Holiday fines are unfair, say parents

This Is Wiltshire: Carrie McColl Carrie McColl

THERE has been a dramatic increase in the number of parents fined for taking their children out of school without authorisation.

In the past 12 months, the number of fines handed out in Swindon has risen from around 700 to almost 1,300.

It is a trend seen across the country with many parents saying the cost of going on holiday during the school holidays means going during term time is the only viable option.

There are calls for a change in legislation to either bring the cost of holidays down or give parents more flexibility.

One such parent is Vicki Farthing, of Greenmeadow, who says while she has not been given a fine, she has not been able to visit her dad in the Isle of Man with her 15-year-old daughter Teri because of the high costs.

She said: “I can fully understand why the number has gone up so much. The cost is so much higher during the school holidays that it is just not worth it.

“My dad lives on the Isle of Man and we haven’t been able to see him for ages. It is £800 during the holidays but drops to £350 during term which is a massive difference.

“My daughter would benefit massively from seeing her grandfather and what the place has to offer but it is not possible.

“When Teri was in primary school the headteacher said she could have three days off for a christening in Spain. Because she was well behaved and ahead of her work this was fine.

“That’s how it should be. Obviously if the child is a hell-raiser and behind then they shouldn’t be able to go on holiday but the good kids should not have to suffer.”

Carrie McColl, 33, of Gorse Hill, also thinks parents should have more freedom.

She said: “My daughter starts primary school in September so we have already had the letter explaining the rules and the fine.

“I think that if a child is attending school 99 per cent of the time then I’m not sure what difference a few days is going to make.

“I remember being taken out of school for a few days and I wouldn’t change that experience. Stopping them is taking away the right to parent.”

A petition was signed by several hundred thousand parents calling for action to be taken earlier this year, prompting a debate in parliament.

Swindon North MP Justin Tomlinson was involved and called for a new approach to be taken to school holidays.

He said: “In Germany holidays are spread over a longer period for different regions which is what I would like to see here. So for example all of the South West goes on holiday and then the Midlands takes a different time.

“This would benefit parents because everyone would not be going on holiday at the same time and the travel industry would be in favour so business isn’t confined to a six week period.

“We have gone some way in addressing this issue but I think there is more we can do.”

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7:37am Mon 11 Aug 14

montgomery burns says...

I payed an extra 1000 pounds to go to the canaries in holiday time, to be honest talking the fine would have been a lot cheaper than paying the extra that the greedy holiday company charge , the price raise is directly aimed at parents trying to take there kids away for a holiday And it is not fair, some kids simply Will not be able to go. Next time i Will take them out of school And take the fine, why pay over the odds for the exact same holiday
I payed an extra 1000 pounds to go to the canaries in holiday time, to be honest talking the fine would have been a lot cheaper than paying the extra that the greedy holiday company charge , the price raise is directly aimed at parents trying to take there kids away for a holiday And it is not fair, some kids simply Will not be able to go. Next time i Will take them out of school And take the fine, why pay over the odds for the exact same holiday montgomery burns
  • Score: 22

8:06am Mon 11 Aug 14

suburbanbear says...

montgomery burns wrote:
I payed an extra 1000 pounds to go to the canaries in holiday time, to be honest talking the fine would have been a lot cheaper than paying the extra that the greedy holiday company charge , the price raise is directly aimed at parents trying to take there kids away for a holiday And it is not fair, some kids simply Will not be able to go. Next time i Will take them out of school And take the fine, why pay over the odds for the exact same holiday
I don't know why you are getting downvoted. I agree with what you have said, and at the end of the day, taking a child out of school a week once or twice a year isn't going to make a **** difference in the grand scheme of things. Of course, you wouldn't want to do this if exams are coming up, but generally speaking I don't see the issue and I too would rather pay the fine than the extortionate holiday prices during the summer holidays.

Both I and my siblings were taken out of school for a week each year (usually between June and mid July) and all of us have good qualifications. Besides, when we got to the ages of GCSE's, A-levels we wanted to do our own thing anyway and weren't keen on going away with our parents.
[quote][p][bold]montgomery burns[/bold] wrote: I payed an extra 1000 pounds to go to the canaries in holiday time, to be honest talking the fine would have been a lot cheaper than paying the extra that the greedy holiday company charge , the price raise is directly aimed at parents trying to take there kids away for a holiday And it is not fair, some kids simply Will not be able to go. Next time i Will take them out of school And take the fine, why pay over the odds for the exact same holiday[/p][/quote]I don't know why you are getting downvoted. I agree with what you have said, and at the end of the day, taking a child out of school a week once or twice a year isn't going to make a **** difference in the grand scheme of things. Of course, you wouldn't want to do this if exams are coming up, but generally speaking I don't see the issue and I too would rather pay the fine than the extortionate holiday prices during the summer holidays. Both I and my siblings were taken out of school for a week each year (usually between June and mid July) and all of us have good qualifications. Besides, when we got to the ages of GCSE's, A-levels we wanted to do our own thing anyway and weren't keen on going away with our parents. suburbanbear
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8:20am Mon 11 Aug 14

house on the hill says...

I don't think you can accuse holiday companies of being greedy, business is about supply and demand, its no different to the rise in prices for flowers around valentines or mothers day, its how all businesses operate. And this has been going on for years, it's nothing new.

there are lots of issues around this but for me it is the fact that parents are hardly setting a good example to their kids by just ignoring the rules and regulations and thinking they are wrong is no excuse, but expecting their kids to behave when they tell them to and grow up to respect the rules. Good old double standards Britain!
I don't think you can accuse holiday companies of being greedy, business is about supply and demand, its no different to the rise in prices for flowers around valentines or mothers day, its how all businesses operate. And this has been going on for years, it's nothing new. there are lots of issues around this but for me it is the fact that parents are hardly setting a good example to their kids by just ignoring the rules and regulations and thinking they are wrong is no excuse, but expecting their kids to behave when they tell them to and grow up to respect the rules. Good old double standards Britain! house on the hill
  • Score: 23

8:28am Mon 11 Aug 14

peewee says...

i hope they do something about this, its really bad, especially if you want to go abroad, for an important reason, you should not be fined at all end of, lets hope the government do something about this
i hope they do something about this, its really bad, especially if you want to go abroad, for an important reason, you should not be fined at all end of, lets hope the government do something about this peewee
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8:38am Mon 11 Aug 14

Isthisthebestswindon cando says...

house on the hill wrote:
I don't think you can accuse holiday companies of being greedy, business is about supply and demand, its no different to the rise in prices for flowers around valentines or mothers day, its how all businesses operate. And this has been going on for years, it's nothing new.

there are lots of issues around this but for me it is the fact that parents are hardly setting a good example to their kids by just ignoring the rules and regulations and thinking they are wrong is no excuse, but expecting their kids to behave when they tell them to and grow up to respect the rules. Good old double standards Britain!
I agree in principle with your thoughts, in particular regarding setting an example to one's children. However I do believe there should be some degree of discretion involved where, for instance, parents are unable to take holiday coinciding with the school holidays (for example one could imagine the possibility of this happening to members of our armed forces).

My understanding is that the rules were introduced to curtail persistent offenders, and I wonder if statistically it has made a real difference in that area?
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: I don't think you can accuse holiday companies of being greedy, business is about supply and demand, its no different to the rise in prices for flowers around valentines or mothers day, its how all businesses operate. And this has been going on for years, it's nothing new. there are lots of issues around this but for me it is the fact that parents are hardly setting a good example to their kids by just ignoring the rules and regulations and thinking they are wrong is no excuse, but expecting their kids to behave when they tell them to and grow up to respect the rules. Good old double standards Britain![/p][/quote]I agree in principle with your thoughts, in particular regarding setting an example to one's children. However I do believe there should be some degree of discretion involved where, for instance, parents are unable to take holiday coinciding with the school holidays (for example one could imagine the possibility of this happening to members of our armed forces). My understanding is that the rules were introduced to curtail persistent offenders, and I wonder if statistically it has made a real difference in that area? Isthisthebestswindon cando
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8:43am Mon 11 Aug 14

benzss says...

house on the hill wrote:
I don't think you can accuse holiday companies of being greedy, business is about supply and demand, its no different to the rise in prices for flowers around valentines or mothers day, its how all businesses operate. And this has been going on for years, it's nothing new.

there are lots of issues around this but for me it is the fact that parents are hardly setting a good example to their kids by just ignoring the rules and regulations and thinking they are wrong is no excuse, but expecting their kids to behave when they tell them to and grow up to respect the rules. Good old double standards Britain!
I do not think that following rules and regulations per se ought to be considered a virtue.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: I don't think you can accuse holiday companies of being greedy, business is about supply and demand, its no different to the rise in prices for flowers around valentines or mothers day, its how all businesses operate. And this has been going on for years, it's nothing new. there are lots of issues around this but for me it is the fact that parents are hardly setting a good example to their kids by just ignoring the rules and regulations and thinking they are wrong is no excuse, but expecting their kids to behave when they tell them to and grow up to respect the rules. Good old double standards Britain![/p][/quote]I do not think that following rules and regulations per se ought to be considered a virtue. benzss
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8:44am Mon 11 Aug 14

AJP1960 says...

I don't understand what all the fuss is about. It's not as if it's a human right to have a holiday when we choose. If you work in manufacturing you have a holiday when the factory closes down - no choice.

I also don't really understand the rush to go abroad. So many people go abroad and immediately seek our the "English" pub for their night time entertainment and look for the "full English breakfast" in the morning. I don't understand why people don't embrace the culture in their chosen destination.

And it's not the tour operators and holiday companies that increase the prices, it's the hotels and resort destinations - they're not daft. The tour operators simply have to pass these increases on.

It's nothing to do with the government.
I don't understand what all the fuss is about. It's not as if it's a human right to have a holiday when we choose. If you work in manufacturing you have a holiday when the factory closes down - no choice. I also don't really understand the rush to go abroad. So many people go abroad and immediately seek our the "English" pub for their night time entertainment and look for the "full English breakfast" in the morning. I don't understand why people don't embrace the culture in their chosen destination. And it's not the tour operators and holiday companies that increase the prices, it's the hotels and resort destinations - they're not daft. The tour operators simply have to pass these increases on. It's nothing to do with the government. AJP1960
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9:10am Mon 11 Aug 14

street2000 says...

I don't have children but I really feel for those people that do. I used to sell holidays part time on line and they really do wang the prices up.
I don't have children but I really feel for those people that do. I used to sell holidays part time on line and they really do wang the prices up. street2000
  • Score: -17

9:19am Mon 11 Aug 14

We are PANTS says...

I think that parents should be allowed to take their children out of school for a week once all exams are out of the way.... The kids would learn far more from an overseas holiday during this period as these last few weeks are normally set aside for fun stuff anyway....
I think that parents should be allowed to take their children out of school for a week once all exams are out of the way.... The kids would learn far more from an overseas holiday during this period as these last few weeks are normally set aside for fun stuff anyway.... We are PANTS
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9:29am Mon 11 Aug 14

Sir Fawn Maker says...

Can I just turn this round and ask how you'd feel if the teachers (who also have to pay the inflated prices) decided to take a couple of weeks of during the term to save money and your kids didn't get their course work finished
Can I just turn this round and ask how you'd feel if the teachers (who also have to pay the inflated prices) decided to take a couple of weeks of during the term to save money and your kids didn't get their course work finished Sir Fawn Maker
  • Score: 87

9:32am Mon 11 Aug 14

Kay B Highworth says...

I wonder how parents would react if teachers wanted to take a holiday in term time? After all, they have the same increase in holiday costs as parents do.
I wonder how parents would react if teachers wanted to take a holiday in term time? After all, they have the same increase in holiday costs as parents do. Kay B Highworth
  • Score: 31

9:48am Mon 11 Aug 14

Alan Bast*rd says...

Its not as if schools don't get enough holidays is it? They must get about 12 weeks a year without the need to take them off on holiday during term time.
Holiday companies whacking their prices up is not the fault of the education system.
Its not as if schools don't get enough holidays is it? They must get about 12 weeks a year without the need to take them off on holiday during term time. Holiday companies whacking their prices up is not the fault of the education system. Alan Bast*rd
  • Score: 10

9:50am Mon 11 Aug 14

oddbob says...

I've already accepted that it's unlikely I'll be able to take my child on holiday for about 10-12 years once they are old enough as I'm unlikely to be able to afford it. I do hope we'll be able to get the odd night away in Youth Hostels if their prices stay reasonable.

I don't agree with the comments about teachers can only take holiday time off and we wouldn't like it if they went off in term time as when they take the job they know this. In my opinion this would be like taking a night shift job and complaining then you don't get to work days.
I've already accepted that it's unlikely I'll be able to take my child on holiday for about 10-12 years once they are old enough as I'm unlikely to be able to afford it. I do hope we'll be able to get the odd night away in Youth Hostels if their prices stay reasonable. I don't agree with the comments about teachers can only take holiday time off and we wouldn't like it if they went off in term time as when they take the job they know this. In my opinion this would be like taking a night shift job and complaining then you don't get to work days. oddbob
  • Score: -8

9:51am Mon 11 Aug 14

scottwichall says...

Alan Bast*rd wrote:
Its not as if schools don't get enough holidays is it? They must get about 12 weeks a year without the need to take them off on holiday during term time.
Holiday companies whacking their prices up is not the fault of the education system.
Actually it is the fault of the education system, as all of the schools are on holiday across the whole country at the same time, which causes a massive increase in demand, and hence prices.
[quote][p][bold]Alan Bast*rd[/bold] wrote: Its not as if schools don't get enough holidays is it? They must get about 12 weeks a year without the need to take them off on holiday during term time. Holiday companies whacking their prices up is not the fault of the education system.[/p][/quote]Actually it is the fault of the education system, as all of the schools are on holiday across the whole country at the same time, which causes a massive increase in demand, and hence prices. scottwichall
  • Score: 11

10:02am Mon 11 Aug 14

Alan Bast*rd says...

scottwichall wrote:
Alan Bast*rd wrote:
Its not as if schools don't get enough holidays is it? They must get about 12 weeks a year without the need to take them off on holiday during term time.
Holiday companies whacking their prices up is not the fault of the education system.
Actually it is the fault of the education system, as all of the schools are on holiday across the whole country at the same time, which causes a massive increase in demand, and hence prices.
What would factories etc do if different schools had different holidays as they currently have shut downs that fit in around school holidays?
The current school holiday system is fine. If pricing is unfair during these times then the government should do something about it.
[quote][p][bold]scottwichall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan Bast*rd[/bold] wrote: Its not as if schools don't get enough holidays is it? They must get about 12 weeks a year without the need to take them off on holiday during term time. Holiday companies whacking their prices up is not the fault of the education system.[/p][/quote]Actually it is the fault of the education system, as all of the schools are on holiday across the whole country at the same time, which causes a massive increase in demand, and hence prices.[/p][/quote]What would factories etc do if different schools had different holidays as they currently have shut downs that fit in around school holidays? The current school holiday system is fine. If pricing is unfair during these times then the government should do something about it. Alan Bast*rd
  • Score: -1

10:03am Mon 11 Aug 14

Kay B Highworth says...

oddbob wrote:
I've already accepted that it's unlikely I'll be able to take my child on holiday for about 10-12 years once they are old enough as I'm unlikely to be able to afford it. I do hope we'll be able to get the odd night away in Youth Hostels if their prices stay reasonable.

I don't agree with the comments about teachers can only take holiday time off and we wouldn't like it if they went off in term time as when they take the job they know this. In my opinion this would be like taking a night shift job and complaining then you don't get to work days.
By the same token, when people have children, they know that school rules state that children shouldn't be taken out of school during term time. It's all part of the deal.
[quote][p][bold]oddbob[/bold] wrote: I've already accepted that it's unlikely I'll be able to take my child on holiday for about 10-12 years once they are old enough as I'm unlikely to be able to afford it. I do hope we'll be able to get the odd night away in Youth Hostels if their prices stay reasonable. I don't agree with the comments about teachers can only take holiday time off and we wouldn't like it if they went off in term time as when they take the job they know this. In my opinion this would be like taking a night shift job and complaining then you don't get to work days.[/p][/quote]By the same token, when people have children, they know that school rules state that children shouldn't be taken out of school during term time. It's all part of the deal. Kay B Highworth
  • Score: 28

10:10am Mon 11 Aug 14

Kay B Highworth says...

There are many people who go on holiday during school term times specifically because they don't want to share their limited time off work with other people's children.
There are many people who go on holiday during school term times specifically because they don't want to share their limited time off work with other people's children. Kay B Highworth
  • Score: 30

10:15am Mon 11 Aug 14

SwindonRules08 says...

Calum and Chantelle dont need to learn this week, were off to benidorm cos its well cheap and its only school innit.
Calum and Chantelle dont need to learn this week, were off to benidorm cos its well cheap and its only school innit. SwindonRules08
  • Score: 26

10:15am Mon 11 Aug 14

catman says...

Our local school has clubbed the teacher training days together to allow parents the chance to book a pre holiday break.
I never went on holidays, and many of my friends growing up in the 70's didn't either.
A day at the beach, a day at the zoo, it hasn't harmed a whole generation.
My older daughter can't remember much about the holidays we have had,!
There are plenty of weekend breaks available.
As a parent of 3 girls I don't feel sympathetic about term time holidays.
Our local school has clubbed the teacher training days together to allow parents the chance to book a pre holiday break. I never went on holidays, and many of my friends growing up in the 70's didn't either. A day at the beach, a day at the zoo, it hasn't harmed a whole generation. My older daughter can't remember much about the holidays we have had,! There are plenty of weekend breaks available. As a parent of 3 girls I don't feel sympathetic about term time holidays. catman
  • Score: 14

10:41am Mon 11 Aug 14

GrumpyLocal says...

There is also the concept that the holiday companies reduce the prices when the is less demand rather than increase them when there is?
Lower prices will entice people that otherwise may not use the hotels during the quieter periods.
The same issues arise in most day-to-day situations such as travel with off-peak lower pricing or discounts in the early evening at bars or restaurants when there is less demand for the products.
Do these same people demand they leave early from work to benefit from the discounted deals at these restaurants or so they can use off-peak travel fares?
There is also the concept that the holiday companies reduce the prices when the is less demand rather than increase them when there is? Lower prices will entice people that otherwise may not use the hotels during the quieter periods. The same issues arise in most day-to-day situations such as travel with off-peak lower pricing or discounts in the early evening at bars or restaurants when there is less demand for the products. Do these same people demand they leave early from work to benefit from the discounted deals at these restaurants or so they can use off-peak travel fares? GrumpyLocal
  • Score: 11

11:23am Mon 11 Aug 14

Robh says...

The problem with many schools is that they don't offer 100% education. With supply teachers and TA's taking classes so why do the government get on their high horse.
The problem with many schools is that they don't offer 100% education. With supply teachers and TA's taking classes so why do the government get on their high horse. Robh
  • Score: -5

11:42am Mon 11 Aug 14

DiDiDI says...

I don't want people able to take their kids out of school for holidays in term time... I want the price to be more or less the same all year round. This will enable the people with kids to go in the proper school holiday time and those of us who wish to holiday without the presence of children to do so at other times.
I don't want people able to take their kids out of school for holidays in term time... I want the price to be more or less the same all year round. This will enable the people with kids to go in the proper school holiday time and those of us who wish to holiday without the presence of children to do so at other times. DiDiDI
  • Score: 7

11:43am Mon 11 Aug 14

messyits says...

house on the hill wrote:
I don't think you can accuse holiday companies of being greedy, business is about supply and demand, its no different to the rise in prices for flowers around valentines or mothers day, its how all businesses operate. And this has been going on for years, it's nothing new.

there are lots of issues around this but for me it is the fact that parents are hardly setting a good example to their kids by just ignoring the rules and regulations and thinking they are wrong is no excuse, but expecting their kids to behave when they tell them to and grow up to respect the rules. Good old double standards Britain!
You are an habitual whinger.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: I don't think you can accuse holiday companies of being greedy, business is about supply and demand, its no different to the rise in prices for flowers around valentines or mothers day, its how all businesses operate. And this has been going on for years, it's nothing new. there are lots of issues around this but for me it is the fact that parents are hardly setting a good example to their kids by just ignoring the rules and regulations and thinking they are wrong is no excuse, but expecting their kids to behave when they tell them to and grow up to respect the rules. Good old double standards Britain![/p][/quote]You are an habitual whinger. messyits
  • Score: -6

12:17pm Mon 11 Aug 14

adsinibiza says...

The one thing that has always bothered me about this is that it is the teachers that hand out the fines - given the track record of some with regard to striking and their left wing out of touch with reality politics this is rather concerning. Would rather see a magistrate handing out the fines if at all
The one thing that has always bothered me about this is that it is the teachers that hand out the fines - given the track record of some with regard to striking and their left wing out of touch with reality politics this is rather concerning. Would rather see a magistrate handing out the fines if at all adsinibiza
  • Score: -11

12:30pm Mon 11 Aug 14

El Bob says...

What bugs me about this is when some Government minister, at the moment it is Nick Gibb, comes out and says "Well the research says that if children spend any time away from school then this can damage their education and attainment." Yes Nick, research also says that S.A.T.s at 11 years old are now unfit for purpose and narrow the curriculum but you won't get rid of those will you? As usual, the Government just cherry picks the research it wants to use.

As if we need telling that if a child has long periods of absence from school this will affect their education. Attendance is not the issue here. Parents are hacked off because discretion has been taken away from head teachers (Thanks to Gove). For example, under the old system, if a parent of a child with poor attendance and below average attainment wanted to take their child out right in the middle of a term then the head could deny this and issue a fine if they ignored. However, if a parent of a child with good attendance and had good attainment wanted to take the last week of term off to take advantage of cheaper prices the head could sanction it. Under the new system though, both these scenarios are treated exactly the same. That is what parents are angry about,
not the issue of attendance in school.

I would advise parents who are taking a child out in the last week of term to demand the work their child will be doing that week be given to them - even down to the DVD the class will be watching during the last day of term. As if the only learning that ever happens for a child is confined to within the school gates...
What bugs me about this is when some Government minister, at the moment it is Nick Gibb, comes out and says "Well the research says that if children spend any time away from school then this can damage their education and attainment." Yes Nick, research also says that S.A.T.s at 11 years old are now unfit for purpose and narrow the curriculum but you won't get rid of those will you? As usual, the Government just cherry picks the research it wants to use. As if we need telling that if a child has long periods of absence from school this will affect their education. Attendance is not the issue here. Parents are hacked off because discretion has been taken away from head teachers (Thanks to Gove). For example, under the old system, if a parent of a child with poor attendance and below average attainment wanted to take their child out right in the middle of a term then the head could deny this and issue a fine if they ignored. However, if a parent of a child with good attendance and had good attainment wanted to take the last week of term off to take advantage of cheaper prices the head could sanction it. Under the new system though, both these scenarios are treated exactly the same. That is what parents are angry about, not the issue of attendance in school. I would advise parents who are taking a child out in the last week of term to demand the work their child will be doing that week be given to them - even down to the DVD the class will be watching during the last day of term. As if the only learning that ever happens for a child is confined to within the school gates... El Bob
  • Score: -1

12:34pm Mon 11 Aug 14

El Bob says...

adsinibiza wrote:
The one thing that has always bothered me about this is that it is the teachers that hand out the fines - given the track record of some with regard to striking and their left wing out of touch with reality politics this is rather concerning. Would rather see a magistrate handing out the fines if at all
You really think teachers hand out the fines? You really think, thanks to right wing obsessives like yourself, they have that much power anymore? No, teachers just do as they are told - sorry to disappoint you.
[quote][p][bold]adsinibiza[/bold] wrote: The one thing that has always bothered me about this is that it is the teachers that hand out the fines - given the track record of some with regard to striking and their left wing out of touch with reality politics this is rather concerning. Would rather see a magistrate handing out the fines if at all[/p][/quote]You really think teachers hand out the fines? You really think, thanks to right wing obsessives like yourself, they have that much power anymore? No, teachers just do as they are told - sorry to disappoint you. El Bob
  • Score: 2

1:01pm Mon 11 Aug 14

chrisward2011 says...

Unbelievable how some parents believe they have a God-given right to have 2 weeks in Tenerife every year! The line these type of parents always take is that 'it will be a great educational & cultural experience for them' .,...hmmm not sure sitting around a pool surrounded by a group of sunburnt lads from Manchester does that somehow.
Unbelievable how some parents believe they have a God-given right to have 2 weeks in Tenerife every year! The line these type of parents always take is that 'it will be a great educational & cultural experience for them' .,...hmmm not sure sitting around a pool surrounded by a group of sunburnt lads from Manchester does that somehow. chrisward2011
  • Score: 24

1:16pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Ferndalemummy says...

funny thing is, the government class children as "disadvantaged" if parents dont take them on holiday (the pupil premium grant) so it will give the schools more money..
95% attendance and above should be able to have a holiday!!
funny thing is, the government class children as "disadvantaged" if parents dont take them on holiday (the pupil premium grant) so it will give the schools more money.. 95% attendance and above should be able to have a holiday!! Ferndalemummy
  • Score: -1

1:17pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Hmmmf says...

benzss wrote:
I do not think that following rules and regulations per se ought to be considered a virtue.

Perhaps you weren't in school on the day that the definition of the word 'virtue' was taught and discussed.
[quote][p][bold]benzss[/bold] wrote: I do not think that following rules and regulations per se ought to be considered a virtue.[/quote] Perhaps you weren't in school on the day that the definition of the word 'virtue' was taught and discussed. Hmmmf
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1:33pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Eppster says...

All that's being whined about here is the COST - not a single thought of the practicalities. Have raised two children and had holidays without taking a single hour of term time. - even when back then there were no fines to incur - so really fail to see where the problem is?
OK - all our holidays involved UK destinations and beaches - but that was the budget we worked to and were happy.
I'm sorry - but if you insist on dragging your kids off to Spain or Disneyland then stop whining about how much it costs! We all would like things to be cheaper!
You know if you head off during term time you run the risk of being fined - so whose fault is it when that happens? YOURS!!!
Pay your money and take your choice - simples.
All that's being whined about here is the COST - not a single thought of the practicalities. Have raised two children and had holidays without taking a single hour of term time. - even when back then there were no fines to incur - so really fail to see where the problem is? OK - all our holidays involved UK destinations and beaches - but that was the budget we worked to and were happy. I'm sorry - but if you insist on dragging your kids off to Spain or Disneyland then stop whining about how much it costs! We all would like things to be cheaper! You know if you head off during term time you run the risk of being fined - so whose fault is it when that happens? YOURS!!! Pay your money and take your choice - simples. Eppster
  • Score: 20

1:35pm Mon 11 Aug 14

house on the hill says...

benzss wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
I don't think you can accuse holiday companies of being greedy, business is about supply and demand, its no different to the rise in prices for flowers around valentines or mothers day, its how all businesses operate. And this has been going on for years, it's nothing new.

there are lots of issues around this but for me it is the fact that parents are hardly setting a good example to their kids by just ignoring the rules and regulations and thinking they are wrong is no excuse, but expecting their kids to behave when they tell them to and grow up to respect the rules. Good old double standards Britain!
I do not think that following rules and regulations per se ought to be considered a virtue.
So you would be quite happy with a punch in the mouth from time to time then?
[quote][p][bold]benzss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: I don't think you can accuse holiday companies of being greedy, business is about supply and demand, its no different to the rise in prices for flowers around valentines or mothers day, its how all businesses operate. And this has been going on for years, it's nothing new. there are lots of issues around this but for me it is the fact that parents are hardly setting a good example to their kids by just ignoring the rules and regulations and thinking they are wrong is no excuse, but expecting their kids to behave when they tell them to and grow up to respect the rules. Good old double standards Britain![/p][/quote]I do not think that following rules and regulations per se ought to be considered a virtue.[/p][/quote]So you would be quite happy with a punch in the mouth from time to time then? house on the hill
  • Score: 0

1:36pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Groovycat says...

One school granted 2 of our children 4 days off....
The other school denied our daughter 4 days off(during sports week)
To visit my very ill father in Scotland...
And now we've been fined...
I shall not be paying said fine...and shall attend court..
One school granted 2 of our children 4 days off.... The other school denied our daughter 4 days off(during sports week) To visit my very ill father in Scotland... And now we've been fined... I shall not be paying said fine...and shall attend court.. Groovycat
  • Score: 5

1:46pm Mon 11 Aug 14

house on the hill says...

messyits wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
I don't think you can accuse holiday companies of being greedy, business is about supply and demand, its no different to the rise in prices for flowers around valentines or mothers day, its how all businesses operate. And this has been going on for years, it's nothing new.

there are lots of issues around this but for me it is the fact that parents are hardly setting a good example to their kids by just ignoring the rules and regulations and thinking they are wrong is no excuse, but expecting their kids to behave when they tell them to and grow up to respect the rules. Good old double standards Britain!
You are an habitual whinger.
Pointing out realities in life is not whinging. Whinging is winning £1million on the lottery and moaning that it isn't enough as you would probably do. But then why try and form an opinion on the topic when you can just just slag someone off like those of limited intelligence do (or resort to using their fists or something else equally moronic!) Grow up please.
[quote][p][bold]messyits[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: I don't think you can accuse holiday companies of being greedy, business is about supply and demand, its no different to the rise in prices for flowers around valentines or mothers day, its how all businesses operate. And this has been going on for years, it's nothing new. there are lots of issues around this but for me it is the fact that parents are hardly setting a good example to their kids by just ignoring the rules and regulations and thinking they are wrong is no excuse, but expecting their kids to behave when they tell them to and grow up to respect the rules. Good old double standards Britain![/p][/quote]You are an habitual whinger.[/p][/quote]Pointing out realities in life is not whinging. Whinging is winning £1million on the lottery and moaning that it isn't enough as you would probably do. But then why try and form an opinion on the topic when you can just just slag someone off like those of limited intelligence do (or resort to using their fists or something else equally moronic!) Grow up please. house on the hill
  • Score: 6

2:01pm Mon 11 Aug 14

house on the hill says...

Isthisthebestswindon cando wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
I don't think you can accuse holiday companies of being greedy, business is about supply and demand, its no different to the rise in prices for flowers around valentines or mothers day, its how all businesses operate. And this has been going on for years, it's nothing new.

there are lots of issues around this but for me it is the fact that parents are hardly setting a good example to their kids by just ignoring the rules and regulations and thinking they are wrong is no excuse, but expecting their kids to behave when they tell them to and grow up to respect the rules. Good old double standards Britain!
I agree in principle with your thoughts, in particular regarding setting an example to one's children. However I do believe there should be some degree of discretion involved where, for instance, parents are unable to take holiday coinciding with the school holidays (for example one could imagine the possibility of this happening to members of our armed forces).

My understanding is that the rules were introduced to curtail persistent offenders, and I wonder if statistically it has made a real difference in that area?
I totally agree with you that the current system needs amending and I am sure everyone would agree. My point was really around peoples ideas that if they disagree with something then its ok for them to bend or break the rules to suit them. What is the point in having rules if we just do whatever we think it should be anyway. Whether we agree with the rules or not, we need to uphold them or why bother having them. Yes they need changing but is ignoring them to suit yourself the right way to get them changed??
[quote][p][bold]Isthisthebestswindon cando[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: I don't think you can accuse holiday companies of being greedy, business is about supply and demand, its no different to the rise in prices for flowers around valentines or mothers day, its how all businesses operate. And this has been going on for years, it's nothing new. there are lots of issues around this but for me it is the fact that parents are hardly setting a good example to their kids by just ignoring the rules and regulations and thinking they are wrong is no excuse, but expecting their kids to behave when they tell them to and grow up to respect the rules. Good old double standards Britain![/p][/quote]I agree in principle with your thoughts, in particular regarding setting an example to one's children. However I do believe there should be some degree of discretion involved where, for instance, parents are unable to take holiday coinciding with the school holidays (for example one could imagine the possibility of this happening to members of our armed forces). My understanding is that the rules were introduced to curtail persistent offenders, and I wonder if statistically it has made a real difference in that area?[/p][/quote]I totally agree with you that the current system needs amending and I am sure everyone would agree. My point was really around peoples ideas that if they disagree with something then its ok for them to bend or break the rules to suit them. What is the point in having rules if we just do whatever we think it should be anyway. Whether we agree with the rules or not, we need to uphold them or why bother having them. Yes they need changing but is ignoring them to suit yourself the right way to get them changed?? house on the hill
  • Score: 6

3:33pm Mon 11 Aug 14

benzss says...

house on the hill wrote:
benzss wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
I don't think you can accuse holiday companies of being greedy, business is about supply and demand, its no different to the rise in prices for flowers around valentines or mothers day, its how all businesses operate. And this has been going on for years, it's nothing new.

there are lots of issues around this but for me it is the fact that parents are hardly setting a good example to their kids by just ignoring the rules and regulations and thinking they are wrong is no excuse, but expecting their kids to behave when they tell them to and grow up to respect the rules. Good old double standards Britain!
I do not think that following rules and regulations per se ought to be considered a virtue.
So you would be quite happy with a punch in the mouth from time to time then?
Ah, I see we've reached the limit of your critical thinking abilities.

Allow me to explain.

What I said was that "following rules and regulations" oughtn't be considered a virtue *in itself*. Perhaps it is better - and I'm just throwing this out there - if people understood the reasoning behind said rules and regulations and perhaps pondered on their efficacy, fairness or relevance, instead of merely adhering.

Let me know if you need this written in crayon.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]benzss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: I don't think you can accuse holiday companies of being greedy, business is about supply and demand, its no different to the rise in prices for flowers around valentines or mothers day, its how all businesses operate. And this has been going on for years, it's nothing new. there are lots of issues around this but for me it is the fact that parents are hardly setting a good example to their kids by just ignoring the rules and regulations and thinking they are wrong is no excuse, but expecting their kids to behave when they tell them to and grow up to respect the rules. Good old double standards Britain![/p][/quote]I do not think that following rules and regulations per se ought to be considered a virtue.[/p][/quote]So you would be quite happy with a punch in the mouth from time to time then?[/p][/quote]Ah, I see we've reached the limit of your critical thinking abilities. Allow me to explain. What I said was that "following rules and regulations" oughtn't be considered a virtue *in itself*. Perhaps it is better - and I'm just throwing this out there - if people understood the reasoning behind said rules and regulations and perhaps pondered on their efficacy, fairness or relevance, instead of merely adhering. Let me know if you need this written in crayon. benzss
  • Score: -4

3:34pm Mon 11 Aug 14

BCDR99 says...

I think the thing that sticks in a lot of parents' throats is that schools are not using the 39 weeks fully when they do have the children. How many times do the kids come home from school nearing the end of term and say they've watched the latest Disney DVD or they had extended playtime (extended to the point where it is the whole afternoon, for example)?

So, when fines are brought in on the back of "It is disruptive to education to take kids out of school and they miss SO much if they're out for even a few days" yet the kids aren't actually learning for the full time they're there, it is going to annoy people.
I think the thing that sticks in a lot of parents' throats is that schools are not using the 39 weeks fully when they do have the children. How many times do the kids come home from school nearing the end of term and say they've watched the latest Disney DVD or they had extended playtime (extended to the point where it is the whole afternoon, for example)? So, when fines are brought in on the back of "It is disruptive to education to take kids out of school and they miss SO much if they're out for even a few days" yet the kids aren't actually learning for the full time they're there, it is going to annoy people. BCDR99
  • Score: -1

4:26pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Isthisthebestswindon cando says...

house on the hill wrote:
Isthisthebestswindon cando wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
I don't think you can accuse holiday companies of being greedy, business is about supply and demand, its no different to the rise in prices for flowers around valentines or mothers day, its how all businesses operate. And this has been going on for years, it's nothing new.

there are lots of issues around this but for me it is the fact that parents are hardly setting a good example to their kids by just ignoring the rules and regulations and thinking they are wrong is no excuse, but expecting their kids to behave when they tell them to and grow up to respect the rules. Good old double standards Britain!
I agree in principle with your thoughts, in particular regarding setting an example to one's children. However I do believe there should be some degree of discretion involved where, for instance, parents are unable to take holiday coinciding with the school holidays (for example one could imagine the possibility of this happening to members of our armed forces).

My understanding is that the rules were introduced to curtail persistent offenders, and I wonder if statistically it has made a real difference in that area?
I totally agree with you that the current system needs amending and I am sure everyone would agree. My point was really around peoples ideas that if they disagree with something then its ok for them to bend or break the rules to suit them. What is the point in having rules if we just do whatever we think it should be anyway. Whether we agree with the rules or not, we need to uphold them or why bother having them. Yes they need changing but is ignoring them to suit yourself the right way to get them changed??
I think in the case of school holidays, it should be less that of being a rule and more that of being guidance, with discretion being in the hands of the head teachers.

I understand that when the fines were originally introduced it was as a discretionary measure, however that power was removed from head teachers by Mr Gove and then became a matter of compulsion. Presumably Mr Gove took this action as guidance and discretion alone was not resolving the issue.

In a situation where one is bound by rules, to transgress them becomes an issue, although in this case I rather feel not a huge issue. Some parents will habitually take their children out of school during term time, but the majority, myself included specifically choose not to, valuing their childrens' education highly enough to ensure that it is not jeopardised lightly.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Isthisthebestswindon cando[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: I don't think you can accuse holiday companies of being greedy, business is about supply and demand, its no different to the rise in prices for flowers around valentines or mothers day, its how all businesses operate. And this has been going on for years, it's nothing new. there are lots of issues around this but for me it is the fact that parents are hardly setting a good example to their kids by just ignoring the rules and regulations and thinking they are wrong is no excuse, but expecting their kids to behave when they tell them to and grow up to respect the rules. Good old double standards Britain![/p][/quote]I agree in principle with your thoughts, in particular regarding setting an example to one's children. However I do believe there should be some degree of discretion involved where, for instance, parents are unable to take holiday coinciding with the school holidays (for example one could imagine the possibility of this happening to members of our armed forces). My understanding is that the rules were introduced to curtail persistent offenders, and I wonder if statistically it has made a real difference in that area?[/p][/quote]I totally agree with you that the current system needs amending and I am sure everyone would agree. My point was really around peoples ideas that if they disagree with something then its ok for them to bend or break the rules to suit them. What is the point in having rules if we just do whatever we think it should be anyway. Whether we agree with the rules or not, we need to uphold them or why bother having them. Yes they need changing but is ignoring them to suit yourself the right way to get them changed??[/p][/quote]I think in the case of school holidays, it should be less that of being a rule and more that of being guidance, with discretion being in the hands of the head teachers. I understand that when the fines were originally introduced it was as a discretionary measure, however that power was removed from head teachers by Mr Gove and then became a matter of compulsion. Presumably Mr Gove took this action as guidance and discretion alone was not resolving the issue. In a situation where one is bound by rules, to transgress them becomes an issue, although in this case I rather feel not a huge issue. Some parents will habitually take their children out of school during term time, but the majority, myself included specifically choose not to, valuing their childrens' education highly enough to ensure that it is not jeopardised lightly. Isthisthebestswindon cando
  • Score: 0

4:31pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Ferndalemummy says...

Groovycat wrote:
One school granted 2 of our children 4 days off....
The other school denied our daughter 4 days off(during sports week)
To visit my very ill father in Scotland...
And now we've been fined...
I shall not be paying said fine...and shall attend court..
you will need to pay it then appeal. i did and am getting refund
[quote][p][bold]Groovycat[/bold] wrote: One school granted 2 of our children 4 days off.... The other school denied our daughter 4 days off(during sports week) To visit my very ill father in Scotland... And now we've been fined... I shall not be paying said fine...and shall attend court..[/p][/quote]you will need to pay it then appeal. i did and am getting refund Ferndalemummy
  • Score: -1

4:32pm Mon 11 Aug 14

messyits says...

house on the hill wrote:
messyits wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
I don't think you can accuse holiday companies of being greedy, business is about supply and demand, its no different to the rise in prices for flowers around valentines or mothers day, its how all businesses operate. And this has been going on for years, it's nothing new.

there are lots of issues around this but for me it is the fact that parents are hardly setting a good example to their kids by just ignoring the rules and regulations and thinking they are wrong is no excuse, but expecting their kids to behave when they tell them to and grow up to respect the rules. Good old double standards Britain!
You are an habitual whinger.
Pointing out realities in life is not whinging. Whinging is winning £1million on the lottery and moaning that it isn't enough as you would probably do. But then why try and form an opinion on the topic when you can just just slag someone off like those of limited intelligence do (or resort to using their fists or something else equally moronic!) Grow up please.
Unfortunately your logic lacks thought and consideration for families on tight budgets.
Easily solved and fair to consider that as teachers are permitted to holiday prior when costs are less--after all the kids lose teachers so why not make up classes with teachers and students that want early holidays and use a the last week of the holiday to complete their study--after all the teacher has already been paid for their holiday.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]messyits[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: I don't think you can accuse holiday companies of being greedy, business is about supply and demand, its no different to the rise in prices for flowers around valentines or mothers day, its how all businesses operate. And this has been going on for years, it's nothing new. there are lots of issues around this but for me it is the fact that parents are hardly setting a good example to their kids by just ignoring the rules and regulations and thinking they are wrong is no excuse, but expecting their kids to behave when they tell them to and grow up to respect the rules. Good old double standards Britain![/p][/quote]You are an habitual whinger.[/p][/quote]Pointing out realities in life is not whinging. Whinging is winning £1million on the lottery and moaning that it isn't enough as you would probably do. But then why try and form an opinion on the topic when you can just just slag someone off like those of limited intelligence do (or resort to using their fists or something else equally moronic!) Grow up please.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately your logic lacks thought and consideration for families on tight budgets. Easily solved and fair to consider that as teachers are permitted to holiday prior when costs are less--after all the kids lose teachers so why not make up classes with teachers and students that want early holidays and use a the last week of the holiday to complete their study--after all the teacher has already been paid for their holiday. messyits
  • Score: -5

4:47pm Mon 11 Aug 14

oddbob says...

Kay B Highworth wrote:
oddbob wrote:
I've already accepted that it's unlikely I'll be able to take my child on holiday for about 10-12 years once they are old enough as I'm unlikely to be able to afford it. I do hope we'll be able to get the odd night away in Youth Hostels if their prices stay reasonable.

I don't agree with the comments about teachers can only take holiday time off and we wouldn't like it if they went off in term time as when they take the job they know this. In my opinion this would be like taking a night shift job and complaining then you don't get to work days.
By the same token, when people have children, they know that school rules state that children shouldn't be taken out of school during term time. It's all part of the deal.
I agree Kay. If I can afford to take my child on holiday it will be in holiday time.
[quote][p][bold]Kay B Highworth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oddbob[/bold] wrote: I've already accepted that it's unlikely I'll be able to take my child on holiday for about 10-12 years once they are old enough as I'm unlikely to be able to afford it. I do hope we'll be able to get the odd night away in Youth Hostels if their prices stay reasonable. I don't agree with the comments about teachers can only take holiday time off and we wouldn't like it if they went off in term time as when they take the job they know this. In my opinion this would be like taking a night shift job and complaining then you don't get to work days.[/p][/quote]By the same token, when people have children, they know that school rules state that children shouldn't be taken out of school during term time. It's all part of the deal.[/p][/quote]I agree Kay. If I can afford to take my child on holiday it will be in holiday time. oddbob
  • Score: 6

4:50pm Mon 11 Aug 14

oddbob says...

chrisward2011 wrote:
Unbelievable how some parents believe they have a God-given right to have 2 weeks in Tenerife every year! The line these type of parents always take is that 'it will be a great educational & cultural experience for them' .,...hmmm not sure sitting around a pool surrounded by a group of sunburnt lads from Manchester does that somehow.
I wonder why the assumption is that all holidays are taken abroad...?
[quote][p][bold]chrisward2011[/bold] wrote: Unbelievable how some parents believe they have a God-given right to have 2 weeks in Tenerife every year! The line these type of parents always take is that 'it will be a great educational & cultural experience for them' .,...hmmm not sure sitting around a pool surrounded by a group of sunburnt lads from Manchester does that somehow.[/p][/quote]I wonder why the assumption is that all holidays are taken abroad...? oddbob
  • Score: 5

5:08pm Mon 11 Aug 14

montgomery burns says...

Each child should be able to go on holiday , also we dont all just go to english bars , i have learned spanish and my kids are learning it , each situation is different And we went in holiday time but its hard for us to afford And people on less money Will not be able to go, not every situation is the same And stop steriotyping everyone
Each child should be able to go on holiday , also we dont all just go to english bars , i have learned spanish and my kids are learning it , each situation is different And we went in holiday time but its hard for us to afford And people on less money Will not be able to go, not every situation is the same And stop steriotyping everyone montgomery burns
  • Score: 1

5:32pm Mon 11 Aug 14

showboatmachine1508 says...

you can have an argument from both sides of the table but I will continue to take my kids out during term time to go on holiday. Like a lot of parents I work extremely hard (as do the kids at school) and dont get to spend as much time with my family as I would like so when I do I want to have new experiences with them and build memories we can share that doesnt involve going to kids about or swimming at the oasis. Time is precious and the happiness of myself and my family comes first, a week out of school for a holiday is not going to stop my kids from being successful in life and that is an absolute fact. Plus if they dropped the school plays they do for christmas they would get an extra 2 weeks of learning anyway, as much as I love my kids those things are terrible and definatley a waste of time.
you can have an argument from both sides of the table but I will continue to take my kids out during term time to go on holiday. Like a lot of parents I work extremely hard (as do the kids at school) and dont get to spend as much time with my family as I would like so when I do I want to have new experiences with them and build memories we can share that doesnt involve going to kids about or swimming at the oasis. Time is precious and the happiness of myself and my family comes first, a week out of school for a holiday is not going to stop my kids from being successful in life and that is an absolute fact. Plus if they dropped the school plays they do for christmas they would get an extra 2 weeks of learning anyway, as much as I love my kids those things are terrible and definatley a waste of time. showboatmachine1508
  • Score: -5

5:32pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Alan Bast*rd says...

There are ways of going on cheap holidays during the allocated holidays already. It isn't difficult at all so that excuse doesn't wash.
There are ways of going on cheap holidays during the allocated holidays already. It isn't difficult at all so that excuse doesn't wash. Alan Bast*rd
  • Score: 1

5:50pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Constant81 says...

If you want to take your kid on holiday during term time, try home schooling instead.
Or actually blaming the government instead of the schools or the teachers.
And maybe consider a little bit that these teachers already have enough to do and multiple targets to hit without having to go over work twice to make sure your kid actually does know it.
It's nothing to do with 'right to parent' you sign up to school, you know the rules, if you don't like them, don't go.
If you want to take your kid on holiday during term time, try home schooling instead. Or actually blaming the government instead of the schools or the teachers. And maybe consider a little bit that these teachers already have enough to do and multiple targets to hit without having to go over work twice to make sure your kid actually does know it. It's nothing to do with 'right to parent' you sign up to school, you know the rules, if you don't like them, don't go. Constant81
  • Score: 3

6:04pm Mon 11 Aug 14

trustnopolitician says...

Does this apply to Eton ? - once again the posh boys set policy which doesn't affect them but disappoints a vast number of pupils . Education is important but will the next fines be for not allowing sick children to be absent?
Does this apply to Eton ? - once again the posh boys set policy which doesn't affect them but disappoints a vast number of pupils . Education is important but will the next fines be for not allowing sick children to be absent? trustnopolitician
  • Score: 0

6:45pm Mon 11 Aug 14

faatmaan says...

many parents of foreign origination take extended holidays at whim , they seem to escape the fines and punishments the rest of us suffer from, yet on these breaks their children could be married off and not return, female girls could suffer mutilation as part of their upbringing, the list is endless, but one thing to be said is travel broadens adult yet alone childrens education, not everything in life is in text books, experiencing foreign customs and general ways of life will only improve a well rounded education. If a child is off school for one of the many viruses that do the rounds, they have to catch up, the same has always applied to those who take holidays in term time, but how many of you can remember the amount of days at the end of many terms when all the kids do is attend and watch videos etc.( also why is it okay for the school to organise a weeks skiing trip in term time ?)
many parents of foreign origination take extended holidays at whim , they seem to escape the fines and punishments the rest of us suffer from, yet on these breaks their children could be married off and not return, female girls could suffer mutilation as part of their upbringing, the list is endless, but one thing to be said is travel broadens adult yet alone childrens education, not everything in life is in text books, experiencing foreign customs and general ways of life will only improve a well rounded education. If a child is off school for one of the many viruses that do the rounds, they have to catch up, the same has always applied to those who take holidays in term time, but how many of you can remember the amount of days at the end of many terms when all the kids do is attend and watch videos etc.( also why is it okay for the school to organise a weeks skiing trip in term time ?) faatmaan
  • Score: -6

7:12pm Mon 11 Aug 14

house on the hill says...

messyits wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
messyits wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
I don't think you can accuse holiday companies of being greedy, business is about supply and demand, its no different to the rise in prices for flowers around valentines or mothers day, its how all businesses operate. And this has been going on for years, it's nothing new.

there are lots of issues around this but for me it is the fact that parents are hardly setting a good example to their kids by just ignoring the rules and regulations and thinking they are wrong is no excuse, but expecting their kids to behave when they tell them to and grow up to respect the rules. Good old double standards Britain!
You are an habitual whinger.
Pointing out realities in life is not whinging. Whinging is winning £1million on the lottery and moaning that it isn't enough as you would probably do. But then why try and form an opinion on the topic when you can just just slag someone off like those of limited intelligence do (or resort to using their fists or something else equally moronic!) Grow up please.
Unfortunately your logic lacks thought and consideration for families on tight budgets.
Easily solved and fair to consider that as teachers are permitted to holiday prior when costs are less--after all the kids lose teachers so why not make up classes with teachers and students that want early holidays and use a the last week of the holiday to complete their study--after all the teacher has already been paid for their holiday.
You really need to learn to read what people actually write rather than imposing your narrow views. I did not comment on whether the policies were right or wrong, just that we cant just pick and choose which rules we like, or what's the point in having them. And how can you expect your kids to learn respect and how to behave when parents just stick 2 fingers up at rules and regulations themselves. There are loads of laws and rules that need looking at and sorting out, but just ignoring them and doing what the heck we want is not the way to go and where does that end? who decides how far you go or not? I am sure if others chose to ignore rules that adversely affected you then you would be the first to jump up and down, so how come its ok for you and not for them?

As I said double standards are the scourge of this country. One of the few intelligent things I ever heard a politician said was "everyone knows their rights but not no one know their responsibilities" taking kids out of school who know exactly what you are doing is not much of a role model, that is the point I am making. We all agree this holiday issue needs reviewing, but just breaking them is not the way to do it.
[quote][p][bold]messyits[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]messyits[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: I don't think you can accuse holiday companies of being greedy, business is about supply and demand, its no different to the rise in prices for flowers around valentines or mothers day, its how all businesses operate. And this has been going on for years, it's nothing new. there are lots of issues around this but for me it is the fact that parents are hardly setting a good example to their kids by just ignoring the rules and regulations and thinking they are wrong is no excuse, but expecting their kids to behave when they tell them to and grow up to respect the rules. Good old double standards Britain![/p][/quote]You are an habitual whinger.[/p][/quote]Pointing out realities in life is not whinging. Whinging is winning £1million on the lottery and moaning that it isn't enough as you would probably do. But then why try and form an opinion on the topic when you can just just slag someone off like those of limited intelligence do (or resort to using their fists or something else equally moronic!) Grow up please.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately your logic lacks thought and consideration for families on tight budgets. Easily solved and fair to consider that as teachers are permitted to holiday prior when costs are less--after all the kids lose teachers so why not make up classes with teachers and students that want early holidays and use a the last week of the holiday to complete their study--after all the teacher has already been paid for their holiday.[/p][/quote]You really need to learn to read what people actually write rather than imposing your narrow views. I did not comment on whether the policies were right or wrong, just that we cant just pick and choose which rules we like, or what's the point in having them. And how can you expect your kids to learn respect and how to behave when parents just stick 2 fingers up at rules and regulations themselves. There are loads of laws and rules that need looking at and sorting out, but just ignoring them and doing what the heck we want is not the way to go and where does that end? who decides how far you go or not? I am sure if others chose to ignore rules that adversely affected you then you would be the first to jump up and down, so how come its ok for you and not for them? As I said double standards are the scourge of this country. One of the few intelligent things I ever heard a politician said was "everyone knows their rights but not no one know their responsibilities" taking kids out of school who know exactly what you are doing is not much of a role model, that is the point I am making. We all agree this holiday issue needs reviewing, but just breaking them is not the way to do it. house on the hill
  • Score: 2

9:28pm Mon 11 Aug 14

pallelli@hotmail.com says...

All the important learning in school is done through repetition. Missing a week simply means one less repeat of the same old stuff. Your child will still be able to read, write & do the same arithmetic as their classmates after skipping a week. True, they may miss the geography lesson on the Upper Volta dam and so fail on some future pub quiz about the largest man-made lake in the world, by surface area, but I doubt that that will have any impact on their lives. I always had holidays in term time when I was a kid and yet still managed to leave school with decent grades, and even after 30 years I can still remember that 6 times 9 is 42.
All the important learning in school is done through repetition. Missing a week simply means one less repeat of the same old stuff. Your child will still be able to read, write & do the same arithmetic as their classmates after skipping a week. True, they may miss the geography lesson on the Upper Volta dam and so fail on some future pub quiz about the largest man-made lake in the world, by surface area, but I doubt that that will have any impact on their lives. I always had holidays in term time when I was a kid and yet still managed to leave school with decent grades, and even after 30 years I can still remember that 6 times 9 is 42. pallelli@hotmail.com
  • Score: 0

9:34pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Sir Haydon of the Wick says...

montgomery burns wrote:
I payed an extra 1000 pounds to go to the canaries in holiday time, to be honest talking the fine would have been a lot cheaper than paying the extra that the greedy holiday company charge , the price raise is directly aimed at parents trying to take there kids away for a holiday And it is not fair, some kids simply Will not be able to go. Next time i Will take them out of school And take the fine, why pay over the odds for the exact same holiday
Your own contribution here is a perfect example of why children should not be taken out of school. The sole provision for teaching correct punctuation, grammar, spelling and homophones apparently only rests with the Tee churs in skool...
[quote][p][bold]montgomery burns[/bold] wrote: I payed an extra 1000 pounds to go to the canaries in holiday time, to be honest talking the fine would have been a lot cheaper than paying the extra that the greedy holiday company charge , the price raise is directly aimed at parents trying to take there kids away for a holiday And it is not fair, some kids simply Will not be able to go. Next time i Will take them out of school And take the fine, why pay over the odds for the exact same holiday[/p][/quote]Your own contribution here is a perfect example of why children should not be taken out of school. The sole provision for teaching correct punctuation, grammar, spelling and homophones apparently only rests with the Tee churs in skool... Sir Haydon of the Wick
  • Score: 2

9:52pm Mon 11 Aug 14

batch says...

Wow, so taking your children out of school for a week at the end of a term contributes to children not obeying rules in later life.

Or it contributes to their poor education.

Or puts them at risk of a visit from an internet forum grammar Nazi in later life.

Then let us pray for an absence of snow days, sick teachers and ongoing industrial action as well.
Wow, so taking your children out of school for a week at the end of a term contributes to children not obeying rules in later life. Or it contributes to their poor education. Or puts them at risk of a visit from an internet forum grammar Nazi in later life. Then let us pray for an absence of snow days, sick teachers and ongoing industrial action as well. batch
  • Score: 0

9:56pm Mon 11 Aug 14

SAM2WIN says...

DiDiDI wrote:
I don't want people able to take their kids out of school for holidays in term time... I want the price to be more or less the same all year round. This will enable the people with kids to go in the proper school holiday time and those of us who wish to holiday without the presence of children to do so at other times.
Do you really believe that holiday companies will reduce peak rates ?

It's far more likely that they will increase off peak rates to match current school holiday prices.
[quote][p][bold]DiDiDI[/bold] wrote: I don't want people able to take their kids out of school for holidays in term time... I want the price to be more or less the same all year round. This will enable the people with kids to go in the proper school holiday time and those of us who wish to holiday without the presence of children to do so at other times.[/p][/quote]Do you really believe that holiday companies will reduce peak rates ? It's far more likely that they will increase off peak rates to match current school holiday prices. SAM2WIN
  • Score: 2

10:16pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Kay B Highworth says...

pallelli@hotmail.com wrote:
All the important learning in school is done through repetition. Missing a week simply means one less repeat of the same old stuff. Your child will still be able to read, write & do the same arithmetic as their classmates after skipping a week. True, they may miss the geography lesson on the Upper Volta dam and so fail on some future pub quiz about the largest man-made lake in the world, by surface area, but I doubt that that will have any impact on their lives. I always had holidays in term time when I was a kid and yet still managed to leave school with decent grades, and even after 30 years I can still remember that 6 times 9 is 42.
I hope you're being ironic!
[quote][p][bold]pallelli@hotmail.com[/bold] wrote: All the important learning in school is done through repetition. Missing a week simply means one less repeat of the same old stuff. Your child will still be able to read, write & do the same arithmetic as their classmates after skipping a week. True, they may miss the geography lesson on the Upper Volta dam and so fail on some future pub quiz about the largest man-made lake in the world, by surface area, but I doubt that that will have any impact on their lives. I always had holidays in term time when I was a kid and yet still managed to leave school with decent grades, and even after 30 years I can still remember that 6 times 9 is 42.[/p][/quote]I hope you're being ironic! Kay B Highworth
  • Score: 0

10:58pm Mon 11 Aug 14

pallelli@hotmail.com says...

Kay B Highworth wrote:
pallelli@hotmail.com wrote:
All the important learning in school is done through repetition. Missing a week simply means one less repeat of the same old stuff. Your child will still be able to read, write & do the same arithmetic as their classmates after skipping a week. True, they may miss the geography lesson on the Upper Volta dam and so fail on some future pub quiz about the largest man-made lake in the world, by surface area, but I doubt that that will have any impact on their lives. I always had holidays in term time when I was a kid and yet still managed to leave school with decent grades, and even after 30 years I can still remember that 6 times 9 is 42.
I hope you're being ironic!
Nope, in base 13, 6 x 9 in is 42 - and if you don't understand that, maybe you had too many holidays in term time.
[quote][p][bold]Kay B Highworth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pallelli@hotmail.com[/bold] wrote: All the important learning in school is done through repetition. Missing a week simply means one less repeat of the same old stuff. Your child will still be able to read, write & do the same arithmetic as their classmates after skipping a week. True, they may miss the geography lesson on the Upper Volta dam and so fail on some future pub quiz about the largest man-made lake in the world, by surface area, but I doubt that that will have any impact on their lives. I always had holidays in term time when I was a kid and yet still managed to leave school with decent grades, and even after 30 years I can still remember that 6 times 9 is 42.[/p][/quote]I hope you're being ironic![/p][/quote]Nope, in base 13, 6 x 9 in is 42 - and if you don't understand that, maybe you had too many holidays in term time. pallelli@hotmail.com
  • Score: 3

11:23pm Mon 11 Aug 14

timt1964 says...

holidays have always been more expensive in the holidays,why the sudden rise in whinging parents? its because a lot of the parents nowadays think because they have kids its their divine right to get everything on a plate and not work for it or pay for it like everyone else.i work but cant afford holidays like a lot of these people,their wealth is thanks to the tax credits and other handouts they get that the people without kids contribute towards.some people want kids but for various reasons cant so it must be galling for them to hear this same argument year in year out.a lot of parents i know do go on holidays in the holidays but do not feel the need to go to the adver every year to drag up the same story.my advice is if you dont want to be fined then adhere to the rules and plan ahead,book early you may get discounts etc or you can stop moaning and make do like the rest of us do.dont even get me started on parent/child parking spaces!!
holidays have always been more expensive in the holidays,why the sudden rise in whinging parents? its because a lot of the parents nowadays think because they have kids its their divine right to get everything on a plate and not work for it or pay for it like everyone else.i work but cant afford holidays like a lot of these people,their wealth is thanks to the tax credits and other handouts they get that the people without kids contribute towards.some people want kids but for various reasons cant so it must be galling for them to hear this same argument year in year out.a lot of parents i know do go on holidays in the holidays but do not feel the need to go to the adver every year to drag up the same story.my advice is if you dont want to be fined then adhere to the rules and plan ahead,book early you may get discounts etc or you can stop moaning and make do like the rest of us do.dont even get me started on parent/child parking spaces!! timt1964
  • Score: 1

7:21am Tue 12 Aug 14

206133 says...

I flew back from holiday on my own when I was 13 to get back to school on time. That in itself was a learning experience, possibly more so than the holiday itself, and that wasn't a lounging around on the beach holiday either (Iceland).

That said, I did used to get holiday during term time when I was in primary school asy parents ran a pub, very dependant on the holiday trades, and they couldn't afford not to be at work, not the prices that the holiday companies charged. The school was in agreement, it was primary school, I don't think I missed much except colouring in.
I flew back from holiday on my own when I was 13 to get back to school on time. That in itself was a learning experience, possibly more so than the holiday itself, and that wasn't a lounging around on the beach holiday either (Iceland). That said, I did used to get holiday during term time when I was in primary school asy parents ran a pub, very dependant on the holiday trades, and they couldn't afford not to be at work, not the prices that the holiday companies charged. The school was in agreement, it was primary school, I don't think I missed much except colouring in. 206133
  • Score: 0

9:00am Tue 12 Aug 14

messyits says...

house on the hill wrote:
messyits wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
messyits wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
I don't think you can accuse holiday companies of being greedy, business is about supply and demand, its no different to the rise in prices for flowers around valentines or mothers day, its how all businesses operate. And this has been going on for years, it's nothing new.

there are lots of issues around this but for me it is the fact that parents are hardly setting a good example to their kids by just ignoring the rules and regulations and thinking they are wrong is no excuse, but expecting their kids to behave when they tell them to and grow up to respect the rules. Good old double standards Britain!
You are an habitual whinger.
Pointing out realities in life is not whinging. Whinging is winning £1million on the lottery and moaning that it isn't enough as you would probably do. But then why try and form an opinion on the topic when you can just just slag someone off like those of limited intelligence do (or resort to using their fists or something else equally moronic!) Grow up please.
Unfortunately your logic lacks thought and consideration for families on tight budgets.
Easily solved and fair to consider that as teachers are permitted to holiday prior when costs are less--after all the kids lose teachers so why not make up classes with teachers and students that want early holidays and use a the last week of the holiday to complete their study--after all the teacher has already been paid for their holiday.
You really need to learn to read what people actually write rather than imposing your narrow views. I did not comment on whether the policies were right or wrong, just that we cant just pick and choose which rules we like, or what's the point in having them. And how can you expect your kids to learn respect and how to behave when parents just stick 2 fingers up at rules and regulations themselves. There are loads of laws and rules that need looking at and sorting out, but just ignoring them and doing what the heck we want is not the way to go and where does that end? who decides how far you go or not? I am sure if others chose to ignore rules that adversely affected you then you would be the first to jump up and down, so how come its ok for you and not for them?

As I said double standards are the scourge of this country. One of the few intelligent things I ever heard a politician said was "everyone knows their rights but not no one know their responsibilities" taking kids out of school who know exactly what you are doing is not much of a role model, that is the point I am making. We all agree this holiday issue needs reviewing, but just breaking them is not the way to do it.
Logic--why can teachers take holidays out of term? Is that good example?
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]messyits[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]messyits[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: I don't think you can accuse holiday companies of being greedy, business is about supply and demand, its no different to the rise in prices for flowers around valentines or mothers day, its how all businesses operate. And this has been going on for years, it's nothing new. there are lots of issues around this but for me it is the fact that parents are hardly setting a good example to their kids by just ignoring the rules and regulations and thinking they are wrong is no excuse, but expecting their kids to behave when they tell them to and grow up to respect the rules. Good old double standards Britain![/p][/quote]You are an habitual whinger.[/p][/quote]Pointing out realities in life is not whinging. Whinging is winning £1million on the lottery and moaning that it isn't enough as you would probably do. But then why try and form an opinion on the topic when you can just just slag someone off like those of limited intelligence do (or resort to using their fists or something else equally moronic!) Grow up please.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately your logic lacks thought and consideration for families on tight budgets. Easily solved and fair to consider that as teachers are permitted to holiday prior when costs are less--after all the kids lose teachers so why not make up classes with teachers and students that want early holidays and use a the last week of the holiday to complete their study--after all the teacher has already been paid for their holiday.[/p][/quote]You really need to learn to read what people actually write rather than imposing your narrow views. I did not comment on whether the policies were right or wrong, just that we cant just pick and choose which rules we like, or what's the point in having them. And how can you expect your kids to learn respect and how to behave when parents just stick 2 fingers up at rules and regulations themselves. There are loads of laws and rules that need looking at and sorting out, but just ignoring them and doing what the heck we want is not the way to go and where does that end? who decides how far you go or not? I am sure if others chose to ignore rules that adversely affected you then you would be the first to jump up and down, so how come its ok for you and not for them? As I said double standards are the scourge of this country. One of the few intelligent things I ever heard a politician said was "everyone knows their rights but not no one know their responsibilities" taking kids out of school who know exactly what you are doing is not much of a role model, that is the point I am making. We all agree this holiday issue needs reviewing, but just breaking them is not the way to do it.[/p][/quote]Logic--why can teachers take holidays out of term? Is that good example? messyits
  • Score: -1

9:05am Tue 12 Aug 14

messyits says...

messyits wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
messyits wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
messyits wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
I don't think you can accuse holiday companies of being greedy, business is about supply and demand, its no different to the rise in prices for flowers around valentines or mothers day, its how all businesses operate. And this has been going on for years, it's nothing new.

there are lots of issues around this but for me it is the fact that parents are hardly setting a good example to their kids by just ignoring the rules and regulations and thinking they are wrong is no excuse, but expecting their kids to behave when they tell them to and grow up to respect the rules. Good old double standards Britain!
You are an habitual whinger.
Pointing out realities in life is not whinging. Whinging is winning £1million on the lottery and moaning that it isn't enough as you would probably do. But then why try and form an opinion on the topic when you can just just slag someone off like those of limited intelligence do (or resort to using their fists or something else equally moronic!) Grow up please.
Unfortunately your logic lacks thought and consideration for families on tight budgets.
Easily solved and fair to consider that as teachers are permitted to holiday prior when costs are less--after all the kids lose teachers so why not make up classes with teachers and students that want early holidays and use a the last week of the holiday to complete their study--after all the teacher has already been paid for their holiday.
You really need to learn to read what people actually write rather than imposing your narrow views. I did not comment on whether the policies were right or wrong, just that we cant just pick and choose which rules we like, or what's the point in having them. And how can you expect your kids to learn respect and how to behave when parents just stick 2 fingers up at rules and regulations themselves. There are loads of laws and rules that need looking at and sorting out, but just ignoring them and doing what the heck we want is not the way to go and where does that end? who decides how far you go or not? I am sure if others chose to ignore rules that adversely affected you then you would be the first to jump up and down, so how come its ok for you and not for them?

As I said double standards are the scourge of this country. One of the few intelligent things I ever heard a politician said was "everyone knows their rights but not no one know their responsibilities" taking kids out of school who know exactly what you are doing is not much of a role model, that is the point I am making. We all agree this holiday issue needs reviewing, but just breaking them is not the way to do it.
Logic--why can teachers take holidays out of term? Is that good example?
I have named names to the DOE--how will they answer?
[quote][p][bold]messyits[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]messyits[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]messyits[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: I don't think you can accuse holiday companies of being greedy, business is about supply and demand, its no different to the rise in prices for flowers around valentines or mothers day, its how all businesses operate. And this has been going on for years, it's nothing new. there are lots of issues around this but for me it is the fact that parents are hardly setting a good example to their kids by just ignoring the rules and regulations and thinking they are wrong is no excuse, but expecting their kids to behave when they tell them to and grow up to respect the rules. Good old double standards Britain![/p][/quote]You are an habitual whinger.[/p][/quote]Pointing out realities in life is not whinging. Whinging is winning £1million on the lottery and moaning that it isn't enough as you would probably do. But then why try and form an opinion on the topic when you can just just slag someone off like those of limited intelligence do (or resort to using their fists or something else equally moronic!) Grow up please.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately your logic lacks thought and consideration for families on tight budgets. Easily solved and fair to consider that as teachers are permitted to holiday prior when costs are less--after all the kids lose teachers so why not make up classes with teachers and students that want early holidays and use a the last week of the holiday to complete their study--after all the teacher has already been paid for their holiday.[/p][/quote]You really need to learn to read what people actually write rather than imposing your narrow views. I did not comment on whether the policies were right or wrong, just that we cant just pick and choose which rules we like, or what's the point in having them. And how can you expect your kids to learn respect and how to behave when parents just stick 2 fingers up at rules and regulations themselves. There are loads of laws and rules that need looking at and sorting out, but just ignoring them and doing what the heck we want is not the way to go and where does that end? who decides how far you go or not? I am sure if others chose to ignore rules that adversely affected you then you would be the first to jump up and down, so how come its ok for you and not for them? As I said double standards are the scourge of this country. One of the few intelligent things I ever heard a politician said was "everyone knows their rights but not no one know their responsibilities" taking kids out of school who know exactly what you are doing is not much of a role model, that is the point I am making. We all agree this holiday issue needs reviewing, but just breaking them is not the way to do it.[/p][/quote]Logic--why can teachers take holidays out of term? Is that good example?[/p][/quote]I have named names to the DOE--how will they answer? messyits
  • Score: -2

7:28pm Tue 12 Aug 14

PJC says...

messyits wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
messyits wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
messyits wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
I don't think you can accuse holiday companies of being greedy, business is about supply and demand, its no different to the rise in prices for flowers around valentines or mothers day, its how all businesses operate. And this has been going on for years, it's nothing new.

there are lots of issues around this but for me it is the fact that parents are hardly setting a good example to their kids by just ignoring the rules and regulations and thinking they are wrong is no excuse, but expecting their kids to behave when they tell them to and grow up to respect the rules. Good old double standards Britain!
You are an habitual whinger.
Pointing out realities in life is not whinging. Whinging is winning £1million on the lottery and moaning that it isn't enough as you would probably do. But then why try and form an opinion on the topic when you can just just slag someone off like those of limited intelligence do (or resort to using their fists or something else equally moronic!) Grow up please.
Unfortunately your logic lacks thought and consideration for families on tight budgets.
Easily solved and fair to consider that as teachers are permitted to holiday prior when costs are less--after all the kids lose teachers so why not make up classes with teachers and students that want early holidays and use a the last week of the holiday to complete their study--after all the teacher has already been paid for their holiday.
You really need to learn to read what people actually write rather than imposing your narrow views. I did not comment on whether the policies were right or wrong, just that we cant just pick and choose which rules we like, or what's the point in having them. And how can you expect your kids to learn respect and how to behave when parents just stick 2 fingers up at rules and regulations themselves. There are loads of laws and rules that need looking at and sorting out, but just ignoring them and doing what the heck we want is not the way to go and where does that end? who decides how far you go or not? I am sure if others chose to ignore rules that adversely affected you then you would be the first to jump up and down, so how come its ok for you and not for them?

As I said double standards are the scourge of this country. One of the few intelligent things I ever heard a politician said was "everyone knows their rights but not no one know their responsibilities" taking kids out of school who know exactly what you are doing is not much of a role model, that is the point I am making. We all agree this holiday issue needs reviewing, but just breaking them is not the way to do it.
Logic--why can teachers take holidays out of term? Is that good example?
Did you mean teachers can take holidays 'during term time'?, maybe you should go back to school? No, generally they can't, and everyone with an anti-teacher agenda takes an isolated incidence and conflates it. What a surprise...
[quote][p][bold]messyits[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]messyits[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]messyits[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: I don't think you can accuse holiday companies of being greedy, business is about supply and demand, its no different to the rise in prices for flowers around valentines or mothers day, its how all businesses operate. And this has been going on for years, it's nothing new. there are lots of issues around this but for me it is the fact that parents are hardly setting a good example to their kids by just ignoring the rules and regulations and thinking they are wrong is no excuse, but expecting their kids to behave when they tell them to and grow up to respect the rules. Good old double standards Britain![/p][/quote]You are an habitual whinger.[/p][/quote]Pointing out realities in life is not whinging. Whinging is winning £1million on the lottery and moaning that it isn't enough as you would probably do. But then why try and form an opinion on the topic when you can just just slag someone off like those of limited intelligence do (or resort to using their fists or something else equally moronic!) Grow up please.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately your logic lacks thought and consideration for families on tight budgets. Easily solved and fair to consider that as teachers are permitted to holiday prior when costs are less--after all the kids lose teachers so why not make up classes with teachers and students that want early holidays and use a the last week of the holiday to complete their study--after all the teacher has already been paid for their holiday.[/p][/quote]You really need to learn to read what people actually write rather than imposing your narrow views. I did not comment on whether the policies were right or wrong, just that we cant just pick and choose which rules we like, or what's the point in having them. And how can you expect your kids to learn respect and how to behave when parents just stick 2 fingers up at rules and regulations themselves. There are loads of laws and rules that need looking at and sorting out, but just ignoring them and doing what the heck we want is not the way to go and where does that end? who decides how far you go or not? I am sure if others chose to ignore rules that adversely affected you then you would be the first to jump up and down, so how come its ok for you and not for them? As I said double standards are the scourge of this country. One of the few intelligent things I ever heard a politician said was "everyone knows their rights but not no one know their responsibilities" taking kids out of school who know exactly what you are doing is not much of a role model, that is the point I am making. We all agree this holiday issue needs reviewing, but just breaking them is not the way to do it.[/p][/quote]Logic--why can teachers take holidays out of term? Is that good example?[/p][/quote]Did you mean teachers can take holidays 'during term time'?, maybe you should go back to school? No, generally they can't, and everyone with an anti-teacher agenda takes an isolated incidence and conflates it. What a surprise... PJC
  • Score: 0

1:46am Wed 13 Aug 14

messyits says...

Yes--'generally' the rule applied to kids and teachers.
Yes--'generally' the rule applied to kids and teachers. messyits
  • Score: 0

4:04pm Wed 27 Aug 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

Well I've just taken a two week holiday abroad, in "peak" time with the whole family of 4, it cost just over 1.3k all in including flights with a budget carrier, accommodation (self catering), and budget car hire. It can be done, you just have to be inventive and don't go with the rip off package tour operators!
Well I've just taken a two week holiday abroad, in "peak" time with the whole family of 4, it cost just over 1.3k all in including flights with a budget carrier, accommodation (self catering), and budget car hire. It can be done, you just have to be inventive and don't go with the rip off package tour operators! The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: 0

4:38pm Wed 27 Aug 14

messyits says...

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
Well I've just taken a two week holiday abroad, in "peak" time with the whole family of 4, it cost just over 1.3k all in including flights with a budget carrier, accommodation (self catering), and budget car hire. It can be done, you just have to be inventive and don't go with the rip off package tour operators!
Skegness caravan park then?
[quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: Well I've just taken a two week holiday abroad, in "peak" time with the whole family of 4, it cost just over 1.3k all in including flights with a budget carrier, accommodation (self catering), and budget car hire. It can be done, you just have to be inventive and don't go with the rip off package tour operators![/p][/quote]Skegness caravan park then? messyits
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