Call to make over-70s retake driving test
10:50am Monday 17th August 2009 in News
DRIVING instructors in Swindon are calling for a change in the law to make resitting your driving test compulsory for people over 70 years of age.
Currently there is nothing which requires pensioners to sit their driving test again, even though some people won’t have sat a test in the first place since the exam was only introduced in 1935.
However, some driving instructors are now saying veteran drivers should be made to resit their test, since pensioners often lack awareness of the road rules and are slower to react behind the wheel.
Brendan Whitiskie, of B3 Motoring School, in Rodbourne, said: “Most pensioners do not understand what the road signs are.
“I find I have to explain things a lot slower to them before they grasp the idea.
“It is not that they are bad drivers but they are certainly not the best.
I do not doubt their experience on the road, but their reaction time is a lot slower and we need to assess if they are still capable of being on the road safely
Jeffery Syed
“They are very cautious about what they are doing and get confused really easily.”
Mr Whitiskie believes that everyone, irrespective of age, should have to retake their test every five years because road signs and driving rules are constantly changing.
He said people lose their quality of driving too easily once they pass.
Jeffrey Syed, of Safedrive Motoring School, agreed there was a need to make older people resit their test.
“It would be a great idea to make people over 70 sit another test,” he said.
“A lot of them do not know the rules and regulations. I do not doubt their experience on the road, but their reaction time is a lot slower and we need to assess if they are still capable of being on the road safely.
“There is a risk older people are too set in their ways and not able to adapt to how rules have changed.
However, one instructor believes a refresher course would be sufficient, rather than making older drivers sit a test again.
Richard Griffin, also of Safedrive, said: “So many things have changed since they learned to drive.
“The volume of traffic has increased massively and the Roads">roads are more complicated.
“It is in everybody’s interest they sit a refresher course and get back up to speed. But making them take their test again is a step too far.”
At present, a driving licence must be renewed at the age of 70 and every three years from then on.
This does not involve re-sitting the driving test, but filling out a form.
There are currently three million licence holders in the UK over the age of 70. It is expected this will rise to 4.5 million by 2014.
But Margaret Hall, 73, of Wolsely Avenue, Park South, has been driving for 52 years.
She said there would be no need for her to resit her test.
“I’m more than capable of still being a good driver despite my age,” she said.
“My grandson took his theory test last week and I would probably fail that now.
“But nothing can beat experience on the road. I have plenty of that.
“If they want me to resit my test then fine, because I would pass it I think. I’m a safe driver and haven’t got those shaky hands just yet.”
Comments(53)
silvergran
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11:17am Mon 17 Aug 09
swindonistani
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11:45am Mon 17 Aug 09
ions, and or modern driving stress.
Any given days there are more accidents and deaths due to young drivers than old drivers!
In my opinion: No 17-21 years old should be left at the wheel of a car, and should have their license taken away at the first accident and or offence.
Youngsters are far more dangerous on the roads as illustrates their behaviour on the streets!
docklander2
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12:13pm Mon 17 Aug 09
Kineasy
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12:19pm Mon 17 Aug 09
laurie38
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12:21pm Mon 17 Aug 09
Home Boy
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12:22pm Mon 17 Aug 09
Haha, I'm sure he does! Nothing like a little profiteering to bolster your bank balance.
Swindonstani, I'm sure you had a valid point in your post, but I'm struggling to understand it through the grammar. Are you saying that no-one should be allowed to start driving until the age of 22?
Also, how has Margaret Hall come to the conclusion that she would pass a modern driving having previously said that she would fail the theory test?
localgirl80
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12:24pm Mon 17 Aug 09
As for re-tests, I am up for that just aslong as they don't charge the world for it ((of which they probably will)).
itsamess
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12:31pm Mon 17 Aug 09
Captain Sensible
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12:44pm Mon 17 Aug 09
Bobfm
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12:45pm Mon 17 Aug 09
Both are badly lined and potentially extremely dangerous.
swindonistani
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12:51pm Mon 17 Aug 09
Home Boy wrote:My apologies, yes, I meant we should allow anyone to drive until reaching a more reasonable age of 21-22+
"Mr Whitiskie believes that everyone, irrespective of age, should have to retake their test every five years because road signs and driving rules are constantly changing." Haha, I'm sure he does! Nothing like a little profiteering to bolster your bank balance. Swindonstani, I'm sure you had a valid point in your post, but I'm struggling to understand it through the grammar. Are you saying that no-one should be allowed to start driving until the age of 22? Also, how has Margaret Hall come to the conclusion that she would pass a modern driving having previously said that she would fail the theory test?
The figures, and insurance premiums speak volumes
If we were to allow young drivers less than 21years old then we should look at having their license on "parole" to be automatically withdrawn and test retaken at the first driving offence / accident (of their fault)
We certainly cannot continue to allow a minority to cause carnage on the roads, being a threat to themselves and most importantly to others.
swindonistani
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12:51pm Mon 17 Aug 09
Home Boy wrote:My apologies, yes, I meant we should allow anyone to drive until reaching a more reasonable age of 21-22+
"Mr Whitiskie believes that everyone, irrespective of age, should have to retake their test every five years because road signs and driving rules are constantly changing." Haha, I'm sure he does! Nothing like a little profiteering to bolster your bank balance. Swindonstani, I'm sure you had a valid point in your post, but I'm struggling to understand it through the grammar. Are you saying that no-one should be allowed to start driving until the age of 22? Also, how has Margaret Hall come to the conclusion that she would pass a modern driving having previously said that she would fail the theory test?
The figures, and insurance premiums speak volumes
If we were to allow young drivers less than 21years old then we should look at having their license on "parole" to be automatically withdrawn and test retaken at the first driving offence / accident (of their fault)
We certainly cannot continue to allow a minority to cause carnage on the roads, being a threat to themselves and most importantly to others.
itsamess
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12:52pm Mon 17 Aug 09
I drive cars and bikes--maybe you are one of the few that ride with consideration as most riders weave in and out of traffic breaking all the rules--would you consider that safe? So do not knock any group of drivers as fault can be found with all groups and type of transport--from lorries/buses/taxis/
cars/4x4s/m/cycles/b
ikes/horses/ females/males/old/yo
ung/disabled-even our highly trained police drivers.
Home Boy
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12:55pm Mon 17 Aug 09
Bobfm wrote:It is strange how we have these disappearing filter lanes all around Swindon. I think they are introduced into computerised traffic models to provide theoretical additional 'capacity' in the road network. In reality they encourage drag racing and make no difference to queue lengths (apart from when they cause an accident).
itsamess, strange as it may seem I agree. One such example is the Greenbridge roundabout, another is the A419 underpass at the White Hart coming from Sainsbury's.
Both are badly lined and potentially extremely dangerous.
Some of the worst ones are on the exits from the roundabouts on Great Western Way. On some of thosethere is a third lane merging and a pedestrian crossing on pretty much the same bit of dual carriageway.
The worst is the inbound stretch of GWR coming from Junction 16 outside the Hilton. I've seen a couple of really bad accidents there with people trying to use the third lane to jump the entire queue. I don't think any over 70's were involved in the racing though (or under 21's for that matter, seems to be mainly the middle aged drivers of various German manufactured cars beginning with A, B or M!).
Home Boy
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12:57pm Mon 17 Aug 09
yeti
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1:01pm Mon 17 Aug 09
although pensioners think they are doing nothing wrong,the fact is many shouldn't be on the roads.
driving rules and regs should be made much tighter for everybody,as our overfilled roads have far to many bad drivers on them
Mr_Big
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1:03pm Mon 17 Aug 09
What utter, utter rubbish.
Thank the lord you have no authority in society, otherwise we would all have the social life of a monk.
swindonistani
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1:07pm Mon 17 Aug 09
Mr_Big wrote:maybe best to live like a monk than to end up tetraplegic! or "worse"?
“swindonistani, swindon says... If we were to allow young drivers less than 21years old then we should look at having their license on "parole" to be automatically withdrawn and test retaken at the first driving offence / accident (of their fault)” What utter, utter rubbish. Thank the lord you have no authority in society, otherwise we would all have the social life of a monk.
Think about it.
I am very sorry but you just cannot trust an 18 year old with a condom, so why trusting them with a 1ton car capable of 100mph?
you tell me!
Home Boy
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1:08pm Mon 17 Aug 09
Mr_Big wrote:They all ready have a 6 points and you're out rule for the initial two year probabtion period anyway. I had a friend who can't caught twice for speeding on the same trip when he was 18, both times he was only over the limit by a minor amount (so he says!). He ended up getting 6 points and losing his license.
“swindonistani, swindon says... If we were to allow young drivers less than 21years old then we should look at having their license on "parole" to be automatically withdrawn and test retaken at the first driving offence / accident (of their fault)”
What utter, utter rubbish.
Thank the lord you have no authority in society, otherwise we would all have the social life of a monk.
laurie38
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1:20pm Mon 17 Aug 09
itsamess wrote:I did not say that all other groups of drivers are faultless...I was just commenting on my own experiences of riding for 25 years, I would be in favour of all car /bike drivers to be re-tested at regular intervals.....
I do not doubt their experience on the road, but their reaction time is a lot slower and we need to assess if they are still capable of being on the road safelyLaurie38 I drive cars and bikes--maybe you are one of the few that ride with consideration as most riders weave in and out of traffic breaking all the rules--would you consider that safe? So do not knock any group of drivers as fault can be found with all groups and type of transport--from lorries/buses/taxis/ cars/4x4s/m/cycles/b ikes/horses/ females/males/old/yo ung/disabled-even our highly trained police drivers.
However I do believe there should be an age limit on being able to drive...
swindonistani
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1:24pm Mon 17 Aug 09
Home Boy wrote:it would be better to start with 0 points and have the license revoked at the first offence
Mr_Big wrote: “swindonistani, swindon says... If we were to allow young drivers less than 21years old then we should look at having their license on "parole" to be automatically withdrawn and test retaken at the first driving offence / accident (of their fault)” What utter, utter rubbish. Thank the lord you have no authority in society, otherwise we would all have the social life of a monk.They all ready have a 6 points and you're out rule for the initial two year probabtion period anyway. I had a friend who can't caught twice for speeding on the same trip when he was 18, both times he was only over the limit by a minor amount (so he says!). He ended up getting 6 points and losing his license.
Meanwhile, for those driving sensibly, every 2 years would accumulate 1point on their license until reaching a maximum of 10, that would also coincide with maximum 20 years insurance NCD.
starting with points fails to responsabilise drivers, accumulating points however has a far better behaviour rewarding value.
You could compare the system to its financial equivalent: credit card or saving account......
SIMPLES
PK
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1:32pm Mon 17 Aug 09
Bobfm wrote:Add Thames Avenue to that Bob. Three lanes, two lanes, three lanes etc. You can guarantee getting cut up at least twice from some moron (usually a young driver) hell bent on overtaking everything in sight.
itsamess, strange as it may seem I agree. One such example is the Greenbridge roundabout, another is the A419 underpass at the White Hart coming from Sainsbury's.
Both are badly lined and potentially extremely dangerous.
Then there's the two horrendous scissors maneouvres coming off Fleming Way, then further round where the buslane changes from one side of the road to the other.
As for drivers, there are good and bad drivers in every age group. It is unfair to single out any one group as there are many in each group who should not be on the road. That applies to all drivers and motocyclists too.
BWB
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1:33pm Mon 17 Aug 09
Bl**dy hell,one minute they cant make ends meet.Now they are able to afford to run a car.
Sod the car,I use my Bus pass,or taxi. So instead of spending £4 on a gallon of petrol. I buy a nice bit of steak
her_in_doors2
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2:12pm Mon 17 Aug 09
Drivers over 70 are sent a medical form to complete but they are allowed to complete it themselves. Surely a medical would be more beneficial - my husband is a HGV driver and has to have a medical every 5 years irrespective of his age.
I am really hoping we can make my dad see sense next year when he gets to 80, his lack of comprehension of speed and traffic conditions are frightening, but he sees nothing wrong with his eye sight or driving ability.
Home Boy
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2:55pm Mon 17 Aug 09
her_in_doors2 wrote:That is very true, but how many of the problems that younger drivers face are caused by "more experienced" drivers' mistakes? For example, it is fairly clear that a lot of drivers over a certain age do not understand lane traffic full stop. Especially lane traffic on roundabouts. Just go and have a look at the blatent disregard for white lines on Mannington, Bridgemead and Junction 16 every single day.
New drivers are taught to pass their test not taught to drive - two completely different things. Perhaps a competency test would be preferable to the full blown driving test.
Drivers over 70 are sent a medical form to complete but they are allowed to complete it themselves. Surely a medical would be more beneficial - my husband is a HGV driver and has to have a medical every 5 years irrespective of his age.
I am really hoping we can make my dad see sense next year when he gets to 80, his lack of comprehension of speed and traffic conditions are frightening, but he sees nothing wrong with his eye sight or driving ability.
I think the conclusion that we're all reaching is that drivers of all ages have faults. I'm going to propose something completely radical now. Why don't we take the speed guns out of the polices' hands, put them back on patrol and have them pulling people over when they make mistakes and educating them? Half the people cutting up other drivers on junction 16 don't even realise they've done it!
Mark Saunders
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3:39pm Mon 17 Aug 09
I agree totally, and parking signs they think disabled parking is for old people.
By the way, how old are you ?
silvergran
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4:00pm Mon 17 Aug 09
There are also loads of people with magic indicators - I meet them all the time when I'm driving. Plus added to that, there are still loads of people using phones - just stand and wait for a bus on a busy road and you will see plenty! I've not seen any older drivers doing that - always youngsters and lorry/van drivers.
itsamess
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4:04pm Mon 17 Aug 09
That is correct friend--no one group is faultless--and accident statistics do not give the full picture even though under 25s and motorcycles are high on the list--there is nothing to suggest the older folk are involved in more accidents. Figures recently astonished most people as to the amount of accidents involving police cars--highly trained officers who actually break most of the rules regularly. In effect we could argue these issues all day--but maybe the driving schools are just trying to drum up business. I have seen many driving school cars with just the instructor in breaking every rule going.
Loveall
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4:59pm Mon 17 Aug 09
swindonistani wrote:I would not trust a 70 year old with a condom!!
Mr_Big wrote:maybe best to live like a monk than to end up tetraplegic! or "worse"?
“swindonistani, swindon says... If we were to allow young drivers less than 21years old then we should look at having their license on "parole" to be automatically withdrawn and test retaken at the first driving offence / accident (of their fault)” What utter, utter rubbish. Thank the lord you have no authority in society, otherwise we would all have the social life of a monk.
Think about it.
I am very sorry but you just cannot trust an 18 year old with a condom, so why trusting them with a 1ton car capable of 100mph?
you tell me!
thisyounglady
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5:05pm Mon 17 Aug 09
A competency test would be better suited. No one drives 100% the way they were taught once they've past their test. It's too impractical.
But to say that under 25's are to blame for most accidents is just being a tad ageist don't you think.
Slower reaction times and lack of awareness from the older generation are just as much to blame.
My gramps is nearing 80 and the amount of times we as a family have had to re-tell him the laws, rules and ways of the road, you'd need more than your fingers and toes to count.
He is just about safe to drive but having an accident over a year ago just proves how he is beginning to struggle more.
So who is more irresponsible then, the 17-25 year old driving keeping up with traffic, fully aware of other vehicles and a fresh knowledge of road signs and the highway code, or the 70+ year old driving far slower than everyone else, with a slower reaction time and an outdated knowledge of the roads and highway?! I'll let you decide.
itsamess
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5:09pm Mon 17 Aug 09
Sorry i did not know condoms were needed to drive--shuffle shuffle--nope sorry cant find that in the highway code. Oh you naughty person-- i got it now--you really are naughty--can you direct me to a convenient place--nudge nudge--wink wink.
thisyounglady
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5:15pm Mon 17 Aug 09
The amount of points allowed on your licence from passing your test to 3years is less than after 3 years i.e you are allowed 12 points before your licenece is taken away, we're only allowed 6.
itsamess
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5:31pm Mon 17 Aug 09
So please do explain why the accident and fatality statistics are clear that 17-25s head the list year on year. Road signs have changed very little over the years. 30 means maximum 30--always have done always will. Modern cars have more efficient brakes and safety devices. The fact being older folk respect the speed limits while the girl and boy racers zoom past and get more speeding tickets. That my dear is why insurers choose to load young drivers as they are higher risk. Was it your gramps error that caused the accident as the police would have prosecuted him as by law accidents must be notified within 24 hrs.
itsamess
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5:35pm Mon 17 Aug 09
That applies to all new drivers--not age related.
helldriver
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5:43pm Mon 17 Aug 09
I Too
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6:01pm Mon 17 Aug 09
Usually when I'm on the recieving end of bad driving, the vehicle is an Audi.
Also (I ride AND drive) the motorcycle test has become more and more difficult, over the years, with time limits, off road testing, limited engine capacities etc. I'm all for better testing and safety limitations,but the driving test has remained the same, with vehicle capacity limited only by the size of drivers wallet.
Whenever I've been confronted, with an elderly bad driver, it's usually due to lack of reflex, or awareness. Whenever I've been confronted with a younger, or middle aged, bad driver, it is usually due to aggression or lack of consideration for other road users.
If refresher courses are being considered, it should apply to all drivers
laurie38
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6:06pm Mon 17 Aug 09
Robh
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6:46pm Mon 17 Aug 09
thisyounglady wrote:What's this some kind of allowance? Any points are bad because the next traffic offence could be your last.
Young drivers ARE on 'parole' for 3 years. The amount of points allowed on your licence from passing your test to 3years is less than after 3 years i.e you are allowed 12 points before your licenece is taken away, we're only allowed 6.
Putting an age on bad driving is silly as you will find all ages commit motoring offences.
Asking for comments from driving instructors is like the pot calling the kettle black. I followed a doddery old f**t the other day who kept slowing down and speeding up. I maligned the man badly as he was following a learner, in a driving school car who hadn't got even the basics of car control but the idiot instructor took them out on a main road.
faatmaan
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7:28pm Mon 17 Aug 09
Secondly their needs for doctors who rubberstamp the medicals oap's are suppose to be taking, to be so strict that they risk losing their medical licence. I know this first hand as back in April a close relative had his licence renewed at the age of 76 , eventhough he has had severe medical problems for over ten years, h was an accident or mortalit waiting to happen, old people only ose their licence when they crash or are so old they finally give up.
Society/government needs to decide whether they wish the perilous system to continue, or better still introduce an inclusive public transport system that costs far below the cost of running a car.
faatmaan
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7:29pm Mon 17 Aug 09
Secondly their needs for doctors who rubberstamp the medicals oap's are suppose to be taking, to be so strict that they risk losing their medical licence. I know this first hand as back in April a close relative had his licence renewed at the age of 76 , eventhough he has had severe medical problems for over ten years, h was an accident or mortalit waiting to happen, old people only ose their licence when they crash or are so old they finally give up.
Society/government needs to decide whether they wish the perilous system to continue, or better still introduce an inclusive public transport system that costs far below the cost of running a car.
docklander2
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8:12pm Mon 17 Aug 09
All age groups have good /average and poor drivers and if they are to blame then the insurance will rise to such an extent that lessons might be learnt or cost takes over and prevent further events. Any Diver driving without insurance should if proved that they knew they were without cover should never have a licence again, this alone will reduce the premiums. Anyone suggesting a blanket ban when reaching a certain age is not a realist .When they creep closer to the age that they have suggested a ban should be enforced will without doubt change tack and deny ever suggesting such a thing (been there got the tee shirt) from witnessing older people than me doing just that. I suggest if you have been cut up on any of the local roundabouts then try to ascertain not the age of the driver but the area where they have come from. 9 out of 10 they will not be local. If its any consolation the Lane marking fiasco has already reached Essex
g5wq
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8:35pm Mon 17 Aug 09
they are rude , bad mannered, accelerate too fast, drive too fast, use the wrong lanes and cross over into others as if they were driving on a race track .
the first thing to do is to teach them to use their INDICATORS , because as far as i can tell, 99% of car drivers dont seem to have any working indicators , or at least i dont see them using them .
although i know why that is, its because they are going that fast that they havent time to operate them .
the roads are for driving along, they are not made for idiots who think they can do what they like on them .
ask the police who they think are better drivers and im sure they wont put younger people at the top of the list .
SPEED KILLS
Loveall
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9:00pm Mon 17 Aug 09
itsamess wrote:You've made my evening. This has confirmed that you an still have fun in the world.
Loveall
Sorry i did not know condoms were needed to drive--shuffle shuffle--nope sorry cant find that in the highway code. Oh you naughty person-- i got it now--you really are naughty--can you direct me to a convenient place--nudge nudge--wink wink.
On the subject in question - I have found in my experience that those who do need to reassess if they should drive or not are those who are the least likely to do so. They do not want to give up their independence. Yes - for older drivers-they may be less likely to speed but I feel that doing 20 in a 40 zone is a slight bit dangerous, being unable to turn your head to look over your shoulder could cause problems. Driving should be assessed on ability and not just age.
itsamess
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9:51pm Mon 17 Aug 09
Sorry too busy looking for condoms--seems there is not of use for them here.
I think you should concede it is wholly wrong to lump people into groups. I do agree many of us have been stuck behind dawdling motorists that can be elderly--or foreign drivers--or even a problem with the car. Modern cars do have 3 mirrors to aid all round vision--the problem being we are a rush rush society with little patience--we see others faults but disregard our own. There are many overtaking on the inside as after all we are a nation of road hogs being in the wrong lanes--wouldn't it be perfect if we all followed the rules of the road--sadly it will never happen--remember--Mi
rror-signal--turn. Night all!!
itsamess
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9:51pm Mon 17 Aug 09
Sorry too busy looking for condoms--seems there is not of use for them here.
I think you should concede it is wholly wrong to lump people into groups. I do agree many of us have been stuck behind dawdling motorists that can be elderly--or foreign drivers--or even a problem with the car. Modern cars do have 3 mirrors to aid all round vision--the problem being we are a rush rush society with little patience--we see others faults but disregard our own. There are many overtaking on the inside as after all we are a nation of road hogs being in the wrong lanes--wouldn't it be perfect if we all followed the rules of the road--sadly it will never happen--remember--Mi
rror-signal--turn. Night all!!
her_in_doors2
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6:55am Tue 18 Aug 09
Home Boy
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11:35am Tue 18 Aug 09
her_in_doors2 wrote:Ah right, well that single case proves it then!
Younger people might speed, not indicate etc etc but two years ago a "younger" person ran his van into the back of my dad's car at an island. My dad then explained "good job I had the car out of gear with the handbrake on or we may have ended up infront of the oncoming traffic" - judge for yourself who really caused this accident?????
When I was 21 a man in his 60's ran into the back of me on the M4 when I was stationary at the back of a queue (hazards on to warn of the queue). Turns out he was looking for his ringing mobile phone in his bag and didn't see the queue. So who caused that accident?
You're always going to have cases which demonstrate both sides of the arguement. The long and short of it is that there are a lot of bad drivers around of all ages. The worst two groups are probably the very young and very old, this doesn't mean we can discriminate against everyone in those categories though. If bad driving (and by that I mean all forms of dangerous driving not just speeding) were properly punished we may be able to rid ourselves of some of these drivers.
Chesterfield
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4:26pm Tue 18 Aug 09
Driving for work, which I appreciate not many 70+ people do is the third most dangerous job in the UK, and we still kill over 8 people a DAY on average on our UK roads.
If the reporters had asked the question "Should everyone have to be re-assessed / re-tested at regular intervals ?" they would have got the same response - an emphatic "Yes".
Road conditions, vehicle design, traffic densities, old habits . . . These all combine over time to make us less safe.
Driving instructors are re-assessed regularly and many drivers belong to RoSPA and IAM, both organisations strive to remind all drivers that standards need to be maintained. The recently introduced driver CPC means that all professional drivers, lorry and bus MUST receive aditional training on a regular and ongoing basis.
It is a shame that the article targetted a particular age group - collisions happen to all age groups.
itsamess
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5:18pm Tue 18 Aug 09
Clearly in that case the offending party that crashed into your dads car as he was clearly awaiting a clear path across the island and quite rightly explained that a more serious accident could have happened.
northswindon
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12:11pm Wed 19 Aug 09
I belive the this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
Captain Sensible
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5:40pm Wed 19 Aug 09
opinionatedtoo
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9:02pm Thu 20 Aug 09
Everyone should have a refresher every 10 years untill they get to 70, then they should have a refresher every 5 years.
A test would be a touch harsh on the older generation, but a refresher to raise their awareness and highlight issues would be beneficial, as it would be for younger drivers.
Believe that the idea of a re-test is all about raising cash, it is not necessary.
Lars says...
11:11am Mon 17 Aug 09
I'm sure the lady from the drivng school does want us to re-sit our test every five years! Kerching!