is there a bus service that can transport them to within a mile or so of work so that they can then walk the rest of the way ?
Q. Is cycling to work an option? ( if less than four miles...too far is not a valid reason not to )
Q. Have they asked their employers to provide a mini-bus service for them, if they were to pay the cost?
The article contiues with ''It is understood talks are taking place between the council and a number of bus companies for a possible answer but this has done little to ease the concerns of worried workers.''- surely the advert article would have been far more constructive if they had researched some background on these ''talks'' rather than just presenting such a lazy, disintetresting non story.
''THE full impact of proposed changes to the bus network were revealed yesterday with the revelation that up to 25 members of staff at the Blunsdon House Hotel would be forced to quit their job if they go ahead.'' WRONG, THEY WILL NOT BE FORCED TO QUIT, it just means that they will have to find another way to get to and from work. Q. Can groups of them share a Taxi? Q. Can a partner/other family member/friend transport them to/from work? Q.. Is there a bus service that can transport them to within a mile or so of work so that they can then walk the rest of the way ? Q. Is cycling to work an option? ( if less than four miles...too far is not a valid reason not to ) Q. Have they asked their employers to provide a mini-bus service for them, if they were to pay the cost? The article contiues with ''It is understood talks are taking place between the council and a number of bus companies for a possible answer but this has done little to ease the concerns of worried workers.''- surely the advert article would have been far more constructive if they had researched some background on these ''talks'' rather than just presenting such a lazy, disintetresting non story. themoonraker
  • Score: 6

12:54pm Wed 2 Apr 14

purplerose says...

When the bus was cut where i live everyone learnt to adapt without it it,s not ideal but i do understand that it is a waste of money sending a bus for a couple of people or no people at all nine times out of ten now i walk it,s easier to walk than get a bus as there are fewer bus,s. I,m sure everyone would like a bus whenever they want one but that is just not going to happen. I don't understand why these bus companies put bus,s on when they know they will probably not be used why don't they just add these place,s onto a bus that already runs near to Blunsdon and just go a little further instead of Blunsdon having a bus all to themselves that will not be used
When the bus was cut where i live everyone learnt to adapt without it it,s not ideal but i do understand that it is a waste of money sending a bus for a couple of people or no people at all nine times out of ten now i walk it,s easier to walk than get a bus as there are fewer bus,s. I,m sure everyone would like a bus whenever they want one but that is just not going to happen. I don't understand why these bus companies put bus,s on when they know they will probably not be used why don't they just add these place,s onto a bus that already runs near to Blunsdon and just go a little further instead of Blunsdon having a bus all to themselves that will not be used purplerose
  • Score: 2

1:08pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Davey Gravey says...

Although a pain in the backside for the staff it's not an issue that should cost anyone their job. Cycle, walk a bit from another bus stop it lift share.

When I started work at 6am in South marston and lived in west swindon as an 18 year old I got on my bike each morning. Horrible in the rain but had to be done.
Although a pain in the backside for the staff it's not an issue that should cost anyone their job. Cycle, walk a bit from another bus stop it lift share. When I started work at 6am in South marston and lived in west swindon as an 18 year old I got on my bike each morning. Horrible in the rain but had to be done. Davey Gravey
  • Score: 7

1:26pm Wed 2 Apr 14

beach1e says...

this council are quick enough to throw money at people that cant be bothered to work and their families yet when it comes to people that work and pay taxes this council turns it back....disgraceful
this council are quick enough to throw money at people that cant be bothered to work and their families yet when it comes to people that work and pay taxes this council turns it back....disgraceful beach1e
  • Score: -3

1:28pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Captain T says...

I don't know Blunsdon too well but does the Stagecoach service from Cirencester not pass through the village or if not, would it be a major diversion if it did?
I don't know Blunsdon too well but does the Stagecoach service from Cirencester not pass through the village or if not, would it be a major diversion if it did? Captain T
  • Score: 0

2:40pm Wed 2 Apr 14

swindonman89 says...

the service 51 services blunsdon 2 trips am only, but could be made permanent without much alterations
the service 51 services blunsdon 2 trips am only, but could be made permanent without much alterations swindonman89
  • Score: 0

3:15pm Wed 2 Apr 14

themoonraker says...

beach1e wrote:
this council are quick enough to throw money at people that cant be bothered to work and their families yet when it comes to people that work and pay taxes this council turns it back....disgraceful
we are talking about a bus service here, NOT a council service.
Put your axe away and grind it elsewhere!
[quote][p][bold]beach1e[/bold] wrote: this council are quick enough to throw money at people that cant be bothered to work and their families yet when it comes to people that work and pay taxes this council turns it back....disgraceful[/p][/quote]we are talking about a bus service here, NOT a council service. Put your axe away and grind it elsewhere! themoonraker
  • Score: 1

3:41pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Sir Fawn Maker says...

Even while the service is still running, the last 24 into town is about 5.30 - how do all the hotel staff that work after that cope I wonder
Even while the service is still running, the last 24 into town is about 5.30 - how do all the hotel staff that work after that cope I wonder Sir Fawn Maker
  • Score: 2

5:01pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Tyran66 says...

I fail to see how it is the hotel's fault all of a sudden that a bus service is being cancelled. After all the story is about a bus service being cancelled - if the people are forced to leave, many of whom will be on low wages (as the hospitality industry is low paid) new staff with self sufficient means of transport will simply fill the roles. It does seem unfair that they are forced into this decision by a third party. Anyway you cut it not something to hold against the hotel.

@Steve700 - I do not see that the hotel is officially expressing concern. Do you see a director's comment in the report? After all its a matter entirely beyond their control. Its the staff commenting, the ones that actually use the service - the ones that will suffer because of the bus company. Your way off with the idea that hotel's should automatically fill the void. I

Incidentally their is also Park View nursing home in Blunsdon, the staff their will be in a very similar position.
I fail to see how it is the hotel's fault all of a sudden that a bus service is being cancelled. After all the story is about a bus service being cancelled - if the people are forced to leave, many of whom will be on low wages (as the hospitality industry is low paid) new staff with self sufficient means of transport will simply fill the roles. It does seem unfair that they are forced into this decision by a third party. Anyway you cut it not something to hold against the hotel. @Steve700 - I do not see that the hotel is officially expressing concern. Do you see a director's comment in the report? After all its a matter entirely beyond their control. Its the staff commenting, the ones that actually use the service - the ones that will suffer because of the bus company. Your way off with the idea that hotel's should automatically fill the void. I Incidentally their is also Park View nursing home in Blunsdon, the staff their will be in a very similar position. Tyran66
  • Score: 0

5:30pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Robh says...

This story is not really about the employees it is about Thamesdown Transports cavalier attitude to the public. They have been altering bus services willy nilly without rhyme nor reason then saying some routes are not profitable. We could have and did tell them that when they changed them.
This story is not really about the employees it is about Thamesdown Transports cavalier attitude to the public. They have been altering bus services willy nilly without rhyme nor reason then saying some routes are not profitable. We could have and did tell them that when they changed them. Robh
  • Score: 4

5:31pm Wed 2 Apr 14

choccibear says...

If Blunsdon House value their staff then they should help out, after all they charge the public enough for accommodation, food, etc. Perhaps they could buy/subsidise a mini bus or taxis for the staff.
If Blunsdon House value their staff then they should help out, after all they charge the public enough for accommodation, food, etc. Perhaps they could buy/subsidise a mini bus or taxis for the staff. choccibear
  • Score: -1

7:01pm Wed 2 Apr 14

faatmaan says...

why are the plans for the future centre of Swindon heavily based around the bus, services are declining, costs are ever rising, time to consider a proper integrated transport solution for Swindon that offers accessibility to all parts of Swindon at affordable prices, all that is happening at the moment is a ever decreasing spiral of less passengers less services, the council needs to ac now before it is fully broken and beyond repair
why are the plans for the future centre of Swindon heavily based around the bus, services are declining, costs are ever rising, time to consider a proper integrated transport solution for Swindon that offers accessibility to all parts of Swindon at affordable prices, all that is happening at the moment is a ever decreasing spiral of less passengers less services, the council needs to ac now before it is fully broken and beyond repair faatmaan
  • Score: 6

7:10pm Wed 2 Apr 14

madreeves says...

LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
Good to see the local councillors and parish councillors stepping in to the debate....! Oh, they haven't, suprise suprise....!

They are probably all in hiding after their various commitments to ensuring Blunsdon kept a bus service after the routes were changed last Autumn.
I bet the residents of Blunsdon are missing Doreen Dart right now. She most certainly would have had something to say on the matter.
[quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: Good to see the local councillors and parish councillors stepping in to the debate....! Oh, they haven't, suprise suprise....! They are probably all in hiding after their various commitments to ensuring Blunsdon kept a bus service after the routes were changed last Autumn.[/p][/quote]I bet the residents of Blunsdon are missing Doreen Dart right now. She most certainly would have had something to say on the matter. madreeves
  • Score: 5

8:21pm Wed 2 Apr 14

house on the hill says...

Not sure why so many are saying the Council should do something about it, it is just basic economics. Presumably by your arguments, if Blunsdon House went bust the Council should continue to pay them? Why is it that so many think that everything should just stay the same when the world around them changes on a daily basis?

I loved the comment in the teachers dispute discussion where someone, presumably a teacher tried to defend our standards and results by saying, "we haven't got worse, its just that everyone else got better!". Pretty much sums up our society today, complacent, happy with being mediocre and would always rather find an excuse or apportion blame elsewhere than actually have any desire to change and improve.

If the bus service isn't profitable, then like everything else in the private sector, services will be cut or else the whole thing goes bust! Its called life!
Not sure why so many are saying the Council should do something about it, it is just basic economics. Presumably by your arguments, if Blunsdon House went bust the Council should continue to pay them? Why is it that so many think that everything should just stay the same when the world around them changes on a daily basis? I loved the comment in the teachers dispute discussion where someone, presumably a teacher tried to defend our standards and results by saying, "we haven't got worse, its just that everyone else got better!". Pretty much sums up our society today, complacent, happy with being mediocre and would always rather find an excuse or apportion blame elsewhere than actually have any desire to change and improve. If the bus service isn't profitable, then like everything else in the private sector, services will be cut or else the whole thing goes bust! Its called life! house on the hill
  • Score: 3

8:29pm Wed 2 Apr 14

timt1964 says...

oh no,the humanity!! the hardship! do what we all do and that is adapt instead of whining to the adver everytime something changes! alright its not great if the bus is cancelled but its not the end of the world either.if you think you have to quit your job then obviously you dont care or want the jobs.get over it and get on with it!
oh no,the humanity!! the hardship! do what we all do and that is adapt instead of whining to the adver everytime something changes! alright its not great if the bus is cancelled but its not the end of the world either.if you think you have to quit your job then obviously you dont care or want the jobs.get over it and get on with it! timt1964
  • Score: -1

8:42pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Tyran66 says...

Ironically its companies like Blunsdon house & Stagecoach that subsidise the council - NOT the other way around. I suspect that they will both be paying business rates of £300K a year + in return for absolutely nothing - No street lighting, not even a rubbish collection as commercial operations have to pay for everything themselves. On top of that they provide jobs locally, pay taxes locally and contribute services for the local population.

The ignorance of some people on here is astounding, do you really think that the £1300 a year you might pay in council tax will pay for all the services / subsidies provided?? Council services are built squarely on the back of strong local employers / businesses - they are essential for any area to prosper.
Ironically its companies like Blunsdon house & Stagecoach that subsidise the council - NOT the other way around. I suspect that they will both be paying business rates of £300K a year + in return for absolutely nothing - No street lighting, not even a rubbish collection as commercial operations have to pay for everything themselves. On top of that they provide jobs locally, pay taxes locally and contribute services for the local population. The ignorance of some people on here is astounding, do you really think that the £1300 a year you might pay in council tax will pay for all the services / subsidies provided?? Council services are built squarely on the back of strong local employers / businesses - they are essential for any area to prosper. Tyran66
  • Score: 3

10:15pm Wed 2 Apr 14

pallelli@hotmail.com says...

house on the hill wrote:
If I had a £1 for everyone with folded arms in an Adver photo, I could retire to the sunshine. Buses are a business not a charity, if the route doesn't make money how can you expect it to run? You wouldn't take a job that cost more in travelling than you earned, just a reality fact of life.
If bus services are business, then they are very odd businesses. Most business don't get handouts from the tax-payers. Our taxes pay for the direct subsidies to these companies, and they also pay for the bus passes enjoyed by OAPs which indirectly subsidies them . I suspect that without these subsidies the bus companies would soon go bust.

Since we tax-payers are helping to keep the bus companies in business, the decision to keep or axe a route should involve more than just an accountant's total. It should also include the "value" that the route provides to a community.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: If I had a £1 for everyone with folded arms in an Adver photo, I could retire to the sunshine. Buses are a business not a charity, if the route doesn't make money how can you expect it to run? You wouldn't take a job that cost more in travelling than you earned, just a reality fact of life.[/p][/quote]If bus services are business, then they are very odd businesses. Most business don't get handouts from the tax-payers. Our taxes pay for the direct subsidies to these companies, and they also pay for the bus passes enjoyed by OAPs which indirectly subsidies them . I suspect that without these subsidies the bus companies would soon go bust. Since we tax-payers are helping to keep the bus companies in business, the decision to keep or axe a route should involve more than just an accountant's total. It should also include the "value" that the route provides to a community. pallelli@hotmail.com
  • Score: 2

1:44am Thu 3 Apr 14

greenpacer says...

We need more operator competition. Get the council to give them an incentive to work out a workable cost effective route to suit everyone . Then give the winner the contract. Thamesdown Transport needs a boot up the back side !
We need more operator competition. Get the council to give them an incentive to work out a workable cost effective route to suit everyone . Then give the winner the contract. Thamesdown Transport needs a boot up the back side ! greenpacer
  • Score: 2

8:55am Thu 3 Apr 14

nigelej says...

beach1e wrote:
this council are quick enough to throw money at people that cant be bothered to work and their families yet when it comes to people that work and pay taxes this council turns it back....disgraceful
If you think that let me assure you .you live in a different town to me .
[quote][p][bold]beach1e[/bold] wrote: this council are quick enough to throw money at people that cant be bothered to work and their families yet when it comes to people that work and pay taxes this council turns it back....disgraceful[/p][/quote]If you think that let me assure you .you live in a different town to me . nigelej
  • Score: -3

9:42am Thu 3 Apr 14

Steve700 says...

Tyran66 wrote:
I fail to see how it is the hotel's fault all of a sudden that a bus service is being cancelled. After all the story is about a bus service being cancelled - if the people are forced to leave, many of whom will be on low wages (as the hospitality industry is low paid) new staff with self sufficient means of transport will simply fill the roles. It does seem unfair that they are forced into this decision by a third party. Anyway you cut it not something to hold against the hotel. @Steve700 - I do not see that the hotel is officially expressing concern. Do you see a director's comment in the report? After all its a matter entirely beyond their control. Its the staff commenting, the ones that actually use the service - the ones that will suffer because of the bus company. Your way off with the idea that hotel's should automatically fill the void. I Incidentally their is also Park View nursing home in Blunsdon, the staff their will be in a very similar position.
Val Dunbar, the payroll manager at the hotel, said: “In total there are 25 staff who will lose jobs if the bus is cancelled.

“It is absolutely ridiculous that Blunsdon could effectively be cut off by these changes.

“We understand there needs to be money saved but there also needs to be compromise. We have just been told the service will stop and that has left us in the lurch.

“Simply put, good members of staff will be forced to leave their jobs if there is no bus service. On top of that they will most likely be unable to claim benefits as they will have voluntarily left their job.”
[quote][p][bold]Tyran66[/bold] wrote: I fail to see how it is the hotel's fault all of a sudden that a bus service is being cancelled. After all the story is about a bus service being cancelled - if the people are forced to leave, many of whom will be on low wages (as the hospitality industry is low paid) new staff with self sufficient means of transport will simply fill the roles. It does seem unfair that they are forced into this decision by a third party. Anyway you cut it not something to hold against the hotel. @Steve700 - I do not see that the hotel is officially expressing concern. Do you see a director's comment in the report? After all its a matter entirely beyond their control. Its the staff commenting, the ones that actually use the service - the ones that will suffer because of the bus company. Your way off with the idea that hotel's should automatically fill the void. I Incidentally their is also Park View nursing home in Blunsdon, the staff their will be in a very similar position.[/p][/quote]Val Dunbar, the payroll manager at the hotel, said: “In total there are 25 staff who will lose jobs if the bus is cancelled. “It is absolutely ridiculous that Blunsdon could effectively be cut off by these changes. “We understand there needs to be money saved but there also needs to be compromise. We have just been told the service will stop and that has left us in the lurch. “Simply put, good members of staff will be forced to leave their jobs if there is no bus service. On top of that they will most likely be unable to claim benefits as they will have voluntarily left their job.” Steve700
  • Score: 0

10:58am Thu 3 Apr 14

Tyran66 says...

As I said - no official comment from the hotel at all. Just one of the employee's making a comment about the loss of bus service. Very quick to launch an unjustified attack at a one of Swindon's long standing local employers, aren't we?

Perhaps you should stop spouting populist dribble and learn to interpret the facts as presented, otherwise you risk being perceived as a bit of a plonker.
As I said - no official comment from the hotel at all. Just one of the employee's making a comment about the loss of bus service. Very quick to launch an unjustified attack at a one of Swindon's long standing local employers, aren't we? Perhaps you should stop spouting populist dribble and learn to interpret the facts as presented, otherwise you risk being perceived as a bit of a plonker. Tyran66
  • Score: -1

12:22pm Thu 3 Apr 14

themoonraker says...

Steve700 wrote:
Tyran66 wrote:
I fail to see how it is the hotel's fault all of a sudden that a bus service is being cancelled. After all the story is about a bus service being cancelled - if the people are forced to leave, many of whom will be on low wages (as the hospitality industry is low paid) new staff with self sufficient means of transport will simply fill the roles. It does seem unfair that they are forced into this decision by a third party. Anyway you cut it not something to hold against the hotel. @Steve700 - I do not see that the hotel is officially expressing concern. Do you see a director's comment in the report? After all its a matter entirely beyond their control. Its the staff commenting, the ones that actually use the service - the ones that will suffer because of the bus company. Your way off with the idea that hotel's should automatically fill the void. I Incidentally their is also Park View nursing home in Blunsdon, the staff their will be in a very similar position.
Val Dunbar, the payroll manager at the hotel, said: “In total there are 25 staff who will lose jobs if the bus is cancelled.

“It is absolutely ridiculous that Blunsdon could effectively be cut off by these changes.

“We understand there needs to be money saved but there also needs to be compromise. We have just been told the service will stop and that has left us in the lurch.

“Simply put, good members of staff will be forced to leave their jobs if there is no bus service. On top of that they will most likely be unable to claim benefits as they will have voluntarily left their job.”
NO, NO and NO AGAIN.....nobody will be forced to leave their jobs because a bus service is cancelled.
Val Dunbar's comment is ridiculous and smacks of a person who expects a bus service to deliver her door to door, sorry Val but there is a bus service that will drop you off pretty close to your work, I suspect that the real issue for you is that you cannot be bothered to walk a short distance.
If you want a door to door service then either arrange a lift or use a taxi, but don't expect the bus company to run an unprofitable route just for you and a few other people.
Oh, and as a footnote I am sure you will get little symapthy form others if you quit a job over this, there are enough other people around the town who will be losing their jobs through no fault of their own, they are the ones that deserve sympathy from the public and help from the government and not people like you.
.
[quote][p][bold]Steve700[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tyran66[/bold] wrote: I fail to see how it is the hotel's fault all of a sudden that a bus service is being cancelled. After all the story is about a bus service being cancelled - if the people are forced to leave, many of whom will be on low wages (as the hospitality industry is low paid) new staff with self sufficient means of transport will simply fill the roles. It does seem unfair that they are forced into this decision by a third party. Anyway you cut it not something to hold against the hotel. @Steve700 - I do not see that the hotel is officially expressing concern. Do you see a director's comment in the report? After all its a matter entirely beyond their control. Its the staff commenting, the ones that actually use the service - the ones that will suffer because of the bus company. Your way off with the idea that hotel's should automatically fill the void. I Incidentally their is also Park View nursing home in Blunsdon, the staff their will be in a very similar position.[/p][/quote]Val Dunbar, the payroll manager at the hotel, said: “In total there are 25 staff who will lose jobs if the bus is cancelled. “It is absolutely ridiculous that Blunsdon could effectively be cut off by these changes. “We understand there needs to be money saved but there also needs to be compromise. We have just been told the service will stop and that has left us in the lurch. “Simply put, good members of staff will be forced to leave their jobs if there is no bus service. On top of that they will most likely be unable to claim benefits as they will have voluntarily left their job.”[/p][/quote]NO, NO and NO AGAIN.....nobody will be forced to leave their jobs because a bus service is cancelled. Val Dunbar's comment is ridiculous and smacks of a person who expects a bus service to deliver her door to door, sorry Val but there is a bus service that will drop you off pretty close to your work, I suspect that the real issue for you is that you cannot be bothered to walk a short distance. If you want a door to door service then either arrange a lift or use a taxi, but don't expect the bus company to run an unprofitable route just for you and a few other people. Oh, and as a footnote I am sure you will get little symapthy form others if you quit a job over this, there are enough other people around the town who will be losing their jobs through no fault of their own, they are the ones that deserve sympathy from the public and help from the government and not people like you. . themoonraker
  • Score: 1

4:17pm Thu 3 Apr 14

GrumpyLocal says...

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
Blunsdon is hardly rural, and Swindon Council has no responsibility to subsidise a private business.

There's several bus routes that go reasonably close, the number 12 stops just a few minutes walk away from the hotel in Andrews Ridge. Buses can't always stop right on the doorstep of everyone that uses them.

Something else doesn't add up. They're suggesting people have to leave for work two hours earlier because the bus no longer stops at the Orbital? It doesn't take more than 20 minutes to walk to Blunsdon from the Orbital so I'm confused why people couldn't just get a bus to the Orbital and then walk the last bit?
Actually about 40 minutes at average walking speed https://maps.google.
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[quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: Blunsdon is hardly rural, and Swindon Council has no responsibility to subsidise a private business. There's several bus routes that go reasonably close, the number 12 stops just a few minutes walk away from the hotel in Andrews Ridge. Buses can't always stop right on the doorstep of everyone that uses them. Something else doesn't add up. They're suggesting people have to leave for work two hours earlier because the bus no longer stops at the Orbital? It doesn't take more than 20 minutes to walk to Blunsdon from the Orbital so I'm confused why people couldn't just get a bus to the Orbital and then walk the last bit?[/p][/quote]Actually about 40 minutes at average walking speed https://maps.google. co.uk/maps?saddr=Unk nown+road&daddr=Unkn own+road&hl=en&ll=51 .605118,-1.797166&sp n=0.023375,0.055747& sll=51.610742,-1.784 12&sspn=0.023372,0.0 55747&geocode=FVxLEw MdcnLk_w%3BFaiNEwMdn rLk_w&t=h&dirflg=w&m ra=ltm&z=15 GrumpyLocal
  • Score: 1

4:42pm Thu 3 Apr 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

GrumpyLocal wrote:
The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
Blunsdon is hardly rural, and Swindon Council has no responsibility to subsidise a private business.

There's several bus routes that go reasonably close, the number 12 stops just a few minutes walk away from the hotel in Andrews Ridge. Buses can't always stop right on the doorstep of everyone that uses them.

Something else doesn't add up. They're suggesting people have to leave for work two hours earlier because the bus no longer stops at the Orbital? It doesn't take more than 20 minutes to walk to Blunsdon from the Orbital so I'm confused why people couldn't just get a bus to the Orbital and then walk the last bit?
Actually about 40 minutes at average walking speed https://maps.google.

co.uk/maps?saddr=Unk

nown+road&daddr=
Unkn
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Apologies I'd forgotten the BH Hotel is a little bit further to walk, I was assuming walking to Blunsdon (the opposite side of the A419) rather than through into the middle. I regularly do this walk so 20 minutes tops is from (extensive) personal experience. I guess I must walk faster than the assumed average mph. Whichever figure you take it's still rather shorter (and better for you) than the claimed 2 hours bus ride though!
[quote][p][bold]GrumpyLocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: Blunsdon is hardly rural, and Swindon Council has no responsibility to subsidise a private business. There's several bus routes that go reasonably close, the number 12 stops just a few minutes walk away from the hotel in Andrews Ridge. Buses can't always stop right on the doorstep of everyone that uses them. Something else doesn't add up. They're suggesting people have to leave for work two hours earlier because the bus no longer stops at the Orbital? It doesn't take more than 20 minutes to walk to Blunsdon from the Orbital so I'm confused why people couldn't just get a bus to the Orbital and then walk the last bit?[/p][/quote]Actually about 40 minutes at average walking speed https://maps.google. co.uk/maps?saddr=Unk nown+road&daddr= Unkn own+road&hl=en&a mp;ll=51 .605118,-1.797166&am p;sp n=0.023375,0.055747& amp; sll=51.610742,-1.784 12&sspn=0.023372 ,0.0 55747&geocode=FV xLEw MdcnLk_w%3BFaiNEwMdn rLk_w&t=h&di rflg=w&m ra=ltm&z=15[/p][/quote]Apologies I'd forgotten the BH Hotel is a little bit further to walk, I was assuming walking to Blunsdon (the opposite side of the A419) rather than through into the middle. I regularly do this walk so 20 minutes tops is from (extensive) personal experience. I guess I must walk faster than the assumed average mph. Whichever figure you take it's still rather shorter (and better for you) than the claimed 2 hours bus ride though! The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: 0

7:46pm Thu 3 Apr 14

faatmaan says...

why do we have a council holding a golden share in the bus company cutting wherever possible, yet being prepared to let large amounts of money be spent on new facilities in future plans, yet they have no real credible business plan, the problem as I see it is most councillors elected are not competent enough business wise to organise a small party at Arkells, yet alone run a large borough like Swindon, we elect politicians not business people.
why do we have a council holding a golden share in the bus company cutting wherever possible, yet being prepared to let large amounts of money be spent on new facilities in future plans, yet they have no real credible business plan, the problem as I see it is most councillors elected are not competent enough business wise to organise a small party at Arkells, yet alone run a large borough like Swindon, we elect politicians not business people. faatmaan
  • Score: 0

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