UPDATE: Nick Martin resigns as Mayor, councillors and Scope react

This Is Wiltshire: Nick Martin resigns as Mayor Nick Martin resigns as Mayor

Swindon Mayor Nick Martin has officially resigned from the post this morning in the wake of a scandal over remarks he made about disabled people.

The Shaw ward councillor said he was considering his position last week after an inquiry by the standards committee found he had made a derogatory comment in a meeting last October.

Coun Martin has come under immense pressure to resign from the post of mayor after being asked to apologise for using derogatory language towards disabled people.

In the meeting, overheard by several other councillors, he said: “Are we still letting those Mongols have sex with each other?”

A standards committee investigation found the mayor to be in breach of the Members’ Code of Conduct because of what he said and ordered him to apologise.

In a letter to Swindon Council's Borough Solicitor Stephen Taylor, Coun Martin said:

"Dear Stephen, 

"It is with regret that I submit my resignation as Mayor of the Borough of Swindon with immediate effect.

"Following the accusations against me, I have cooperated with the independent Standards investigation, I have accepted the findings, I have made new apologies and am abiding by the other recommendations from the Standards Assessment Panel.

"However, it is clear that this will not stop the attacks on the Office and person of Mayor.  Therefore, I deem it best for the people of Swindon to resign.

"Yours sincerely, Coun Nick Martin".

Deputy Mayor Teresa Page will carry out mayoral duties until formally taking the position in June.

Leader of the Council David Renard and the Conservative Group said in a statement: "As we said at the Special Council in December, the Conservative Group wanted the Standards Committee to complete its independent investigation. 

"It has now done this, and Councillor Martin has accepted its findings and is meeting the three requirements it made of him. 

"The Group believes that it was the correct decision by Councillor Martin to stand down, following representations to him by Group Members.

"The Conservative Group stands by the Standards process. If Members are found in breach of the Code, we expect them to meet any conditions set out; where Members are exonerated, we consider the matter resolved. Anything further on the issue of the Mayoralty is a matter for the individual concerned."

Coun Mark Dempsey (Lab, Walcot & Park North) also released a statement reacting to the news. It read: "People across Swindon have recoiled in horror when they have read or heard the deeply offensive comments made by Nick Martin. 

"The CEO of Scope, the national disability charity said that these comments show a ‘deep-seated ignorance towards disabled people’. 

"In my view these comments were deeply disrespectful and offensive towards people with learning disabilities. 

"That’s is why I called for Nick Martin to stand down as Mayor. In my view he should have apologised and resigned a long time ago.

"I am disappointed that the Conservatives supported Nick Martin and did not act to remove him. I think they have shown that they are out of touch and it has been extremely damaging to the town’s reputation."

Richard Hawkes, chief executive of the disability charity Scope, said: 

"This wasn't just about political correctness and using the wrong words.

"The mayor insinuated that there is something wrong with disabled people having sex with each other.

"Disturbingly, his outdated comments showed a lack of acceptance that disabled people have sex lives, which can be just as fulfilling - or unfulfilling - as anyone else's.

"The outcry following the mayor's comments show that the general public don't condone this kind of deep-seated ignorance towards disabled people."

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11:31am Tue 15 Apr 14

House with no name says...

Well done all you conniving Labour councillors - all the time and effort you have spent in ridiculing the incumbent in the office of Mayor of Swindon has resulted in no glory for anyone and indeed has blighted your local politics.

it is such a pity you cannot put as much time and effort into sorting out all the problems you were actually elected to do.
Well done all you conniving Labour councillors - all the time and effort you have spent in ridiculing the incumbent in the office of Mayor of Swindon has resulted in no glory for anyone and indeed has blighted your local politics. it is such a pity you cannot put as much time and effort into sorting out all the problems you were actually elected to do. House with no name
  • Score: -48

11:58am Tue 15 Apr 14

John_Harris says...

"Let", Mr Martin? As in why aren't they forcibly prevented? it would be a funnier joke if that dreadful avenue hadn't already been explored. Eugenics jokes are even nastier than using offensive language.

What's missing from both your joke and your apology is the decency and respect that the people involved are due. Apologize properly, apologize fully, and then for goodness' sake stand down entirely from local politics - "If I do stand down it will be to campaign rather than over this issue" suggests you haven't the slightest intention of behaving honorably or even knowing why you ought.
"Let", Mr Martin? As in why aren't they forcibly prevented? it would be a funnier joke if that dreadful avenue hadn't already been explored. Eugenics jokes are even nastier than using offensive language. What's missing from both your joke and your apology is the decency and respect that the people involved are due. Apologize properly, apologize fully, and then for goodness' sake stand down entirely from local politics - "If I do stand down it will be to campaign rather than over this issue" suggests you haven't the slightest intention of behaving honorably or even knowing why you ought. John_Harris
  • Score: 39

12:14pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Richard Symonds says...

What an amazingly contrite letter of resignation!!

as if better would not melt in his mouth - pun intended
What an amazingly contrite letter of resignation!! as if better would not melt in his mouth - pun intended Richard Symonds
  • Score: 9

12:49pm Tue 15 Apr 14

stratton man says...

A graceless resignation letter from an unrepentent oaf.He remains President of the Swindon Conservative Party so they presumably approve of his views.This man should remove himself from public life tho no doubt he will try to keep his snout in the trough as long as possible.
A graceless resignation letter from an unrepentent oaf.He remains President of the Swindon Conservative Party so they presumably approve of his views.This man should remove himself from public life tho no doubt he will try to keep his snout in the trough as long as possible. stratton man
  • Score: 22

1:11pm Tue 15 Apr 14

house on the hill says...

House with no name wrote:
Well done all you conniving Labour councillors - all the time and effort you have spent in ridiculing the incumbent in the office of Mayor of Swindon has resulted in no glory for anyone and indeed has blighted your local politics.

it is such a pity you cannot put as much time and effort into sorting out all the problems you were actually elected to do.
That goes for all parties, they are all pretty useless, just look around at this town! To busy with their own agenda's and ego's to actually care about the people who elected them! Gave up voting a long time ago, they are all as bad as each other!
[quote][p][bold]House with no name[/bold] wrote: Well done all you conniving Labour councillors - all the time and effort you have spent in ridiculing the incumbent in the office of Mayor of Swindon has resulted in no glory for anyone and indeed has blighted your local politics. it is such a pity you cannot put as much time and effort into sorting out all the problems you were actually elected to do.[/p][/quote]That goes for all parties, they are all pretty useless, just look around at this town! To busy with their own agenda's and ego's to actually care about the people who elected them! Gave up voting a long time ago, they are all as bad as each other! house on the hill
  • Score: 2

1:18pm Tue 15 Apr 14

beach1e says...

why do we need to waste money on a mayor? what good do they do for the town? this town cant afford a mayor, there are far more important things that need money..not a vanity post that means someone gets to eat too much and get driven around and wear a bit of nasty jewellery.
why do we need to waste money on a mayor? what good do they do for the town? this town cant afford a mayor, there are far more important things that need money..not a vanity post that means someone gets to eat too much and get driven around and wear a bit of nasty jewellery. beach1e
  • Score: 11

1:32pm Tue 15 Apr 14

SomeoneWhoIsntMe says...

he looks like a toad
he looks like a toad SomeoneWhoIsntMe
  • Score: 4

2:42pm Tue 15 Apr 14

displayed says...

Official:
Mayor Martin has left the building, an hung up his gold chain.
Official: Mayor Martin has left the building, an hung up his gold chain. displayed
  • Score: 3

2:55pm Tue 15 Apr 14

snorwich4 says...

The question was a good one. I'm interested too.. what if they conceive a child? If they cannot independently look after themselves how can sex be encouraged? Down's Syndrome condition means that those people do look like Mongolian people. Black people aren't actually black. It's just a term. Mongol, black, spastic, special needs. It wasn't always offensive. In ten years no doubt the phrase 'Downs Syndrome' might be perceived as negative if the use of the language changes e.g.. children in school have now discovered that to be 'special needs' is a nasty label used by other bullying children. As a phrase it will have to be replaced. Give the guy a break.. The world has become crazily PC. Truth is entirely subjective and subject to fashion. So he wasn't up to date with the latest word.. the issue of whether certain people should be allowed to have children whether drug addicts or downs.. is an important one to ask for those that don't know what the official agreed stance is.
The question was a good one. I'm interested too.. what if they conceive a child? If they cannot independently look after themselves how can sex be encouraged? Down's Syndrome condition means that those people do look like Mongolian people. Black people aren't actually black. It's just a term. Mongol, black, spastic, special needs. It wasn't always offensive. In ten years no doubt the phrase 'Downs Syndrome' might be perceived as negative if the use of the language changes e.g.. children in school have now discovered that to be 'special needs' is a nasty label used by other bullying children. As a phrase it will have to be replaced. Give the guy a break.. The world has become crazily PC. Truth is entirely subjective and subject to fashion. So he wasn't up to date with the latest word.. the issue of whether certain people should be allowed to have children whether drug addicts or downs.. is an important one to ask for those that don't know what the official agreed stance is. snorwich4
  • Score: -25

3:09pm Tue 15 Apr 14

House with no name says...

The disgraceful Swindon Labour Councillors deliberately targeted the Conservative party and unfortunately the incumbent Mayor gave them the ammunition they used with unceasing determination for political point scoring which has belittled Swindon in the eyes of the world.

Well done Swindon Labour Councillors you must all be so very proud - this had absolutely nothing to do with the use of the term he used it was all down to local nobodies elected for representing the people of Swindon playing party politics with the result that Swindon's name is being ridiculed around the world.

Labour Councillors won this battle against one individual but the sole loser was Swindon.
The disgraceful Swindon Labour Councillors deliberately targeted the Conservative party and unfortunately the incumbent Mayor gave them the ammunition they used with unceasing determination for political point scoring which has belittled Swindon in the eyes of the world. Well done Swindon Labour Councillors you must all be so very proud - this had absolutely nothing to do with the use of the term he used it was all down to local nobodies elected for representing the people of Swindon playing party politics with the result that Swindon's name is being ridiculed around the world. Labour Councillors won this battle against one individual but the sole loser was Swindon. House with no name
  • Score: -26

3:55pm Tue 15 Apr 14

speaker2 says...

snorwich4 wrote:
The question was a good one. I'm interested too.. what if they conceive a child? If they cannot independently look after themselves how can sex be encouraged? Down's Syndrome condition means that those people do look like Mongolian people. Black people aren't actually black. It's just a term. Mongol, black, spastic, special needs. It wasn't always offensive. In ten years no doubt the phrase 'Downs Syndrome' might be perceived as negative if the use of the language changes e.g.. children in school have now discovered that to be 'special needs' is a nasty label used by other bullying children. As a phrase it will have to be replaced. Give the guy a break.. The world has become crazily PC. Truth is entirely subjective and subject to fashion. So he wasn't up to date with the latest word.. the issue of whether certain people should be allowed to have children whether drug addicts or downs.. is an important one to ask for those that don't know what the official agreed stance is.
You Racist, egotistical idiot
It is people like you and this txxt of a man, that don't deserve to even be human
[quote][p][bold]snorwich4[/bold] wrote: The question was a good one. I'm interested too.. what if they conceive a child? If they cannot independently look after themselves how can sex be encouraged? Down's Syndrome condition means that those people do look like Mongolian people. Black people aren't actually black. It's just a term. Mongol, black, spastic, special needs. It wasn't always offensive. In ten years no doubt the phrase 'Downs Syndrome' might be perceived as negative if the use of the language changes e.g.. children in school have now discovered that to be 'special needs' is a nasty label used by other bullying children. As a phrase it will have to be replaced. Give the guy a break.. The world has become crazily PC. Truth is entirely subjective and subject to fashion. So he wasn't up to date with the latest word.. the issue of whether certain people should be allowed to have children whether drug addicts or downs.. is an important one to ask for those that don't know what the official agreed stance is.[/p][/quote]You Racist, egotistical idiot It is people like you and this txxt of a man, that don't deserve to even be human speaker2
  • Score: 13

4:02pm Tue 15 Apr 14

John_Harris says...

snorwich4 wrote:
The question was a good one. I'm interested too.. what if they conceive a child? If they cannot independently look after themselves how can sex be encouraged? Down's Syndrome condition means that those people do look like Mongolian people. Black people aren't actually black. It's just a term. Mongol, black, spastic, special needs. It wasn't always offensive. In ten years no doubt the phrase 'Downs Syndrome' might be perceived as negative if the use of the language changes e.g.. children in school have now discovered that to be 'special needs' is a nasty label used by other bullying children. As a phrase it will have to be replaced. Give the guy a break.. The world has become crazily PC. Truth is entirely subjective and subject to fashion. So he wasn't up to date with the latest word.. the issue of whether certain people should be allowed to have children whether drug addicts or downs.. is an important one to ask for those that don't know what the official agreed stance is.
From Wikipedia: "With the rise of the eugenics movement, 33 of the then 48 U.S. states and several countries began programs of forced sterilization of individuals with Down syndrome".

Now, have a good think. Why do you suppose 33 of the then 48 U.S. states and several countries stopped their forcible sterilization programs. Do you think their reason for stopping was good enough?

And you still want to introduce it in Great Britain?
[quote][p][bold]snorwich4[/bold] wrote: The question was a good one. I'm interested too.. what if they conceive a child? If they cannot independently look after themselves how can sex be encouraged? Down's Syndrome condition means that those people do look like Mongolian people. Black people aren't actually black. It's just a term. Mongol, black, spastic, special needs. It wasn't always offensive. In ten years no doubt the phrase 'Downs Syndrome' might be perceived as negative if the use of the language changes e.g.. children in school have now discovered that to be 'special needs' is a nasty label used by other bullying children. As a phrase it will have to be replaced. Give the guy a break.. The world has become crazily PC. Truth is entirely subjective and subject to fashion. So he wasn't up to date with the latest word.. the issue of whether certain people should be allowed to have children whether drug addicts or downs.. is an important one to ask for those that don't know what the official agreed stance is.[/p][/quote]From Wikipedia: "With the rise of the eugenics movement, 33 of the then 48 U.S. states and several countries began programs of forced sterilization of individuals with Down syndrome". Now, have a good think. Why do you suppose 33 of the then 48 U.S. states and several countries stopped their forcible sterilization programs. Do you think their reason for stopping was good enough? And you still want to introduce it in Great Britain? John_Harris
  • Score: -2

4:41pm Tue 15 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

snorwich4 wrote:
The question was a good one. I'm interested too.. what if they conceive a child? If they cannot independently look after themselves how can sex be encouraged? Down's Syndrome condition means that those people do look like Mongolian people. Black people aren't actually black. It's just a term. Mongol, black, spastic, special needs. It wasn't always offensive. In ten years no doubt the phrase 'Downs Syndrome' might be perceived as negative if the use of the language changes e.g.. children in school have now discovered that to be 'special needs' is a nasty label used by other bullying children. As a phrase it will have to be replaced. Give the guy a break.. The world has become crazily PC. Truth is entirely subjective and subject to fashion. So he wasn't up to date with the latest word.. the issue of whether certain people should be allowed to have children whether drug addicts or downs.. is an important one to ask for those that don't know what the official agreed stance is.
Is this a wind up, or do you really believe the crap you type? The world hasn't become crazily PC, you moron - society has moved on for the better, and being gratuitously offensive on the basis of race, disability, gender, orientation etc is no longer acceptable.

So you are suggesting that only people you approve of can breed? It's a shame that bits of Swindon are obviously the last bastions of the third reich.

Think of the change in attitudes as a shift to a meritocracy - you now have to earn the right to be subject to abuse, and with your views, I think it's fair to say you are a complete tosser.
[quote][p][bold]snorwich4[/bold] wrote: The question was a good one. I'm interested too.. what if they conceive a child? If they cannot independently look after themselves how can sex be encouraged? Down's Syndrome condition means that those people do look like Mongolian people. Black people aren't actually black. It's just a term. Mongol, black, spastic, special needs. It wasn't always offensive. In ten years no doubt the phrase 'Downs Syndrome' might be perceived as negative if the use of the language changes e.g.. children in school have now discovered that to be 'special needs' is a nasty label used by other bullying children. As a phrase it will have to be replaced. Give the guy a break.. The world has become crazily PC. Truth is entirely subjective and subject to fashion. So he wasn't up to date with the latest word.. the issue of whether certain people should be allowed to have children whether drug addicts or downs.. is an important one to ask for those that don't know what the official agreed stance is.[/p][/quote]Is this a wind up, or do you really believe the crap you type? The world hasn't become crazily PC, you moron - society has moved on for the better, and being gratuitously offensive on the basis of race, disability, gender, orientation etc is no longer acceptable. So you are suggesting that only people you approve of can breed? It's a shame that bits of Swindon are obviously the last bastions of the third reich. Think of the change in attitudes as a shift to a meritocracy - you now have to earn the right to be subject to abuse, and with your views, I think it's fair to say you are a complete tosser. BeardyBill
  • Score: 13

4:48pm Tue 15 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

In a word, good. It's a shame the resignation lacked any grace, but the end result is still the right one.

On a final note, I didn't see any attacks in the Adver's comments attacking the office of Mayor - all the attacks were aimed squarely at Martin, and we're entirely justified in my book, given his appalling behaviour.
In a word, good. It's a shame the resignation lacked any grace, but the end result is still the right one. On a final note, I didn't see any attacks in the Adver's comments attacking the office of Mayor - all the attacks were aimed squarely at Martin, and we're entirely justified in my book, given his appalling behaviour. BeardyBill
  • Score: 3

4:50pm Tue 15 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

House with no name wrote:
Well done all you conniving Labour councillors - all the time and effort you have spent in ridiculing the incumbent in the office of Mayor of Swindon has resulted in no glory for anyone and indeed has blighted your local politics.

it is such a pity you cannot put as much time and effort into sorting out all the problems you were actually elected to do.
Are you a delusional paranoid? The only person who brought about ridicule of the office of Mayor was Martin. He should be ashamed.
[quote][p][bold]House with no name[/bold] wrote: Well done all you conniving Labour councillors - all the time and effort you have spent in ridiculing the incumbent in the office of Mayor of Swindon has resulted in no glory for anyone and indeed has blighted your local politics. it is such a pity you cannot put as much time and effort into sorting out all the problems you were actually elected to do.[/p][/quote]Are you a delusional paranoid? The only person who brought about ridicule of the office of Mayor was Martin. He should be ashamed. BeardyBill
  • Score: 7

4:56pm Tue 15 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

house on the hill wrote:
House with no name wrote:
Well done all you conniving Labour councillors - all the time and effort you have spent in ridiculing the incumbent in the office of Mayor of Swindon has resulted in no glory for anyone and indeed has blighted your local politics.

it is such a pity you cannot put as much time and effort into sorting out all the problems you were actually elected to do.
That goes for all parties, they are all pretty useless, just look around at this town! To busy with their own agenda's and ego's to actually care about the people who elected them! Gave up voting a long time ago, they are all as bad as each other!
If you don't vote, then you don't have the right to moan. If none of the parties appeal, vote independent, or even stand yourself.....by not voting you play into their hands, as they then rely on the hard-core supporters who would vote for a donkey provided it wears the right colour rosette.

If there is absolutely no other alternative, go along and spoil your ballot - at least it has to be counted.

Remember, people died to give you the right to vote - don't give up the right lightly.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]House with no name[/bold] wrote: Well done all you conniving Labour councillors - all the time and effort you have spent in ridiculing the incumbent in the office of Mayor of Swindon has resulted in no glory for anyone and indeed has blighted your local politics. it is such a pity you cannot put as much time and effort into sorting out all the problems you were actually elected to do.[/p][/quote]That goes for all parties, they are all pretty useless, just look around at this town! To busy with their own agenda's and ego's to actually care about the people who elected them! Gave up voting a long time ago, they are all as bad as each other![/p][/quote]If you don't vote, then you don't have the right to moan. If none of the parties appeal, vote independent, or even stand yourself.....by not voting you play into their hands, as they then rely on the hard-core supporters who would vote for a donkey provided it wears the right colour rosette. If there is absolutely no other alternative, go along and spoil your ballot - at least it has to be counted. Remember, people died to give you the right to vote - don't give up the right lightly. BeardyBill
  • Score: 7

5:04pm Tue 15 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

House with no name wrote:
The disgraceful Swindon Labour Councillors deliberately targeted the Conservative party and unfortunately the incumbent Mayor gave them the ammunition they used with unceasing determination for political point scoring which has belittled Swindon in the eyes of the world.

Well done Swindon Labour Councillors you must all be so very proud - this had absolutely nothing to do with the use of the term he used it was all down to local nobodies elected for representing the people of Swindon playing party politics with the result that Swindon's name is being ridiculed around the world.

Labour Councillors won this battle against one individual but the sole loser was Swindon.
You die-hard Tories are really not very smart are you? No doubt Martin hoped that by resigning, it would draw a line under the whole sorry issue - and then up you pop to try and have the last word, and spark things up again!

Swindon's name was ridiculed by the words of one man, and the actions of his Tory colleagues who made the choice to vote for party loyalty, rather than what was right.....yet you are still unable to accept responsibility.

Move on, or keep the debate alive.....it's up to you.
[quote][p][bold]House with no name[/bold] wrote: The disgraceful Swindon Labour Councillors deliberately targeted the Conservative party and unfortunately the incumbent Mayor gave them the ammunition they used with unceasing determination for political point scoring which has belittled Swindon in the eyes of the world. Well done Swindon Labour Councillors you must all be so very proud - this had absolutely nothing to do with the use of the term he used it was all down to local nobodies elected for representing the people of Swindon playing party politics with the result that Swindon's name is being ridiculed around the world. Labour Councillors won this battle against one individual but the sole loser was Swindon.[/p][/quote]You die-hard Tories are really not very smart are you? No doubt Martin hoped that by resigning, it would draw a line under the whole sorry issue - and then up you pop to try and have the last word, and spark things up again! Swindon's name was ridiculed by the words of one man, and the actions of his Tory colleagues who made the choice to vote for party loyalty, rather than what was right.....yet you are still unable to accept responsibility. Move on, or keep the debate alive.....it's up to you. BeardyBill
  • Score: 1

5:36pm Tue 15 Apr 14

House with no name says...

I really do hope the general opinions expressed here are not representative of all the decent people of Swindon - Any thinking person will know this has all been brought about by imbittered individuals hiding behind the masquerade of Labour Councillors attempting to bring down the Conservative hierarchy - It has absolutely nothing to do what comments the Mayor made.

This has now become a Witch hunt orchestrated by certain Labour councillors intent on political point scoring - but they cannot comprehend the damage being caused to the reputation of Swindon which is already in the gutter.

By the way I have absolutely no political allegiance to any party believing that most (but not all) so called local politicians are fanatical towards their own political party and self importance - Just look at the state of this Town.
I really do hope the general opinions expressed here are not representative of all the decent people of Swindon - Any thinking person will know this has all been brought about by imbittered individuals hiding behind the masquerade of Labour Councillors attempting to bring down the Conservative hierarchy - It has absolutely nothing to do what comments the Mayor made. This has now become a Witch hunt orchestrated by certain Labour councillors intent on political point scoring - but they cannot comprehend the damage being caused to the reputation of Swindon which is already in the gutter. By the way I have absolutely no political allegiance to any party believing that most (but not all) so called local politicians are fanatical towards their own political party and self importance - Just look at the state of this Town. House with no name
  • Score: -7

5:46pm Tue 15 Apr 14

beach1e says...

House with no name wrote:
I really do hope the general opinions expressed here are not representative of all the decent people of Swindon - Any thinking person will know this has all been brought about by imbittered individuals hiding behind the masquerade of Labour Councillors attempting to bring down the Conservative hierarchy - It has absolutely nothing to do what comments the Mayor made.

This has now become a Witch hunt orchestrated by certain Labour councillors intent on political point scoring - but they cannot comprehend the damage being caused to the reputation of Swindon which is already in the gutter.

By the way I have absolutely no political allegiance to any party believing that most (but not all) so called local politicians are fanatical towards their own political party and self importance - Just look at the state of this Town.
I think the reputation of Swindon council and all its public servants is in the gutter already. this council and its cronies have zero respect for the people of this town and only have their own interests at heart. It would be a great move if they all resigned and had to fight to get back into office, they would need to look seriously at all the money they waste on their own folly schemes which generally are not what the people who pay their wages want. This town is in the gutter because of the people who foolishly have been given the job of running it.
[quote][p][bold]House with no name[/bold] wrote: I really do hope the general opinions expressed here are not representative of all the decent people of Swindon - Any thinking person will know this has all been brought about by imbittered individuals hiding behind the masquerade of Labour Councillors attempting to bring down the Conservative hierarchy - It has absolutely nothing to do what comments the Mayor made. This has now become a Witch hunt orchestrated by certain Labour councillors intent on political point scoring - but they cannot comprehend the damage being caused to the reputation of Swindon which is already in the gutter. By the way I have absolutely no political allegiance to any party believing that most (but not all) so called local politicians are fanatical towards their own political party and self importance - Just look at the state of this Town.[/p][/quote]I think the reputation of Swindon council and all its public servants is in the gutter already. this council and its cronies have zero respect for the people of this town and only have their own interests at heart. It would be a great move if they all resigned and had to fight to get back into office, they would need to look seriously at all the money they waste on their own folly schemes which generally are not what the people who pay their wages want. This town is in the gutter because of the people who foolishly have been given the job of running it. beach1e
  • Score: 0

6:37pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Davey Gravey says...

Is house with no name Nick Martin ?
Is house with no name Nick Martin ? Davey Gravey
  • Score: -1

6:41pm Tue 15 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

House with no name wrote:
I really do hope the general opinions expressed here are not representative of all the decent people of Swindon - Any thinking person will know this has all been brought about by imbittered individuals hiding behind the masquerade of Labour Councillors attempting to bring down the Conservative hierarchy - It has absolutely nothing to do what comments the Mayor made.

This has now become a Witch hunt orchestrated by certain Labour councillors intent on political point scoring - but they cannot comprehend the damage being caused to the reputation of Swindon which is already in the gutter.

By the way I have absolutely no political allegiance to any party believing that most (but not all) so called local politicians are fanatical towards their own political party and self importance - Just look at the state of this Town.
You claim to have no allegiance to any political party, yet not a word condemning Martin for his offensive attitudes, not a word against the Conservative Councillors who voted along purely party lines to try and keep him in his job, yet vitriol by the bucket load against un identified Labour councillors, who you claim are intent on political point scoring.....you are either the pot or the kettle in this scenario.

As for the majority of the opinions I've seen on here, I take heart that there are a majority who are tolerant, know the fundamental difference between right and wrong, and are prepared to speak up.

To claim anyone who spoke out against Martin's outrageous comments is responsible for damaging the reputation of Swindon is as stupid an argument as blaming the police for crime.
[quote][p][bold]House with no name[/bold] wrote: I really do hope the general opinions expressed here are not representative of all the decent people of Swindon - Any thinking person will know this has all been brought about by imbittered individuals hiding behind the masquerade of Labour Councillors attempting to bring down the Conservative hierarchy - It has absolutely nothing to do what comments the Mayor made. This has now become a Witch hunt orchestrated by certain Labour councillors intent on political point scoring - but they cannot comprehend the damage being caused to the reputation of Swindon which is already in the gutter. By the way I have absolutely no political allegiance to any party believing that most (but not all) so called local politicians are fanatical towards their own political party and self importance - Just look at the state of this Town.[/p][/quote]You claim to have no allegiance to any political party, yet not a word condemning Martin for his offensive attitudes, not a word against the Conservative Councillors who voted along purely party lines to try and keep him in his job, yet vitriol by the bucket load against un identified Labour councillors, who you claim are intent on political point scoring.....you are either the pot or the kettle in this scenario. As for the majority of the opinions I've seen on here, I take heart that there are a majority who are tolerant, know the fundamental difference between right and wrong, and are prepared to speak up. To claim anyone who spoke out against Martin's outrageous comments is responsible for damaging the reputation of Swindon is as stupid an argument as blaming the police for crime. BeardyBill
  • Score: 2

6:46pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Robh says...

What is bad is that he probably expressed a thought that the majority of people would agree with. Trouble is he said it out loud so that a couple of nosey Labour councillors overheard.
What is bad is that he probably expressed a thought that the majority of people would agree with. Trouble is he said it out loud so that a couple of nosey Labour councillors overheard. Robh
  • Score: -5

7:23pm Tue 15 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

Robh wrote:
What is bad is that he probably expressed a thought that the majority of people would agree with. Trouble is he said it out loud so that a couple of nosey Labour councillors overheard.
Maybe the majority of people you socialise with......oh what fun you must have, singing your drinking songs, dressing up in your black shirts, and marching through Poland.....
[quote][p][bold]Robh[/bold] wrote: What is bad is that he probably expressed a thought that the majority of people would agree with. Trouble is he said it out loud so that a couple of nosey Labour councillors overheard.[/p][/quote]Maybe the majority of people you socialise with......oh what fun you must have, singing your drinking songs, dressing up in your black shirts, and marching through Poland..... BeardyBill
  • Score: 5

9:29pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Oik1 says...

" yet not a word condemning Martin for his offensive attitudes, not a word against the Conservative Councillors who voted along purely party lines to try and keep him in his job,"

You won't hear a word said against this waste of a human skin from some quarters, let's be honest, with his views on disabled people Martin is now fully qualified to sit on the front benches of the Conservative Party.
Anybody remember the public reaction to George Osbourne at the Olympic games?
" yet not a word condemning Martin for his offensive attitudes, not a word against the Conservative Councillors who voted along purely party lines to try and keep him in his job," You won't hear a word said against this waste of a human skin from some quarters, let's be honest, with his views on disabled people Martin is now fully qualified to sit on the front benches of the Conservative Party. Anybody remember the public reaction to George Osbourne at the Olympic games? Oik1
  • Score: 1

9:39pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Really how can this mans actions be defended on any level?
If you are in a position of responsibility such as this your conduct should be that of a responsible person.
This clearly wasnt...
Really how can this mans actions be defended on any level? If you are in a position of responsibility such as this your conduct should be that of a responsible person. This clearly wasnt... Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 1

9:42pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

House with no name wrote:
Well done all you conniving Labour councillors - all the time and effort you have spent in ridiculing the incumbent in the office of Mayor of Swindon has resulted in no glory for anyone and indeed has blighted your local politics.

it is such a pity you cannot put as much time and effort into sorting out all the problems you were actually elected to do.
So if he had been racist that would of been fine as well?
This type of conduct should be highlighted should they not?
[quote][p][bold]House with no name[/bold] wrote: Well done all you conniving Labour councillors - all the time and effort you have spent in ridiculing the incumbent in the office of Mayor of Swindon has resulted in no glory for anyone and indeed has blighted your local politics. it is such a pity you cannot put as much time and effort into sorting out all the problems you were actually elected to do.[/p][/quote]So if he had been racist that would of been fine as well? This type of conduct should be highlighted should they not? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 0

11:12pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Robh says...

BeardyBill wrote:
Robh wrote:
What is bad is that he probably expressed a thought that the majority of people would agree with. Trouble is he said it out loud so that a couple of nosey Labour councillors overheard.
Maybe the majority of people you socialise with......oh what fun you must have, singing your drinking songs, dressing up in your black shirts, and marching through Poland.....
Typical tripe from BB the man with no name. I was struck down with a severe disability 4 years ago but because I don't wear a label so I know how kind and caring people like you are jostling me around and letting kids make fun of me in the pub. If you think smart anus comments like yours puts the world to rights you are very misguided.
[quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robh[/bold] wrote: What is bad is that he probably expressed a thought that the majority of people would agree with. Trouble is he said it out loud so that a couple of nosey Labour councillors overheard.[/p][/quote]Maybe the majority of people you socialise with......oh what fun you must have, singing your drinking songs, dressing up in your black shirts, and marching through Poland.....[/p][/quote]Typical tripe from BB the man with no name. I was struck down with a severe disability 4 years ago but because I don't wear a label so I know how kind and caring people like you are jostling me around and letting kids make fun of me in the pub. If you think smart anus comments like yours puts the world to rights you are very misguided. Robh
  • Score: 0

8:06am Wed 16 Apr 14

house on the hill says...

BeardyBill wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
House with no name wrote:
Well done all you conniving Labour councillors - all the time and effort you have spent in ridiculing the incumbent in the office of Mayor of Swindon has resulted in no glory for anyone and indeed has blighted your local politics.

it is such a pity you cannot put as much time and effort into sorting out all the problems you were actually elected to do.
That goes for all parties, they are all pretty useless, just look around at this town! To busy with their own agenda's and ego's to actually care about the people who elected them! Gave up voting a long time ago, they are all as bad as each other!
If you don't vote, then you don't have the right to moan. If none of the parties appeal, vote independent, or even stand yourself.....by not voting you play into their hands, as they then rely on the hard-core supporters who would vote for a donkey provided it wears the right colour rosette.

If there is absolutely no other alternative, go along and spoil your ballot - at least it has to be counted.

Remember, people died to give you the right to vote - don't give up the right lightly.
I also have the right not to vote if I feel there is nothing worth voting for, I am not one who just picks the best of a bad job "because i ought to!" They are all as bad as each other hence why it goes from one party to the other and back again and I will bet you that 90% of those who vote couldn't tell you what is in the manifesto, they are just sheep. The system is flawed and I cant change it and I just get on with my life the best I can.

As for dying for the vote, millions died in world wars to save our "freedom" and just how much do we really have? we have the most cctv cameras per capita of any country in the world, a corrupt government and uncaring corrupt businesses who control far more than governments ever do, so I am sorry but the whole thing is a joke and I have better things to do than choose to vote for one puffed up egotist over another thanks!
[quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]House with no name[/bold] wrote: Well done all you conniving Labour councillors - all the time and effort you have spent in ridiculing the incumbent in the office of Mayor of Swindon has resulted in no glory for anyone and indeed has blighted your local politics. it is such a pity you cannot put as much time and effort into sorting out all the problems you were actually elected to do.[/p][/quote]That goes for all parties, they are all pretty useless, just look around at this town! To busy with their own agenda's and ego's to actually care about the people who elected them! Gave up voting a long time ago, they are all as bad as each other![/p][/quote]If you don't vote, then you don't have the right to moan. If none of the parties appeal, vote independent, or even stand yourself.....by not voting you play into their hands, as they then rely on the hard-core supporters who would vote for a donkey provided it wears the right colour rosette. If there is absolutely no other alternative, go along and spoil your ballot - at least it has to be counted. Remember, people died to give you the right to vote - don't give up the right lightly.[/p][/quote]I also have the right not to vote if I feel there is nothing worth voting for, I am not one who just picks the best of a bad job "because i ought to!" They are all as bad as each other hence why it goes from one party to the other and back again and I will bet you that 90% of those who vote couldn't tell you what is in the manifesto, they are just sheep. The system is flawed and I cant change it and I just get on with my life the best I can. As for dying for the vote, millions died in world wars to save our "freedom" and just how much do we really have? we have the most cctv cameras per capita of any country in the world, a corrupt government and uncaring corrupt businesses who control far more than governments ever do, so I am sorry but the whole thing is a joke and I have better things to do than choose to vote for one puffed up egotist over another thanks! house on the hill
  • Score: 0

9:42am Wed 16 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

house on the hill wrote:
BeardyBill wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
House with no name wrote:
Well done all you conniving Labour councillors - all the time and effort you have spent in ridiculing the incumbent in the office of Mayor of Swindon has resulted in no glory for anyone and indeed has blighted your local politics.

it is such a pity you cannot put as much time and effort into sorting out all the problems you were actually elected to do.
That goes for all parties, they are all pretty useless, just look around at this town! To busy with their own agenda's and ego's to actually care about the people who elected them! Gave up voting a long time ago, they are all as bad as each other!
If you don't vote, then you don't have the right to moan. If none of the parties appeal, vote independent, or even stand yourself.....by not voting you play into their hands, as they then rely on the hard-core supporters who would vote for a donkey provided it wears the right colour rosette.

If there is absolutely no other alternative, go along and spoil your ballot - at least it has to be counted.

Remember, people died to give you the right to vote - don't give up the right lightly.
I also have the right not to vote if I feel there is nothing worth voting for, I am not one who just picks the best of a bad job "because i ought to!" They are all as bad as each other hence why it goes from one party to the other and back again and I will bet you that 90% of those who vote couldn't tell you what is in the manifesto, they are just sheep. The system is flawed and I cant change it and I just get on with my life the best I can.

As for dying for the vote, millions died in world wars to save our "freedom" and just how much do we really have? we have the most cctv cameras per capita of any country in the world, a corrupt government and uncaring corrupt businesses who control far more than governments ever do, so I am sorry but the whole thing is a joke and I have better things to do than choose to vote for one puffed up egotist over another thanks!
So you choose not to vote....ok, so just HOW are you going to bring about change?

Like I said, if there is no-one you can vote for, then stand yourself. If that's not an option, spoil your ballot -it's still counted, and would create a fantastic challenge to legitimacy if an election turned up a significant number of NOTAs.

I completely agree with you about the corruption and CCTV, but by not voting you are giving tacit approval.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]House with no name[/bold] wrote: Well done all you conniving Labour councillors - all the time and effort you have spent in ridiculing the incumbent in the office of Mayor of Swindon has resulted in no glory for anyone and indeed has blighted your local politics. it is such a pity you cannot put as much time and effort into sorting out all the problems you were actually elected to do.[/p][/quote]That goes for all parties, they are all pretty useless, just look around at this town! To busy with their own agenda's and ego's to actually care about the people who elected them! Gave up voting a long time ago, they are all as bad as each other![/p][/quote]If you don't vote, then you don't have the right to moan. If none of the parties appeal, vote independent, or even stand yourself.....by not voting you play into their hands, as they then rely on the hard-core supporters who would vote for a donkey provided it wears the right colour rosette. If there is absolutely no other alternative, go along and spoil your ballot - at least it has to be counted. Remember, people died to give you the right to vote - don't give up the right lightly.[/p][/quote]I also have the right not to vote if I feel there is nothing worth voting for, I am not one who just picks the best of a bad job "because i ought to!" They are all as bad as each other hence why it goes from one party to the other and back again and I will bet you that 90% of those who vote couldn't tell you what is in the manifesto, they are just sheep. The system is flawed and I cant change it and I just get on with my life the best I can. As for dying for the vote, millions died in world wars to save our "freedom" and just how much do we really have? we have the most cctv cameras per capita of any country in the world, a corrupt government and uncaring corrupt businesses who control far more than governments ever do, so I am sorry but the whole thing is a joke and I have better things to do than choose to vote for one puffed up egotist over another thanks![/p][/quote]So you choose not to vote....ok, so just HOW are you going to bring about change? Like I said, if there is no-one you can vote for, then stand yourself. If that's not an option, spoil your ballot -it's still counted, and would create a fantastic challenge to legitimacy if an election turned up a significant number of NOTAs. I completely agree with you about the corruption and CCTV, but by not voting you are giving tacit approval. BeardyBill
  • Score: 1

10:04am Wed 16 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

Robh wrote:
BeardyBill wrote:
Robh wrote:
What is bad is that he probably expressed a thought that the majority of people would agree with. Trouble is he said it out loud so that a couple of nosey Labour councillors overheard.
Maybe the majority of people you socialise with......oh what fun you must have, singing your drinking songs, dressing up in your black shirts, and marching through Poland.....
Typical tripe from BB the man with no name. I was struck down with a severe disability 4 years ago but because I don't wear a label so I know how kind and caring people like you are jostling me around and letting kids make fun of me in the pub. If you think smart anus comments like yours puts the world to rights you are very misguided.
Oh dear RobH, have you been at the cough mixture? let's dissect your rant, line by line:
"BB the man with no name" - not sure what your point is here, there is actually quite a big clue to my name, and my distinguishing facial hair, in my online persona;
"I was struck down......" - that is very unfortunate. What I find very sad however is your complete lack of sympathy for others in an unfortunate position;
"Kind and caring people like you" - you don't know me or anything about me, so how can you make this statement?
"Jostling me around..." - you being jostled or harassed in any way is unacceptable, and just plain wrong;
"Kids making fun of me in the pub" - again, absolutely unacceptable and I can guarantee no child of mine would do that.

You have obviously been subjected to completely unacceptable abuse and unkindness, and this has made you bitter - you've suffered, so I can't understand why you are not able to stand up for others who are being abused? Two wrongs don't make a right.

As for "smart anus" comments not making a difference, do you think Martin would have stood down if it hadn't been for the furore on here, and other social media sites? The fact is, the world is a very slightly better place now that he has resigned, and that was entirely down to the good people of Swindon standing up and making his position untenable. Ok, so it's not exactly the Arab spring, but I felt a little bit of pride for being a small part of it.
[quote][p][bold]Robh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robh[/bold] wrote: What is bad is that he probably expressed a thought that the majority of people would agree with. Trouble is he said it out loud so that a couple of nosey Labour councillors overheard.[/p][/quote]Maybe the majority of people you socialise with......oh what fun you must have, singing your drinking songs, dressing up in your black shirts, and marching through Poland.....[/p][/quote]Typical tripe from BB the man with no name. I was struck down with a severe disability 4 years ago but because I don't wear a label so I know how kind and caring people like you are jostling me around and letting kids make fun of me in the pub. If you think smart anus comments like yours puts the world to rights you are very misguided.[/p][/quote]Oh dear RobH, have you been at the cough mixture? let's dissect your rant, line by line: "BB the man with no name" - not sure what your point is here, there is actually quite a big clue to my name, and my distinguishing facial hair, in my online persona; "I was struck down......" - that is very unfortunate. What I find very sad however is your complete lack of sympathy for others in an unfortunate position; "Kind and caring people like you" - you don't know me or anything about me, so how can you make this statement? "Jostling me around..." - you being jostled or harassed in any way is unacceptable, and just plain wrong; "Kids making fun of me in the pub" - again, absolutely unacceptable and I can guarantee no child of mine would do that. You have obviously been subjected to completely unacceptable abuse and unkindness, and this has made you bitter - you've suffered, so I can't understand why you are not able to stand up for others who are being abused? Two wrongs don't make a right. As for "smart anus" comments not making a difference, do you think Martin would have stood down if it hadn't been for the furore on here, and other social media sites? The fact is, the world is a very slightly better place now that he has resigned, and that was entirely down to the good people of Swindon standing up and making his position untenable. Ok, so it's not exactly the Arab spring, but I felt a little bit of pride for being a small part of it. BeardyBill
  • Score: 2

11:20am Wed 16 Apr 14

Robh says...

It is not a question of standing up for others with disabilities it is the recognition that a comment made in a private meeting which was overheard should not have been made public. It is similar to the 'jungle drums' incident. Perhaps everyone attending these private meetings should be given a formal caution and advised not to use old fashioned terms.
It is not a question of standing up for others with disabilities it is the recognition that a comment made in a private meeting which was overheard should not have been made public. It is similar to the 'jungle drums' incident. Perhaps everyone attending these private meetings should be given a formal caution and advised not to use old fashioned terms. Robh
  • Score: 2

11:37am Wed 16 Apr 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Are you suggesting that children would not of made fun of you if more like Martin were in positions of power?
I would suggest that many of his friends and family will soon be at the age where aid will be required......dresse
d, bathroom, eating etc...
Mr Martin will be glad that not all share his arrogant thoughts when he is sat in a full nappy,,,oh sorry that probably wont happen as he will go to an expensive home where he will be professionally cared for, which is why he can AFFORD to have the opinion he does.
I seriously doubt he cares about the situation at all past his own changing circumstance. What kind of moron would want this as a head of ANY organisation??
Are you suggesting that children would not of made fun of you if more like Martin were in positions of power? I would suggest that many of his friends and family will soon be at the age where aid will be required......dresse d, bathroom, eating etc... Mr Martin will be glad that not all share his arrogant thoughts when he is sat in a full nappy,,,oh sorry that probably wont happen as he will go to an expensive home where he will be professionally cared for, which is why he can AFFORD to have the opinion he does. I seriously doubt he cares about the situation at all past his own changing circumstance. What kind of moron would want this as a head of ANY organisation?? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -1

11:46am Wed 16 Apr 14

Robh says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
Are you suggesting that children would not of made fun of you if more like Martin were in positions of power?
I would suggest that many of his friends and family will soon be at the age where aid will be required......dresse

d, bathroom, eating etc...
Mr Martin will be glad that not all share his arrogant thoughts when he is sat in a full nappy,,,oh sorry that probably wont happen as he will go to an expensive home where he will be professionally cared for, which is why he can AFFORD to have the opinion he does.
I seriously doubt he cares about the situation at all past his own changing circumstance. What kind of moron would want this as a head of ANY organisation??
A lot of silly assumptions and comments the only morons are the ones who like this kind of comment.
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: Are you suggesting that children would not of made fun of you if more like Martin were in positions of power? I would suggest that many of his friends and family will soon be at the age where aid will be required......dresse d, bathroom, eating etc... Mr Martin will be glad that not all share his arrogant thoughts when he is sat in a full nappy,,,oh sorry that probably wont happen as he will go to an expensive home where he will be professionally cared for, which is why he can AFFORD to have the opinion he does. I seriously doubt he cares about the situation at all past his own changing circumstance. What kind of moron would want this as a head of ANY organisation??[/p][/quote]A lot of silly assumptions and comments the only morons are the ones who like this kind of comment. Robh
  • Score: 2

11:56am Wed 16 Apr 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Robh wrote:
What is bad is that he probably expressed a thought that the majority of people would agree with. Trouble is he said it out loud so that a couple of nosey Labour councillors overheard.
What is bad is that you can either be so arrogant or ignorant to think your statement is anything but vile.
It says allot more about your associations than someone being reported for unacceptable behavior.
Maybe I am wrong is this type of comment acceptable?
[quote][p][bold]Robh[/bold] wrote: What is bad is that he probably expressed a thought that the majority of people would agree with. Trouble is he said it out loud so that a couple of nosey Labour councillors overheard.[/p][/quote]What is bad is that you can either be so arrogant or ignorant to think your statement is anything but vile. It says allot more about your associations than someone being reported for unacceptable behavior. Maybe I am wrong is this type of comment acceptable? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -2

11:59am Wed 16 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

Robh wrote:
It is not a question of standing up for others with disabilities it is the recognition that a comment made in a private meeting which was overheard should not have been made public. It is similar to the 'jungle drums' incident. Perhaps everyone attending these private meetings should be given a formal caution and advised not to use old fashioned terms.
No. If you are in a position of public trust, where you are elected by the public, you lose the right to express private views. If you stand for election, the public have the absolute right to know what your opinion is on a given subject, so they can exercise their judgement whether they agree with you or not at the ballot box.

If Martin had wanted to keep his thoughts private, he should have kept his big mouth shut. If He wants to keep his utterances private (or at least irrelevant), then give up the elected position and associated allowances - become a normal bloke in the street, and no-one will care what he says.
[quote][p][bold]Robh[/bold] wrote: It is not a question of standing up for others with disabilities it is the recognition that a comment made in a private meeting which was overheard should not have been made public. It is similar to the 'jungle drums' incident. Perhaps everyone attending these private meetings should be given a formal caution and advised not to use old fashioned terms.[/p][/quote]No. If you are in a position of public trust, where you are elected by the public, you lose the right to express private views. If you stand for election, the public have the absolute right to know what your opinion is on a given subject, so they can exercise their judgement whether they agree with you or not at the ballot box. If Martin had wanted to keep his thoughts private, he should have kept his big mouth shut. If He wants to keep his utterances private (or at least irrelevant), then give up the elected position and associated allowances - become a normal bloke in the street, and no-one will care what he says. BeardyBill
  • Score: 2

12:05pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Robh wrote:
It is not a question of standing up for others with disabilities it is the recognition that a comment made in a private meeting which was overheard should not have been made public. It is similar to the 'jungle drums' incident. Perhaps everyone attending these private meetings should be given a formal caution and advised not to use old fashioned terms.
So those that can make decisions and have influence on issues that effect vulnerable people should be allowed to consider other people as less than human?
Can you explain how this is acceptable?
I admire you for trying but this mans actions are indefensible.

Honest question please Robh well as close as you can. Are you in the over 65 or over 55 age bracket?
[quote][p][bold]Robh[/bold] wrote: It is not a question of standing up for others with disabilities it is the recognition that a comment made in a private meeting which was overheard should not have been made public. It is similar to the 'jungle drums' incident. Perhaps everyone attending these private meetings should be given a formal caution and advised not to use old fashioned terms.[/p][/quote]So those that can make decisions and have influence on issues that effect vulnerable people should be allowed to consider other people as less than human? Can you explain how this is acceptable? I admire you for trying but this mans actions are indefensible. Honest question please Robh well as close as you can. Are you in the over 65 or over 55 age bracket? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -1

12:23pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Robh wrote:
It is not a question of standing up for others with disabilities it is the recognition that a comment made in a private meeting which was overheard should not have been made public. It is similar to the 'jungle drums' incident. Perhaps everyone attending these private meetings should be given a formal caution and advised not to use old fashioned terms.
Careful you will hurt yourself with that level of back peddling....
Your pathetic attempts to grasp at anything to give your ignorant opinion value is both desperate and rather telling.
Who else was in this private meeting? were there people who make decisions on the futures of thousands of people? Should those that make life changing decisions have these opinions?

If you are saying that it was only a question out an outdated term what did he actually mean?
[quote][p][bold]Robh[/bold] wrote: It is not a question of standing up for others with disabilities it is the recognition that a comment made in a private meeting which was overheard should not have been made public. It is similar to the 'jungle drums' incident. Perhaps everyone attending these private meetings should be given a formal caution and advised not to use old fashioned terms.[/p][/quote]Careful you will hurt yourself with that level of back peddling.... Your pathetic attempts to grasp at anything to give your ignorant opinion value is both desperate and rather telling. Who else was in this private meeting? were there people who make decisions on the futures of thousands of people? Should those that make life changing decisions have these opinions? If you are saying that it was only a question out an outdated term what did he actually mean? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -1

1:20pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Robh says...

The biggest problem is that the adver do not know how to spell the word it is MONGLE and was used before people understood Downs Syndrome. The fact that it is outdated is not relevant. Anyone over sixty know that there are many words we used to use that now offensive and some that were offensive that are now acceptable. Also some do not know what is offensive in his remark whether it be the term mongle or the reference to disabled people having sex.

That is my final comment on this article.
The biggest problem is that the adver do not know how to spell the word it is MONGLE and was used before people understood Downs Syndrome. The fact that it is outdated is not relevant. Anyone over sixty know that there are many words we used to use that now offensive and some that were offensive that are now acceptable. Also some do not know what is offensive in his remark whether it be the term mongle or the reference to disabled people having sex. That is my final comment on this article. Robh
  • Score: 1

2:18pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Robh wrote:
The biggest problem is that the adver do not know how to spell the word it is MONGLE and was used before people understood Downs Syndrome. The fact that it is outdated is not relevant. Anyone over sixty know that there are many words we used to use that now offensive and some that were offensive that are now acceptable. Also some do not know what is offensive in his remark whether it be the term mongle or the reference to disabled people having sex.

That is my final comment on this article.
May I present a scenario, an active service person clearing IED`s is blown up severing cords in the spine is this person a mong? or even using your own personal description mongle?

You should of made your first comment your last since then you have only reinforced your backwards level of thinking,,,you have avoided questions on the topic (I kept them simple for you) so it is difficult to see what if any point you are making.....You and your coffin dodging kind are a drain on all of us both financially and emotionally (when you are bothered by children, most people are happy to talk to children).
Fault never sits with you does it, do you now feel you do not need to justify your moronic comments
Brilliant you have an uncanny ability to demonstrate not only blind ignorance but massive arrogance.
Again you use your opinion as fact by saying, also further demonstrating YOUR personal stupidity and ignorance by declaring what people are allowed to be offended by. Offence is taken no given you fool.
You are indeed lucky that nobody close to you is disabled but for many of us family and friends are also disabled.

Mong / mongle derived from mongrel DOG,,,,neither of which apply to any of the verbal or typed diarrhea you have been spouting.
You will continue in your selfish bitter thinking on other articles I will remind you of this one.
[quote][p][bold]Robh[/bold] wrote: The biggest problem is that the adver do not know how to spell the word it is MONGLE and was used before people understood Downs Syndrome. The fact that it is outdated is not relevant. Anyone over sixty know that there are many words we used to use that now offensive and some that were offensive that are now acceptable. Also some do not know what is offensive in his remark whether it be the term mongle or the reference to disabled people having sex. That is my final comment on this article.[/p][/quote]May I present a scenario, an active service person clearing IED`s is blown up severing cords in the spine is this person a mong? or even using your own personal description mongle? You should of made your first comment your last since then you have only reinforced your backwards level of thinking,,,you have avoided questions on the topic (I kept them simple for you) so it is difficult to see what if any point you are making.....You and your coffin dodging kind are a drain on all of us both financially and emotionally (when you are bothered by children, most people are happy to talk to children). Fault never sits with you does it, do you now feel you do not need to justify your moronic comments Brilliant you have an uncanny ability to demonstrate not only blind ignorance but massive arrogance. Again you use your opinion as fact by saying, also further demonstrating YOUR personal stupidity and ignorance by declaring what people are allowed to be offended by. Offence is taken no given you fool. You are indeed lucky that nobody close to you is disabled but for many of us family and friends are also disabled. Mong / mongle derived from mongrel DOG,,,,neither of which apply to any of the verbal or typed diarrhea you have been spouting. You will continue in your selfish bitter thinking on other articles I will remind you of this one. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -2

3:32pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Phantom Poster says...

Robh wrote:
The biggest problem is that the adver do not know how to spell the word it is MONGLE and was used before people understood Downs Syndrome. The fact that it is outdated is not relevant. Anyone over sixty know that there are many words we used to use that now offensive and some that were offensive that are now acceptable. Also some do not know what is offensive in his remark whether it be the term mongle or the reference to disabled people having sex.

That is my final comment on this article.
What a load of rubbish! The term used was always 'Mongol', because it was thought that they shared facial similarity with the Mongolian race.
[quote][p][bold]Robh[/bold] wrote: The biggest problem is that the adver do not know how to spell the word it is MONGLE and was used before people understood Downs Syndrome. The fact that it is outdated is not relevant. Anyone over sixty know that there are many words we used to use that now offensive and some that were offensive that are now acceptable. Also some do not know what is offensive in his remark whether it be the term mongle or the reference to disabled people having sex. That is my final comment on this article.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish! The term used was always 'Mongol', because it was thought that they shared facial similarity with the Mongolian race. Phantom Poster
  • Score: 1

4:12pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Robh says...

My last comment must be what a bunch of plonkers who haven't got a clue what they talking about. The term Mongle means deviant. you ought learn the language before you make stupid comments
My last comment must be what a bunch of plonkers who haven't got a clue what they talking about. The term Mongle means deviant. you ought learn the language before you make stupid comments Robh
  • Score: -2

4:18pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Robh says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
Robh wrote:
The biggest problem is that the adver do not know how to spell the word it is MONGLE and was used before people understood Downs Syndrome. The fact that it is outdated is not relevant. Anyone over sixty know that there are many words we used to use that now offensive and some that were offensive that are now acceptable. Also some do not know what is offensive in his remark whether it be the term mongle or the reference to disabled people having sex.

That is my final comment on this article.
May I present a scenario, an active service person clearing IED`s is blown up severing cords in the spine is this person a mong? or even using your own personal description mongle?

You should of made your first comment your last since then you have only reinforced your backwards level of thinking,,,you have avoided questions on the topic (I kept them simple for you) so it is difficult to see what if any point you are making.....You and your coffin dodging kind are a drain on all of us both financially and emotionally (when you are bothered by children, most people are happy to talk to children).
Fault never sits with you does it, do you now feel you do not need to justify your moronic comments
Brilliant you have an uncanny ability to demonstrate not only blind ignorance but massive arrogance.
Again you use your opinion as fact by saying, also further demonstrating YOUR personal stupidity and ignorance by declaring what people are allowed to be offended by. Offence is taken no given you fool.
You are indeed lucky that nobody close to you is disabled but for many of us family and friends are also disabled.

Mong / mongle derived from mongrel DOG,,,,neither of which apply to any of the verbal or typed diarrhea you have been spouting.
You will continue in your selfish bitter thinking on other articles I will remind you of this one.
Pathetic fool.
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robh[/bold] wrote: The biggest problem is that the adver do not know how to spell the word it is MONGLE and was used before people understood Downs Syndrome. The fact that it is outdated is not relevant. Anyone over sixty know that there are many words we used to use that now offensive and some that were offensive that are now acceptable. Also some do not know what is offensive in his remark whether it be the term mongle or the reference to disabled people having sex. That is my final comment on this article.[/p][/quote]May I present a scenario, an active service person clearing IED`s is blown up severing cords in the spine is this person a mong? or even using your own personal description mongle? You should of made your first comment your last since then you have only reinforced your backwards level of thinking,,,you have avoided questions on the topic (I kept them simple for you) so it is difficult to see what if any point you are making.....You and your coffin dodging kind are a drain on all of us both financially and emotionally (when you are bothered by children, most people are happy to talk to children). Fault never sits with you does it, do you now feel you do not need to justify your moronic comments Brilliant you have an uncanny ability to demonstrate not only blind ignorance but massive arrogance. Again you use your opinion as fact by saying, also further demonstrating YOUR personal stupidity and ignorance by declaring what people are allowed to be offended by. Offence is taken no given you fool. You are indeed lucky that nobody close to you is disabled but for many of us family and friends are also disabled. Mong / mongle derived from mongrel DOG,,,,neither of which apply to any of the verbal or typed diarrhea you have been spouting. You will continue in your selfish bitter thinking on other articles I will remind you of this one.[/p][/quote]Pathetic fool. Robh
  • Score: -2

4:29pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Phantom Poster says...

Robh wrote:
My last comment must be what a bunch of plonkers who haven't got a clue what they talking about. The term Mongle means deviant. you ought learn the language before you make stupid comments
Just looked up British English Cambridge dictionary. 'Mongle' is not a word. ''Mongol' is an abbreviation of 'mongoloid' and is an offensive, old fashioned word for a person who has Downs syndrom.

Feel free to look up yourself, then come back and apologise unreservedly. On the other hand you could do a Nick Martin.
[quote][p][bold]Robh[/bold] wrote: My last comment must be what a bunch of plonkers who haven't got a clue what they talking about. The term Mongle means deviant. you ought learn the language before you make stupid comments[/p][/quote]Just looked up British English Cambridge dictionary. 'Mongle' is not a word. ''Mongol' is an abbreviation of 'mongoloid' and is an offensive, old fashioned word for a person who has Downs syndrom. Feel free to look up yourself, then come back and apologise unreservedly. On the other hand you could do a Nick Martin. Phantom Poster
  • Score: 2

4:35pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Davey Gravey says...

Do they still let people like robh have sex ?
Do they still let people like robh have sex ? Davey Gravey
  • Score: 3

4:38pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Robh says...

Mongle refers to sexual deviant and is an old term for downs syndrome because it referred to inter breeding within families which was believed to be the cause of the physical defects. I suppose this will be deemed to be offensive spelling it out I detail.
Mongle refers to sexual deviant and is an old term for downs syndrome because it referred to inter breeding within families which was believed to be the cause of the physical defects. I suppose this will be deemed to be offensive spelling it out I detail. Robh
  • Score: -4

4:43pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Robh says...

As usual the abuse comes out from people without knowledge. It is the only way they think they can win an argument.
As usual the abuse comes out from people without knowledge. It is the only way they think they can win an argument. Robh
  • Score: -3

4:47pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Phantom Poster says...

Robh wrote:
Mongle refers to sexual deviant and is an old term for downs syndrome because it referred to inter breeding within families which was believed to be the cause of the physical defects. I suppose this will be deemed to be offensive spelling it out I detail.
John Langdon Down first characterised Down syndrom in 1866. Due to his perception that children with the condition shared physical facial similarities with those of the Blumenbach's Mongolian race, Down used the term 'mongaloid'.

Has that spelled out the derivation enough for you?
[quote][p][bold]Robh[/bold] wrote: Mongle refers to sexual deviant and is an old term for downs syndrome because it referred to inter breeding within families which was believed to be the cause of the physical defects. I suppose this will be deemed to be offensive spelling it out I detail.[/p][/quote]John Langdon Down first characterised Down syndrom in 1866. Due to his perception that children with the condition shared physical facial similarities with those of the Blumenbach's Mongolian race, Down used the term 'mongaloid'. Has that spelled out the derivation enough for you? Phantom Poster
  • Score: 2

4:53pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Phantom Poster says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Do they still let people like robh have sex ?
Only with themselves.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Do they still let people like robh have sex ?[/p][/quote]Only with themselves. Phantom Poster
  • Score: 3

6:11pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Phantom Poster says...

Robh wrote:
As usual the abuse comes out from people without knowledge. It is the only way they think they can win an argument.
So let's see, you claim:

* the Adver are wrong
* I and all other posters are wrong
* the Cambridge English dictionary is wrong
* John Langdon Down is wrong

I declare that you are Nick Martin and claim myprize :-)
[quote][p][bold]Robh[/bold] wrote: As usual the abuse comes out from people without knowledge. It is the only way they think they can win an argument.[/p][/quote]So let's see, you claim: * the Adver are wrong * I and all other posters are wrong * the Cambridge English dictionary is wrong * John Langdon Down is wrong I declare that you are Nick Martin and claim myprize :-) Phantom Poster
  • Score: 2

6:29pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

@Robh I have only just checked back and to my surprise you are still making comments. Your Ignorance and arrogance is now matched with an inability to keep your word....

Seems like you would be perfect for a job within the council.
I will laugh at you every time I see your name come up thanks,,,
@Robh I have only just checked back and to my surprise you are still making comments. Your Ignorance and arrogance is now matched with an inability to keep your word.... Seems like you would be perfect for a job within the council. I will laugh at you every time I see your name come up thanks,,, Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 0

6:36pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Robh wrote:
Mongle refers to sexual deviant and is an old term for downs syndrome because it referred to inter breeding within families which was believed to be the cause of the physical defects. I suppose this will be deemed to be offensive spelling it out I detail.
Please stop your level of stupid makes my face ache....

You still seem to have an issue with the language itself and you confuse your opinion with actual fact,,,is it your life experience that has taught you all this?? Its not an education is it?
Are you Nick Griffin?
This game could catch on its like moron guess who?

The Adver was not the one to use your spelling of the term you put that one in and still confused yourself....Remember your earlier comment calling the paper idiots? Maybe you should have a rest.
[quote][p][bold]Robh[/bold] wrote: Mongle refers to sexual deviant and is an old term for downs syndrome because it referred to inter breeding within families which was believed to be the cause of the physical defects. I suppose this will be deemed to be offensive spelling it out I detail.[/p][/quote]Please stop your level of stupid makes my face ache.... You still seem to have an issue with the language itself and you confuse your opinion with actual fact,,,is it your life experience that has taught you all this?? Its not an education is it? Are you Nick Griffin? This game could catch on its like moron guess who? The Adver was not the one to use your spelling of the term you put that one in and still confused yourself....Remember your earlier comment calling the paper idiots? Maybe you should have a rest. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 0

6:52pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Robh wrote:
The biggest problem is that the adver do not know how to spell the word it is MONGLE and was used before people understood Downs Syndrome. The fact that it is outdated is not relevant. Anyone over sixty know that there are many words we used to use that now offensive and some that were offensive that are now acceptable. Also some do not know what is offensive in his remark whether it be the term mongle or the reference to disabled people having sex.

That is my final comment on this article.
Erm....it wasnt though was it.
Little lemon man you have been all over the other stories on this topic,,,really not sure why there are so many.

Are you going to stamp your feet now????
Mr "That is my final comment" you later reference the dictionary have you checked moron I think they got your picture just right.
[quote][p][bold]Robh[/bold] wrote: The biggest problem is that the adver do not know how to spell the word it is MONGLE and was used before people understood Downs Syndrome. The fact that it is outdated is not relevant. Anyone over sixty know that there are many words we used to use that now offensive and some that were offensive that are now acceptable. Also some do not know what is offensive in his remark whether it be the term mongle or the reference to disabled people having sex. That is my final comment on this article.[/p][/quote]Erm....it wasnt though was it. Little lemon man you have been all over the other stories on this topic,,,really not sure why there are so many. Are you going to stamp your feet now???? Mr "That is my final comment" you later reference the dictionary have you checked moron I think they got your picture just right. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 0

7:17pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Davey Gravey says...

Is robh Nick Martin?
Is robh Nick Martin? Davey Gravey
  • Score: 0

7:39pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Phantom Poster says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Is robh Nick Martin?
Pretty obvious, isn't it?

Next you will be asking if "trolley dolly " is channel-oh-i've-been
-cloned-x.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Is robh Nick Martin?[/p][/quote]Pretty obvious, isn't it? Next you will be asking if "trolley dolly " is channel-oh-i've-been -cloned-x. Phantom Poster
  • Score: -1

7:42pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Phantom Poster says...

To quote from Robh:

Anyone over sixty know that there are many words we used to use that now offensive

What age is Nick Martin? As a stab in the dark - over 60?
To quote from Robh: Anyone over sixty know that there are many words we used to use that now offensive What age is Nick Martin? As a stab in the dark - over 60? Phantom Poster
  • Score: 0

10:00pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Phantom Poster says...

Robh wrote:
Mongle refers to sexual deviant and is an old term for downs syndrome because it referred to inter breeding within families which was believed to be the cause of the physical defects. I suppose this will be deemed to be offensive spelling it out I detail.
I just love this, despite the term being coined by John Down in 1866!
[quote][p][bold]Robh[/bold] wrote: Mongle refers to sexual deviant and is an old term for downs syndrome because it referred to inter breeding within families which was believed to be the cause of the physical defects. I suppose this will be deemed to be offensive spelling it out I detail.[/p][/quote]I just love this, despite the term being coined by John Down in 1866! Phantom Poster
  • Score: -1

11:18am Fri 18 Apr 14

Robh says...

We almost did it. Got to the top of the Most commented section but you can never beat STFC and I am pleased that so many read my comments. Thank you all
We almost did it. Got to the top of the Most commented section but you can never beat STFC and I am pleased that so many read my comments. Thank you all Robh
  • Score: 0

11:56am Fri 18 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

Robh wrote:
We almost did it. Got to the top of the Most commented section but you can never beat STFC and I am pleased that so many read my comments. Thank you all
RobH, as someone who has disagreed with pretty much every word you've typed, the more readers the better as far as I'm concerned. I'm sure people will make their own judgements on the validity of your warped ramblings
[quote][p][bold]Robh[/bold] wrote: We almost did it. Got to the top of the Most commented section but you can never beat STFC and I am pleased that so many read my comments. Thank you all[/p][/quote]RobH, as someone who has disagreed with pretty much every word you've typed, the more readers the better as far as I'm concerned. I'm sure people will make their own judgements on the validity of your warped ramblings BeardyBill
  • Score: 0

11:57am Sun 20 Apr 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Robh wrote:
We almost did it. Got to the top of the Most commented section but you can never beat STFC and I am pleased that so many read my comments. Thank you all
Tutu and you the conservative councilor for Old Town I do hope you feel stupid you look it, sound it and above all prove it at almost every opportunity.

I am sat in the sun doing a spot of fishing.
Must say it has changed since I was a kid I dont remember being able to watch the football while I fished let alone laugh at the pathetic excuse for political opinion.

Councillor Roderick Bluh ladies and gentlemen proving his well thought out arguments. To say you are a joke would be an understatement.

His details are on this http://www.swindon.g
ov.uk/cd/cd-democrac
y/Pages/cd-democracy
-councillorscontactd
etails.aspx
I am sure he would be delighted to hear from you with any opinions you may have.
Use small words and speak slowly he has trouble understanding.
[quote][p][bold]Robh[/bold] wrote: We almost did it. Got to the top of the Most commented section but you can never beat STFC and I am pleased that so many read my comments. Thank you all[/p][/quote]Tutu and you the conservative councilor for Old Town I do hope you feel stupid you look it, sound it and above all prove it at almost every opportunity. I am sat in the sun doing a spot of fishing. Must say it has changed since I was a kid I dont remember being able to watch the football while I fished let alone laugh at the pathetic excuse for political opinion. Councillor Roderick Bluh ladies and gentlemen proving his well thought out arguments. To say you are a joke would be an understatement. His details are on this http://www.swindon.g ov.uk/cd/cd-democrac y/Pages/cd-democracy -councillorscontactd etails.aspx I am sure he would be delighted to hear from you with any opinions you may have. Use small words and speak slowly he has trouble understanding. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -1

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