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LEARNER drivers have been symbolically banned from one Swindon street after driving local people round the bend.

Residents in Churchward Avenue are so sick of their road being clogged with learner drivers that they have put up a makeshift sign in protest.

But one driving instructor said pupils could actually fail their test if they are not given the chance to practice on streets they will face in their exam.

The Rodbourne Cheney road has become a Mecca for motorists since becoming a test route for the new Peatmoor Way driving centre earlier this year.

But for some residents enough is enough.

“It’s a nightmare,” said 68-year-old Gladys Sims. “They come down here at all hours of the day and at the weekend and it can be really terrible.

“It’s especially dangerous at night because sometimes you can’t see them until you’re right on top of them.

“We have children riding their bikes along this street.”

Kenneth Glew, 83, who has lived in Churchward Avenue for more than 50 years, said the increase in traffic had been noticeable.

He said: “Often you find yourself behind a learner driver doing a three-point turn very slowly and they end up parked right across the road. It is very frustrating because it’s something we have to deal with on a daily basis.

“But people have to learn somewhere and if this is on the test route then they have no choice. When I did my test there weren’t so many cars around so it wasn’t such a problem.”

But for 60-year-old Roy Farrow, who has recently moved to the area, a ban on learner drivers simply won’t work.

He said: “I don’t see how it could be enforced. They can’t do anything unless the test routes are changed.

“The instructors have to consider the residents. Before they would wave you through if they were about to do a three-point turn. Now they just get on with it and leave you waiting.

“It can also be a bit hair-raising when they reverse park around your car. But I can always get my revenge by driving off mid-manoeuvre.”

John Walsh, who owns Swindon School of Motoring, said in all his years as a driving instructor he had never heard of a street trying to ban learners.

He said: “I’ve seen all sorts including people putting their dustbins in the way but that sign is a new one on me. Some of my pupils actually think it’s real and don’t turn into that road.

“When that becomes awkward is when an examiner asks them to turn down there on a test and the pupil thinks it’s a no-entry.

“They could actually fail on that.”

Mr Walsh said he could understand residents’ concerns but thought driving instructors were being unfairly blamed.

He said: “The Driving Standards Authority (DSA) decide the test routes and we have to prepare the pupils for those.

“I don’t see a problem with cars going down that road but when you consider that there are about 100 driving schools in the area then you can see how it would start to annoy the residents.”

Comments(34)

Lars says...
8:59am Tue 6 Oct 09

Yes that's right, learners should be banned from Churchward Avenue and moved on to another road about which the Adver can run a similar story in a few weeks' time.

I suppose these residents never learned to drive? Actually, seeing the age of them, no they probably didn't.


DarkAuror says...
9:04am Tue 6 Oct 09

"“It’s a nightmare,” said 68-year-old Gladys Sims. “They come down here at all hours of the day and at the weekend and it can be really terrible.

“It’s especially dangerous at night because sometimes you can’t see them until you’re right on top of them. "

I be more worried about this woman than the learner drivers if she can't see them until she's up close.

Opinionated Wench says...
9:12am Tue 6 Oct 09

“It can also be a bit hair-raising when they reverse park around your car. But I can always get my revenge by driving off mid-manoeuvre.”
Ummm is that not dangerous driving!?!!
Personally i think they should ban old people from driving if they are going to behave like that. I dont like being stuck behind learners, or waiting for them, or watching out for old people who clearly cant see a car until they are on top of them. BUT TOUGH! it's the way it is.....
“I’ve seen all sorts including people putting their dustbins in the way...
That is outrageous, seems to me the residents need to be done for this not the learner drivers!

silvergran says...
9:35am Tue 6 Oct 09

Nobody likes to get stuck behind a learner driver, but we all had to learn at some stage, so a little patience should be exercised. Also, if this road is on a route designated as part of the test, they don't have much alternative!

excusemelulu says...
9:38am Tue 6 Oct 09

I hope these narrow minded miserable people don't seek to learn anything themselves. The reason they are learners is because the are being taught! Get a life and appreciate that they are improving their skills - maybe even to get a job and off the benefit system - or is that still not enough??

BTW they come down my road all the time too but do you here us complaining ? No.

excusemelulu says...
9:39am Tue 6 Oct 09

hear sorry! Maybe I need to go back to college.....

The ModFather says...
9:42am Tue 6 Oct 09

I use Churchward Avenue everyday as a short cut on my commute to work and I have never experienced this problem.

STFC_Legend says...
9:56am Tue 6 Oct 09

I think people at the age of 60+ should be banned from talking to reporters. They do nothing but moan, what a completely pointless thing to moan about. I actually would prefer learner drivers on my road as at least they are not speeding or tail-gating.

Wellfire says...
10:28am Tue 6 Oct 09

We have many learners where I live too, cars and motor cyclists. It's not a problem. In any case, I bought the house not the street.

PaulD says...
10:34am Tue 6 Oct 09

they should consider themselves lucky. Learner drivers are a natural way to slow down traffic, which if children are playing in the street is ideal. The learner is accompanied by an expert driver with dual controls and not on theri own!

Miserable old codgers

Disco20 says...
10:35am Tue 6 Oct 09

What a bunch of moany old gits.
You had to learn too, or are you that old you just bought your license?

They seem to make out that the Learners are dangerous drivers... Most are better than the idiots which tear down the majority of Swindon's streets.

Must be a quiet day in the Adver office..

Captain Sensible says...
10:45am Tue 6 Oct 09

"It’s a nightmare,” said 68-year-old Gladys Sims" as she drove at 20mph in a 60mph zone randomly changing directions in her Nissan Micra peering out of her prescription windscreen and indicating to turn left before veering off to the right leaving a trail of puzzled, angry and baffled drivers in her wake.

madred says...
11:57am Tue 6 Oct 09

The ModFather wrote:
I use Churchward Avenue everyday as a short cut on my commute to work and I have never experienced this problem.
excellent tip ModFather, i too will now use road as part of my daily commute, if thats ok with the residents of course.

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...
12:09pm Tue 6 Oct 09

I would tend to agree that the residents do not own the road so have no cause for complaint. However... I also think that learner drivers should be banned from driving during rush hour periods until they have proved themselves sufficiently competent drivers beforehand. New drivers should learn this kind of thing off road first (including maneuvres), before attempting this on the test route. It seems that the driving instructors are teaching the pupils to pass the test on a specific route rather than actually teaching them how to drive...

Esk_Hause says...
12:36pm Tue 6 Oct 09

I appreciate both sides of the argument, but why do learner driver "need" to learn on the roads they are going to take their test on..? Surely that's the whole point - they should be taught so that in their test they can prove their competence on any street the instructor chooses.

When I was taught - my lessons took place on countless different roads in town, and on the outskirts - I hardly ever went to the same place twice, and certainly wasn't told which streets my test would take place on!

My examiner came from Gloucester on my test day, and said he didn't know Swindon very well - and I'm sure he didn't really mind which streets we used!!

Disco20 says...
1:22pm Tue 6 Oct 09

You do learn on different roads but if there is a road close to the centre to which you need to return, it is good to get to know that road very welll.

I was taken all the way to Ciren' on my first lesson, using the back roads through Cricklade & Kemble.
just let the learners get on with it, most people who drive now would fail a test. Maybe the residents should look at their own driving before criticising others...

Security words: seat-shot.. Haha!

Disco20 says...
1:23pm Tue 6 Oct 09

You do learn on different roads but if there is a road close to the centre to which you need to return, it is good to get to know that road very welll.

I was taken all the way to Ciren' on my first lesson, using the back roads through Cricklade & Kemble.
just let the learners get on with it, most people who drive now would fail a test. Maybe the residents should look at their own driving before criticising others...

Security words: seat-shot.. Haha!

her_in_doors2 says...
2:21pm Tue 6 Oct 09

That’s just the point though Esk_Huase - learner drivers are taught to pass their test not drive in real conditions. Over the last three years my two daughters have passed their tests and thankfully, as my husband is a professional driver, they were then taught to drive properly with respect for other road users etc. Learner drivers don’t even go on the Motorway until they have passed their test and even then have to pay mega bucks for that privilege.

Trend says...
5:38pm Tue 6 Oct 09

Esk_Hause the very thing I was thinking. When I learnt to drive I didn't go on one single road that the test was done on. I still passed first time!! Maybe the DSA should consider several routes around Swindon where the test could be done so that one area or road is not plaqued with learners.

Paul321 says...
6:52pm Tue 6 Oct 09

How people have changed. I bet all these moaners have a car license and had to drive around the streets causing delays. STOP YOUR BLOODY moaning and let them get on with it. Short memories and selfish lot.

Devonroaddodderer says...
7:12pm Tue 6 Oct 09

We live in Devon Road which also has its fair share of learner drivers. Wellfire is wrong, we didn't just buy the house we bought it because of the street. Somewhere quiet and safe for the children to play. Not any more.
While I agree that everyone has to learn to drive somewhere, I am quite sure the residents of the Lawns used to hide under their sideboards when they saw me driving up the road, it is the number of driving schools using these streets that is causing the problem. And it is not just one visit each day, they come back again and again and again and sometimes they are queued up at the corners waiting to reverse around it. If you are not held up by someone in the middle of a 7 point turn, you are blocked from your driveway by the procession of trainee motorcyclists, or my personal favourite is the local school doing their cycling proficiency training and the teacher has stopped me in the middle of the road to complain about my driving.
The Swindon Advertiser Comment says the residents should have more tolerance. Let us know the address of the person who wrote that comment and we will send them all your way.

eh says...
10:30pm Tue 6 Oct 09

You have to ask yourself why!

Since the test center has moved to west swindon, I am frequently finding myself driving behind a learner doing 15-20 mph on a clear 40mph road. Why!

Before you ask, I learnt to drive in a remote field..away from other drivers! Ask around there are lots of them and farmers often don't mind as long as you let them know!

Can't they do a car CBT before venturing onto a 'real' road?

PeeGee says...
1:01am Wed 7 Oct 09

Weren't residents in this same road complaining about taxis a few months ago?

Opinionated Wench says...
8:43am Wed 7 Oct 09

For Eh, doing 15-20 in a 40 zone? Really? Or is it because everyone is so used to driving above the speed limit. In all honesty check your speed next time your going down queens drive, Or what about 30 zones? Does anyone actually do 30 in a 30 zone?
When i learnt to drive just over two years ago my driving instructor actually encouraged me to go to the limit. If i was in a 40 zone i was expected to go 40, It was actually myself as a learner that was frightened of the speed of the car. Like all learners it's a scary thing thinking you have to multi task in this massive machine trying to manouvre your way around some god awful magic roundabout.
So please, everyone just think about how it was for you, regardless of whether you were driving in a field, or down some country roads. It's a scary thing and its the learners who are nervous, the driving instructors want you to do the speed limit, it's how you learn

JohnDSA says...
9:27am Wed 7 Oct 09

The Driving Standards Agency has no control over how driving instructors operate and they are free to use public highways as they wish. But there are 15 different potential driving test routes in Swindon, so this is certainly not the only one. However, on roads where we feel there is too much traffic because of popular practice routes, we can reduce the number of tests taken in the area, put up notices in our test centres asking instructors to reduce the number of times they frequent the roads, and liaise with local driving schools to ask them to consider the residents and reduce the use of the roads. Additionally, instructors should be preparing learners for test by teaching them to deal with the hazards they are likely to face in every day driving, on different types of roads, in unfamiliar areas and in differing circumstances – they shouldn’t just be teaching them to drive test routes.

John Atkin - Head of Media, DSA

Disco20 says...
9:30am Wed 7 Oct 09

well said O/W

Wellfire says...
9:52am Wed 7 Oct 09

Devonroaddodderer wrote:
We live in Devon Road which also has its fair share of learner drivers. Wellfire is wrong, we didn't just buy the house we bought it because of the street. Somewhere quiet and safe for the children to play. Not any more. While I agree that everyone has to learn to drive somewhere, I am quite sure the residents of the Lawns used to hide under their sideboards when they saw me driving up the road, it is the number of driving schools using these streets that is causing the problem. And it is not just one visit each day, they come back again and again and again and sometimes they are queued up at the corners waiting to reverse around it. If you are not held up by someone in the middle of a 7 point turn, you are blocked from your driveway by the procession of trainee motorcyclists, or my personal favourite is the local school doing their cycling proficiency training and the teacher has stopped me in the middle of the road to complain about my driving. The Swindon Advertiser Comment says the residents should have more tolerance. Let us know the address of the person who wrote that comment and we will send them all your way.
You may have bought your house because of the street but you didn't buy the street - check your deeds. Most roads have changed over the years. Ours too is no longer as safe as it once was for children. By the way, we get parties of 20 - 30 kids doing their Cycling Proficiency too. Live and let live, eh?

scoobym17 says...
12:07pm Wed 7 Oct 09

Myself and my friend live in this street. The other day he was getting picked up by his instructor who doesn't use that road for teaching, only if hes picking up, and a film crew started harrasing him with this story. Both my friend and the instructor tried to explain he was only being picked up, but they didn't stop, and put it on the news. The lesson had to be cancelled and my friend was quite shaken up by the film crew. Now I would like driving lessons and this morning called 3 schools, all of whom turned me down because of where I live as they're fearful of the media harrasment ruining their careers. Its not fair on them and not fair on people who want to learn. Am I now not allowed lessons because of where I live? Will I have to walk to a different part of Swindon to get lessons? I can understand anger when roads are used too much, but this is targetting people. I personally think learner drivers are the safest in the world, as they go slow and have a professional next to them who also has control over the car. I'd prefer learners than boy-racers!

instructor says...
1:21pm Wed 7 Oct 09

I am very proud to say that I am an instructor.
I teach people the life skill of driving. Driving on all roads that are available, from minor roads, to 70mph roads. Each learner has to develop their skills and we need to be patient while they are learning.
The DSA have several routes, the only time I use a route is for the Mock test, when my pupils are ready.
Remember we were all learners once, and if your instructor didn't take you over the Magic Roundabout, where would you all be!!
Please treat learners with the respect they deserve. A nervous driver does not need people shouting at them while they are trying to drive along a residential road.
I have a pupil in the area, and had no problems in picking her up yesterday, so happy to talk to the person looking for an instructor, I'll even pick them up from the house!

Opinionated Wench says...
1:26pm Wed 7 Oct 09

Well said instructor!!!
When i was learning to drive i approached a juntion (in lawns) and a guy who got fed up of waiting mounted the kerb and drove round me... all because i was checking my mirrors and making sure the road was clear. It really shook me after that but luckily for me i'm a bit more hardy to these abusive people who are impatient with learner drivers, and i give as good as i get :o)

bananas1 says...
3:13pm Wed 7 Oct 09

As an instructor (as others have said) I teach a skill for life, lets face it anyone can pass their test with minimal training, but what would be the point of that. I have children therefore I want to ensure anyone I take to test is going to be safe on the roads and not be a danger to them. Unfortunately this means going on roads that aren't always popular with residents but if you want our newly qualified drivers to be able to cope with any situation then sometimes we have to travel in areas like this.

Having read through all the comments I feel more sorry for the wannabe learners who now because of this story can't find an instructor due to fear of being harrassed - did those of you who are complaining think about the impact it is having on people who live on YOUR street? I doubt it, but of course only you know the real answer to that question.

I have to admit to have had a good laugh at some of the comments on here though, and would like to thank those posters :) x

swin0123 says...
4:40pm Wed 7 Oct 09

I would not normally comment on sites, but after reading all of posts it angered me and I felt the need too!
What is the world coming too when all we have to moan about is learner drivers! I don’t live near the new test centre but still have learner drivers in my area. Its just way the way things are and yes it can be annoying but we all had to learn once! I would rather have learners in my area than cars tearing around; I think they are more unsafe!
There are several test routes in Swindon, and instructors do teach you to drive and to past your test. Driving tests and lessons are daunting for most people so they don’t need idiots who have passed making things worse for them, haven’t you all got better things to do with your time to count the learners or try and obstruct them! The other posts are correctly it is not 'their street' they live in the street which is for the use of the public. I am sure they are far more dangerous and pressing issues that they need to comment on or watch out for!
I think this is silly and people should get on with their lives as life is to short!

claire1979 says...
5:30pm Wed 7 Oct 09

Get over it! I had learner drivers up and down my street all day long when the test centre was in Old Town, did i moan? NO! You just gotta get over it! People in the world moan far too much - a road outside your house IS a public highway (unless stated otherwise) - a friend of mine can not park outside her neighbours house without getting a rude note from her neighbour saying they had to walk down the street to get home and how inconsiderate it is. The reality is "if you dont like it MOVE!"

Bench says...
9:07pm Fri 9 Oct 09

Im currently learning to drive and can not work out why these people find this such a problem. if you think back to when all these people took there driving tests and learnt to drive there wasnt as many people on the road. Surely with a qualified instructor on board with a 'second break' the learner drivers cant be any more dangerous then any other driver? and surly you can see them coming with the big "L" on the roof or the rather distinctive markings. One of the arguments with residents is that they are annoying and some times stop in the middle of the road while doing '3-point turns'. These are the sorts of people that intimidate and disturb learner drivers.
After all we were all there at one time or another and that road is a darnsite safer then learning to drive on a main route or on a main road. Its controlled, Safe, And the same for everyone so i think thats a good thing.

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