"We were dealing with rogues" - Power reacts after retaining STFC ownership in High Court ruling

This Is Wiltshire: Lee Power remains chairman and owner at the County Ground Lee Power remains chairman and owner at the County Ground

LEE Power remains the owner and chairman of Swindon Town Football Club after a High Court judge ruled in his favour this morning.

In a very short hearing following a two-day case last week, Nicholas Strauss QC, deputy judge of the High Court, found the share subscription agreement between Swinton Reds 20 and Seebeck 87 had been extended for three years last May.

Swinton Reds, the holding company owned by Power, had sought rectification of the register of Seebeck, which owns 98.5 per cent of shares in the club.

Power’s holding company claimed to have acquired 99 per cent of the shares in Seebeck from Jed McCrory, Town’s former chairman, which Judge Strauss held up.

Speaking to the media after the hearing, Power said: “Without Sangita the football club would be in a lot of, lot of trouble. Obviously I live overseas and there’s been so much nonsense over the last seven months.

“I said to the fans it’s been very difficult for me because we can’t say much because of the proceedings, but Sangita has been there day-in-day-out, worked 14, 15-hour days on this case.

“We were dealing with rogues. There’s no other way to describe it, they’ve tried everything they can under the sun, as you can see by the evidence there and obviously by the judge’s summing up.

“Lie after lie, Mr McCrory’s told. He’s been found out, but it’s caused the football club a lot of damage over the last two or three months.

“Season tickets have stopped, sponsors have pulled out because of the uncertainty and it’s been left to myself and Sangita to financially pick up the pieces and fund the club because we’ve had no income.

“And secondly, our own reputations [have] been on the line and I feel that from when I took over there’s been, like some people, unsure about things.

“The only good thing out of this court case, hopefully now, was that the fans can now see what’s fact not hearsay - I’ve spent over £2m on this football club.

“I’ve tried and worked as hard as I can. Like the judge says in his summing up, I’ve done nothing, but tell the truth so I’m hoping now that the fans will get behind us and start buying the season tickets because I can’t do it on my own.

“We’ve got a job to do now, which is to try and sign some players, get a team ready for the start of the season, but we need the fans back on-side.

“Hopefully we’ve seen the back of these people. These aren’t the type of people we want in football.”

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12:58pm Tue 1 Jul 14

redbythesea says...

Sounds like it was a good job that Jed brought Sangitha into the club then 😃
Sounds like it was a good job that Jed brought Sangitha into the club then 😃 redbythesea
  • Score: 12

1:00pm Tue 1 Jul 14

bradley red 1 says...

Just about sums up my feelings from day one back in feb 2013! The writing was on the wall and yes the football club has been badly damaged,patey,black and the football league have many questions to answer letting this occur with these individuals.
Just about sums up my feelings from day one back in feb 2013! The writing was on the wall and yes the football club has been badly damaged,patey,black and the football league have many questions to answer letting this occur with these individuals. bradley red 1
  • Score: 16

1:00pm Tue 1 Jul 14

joner100 says...

Remarkable stuff. My feelings about Jed and the original group who took over the club proved to be spot on - they looked and talked like a bunch of dodgy chancers. Swiss Tony from the Fast Show, sprang to mind at the time.
Remarkable stuff. My feelings about Jed and the original group who took over the club proved to be spot on - they looked and talked like a bunch of dodgy chancers. Swiss Tony from the Fast Show, sprang to mind at the time. joner100
  • Score: 8

1:00pm Tue 1 Jul 14

swindonurock says...

Fabulous! This is great news. Congratulations to Lee Power!!

I hope all of this can now be behind STFC and Mr. Power can focus on being successful with the club, which I have every confidence he will be.
Fabulous! This is great news. Congratulations to Lee Power!! I hope all of this can now be behind STFC and Mr. Power can focus on being successful with the club, which I have every confidence he will be. swindonurock
  • Score: 16

1:01pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Oi Den! says...

Pretty much what most of us thought. Any chance of seeing the whole of the summing up? This is important stuff for us.

One reservation though: what about the glowing tributes Ms Shah paid to McCrory? Did it really take her so long to realise what he was about?
Pretty much what most of us thought. Any chance of seeing the whole of the summing up? This is important stuff for us. One reservation though: what about the glowing tributes Ms Shah paid to McCrory? Did it really take her so long to realise what he was about? Oi Den!
  • Score: 1

1:02pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Ian13 says...

Good result :-)
Good result :-) Ian13
  • Score: 3

1:04pm Tue 1 Jul 14

London Red says...

I just hope all the Power bashers now see a bit more sense and start to back him rather than demanding he be removed too!
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£2m is a lot of money full stop - let alone in only 12 months!
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It seems this was a Diamondis situation all over again he has saved our club!
I just hope all the Power bashers now see a bit more sense and start to back him rather than demanding he be removed too! . £2m is a lot of money full stop - let alone in only 12 months! . It seems this was a Diamondis situation all over again he has saved our club! London Red
  • Score: 13

1:07pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Oi Den! says...

bradley red 1 wrote:
Just about sums up my feelings from day one back in feb 2013! The writing was on the wall and yes the football club has been badly damaged,patey,black and the football league have many questions to answer letting this occur with these individuals.
But if you looked back at posts on here at the time of the takeover, I'm sure you'd find that there were loads of people clamouring for the Football League to approve the deal. Maybe the League ended up giving McCrory the benefit of the doubt to avoid the club going into administration. If our man Patey had shown the commonsense of the Cheltenham chairman, the Banbury Bullshiitter would never have got his foot in the door.
[quote][p][bold]bradley red 1[/bold] wrote: Just about sums up my feelings from day one back in feb 2013! The writing was on the wall and yes the football club has been badly damaged,patey,black and the football league have many questions to answer letting this occur with these individuals.[/p][/quote]But if you looked back at posts on here at the time of the takeover, I'm sure you'd find that there were loads of people clamouring for the Football League to approve the deal. Maybe the League ended up giving McCrory the benefit of the doubt to avoid the club going into administration. If our man Patey had shown the commonsense of the Cheltenham chairman, the Banbury Bullshiitter would never have got his foot in the door. Oi Den!
  • Score: 15

1:08pm Tue 1 Jul 14

EastleazeRed says...

redbythesea wrote:
Sounds like it was a good job that Jed brought Sangitha into the club then 😃
She does a cracking drag act in the directors suite at half time .
[quote][p][bold]redbythesea[/bold] wrote: Sounds like it was a good job that Jed brought Sangitha into the club then 😃[/p][/quote]She does a cracking drag act in the directors suite at half time . EastleazeRed
  • Score: -21

1:19pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Since 1950 says...

Like I've said before. Sir Bill Patey and Black couldn't wait to get shot of the club to the first person to come along with a quid in their hand without questioning motive and intent. You really have to question the 'fit and proper' test if they let that bunch of charlatans own the club.

That was a close call! Now lets pick up the pieces and try and take this club forward.

Might order that new shirt now! COYR!
Like I've said before. Sir Bill Patey and Black couldn't wait to get shot of the club to the first person to come along with a quid in their hand without questioning motive and intent. You really have to question the 'fit and proper' test if they let that bunch of charlatans own the club. That was a close call! Now lets pick up the pieces and try and take this club forward. Might order that new shirt now! COYR! Since 1950
  • Score: 10

1:23pm Tue 1 Jul 14

LeGod says...

Jeds intention was to destroy this club for his own benefit i hope Power can take other legal action over this crook Jed and destroys him.
We all need to get behind Power now and support the club as like he says he cant do it all himself. I for one will be renewing my season ticket now and i hope many other follow. Thats our bit for supporting the club and lets hope we can get more sponsors and investors in to support Power.
Good on you LP.
Jeds intention was to destroy this club for his own benefit i hope Power can take other legal action over this crook Jed and destroys him. We all need to get behind Power now and support the club as like he says he cant do it all himself. I for one will be renewing my season ticket now and i hope many other follow. Thats our bit for supporting the club and lets hope we can get more sponsors and investors in to support Power. Good on you LP. LeGod
  • Score: 14

1:25pm Tue 1 Jul 14

mr_flibble says...

Where are all the 'lets give Jed a chance' and the 'fredi is a liar' crew now?

Many of us saw straight through Jed's charm offensive from the start, yet we got called doom and gloom mongers.

Jed hoped the club would get promoted to the championship so he could sell it for a heafty price = the £4million increase in income (Mark Devlins estimates from Brentford).

Showed that KMac was a total shambles of an appointment and what a waste to what was a promising season.

Ah well, hopefully now Power can build a few bridges, starting with the adver and listen to fans when he realises the 3 tiered pricing structure doesnt work. Its also grossly unfair to the away fans of bigger teams.
Where are all the 'lets give Jed a chance' and the 'fredi is a liar' crew now? Many of us saw straight through Jed's charm offensive from the start, yet we got called doom and gloom mongers. Jed hoped the club would get promoted to the championship so he could sell it for a heafty price = the £4million increase in income (Mark Devlins estimates from Brentford). Showed that KMac was a total shambles of an appointment and what a waste to what was a promising season. Ah well, hopefully now Power can build a few bridges, starting with the adver and listen to fans when he realises the 3 tiered pricing structure doesnt work. Its also grossly unfair to the away fans of bigger teams. mr_flibble
  • Score: -9

1:25pm Tue 1 Jul 14

the wizard says...

For a long time we've wanted somebody who is a football person in charge and now we have one. Its said he hasn't got a lot of money, but he has managed to so far put in £2M. That is a lot of dosh with no guarantee that he'll ever see any of it back. He has gone to court and been proven to tell the truth. He has contacts within the game who trust him with their rising stars. In his first season he cobbled together a combative side which did better than we all could have hoped for. I think we should be thanking our lucky stars that one, we are still here, two we have somebody like Power in charge and three somebody who is prepared to put in the full effort required to steer this club through all the skeletons that have been found in the cupboard since the car crash was cleared up. Well done to Lee Power and Cooper at his right hand and Shah who has proven a lot of us wrong in our opinions of her.
I am happy for them to continue and look forward to the next season and hopefully another term of team building and decent results overall.
For a long time we've wanted somebody who is a football person in charge and now we have one. Its said he hasn't got a lot of money, but he has managed to so far put in £2M. That is a lot of dosh with no guarantee that he'll ever see any of it back. He has gone to court and been proven to tell the truth. He has contacts within the game who trust him with their rising stars. In his first season he cobbled together a combative side which did better than we all could have hoped for. I think we should be thanking our lucky stars that one, we are still here, two we have somebody like Power in charge and three somebody who is prepared to put in the full effort required to steer this club through all the skeletons that have been found in the cupboard since the car crash was cleared up. Well done to Lee Power and Cooper at his right hand and Shah who has proven a lot of us wrong in our opinions of her. I am happy for them to continue and look forward to the next season and hopefully another term of team building and decent results overall. the wizard
  • Score: 45

1:25pm Tue 1 Jul 14

mike1990 says...

So the football leagues fit and proper test is not fit for purpose if it lets ROGUES take over clubs. BLACK did not give a shat he sold to a Rogue and put our club in peril, as I said before Black&football league put STFC in deep peril, I will now be buying my season ticket again and the new shirt, hope many more will,hope Power can get in a few more good loans ready for the new season.
So the football leagues fit and proper test is not fit for purpose if it lets ROGUES take over clubs. BLACK did not give a shat he sold to a Rogue and put our club in peril, as I said before Black&football league put STFC in deep peril, I will now be buying my season ticket again and the new shirt, hope many more will,hope Power can get in a few more good loans ready for the new season. mike1990
  • Score: 22

1:25pm Tue 1 Jul 14

swinray says...

We can all now hope that this sorry saga is behind us, and focus can return to the football. STFC have had far too much off the field happenings over the years, and an overdue period of stability should see us progress. The concern remains that something like ownership was not known by Power, and the Board still seems very light on commercial expertise and experience. Recruitment on and off the pitch awaited!
We can all now hope that this sorry saga is behind us, and focus can return to the football. STFC have had far too much off the field happenings over the years, and an overdue period of stability should see us progress. The concern remains that something like ownership was not known by Power, and the Board still seems very light on commercial expertise and experience. Recruitment on and off the pitch awaited! swinray
  • Score: 2

1:29pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Wilesy says...

Oi Den! wrote:
bradley red 1 wrote:
Just about sums up my feelings from day one back in feb 2013! The writing was on the wall and yes the football club has been badly damaged,patey,black and the football league have many questions to answer letting this occur with these individuals.
But if you looked back at posts on here at the time of the takeover, I'm sure you'd find that there were loads of people clamouring for the Football League to approve the deal. Maybe the League ended up giving McCrory the benefit of the doubt to avoid the club going into administration. If our man Patey had shown the commonsense of the Cheltenham chairman, the Banbury Bullshiitter would never have got his foot in the door.
I'm no fan of Patey but harsh to blame him for a lack of common sense.

A huge difference in circumstances - Cheltenham under no pressure to sell so quite rightly did their due dilligence and turned the offer down, while Swindon faced the unenviable choice of panic selling to McCrory or facing administration, thanks to Black.

At the time no-one really knew what we were getting into with the McCrory crew and it was only over time that the reality hit home, so as the decision was take a chance on McCrory or go into adminstration I don't see why that was such a bad decision at that time.

Would the decision even be different now, knowing the truth about McCrory?

The Football League actually have a vested interest in keeping clubs afloat, so I can see to an extent why they would permit these people to get involved, even if there is some doubt about their suitability, and I'm sure the people involved put forward a compelling case.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradley red 1[/bold] wrote: Just about sums up my feelings from day one back in feb 2013! The writing was on the wall and yes the football club has been badly damaged,patey,black and the football league have many questions to answer letting this occur with these individuals.[/p][/quote]But if you looked back at posts on here at the time of the takeover, I'm sure you'd find that there were loads of people clamouring for the Football League to approve the deal. Maybe the League ended up giving McCrory the benefit of the doubt to avoid the club going into administration. If our man Patey had shown the commonsense of the Cheltenham chairman, the Banbury Bullshiitter would never have got his foot in the door.[/p][/quote]I'm no fan of Patey but harsh to blame him for a lack of common sense. A huge difference in circumstances - Cheltenham under no pressure to sell so quite rightly did their due dilligence and turned the offer down, while Swindon faced the unenviable choice of panic selling to McCrory or facing administration, thanks to Black. At the time no-one really knew what we were getting into with the McCrory crew and it was only over time that the reality hit home, so as the decision was take a chance on McCrory or go into adminstration I don't see why that was such a bad decision at that time. Would the decision even be different now, knowing the truth about McCrory? The Football League actually have a vested interest in keeping clubs afloat, so I can see to an extent why they would permit these people to get involved, even if there is some doubt about their suitability, and I'm sure the people involved put forward a compelling case. Wilesy
  • Score: 6

1:32pm Tue 1 Jul 14

International Robin2 says...

Good riddance to that fat lying slug. A massive thank you to Lee Power for all he's done for this club to date and I hope it continues. Mr. Power, you have my backing!

P.S. Jed, we'll have that car back too! Now, sling your hook you disgusting human being
Good riddance to that fat lying slug. A massive thank you to Lee Power for all he's done for this club to date and I hope it continues. Mr. Power, you have my backing! P.S. Jed, we'll have that car back too! Now, sling your hook you disgusting human being International Robin2
  • Score: 12

1:33pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Cleuso says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Pretty much what most of us thought. Any chance of seeing the whole of the summing up? This is important stuff for us.

One reservation though: what about the glowing tributes Ms Shah paid to McCrory? Did it really take her so long to realise what he was about?
OI Den, stop trying to kick up another "mess" when it is quite obvious we have a lot to thank her for it seems from Power's comments.

Unfortunately that sort of thing has become common place with fans , clear up one and mess and introduce another "issue" to keep the pot boiling. With that type of behaviour we will never make progress and always complaining about something else and never be succcessful.

I don't think for one moment it took her a long time to realise what Jed was about... clearly her detailed forensic investigation of the finances threw up enough to decide what Jed was about. That was all quite a time a go now and quite soon after the takeover from Black. The fact that would be published in full and then it was not, is now quite obvious - with the issues of the ongoing cases, it no doubts forms part of the evidence.

Think fans should accept that.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Pretty much what most of us thought. Any chance of seeing the whole of the summing up? This is important stuff for us. One reservation though: what about the glowing tributes Ms Shah paid to McCrory? Did it really take her so long to realise what he was about?[/p][/quote]OI Den, stop trying to kick up another "mess" when it is quite obvious we have a lot to thank her for it seems from Power's comments. Unfortunately that sort of thing has become common place with fans , clear up one and mess and introduce another "issue" to keep the pot boiling. With that type of behaviour we will never make progress and always complaining about something else and never be succcessful. I don't think for one moment it took her a long time to realise what Jed was about... clearly her detailed forensic investigation of the finances threw up enough to decide what Jed was about. That was all quite a time a go now and quite soon after the takeover from Black. The fact that would be published in full and then it was not, is now quite obvious - with the issues of the ongoing cases, it no doubts forms part of the evidence. Think fans should accept that. Cleuso
  • Score: 22

1:33pm Tue 1 Jul 14

bradley red 1 says...

mr_flibble wrote:
Where are all the 'lets give Jed a chance' and the 'fredi is a liar' crew now?

Many of us saw straight through Jed's charm offensive from the start, yet we got called doom and gloom mongers.

Jed hoped the club would get promoted to the championship so he could sell it for a heafty price = the £4million increase in income (Mark Devlins estimates from Brentford).

Showed that KMac was a total shambles of an appointment and what a waste to what was a promising season.

Ah well, hopefully now Power can build a few bridges, starting with the adver and listen to fans when he realises the 3 tiered pricing structure doesnt work. Its also grossly unfair to the away fans of bigger teams.
Here,Here! well said.
[quote][p][bold]mr_flibble[/bold] wrote: Where are all the 'lets give Jed a chance' and the 'fredi is a liar' crew now? Many of us saw straight through Jed's charm offensive from the start, yet we got called doom and gloom mongers. Jed hoped the club would get promoted to the championship so he could sell it for a heafty price = the £4million increase in income (Mark Devlins estimates from Brentford). Showed that KMac was a total shambles of an appointment and what a waste to what was a promising season. Ah well, hopefully now Power can build a few bridges, starting with the adver and listen to fans when he realises the 3 tiered pricing structure doesnt work. Its also grossly unfair to the away fans of bigger teams.[/p][/quote]Here,Here! well said. bradley red 1
  • Score: 0

1:37pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Oi Den! says...

mr_flibble wrote:
Where are all the 'lets give Jed a chance' and the 'fredi is a liar' crew now?

Many of us saw straight through Jed's charm offensive from the start, yet we got called doom and gloom mongers.

Jed hoped the club would get promoted to the championship so he could sell it for a heafty price = the £4million increase in income (Mark Devlins estimates from Brentford).

Showed that KMac was a total shambles of an appointment and what a waste to what was a promising season.

Ah well, hopefully now Power can build a few bridges, starting with the adver and listen to fans when he realises the 3 tiered pricing structure doesnt work. Its also grossly unfair to the away fans of bigger teams.
I'm with you on most of that, except the MacDonald appointment. I doubt that we could have done better at the time. He picked up a team that had just lost 3 or 4 key players and he wasn't able to replace them. There was no chance of success with what he had to work with. The job sold to him by McCrory was probably very different from the reality (surprise surprise!) and he walked as soon as it became clear that he was being taken for a ride. MacDonald showed signs that he could have done a good job in decent circumstances.
[quote][p][bold]mr_flibble[/bold] wrote: Where are all the 'lets give Jed a chance' and the 'fredi is a liar' crew now? Many of us saw straight through Jed's charm offensive from the start, yet we got called doom and gloom mongers. Jed hoped the club would get promoted to the championship so he could sell it for a heafty price = the £4million increase in income (Mark Devlins estimates from Brentford). Showed that KMac was a total shambles of an appointment and what a waste to what was a promising season. Ah well, hopefully now Power can build a few bridges, starting with the adver and listen to fans when he realises the 3 tiered pricing structure doesnt work. Its also grossly unfair to the away fans of bigger teams.[/p][/quote]I'm with you on most of that, except the MacDonald appointment. I doubt that we could have done better at the time. He picked up a team that had just lost 3 or 4 key players and he wasn't able to replace them. There was no chance of success with what he had to work with. The job sold to him by McCrory was probably very different from the reality (surprise surprise!) and he walked as soon as it became clear that he was being taken for a ride. MacDonald showed signs that he could have done a good job in decent circumstances. Oi Den!
  • Score: 5

1:49pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Archive Robin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
mr_flibble wrote:
Where are all the 'lets give Jed a chance' and the 'fredi is a liar' crew now?

Many of us saw straight through Jed's charm offensive from the start, yet we got called doom and gloom mongers.

Jed hoped the club would get promoted to the championship so he could sell it for a heafty price = the £4million increase in income (Mark Devlins estimates from Brentford).

Showed that KMac was a total shambles of an appointment and what a waste to what was a promising season.

Ah well, hopefully now Power can build a few bridges, starting with the adver and listen to fans when he realises the 3 tiered pricing structure doesnt work. Its also grossly unfair to the away fans of bigger teams.
I'm with you on most of that, except the MacDonald appointment. I doubt that we could have done better at the time. He picked up a team that had just lost 3 or 4 key players and he wasn't able to replace them. There was no chance of success with what he had to work with. The job sold to him by McCrory was probably very different from the reality (surprise surprise!) and he walked as soon as it became clear that he was being taken for a ride. MacDonald showed signs that he could have done a good job in decent circumstances.
Totally agree with you on the KMac point Den - none of us will ever know what was said to him but they sold the dream to him only for it to become a nightmare when the reality of the situation became apparent to him. He was also unlucky in the respect that he replaced the irreplaceable in Paulo - I doubt anyone would have matched up to the standards required to be PDC after the success he had. It would be great if they could get KMac back as youth team coach - doubt it would happen but he has done extremely well in that role in the past.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr_flibble[/bold] wrote: Where are all the 'lets give Jed a chance' and the 'fredi is a liar' crew now? Many of us saw straight through Jed's charm offensive from the start, yet we got called doom and gloom mongers. Jed hoped the club would get promoted to the championship so he could sell it for a heafty price = the £4million increase in income (Mark Devlins estimates from Brentford). Showed that KMac was a total shambles of an appointment and what a waste to what was a promising season. Ah well, hopefully now Power can build a few bridges, starting with the adver and listen to fans when he realises the 3 tiered pricing structure doesnt work. Its also grossly unfair to the away fans of bigger teams.[/p][/quote]I'm with you on most of that, except the MacDonald appointment. I doubt that we could have done better at the time. He picked up a team that had just lost 3 or 4 key players and he wasn't able to replace them. There was no chance of success with what he had to work with. The job sold to him by McCrory was probably very different from the reality (surprise surprise!) and he walked as soon as it became clear that he was being taken for a ride. MacDonald showed signs that he could have done a good job in decent circumstances.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you on the KMac point Den - none of us will ever know what was said to him but they sold the dream to him only for it to become a nightmare when the reality of the situation became apparent to him. He was also unlucky in the respect that he replaced the irreplaceable in Paulo - I doubt anyone would have matched up to the standards required to be PDC after the success he had. It would be great if they could get KMac back as youth team coach - doubt it would happen but he has done extremely well in that role in the past. Archive Robin
  • Score: 2

1:54pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Oi Den! says...

Cleuso wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Pretty much what most of us thought. Any chance of seeing the whole of the summing up? This is important stuff for us.

One reservation though: what about the glowing tributes Ms Shah paid to McCrory? Did it really take her so long to realise what he was about?
OI Den, stop trying to kick up another "mess" when it is quite obvious we have a lot to thank her for it seems from Power's comments.

Unfortunately that sort of thing has become common place with fans , clear up one and mess and introduce another "issue" to keep the pot boiling. With that type of behaviour we will never make progress and always complaining about something else and never be succcessful.

I don't think for one moment it took her a long time to realise what Jed was about... clearly her detailed forensic investigation of the finances threw up enough to decide what Jed was about. That was all quite a time a go now and quite soon after the takeover from Black. The fact that would be published in full and then it was not, is now quite obvious - with the issues of the ongoing cases, it no doubts forms part of the evidence.

Think fans should accept that.
I don't think any of us has any right to tell anyone what they should accept but as it happens I do accept that she has probably done the club a service. I still believe the point is valid though.

Adver, July 2013:

Shah, then, may be better placed than most to give a character reference for her colleague – and when asked by the Advertiser to do so she gave a glowing and honest assessment of McCrory’s attributes.
“You take Jed and a lot of people say ‘what do you do with Jed because what he’s saying can’t be true’.

“I can vouch for seven or eight years – what you see is what you get with Jed. Pure transparency. There are some things you shouldn’t say straight away and if there’s one criticism of Jed it’s that he says it as he sees it without perhaps cloaking it.”

Seven or eight years of pure transparency?
[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Pretty much what most of us thought. Any chance of seeing the whole of the summing up? This is important stuff for us. One reservation though: what about the glowing tributes Ms Shah paid to McCrory? Did it really take her so long to realise what he was about?[/p][/quote]OI Den, stop trying to kick up another "mess" when it is quite obvious we have a lot to thank her for it seems from Power's comments. Unfortunately that sort of thing has become common place with fans , clear up one and mess and introduce another "issue" to keep the pot boiling. With that type of behaviour we will never make progress and always complaining about something else and never be succcessful. I don't think for one moment it took her a long time to realise what Jed was about... clearly her detailed forensic investigation of the finances threw up enough to decide what Jed was about. That was all quite a time a go now and quite soon after the takeover from Black. The fact that would be published in full and then it was not, is now quite obvious - with the issues of the ongoing cases, it no doubts forms part of the evidence. Think fans should accept that.[/p][/quote]I don't think any of us has any right to tell anyone what they should accept but as it happens I do accept that she has probably done the club a service. I still believe the point is valid though. Adver, July 2013: Shah, then, may be better placed than most to give a character reference for her colleague – and when asked by the Advertiser to do so she gave a glowing and honest assessment of McCrory’s attributes. “You take Jed and a lot of people say ‘what do you do with Jed because what he’s saying can’t be true’. “I can vouch for seven or eight years – what you see is what you get with Jed. Pure transparency. There are some things you shouldn’t say straight away and if there’s one criticism of Jed it’s that he says it as he sees it without perhaps cloaking it.” Seven or eight years of pure transparency? Oi Den!
  • Score: -6

2:01pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Another view says...

It's all suddenly looking a lot more positive. We might have to depend on a few loan players again this season, as it's late in the day, and Lee is not made of money, though that policy worked pretty well last season. With a year's experience under his belt Mark Cooper should be confident of a serious push towards the play-offs this time round.

Sangita Shah has sounded a bit woolly in her statements in the past, including the promise to open up of the books for us all to see towards the end of last year. The problems that have now been resolved in court were probably the reason for her backtracking. The important issue is she has produced the goods to ensure a 100% victory in court.

I'm feeling a lot more confident about the future of STFC on and and off the pitch.
It's all suddenly looking a lot more positive. We might have to depend on a few loan players again this season, as it's late in the day, and Lee is not made of money, though that policy worked pretty well last season. With a year's experience under his belt Mark Cooper should be confident of a serious push towards the play-offs this time round. Sangita Shah has sounded a bit woolly in her statements in the past, including the promise to open up of the books for us all to see towards the end of last year. The problems that have now been resolved in court were probably the reason for her backtracking. The important issue is she has produced the goods to ensure a 100% victory in court. I'm feeling a lot more confident about the future of STFC on and and off the pitch. Another view
  • Score: 6

2:15pm Tue 1 Jul 14

the wizard says...

Wilesy wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
bradley red 1 wrote:
Just about sums up my feelings from day one back in feb 2013! The writing was on the wall and yes the football club has been badly damaged,patey,black and the football league have many questions to answer letting this occur with these individuals.
But if you looked back at posts on here at the time of the takeover, I'm sure you'd find that there were loads of people clamouring for the Football League to approve the deal. Maybe the League ended up giving McCrory the benefit of the doubt to avoid the club going into administration. If our man Patey had shown the commonsense of the Cheltenham chairman, the Banbury Bullshiitter would never have got his foot in the door.
I'm no fan of Patey but harsh to blame him for a lack of common sense.

A huge difference in circumstances - Cheltenham under no pressure to sell so quite rightly did their due dilligence and turned the offer down, while Swindon faced the unenviable choice of panic selling to McCrory or facing administration, thanks to Black.

At the time no-one really knew what we were getting into with the McCrory crew and it was only over time that the reality hit home, so as the decision was take a chance on McCrory or go into adminstration I don't see why that was such a bad decision at that time.

Would the decision even be different now, knowing the truth about McCrory?

The Football League actually have a vested interest in keeping clubs afloat, so I can see to an extent why they would permit these people to get involved, even if there is some doubt about their suitability, and I'm sure the people involved put forward a compelling case.
Hi Wilesy, Well I saw Patey on Newsnight a couple of weeks ago, and the guy had no idea on his chosen subject, the Middle East, so what chance did we have as a football club. Like many of us, he likes football, but like many owners and directors he had little grasp of what it takes to run or more importantly, sell a club on. I don't think there are "experts" in selling clubs, not in the same vein as say selling cars, furniture or double glazing, each to their own. However what is needed is somebody with a business acumen and somebody who is able to verify the authenticity of the purchasers. I'll maintain to my dieing day that Patey had the brief from Black, to get shot at all costs, which is what he did, like a **** selling on an old nail of a van that's been botched to go over the short term at the expense of any longevity. The saving grace is that we have managed to come through another force ten storm, reasonably unscathed, and for that we should all be grateful and looking forward with a positive eye to the future, something which I know you will be doing and a great many of us will be joining in on that quest.
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradley red 1[/bold] wrote: Just about sums up my feelings from day one back in feb 2013! The writing was on the wall and yes the football club has been badly damaged,patey,black and the football league have many questions to answer letting this occur with these individuals.[/p][/quote]But if you looked back at posts on here at the time of the takeover, I'm sure you'd find that there were loads of people clamouring for the Football League to approve the deal. Maybe the League ended up giving McCrory the benefit of the doubt to avoid the club going into administration. If our man Patey had shown the commonsense of the Cheltenham chairman, the Banbury Bullshiitter would never have got his foot in the door.[/p][/quote]I'm no fan of Patey but harsh to blame him for a lack of common sense. A huge difference in circumstances - Cheltenham under no pressure to sell so quite rightly did their due dilligence and turned the offer down, while Swindon faced the unenviable choice of panic selling to McCrory or facing administration, thanks to Black. At the time no-one really knew what we were getting into with the McCrory crew and it was only over time that the reality hit home, so as the decision was take a chance on McCrory or go into adminstration I don't see why that was such a bad decision at that time. Would the decision even be different now, knowing the truth about McCrory? The Football League actually have a vested interest in keeping clubs afloat, so I can see to an extent why they would permit these people to get involved, even if there is some doubt about their suitability, and I'm sure the people involved put forward a compelling case.[/p][/quote]Hi Wilesy, Well I saw Patey on Newsnight a couple of weeks ago, and the guy had no idea on his chosen subject, the Middle East, so what chance did we have as a football club. Like many of us, he likes football, but like many owners and directors he had little grasp of what it takes to run or more importantly, sell a club on. I don't think there are "experts" in selling clubs, not in the same vein as say selling cars, furniture or double glazing, each to their own. However what is needed is somebody with a business acumen and somebody who is able to verify the authenticity of the purchasers. I'll maintain to my dieing day that Patey had the brief from Black, to get shot at all costs, which is what he did, like a **** selling on an old nail of a van that's been botched to go over the short term at the expense of any longevity. The saving grace is that we have managed to come through another force ten storm, reasonably unscathed, and for that we should all be grateful and looking forward with a positive eye to the future, something which I know you will be doing and a great many of us will be joining in on that quest. the wizard
  • Score: 0

2:55pm Tue 1 Jul 14

london paolo says...

Myself and several others took a lot of flak on here when from the outset we called Jedda for what he is - a con man and a scumbag. Sales of humble pie must be up in Swindon.

Power has made comments about money being stolen from the club, again something that a lot of people suspected was happening, whether in the guise of salaries, consultancy fees, special dividends, expenses or whatever. I would like to see him substantiate these claims and take further action against Jedda. If money has been taken, it should be returned. All directors' decisions must be in the interests of the company at all times, although it's difficult to prove when they're otherwise.

Probably time though to get on with football matters. Too much valuable time has been lost. Some good players showing at the World Cup. That Mexican goalkeeper Ochoa for one, and the Algerian team played superbly last night, many don't have clubs. Seriously though, we're more likely to be shopping in Poundland. I had hoped that Tim Sherwood would get the Southampton manager's job, given their excellent academy. With the Spurs link broken, it will be interesting to see how Power evolves the 'feeder club' strategy.

Still a few things don't sit easy with me though. Sanghita Shah. Apart from her supposedly being a sidekick of Jed, with her saying what a wonderful guy he was and how open and transparent he was (more like you can see straight through him). Now she's Power's best friend. What happened to the audit she rather patronisingly said she would give fans a simplified commentary on? Nothing. And did she really need to work 14-15 hours a day on this court case? You would have thought that if the evidence was there in an email or other documentation, it was an open and shut case. Just get the emails and present them in court.

The fact that Power lives in Switzerland leaving Shah in charge also sounds very wobbly. Why doesn't he appoint another director, or chief executive? The club is crying out for one. What is Shah's motivation given she knows nothing about football? The idea that the club is being run by an Indian journalist, with the owner barking instructions through his Alpine horn many miles away, is fragile to say the least.

We were told that Power bought 60% of the club from Jedda, which left him with 40%. Now some people are saying that Power bought 98% of Seebeck. If Jedda still has a significant stake in the club, and has been exposed and humiliated in this way, he may cause further trouble. He should just dump his shares and walk away, but he's not like that is he?

I don't want to doubt Power has put £2m in, but do we need to read between the lines? When Jed took over the club was losing anything between £110-200k a week. But the wage bill was slashed very quickly as we all know, to around £2.5-2.6m. Again, if we saw the 'audit' we might have a better idea about this figure and the income figures. And the fact that Power put in £1.2m initially to show the Football League, then withdrew it a few days later, show how spurious statements on money can be.

If he has put £2m in then we must be grateful. Presumably though, he wants to recover it somehow? That isn't going to come without difficulties. While I want to believe, the fact that Power had two previous companies that each went tits up with debts of over £2m and creditors left in the lurch leaves me worried that he could easily do that to STFC, which would mean administration. Realistically, how is he going to get £2m back without slashing the playing wage bill further to around £1.5m and hoping that supporters still attend in the same numbers?

As to the Football League, a lot of supporters have been clamouring for intervention by the Football League, or querying how people like Jedda passed the Fit and Proper Persons test. I've tried to debunk this test before. It is little more than a cursory box ticking exercise, whereby an individual self-declares that they are not a criminal, are not barred from becoming a director, and do not have a controlling interest in another football club. The Football League simply does not have the money, time, resources, intelligence or motivation to do anything beyond this. The Fit and Proper Person's Test is not fit for purpose. Just look at the Rogue's Gallery of owners at other football clubs. It would be nice to think that Jedda (or any other spivs like him) is not allowed to darken the door of any other football club, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Myself and several others took a lot of flak on here when from the outset we called Jedda for what he is - a con man and a scumbag. Sales of humble pie must be up in Swindon. Power has made comments about money being stolen from the club, again something that a lot of people suspected was happening, whether in the guise of salaries, consultancy fees, special dividends, expenses or whatever. I would like to see him substantiate these claims and take further action against Jedda. If money has been taken, it should be returned. All directors' decisions must be in the interests of the company at all times, although it's difficult to prove when they're otherwise. Probably time though to get on with football matters. Too much valuable time has been lost. Some good players showing at the World Cup. That Mexican goalkeeper Ochoa for one, and the Algerian team played superbly last night, many don't have clubs. Seriously though, we're more likely to be shopping in Poundland. I had hoped that Tim Sherwood would get the Southampton manager's job, given their excellent academy. With the Spurs link broken, it will be interesting to see how Power evolves the 'feeder club' strategy. Still a few things don't sit easy with me though. Sanghita Shah. Apart from her supposedly being a sidekick of Jed, with her saying what a wonderful guy he was and how open and transparent he was (more like you can see straight through him). Now she's Power's best friend. What happened to the audit she rather patronisingly said she would give fans a simplified commentary on? Nothing. And did she really need to work 14-15 hours a day on this court case? You would have thought that if the evidence was there in an email or other documentation, it was an open and shut case. Just get the emails and present them in court. The fact that Power lives in Switzerland leaving Shah in charge also sounds very wobbly. Why doesn't he appoint another director, or chief executive? The club is crying out for one. What is Shah's motivation given she knows nothing about football? The idea that the club is being run by an Indian journalist, with the owner barking instructions through his Alpine horn many miles away, is fragile to say the least. We were told that Power bought 60% of the club from Jedda, which left him with 40%. Now some people are saying that Power bought 98% of Seebeck. If Jedda still has a significant stake in the club, and has been exposed and humiliated in this way, he may cause further trouble. He should just dump his shares and walk away, but he's not like that is he? I don't want to doubt Power has put £2m in, but do we need to read between the lines? When Jed took over the club was losing anything between £110-200k a week. But the wage bill was slashed very quickly as we all know, to around £2.5-2.6m. Again, if we saw the 'audit' we might have a better idea about this figure and the income figures. And the fact that Power put in £1.2m initially to show the Football League, then withdrew it a few days later, show how spurious statements on money can be. If he has put £2m in then we must be grateful. Presumably though, he wants to recover it somehow? That isn't going to come without difficulties. While I want to believe, the fact that Power had two previous companies that each went tits up with debts of over £2m and creditors left in the lurch leaves me worried that he could easily do that to STFC, which would mean administration. Realistically, how is he going to get £2m back without slashing the playing wage bill further to around £1.5m and hoping that supporters still attend in the same numbers? As to the Football League, a lot of supporters have been clamouring for intervention by the Football League, or querying how people like Jedda passed the Fit and Proper Persons test. I've tried to debunk this test before. It is little more than a cursory box ticking exercise, whereby an individual self-declares that they are not a criminal, are not barred from becoming a director, and do not have a controlling interest in another football club. The Football League simply does not have the money, time, resources, intelligence or motivation to do anything beyond this. The Fit and Proper Person's Test is not fit for purpose. Just look at the Rogue's Gallery of owners at other football clubs. It would be nice to think that Jedda (or any other spivs like him) is not allowed to darken the door of any other football club, but I wouldn't hold my breath. london paolo
  • Score: -2

3:01pm Tue 1 Jul 14

lifelong red says...

I am both glad and relieved that this whole sorry mess has now concluded and in favour of Lee Power . Hopefully we can all now look forward to the future as well as the coming season with a lot more confidence . Lots of issues yet to be sorted on the pitch though .
I am both glad and relieved that this whole sorry mess has now concluded and in favour of Lee Power . Hopefully we can all now look forward to the future as well as the coming season with a lot more confidence . Lots of issues yet to be sorted on the pitch though . lifelong red
  • Score: 2

3:08pm Tue 1 Jul 14

swwindon61uk says...

Wilesy wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
bradley red 1 wrote:
Just about sums up my feelings from day one back in feb 2013! The writing was on the wall and yes the football club has been badly damaged,patey,black and the football league have many questions to answer letting this occur with these individuals.
But if you looked back at posts on here at the time of the takeover, I'm sure you'd find that there were loads of people clamouring for the Football League to approve the deal. Maybe the League ended up giving McCrory the benefit of the doubt to avoid the club going into administration. If our man Patey had shown the commonsense of the Cheltenham chairman, the Banbury Bullshiitter would never have got his foot in the door.
I'm no fan of Patey but harsh to blame him for a lack of common sense.

A huge difference in circumstances - Cheltenham under no pressure to sell so quite rightly did their due dilligence and turned the offer down, while Swindon faced the unenviable choice of panic selling to McCrory or facing administration, thanks to Black.

At the time no-one really knew what we were getting into with the McCrory crew and it was only over time that the reality hit home, so as the decision was take a chance on McCrory or go into adminstration I don't see why that was such a bad decision at that time.

Would the decision even be different now, knowing the truth about McCrory?

The Football League actually have a vested interest in keeping clubs afloat, so I can see to an extent why they would permit these people to get involved, even if there is some doubt about their suitability, and I'm sure the people involved put forward a compelling case.
Quire especially with the statements like the budget will be the same or nearly the same as under PDC and it was no where near.
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradley red 1[/bold] wrote: Just about sums up my feelings from day one back in feb 2013! The writing was on the wall and yes the football club has been badly damaged,patey,black and the football league have many questions to answer letting this occur with these individuals.[/p][/quote]But if you looked back at posts on here at the time of the takeover, I'm sure you'd find that there were loads of people clamouring for the Football League to approve the deal. Maybe the League ended up giving McCrory the benefit of the doubt to avoid the club going into administration. If our man Patey had shown the commonsense of the Cheltenham chairman, the Banbury Bullshiitter would never have got his foot in the door.[/p][/quote]I'm no fan of Patey but harsh to blame him for a lack of common sense. A huge difference in circumstances - Cheltenham under no pressure to sell so quite rightly did their due dilligence and turned the offer down, while Swindon faced the unenviable choice of panic selling to McCrory or facing administration, thanks to Black. At the time no-one really knew what we were getting into with the McCrory crew and it was only over time that the reality hit home, so as the decision was take a chance on McCrory or go into adminstration I don't see why that was such a bad decision at that time. Would the decision even be different now, knowing the truth about McCrory? The Football League actually have a vested interest in keeping clubs afloat, so I can see to an extent why they would permit these people to get involved, even if there is some doubt about their suitability, and I'm sure the people involved put forward a compelling case.[/p][/quote]Quire especially with the statements like the budget will be the same or nearly the same as under PDC and it was no where near. swwindon61uk
  • Score: 0

3:10pm Tue 1 Jul 14

badger58 says...

Great summing up by LP they were a load of conmen. Now I feel safe to buy a season ticket , no way would I with JM in charge , good luck LP.....COYR !
Great summing up by LP they were a load of conmen. Now I feel safe to buy a season ticket , no way would I with JM in charge , good luck LP.....COYR ! badger58
  • Score: 3

3:16pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Wildwestener says...

So well done to Lee Power and Sangita; thanks fro saving our club from yet another bunch of merchant bankers.
Wouldn't it be nice if this meant we can become a football club again rather than the sad, sorry, soap opera some of our previous owners made us into.
So well done to Lee Power and Sangita; thanks fro saving our club from yet another bunch of merchant bankers. Wouldn't it be nice if this meant we can become a football club again rather than the sad, sorry, soap opera some of our previous owners made us into. Wildwestener
  • Score: 2

3:17pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Oi Den! says...

Good post LP but not nearly grovelling enough to be popular.
Good post LP but not nearly grovelling enough to be popular. Oi Den!
  • Score: -4

3:25pm Tue 1 Jul 14

RamsburyRed says...

london paolo wrote:
Myself and several others took a lot of flak on here when from the outset we called Jedda for what he is - a con man and a scumbag. Sales of humble pie must be up in Swindon.

Power has made comments about money being stolen from the club, again something that a lot of people suspected was happening, whether in the guise of salaries, consultancy fees, special dividends, expenses or whatever. I would like to see him substantiate these claims and take further action against Jedda. If money has been taken, it should be returned. All directors' decisions must be in the interests of the company at all times, although it's difficult to prove when they're otherwise.

Probably time though to get on with football matters. Too much valuable time has been lost. Some good players showing at the World Cup. That Mexican goalkeeper Ochoa for one, and the Algerian team played superbly last night, many don't have clubs. Seriously though, we're more likely to be shopping in Poundland. I had hoped that Tim Sherwood would get the Southampton manager's job, given their excellent academy. With the Spurs link broken, it will be interesting to see how Power evolves the 'feeder club' strategy.

Still a few things don't sit easy with me though. Sanghita Shah. Apart from her supposedly being a sidekick of Jed, with her saying what a wonderful guy he was and how open and transparent he was (more like you can see straight through him). Now she's Power's best friend. What happened to the audit she rather patronisingly said she would give fans a simplified commentary on? Nothing. And did she really need to work 14-15 hours a day on this court case? You would have thought that if the evidence was there in an email or other documentation, it was an open and shut case. Just get the emails and present them in court.

The fact that Power lives in Switzerland leaving Shah in charge also sounds very wobbly. Why doesn't he appoint another director, or chief executive? The club is crying out for one. What is Shah's motivation given she knows nothing about football? The idea that the club is being run by an Indian journalist, with the owner barking instructions through his Alpine horn many miles away, is fragile to say the least.

We were told that Power bought 60% of the club from Jedda, which left him with 40%. Now some people are saying that Power bought 98% of Seebeck. If Jedda still has a significant stake in the club, and has been exposed and humiliated in this way, he may cause further trouble. He should just dump his shares and walk away, but he's not like that is he?

I don't want to doubt Power has put £2m in, but do we need to read between the lines? When Jed took over the club was losing anything between £110-200k a week. But the wage bill was slashed very quickly as we all know, to around £2.5-2.6m. Again, if we saw the 'audit' we might have a better idea about this figure and the income figures. And the fact that Power put in £1.2m initially to show the Football League, then withdrew it a few days later, show how spurious statements on money can be.

If he has put £2m in then we must be grateful. Presumably though, he wants to recover it somehow? That isn't going to come without difficulties. While I want to believe, the fact that Power had two previous companies that each went tits up with debts of over £2m and creditors left in the lurch leaves me worried that he could easily do that to STFC, which would mean administration. Realistically, how is he going to get £2m back without slashing the playing wage bill further to around £1.5m and hoping that supporters still attend in the same numbers?

As to the Football League, a lot of supporters have been clamouring for intervention by the Football League, or querying how people like Jedda passed the Fit and Proper Persons test. I've tried to debunk this test before. It is little more than a cursory box ticking exercise, whereby an individual self-declares that they are not a criminal, are not barred from becoming a director, and do not have a controlling interest in another football club. The Football League simply does not have the money, time, resources, intelligence or motivation to do anything beyond this. The Fit and Proper Person's Test is not fit for purpose. Just look at the Rogue's Gallery of owners at other football clubs. It would be nice to think that Jedda (or any other spivs like him) is not allowed to darken the door of any other football club, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Most astute comment so far. I am far from convinced that the future is bright.
[quote][p][bold]london paolo[/bold] wrote: Myself and several others took a lot of flak on here when from the outset we called Jedda for what he is - a con man and a scumbag. Sales of humble pie must be up in Swindon. Power has made comments about money being stolen from the club, again something that a lot of people suspected was happening, whether in the guise of salaries, consultancy fees, special dividends, expenses or whatever. I would like to see him substantiate these claims and take further action against Jedda. If money has been taken, it should be returned. All directors' decisions must be in the interests of the company at all times, although it's difficult to prove when they're otherwise. Probably time though to get on with football matters. Too much valuable time has been lost. Some good players showing at the World Cup. That Mexican goalkeeper Ochoa for one, and the Algerian team played superbly last night, many don't have clubs. Seriously though, we're more likely to be shopping in Poundland. I had hoped that Tim Sherwood would get the Southampton manager's job, given their excellent academy. With the Spurs link broken, it will be interesting to see how Power evolves the 'feeder club' strategy. Still a few things don't sit easy with me though. Sanghita Shah. Apart from her supposedly being a sidekick of Jed, with her saying what a wonderful guy he was and how open and transparent he was (more like you can see straight through him). Now she's Power's best friend. What happened to the audit she rather patronisingly said she would give fans a simplified commentary on? Nothing. And did she really need to work 14-15 hours a day on this court case? You would have thought that if the evidence was there in an email or other documentation, it was an open and shut case. Just get the emails and present them in court. The fact that Power lives in Switzerland leaving Shah in charge also sounds very wobbly. Why doesn't he appoint another director, or chief executive? The club is crying out for one. What is Shah's motivation given she knows nothing about football? The idea that the club is being run by an Indian journalist, with the owner barking instructions through his Alpine horn many miles away, is fragile to say the least. We were told that Power bought 60% of the club from Jedda, which left him with 40%. Now some people are saying that Power bought 98% of Seebeck. If Jedda still has a significant stake in the club, and has been exposed and humiliated in this way, he may cause further trouble. He should just dump his shares and walk away, but he's not like that is he? I don't want to doubt Power has put £2m in, but do we need to read between the lines? When Jed took over the club was losing anything between £110-200k a week. But the wage bill was slashed very quickly as we all know, to around £2.5-2.6m. Again, if we saw the 'audit' we might have a better idea about this figure and the income figures. And the fact that Power put in £1.2m initially to show the Football League, then withdrew it a few days later, show how spurious statements on money can be. If he has put £2m in then we must be grateful. Presumably though, he wants to recover it somehow? That isn't going to come without difficulties. While I want to believe, the fact that Power had two previous companies that each went tits up with debts of over £2m and creditors left in the lurch leaves me worried that he could easily do that to STFC, which would mean administration. Realistically, how is he going to get £2m back without slashing the playing wage bill further to around £1.5m and hoping that supporters still attend in the same numbers? As to the Football League, a lot of supporters have been clamouring for intervention by the Football League, or querying how people like Jedda passed the Fit and Proper Persons test. I've tried to debunk this test before. It is little more than a cursory box ticking exercise, whereby an individual self-declares that they are not a criminal, are not barred from becoming a director, and do not have a controlling interest in another football club. The Football League simply does not have the money, time, resources, intelligence or motivation to do anything beyond this. The Fit and Proper Person's Test is not fit for purpose. Just look at the Rogue's Gallery of owners at other football clubs. It would be nice to think that Jedda (or any other spivs like him) is not allowed to darken the door of any other football club, but I wouldn't hold my breath.[/p][/quote]Most astute comment so far. I am far from convinced that the future is bright. RamsburyRed
  • Score: -1

3:35pm Tue 1 Jul 14

london paolo says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Good post LP but not nearly grovelling enough to be popular.
Den, if I wanted to be popular, I would become a politician.

As I see it we're still in the woods, not out of them.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Good post LP but not nearly grovelling enough to be popular.[/p][/quote]Den, if I wanted to be popular, I would become a politician. As I see it we're still in the woods, not out of them. london paolo
  • Score: 5

3:44pm Tue 1 Jul 14

harley red says...

Oh dear what shti do we have to look forward to now ???? Why can't we have a normal board a normal owner and players that we own and not kids on lone , oh well time will tell . Hope it all works , but I'm not to sure maybe if we can get a few on the board with some spare cash and help out . Would like cooper to leave as the football was so boring last year both home and away . Good luck town lets finish above bristol shity .
Oh dear what shti do we have to look forward to now ???? Why can't we have a normal board a normal owner and players that we own and not kids on lone , oh well time will tell . Hope it all works , but I'm not to sure maybe if we can get a few on the board with some spare cash and help out . Would like cooper to leave as the football was so boring last year both home and away . Good luck town lets finish above bristol shity . harley red
  • Score: -18

4:07pm Tue 1 Jul 14

swwindon61uk says...

harley red wrote:
Oh dear what shti do we have to look forward to now ???? Why can't we have a normal board a normal owner and players that we own and not kids on lone , oh well time will tell . Hope it all works , but I'm not to sure maybe if we can get a few on the board with some spare cash and help out . Would like cooper to leave as the football was so boring last year both home and away . Good luck town lets finish above bristol shity .
Well with what has been revealed i reckon it makes what Cooper done even more remarkable.
I would like certain supporters to leave but they won't either!!
[quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: Oh dear what shti do we have to look forward to now ???? Why can't we have a normal board a normal owner and players that we own and not kids on lone , oh well time will tell . Hope it all works , but I'm not to sure maybe if we can get a few on the board with some spare cash and help out . Would like cooper to leave as the football was so boring last year both home and away . Good luck town lets finish above bristol shity .[/p][/quote]Well with what has been revealed i reckon it makes what Cooper done even more remarkable. I would like certain supporters to leave but they won't either!! swwindon61uk
  • Score: 12

4:16pm Tue 1 Jul 14

FORZASTFC says...

Bought my season ticket 2 months ago as i had every faith you would have found out the "THE CROOK JED".
What a **** he is!
Bought my season ticket 2 months ago as i had every faith you would have found out the "THE CROOK JED". What a **** he is! FORZASTFC
  • Score: 1

4:29pm Tue 1 Jul 14

The Jockster says...

Take a bow London Paolo - superb post probably the best this year and honourable mentions to Mr Flibble & Swindon61uk.
LP I was also one of the derided doomsters who were pilloried for saying from day one that Jed was a charlatan - in my usual blunt manner which I know upsets our more sheltered brethren I said that he and his cronies didn't have the proverbial pot to urinate in. No no you're wrong was the cry, I've done my due diligence etc and he's kosher!! Yeah right about as kosher as a pork chop in a synagogue. And Fredi as
Take a bow London Paolo - superb post probably the best this year and honourable mentions to Mr Flibble & Swindon61uk. LP I was also one of the derided doomsters who were pilloried for saying from day one that Jed was a charlatan - in my usual blunt manner which I know upsets our more sheltered brethren I said that he and his cronies didn't have the proverbial pot to urinate in. No no you're wrong was the cry, I've done my due diligence etc and he's kosher!! Yeah right about as kosher as a pork chop in a synagogue. And Fredi as The Jockster
  • Score: -2

4:47pm Tue 1 Jul 14

The Jockster says...

Oops pressed send... And Fredi as mr F said wasn't that wrong was he in fact far more right than wrong IMO. But not the rose tinters and the "thou shalt not have a pop brigade wouldn't have it would they, nor would they when others in the know were subsequently proved correct regarding other factors in this whole sorry scenario. Yep I trust the old humble pie isn't causing some of the old guard too much indigestion but I doubt there are many who are prepared to state that they got it wrong and put their hand up? Talk about monkees (certainly no I'm A Believers there eh!) see, hear, and speak no evil lol!
Now then time for tea maybe? Chish & Fips😜 followed byCicloDorset Apple Cake 😜 would be absolutely Wizard😜eh chaps!!
Oops pressed send... And Fredi as mr F said wasn't that wrong was he in fact far more right than wrong IMO. But not the rose tinters and the "thou shalt not have a pop brigade wouldn't have it would they, nor would they when others in the know were subsequently proved correct regarding other factors in this whole sorry scenario. Yep I trust the old humble pie isn't causing some of the old guard too much indigestion but I doubt there are many who are prepared to state that they got it wrong and put their hand up? Talk about monkees (certainly no I'm A Believers there eh!) see, hear, and speak no evil lol! Now then time for tea maybe? Chish & Fips😜 followed byCicloDorset Apple Cake 😜 would be absolutely Wizard😜eh chaps!! The Jockster
  • Score: -5

4:52pm Tue 1 Jul 14

smirg kcab says...

The Jockster wrote:
Oops pressed send... And Fredi as mr F said wasn't that wrong was he in fact far more right than wrong IMO. But not the rose tinters and the "thou shalt not have a pop brigade wouldn't have it would they, nor would they when others in the know were subsequently proved correct regarding other factors in this whole sorry scenario. Yep I trust the old humble pie isn't causing some of the old guard too much indigestion but I doubt there are many who are prepared to state that they got it wrong and put their hand up? Talk about monkees (certainly no I'm A Believers there eh!) see, hear, and speak no evil lol!
Now then time for tea maybe? Chish & Fips😜 followed byCicloDorset Apple Cake 😜 would be absolutely Wizard😜eh chaps!!
Jockster the worse is yet to be un leashed.
Wilma
I'm off to buy our new away kit in y/r/g
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Oops pressed send... And Fredi as mr F said wasn't that wrong was he in fact far more right than wrong IMO. But not the rose tinters and the "thou shalt not have a pop brigade wouldn't have it would they, nor would they when others in the know were subsequently proved correct regarding other factors in this whole sorry scenario. Yep I trust the old humble pie isn't causing some of the old guard too much indigestion but I doubt there are many who are prepared to state that they got it wrong and put their hand up? Talk about monkees (certainly no I'm A Believers there eh!) see, hear, and speak no evil lol! Now then time for tea maybe? Chish & Fips😜 followed byCicloDorset Apple Cake 😜 would be absolutely Wizard😜eh chaps!![/p][/quote]Jockster the worse is yet to be un leashed. Wilma I'm off to buy our new away kit in y/r/g smirg kcab
  • Score: -2

4:56pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Cross-Red says...

Gloat Gloat on !
Gloat Gloat on ! Cross-Red
  • Score: 0

4:57pm Tue 1 Jul 14

dannyboy stm says...

I for one gave Jed the support I felt he deserved after he was passed the FL requirements and he stepped in to supposedly take our club forward...!!!! I now apolagise unreservedly for my total error of judgement....Good luck to Lee Power, STFC and any new investors,,,!!!!
I for one gave Jed the support I felt he deserved after he was passed the FL requirements and he stepped in to supposedly take our club forward...!!!! I now apolagise unreservedly for my total error of judgement....Good luck to Lee Power, STFC and any new investors,,,!!!! dannyboy stm
  • Score: 5

5:05pm Tue 1 Jul 14

mike1990 says...

The Jockster wrote:
Take a bow London Paolo - superb post probably the best this year and honourable mentions to Mr Flibble & Swindon61uk.
LP I was also one of the derided doomsters who were pilloried for saying from day one that Jed was a charlatan - in my usual blunt manner which I know upsets our more sheltered brethren I said that he and his cronies didn't have the proverbial pot to urinate in. No no you're wrong was the cry, I've done my due diligence etc and he's kosher!! Yeah right about as kosher as a pork chop in a synagogue. And Fredi as
Spot on The Jockster, so as I've said the fit and proper is a waste of space,also Black never gave a shat about giving our club to a Rogue and as London Paolo says we're not out of the woods by far.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Take a bow London Paolo - superb post probably the best this year and honourable mentions to Mr Flibble & Swindon61uk. LP I was also one of the derided doomsters who were pilloried for saying from day one that Jed was a charlatan - in my usual blunt manner which I know upsets our more sheltered brethren I said that he and his cronies didn't have the proverbial pot to urinate in. No no you're wrong was the cry, I've done my due diligence etc and he's kosher!! Yeah right about as kosher as a pork chop in a synagogue. And Fredi as[/p][/quote]Spot on The Jockster, so as I've said the fit and proper is a waste of space,also Black never gave a shat about giving our club to a Rogue and as London Paolo says we're not out of the woods by far. mike1990
  • Score: -2

5:07pm Tue 1 Jul 14

The Jockster says...

Grim - I'm not naive enough to think we're out of the brown stuff by any means but maybe we're not so far in it as we were!
Cross-red- we will we will!

Dannyboy - well done top man! Although in your defence I'd say you were probably glad at that time that Jed had so say "saved the club" but as we know only so that he could cross his palms with silver!
Grim - I'm not naive enough to think we're out of the brown stuff by any means but maybe we're not so far in it as we were! Cross-red- we will we will! Dannyboy - well done top man! Although in your defence I'd say you were probably glad at that time that Jed had so say "saved the club" but as we know only so that he could cross his palms with silver! The Jockster
  • Score: -1

5:14pm Tue 1 Jul 14

lifelong red says...

Just changing the topic of discussion for a moment , and to the World Cup - people talk of Messi Ronaldo e.t.c. - great players they undoubtably are - but my pick has to be Arjen Robben - what a player- a constant threat to opposing defences with his pace and endeavour , Chelsea must be rueing the fact he"s not still with them .That Algerian keeper , not bad either ,thought Algeria gave the Germans a run for their money - been a good tournament so far , with the essence on open attacking football .
Just changing the topic of discussion for a moment , and to the World Cup - people talk of Messi Ronaldo e.t.c. - great players they undoubtably are - but my pick has to be Arjen Robben - what a player- a constant threat to opposing defences with his pace and endeavour , Chelsea must be rueing the fact he"s not still with them .That Algerian keeper , not bad either ,thought Algeria gave the Germans a run for their money - been a good tournament so far , with the essence on open attacking football . lifelong red
  • Score: -1

5:25pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Oi Den! says...

Cross-Red wrote:
Gloat Gloat on !
It's not gloating. I expect every one of us who could see through McCrory would like to have been wrong. If people didn't want to believe what seemed obvious to others, fine, they had a right to say so. But concerned supporters had to put up with accusations of disloyalty, negativity and doom-mongering. If everyone had turned a blind eye to McCrory's antics I wonder where the club would be now. The custodians of the club must always be accountable to the supporters. Some people seem to take the view that we all have to show a slavish devotion to whoever happens to be in charge at the time. Sorry but whether it's Black, McCrory, Power or Uncle Tom Cobleigh, the owners are never above question.
[quote][p][bold]Cross-Red[/bold] wrote: Gloat Gloat on ![/p][/quote]It's not gloating. I expect every one of us who could see through McCrory would like to have been wrong. If people didn't want to believe what seemed obvious to others, fine, they had a right to say so. But concerned supporters had to put up with accusations of disloyalty, negativity and doom-mongering. If everyone had turned a blind eye to McCrory's antics I wonder where the club would be now. The custodians of the club must always be accountable to the supporters. Some people seem to take the view that we all have to show a slavish devotion to whoever happens to be in charge at the time. Sorry but whether it's Black, McCrory, Power or Uncle Tom Cobleigh, the owners are never above question. Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

5:30pm Tue 1 Jul 14

The Jockster says...

Lifelong - Robben is certainly a good diver!!
Lifelong - Robben is certainly a good diver!! The Jockster
  • Score: -1

5:32pm Tue 1 Jul 14

avo says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Cleuso wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Pretty much what most of us thought. Any chance of seeing the whole of the summing up? This is important stuff for us.

One reservation though: what about the glowing tributes Ms Shah paid to McCrory? Did it really take her so long to realise what he was about?
OI Den, stop trying to kick up another "mess" when it is quite obvious we have a lot to thank her for it seems from Power's comments.

Unfortunately that sort of thing has become common place with fans , clear up one and mess and introduce another "issue" to keep the pot boiling. With that type of behaviour we will never make progress and always complaining about something else and never be succcessful.

I don't think for one moment it took her a long time to realise what Jed was about... clearly her detailed forensic investigation of the finances threw up enough to decide what Jed was about. That was all quite a time a go now and quite soon after the takeover from Black. The fact that would be published in full and then it was not, is now quite obvious - with the issues of the ongoing cases, it no doubts forms part of the evidence.

Think fans should accept that.
I don't think any of us has any right to tell anyone what they should accept but as it happens I do accept that she has probably done the club a service. I still believe the point is valid though.

Adver, July 2013:

Shah, then, may be better placed than most to give a character reference for her colleague – and when asked by the Advertiser to do so she gave a glowing and honest assessment of McCrory’s attributes.
“You take Jed and a lot of people say ‘what do you do with Jed because what he’s saying can’t be true’.

“I can vouch for seven or eight years – what you see is what you get with Jed. Pure transparency. There are some things you shouldn’t say straight away and if there’s one criticism of Jed it’s that he says it as he sees it without perhaps cloaking it.”

Seven or eight years of pure transparency?
Yes - you saw through him straight away, completely transparent!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Pretty much what most of us thought. Any chance of seeing the whole of the summing up? This is important stuff for us. One reservation though: what about the glowing tributes Ms Shah paid to McCrory? Did it really take her so long to realise what he was about?[/p][/quote]OI Den, stop trying to kick up another "mess" when it is quite obvious we have a lot to thank her for it seems from Power's comments. Unfortunately that sort of thing has become common place with fans , clear up one and mess and introduce another "issue" to keep the pot boiling. With that type of behaviour we will never make progress and always complaining about something else and never be succcessful. I don't think for one moment it took her a long time to realise what Jed was about... clearly her detailed forensic investigation of the finances threw up enough to decide what Jed was about. That was all quite a time a go now and quite soon after the takeover from Black. The fact that would be published in full and then it was not, is now quite obvious - with the issues of the ongoing cases, it no doubts forms part of the evidence. Think fans should accept that.[/p][/quote]I don't think any of us has any right to tell anyone what they should accept but as it happens I do accept that she has probably done the club a service. I still believe the point is valid though. Adver, July 2013: Shah, then, may be better placed than most to give a character reference for her colleague – and when asked by the Advertiser to do so she gave a glowing and honest assessment of McCrory’s attributes. “You take Jed and a lot of people say ‘what do you do with Jed because what he’s saying can’t be true’. “I can vouch for seven or eight years – what you see is what you get with Jed. Pure transparency. There are some things you shouldn’t say straight away and if there’s one criticism of Jed it’s that he says it as he sees it without perhaps cloaking it.” Seven or eight years of pure transparency?[/p][/quote]Yes - you saw through him straight away, completely transparent! avo
  • Score: 0

5:37pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Cross-Red says...

Back Slapping in all departments.
Back Slapping in all departments. Cross-Red
  • Score: 0

6:09pm Tue 1 Jul 14

ciclosporindorset says...

The Jockster wrote:
Oops pressed send... And Fredi as mr F said wasn't that wrong was he in fact far more right than wrong IMO. But not the rose tinters and the "thou shalt not have a pop brigade wouldn't have it would they, nor would they when others in the know were subsequently proved correct regarding other factors in this whole sorry scenario. Yep I trust the old humble pie isn't causing some of the old guard too much indigestion but I doubt there are many who are prepared to state that they got it wrong and put their hand up? Talk about monkees (certainly no I'm A Believers there eh!) see, hear, and speak no evil lol!
Now then time for tea maybe? Chish & Fips😜 followed byCicloDorset Apple Cake 😜 would be absolutely Wizard😜eh chaps!!
You are totally out of order. My position has, and always has been, wait and see and best not libel anyone along the way. I am delighted that the outcome is as it is, that the facts have emerged and I am also happy with my position over the past year. I am also relieved that we can get in with things. Right will out. Personal attacks have been a feature of your posts for a while Jockster, simply because you believe in your instincts as in "i smell sh1t therefore it is sh1t". Perhaps you can look at yourself sometimes and realise that these issues are serious and worthy of examination not ridicule.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Oops pressed send... And Fredi as mr F said wasn't that wrong was he in fact far more right than wrong IMO. But not the rose tinters and the "thou shalt not have a pop brigade wouldn't have it would they, nor would they when others in the know were subsequently proved correct regarding other factors in this whole sorry scenario. Yep I trust the old humble pie isn't causing some of the old guard too much indigestion but I doubt there are many who are prepared to state that they got it wrong and put their hand up? Talk about monkees (certainly no I'm A Believers there eh!) see, hear, and speak no evil lol! Now then time for tea maybe? Chish & Fips😜 followed byCicloDorset Apple Cake 😜 would be absolutely Wizard😜eh chaps!![/p][/quote]You are totally out of order. My position has, and always has been, wait and see and best not libel anyone along the way. I am delighted that the outcome is as it is, that the facts have emerged and I am also happy with my position over the past year. I am also relieved that we can get in with things. Right will out. Personal attacks have been a feature of your posts for a while Jockster, simply because you believe in your instincts as in "i smell sh1t therefore it is sh1t". Perhaps you can look at yourself sometimes and realise that these issues are serious and worthy of examination not ridicule. ciclosporindorset
  • Score: 4

6:32pm Tue 1 Jul 14

TheBlackHand says...

joner100 wrote:
Remarkable stuff. My feelings about Jed and the original group who took over the club proved to be spot on - they looked and talked like a bunch of dodgy chancers. Swiss Tony from the Fast Show, sprang to mind at the time.
Yep agree Banbury Bandit
[quote][p][bold]joner100[/bold] wrote: Remarkable stuff. My feelings about Jed and the original group who took over the club proved to be spot on - they looked and talked like a bunch of dodgy chancers. Swiss Tony from the Fast Show, sprang to mind at the time.[/p][/quote]Yep agree Banbury Bandit TheBlackHand
  • Score: 0

6:33pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Cleuso says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Cleuso wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Pretty much what most of us thought. Any chance of seeing the whole of the summing up? This is important stuff for us.

One reservation though: what about the glowing tributes Ms Shah paid to McCrory? Did it really take her so long to realise what he was about?
OI Den, stop trying to kick up another "mess" when it is quite obvious we have a lot to thank her for it seems from Power's comments.

Unfortunately that sort of thing has become common place with fans , clear up one and mess and introduce another "issue" to keep the pot boiling. With that type of behaviour we will never make progress and always complaining about something else and never be succcessful.

I don't think for one moment it took her a long time to realise what Jed was about... clearly her detailed forensic investigation of the finances threw up enough to decide what Jed was about. That was all quite a time a go now and quite soon after the takeover from Black. The fact that would be published in full and then it was not, is now quite obvious - with the issues of the ongoing cases, it no doubts forms part of the evidence.

Think fans should accept that.
I don't think any of us has any right to tell anyone what they should accept but as it happens I do accept that she has probably done the club a service. I still believe the point is valid though.

Adver, July 2013:

Shah, then, may be better placed than most to give a character reference for her colleague – and when asked by the Advertiser to do so she gave a glowing and honest assessment of McCrory’s attributes.
“You take Jed and a lot of people say ‘what do you do with Jed because what he’s saying can’t be true’.

“I can vouch for seven or eight years – what you see is what you get with Jed. Pure transparency. There are some things you shouldn’t say straight away and if there’s one criticism of Jed it’s that he says it as he sees it without perhaps cloaking it.”

Seven or eight years of pure transparency?
How ? What really does it add of any significance? Perhaps you can explain.

Trawling out old comments that are no doubt given in good faith at the time having recently been appointed, after all you are hardly likely to diss a new employer during your first month in employment, but after time you may for varying reasons... times has changed her perspective..I'm sure your view has changed over things from time to time, so are you to be damned or questioned over your change of opinion ? No move on , its more important now to get behind the club and help it move forward, rather than find petty reasons to question every comment ever written or said historically.

The point I made about "accept" was in reference to the non disclosure as promised of the audit. I think it was quite in the Club's right to hold that back after it was initially promised to be published - given the on going developing legal situations, it was correct to keep this unpublished. Of course you may not accept this as a valid reason and have to accept that - the reason is quite logical.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Pretty much what most of us thought. Any chance of seeing the whole of the summing up? This is important stuff for us. One reservation though: what about the glowing tributes Ms Shah paid to McCrory? Did it really take her so long to realise what he was about?[/p][/quote]OI Den, stop trying to kick up another "mess" when it is quite obvious we have a lot to thank her for it seems from Power's comments. Unfortunately that sort of thing has become common place with fans , clear up one and mess and introduce another "issue" to keep the pot boiling. With that type of behaviour we will never make progress and always complaining about something else and never be succcessful. I don't think for one moment it took her a long time to realise what Jed was about... clearly her detailed forensic investigation of the finances threw up enough to decide what Jed was about. That was all quite a time a go now and quite soon after the takeover from Black. The fact that would be published in full and then it was not, is now quite obvious - with the issues of the ongoing cases, it no doubts forms part of the evidence. Think fans should accept that.[/p][/quote]I don't think any of us has any right to tell anyone what they should accept but as it happens I do accept that she has probably done the club a service. I still believe the point is valid though. Adver, July 2013: Shah, then, may be better placed than most to give a character reference for her colleague – and when asked by the Advertiser to do so she gave a glowing and honest assessment of McCrory’s attributes. “You take Jed and a lot of people say ‘what do you do with Jed because what he’s saying can’t be true’. “I can vouch for seven or eight years – what you see is what you get with Jed. Pure transparency. There are some things you shouldn’t say straight away and if there’s one criticism of Jed it’s that he says it as he sees it without perhaps cloaking it.” Seven or eight years of pure transparency?[/p][/quote]How ? What really does it add of any significance? Perhaps you can explain. Trawling out old comments that are no doubt given in good faith at the time having recently been appointed, after all you are hardly likely to diss a new employer during your first month in employment, but after time you may for varying reasons... times has changed her perspective..I'm sure your view has changed over things from time to time, so are you to be damned or questioned over your change of opinion ? No move on , its more important now to get behind the club and help it move forward, rather than find petty reasons to question every comment ever written or said historically. The point I made about "accept" was in reference to the non disclosure as promised of the audit. I think it was quite in the Club's right to hold that back after it was initially promised to be published - given the on going developing legal situations, it was correct to keep this unpublished. Of course you may not accept this as a valid reason and have to accept that - the reason is quite logical. Cleuso
  • Score: 3

6:45pm Tue 1 Jul 14

The Jockster says...

Ah but Ciclo this time myself and a few others smelt brown stuff and lo and behold sure enough there turned out to be brown stuff didn't there. As I and others have said, because we expressed concerns about Jed's credibility we were labelled doomsters etc. As Den said the club is always accountable to its supporters, no support = no club and without taking over every example Jed was, exposed very early in the proceedings when he promised Pdc that the £4m playing budget wouldn't change. I believe KMac also saw through the bullsh!t and walked accordingly when he found that club was being run by Walter Mitty.
As to personal attacks? All I'm saying is perhaps those who've been having a go in the past, you included, are man enough to put their hand up and acknowledge that some of were right from day one and had also been subjected to what you term "personal attacks" for voicing our concerns and vies at the time. You can't have your cake and eat it all the time.
Ah but Ciclo this time myself and a few others smelt brown stuff and lo and behold sure enough there turned out to be brown stuff didn't there. As I and others have said, because we expressed concerns about Jed's credibility we were labelled doomsters etc. As Den said the club is always accountable to its supporters, no support = no club and without taking over every example Jed was, exposed very early in the proceedings when he promised Pdc that the £4m playing budget wouldn't change. I believe KMac also saw through the bullsh!t and walked accordingly when he found that club was being run by Walter Mitty. As to personal attacks? All I'm saying is perhaps those who've been having a go in the past, you included, are man enough to put their hand up and acknowledge that some of were right from day one and had also been subjected to what you term "personal attacks" for voicing our concerns and vies at the time. You can't have your cake and eat it all the time. The Jockster
  • Score: -8

7:06pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Oi Den! says...

Cleuso wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Cleuso wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Pretty much what most of us thought. Any chance of seeing the whole of the summing up? This is important stuff for us.

One reservation though: what about the glowing tributes Ms Shah paid to McCrory? Did it really take her so long to realise what he was about?
OI Den, stop trying to kick up another "mess" when it is quite obvious we have a lot to thank her for it seems from Power's comments.

Unfortunately that sort of thing has become common place with fans , clear up one and mess and introduce another "issue" to keep the pot boiling. With that type of behaviour we will never make progress and always complaining about something else and never be succcessful.

I don't think for one moment it took her a long time to realise what Jed was about... clearly her detailed forensic investigation of the finances threw up enough to decide what Jed was about. That was all quite a time a go now and quite soon after the takeover from Black. The fact that would be published in full and then it was not, is now quite obvious - with the issues of the ongoing cases, it no doubts forms part of the evidence.

Think fans should accept that.
I don't think any of us has any right to tell anyone what they should accept but as it happens I do accept that she has probably done the club a service. I still believe the point is valid though.

Adver, July 2013:

Shah, then, may be better placed than most to give a character reference for her colleague – and when asked by the Advertiser to do so she gave a glowing and honest assessment of McCrory’s attributes.
“You take Jed and a lot of people say ‘what do you do with Jed because what he’s saying can’t be true’.

“I can vouch for seven or eight years – what you see is what you get with Jed. Pure transparency. There are some things you shouldn’t say straight away and if there’s one criticism of Jed it’s that he says it as he sees it without perhaps cloaking it.”

Seven or eight years of pure transparency?
How ? What really does it add of any significance? Perhaps you can explain.

Trawling out old comments that are no doubt given in good faith at the time having recently been appointed, after all you are hardly likely to diss a new employer during your first month in employment, but after time you may for varying reasons... times has changed her perspective..I'm sure your view has changed over things from time to time, so are you to be damned or questioned over your change of opinion ? No move on , its more important now to get behind the club and help it move forward, rather than find petty reasons to question every comment ever written or said historically.

The point I made about "accept" was in reference to the non disclosure as promised of the audit. I think it was quite in the Club's right to hold that back after it was initially promised to be published - given the on going developing legal situations, it was correct to keep this unpublished. Of course you may not accept this as a valid reason and have to accept that - the reason is quite logical.
Maybe we're just not understanding each other Cleuso. I simply made the point that Shah had known McCrory for seven or eight years and after all that time, she was prepared to give us the impression that he was as honest as the day is long - "what you see is what you get" - unless of course what she meant "what you see is a lying s0d and that's what you get". Either way, it seems odd to me. That's all.
[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Pretty much what most of us thought. Any chance of seeing the whole of the summing up? This is important stuff for us. One reservation though: what about the glowing tributes Ms Shah paid to McCrory? Did it really take her so long to realise what he was about?[/p][/quote]OI Den, stop trying to kick up another "mess" when it is quite obvious we have a lot to thank her for it seems from Power's comments. Unfortunately that sort of thing has become common place with fans , clear up one and mess and introduce another "issue" to keep the pot boiling. With that type of behaviour we will never make progress and always complaining about something else and never be succcessful. I don't think for one moment it took her a long time to realise what Jed was about... clearly her detailed forensic investigation of the finances threw up enough to decide what Jed was about. That was all quite a time a go now and quite soon after the takeover from Black. The fact that would be published in full and then it was not, is now quite obvious - with the issues of the ongoing cases, it no doubts forms part of the evidence. Think fans should accept that.[/p][/quote]I don't think any of us has any right to tell anyone what they should accept but as it happens I do accept that she has probably done the club a service. I still believe the point is valid though. Adver, July 2013: Shah, then, may be better placed than most to give a character reference for her colleague – and when asked by the Advertiser to do so she gave a glowing and honest assessment of McCrory’s attributes. “You take Jed and a lot of people say ‘what do you do with Jed because what he’s saying can’t be true’. “I can vouch for seven or eight years – what you see is what you get with Jed. Pure transparency. There are some things you shouldn’t say straight away and if there’s one criticism of Jed it’s that he says it as he sees it without perhaps cloaking it.” Seven or eight years of pure transparency?[/p][/quote]How ? What really does it add of any significance? Perhaps you can explain. Trawling out old comments that are no doubt given in good faith at the time having recently been appointed, after all you are hardly likely to diss a new employer during your first month in employment, but after time you may for varying reasons... times has changed her perspective..I'm sure your view has changed over things from time to time, so are you to be damned or questioned over your change of opinion ? No move on , its more important now to get behind the club and help it move forward, rather than find petty reasons to question every comment ever written or said historically. The point I made about "accept" was in reference to the non disclosure as promised of the audit. I think it was quite in the Club's right to hold that back after it was initially promised to be published - given the on going developing legal situations, it was correct to keep this unpublished. Of course you may not accept this as a valid reason and have to accept that - the reason is quite logical.[/p][/quote]Maybe we're just not understanding each other Cleuso. I simply made the point that Shah had known McCrory for seven or eight years and after all that time, she was prepared to give us the impression that he was as honest as the day is long - "what you see is what you get" - unless of course what she meant "what you see is a lying s0d and that's what you get". Either way, it seems odd to me. That's all. Oi Den!
  • Score: -4

7:09pm Tue 1 Jul 14

ciclosporindorset says...

Personal attacks as in condemning someone with a very loose grasp of the facts Jockster, I believe in watching and waiting the fact you got there quickly is not down to a grasp of the facts, just suspicion. God help you if you are ever in a kangaroo court for something serious! There is no harm in sitting on the fence until the facts are known!
Personal attacks as in condemning someone with a very loose grasp of the facts Jockster, I believe in watching and waiting the fact you got there quickly is not down to a grasp of the facts, just suspicion. God help you if you are ever in a kangaroo court for something serious! There is no harm in sitting on the fence until the facts are known! ciclosporindorset
  • Score: 6

7:22pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Di kanny oh says...

dannyboy stm wrote:
I for one gave Jed the support I felt he deserved after he was passed the FL requirements and he stepped in to supposedly take our club forward...!!!! I now apolagise unreservedly for my total error of judgement....Good luck to Lee Power, STFC and any new investors,,,!!!!
Yes I hold my hands up I said lets give Jed a chance and shouted down many that said he was a crook and I am eating humble pie by the bucket load and feel quite ill but I am big enough to admit I was wrong and taken in by that human piece of trash and the bar steward should be wearing a balaclava flippin crook.
What we need now is to end all the I told you so's all make up and and get on the Power Express and get this club back to where they belong, Come on Town fans we almost lost out beloved football club and its time to join forces and back our hero of the day Mr Lee Power. COYReds.
[quote][p][bold]dannyboy stm[/bold] wrote: I for one gave Jed the support I felt he deserved after he was passed the FL requirements and he stepped in to supposedly take our club forward...!!!! I now apolagise unreservedly for my total error of judgement....Good luck to Lee Power, STFC and any new investors,,,!!!![/p][/quote]Yes I hold my hands up I said lets give Jed a chance and shouted down many that said he was a crook and I am eating humble pie by the bucket load and feel quite ill but I am big enough to admit I was wrong and taken in by that human piece of trash and the bar steward should be wearing a balaclava flippin crook. What we need now is to end all the I told you so's all make up and and get on the Power Express and get this club back to where they belong, Come on Town fans we almost lost out beloved football club and its time to join forces and back our hero of the day Mr Lee Power. COYReds. Di kanny oh
  • Score: 4

7:28pm Tue 1 Jul 14

The Jockster says...

Doubtless you would've have believed Judas Iscariot until you found the 30 pieces of silver on him then.
So me and all the others who saw Jed for what he was very early on were wrong then? God knows you didn't have to be Inspector Morse to hear all the alarm bells ringing or solve all the clues that emanated from the Banbury Bullsh!tter. I'm amazed that someone of your obvious intelligence didn't also see through the thinly veiled cloak of deceit and lies which were blatantly apparent to many.
Doubtless you would've have believed Judas Iscariot until you found the 30 pieces of silver on him then. So me and all the others who saw Jed for what he was very early on were wrong then? God knows you didn't have to be Inspector Morse to hear all the alarm bells ringing or solve all the clues that emanated from the Banbury Bullsh!tter. I'm amazed that someone of your obvious intelligence didn't also see through the thinly veiled cloak of deceit and lies which were blatantly apparent to many. The Jockster
  • Score: -10

7:44pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Di kanny oh says...

The Jockster wrote:
Doubtless you would've have believed Judas Iscariot until you found the 30 pieces of silver on him then.
So me and all the others who saw Jed for what he was very early on were wrong then? God knows you didn't have to be Inspector Morse to hear all the alarm bells ringing or solve all the clues that emanated from the Banbury Bullsh!tter. I'm amazed that someone of your obvious intelligence didn't also see through the thinly veiled cloak of deceit and lies which were blatantly apparent to many.
Jock I and many got taken in by the liar and fat bar steward and I admit I was wrong but is this point scoring exercise and I told you so really necessary god we almost lost our Club and need to pull together for once in our lives and do all we can to help Lee Power and our beloved football club. I will eat humble pie for the rest of the year if that's what it takes but all I said was give Jed a chance and believed his Bullshiit and ok I was wrong and apologize to any one I had a go at but can we put this to bed and move on. No good reveling in self praise I feel as the club needs us all now more than ever.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Doubtless you would've have believed Judas Iscariot until you found the 30 pieces of silver on him then. So me and all the others who saw Jed for what he was very early on were wrong then? God knows you didn't have to be Inspector Morse to hear all the alarm bells ringing or solve all the clues that emanated from the Banbury Bullsh!tter. I'm amazed that someone of your obvious intelligence didn't also see through the thinly veiled cloak of deceit and lies which were blatantly apparent to many.[/p][/quote]Jock I and many got taken in by the liar and fat bar steward and I admit I was wrong but is this point scoring exercise and I told you so really necessary god we almost lost our Club and need to pull together for once in our lives and do all we can to help Lee Power and our beloved football club. I will eat humble pie for the rest of the year if that's what it takes but all I said was give Jed a chance and believed his Bullshiit and ok I was wrong and apologize to any one I had a go at but can we put this to bed and move on. No good reveling in self praise I feel as the club needs us all now more than ever. Di kanny oh
  • Score: 4

7:45pm Tue 1 Jul 14

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

London Paolo top post. One day I'll buy you a beer or two. Lovely to see coherent post put forward... Bravo sir. Let's hope Power has changed his spots. At the moment despite reservations we don't have anything to cling to still concerned about the alledged 39% buy back provision. Hopefully Power see's the numpty off out of court and gets him out of the club forever....
London Paolo top post. One day I'll buy you a beer or two. Lovely to see coherent post put forward... Bravo sir. Let's hope Power has changed his spots. At the moment despite reservations we don't have anything to cling to still concerned about the alledged 39% buy back provision. Hopefully Power see's the numpty off out of court and gets him out of the club forever.... dreamofacleansheet2
  • Score: 1

8:02pm Tue 1 Jul 14

lifelong red says...

The Jockster wrote:
Lifelong - Robben is certainly a good diver!!
Yes , agreed , Tom Daley could certainly learn a few things from him . Good player though.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Lifelong - Robben is certainly a good diver!![/p][/quote]Yes , agreed , Tom Daley could certainly learn a few things from him . Good player though. lifelong red
  • Score: -2

8:11pm Tue 1 Jul 14

TheDukeOfBanbury says...

Today not the day to speculate but to celebrate what a few have said all along about Del Boy and his merry men.
So happy that everyone will not be in any doubt what we were up against.
Spare a thought for Hereford United. We were fast tracked to be another casualty.
Well done Power for sticking with it.
Today not the day to speculate but to celebrate what a few have said all along about Del Boy and his merry men. So happy that everyone will not be in any doubt what we were up against. Spare a thought for Hereford United. We were fast tracked to be another casualty. Well done Power for sticking with it. TheDukeOfBanbury
  • Score: 3

8:18pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Chish and Fips says...

Di kanny oh wrote:
dannyboy stm wrote:
I for one gave Jed the support I felt he deserved after he was passed the FL requirements and he stepped in to supposedly take our club forward...!!!! I now apolagise unreservedly for my total error of judgement....Good luck to Lee Power, STFC and any new investors,,,!!!!
Yes I hold my hands up I said lets give Jed a chance and shouted down many that said he was a crook and I am eating humble pie by the bucket load and feel quite ill but I am big enough to admit I was wrong and taken in by that human piece of trash and the bar steward should be wearing a balaclava flippin crook.
What we need now is to end all the I told you so's all make up and and get on the Power Express and get this club back to where they belong, Come on Town fans we almost lost out beloved football club and its time to join forces and back our hero of the day Mr Lee Power. COYReds.
Yep me as well DKO - in my defence I always trust people on face value, not realising this Jed had more faces than the Town Hall Clock.
The alleged wrong doings that were being banded about I found difficult to believe and still find it difficult that those individuals did this to our club to further their bank balances with total disrespect to the supporters.
Well done the doubters - just hope now we can move on - and see that Jed end up with just desserts.
[quote][p][bold]Di kanny oh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannyboy stm[/bold] wrote: I for one gave Jed the support I felt he deserved after he was passed the FL requirements and he stepped in to supposedly take our club forward...!!!! I now apolagise unreservedly for my total error of judgement....Good luck to Lee Power, STFC and any new investors,,,!!!![/p][/quote]Yes I hold my hands up I said lets give Jed a chance and shouted down many that said he was a crook and I am eating humble pie by the bucket load and feel quite ill but I am big enough to admit I was wrong and taken in by that human piece of trash and the bar steward should be wearing a balaclava flippin crook. What we need now is to end all the I told you so's all make up and and get on the Power Express and get this club back to where they belong, Come on Town fans we almost lost out beloved football club and its time to join forces and back our hero of the day Mr Lee Power. COYReds.[/p][/quote]Yep me as well DKO - in my defence I always trust people on face value, not realising this Jed had more faces than the Town Hall Clock. The alleged wrong doings that were being banded about I found difficult to believe and still find it difficult that those individuals did this to our club to further their bank balances with total disrespect to the supporters. Well done the doubters - just hope now we can move on - and see that Jed end up with just desserts. Chish and Fips
  • Score: 2

8:32pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Oi Den! says...

Good posts Chish and Dko Mike. Time to concentrate on the football (with one eye on the criminal proceedings!)
Good posts Chish and Dko Mike. Time to concentrate on the football (with one eye on the criminal proceedings!) Oi Den!
  • Score: 3

8:58pm Tue 1 Jul 14

trustnopolitician says...

It would be good now to have a few years where finances are not the all consuming subject . A forward plan would be good to see !
It would be good now to have a few years where finances are not the all consuming subject . A forward plan would be good to see ! trustnopolitician
  • Score: 2

9:02pm Tue 1 Jul 14

dannyboy stm says...

I feel the likes of myself DKO,CHISH and others were hoodwinked by the fact Jed was approved by the FL....yes we were fools to be taken in, but could only believe the fact that he had been passed fit and proper to run our club ......I certainly never knew him personally or was aware of any of his dodgey dealing.....like Chish said...take people on face values...until you know differently...!!!! believe me....I will not make the same mistake again...!!! Most town fans thought PDC was the messiah until we knew the true facts...!!!! Apolagises again....but hopefully its all history now.COYRS...!!!!
I feel the likes of myself DKO,CHISH and others were hoodwinked by the fact Jed was approved by the FL....yes we were fools to be taken in, but could only believe the fact that he had been passed fit and proper to run our club ......I certainly never knew him personally or was aware of any of his dodgey dealing.....like Chish said...take people on face values...until you know differently...!!!! believe me....I will not make the same mistake again...!!! Most town fans thought PDC was the messiah until we knew the true facts...!!!! Apolagises again....but hopefully its all history now.COYRS...!!!! dannyboy stm
  • Score: 3

9:10pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Di kanny oh says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Good posts Chish and Dko Mike. Time to concentrate on the football (with one eye on the criminal proceedings!)
Thanks Den very appreciated.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Good posts Chish and Dko Mike. Time to concentrate on the football (with one eye on the criminal proceedings!)[/p][/quote]Thanks Den very appreciated. Di kanny oh
  • Score: -2

9:26pm Tue 1 Jul 14

The Jockster says...

Di kanny oh wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
Doubtless you would've have believed Judas Iscariot until you found the 30 pieces of silver on him then.
So me and all the others who saw Jed for what he was very early on were wrong then? God knows you didn't have to be Inspector Morse to hear all the alarm bells ringing or solve all the clues that emanated from the Banbury Bullsh!tter. I'm amazed that someone of your obvious intelligence didn't also see through the thinly veiled cloak of deceit and lies which were blatantly apparent to many.
Jock I and many got taken in by the liar and fat bar steward and I admit I was wrong but is this point scoring exercise and I told you so really necessary god we almost lost our Club and need to pull together for once in our lives and do all we can to help Lee Power and our beloved football club. I will eat humble pie for the rest of the year if that's what it takes but all I said was give Jed a chance and believed his Bullshiit and ok I was wrong and apologize to any one I had a go at but can we put this to bed and move on. No good reveling in self praise I feel as the club needs us all now more than ever.
DKO I wasn't actually having a direct pop at you -the post was actually a further response to Ciclo - I forgot to use the quote button.
I agree that now is the time to move forward and to support Power. He has openly stated he can't do it on his own and needs the fans help. Fair comment you can't ask for more than that although I don't consider him & Shah to be totally blameless in this whole sorry saga but perhaps again to be fair they too were taken in by Slippery Dick!
Like last season when we perhaps exceeded expectations I'll be happy to retain L1 status again particularly as we now already know the purse strings will be even tighter. It is to be hoped that Power's plea for additional investment comes to fruition but that any such plea doesn't attract similar low life to McCrory.
[quote][p][bold]Di kanny oh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Doubtless you would've have believed Judas Iscariot until you found the 30 pieces of silver on him then. So me and all the others who saw Jed for what he was very early on were wrong then? God knows you didn't have to be Inspector Morse to hear all the alarm bells ringing or solve all the clues that emanated from the Banbury Bullsh!tter. I'm amazed that someone of your obvious intelligence didn't also see through the thinly veiled cloak of deceit and lies which were blatantly apparent to many.[/p][/quote]Jock I and many got taken in by the liar and fat bar steward and I admit I was wrong but is this point scoring exercise and I told you so really necessary god we almost lost our Club and need to pull together for once in our lives and do all we can to help Lee Power and our beloved football club. I will eat humble pie for the rest of the year if that's what it takes but all I said was give Jed a chance and believed his Bullshiit and ok I was wrong and apologize to any one I had a go at but can we put this to bed and move on. No good reveling in self praise I feel as the club needs us all now more than ever.[/p][/quote]DKO I wasn't actually having a direct pop at you -the post was actually a further response to Ciclo - I forgot to use the quote button. I agree that now is the time to move forward and to support Power. He has openly stated he can't do it on his own and needs the fans help. Fair comment you can't ask for more than that although I don't consider him & Shah to be totally blameless in this whole sorry saga but perhaps again to be fair they too were taken in by Slippery Dick! Like last season when we perhaps exceeded expectations I'll be happy to retain L1 status again particularly as we now already know the purse strings will be even tighter. It is to be hoped that Power's plea for additional investment comes to fruition but that any such plea doesn't attract similar low life to McCrory. The Jockster
  • Score: -2

9:42pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Di kanny oh says...

The Jockster wrote:
Di kanny oh wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
Doubtless you would've have believed Judas Iscariot until you found the 30 pieces of silver on him then.
So me and all the others who saw Jed for what he was very early on were wrong then? God knows you didn't have to be Inspector Morse to hear all the alarm bells ringing or solve all the clues that emanated from the Banbury Bullsh!tter. I'm amazed that someone of your obvious intelligence didn't also see through the thinly veiled cloak of deceit and lies which were blatantly apparent to many.
Jock I and many got taken in by the liar and fat bar steward and I admit I was wrong but is this point scoring exercise and I told you so really necessary god we almost lost our Club and need to pull together for once in our lives and do all we can to help Lee Power and our beloved football club. I will eat humble pie for the rest of the year if that's what it takes but all I said was give Jed a chance and believed his Bullshiit and ok I was wrong and apologize to any one I had a go at but can we put this to bed and move on. No good reveling in self praise I feel as the club needs us all now more than ever.
DKO I wasn't actually having a direct pop at you -the post was actually a further response to Ciclo - I forgot to use the quote button.
I agree that now is the time to move forward and to support Power. He has openly stated he can't do it on his own and needs the fans help. Fair comment you can't ask for more than that although I don't consider him & Shah to be totally blameless in this whole sorry saga but perhaps again to be fair they too were taken in by Slippery Dick!
Like last season when we perhaps exceeded expectations I'll be happy to retain L1 status again particularly as we now already know the purse strings will be even tighter. It is to be hoped that Power's plea for additional investment comes to fruition but that any such plea doesn't attract similar low life to McCrory.
No probs Jock I did realize it was not aimed at me but I was just generalizing that some of the posters were sort of getting a little bit into backlash mode over this scummybag Jed the red when I feel that this should now be put to bed and let us all move on. I thoroughly enjoy your post anyway and always chuckle when you mention the minus points which puzzles me also why you get so many but nowt wrong with a few wind ups. I think we have to make the best of what we have at present and Lee has sounded the Battle cry to rally the troops and we should all at least try and be on the same side instead of all this in house fighting over who said what. You personally had Jed's number from day one and called it bang on so credit where it is due hey.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Di kanny oh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Doubtless you would've have believed Judas Iscariot until you found the 30 pieces of silver on him then. So me and all the others who saw Jed for what he was very early on were wrong then? God knows you didn't have to be Inspector Morse to hear all the alarm bells ringing or solve all the clues that emanated from the Banbury Bullsh!tter. I'm amazed that someone of your obvious intelligence didn't also see through the thinly veiled cloak of deceit and lies which were blatantly apparent to many.[/p][/quote]Jock I and many got taken in by the liar and fat bar steward and I admit I was wrong but is this point scoring exercise and I told you so really necessary god we almost lost our Club and need to pull together for once in our lives and do all we can to help Lee Power and our beloved football club. I will eat humble pie for the rest of the year if that's what it takes but all I said was give Jed a chance and believed his Bullshiit and ok I was wrong and apologize to any one I had a go at but can we put this to bed and move on. No good reveling in self praise I feel as the club needs us all now more than ever.[/p][/quote]DKO I wasn't actually having a direct pop at you -the post was actually a further response to Ciclo - I forgot to use the quote button. I agree that now is the time to move forward and to support Power. He has openly stated he can't do it on his own and needs the fans help. Fair comment you can't ask for more than that although I don't consider him & Shah to be totally blameless in this whole sorry saga but perhaps again to be fair they too were taken in by Slippery Dick! Like last season when we perhaps exceeded expectations I'll be happy to retain L1 status again particularly as we now already know the purse strings will be even tighter. It is to be hoped that Power's plea for additional investment comes to fruition but that any such plea doesn't attract similar low life to McCrory.[/p][/quote]No probs Jock I did realize it was not aimed at me but I was just generalizing that some of the posters were sort of getting a little bit into backlash mode over this scummybag Jed the red when I feel that this should now be put to bed and let us all move on. I thoroughly enjoy your post anyway and always chuckle when you mention the minus points which puzzles me also why you get so many but nowt wrong with a few wind ups. I think we have to make the best of what we have at present and Lee has sounded the Battle cry to rally the troops and we should all at least try and be on the same side instead of all this in house fighting over who said what. You personally had Jed's number from day one and called it bang on so credit where it is due hey. Di kanny oh
  • Score: 1

10:07pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Di kanny oh says...

dannyboy stm wrote:
I feel the likes of myself DKO,CHISH and others were hoodwinked by the fact Jed was approved by the FL....yes we were fools to be taken in, but could only believe the fact that he had been passed fit and proper to run our club ......I certainly never knew him personally or was aware of any of his dodgey dealing.....like Chish said...take people on face values...until you know differently...!!!! believe me....I will not make the same mistake again...!!! Most town fans thought PDC was the messiah until we knew the true facts...!!!! Apolagises again....but hopefully its all history now.COYRS...!!!!
Good post dannyboy and quite correct , plus I would like to add that I read many of Jeds tweets on twitter and he kept saying ignore the doomsters as he would prove them all wrong and obviously talked a good show but we all know now it was all lies and he took us all for mugs but at the end of the day Jed actually bought Lee Power into the club but fell out with him and in the end met his match and got his just rewards but at least the right man is left.
[quote][p][bold]dannyboy stm[/bold] wrote: I feel the likes of myself DKO,CHISH and others were hoodwinked by the fact Jed was approved by the FL....yes we were fools to be taken in, but could only believe the fact that he had been passed fit and proper to run our club ......I certainly never knew him personally or was aware of any of his dodgey dealing.....like Chish said...take people on face values...until you know differently...!!!! believe me....I will not make the same mistake again...!!! Most town fans thought PDC was the messiah until we knew the true facts...!!!! Apolagises again....but hopefully its all history now.COYRS...!!!![/p][/quote]Good post dannyboy and quite correct , plus I would like to add that I read many of Jeds tweets on twitter and he kept saying ignore the doomsters as he would prove them all wrong and obviously talked a good show but we all know now it was all lies and he took us all for mugs but at the end of the day Jed actually bought Lee Power into the club but fell out with him and in the end met his match and got his just rewards but at least the right man is left. Di kanny oh
  • Score: 2

8:56am Wed 2 Jul 14

Cleuso says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Cleuso wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Cleuso wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Pretty much what most of us thought. Any chance of seeing the whole of the summing up? This is important stuff for us.

One reservation though: what about the glowing tributes Ms Shah paid to McCrory? Did it really take her so long to realise what he was about?
OI Den, stop trying to kick up another "mess" when it is quite obvious we have a lot to thank her for it seems from Power's comments.

Unfortunately that sort of thing has become common place with fans , clear up one and mess and introduce another "issue" to keep the pot boiling. With that type of behaviour we will never make progress and always complaining about something else and never be succcessful.

I don't think for one moment it took her a long time to realise what Jed was about... clearly her detailed forensic investigation of the finances threw up enough to decide what Jed was about. That was all quite a time a go now and quite soon after the takeover from Black. The fact that would be published in full and then it was not, is now quite obvious - with the issues of the ongoing cases, it no doubts forms part of the evidence.

Think fans should accept that.
I don't think any of us has any right to tell anyone what they should accept but as it happens I do accept that she has probably done the club a service. I still believe the point is valid though.

Adver, July 2013:

Shah, then, may be better placed than most to give a character reference for her colleague – and when asked by the Advertiser to do so she gave a glowing and honest assessment of McCrory’s attributes.
“You take Jed and a lot of people say ‘what do you do with Jed because what he’s saying can’t be true’.

“I can vouch for seven or eight years – what you see is what you get with Jed. Pure transparency. There are some things you shouldn’t say straight away and if there’s one criticism of Jed it’s that he says it as he sees it without perhaps cloaking it.”

Seven or eight years of pure transparency?
How ? What really does it add of any significance? Perhaps you can explain.

Trawling out old comments that are no doubt given in good faith at the time having recently been appointed, after all you are hardly likely to diss a new employer during your first month in employment, but after time you may for varying reasons... times has changed her perspective..I'm sure your view has changed over things from time to time, so are you to be damned or questioned over your change of opinion ? No move on , its more important now to get behind the club and help it move forward, rather than find petty reasons to question every comment ever written or said historically.

The point I made about "accept" was in reference to the non disclosure as promised of the audit. I think it was quite in the Club's right to hold that back after it was initially promised to be published - given the on going developing legal situations, it was correct to keep this unpublished. Of course you may not accept this as a valid reason and have to accept that - the reason is quite logical.
Maybe we're just not understanding each other Cleuso. I simply made the point that Shah had known McCrory for seven or eight years and after all that time, she was prepared to give us the impression that he was as honest as the day is long - "what you see is what you get" - unless of course what she meant "what you see is a lying s0d and that's what you get". Either way, it seems odd to me. That's all.
That's a graceful ending to this discussion. Who knows JM may have been "what you see is what you get"..but when he was left alone in the sweet shop perhaps his "mood" changed.

I have no idea about it and really don't care much about all of that now. I am more interested in the Club succeeding which won't happen if people continue to find issues at every opportunity as this will always hold the club back.

It's never going to be perfect in every area for one reason or another, so we just have to accept that.. seeking that perfect world is just never going to happen as much as some would like to think that it is achievable.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Pretty much what most of us thought. Any chance of seeing the whole of the summing up? This is important stuff for us. One reservation though: what about the glowing tributes Ms Shah paid to McCrory? Did it really take her so long to realise what he was about?[/p][/quote]OI Den, stop trying to kick up another "mess" when it is quite obvious we have a lot to thank her for it seems from Power's comments. Unfortunately that sort of thing has become common place with fans , clear up one and mess and introduce another "issue" to keep the pot boiling. With that type of behaviour we will never make progress and always complaining about something else and never be succcessful. I don't think for one moment it took her a long time to realise what Jed was about... clearly her detailed forensic investigation of the finances threw up enough to decide what Jed was about. That was all quite a time a go now and quite soon after the takeover from Black. The fact that would be published in full and then it was not, is now quite obvious - with the issues of the ongoing cases, it no doubts forms part of the evidence. Think fans should accept that.[/p][/quote]I don't think any of us has any right to tell anyone what they should accept but as it happens I do accept that she has probably done the club a service. I still believe the point is valid though. Adver, July 2013: Shah, then, may be better placed than most to give a character reference for her colleague – and when asked by the Advertiser to do so she gave a glowing and honest assessment of McCrory’s attributes. “You take Jed and a lot of people say ‘what do you do with Jed because what he’s saying can’t be true’. “I can vouch for seven or eight years – what you see is what you get with Jed. Pure transparency. There are some things you shouldn’t say straight away and if there’s one criticism of Jed it’s that he says it as he sees it without perhaps cloaking it.” Seven or eight years of pure transparency?[/p][/quote]How ? What really does it add of any significance? Perhaps you can explain. Trawling out old comments that are no doubt given in good faith at the time having recently been appointed, after all you are hardly likely to diss a new employer during your first month in employment, but after time you may for varying reasons... times has changed her perspective..I'm sure your view has changed over things from time to time, so are you to be damned or questioned over your change of opinion ? No move on , its more important now to get behind the club and help it move forward, rather than find petty reasons to question every comment ever written or said historically. The point I made about "accept" was in reference to the non disclosure as promised of the audit. I think it was quite in the Club's right to hold that back after it was initially promised to be published - given the on going developing legal situations, it was correct to keep this unpublished. Of course you may not accept this as a valid reason and have to accept that - the reason is quite logical.[/p][/quote]Maybe we're just not understanding each other Cleuso. I simply made the point that Shah had known McCrory for seven or eight years and after all that time, she was prepared to give us the impression that he was as honest as the day is long - "what you see is what you get" - unless of course what she meant "what you see is a lying s0d and that's what you get". Either way, it seems odd to me. That's all.[/p][/quote]That's a graceful ending to this discussion. Who knows JM may have been "what you see is what you get"..but when he was left alone in the sweet shop perhaps his "mood" changed. I have no idea about it and really don't care much about all of that now. I am more interested in the Club succeeding which won't happen if people continue to find issues at every opportunity as this will always hold the club back. It's never going to be perfect in every area for one reason or another, so we just have to accept that.. seeking that perfect world is just never going to happen as much as some would like to think that it is achievable. Cleuso
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10:16am Wed 2 Jul 14

Oi Den! says...

Cleuso, just for the avoidance of doubt... "That's all" wasn't meant to be a curt ending. It was "that's all I was trying to say".

Perfection is not what most of us have in mind for STFC. Football's glorious uncertainty is what keeps us involved in it. But if we see things that puzzle us, we discuss them. I - and it seems a few others - remain puzzled.
Cleuso, just for the avoidance of doubt... "That's all" wasn't meant to be a curt ending. It was "that's all I was trying to say". Perfection is not what most of us have in mind for STFC. Football's glorious uncertainty is what keeps us involved in it. But if we see things that puzzle us, we discuss them. I - and it seems a few others - remain puzzled. Oi Den!
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11:55am Wed 2 Jul 14

port de soller says...

Just glad all seems to have worked out at least Jed and cronies appear to be finished,most likely in Football all FL clubs be aware of this bandit.
Did read that Swindon Council have sold off many of there sites.It´s about time they offered a deal to STFC as whilst the club are paying rent they have no collateral at all.Would be great if the club could buy the CG.would possibly attract further investment
Just glad all seems to have worked out at least Jed and cronies appear to be finished,most likely in Football all FL clubs be aware of this bandit. Did read that Swindon Council have sold off many of there sites.It´s about time they offered a deal to STFC as whilst the club are paying rent they have no collateral at all.Would be great if the club could buy the CG.would possibly attract further investment port de soller
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5:40pm Wed 2 Jul 14

lifelong red says...

What did fredi say ? something along the lines of - once the ownership dispute is settled , there awaits exciting plans for the town as well as the football club mmmm ! I wonder.
What did fredi say ? something along the lines of - once the ownership dispute is settled , there awaits exciting plans for the town as well as the football club mmmm ! I wonder. lifelong red
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