Wiltshire Council director defends chiefs' salaries of more than £100k

This Is Wiltshire: Wiltshire Council corporate director Maggie Rae Wiltshire Council corporate director Maggie Rae

One of Wiltshire Council’s top paid directors, whose salary band exceeds that of the Prime Minister, has defended council chiefs being paid more than £100,000 a year.

Corporate director Maggie Rae, who earns up to £148,271 a year while David Cameron earns £142,500, was quizzed by MPs at a Parliamentary hearing on senior pay in London.

Mrs Rae is one of three senior Wiltshire Council employees on a salary band of £134,503 to £148, 271.

When asked whether that was justified, she said she did not think top council jobs were comparable to that of the Prime Minister.

She claimed it was a struggle to fill senior council positions with the best staff even at high salaries.

She said: “We’re paying middle-range salaries while at the same time we have ambition to be the most excellent council, and we are struggling to get staff into jobs even at those salaries because people can earn much more money in the private sector.

"I think we’ve got to work very hard to make sure local government doesn’t fall behind.

“We’ve got a number of senior officer jobs in a variety of services, such as children’s social care and adult social care, and it is very difficult to attract staff to those jobs.

“You look at the advertisements and the salaries are going up and up and up on those jobs, and many of the qualified staff who have the expertise are in the interim market because they can earn a great deal more that way than if they joined local government [full time].”

The committee heard a claim from the Taxpayers’ Alliance that more than 2,500 officers working in local government earn more than £100,000 a year.

Mrs Rae said that local government chief officers had not enjoyed big increases in pay over the last few years.

She took over the corporate director role in 2013 at Wiltshire Council after social services boss Sue Redmond took voluntary redundancy and the council merged public health and adult social care.

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5:36pm Tue 10 Jun 14

chippenhamgedd says...

Give me half the money and I'll do the job. Probably a lot better too!
Give me half the money and I'll do the job. Probably a lot better too! chippenhamgedd
  • Score: 28

6:06pm Tue 10 Jun 14

the optimist says...

I would do it for a quarter. This is just plain greed and there are no excuses for such a salary.

In the private sector a manager would have to earn their keep by producing more sales or make efficiency savings. Or be replaced?

In Wiltshire Council they have a captive audience which they can keep on screwing without any consideration to the ability to pay?

Did you notice the grin? Jane must have been giving lessons?
I would do it for a quarter. This is just plain greed and there are no excuses for such a salary. In the private sector a manager would have to earn their keep by producing more sales or make efficiency savings. Or be replaced? In Wiltshire Council they have a captive audience which they can keep on screwing without any consideration to the ability to pay? Did you notice the grin? Jane must have been giving lessons? the optimist
  • Score: 32

6:10pm Tue 10 Jun 14

jezercalne says...

I'm truly amazed that people in the public sector are paid that much. They are not actually contributing to the wealth of the country as a whole, just spending taxpayers' money.
I'm truly amazed that people in the public sector are paid that much. They are not actually contributing to the wealth of the country as a whole, just spending taxpayers' money. jezercalne
  • Score: 29

6:16pm Tue 10 Jun 14

MDP says...

Ms Rae says

" people can earn much more money in the private sector",
and WC finds it difficult to recruit for
"a variety of services, such as children’s social care and adult social care"

Where exactly are the highly paid jobs in the private sector in these disciplines?
Ms Rae says " people can earn much more money in the private sector", and WC finds it difficult to recruit for "a variety of services, such as children’s social care and adult social care" Where exactly are the highly paid jobs in the private sector in these disciplines? MDP
  • Score: 25

7:22pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Blanche Terraine says...

The same old arguments; the same irrelevant comparisons with the private sector. Bus drivers have great responsibility but they don't get paid much. People who unblock drains are very useful but ... Adele the singer is a millionaire many times over. We could play this game all day but in the end Maggie Rae's salary is obscene and her defence of it is insulting.
The same old arguments; the same irrelevant comparisons with the private sector. Bus drivers have great responsibility but they don't get paid much. People who unblock drains are very useful but ... Adele the singer is a millionaire many times over. We could play this game all day but in the end Maggie Rae's salary is obscene and her defence of it is insulting. Blanche Terraine
  • Score: 29

8:01pm Tue 10 Jun 14

vox sanitatem says...

Make her actually EARN this kind of salary, get her out emptying some dustbins instead of counting paper-clips!
Make her actually EARN this kind of salary, get her out emptying some dustbins instead of counting paper-clips! vox sanitatem
  • Score: 36

8:06pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Room101 says...

God give me strength,. Here we go again. Cut backs, grass not being cut, roads in a disgraceful state, and the people still don't get it. I can not wait for elections. The first thing to ask candidates. What are they going to do about these overpaid people working for Wiltshire Council. Who is the person in charge. Oh yes another overpaid person. I wonder if the council tax will go up next year?
God give me strength,. Here we go again. Cut backs, grass not being cut, roads in a disgraceful state, and the people still don't get it. I can not wait for elections. The first thing to ask candidates. What are they going to do about these overpaid people working for Wiltshire Council. Who is the person in charge. Oh yes another overpaid person. I wonder if the council tax will go up next year? Room101
  • Score: 36

9:47pm Tue 10 Jun 14

politepanda says...

“We’re paying middle-range salaries while at the same time we have ambition to be the most excellent council, and we are struggling to get staff into jobs even at those salaries because people can earn much more money in the private sector.
So exactly WHAT jobs would these overpaid execs be chasing in the public sector???
Had she kept it to: I think we’ve got to work very hard to make sure local government fat cats don't fall behind their cousins in the private sector"
I'd have found a lot more honesty in it.
(Did ANYONE expect one of OWN overpaid fatcats NOT to support their hefty wagepackets??)
“We’re paying middle-range salaries while at the same time we have ambition to be the most excellent council, and we are struggling to get staff into jobs even at those salaries because people can earn much more money in the private sector. So exactly WHAT jobs would these overpaid execs be chasing in the public sector??? Had she kept it to: I think we’ve got to work very hard to make sure local government fat cats don't fall behind their cousins in the private sector" I'd have found a lot more honesty in it. (Did ANYONE expect one of OWN overpaid fatcats NOT to support their hefty wagepackets??) politepanda
  • Score: 10

10:11pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Ferengi says...

Most doctors earn less. I know who I prefer to fund.
Most doctors earn less. I know who I prefer to fund. Ferengi
  • Score: 20

9:19am Wed 11 Jun 14

Grumpyoldgit99 says...

There is no defense. That is an obscene amount of money for a public servant in an ordinary job to be paid. The councillors should be ashamed of themselves for having approved such bloated salaries but as we have heard, they are also on the gravy train, with some getting increses in their allowances of over 30%. The link between the pay of the highest and the lowest has been broken wide open and will lead to further unrest in society.
There is no defense. That is an obscene amount of money for a public servant in an ordinary job to be paid. The councillors should be ashamed of themselves for having approved such bloated salaries but as we have heard, they are also on the gravy train, with some getting increses in their allowances of over 30%. The link between the pay of the highest and the lowest has been broken wide open and will lead to further unrest in society. Grumpyoldgit99
  • Score: 23

10:01am Wed 11 Jun 14

Andy M says...

We pay our council tax in order that certain things get done. Criminals jailed, fires put out, bins emptied, grass cut, litter removed, dedaah dedaah deaah. I have absolutely no problem whatsoever paying for these tireless men and women to keep my town and county functioning as I want it to. This is a first world country in the 21st century, we expect certain things to be done.

The above costs a lot of money and I am happy to contribute to it.

However, over time, we seem to have built up a thickening layer of cruft in the middle and senior management of these basic tasks. So now we have a thin layer of people *actually* doing the work and an ever expanding number of "Diversity Officers" and other such non-jobs. Plus of course, in true bureaucratic stylee, the thicker the middle layer the fatter the top layer.

Now comes the rub.

We then get told we need to economise, so cuts are made. Do they get made in this extraneous layer of cruft, or in trimming some fat for the top? Oh do be serious. The cuts of course remove the people from the sharp end; the ones that do the *actual* work. The ones that keep my county and town safe and clean. The ones that ensure that there is "Diversity" (whatever on earth that is) can just keep on doing whatever it is they do and the bins now get empties every fortnight; and the roads are no longer gritted, and the chance of seeing a cop on the beat is minute; and ... you get the picture.

I want someone to go in, leave the sharp end entirely alone and start critically examining each and every role from there on up to the chief exec and if the role cannot be 100% justified, either cut it entirely or combine it with a few others. Thin down the herd. Given what some of these people get paid, you could cut out one of them and save half a dozen of the actual roles that we pay to get done.

I pay my council tax to get the actual job done, not to pay for some wonk to go on PC junkets and soak up resources for no gain to the people that pay them; people like you and me.

End of.
We pay our council tax in order that certain things get done. Criminals jailed, fires put out, bins emptied, grass cut, litter removed, dedaah dedaah deaah. I have absolutely no problem whatsoever paying for these tireless men and women to keep my town and county functioning as I want it to. This is a first world country in the 21st century, we expect certain things to be done. The above costs a lot of money and I am happy to contribute to it. However, over time, we seem to have built up a thickening layer of cruft in the middle and senior management of these basic tasks. So now we have a thin layer of people *actually* doing the work and an ever expanding number of "Diversity Officers" and other such non-jobs. Plus of course, in true bureaucratic stylee, the thicker the middle layer the fatter the top layer. Now comes the rub. We then get told we need to economise, so cuts are made. Do they get made in this extraneous layer of cruft, or in trimming some fat for the top? Oh do be serious. The cuts of course remove the people from the sharp end; the ones that do the *actual* work. The ones that keep my county and town safe and clean. The ones that ensure that there is "Diversity" (whatever on earth that is) can just keep on doing whatever it is they do and the bins now get empties every fortnight; and the roads are no longer gritted, and the chance of seeing a cop on the beat is minute; and ... you get the picture. I want someone to go in, leave the sharp end entirely alone and start critically examining each and every role from there on up to the chief exec and if the role cannot be 100% justified, either cut it entirely or combine it with a few others. Thin down the herd. Given what some of these people get paid, you could cut out one of them and save half a dozen of the actual roles that we pay to get done. I pay my council tax to get the actual job done, not to pay for some wonk to go on PC junkets and soak up resources for no gain to the people that pay them; people like you and me. End of. Andy M
  • Score: 36

10:09am Wed 11 Jun 14

Grumpyoldgit99 says...

Cruft. A great new word. Had to look it up. Now added to the rest of the cruft in the deeper recesses of my brain!
Cruft. A great new word. Had to look it up. Now added to the rest of the cruft in the deeper recesses of my brain! Grumpyoldgit99
  • Score: 6

10:36am Wed 11 Jun 14

frankie007 says...

Strange that according to the Wiltshire Times most commented list that 13, now 14, would seem to be fewer than 1.

Couldn't be politically motivated maths, could it?
Strange that according to the Wiltshire Times most commented list that 13, now 14, would seem to be fewer than 1. Couldn't be politically motivated maths, could it? frankie007
  • Score: 5

10:42am Wed 11 Jun 14

Grumpyoldgit99 says...

Or it could be that the list is updated daily and that we will enter the charts tomorrow.
Or it could be that the list is updated daily and that we will enter the charts tomorrow. Grumpyoldgit99
  • Score: 6

10:45am Wed 11 Jun 14

frankie007 says...

Andy M, Excellent post, sums it up beautifully.

Diversity means playing the race, sex or other allegedly oppressed minority card whenever someone dares to suggest that you might not be doing your job properly. Especially when it's blatantly apparent that you're not doing your job properly.
Andy M, Excellent post, sums it up beautifully. Diversity means playing the race, sex or other allegedly oppressed minority card whenever someone dares to suggest that you might not be doing your job properly. Especially when it's blatantly apparent that you're not doing your job properly. frankie007
  • Score: 10

10:51am Wed 11 Jun 14

MDP says...

Come on, there must be SOMEONE in Wiltshire who is prepared to stick up for these poor, maligned types. Shouldn't we be thanking our lucky stars that we are ruled over by such wonderful, valuable people whom head hunters all over the country are desperately trying to poach?

After all, WC was deemed by a 'peer group' review (i.e. their chums) to be doing a sterling job.
Come on, there must be SOMEONE in Wiltshire who is prepared to stick up for these poor, maligned types. Shouldn't we be thanking our lucky stars that we are ruled over by such wonderful, valuable people whom head hunters all over the country are desperately trying to poach? After all, WC was deemed by a 'peer group' review (i.e. their chums) to be doing a sterling job. MDP
  • Score: 4

11:27am Wed 11 Jun 14

The_Walrus says...

"Mrs Rae is one of three senior Wiltshire Council employees on a salary band of £134,503 to £148, 271. When asked whether that was justified, she said she did not think top council jobs were comparable to that of the Prime Minister."

You will notice she DID NOT answer the question. It's impossible to justify such huge pay for what is basically just a middle manger, but used a standard deflection technique. As many comments above have noted, Wiltshire is in a dreadful mess and rapidly getting worse, but the Tories ruining it just don't care.
"Mrs Rae is one of three senior Wiltshire Council employees on a salary band of £134,503 to £148, 271. When asked whether that was justified, she said she did not think top council jobs were comparable to that of the Prime Minister." You will notice she DID NOT answer the question. It's impossible to justify such huge pay for what is basically just a middle manger, but used a standard deflection technique. As many comments above have noted, Wiltshire is in a dreadful mess and rapidly getting worse, but the Tories ruining it just don't care. The_Walrus
  • Score: 16

11:28am Wed 11 Jun 14

brandx says...

It is the inequality in the salaries in Wiltshire Council that is most damaging. How can those doing the important jobs at the front line - on the bins, doing social care work, etc - be expected to give their all when they perceive the growing gap in rewards?

Did someone say that we are all in this together?
It is the inequality in the salaries in Wiltshire Council that is most damaging. How can those doing the important jobs at the front line - on the bins, doing social care work, etc - be expected to give their all when they perceive the growing gap in rewards? Did someone say that we are all in this together? brandx
  • Score: 16

11:38am Wed 11 Jun 14

Highways68 says...

Andy M wrote:
We pay our council tax in order that certain things get done. Criminals jailed, fires put out, bins emptied, grass cut, litter removed, dedaah dedaah deaah. I have absolutely no problem whatsoever paying for these tireless men and women to keep my town and county functioning as I want it to. This is a first world country in the 21st century, we expect certain things to be done. The above costs a lot of money and I am happy to contribute to it. However, over time, we seem to have built up a thickening layer of cruft in the middle and senior management of these basic tasks. So now we have a thin layer of people *actually* doing the work and an ever expanding number of "Diversity Officers" and other such non-jobs. Plus of course, in true bureaucratic stylee, the thicker the middle layer the fatter the top layer. Now comes the rub. We then get told we need to economise, so cuts are made. Do they get made in this extraneous layer of cruft, or in trimming some fat for the top? Oh do be serious. The cuts of course remove the people from the sharp end; the ones that do the *actual* work. The ones that keep my county and town safe and clean. The ones that ensure that there is "Diversity" (whatever on earth that is) can just keep on doing whatever it is they do and the bins now get empties every fortnight; and the roads are no longer gritted, and the chance of seeing a cop on the beat is minute; and ... you get the picture. I want someone to go in, leave the sharp end entirely alone and start critically examining each and every role from there on up to the chief exec and if the role cannot be 100% justified, either cut it entirely or combine it with a few others. Thin down the herd. Given what some of these people get paid, you could cut out one of them and save half a dozen of the actual roles that we pay to get done. I pay my council tax to get the actual job done, not to pay for some wonk to go on PC junkets and soak up resources for no gain to the people that pay them; people like you and me. End of.
Great post Andy and points well made.
High and mid level management paid unbelievable salaries to come up with policies that make it even more difficult to do the actual job - dignity and work and the behaviours framework, what happend to "do the job you are paid to do"!!!. Too many essential workers allowed to go on VR with far too many wasters still employed that steal a living each and every day...this is fact. A contract with BBLP that is clearly failing on many fronts but the "management" will not hold their hands up to, as obviously they cannot admit to failings whilst commanding such salaries. Promises that things will get better, when every day they get worse, and BBLP are just allowed to get away with it.

I, for one, cannot wait to be gone from WC, surely the most appropriate initials going.
[quote][p][bold]Andy M[/bold] wrote: We pay our council tax in order that certain things get done. Criminals jailed, fires put out, bins emptied, grass cut, litter removed, dedaah dedaah deaah. I have absolutely no problem whatsoever paying for these tireless men and women to keep my town and county functioning as I want it to. This is a first world country in the 21st century, we expect certain things to be done. The above costs a lot of money and I am happy to contribute to it. However, over time, we seem to have built up a thickening layer of cruft in the middle and senior management of these basic tasks. So now we have a thin layer of people *actually* doing the work and an ever expanding number of "Diversity Officers" and other such non-jobs. Plus of course, in true bureaucratic stylee, the thicker the middle layer the fatter the top layer. Now comes the rub. We then get told we need to economise, so cuts are made. Do they get made in this extraneous layer of cruft, or in trimming some fat for the top? Oh do be serious. The cuts of course remove the people from the sharp end; the ones that do the *actual* work. The ones that keep my county and town safe and clean. The ones that ensure that there is "Diversity" (whatever on earth that is) can just keep on doing whatever it is they do and the bins now get empties every fortnight; and the roads are no longer gritted, and the chance of seeing a cop on the beat is minute; and ... you get the picture. I want someone to go in, leave the sharp end entirely alone and start critically examining each and every role from there on up to the chief exec and if the role cannot be 100% justified, either cut it entirely or combine it with a few others. Thin down the herd. Given what some of these people get paid, you could cut out one of them and save half a dozen of the actual roles that we pay to get done. I pay my council tax to get the actual job done, not to pay for some wonk to go on PC junkets and soak up resources for no gain to the people that pay them; people like you and me. End of.[/p][/quote]Great post Andy and points well made. High and mid level management paid unbelievable salaries to come up with policies that make it even more difficult to do the actual job - dignity and work and the behaviours framework, what happend to "do the job you are paid to do"!!!. Too many essential workers allowed to go on VR with far too many wasters still employed that steal a living each and every day...this is fact. A contract with BBLP that is clearly failing on many fronts but the "management" will not hold their hands up to, as obviously they cannot admit to failings whilst commanding such salaries. Promises that things will get better, when every day they get worse, and BBLP are just allowed to get away with it. I, for one, cannot wait to be gone from WC, surely the most appropriate initials going. Highways68
  • Score: 12

1:12pm Wed 11 Jun 14

WiltsCanary1972 says...

Some more interesting thoughts for people to ponder.

There was a massive clearout of managers at the Council with the intention of ensuring that the people on the ground could do the day to day job and keep the council running as it SHOULD be.

Within a year of this more than 3000 staff members were given voluntary redundancy. These were not managers but people doing the day to day job.

In the defence of the people in charge (and this will be the only one) central government kept on shifting the savings forcing more and more cost savings onto Councils up and down the country. This meant that further cuts had to be done.

We now find ourselves in the position that we are now in and this is just some of the issues that are facing staff.

Deliveries of bins takes in excess of 11 weeks in some areas, bus pass applications are taking in excess of TWO months to process, the housing team are facing a backlog of work building day on day and currently about 5 weeks.

Why is this - because there are not the people in the council to do the job.

Why is this - because of the cuts being handled in a way that did not look at the long term effect of reducing staffing levels.

It is clear that when assessing how many people were needed to do a specific job the numbers were based upon the minimum number of people needed. They did not take into account that these people will want to take leave (leave that they are entitled to take) they did not take into account that putting all this extra work onto people would mean more stress and this would then lead to staff being off sick. If you have one person only doing a job when they are not in the job will not get done.

The managers (and I am not including this woman in this account) are stretched covering services that maybe totally alien to them so they do not understand the full needs of the business consequently the service falls down.

ALSO my last point (I promise) what other organisation, corporation call it what you will in the world would allow a situation to arise where the person at the very top (PM) is earning LESS than people who are way down the ladder than them?
Some more interesting thoughts for people to ponder. There was a massive clearout of managers at the Council with the intention of ensuring that the people on the ground could do the day to day job and keep the council running as it SHOULD be. Within a year of this more than 3000 staff members were given voluntary redundancy. These were not managers but people doing the day to day job. In the defence of the people in charge (and this will be the only one) central government kept on shifting the savings forcing more and more cost savings onto Councils up and down the country. This meant that further cuts had to be done. We now find ourselves in the position that we are now in and this is just some of the issues that are facing staff. Deliveries of bins takes in excess of 11 weeks in some areas, bus pass applications are taking in excess of TWO months to process, the housing team are facing a backlog of work building day on day and currently about 5 weeks. Why is this - because there are not the people in the council to do the job. Why is this - because of the cuts being handled in a way that did not look at the long term effect of reducing staffing levels. It is clear that when assessing how many people were needed to do a specific job the numbers were based upon the minimum number of people needed. They did not take into account that these people will want to take leave (leave that they are entitled to take) they did not take into account that putting all this extra work onto people would mean more stress and this would then lead to staff being off sick. If you have one person only doing a job when they are not in the job will not get done. The managers (and I am not including this woman in this account) are stretched covering services that maybe totally alien to them so they do not understand the full needs of the business consequently the service falls down. ALSO my last point (I promise) what other organisation, corporation call it what you will in the world would allow a situation to arise where the person at the very top (PM) is earning LESS than people who are way down the ladder than them? WiltsCanary1972
  • Score: 21

1:16pm Wed 11 Jun 14

WiltsCanary1972 says...

Sorry one more point - Wiltshire Council is NOT rotten to the core - the people you SEE doing the jobs out and about, the people you talk to on the phone, the people who deal with you when you come into a council building are hard working decent people who are doing their best to help you.
Sorry one more point - Wiltshire Council is NOT rotten to the core - the people you SEE doing the jobs out and about, the people you talk to on the phone, the people who deal with you when you come into a council building are hard working decent people who are doing their best to help you. WiltsCanary1972
  • Score: 24

3:03pm Wed 11 Jun 14

garybillington says...

Seems to me that the problem isn't so much the salary, it's just that so many people think they could do better. I'm not going to comment on the capabilities of the people in post, or the people commenting. I know I wouldn't want to take on that sort of responsibility no matter how much it paid.

However, that salary is NOT over the odds for the leader of an organisation the size of Wiltshire Council. Speaking from experience, having worked in both the private and public sector, wages in the public sector are always significantly lower than equivalent roles in the private sector. Almost any senior council employee could earn more money elsewhere.

If anything, people in these positions should be paid MORE than they currently are as they have to deal with constant abuse from everyone who thinks they could do better.
Seems to me that the problem isn't so much the salary, it's just that so many people think they could do better. I'm not going to comment on the capabilities of the people in post, or the people commenting. I know I wouldn't want to take on that sort of responsibility no matter how much it paid. However, that salary is NOT over the odds for the leader of an organisation the size of Wiltshire Council. Speaking from experience, having worked in both the private and public sector, wages in the public sector are always significantly lower than equivalent roles in the private sector. Almost any senior council employee could earn more money elsewhere. If anything, people in these positions should be paid MORE than they currently are as they have to deal with constant abuse from everyone who thinks they could do better. garybillington
  • Score: -26

3:43pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Grumpyoldgit99 says...

garybillington wrote:
Seems to me that the problem isn't so much the salary, it's just that so many people think they could do better. I'm not going to comment on the capabilities of the people in post, or the people commenting. I know I wouldn't want to take on that sort of responsibility no matter how much it paid.

However, that salary is NOT over the odds for the leader of an organisation the size of Wiltshire Council. Speaking from experience, having worked in both the private and public sector, wages in the public sector are always significantly lower than equivalent roles in the private sector. Almost any senior council employee could earn more money elsewhere.

If anything, people in these positions should be paid MORE than they currently are as they have to deal with constant abuse from everyone who thinks they could do better.
Thankyou Jane Scott for the comments, having clearly not read the letters, which overwhelmingly made it clear that it is all about the money. The fact is that salaries of senior staff at WC have got out of control. For 95% of the staff it is a choice between redundancy or static/reduced wages. For the few at the top that wield the axe, grossly inflated salaries are the order of the day. I do not accept that staff prepared to take a less inflated wage would be hard to find.
[quote][p][bold]garybillington[/bold] wrote: Seems to me that the problem isn't so much the salary, it's just that so many people think they could do better. I'm not going to comment on the capabilities of the people in post, or the people commenting. I know I wouldn't want to take on that sort of responsibility no matter how much it paid. However, that salary is NOT over the odds for the leader of an organisation the size of Wiltshire Council. Speaking from experience, having worked in both the private and public sector, wages in the public sector are always significantly lower than equivalent roles in the private sector. Almost any senior council employee could earn more money elsewhere. If anything, people in these positions should be paid MORE than they currently are as they have to deal with constant abuse from everyone who thinks they could do better.[/p][/quote]Thankyou Jane Scott for the comments, having clearly not read the letters, which overwhelmingly made it clear that it is all about the money. The fact is that salaries of senior staff at WC have got out of control. For 95% of the staff it is a choice between redundancy or static/reduced wages. For the few at the top that wield the axe, grossly inflated salaries are the order of the day. I do not accept that staff prepared to take a less inflated wage would be hard to find. Grumpyoldgit99
  • Score: 13

3:50pm Wed 11 Jun 14

MDP says...

It would be interesting if the Gazette/Wilts Times could use FOI to request that Ms Rae and the other directors on grossly inflated salaries provide a list of all the job offers they have had in, say, the last year from the private sector which would pay them similar or larger amounts.
It would be interesting if the Gazette/Wilts Times could use FOI to request that Ms Rae and the other directors on grossly inflated salaries provide a list of all the job offers they have had in, say, the last year from the private sector which would pay them similar or larger amounts. MDP
  • Score: 9

3:56pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Andy M says...

MDP wrote:
It would be interesting if the Gazette/Wilts Times could use FOI to request that Ms Rae and the other directors on grossly inflated salaries provide a list of all the job offers they have had in, say, the last year from the private sector which would pay them similar or larger amounts.
Sadly that doesn't come under the powers of an FoI req. They cover official information, not the personal information of officials.
[quote][p][bold]MDP[/bold] wrote: It would be interesting if the Gazette/Wilts Times could use FOI to request that Ms Rae and the other directors on grossly inflated salaries provide a list of all the job offers they have had in, say, the last year from the private sector which would pay them similar or larger amounts.[/p][/quote]Sadly that doesn't come under the powers of an FoI req. They cover official information, not the personal information of officials. Andy M
  • Score: 3

4:14pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Grumpyoldgit99 says...

Of more interest would be a comparison of top, middle and lower salaries over the last five years or so. While the pay of the lower ranks has stayed pretty static, the implication is that the pay of senior staff has rocketed.
Of more interest would be a comparison of top, middle and lower salaries over the last five years or so. While the pay of the lower ranks has stayed pretty static, the implication is that the pay of senior staff has rocketed. Grumpyoldgit99
  • Score: 9

7:25pm Wed 11 Jun 14

vox sanitatem says...

Now 27 comments (including this one), yet still not on the "most commented" list!?!

I think we need some Wiltshire Council numbers bod to address this!! :)
Now 27 comments (including this one), yet still not on the "most commented" list!?! I think we need some Wiltshire Council numbers bod to address this!! :) vox sanitatem
  • Score: 7

8:09pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Grumpyoldgit99 says...

vox sanitatem wrote:
Now 27 comments (including this one), yet still not on the "most commented" list!?!

I think we need some Wiltshire Council numbers bod to address this!! :)
You still haven't worked it out that the lists are updated daily.
[quote][p][bold]vox sanitatem[/bold] wrote: Now 27 comments (including this one), yet still not on the "most commented" list!?! I think we need some Wiltshire Council numbers bod to address this!! :)[/p][/quote]You still haven't worked it out that the lists are updated daily. Grumpyoldgit99
  • Score: -6

8:30pm Wed 11 Jun 14

shed says...

well, the gazette censor,s scissors were busy for my comment about rotten corrupt WCC
and for WiltsCanary1972 its should be taken for granted I am not speaking of the people who do the work but the money grabbers in the top echelons.

Its all very well comparing salaries with the private sector, the question should be asked are these people capable of landing a job in the private sector of equal responsibility? I for one doubt it.
well, the gazette censor,s scissors were busy for my comment about rotten corrupt WCC and for WiltsCanary1972 its should be taken for granted I am not speaking of the people who do the work but the money grabbers in the top echelons. Its all very well comparing salaries with the private sector, the question should be asked are these people capable of landing a job in the private sector of equal responsibility? I for one doubt it. shed
  • Score: 9

10:08pm Wed 11 Jun 14

politepanda says...

garybillington wrote:
Seems to me that the problem isn't so much the salary, it's just that so many people think they could do better. I'm not going to comment on the capabilities of the people in post, or the people commenting. I know I wouldn't want to take on that sort of responsibility no matter how much it paid.

However, that salary is NOT over the odds for the leader of an organisation the size of Wiltshire Council. Speaking from experience, having worked in both the private and public sector, wages in the public sector are always significantly lower than equivalent roles in the private sector. Almost any senior council employee could earn more money elsewhere.

If anything, people in these positions should be paid MORE than they currently are as they have to deal with constant abuse from everyone who thinks they could do better.
Unfortunately - unlike the private sector - our local fatcats are NOT monitored in a similar fashion to the private sector.
ok - so almost ANY senior council employees COULD earn more in the private sector - If they could find some fool to employ them - but private companies are less easily fooled by bluster and hot air. THAT is why they work for Wilts Council.
[quote][p][bold]garybillington[/bold] wrote: Seems to me that the problem isn't so much the salary, it's just that so many people think they could do better. I'm not going to comment on the capabilities of the people in post, or the people commenting. I know I wouldn't want to take on that sort of responsibility no matter how much it paid. However, that salary is NOT over the odds for the leader of an organisation the size of Wiltshire Council. Speaking from experience, having worked in both the private and public sector, wages in the public sector are always significantly lower than equivalent roles in the private sector. Almost any senior council employee could earn more money elsewhere. If anything, people in these positions should be paid MORE than they currently are as they have to deal with constant abuse from everyone who thinks they could do better.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately - unlike the private sector - our local fatcats are NOT monitored in a similar fashion to the private sector. ok - so almost ANY senior council employees COULD earn more in the private sector - If they could find some fool to employ them - but private companies are less easily fooled by bluster and hot air. THAT is why they work for Wilts Council. politepanda
  • Score: 9

10:16pm Wed 11 Jun 14

chippenhamgedd says...

So who would do her job for £32K ?
So who would do her job for £32K ? chippenhamgedd
  • Score: 5

10:22pm Wed 11 Jun 14

vox sanitatem says...

Grumpyoldgit99 wrote:
vox sanitatem wrote:
Now 27 comments (including this one), yet still not on the "most commented" list!?!

I think we need some Wiltshire Council numbers bod to address this!! :)
You still haven't worked it out that the lists are updated daily.
Yes, you'd better explain to me.

Currently there are 2 stories listed in the "most commented" with 1 comment each.

If you look at the dates and times of the comments to this story you will see it had accumulated 9 comments up until 24 hours ago from this post, therefore it should have featured on the "most commented" list yesterday.

The story itself was posted 30 hours prior to this comment.

So how does "updated daily" make any sense?
[quote][p][bold]Grumpyoldgit99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]vox sanitatem[/bold] wrote: Now 27 comments (including this one), yet still not on the "most commented" list!?! I think we need some Wiltshire Council numbers bod to address this!! :)[/p][/quote]You still haven't worked it out that the lists are updated daily.[/p][/quote]Yes, you'd better explain to me. Currently there are 2 stories listed in the "most commented" with 1 comment each. If you look at the dates and times of the comments to this story you will see it had accumulated 9 comments up until 24 hours ago from this post, therefore it should have featured on the "most commented" list yesterday. The story itself was posted 30 hours prior to this comment. So how does "updated daily" make any sense? vox sanitatem
  • Score: 6

7:45am Thu 12 Jun 14

vox sanitatem says...

@grumpyoldgit99

Still not on the list, can you please explain further :p
@grumpyoldgit99 Still not on the list, can you please explain further :p vox sanitatem
  • Score: 5

7:50am Thu 12 Jun 14

lokalgirl says...

I posted a comment yesterday and it seems to have disappeared!!!!! Thought we lived in a free country, and reading other comments mine was no different or in anyway abusive. So I will try again......These salaries cannot be justified, and with the spiel we get I wonder who is on another planet, them or me. It wasn't so long ago that members were wanting an increase in their expenses. What does frustrate me is that people get paid this ridiculous amount of money then we find out there has been some form of corruption, and us on planet earth (the tax payers) are left feeling let down and swindled.
I posted a comment yesterday and it seems to have disappeared!!!!! Thought we lived in a free country, and reading other comments mine was no different or in anyway abusive. So I will try again......These salaries cannot be justified, and with the spiel we get I wonder who is on another planet, them or me. It wasn't so long ago that members were wanting an increase in their expenses. What does frustrate me is that people get paid this ridiculous amount of money then we find out there has been some form of corruption, and us on planet earth (the tax payers) are left feeling let down and swindled. lokalgirl
  • Score: 9

8:10am Thu 12 Jun 14

Grumpyoldgit99 says...

vox sanitatem wrote:
@grumpyoldgit99

Still not on the list, can you please explain further :p
Yup. There does seem to be an issue. Perhaps it is an international conspiracy by the Illuminati.
[quote][p][bold]vox sanitatem[/bold] wrote: @grumpyoldgit99 Still not on the list, can you please explain further :p[/p][/quote]Yup. There does seem to be an issue. Perhaps it is an international conspiracy by the Illuminati. Grumpyoldgit99
  • Score: 4

9:19am Thu 12 Jun 14

MDP says...

Yes, I think we should be told what the policy is.

Please let us know, Wilts Times/G and H, whether you want us to comment or not, and why you are trying to draw a veil over the amount of ill-feeling this piece has stirred up.

Would you rather we just said how fantastic WC is?
Yes, I think we should be told what the policy is. Please let us know, Wilts Times/G and H, whether you want us to comment or not, and why you are trying to draw a veil over the amount of ill-feeling this piece has stirred up. Would you rather we just said how fantastic WC is? MDP
  • Score: 3

9:28am Thu 12 Jun 14

frankie007 says...

Methinks the WT needs to get out of Janey's pocket
Methinks the WT needs to get out of Janey's pocket frankie007
  • Score: 5

10:07am Thu 12 Jun 14

frankie007 says...

MDP wrote:
Yes, I think we should be told what the policy is.

Please let us know, Wilts Times/G and H, whether you want us to comment or not, and why you are trying to draw a veil over the amount of ill-feeling this piece has stirred up.

Would you rather we just said how fantastic WC is?
It would also be interesting to know their policy re what articles we're allowed or not allowed to comment on.
[quote][p][bold]MDP[/bold] wrote: Yes, I think we should be told what the policy is. Please let us know, Wilts Times/G and H, whether you want us to comment or not, and why you are trying to draw a veil over the amount of ill-feeling this piece has stirred up. Would you rather we just said how fantastic WC is?[/p][/quote]It would also be interesting to know their policy re what articles we're allowed or not allowed to comment on. frankie007
  • Score: 6

11:14am Thu 12 Jun 14

frankie007 says...

Oh yes, it has been updated today, the Mayor of Trowbridge has one comment.
What's the betting you'll have to go into your own history to find this one tomorrow?
Oh yes, it has been updated today, the Mayor of Trowbridge has one comment. What's the betting you'll have to go into your own history to find this one tomorrow? frankie007
  • Score: 2

11:22am Thu 12 Jun 14

shed says...

Its possible that reloading your tab may resolve the comments issue.
Mine is showing 38 at time of writing.

Readers of these columns should realise by now that the Gazette is heavily biased towards WCC, or else someone is leaning on it from within WCC.
Certainly it is censored in favour of WCC. when comments start hitting home.
Its possible that reloading your tab may resolve the comments issue. Mine is showing 38 at time of writing. Readers of these columns should realise by now that the Gazette is heavily biased towards WCC, or else someone is leaning on it from within WCC. Certainly it is censored in favour of WCC. when comments start hitting home. shed
  • Score: 5

11:23am Thu 12 Jun 14

MDP says...

Why have they mucked around with the order? You now have to scroll through looking at days and times to find the latest comment.

Is it a co-incidence that G Billington has been put last, perhaps WC has ordered this in the hope of attracting more favourable comment? (I looked up GB as I couldn't believe anyone would write anything so complimentary/cringi
ng, I see he is some sort of consultant who has done a couple of the many, many surveys that WC have commissioned, so perhaps he is hoping for more where they came from)
Why have they mucked around with the order? You now have to scroll through looking at days and times to find the latest comment. Is it a co-incidence that G Billington has been put last, perhaps WC has ordered this in the hope of attracting more favourable comment? (I looked up GB as I couldn't believe anyone would write anything so complimentary/cringi ng, I see he is some sort of consultant who has done a couple of the many, many surveys that WC have commissioned, so perhaps he is hoping for more where they came from) MDP
  • Score: 5

12:00pm Thu 12 Jun 14

garybillington says...

MDP wrote:
Why have they mucked around with the order? You now have to scroll through looking at days and times to find the latest comment. Is it a co-incidence that G Billington has been put last, perhaps WC has ordered this in the hope of attracting more favourable comment? (I looked up GB as I couldn't believe anyone would write anything so complimentary/cringi ng, I see he is some sort of consultant who has done a couple of the many, many surveys that WC have commissioned, so perhaps he is hoping for more where they came from)
A bit concerned about this comment - do you mind if I ask where you looked me up?

I suspect you found someone else with the same name, as although I do work for a consultancy firm, I certainly haven't had anything to do with any surveys WC have done nor do I have any affiliation with the Council.
[quote][p][bold]MDP[/bold] wrote: Why have they mucked around with the order? You now have to scroll through looking at days and times to find the latest comment. Is it a co-incidence that G Billington has been put last, perhaps WC has ordered this in the hope of attracting more favourable comment? (I looked up GB as I couldn't believe anyone would write anything so complimentary/cringi ng, I see he is some sort of consultant who has done a couple of the many, many surveys that WC have commissioned, so perhaps he is hoping for more where they came from)[/p][/quote]A bit concerned about this comment - do you mind if I ask where you looked me up? I suspect you found someone else with the same name, as although I do work for a consultancy firm, I certainly haven't had anything to do with any surveys WC have done nor do I have any affiliation with the Council. garybillington
  • Score: 3

12:10pm Thu 12 Jun 14

WiltsCanary1972 says...

I don't think the way to get work from the council will hinge on comments on this site - it is clear that no one in POWER at the council is interested in what people think of them.

I work in the council dealing with customers on a daily basis where I am located in County Hall all the Corporate Directors and Jane Scott walk past our team. Only Carlton says hello and JS looks down her nose at us as if we are something that she has stood in. Saying that she has NO idea who we are or what we do!!!!!!
I don't think the way to get work from the council will hinge on comments on this site - it is clear that no one in POWER at the council is interested in what people think of them. I work in the council dealing with customers on a daily basis where I am located in County Hall all the Corporate Directors and Jane Scott walk past our team. Only Carlton says hello and JS looks down her nose at us as if we are something that she has stood in. Saying that she has NO idea who we are or what we do!!!!!! WiltsCanary1972
  • Score: 9

12:26pm Thu 12 Jun 14

MDP says...

garybillington wrote:
MDP wrote:
Why have they mucked around with the order? You now have to scroll through looking at days and times to find the latest comment. Is it a co-incidence that G Billington has been put last, perhaps WC has ordered this in the hope of attracting more favourable comment? (I looked up GB as I couldn't believe anyone would write anything so complimentary/cringi ng, I see he is some sort of consultant who has done a couple of the many, many surveys that WC have commissioned, so perhaps he is hoping for more where they came from)
A bit concerned about this comment - do you mind if I ask where you looked me up?

I suspect you found someone else with the same name, as although I do work for a consultancy firm, I certainly haven't had anything to do with any surveys WC have done nor do I have any affiliation with the Council.
I am VERY sorry indeed, GB, if I have misrepresented you in any way. I put your name into Google, and it came up with references to two surveys, one about 'sustainable' transport in Wilts , and another about attitudes to Wiltshire libraries.

If you were not involved with these surveys, or even if you were, I should not have written in that way on a public forum. It was just the fact that the Gazette/Times had, for reasons best known to themselves, chosen to put your post right at the end, quite out of chronological order, and I rather smelled a rat.

Please forgive me. It is very refreshing and novel to hear from someone who is so appreciative of our council. However, your suggestion that they be paid even more because of the opprobrium they have to endure, seems a little over the top.
[quote][p][bold]garybillington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MDP[/bold] wrote: Why have they mucked around with the order? You now have to scroll through looking at days and times to find the latest comment. Is it a co-incidence that G Billington has been put last, perhaps WC has ordered this in the hope of attracting more favourable comment? (I looked up GB as I couldn't believe anyone would write anything so complimentary/cringi ng, I see he is some sort of consultant who has done a couple of the many, many surveys that WC have commissioned, so perhaps he is hoping for more where they came from)[/p][/quote]A bit concerned about this comment - do you mind if I ask where you looked me up? I suspect you found someone else with the same name, as although I do work for a consultancy firm, I certainly haven't had anything to do with any surveys WC have done nor do I have any affiliation with the Council.[/p][/quote]I am VERY sorry indeed, GB, if I have misrepresented you in any way. I put your name into Google, and it came up with references to two surveys, one about 'sustainable' transport in Wilts , and another about attitudes to Wiltshire libraries. If you were not involved with these surveys, or even if you were, I should not have written in that way on a public forum. It was just the fact that the Gazette/Times had, for reasons best known to themselves, chosen to put your post right at the end, quite out of chronological order, and I rather smelled a rat. Please forgive me. It is very refreshing and novel to hear from someone who is so appreciative of our council. However, your suggestion that they be paid even more because of the opprobrium they have to endure, seems a little over the top. MDP
  • Score: 4

1:07pm Thu 12 Jun 14

garybillington says...

@MDP - No worries, I was just more curious about the information you'd found rather than whether you agreed with my thoughts or not. I guess it's one of the disadvantages of using your real name on the internet rather than keeping yourself anonymous. I just tried it myself, and a few of the results have me as being either a director of several dissolved companies or a transport consultant in Lincoln! The only results which were actually about me were my twitter feed and my profile on the West Wilts snooker league site. It would appear the other Gary Billingtons of the world seem to have been much more successful than me :(

Whether I appreciate the council or not (some days I do, some days I don't), and whether or not I think the people in post are competent wasn't meant to be the point. I was merely pointing out that senior jobs like that have to pay significant salaries to get decent people in. It's not just senior roles, compare any government job to an equivalent private sector job & 90% of the time the government employee will earn significantly less.

The comment about paying more because of comments on threads like this was meant to be a bit tongue in cheek though!
@MDP - No worries, I was just more curious about the information you'd found rather than whether you agreed with my thoughts or not. I guess it's one of the disadvantages of using your real name on the internet rather than keeping yourself anonymous. I just tried it myself, and a few of the results have me as being either a director of several dissolved companies or a transport consultant in Lincoln! The only results which were actually about me were my twitter feed and my profile on the West Wilts snooker league site. It would appear the other Gary Billingtons of the world seem to have been much more successful than me :( Whether I appreciate the council or not (some days I do, some days I don't), and whether or not I think the people in post are competent wasn't meant to be the point. I was merely pointing out that senior jobs like that have to pay significant salaries to get decent people in. It's not just senior roles, compare any government job to an equivalent private sector job & 90% of the time the government employee will earn significantly less. The comment about paying more because of comments on threads like this was meant to be a bit tongue in cheek though! garybillington
  • Score: 4

1:26pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Grumpyoldgit99 says...

A point of interest. If you access this item through wiltshiretimes.co.uk it does not register under most commented. However, if you access this item through http://www.gazettean
dherald.co.uk it is most commented with 45 messages at the last count.
A point of interest. If you access this item through wiltshiretimes.co.uk it does not register under most commented. However, if you access this item through http://www.gazettean dherald.co.uk it is most commented with 45 messages at the last count. Grumpyoldgit99
  • Score: 6

4:21pm Thu 12 Jun 14

vox sanitatem says...

you're right. The plot thickens, maybe it's an IT bod we need rather than a numbers one!!
you're right. The plot thickens, maybe it's an IT bod we need rather than a numbers one!! vox sanitatem
  • Score: 3

9:30am Fri 13 Jun 14

Garden1 says...

'Corporate director Maggie Rae, who earns up to £148,271 a year while David Cameron earns £142,500'.

Use of the word EARNS always bothers me in peices like this.
Apparently Wayne Rooney EARNS up to £250,000 a week.
It is what they're salaried. They sure as hell don't EARN it.
'Corporate director Maggie Rae, who earns up to £148,271 a year while David Cameron earns £142,500'. Use of the word EARNS always bothers me in peices like this. Apparently Wayne Rooney EARNS up to £250,000 a week. It is what they're salaried. They sure as hell don't EARN it. Garden1
  • Score: 9

1:22am Sun 15 Jun 14

Toomuch says...

What I don't get is the government are meant to be working for the people who put them in power.

Who put this lady in charge and why can't we fight what salary she is on?
What I don't get is the government are meant to be working for the people who put them in power. Who put this lady in charge and why can't we fight what salary she is on? Toomuch
  • Score: 15

6:06am Mon 16 Jun 14

lokalgirl says...

WILTSHIRE COUNCIL.......... WHERE EVERYBODY MATTERS. Let''s reflect on that statement a moment. Ok enough already, I was brought up to always tell the truth and this is the biggest porky I've ever heard.
WILTSHIRE COUNCIL.......... WHERE EVERYBODY MATTERS. Let''s reflect on that statement a moment. Ok enough already, I was brought up to always tell the truth and this is the biggest porky I've ever heard. lokalgirl
  • Score: 10

12:27pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Elboo1992 says...

Are there any other frontline WC staff out there who feel utterly mutinous?
Are there any other frontline WC staff out there who feel utterly mutinous? Elboo1992
  • Score: 6

12:30pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Elboo1992 says...

We could start a campaign - 'Mutiny on the County'!
We could start a campaign - 'Mutiny on the County'! Elboo1992
  • Score: 11

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