Regent Circus is a no-go zone for blind people

This Is Wiltshire: The road layout around Regent Circus has been deemed dangerous by Wiltshire Blind Association The road layout around Regent Circus has been deemed dangerous by Wiltshire Blind Association

WILTSHIRE Blind Association believes the new Regent Circus leisure park could become a no-go area for visually impaired people unless the pedestrian crossings are improved.

Members of the Swindon branch, in Victoria Road, expressed their concerns at Swindon Council’s locality meeting, which took place at the Civic Offices, on Thursday evening.

As part of the Ashfield Land scheme, new raised courtesy crossings have been introduced in Regent Circus and Commercial Road. They give priority to pedestrians but residents say this isn’t always adhered to.

During the meeting, the public raised concerns about pedestrians potentially being knocked over because motorists won’t know who has right of way.

John Vickery, chairman of Swindon’s Wiltshire Blind Association branch, said: “I don’t think you’ll get blind people being knocked over because of this as I and many others won’t be risking our lives to go there. That area will just become a no-go area for the visually impaired.”

Claire Cornelius, Swindon Council transport development manager, said any major alterations to the crossing wouldn’t be made until after an independent audit. This is likely to take place in October, when work at the centre is complete, although she did stress that minor improvements would be considered and training could be provided for visually impaired people to help them use the courtesy crossings.

Mike Beale, secretary of Swindon’s Wiltshire Blind Association branch, said: “The suggestion that blind people could be trained to use this already difficult crossing at Regent Circus is offensive and patronising as if blind people are a sub-human species rather than ordinary folk who have visual impairment.”

Alan Fletcher, Swindon Guide Dogs chairman, said: “We have concerns about that area and our problem is that they took the light away.

“It would be better if they’re still there as motorists will obviously stop on a red light whereas they might not on the crossings they have there now.

“I agree these could become no-go areas for the visually impaired which is a pity as this development will boost the town centre.”

Building work on the site, which will house a Morrisons supermarket, cinema and restaurants, is expected to finish next month. Then the independent highways survey will take place.

Coun Dale Heenan, (Con, Covingham and Dorcan) cabinet member for transport, said: “We take on board the concerns and we are trying to work with you.

“This matter is not final, we still have the audit of the development and I will make sure any recommendations are acted on. ”

Morrisons is expected to open in the autumn with the rest of the leisure park due to open in the winter.

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6:52am Sat 9 Aug 14

Ollie Dognacky says...

Why oh why are Swindon Borough Clownskool wasting money on an audit The problems of this road layout are obvious using nothing more than common sense? 🙉
Why oh why are Swindon Borough Clownskool wasting money on an audit The problems of this road layout are obvious using nothing more than common sense? 🙉 Ollie Dognacky
  • Score: 7

7:01am Sat 9 Aug 14

bampi says...

Apparently people without any brains won't be using it either!!! Get a life...we already spend plenty on 'impaired' people.
Apparently people without any brains won't be using it either!!! Get a life...we already spend plenty on 'impaired' people. bampi
  • Score: -35

7:40am Sat 9 Aug 14

The Jockster says...

bampi wrote:
Apparently people without any brains won't be using it either!!! Get a life...we already spend plenty on 'impaired' people.
What an unpleasant individual you are - I take it you are not impared in any way then? Other than being intellectually challenged and lacking an IQ that exceeds single figures.
How do you know "we spend plenty on impaired people" - care to back up your crass statement with some facts?
[quote][p][bold]bampi[/bold] wrote: Apparently people without any brains won't be using it either!!! Get a life...we already spend plenty on 'impaired' people.[/p][/quote]What an unpleasant individual you are - I take it you are not impared in any way then? Other than being intellectually challenged and lacking an IQ that exceeds single figures. How do you know "we spend plenty on impaired people" - care to back up your crass statement with some facts? The Jockster
  • Score: 22

8:35am Sat 9 Aug 14

Jan_the_legend says...

Its not just this crossing but also crossing before it on Commercial road by field recruitment that should be adressed to slow the traffice down before it gets to the college development.

There is a total disregard by drivers for this crossing which in a zebra and as the advertiser reported only a few weeks ago a girl was hit by a car, so don't know what makes the council planners think cars are going stop.

The way I see it is unless someone is seriously injured or loses their life, then nothing will get changed and pedestrians will be taking their life into their own hands
Its not just this crossing but also crossing before it on Commercial road by field recruitment that should be adressed to slow the traffice down before it gets to the college development. There is a total disregard by drivers for this crossing which in a zebra and as the advertiser reported only a few weeks ago a girl was hit by a car, so don't know what makes the council planners think cars are going stop. The way I see it is unless someone is seriously injured or loses their life, then nothing will get changed and pedestrians will be taking their life into their own hands Jan_the_legend
  • Score: 14

8:42am Sat 9 Aug 14

Al Smith says...

Looks like SBC and perhaps the developers have left themselves open to prosecution under the disability discrimination act unless they make adjustments to the crossing. If they'd installed a proper zebra or pelican crossing this issue wouldn't have arisen.
Looks like SBC and perhaps the developers have left themselves open to prosecution under the disability discrimination act unless they make adjustments to the crossing. If they'd installed a proper zebra or pelican crossing this issue wouldn't have arisen. Al Smith
  • Score: 19

8:55am Sat 9 Aug 14

semitonic says...

Blind person + speeding BMW + poorly designed crossing = death

Blind person + speeding BMW + zebra / pelican crossing = survival

There, I've solved it.
Blind person + speeding BMW + poorly designed crossing = death Blind person + speeding BMW + zebra / pelican crossing = survival There, I've solved it. semitonic
  • Score: 22

9:00am Sat 9 Aug 14

Alan Bast*rd says...

SBC the council of buffoons. Getting things wrong for decades.
SBC the council of buffoons. Getting things wrong for decades. Alan Bast*rd
  • Score: 5

9:39am Sat 9 Aug 14

Wildwestener says...

semitonic wrote:
Blind person + speeding BMW + poorly designed crossing = death

Blind person + speeding BMW + zebra / pelican crossing = survival

There, I've solved it.
You will never get a job at the Council coming on this forum with your common sense approach to issues! How dare you suggest a tried and tested method for road crossing will work any better than some half a***d theoretical model dreamt up by someone who should have known better?

Russian Roulette with cars is what this type of crossing amounts to. It's not just blind people who will suffer but everyone and it is a complete load of tosh. Couple it in with the fact that more traffic will be coming this way because of the equally nonsensical shutting off of Fleming Way and it is only a matter of time before someone gets killed.

You don't need an audit SBC, you need to apply common sense and put a proper crossing in.
[quote][p][bold]semitonic[/bold] wrote: Blind person + speeding BMW + poorly designed crossing = death Blind person + speeding BMW + zebra / pelican crossing = survival There, I've solved it.[/p][/quote]You will never get a job at the Council coming on this forum with your common sense approach to issues! How dare you suggest a tried and tested method for road crossing will work any better than some half a***d theoretical model dreamt up by someone who should have known better? Russian Roulette with cars is what this type of crossing amounts to. It's not just blind people who will suffer but everyone and it is a complete load of tosh. Couple it in with the fact that more traffic will be coming this way because of the equally nonsensical shutting off of Fleming Way and it is only a matter of time before someone gets killed. You don't need an audit SBC, you need to apply common sense and put a proper crossing in. Wildwestener
  • Score: 17

9:52am Sat 9 Aug 14

Oik1 says...

semitonic wrote:
Blind person + speeding BMW + poorly designed crossing = death

Blind person + speeding BMW + zebra / pelican crossing = survival

There, I've solved it.

Well done sir/madam, a job as head of something in the council awaits you, like it's been said, it really isn't difficult to sort out, perhaps it's a problem that should never of arisen.
semitonic wrote: Blind person + speeding BMW + poorly designed crossing = death Blind person + speeding BMW + zebra / pelican crossing = survival There, I've solved it. Well done sir/madam, a job as head of something in the council awaits you, like it's been said, it really isn't difficult to sort out, perhaps it's a problem that should never of arisen. Oik1
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10:13am Sat 9 Aug 14

bampi says...

The Jockster wrote:
bampi wrote:
Apparently people without any brains won't be using it either!!! Get a life...we already spend plenty on 'impaired' people.
What an unpleasant individual you are - I take it you are not impared in any way then? Other than being intellectually challenged and lacking an IQ that exceeds single figures.
How do you know "we spend plenty on impaired people" - care to back up your crass statement with some facts?
The disability living allowance on its own costs us £13 Billion a year, thats 13 thousand million pounds. Look at the government web site jockster. Is that enough for you?
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bampi[/bold] wrote: Apparently people without any brains won't be using it either!!! Get a life...we already spend plenty on 'impaired' people.[/p][/quote]What an unpleasant individual you are - I take it you are not impared in any way then? Other than being intellectually challenged and lacking an IQ that exceeds single figures. How do you know "we spend plenty on impaired people" - care to back up your crass statement with some facts?[/p][/quote]The disability living allowance on its own costs us £13 Billion a year, thats 13 thousand million pounds. Look at the government web site jockster. Is that enough for you? bampi
  • Score: -9

10:28am Sat 9 Aug 14

Wildwestener says...

bampi wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
bampi wrote:
Apparently people without any brains won't be using it either!!! Get a life...we already spend plenty on 'impaired' people.
What an unpleasant individual you are - I take it you are not impared in any way then? Other than being intellectually challenged and lacking an IQ that exceeds single figures.
How do you know "we spend plenty on impaired people" - care to back up your crass statement with some facts?
The disability living allowance on its own costs us £13 Billion a year, thats 13 thousand million pounds. Look at the government web site jockster. Is that enough for you?
Personally, I'm proud that a small percentage of my taxes goes on helping those who need help to lead fulfilling lives that they might not otherwise have been able to because of disabilities. I think it's called being civilised.
[quote][p][bold]bampi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bampi[/bold] wrote: Apparently people without any brains won't be using it either!!! Get a life...we already spend plenty on 'impaired' people.[/p][/quote]What an unpleasant individual you are - I take it you are not impared in any way then? Other than being intellectually challenged and lacking an IQ that exceeds single figures. How do you know "we spend plenty on impaired people" - care to back up your crass statement with some facts?[/p][/quote]The disability living allowance on its own costs us £13 Billion a year, thats 13 thousand million pounds. Look at the government web site jockster. Is that enough for you?[/p][/quote]Personally, I'm proud that a small percentage of my taxes goes on helping those who need help to lead fulfilling lives that they might not otherwise have been able to because of disabilities. I think it's called being civilised. Wildwestener
  • Score: 13

10:36am Sat 9 Aug 14

bampi says...

Wildwestener wrote:
bampi wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
bampi wrote:
Apparently people without any brains won't be using it either!!! Get a life...we already spend plenty on 'impaired' people.
What an unpleasant individual you are - I take it you are not impared in any way then? Other than being intellectually challenged and lacking an IQ that exceeds single figures.
How do you know "we spend plenty on impaired people" - care to back up your crass statement with some facts?
The disability living allowance on its own costs us £13 Billion a year, thats 13 thousand million pounds. Look at the government web site jockster. Is that enough for you?
Personally, I'm proud that a small percentage of my taxes goes on helping those who need help to lead fulfilling lives that they might not otherwise have been able to because of disabilities. I think it's called being civilised.
It's people like you that have sent our economy down the pan in the not too distant past.
[quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bampi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bampi[/bold] wrote: Apparently people without any brains won't be using it either!!! Get a life...we already spend plenty on 'impaired' people.[/p][/quote]What an unpleasant individual you are - I take it you are not impared in any way then? Other than being intellectually challenged and lacking an IQ that exceeds single figures. How do you know "we spend plenty on impaired people" - care to back up your crass statement with some facts?[/p][/quote]The disability living allowance on its own costs us £13 Billion a year, thats 13 thousand million pounds. Look at the government web site jockster. Is that enough for you?[/p][/quote]Personally, I'm proud that a small percentage of my taxes goes on helping those who need help to lead fulfilling lives that they might not otherwise have been able to because of disabilities. I think it's called being civilised.[/p][/quote]It's people like you that have sent our economy down the pan in the not too distant past. bampi
  • Score: -11

10:41am Sat 9 Aug 14

Ollie Dognacky says...

Good grief 😳
Good grief 😳 Ollie Dognacky
  • Score: -1

11:08am Sat 9 Aug 14

Ollie Dognacky says...

Oh joy.
The thumb fiddler is working overtime.
What exactly is this "person" hoping to achieve??
The economy remark is totally irrelevant as clearing up accidents will also cost money.
The economy remark is also irrelevant as Swindon Borough Clownskool will continue to waste money on audits, avoiding common sense, and absolutely refusing to respect public opinion.
Oh joy. The thumb fiddler is working overtime. What exactly is this "person" hoping to achieve?? The economy remark is totally irrelevant as clearing up accidents will also cost money. The economy remark is also irrelevant as Swindon Borough Clownskool will continue to waste money on audits, avoiding common sense, and absolutely refusing to respect public opinion. Ollie Dognacky
  • Score: 0

11:41am Sat 9 Aug 14

GrumpyLocal says...

"As part of the Ashfield Land scheme, new raised courtesy crossings have been introduced in Regent Circus and Commercial Road. They give priority to pedestrians but residents say this isn’t always adhered to."

Exactly where does anything inform drivers of this radical new way for people to cross the road?
Do pedestrians have an obligation to ensure that they leave enough time for cars to stop when they step in to road or is it just a free for all?
I'm not justifying bad drivers or drivers that pay no attention, but I'm very concerned that the objects that are moving fastest, take longer to stop & have more destructive power, are the ones that are having to all the think and avoidance in this scheme.
At walking pace a pedestrian can stop within about 2ft/0.5m, cars have nowhere near that stopping distance yet are the ones expected to give way if someone walks out in front of them?
Utter nonsense.
We've all been taught when learning to drive that we need to take care around Zebra crossings and stop if pedestrians are waiting to cross & we've all bee taught how traffic lights work & 99.9% of the time people stop when told. As children we are also taught how to cross the road and taught that the safest place to cross is at a Zebra crossing or where there are traffic lights. Suddenly we are all being told to learn something new without anyone actually telling us how it is supposed to work!
"As part of the Ashfield Land scheme, new raised courtesy crossings have been introduced in Regent Circus and Commercial Road. They give priority to pedestrians but residents say this isn’t always adhered to." Exactly where does anything inform drivers of this radical new way for people to cross the road? Do pedestrians have an obligation to ensure that they leave enough time for cars to stop when they step in to road or is it just a free for all? I'm not justifying bad drivers or drivers that pay no attention, but I'm very concerned that the objects that are moving fastest, take longer to stop & have more destructive power, are the ones that are having to all the think and avoidance in this scheme. At walking pace a pedestrian can stop within about 2ft/0.5m, cars have nowhere near that stopping distance yet are the ones expected to give way if someone walks out in front of them? Utter nonsense. We've all been taught when learning to drive that we need to take care around Zebra crossings and stop if pedestrians are waiting to cross & we've all bee taught how traffic lights work & 99.9% of the time people stop when told. As children we are also taught how to cross the road and taught that the safest place to cross is at a Zebra crossing or where there are traffic lights. Suddenly we are all being told to learn something new without anyone actually telling us how it is supposed to work! GrumpyLocal
  • Score: 10

1:35pm Sat 9 Aug 14

AMSOSA says...

1. Once again disabled people are treated as second class citizens by Claire Cornelius, Swindon Council transport development manager, who is our employee.

2. Why remove a system that worked very well in the past, only to cost far more and then pay loads more to see if it works.

3. Who gets the extra money to carry out the survey and how much does that cost to say it doesn't work?

3. Dale Heenan states 'We take on board the concerns and we are trying to work with you'

Excuse me? You work for us!
1. Once again disabled people are treated as second class citizens by Claire Cornelius, Swindon Council transport development manager, who is our employee. 2. Why remove a system that worked very well in the past, only to cost far more and then pay loads more to see if it works. 3. Who gets the extra money to carry out the survey and how much does that cost to say it doesn't work? 3. Dale Heenan states 'We take on board the concerns and we are trying to work with you' Excuse me? You work for us! AMSOSA
  • Score: 8

5:27pm Sat 9 Aug 14

helen1111 says...

I have the dubious please of crossing here every day, and believe me the cars do not know pedestrians have the right of way, and until reading this nor did I !
I have the dubious please of crossing here every day, and believe me the cars do not know pedestrians have the right of way, and until reading this nor did I ! helen1111
  • Score: 10

7:17pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Bigstylie says...

The police didn't want to get involved when I was nearly mowed down and then abused despite being over half way across. "She didn't have to stop for you" was the shocking response from the PCSO! What chance is there for the vulnerable!!!
The police didn't want to get involved when I was nearly mowed down and then abused despite being over half way across. "She didn't have to stop for you" was the shocking response from the PCSO! What chance is there for the vulnerable!!! Bigstylie
  • Score: 6

7:20pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Bigstylie says...

@Grumpylocal - pedestrians are already half way across the road a the first half is bus lane only. What more notification does a driver need than a pedestrian already in the middle of a crossing?
@Grumpylocal - pedestrians are already half way across the road a the first half is bus lane only. What more notification does a driver need than a pedestrian already in the middle of a crossing? Bigstylie
  • Score: 0

8:26pm Sat 9 Aug 14

peewee says...

i use this road on occasion since it has been renewed, and to be honest with you no cars give way, only the occasional, when i drive i give way to pedestrians, its ridiculous, no one likes to wait for the pedestrians to cross they blatently have no manners, i preferred it when there was pedestrian crossings, i have also contacted the dept within the council and they say nothing can be done about it and they notice that cars do give way, thats strange because many people complain about it
i use this road on occasion since it has been renewed, and to be honest with you no cars give way, only the occasional, when i drive i give way to pedestrians, its ridiculous, no one likes to wait for the pedestrians to cross they blatently have no manners, i preferred it when there was pedestrian crossings, i have also contacted the dept within the council and they say nothing can be done about it and they notice that cars do give way, thats strange because many people complain about it peewee
  • Score: 8

8:36pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Alan Bast*rd says...

Anything that leads to confusion is potentially dangerous. This is a prime example. Whatever idiot dreamt this up and whoever gave it their blessing should hang their heads in shame.
Anything that leads to confusion is potentially dangerous. This is a prime example. Whatever idiot dreamt this up and whoever gave it their blessing should hang their heads in shame. Alan Bast*rd
  • Score: 7

10:00pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Wowzimmer says...

Bigstylie wrote:
The police didn't want to get involved when I was nearly mowed down and then abused despite being over half way across. "She didn't have to stop for you" was the shocking response from the PCSO! What chance is there for the vulnerable!!!
That's really sad to hear Bigstylie. You would like to think that a PCSO would know that pedestrians have right of way whether at Regents Circus or anywhere else.

However, I can't bring myself to join in the chorus of disapproval of the Regent Circus crossing. Many similar schemes have been implemented in a number of towns and cities across the country (having already been successfully used in other countries). Whilst the change from the decades old segregation of pedestrian and car isn't popular there have been no huge spikes in accidents or pedestrian casualties.

I hope that Swindon Borough Council can quickly (and inexpensively) learn best practice from similar schemes and introduce appropriate changes that allay the fears of some local residents.
[quote][p][bold]Bigstylie[/bold] wrote: The police didn't want to get involved when I was nearly mowed down and then abused despite being over half way across. "She didn't have to stop for you" was the shocking response from the PCSO! What chance is there for the vulnerable!!![/p][/quote]That's really sad to hear Bigstylie. You would like to think that a PCSO would know that pedestrians have right of way whether at Regents Circus or anywhere else. However, I can't bring myself to join in the chorus of disapproval of the Regent Circus crossing. Many similar schemes have been implemented in a number of towns and cities across the country (having already been successfully used in other countries). Whilst the change from the decades old segregation of pedestrian and car isn't popular there have been no huge spikes in accidents or pedestrian casualties. I hope that Swindon Borough Council can quickly (and inexpensively) learn best practice from similar schemes and introduce appropriate changes that allay the fears of some local residents. Wowzimmer
  • Score: -2

10:10pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Alan Bast*rd says...

Wowzimmer wrote:
Bigstylie wrote:
The police didn't want to get involved when I was nearly mowed down and then abused despite being over half way across. "She didn't have to stop for you" was the shocking response from the PCSO! What chance is there for the vulnerable!!!
That's really sad to hear Bigstylie. You would like to think that a PCSO would know that pedestrians have right of way whether at Regents Circus or anywhere else.

However, I can't bring myself to join in the chorus of disapproval of the Regent Circus crossing. Many similar schemes have been implemented in a number of towns and cities across the country (having already been successfully used in other countries). Whilst the change from the decades old segregation of pedestrian and car isn't popular there have been no huge spikes in accidents or pedestrian casualties.

I hope that Swindon Borough Council can quickly (and inexpensively) learn best practice from similar schemes and introduce appropriate changes that allay the fears of some local residents.
Unfortunately pcso's seem to struggle to know their arses from their elbows. I was at a friends one day when they needed to call the police as a stolen car had been abandoned, blocking their gate and meaning they couldn't get their own car out.
The idiot pcso sent out had to have it explained to them like you would a child how it was blocking the gate. To anyone with a brain cell it was blatantly obvious.
[quote][p][bold]Wowzimmer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bigstylie[/bold] wrote: The police didn't want to get involved when I was nearly mowed down and then abused despite being over half way across. "She didn't have to stop for you" was the shocking response from the PCSO! What chance is there for the vulnerable!!![/p][/quote]That's really sad to hear Bigstylie. You would like to think that a PCSO would know that pedestrians have right of way whether at Regents Circus or anywhere else. However, I can't bring myself to join in the chorus of disapproval of the Regent Circus crossing. Many similar schemes have been implemented in a number of towns and cities across the country (having already been successfully used in other countries). Whilst the change from the decades old segregation of pedestrian and car isn't popular there have been no huge spikes in accidents or pedestrian casualties. I hope that Swindon Borough Council can quickly (and inexpensively) learn best practice from similar schemes and introduce appropriate changes that allay the fears of some local residents.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately pcso's seem to struggle to know their arses from their elbows. I was at a friends one day when they needed to call the police as a stolen car had been abandoned, blocking their gate and meaning they couldn't get their own car out. The idiot pcso sent out had to have it explained to them like you would a child how it was blocking the gate. To anyone with a brain cell it was blatantly obvious. Alan Bast*rd
  • Score: 1

9:24am Sun 10 Aug 14

house on the hill says...

AMSOSA wrote:
1. Once again disabled people are treated as second class citizens by Claire Cornelius, Swindon Council transport development manager, who is our employee.

2. Why remove a system that worked very well in the past, only to cost far more and then pay loads more to see if it works.

3. Who gets the extra money to carry out the survey and how much does that cost to say it doesn't work?

3. Dale Heenan states 'We take on board the concerns and we are trying to work with you'

Excuse me? You work for us!
As with so many things in life, theory and practice are 2 very different things. Our council tax we are forced by law to pay whether we use the services or not does indeed pay for our councillors, staff and everything they do with the money but work for us? Seriously? You have clearly never worked with this bunch, councillors who think being elected means that they can do what they like in their self serving look at me I am more important than you world and council staff who haven't had a new idea in 20 years because it is the same people running things recycling their out of date , out of touch with the real business world policies and processes again and again.

Until there is a much needed cull of the old school deadwood living in their nice easy non competitive, guaranteed income, no consequences for failure business world we will still see stupid, wasteful, complacent, staff, laughing all the way to their gold plated pensions while the town crumbles around them. The whole public sector non competitive monopoly system needs changing before we see real value for money common sense, in the best interests of the customer rather than the staff working practices that we deserve and pay for. Idiots the lot of them!
[quote][p][bold]AMSOSA[/bold] wrote: 1. Once again disabled people are treated as second class citizens by Claire Cornelius, Swindon Council transport development manager, who is our employee. 2. Why remove a system that worked very well in the past, only to cost far more and then pay loads more to see if it works. 3. Who gets the extra money to carry out the survey and how much does that cost to say it doesn't work? 3. Dale Heenan states 'We take on board the concerns and we are trying to work with you' Excuse me? You work for us![/p][/quote]As with so many things in life, theory and practice are 2 very different things. Our council tax we are forced by law to pay whether we use the services or not does indeed pay for our councillors, staff and everything they do with the money but work for us? Seriously? You have clearly never worked with this bunch, councillors who think being elected means that they can do what they like in their self serving look at me I am more important than you world and council staff who haven't had a new idea in 20 years because it is the same people running things recycling their out of date , out of touch with the real business world policies and processes again and again. Until there is a much needed cull of the old school deadwood living in their nice easy non competitive, guaranteed income, no consequences for failure business world we will still see stupid, wasteful, complacent, staff, laughing all the way to their gold plated pensions while the town crumbles around them. The whole public sector non competitive monopoly system needs changing before we see real value for money common sense, in the best interests of the customer rather than the staff working practices that we deserve and pay for. Idiots the lot of them! house on the hill
  • Score: 5

9:40am Sun 10 Aug 14

semitonic says...

Top post hoth
Top post hoth semitonic
  • Score: 1

10:16am Sun 10 Aug 14

Ollie Dognacky says...

Agreed.
Good summary
Agreed. Good summary Ollie Dognacky
  • Score: 0

11:56am Sun 10 Aug 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

I wonder who would need to be killed before SBC would take action on this?
It is only by blind luck that there hasnt been many more hurt by this shambles.
Well done on the development the town needs it but as with just about everything else the touch SBC have failed to plan ahead and put measures in place.
As stated above there is zero accountability as they have ensured there is always someone else to blame.
Between this fatality waiting to happen and the awful Averies situation SBC have left themselves open to lengthy and costly court proceedings which again they will not be held responsible for WE as tax payers will be responsible for.
If anyone can suggest ANYTHING that SBC can be proud of please let us know as far as I can tell they have failed in part or completely in everything they have touched.
What other work place can offer that?
I wonder who would need to be killed before SBC would take action on this? It is only by blind luck that there hasnt been many more hurt by this shambles. Well done on the development the town needs it but as with just about everything else the touch SBC have failed to plan ahead and put measures in place. As stated above there is zero accountability as they have ensured there is always someone else to blame. Between this fatality waiting to happen and the awful Averies situation SBC have left themselves open to lengthy and costly court proceedings which again they will not be held responsible for WE as tax payers will be responsible for. If anyone can suggest ANYTHING that SBC can be proud of please let us know as far as I can tell they have failed in part or completely in everything they have touched. What other work place can offer that? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 1

11:58am Sun 10 Aug 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

bampi wrote:
Apparently people without any brains won't be using it either!!! Get a life...we already spend plenty on 'impaired' people.
Is that you again X?
Sorry councilor?
[quote][p][bold]bampi[/bold] wrote: Apparently people without any brains won't be using it either!!! Get a life...we already spend plenty on 'impaired' people.[/p][/quote]Is that you again X? Sorry councilor? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 1

2:56pm Sun 10 Aug 14

PJC says...

I use it 4 times a day usually, and have not had any problems with it. A few drivers have failed to stop, but as I assume they are not going to anyway, I haven't blithely stridden out without looking. I can acknowledge it may be a problem for blind or partially sighted people, so some education for drivers is required. (The standard of driving is generally terrible-heard of The Highway Code?) Normally sighted people should have some road sense. I don't drive any more by the way, but it is a shared space, so the onus is on motorists 'and' pedestrians to use it properly. It's really not that difficult.
I use it 4 times a day usually, and have not had any problems with it. A few drivers have failed to stop, but as I assume they are not going to anyway, I haven't blithely stridden out without looking. I can acknowledge it may be a problem for blind or partially sighted people, so some education for drivers is required. (The standard of driving is generally terrible-heard of The Highway Code?) Normally sighted people should have some road sense. I don't drive any more by the way, but it is a shared space, so the onus is on motorists 'and' pedestrians to use it properly. It's really not that difficult. PJC
  • Score: -3

9:29pm Sun 10 Aug 14

house on the hill says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
I wonder who would need to be killed before SBC would take action on this?
It is only by blind luck that there hasnt been many more hurt by this shambles.
Well done on the development the town needs it but as with just about everything else the touch SBC have failed to plan ahead and put measures in place.
As stated above there is zero accountability as they have ensured there is always someone else to blame.
Between this fatality waiting to happen and the awful Averies situation SBC have left themselves open to lengthy and costly court proceedings which again they will not be held responsible for WE as tax payers will be responsible for.
If anyone can suggest ANYTHING that SBC can be proud of please let us know as far as I can tell they have failed in part or completely in everything they have touched.
What other work place can offer that?
Oh I dont know, most councils, the CSA, The passport office, border control, department for work and pensions, the list of public sector incompetance and waste is endless!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: I wonder who would need to be killed before SBC would take action on this? It is only by blind luck that there hasnt been many more hurt by this shambles. Well done on the development the town needs it but as with just about everything else the touch SBC have failed to plan ahead and put measures in place. As stated above there is zero accountability as they have ensured there is always someone else to blame. Between this fatality waiting to happen and the awful Averies situation SBC have left themselves open to lengthy and costly court proceedings which again they will not be held responsible for WE as tax payers will be responsible for. If anyone can suggest ANYTHING that SBC can be proud of please let us know as far as I can tell they have failed in part or completely in everything they have touched. What other work place can offer that?[/p][/quote]Oh I dont know, most councils, the CSA, The passport office, border control, department for work and pensions, the list of public sector incompetance and waste is endless!!!!! house on the hill
  • Score: 0

11:07pm Sun 10 Aug 14

mrwoo says...

Am i missing something hear, but why would a blind person want to go to the cinema?
Am i missing something hear, but why would a blind person want to go to the cinema? mrwoo
  • Score: -3

11:14pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

house on the hill wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
I wonder who would need to be killed before SBC would take action on this?
It is only by blind luck that there hasnt been many more hurt by this shambles.
Well done on the development the town needs it but as with just about everything else the touch SBC have failed to plan ahead and put measures in place.
As stated above there is zero accountability as they have ensured there is always someone else to blame.
Between this fatality waiting to happen and the awful Averies situation SBC have left themselves open to lengthy and costly court proceedings which again they will not be held responsible for WE as tax payers will be responsible for.
If anyone can suggest ANYTHING that SBC can be proud of please let us know as far as I can tell they have failed in part or completely in everything they have touched.
What other work place can offer that?
Oh I dont know, most councils, the CSA, The passport office, border control, department for work and pensions, the list of public sector incompetance and waste is endless!!!!!
I dont understand how failure get rewarded. What are children supposed to think about it....I can fail and it doesnt matter someone will always bail me out.
Many blame a leftie benefit system for this but I think it comes down to bail outs and tax payers money being used to prop up consistent failures who then seem to be rewarded for it.
Maybe everyone should stop pointing fingers and take some responsibility.....? Naah never happen.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: I wonder who would need to be killed before SBC would take action on this? It is only by blind luck that there hasnt been many more hurt by this shambles. Well done on the development the town needs it but as with just about everything else the touch SBC have failed to plan ahead and put measures in place. As stated above there is zero accountability as they have ensured there is always someone else to blame. Between this fatality waiting to happen and the awful Averies situation SBC have left themselves open to lengthy and costly court proceedings which again they will not be held responsible for WE as tax payers will be responsible for. If anyone can suggest ANYTHING that SBC can be proud of please let us know as far as I can tell they have failed in part or completely in everything they have touched. What other work place can offer that?[/p][/quote]Oh I dont know, most councils, the CSA, The passport office, border control, department for work and pensions, the list of public sector incompetance and waste is endless!!!!![/p][/quote]I dont understand how failure get rewarded. What are children supposed to think about it....I can fail and it doesnt matter someone will always bail me out. Many blame a leftie benefit system for this but I think it comes down to bail outs and tax payers money being used to prop up consistent failures who then seem to be rewarded for it. Maybe everyone should stop pointing fingers and take some responsibility.....? Naah never happen. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -2

11:27pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Project 2013 says...

What does the Highway Code, the Central Government, 'Gold Star', guide for drives say on this?

What does the Home Office, Police 'Blue book' on driving, say on these sort of crossings?

Well, as far as far as I am aware nothing!

But if you are interested in what for instance Guide Dogs say read on: http://www.guidedogs
.org.uk/media/149782
6/Shared_space_-_saf
e_space_Ramboll_Nyvi
g_report.pdf

But they are just one organisation, what about the RNIB Try this:
http://www.rnib.org.
uk/cy/campaigning-ca
mpaign-resources-my-
street/shared-space

I could go on as there is a joint document put out by a lot of organisations whom have strong views on the development of these 'shared spaces' which goes further and has good advice and guidence.

Oh and SBC has to consult with the groups affected, has this taken place and if so with whom...and if not when?

Finally I do not believe that central government are in favour of shared spaces in inappropriate places?

That said, I am not informed of the long term plan for this area. Maybe there will be no cars at all...except those nice quiet electric ones ...unless legislation has been passed and ratified by the EEC to give them a noise!

See its all more complex than mere aesthetics which looked so nice on the plans.

If you have a doubt about it and have sight then just tie a scarf round your eyes or just shut them and then at eight thirty am to 9 am cross that crossing.

I won't be liable for you as it will be not advisable, but please let the Adver. know, so that they can report on your success. After your relief has passed away and the adrenaline rush has passed, do it again next week. and the week after? Happy now?
What does the Highway Code, the Central Government, 'Gold Star', guide for drives say on this? What does the Home Office, Police 'Blue book' on driving, say on these sort of crossings? Well, as far as far as I am aware nothing! But if you are interested in what for instance Guide Dogs say read on: http://www.guidedogs .org.uk/media/149782 6/Shared_space_-_saf e_space_Ramboll_Nyvi g_report.pdf But they are just one organisation, what about the RNIB Try this: http://www.rnib.org. uk/cy/campaigning-ca mpaign-resources-my- street/shared-space I could go on as there is a joint document put out by a lot of organisations whom have strong views on the development of these 'shared spaces' which goes further and has good advice and guidence. Oh and SBC has to consult with the groups affected, has this taken place and if so with whom...and if not when? Finally I do not believe that central government are in favour of shared spaces in inappropriate places? That said, I am not informed of the long term plan for this area. Maybe there will be no cars at all...except those nice quiet electric ones ...unless legislation has been passed and ratified by the EEC to give them a noise! See its all more complex than mere aesthetics which looked so nice on the plans. If you have a doubt about it and have sight then just tie a scarf round your eyes or just shut them and then at eight thirty am to 9 am cross that crossing. I won't be liable for you as it will be not advisable, but please let the Adver. know, so that they can report on your success. After your relief has passed away and the adrenaline rush has passed, do it again next week. and the week after? Happy now? Project 2013
  • Score: 0

9:43am Mon 11 Aug 14

Wiltshirereader says...

The road crossing system is a complete shambles and heads should roll for it's inadequacy!!! Surely until a sensible solution is found the very least that could be done is to have the 'crossings' painted with black stripes? Obviously this wouldn't help the visually impaired but would at least be a quick route to a solution! The plans may have looked very pretty but it's now blatantly clear that it isn't safe!!
The road crossing system is a complete shambles and heads should roll for it's inadequacy!!! Surely until a sensible solution is found the very least that could be done is to have the 'crossings' painted with black stripes? Obviously this wouldn't help the visually impaired but would at least be a quick route to a solution! The plans may have looked very pretty but it's now blatantly clear that it isn't safe!! Wiltshirereader
  • Score: 1

9:43am Mon 11 Aug 14

GrumpyLocal says...

Bigstylie wrote:
@Grumpylocal - pedestrians are already half way across the road a the first half is bus lane only. What more notification does a driver need than a pedestrian already in the middle of a crossing?
Great, so they hit by a bus first! Superb planning.
[quote][p][bold]Bigstylie[/bold] wrote: @Grumpylocal - pedestrians are already half way across the road a the first half is bus lane only. What more notification does a driver need than a pedestrian already in the middle of a crossing?[/p][/quote]Great, so they hit by a bus first! Superb planning. GrumpyLocal
  • Score: 1

9:49am Mon 11 Aug 14

GrumpyLocal says...

Wowzimmer wrote:
Bigstylie wrote:
The police didn't want to get involved when I was nearly mowed down and then abused despite being over half way across. "She didn't have to stop for you" was the shocking response from the PCSO! What chance is there for the vulnerable!!!
That's really sad to hear Bigstylie. You would like to think that a PCSO would know that pedestrians have right of way whether at Regents Circus or anywhere else.

However, I can't bring myself to join in the chorus of disapproval of the Regent Circus crossing. Many similar schemes have been implemented in a number of towns and cities across the country (having already been successfully used in other countries). Whilst the change from the decades old segregation of pedestrian and car isn't popular there have been no huge spikes in accidents or pedestrian casualties.

I hope that Swindon Borough Council can quickly (and inexpensively) learn best practice from similar schemes and introduce appropriate changes that allay the fears of some local residents.
Yes, but where have the schemes been implemented & how have they been sign posted?
Areas that would be suitable for this type of scheme would be Wood St in Old Town. A road that has low volumes of traffic but requires a through route to allow customers, retailers & residents access to the facilities.
Regent Circus is a main through road with huge volumes of traffic throughout the day & is totally the wrong position for this type of scheme.
[quote][p][bold]Wowzimmer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bigstylie[/bold] wrote: The police didn't want to get involved when I was nearly mowed down and then abused despite being over half way across. "She didn't have to stop for you" was the shocking response from the PCSO! What chance is there for the vulnerable!!![/p][/quote]That's really sad to hear Bigstylie. You would like to think that a PCSO would know that pedestrians have right of way whether at Regents Circus or anywhere else. However, I can't bring myself to join in the chorus of disapproval of the Regent Circus crossing. Many similar schemes have been implemented in a number of towns and cities across the country (having already been successfully used in other countries). Whilst the change from the decades old segregation of pedestrian and car isn't popular there have been no huge spikes in accidents or pedestrian casualties. I hope that Swindon Borough Council can quickly (and inexpensively) learn best practice from similar schemes and introduce appropriate changes that allay the fears of some local residents.[/p][/quote]Yes, but where have the schemes been implemented & how have they been sign posted? Areas that would be suitable for this type of scheme would be Wood St in Old Town. A road that has low volumes of traffic but requires a through route to allow customers, retailers & residents access to the facilities. Regent Circus is a main through road with huge volumes of traffic throughout the day & is totally the wrong position for this type of scheme. GrumpyLocal
  • Score: 4

2:22pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Swindon_Lover says...

semitonic wrote:
Blind person + speeding BMW + poorly designed crossing = death

Blind person + speeding BMW + zebra / pelican crossing = survival

There, I've solved it.
A minority should not be discriminated against. These people contributed toward society and pay taxes yet here you are assuming BMW drivers are speeding. Why not say speeding cars? Instead you single our BMW drivers. You should be ashamed of yourself.
[quote][p][bold]semitonic[/bold] wrote: Blind person + speeding BMW + poorly designed crossing = death Blind person + speeding BMW + zebra / pelican crossing = survival There, I've solved it.[/p][/quote]A minority should not be discriminated against. These people contributed toward society and pay taxes yet here you are assuming BMW drivers are speeding. Why not say speeding cars? Instead you single our BMW drivers. You should be ashamed of yourself. Swindon_Lover
  • Score: -5

4:57pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Sensical says...

'Am i missing something hear, but why would a blind person want to go to the cinema'

So blind people don't buy food?
'Am i missing something hear, but why would a blind person want to go to the cinema' So blind people don't buy food? Sensical
  • Score: 1

5:11pm Thu 14 Aug 14

JohnsyG says...

GrumpyLocal wrote:
"As part of the Ashfield Land scheme, new raised courtesy crossings have been introduced in Regent Circus and Commercial Road. They give priority to pedestrians but residents say this isn’t always adhered to."

Exactly where does anything inform drivers of this radical new way for people to cross the road?
Do pedestrians have an obligation to ensure that they leave enough time for cars to stop when they step in to road or is it just a free for all?
I'm not justifying bad drivers or drivers that pay no attention, but I'm very concerned that the objects that are moving fastest, take longer to stop & have more destructive power, are the ones that are having to all the think and avoidance in this scheme.
At walking pace a pedestrian can stop within about 2ft/0.5m, cars have nowhere near that stopping distance yet are the ones expected to give way if someone walks out in front of them?
Utter nonsense.
We've all been taught when learning to drive that we need to take care around Zebra crossings and stop if pedestrians are waiting to cross & we've all bee taught how traffic lights work & 99.9% of the time people stop when told. As children we are also taught how to cross the road and taught that the safest place to cross is at a Zebra crossing or where there are traffic lights. Suddenly we are all being told to learn something new without anyone actually telling us how it is supposed to work!
Good point, and there's nothing in the highway code either to tell us who has right of way etc. It's already been stated by the two largest motoring organisations that "zebra crossings are no longer enough to protect pedestrians from traffic, as cars often don't stop", so what make the planners think that they'll give way to pedestrians with no sign telling them to, I can't imagine.
[quote][p][bold]GrumpyLocal[/bold] wrote: "As part of the Ashfield Land scheme, new raised courtesy crossings have been introduced in Regent Circus and Commercial Road. They give priority to pedestrians but residents say this isn’t always adhered to." Exactly where does anything inform drivers of this radical new way for people to cross the road? Do pedestrians have an obligation to ensure that they leave enough time for cars to stop when they step in to road or is it just a free for all? I'm not justifying bad drivers or drivers that pay no attention, but I'm very concerned that the objects that are moving fastest, take longer to stop & have more destructive power, are the ones that are having to all the think and avoidance in this scheme. At walking pace a pedestrian can stop within about 2ft/0.5m, cars have nowhere near that stopping distance yet are the ones expected to give way if someone walks out in front of them? Utter nonsense. We've all been taught when learning to drive that we need to take care around Zebra crossings and stop if pedestrians are waiting to cross & we've all bee taught how traffic lights work & 99.9% of the time people stop when told. As children we are also taught how to cross the road and taught that the safest place to cross is at a Zebra crossing or where there are traffic lights. Suddenly we are all being told to learn something new without anyone actually telling us how it is supposed to work![/p][/quote]Good point, and there's nothing in the highway code either to tell us who has right of way etc. It's already been stated by the two largest motoring organisations that "zebra crossings are no longer enough to protect pedestrians from traffic, as cars often don't stop", so what make the planners think that they'll give way to pedestrians with no sign telling them to, I can't imagine. JohnsyG
  • Score: 0

5:19pm Thu 14 Aug 14

JohnsyG says...

Wowzimmer wrote:
Bigstylie wrote:
The police didn't want to get involved when I was nearly mowed down and then abused despite being over half way across. "She didn't have to stop for you" was the shocking response from the PCSO! What chance is there for the vulnerable!!!
That's really sad to hear Bigstylie. You would like to think that a PCSO would know that pedestrians have right of way whether at Regents Circus or anywhere else.

However, I can't bring myself to join in the chorus of disapproval of the Regent Circus crossing. Many similar schemes have been implemented in a number of towns and cities across the country (having already been successfully used in other countries). Whilst the change from the decades old segregation of pedestrian and car isn't popular there have been no huge spikes in accidents or pedestrian casualties.

I hope that Swindon Borough Council can quickly (and inexpensively) learn best practice from similar schemes and introduce appropriate changes that allay the fears of some local residents.
It would have been helpful if they'd spent a bit of time "selling" us the concept rather than just throwing the thing together with no information and expecting it to sort itself out. They may have saved themselves some of the abuse they're attracting now too.
[quote][p][bold]Wowzimmer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bigstylie[/bold] wrote: The police didn't want to get involved when I was nearly mowed down and then abused despite being over half way across. "She didn't have to stop for you" was the shocking response from the PCSO! What chance is there for the vulnerable!!![/p][/quote]That's really sad to hear Bigstylie. You would like to think that a PCSO would know that pedestrians have right of way whether at Regents Circus or anywhere else. However, I can't bring myself to join in the chorus of disapproval of the Regent Circus crossing. Many similar schemes have been implemented in a number of towns and cities across the country (having already been successfully used in other countries). Whilst the change from the decades old segregation of pedestrian and car isn't popular there have been no huge spikes in accidents or pedestrian casualties. I hope that Swindon Borough Council can quickly (and inexpensively) learn best practice from similar schemes and introduce appropriate changes that allay the fears of some local residents.[/p][/quote]It would have been helpful if they'd spent a bit of time "selling" us the concept rather than just throwing the thing together with no information and expecting it to sort itself out. They may have saved themselves some of the abuse they're attracting now too. JohnsyG
  • Score: 0

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