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Thousands of bikers pay spectacular Wootton Bassett tribute to forces heroes


Wiltshire's roads shuddered with the roar of 10,000 bikes today as bikers from all over the country rode into Wootton Bassett to raise money for the charity Afghan Heroes.

Policeestimated 15,000 bikers on 10,000 gleaming mahcines of all shapes and sizes rode from Hullavington air base and to ride through Corston, Malmesbury, Brinkworth and finally into Wootton Bassett.

The ride was the idea of a teenage biker who fancied doing a bike run with a few of her friends but it snowballed into the biggest bike run of its kind in Britain.

The majority of the organisation was done by biker Julia Stevenson, from Kent.

She said: “Bikers are a big family. There is just something about the biking fraternity.

“I have never known such genuine, lovely, generous people.

“It is the biggest one that Britain will ever see as the police won’t allow it again.

“I can’t believe what has been in my head for weeks is now a reality.

“We have come together as one and we have united today in support of our troops.”

The initial idea of the ride was that of Lizzie Stevens, 18, from Luton. She said: “I am absolutely ecstatic.

“I didn’t expect this sort of atmosphere. I only invited 15 people on facebook and it has spread like wildfire.

“The idea was to support Wootton Bassett and the troops coming through and to thank them and show that we are behind them.

“I am really happy because it shows a lot of people do care.”

The £5 paid by each rider and pillion will be going to the charity Afghan Heroes, which was set up by mothers who have lost their sons in Afghanistan.

There were three representatives from the charity at Hullavington airbase.

Denise Harris, Debbie Simpson and Jane Whitehouse all lost their sons on the same day.

Mrs Harris, 46, from Somerset, lost her son Corporal Lee Scott at the age of just 26.

She said: “We lost our boys in 24 hours.

“The charity was founded on behalf of all us mothers.

“We are very pleased with how it has gone.

“We are pleased with the response from the general public.

“This ride is our way of saying thank you.”

Mrs Whitehouse, 54, from Walsall, said: “I met Julia Stevenson last night and we had our arms around each other, crying."

Mrs Whitehouse lost her son Corporal Jonathan Horne, who was 27.

She added: “This is for all the troops out there and all the fallen and their families.

“They have left their legacy behind.

“It is a very emotional and poignant day.”

Before the first wave of riders left the base, there were presentations to MOD staff, the police, and to the mayor and mayoress of Wootton Bassett Steve and Allison Bucknell.

Julia Stevenson told the crowds: “Today is our chance to salute our heroes.

“Many of those who are watching us will be surprised that it is bikers who have managed the first rally in support of our troops.

“We can be disciplined and show respect to our fallen heroes and their families.

“They do not walk alone and they shall never walk alone.”

Chief Inspector Gillard of Wiltshire Police has been the main organiser on the behalf of the police.

He said: “It is a big event to organise, especially given the short time frame.

“It is a bit like one of those Facebook parties when everyone turns up.

“The size of the event attracted support from other forces. It has cost us nothing.

“We have had officers on site (at Hullavington) helping with reassurance, and we have had traffic and uniformed officers along the route.

“I’m really enjoying it as the hard work is in the planning. It is really positive.

“Not all the residents are going to appreciate it but I think the majority of people are positive about it.”

Bikers came from far and wide. They came from Scotland, the North of England, Wales and even America.

But some came only as far as from Wootton Bassett.

Biker David Goodhall is from the town which has become famous because of its role in the repatriations.

He said: “Bikers have always been passionate.

“It is what bikers do, they step up and put their hands in their pockets.

“It is costing people money to be here but its all for a good cause and if we can do that, than that is all to the good.”

Gary Crook, 49, is also from Wootton Bassett.

He was riding on Sunday with his son Gareth, who is just two and a half.

Mr Crook said: “They are raising money for a good cause.

“You can see all the companionship and banter. It is a great lifestyle.

“Not many people agree with the war but we support the troops in any case.”

Mark Vincent, 49, is from Bath, and only took up riding a bike 15 months ago.

He said: “It is awesome.

“From a biking perspective, it is one of those days you will always remember and say “I was there.”

“They could have easily doubled the numbers.

“You find all walks of life here.

“Putting politics aside, our guys are over there doing there job without question.

“The guys and women coming back, it is very sad.”

Jed and Janet Evans had come to Wiltshire from Leeds.

Mr Evans said: “We see Wootton Bassett on the news all the time and it is sad, but this is positive.

“It gives a message of support. It brings a lump to your throat.This is the first time we have been to Wootton Bassett.

“No one says the people they have to come out and line the street but they come out and support. That is appreciated by the whole nation.”

As the first group of riders left Hullavington, they saw flashes of colour in the green of the Wiltshire countryside, as well wishers came out at the roadside to wave, cheer and display flags.

They moved towards Malmesbury and went through Brinkworth before being met with crowds of Wootton Bassett residents who were out enjoying the sun.

Mayor Steve Bucknell, having returned from Hullavington, said: “It is absolutely incredible.

“I hadn’t expected this many people to turn out.

“There is a real carnival atmosphere in the town.

“We have had to stand out here in stillness and silence far too many times, but now everyone is in good mood.

“Most of the young men who have died would have loved to see all these bikes.”

Wootton Bassett resident Louise Warwick said: “It is brilliant, really good.

“It is nice to see something positive, and for the children it is such a great experience.”

Liz and Alison Taylor are from Purton.

Liz said: “I work at Lyneham so it is a charity close to my heart.”

Her mum Alison said: “It is great and nice for the people of Bassett. There must be every biker in Britain here.”

Glen Reid is another Wootton Bassett resident who was out enjoying the sights.

He said: “They are raising money for a great charity and everyone seems to be having fun.

“People are out on the street without the sadness of repatriations.”

The ride is expected to make between £50,000 and £100,000 for Afghan Heroes.


Comments(37)

Andy T says...
10:20pm Sun 14 Mar 10

I would like to say a big thank you to all the people of wootton bassett and surrounding villages for the warm welcome and support they showed as we rode through. It was an emotional day for alot of us being ex service men being there to remember all our fallen troops over the years.
You do our young fallen soldiers and their families proud with your turn out and you do our country proud. Thank You

jjuliangerar says...
1:20am Mon 15 Mar 10

Hi Guys

I am going to throw a big spanner into this ride. I love biking/flying /paragliding/horse racing/ but the ride was "pure propaganda" and I would not ride.

I am from a Military/Aviaton family but the war in Afghanistan is wrong and illegal.

Our soldiers are used as pawns to fight a non existant war.

Riding through Wootan may seem right, but it is wrong, it keeps up the lie for false wars.

Mothers believes there son died for a good reason, but they died for the warmongers like the Royal family, who have slashed and killed and murdered there way to power.
We must break the mind controll the evils doers have on us and think for ourselves.

I have nothing agaist our troops, but we are not figting a war enemy abroad, they do not attack us , no we are fighting a war of subversion, an interwar on us to make us fight each other.

When we do not attack them they will not be hostile to us.

We are the enemy against the indiginous Afghanistans, made be the evil and corrupt Government of britain, who has never stopped going to war for hundred of years.

Am I against britain "NO" my grandfather won a george cross in ww2 and my mums brother was shot by the Germans and killed.

NO WARS>>>>>>>>

Simple.......

Roodles says...
8:31am Mon 15 Mar 10

Oh dear, jjuliangerar, you were evidently not there yesterday, nor do you appear to have read much of what was written before hand because YOU DO NOT APPEAR TO HAVE UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE DAY WAS ALL ABOUT!

Regardless of our personal feelings about whether the war is justified or not, we rode through "Wootan" (as you put it) to show support for and raise money for the members of the armed forces who are placing their lives and limbs at risks on our behalf.

If you truly believe that our troops are being used as pawns, victims of an unjust war, then you should be welcoming anything which helps them in any way. Your bland assertion that the ride was wrong is exactly like saying we shouldn't help rape victims because rape is unjustified.

Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

keithvmx1200 says...
8:49am Mon 15 Mar 10

I would also like to thank the people of Wootton Bassett for their warm welcome to us bikers, I dont know who was the most proud,the people of WB or us bikers, I would also like to than the organisers,and all the Marshels, and last of all the Wiltshire Police for all the work they put into it, and made a great day even better for us.
Regards Keith

blarney says...
1:54pm Mon 15 Mar 10

To jjuliamgerar:

You make a decent point about the current war being unjust and Britain's history of envolvement in such wars.

You don't make any sense when you argue that the ride was unjust though. I don't see how it promotes any kind of propaganda.

One of the things that may provide peace of mind for the families of service men and woman is knowing that many people care about them and like to raise money to support them.

johnmaclean says...
4:19pm Mon 15 Mar 10

It's disturbing to see people regularly standing in streets waving flags. Something that's happened in recent European history. Then, as now it derives from fear and ignorance. It's certainly not a healthy spectacle for young people who are easily influenced. Jingosim and nationalist hysteria always make people blind.
Why don't the people in that town sit down and consider the devestation caused to native people in Iraq/Afghanistan?
Ten thousand flag waving bikers is not really helpful. They're just giving a warmongering government more excuses to kill for oil.

Pieman2010 says...
4:45pm Mon 15 Mar 10

johnmaclean wrote:
It's disturbing to see people regularly standing in streets waving flags. Something that's happened in recent European history. Then, as now it derives from fear and ignorance. It's certainly not a healthy spectacle for young people who are easily influenced. Jingosim and nationalist hysteria always make people blind.
Why don't the people in that town sit down and consider the devestation caused to native people in Iraq/Afghanistan?
Ten thousand flag waving bikers is not really helpful. They're just giving a warmongering government more excuses to kill for oil.
Light blue touchpaper and retire....

hitro says...
6:55pm Mon 15 Mar 10

When I was confronted with a sea of bikes stopping me leaving my road at Malmesbury, at first I was a bit cross but upon reflection I was thought what a fantastic event I was witnessing. Such an event should be chronicled as a people event and a thank you to our brave soldiers and airmen. More power to your elbow, btw it must have been 20,00 bikes plus pillions!!

sprint1050 says...
7:36pm Mon 15 Mar 10

I am 70 years young & was proud & honored to be permitted to travell 250 miles round trip(0900hrs to 2030hrs)to pay homage to your town & the lost youth.I also travelled with my son & his pillion & we were so touched by the wellcome which I felt unworthy of.In contrast to this I am disgusted by the open admission by your pie man(STFC Legend) that he grossed £2000 & donated £10.Surely he can't be the full shilling!or is this a wind-up,when I hear that one biker donated £750.A truly memorable day!
Well done to you all(save one or two weirdo's.

Local Bloke says...
8:03pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Anyone who tries to argue that the ride was pointless, unfair, propaganda or anything other than a way of paying tribute to our troops needs a major check up. Let us not forget that many of our sons and daughters agree, but they are still out there doing the job.

So to all of those who think the ride was wrong - shove it, you haven't got a clue.

shed says...
8:46pm Mon 15 Mar 10

johnmaclean is a scabrous loony left Merchant Banker who now and again pops down from the hell hole of Special Brew drinking, fried Mars bar eating land of fat pig ignorant alkies and smackheads to stir the manure.
If only these porrigewogs would stay in their cr*p house country and shut up.
But they can't resist interfering that's why we have McBroon screwing us.

Davie B says...
8:47pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Worry not, John Maclean of Glasgow looks as if he is a serial troll, his coments are not just limited to this article. He is rather missing the point.

Triton says...
9:07pm Mon 15 Mar 10

shed wrote:
johnmaclean is a scabrous loony left Merchant Banker who now and again pops down from the hell hole of Special Brew drinking, fried Mars bar eating land of fat pig ignorant alkies and smackheads to stir the manure.
If only these porrigewogs would stay in their cr*p house country and shut up.
But they can't resist interfering that's why we have McBroon screwing us.
Mr Maclean is entitled to his views however ill-conceived. What is not appropriate is your blatantly racist attack on the whole of Scotland.
.
Well done to the bikers and all the organisers of this event.

sprint1050 says...
9:53pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Pieman2010 wrote:
johnmaclean wrote: It's disturbing to see people regularly standing in streets waving flags. Something that's happened in recent European history. Then, as now it derives from fear and ignorance. It's certainly not a healthy spectacle for young people who are easily influenced. Jingosim and nationalist hysteria always make people blind. Why don't the people in that town sit down and consider the devestation caused to native people in Iraq/Afghanistan? Ten thousand flag waving bikers is not really helpful. They're just giving a warmongering government more excuses to kill for oil.
Light blue touchpaper and retire....
Oh dear....I take to task the words & context:-regularly,f
ear,ignorance,health
y,jingoism(spelling)
,hysteria,blind,deva
station(spelling).
10,000 of us waving flags is on record as being a great help....get a life!
I am only thankful that you are not in goverment,but I believe you are just a naughty little troll,and have nothing better to do than upset people with you poorly presented arguements.

Baldyboy says...
10:42pm Mon 15 Mar 10

jjuliangerar, wales

Can you tell me the last time the Royal family slashed and murdered their way to power please???
As for the rest of your article it makes no sense what so ever, rambling garbage to be honest with you! The day that the planet sees "No Wars" then I will also be very happy, unfortunately that is never going to happen!! Unless of course you have the ultimate power to rid the world of all conflict? Magic wand maybe?

sprint1050 says...
9:21am Tue 16 Mar 10

Baldyboy wrote:
jjuliangerar, wales Can you tell me the last time the Royal family slashed and murdered their way to power please??? As for the rest of your article it makes no sense what so ever, rambling garbage to be honest with you! The day that the planet sees "No Wars" then I will also be very happy, unfortunately that is never going to happen!! Unless of course you have the ultimate power to rid the world of all conflict? Magic wand maybe?
Well put.....Why oh why do simpletons allways take the moral high ground & dissaprove of war.....as if we approve!
I find this attitude deeply offensive.I challange this group of people to provide a world wide solution.I'll wager they can't even stop a lout slinging a beer can into their garden,without a dispute!
Grow up,face the realities of being human & have some some sympathy for those who are engaged in the messy business of war in their name.
Please don't wind me up.

panara says...
12:30pm Tue 16 Mar 10

As someone who is opposed to war if there is an alternative way to an answer, I can see why a few people have made that point in these comments. However, those comments when added to the pure vitriol of what they say is a sad reflection of a minority in this country. The true reflection of British people from whatever walk of life was displayed on Sunday in a huge turnout that will be remembered for a long time but still dwarfed by every repatriation that has yet to occur.
I disagree with war but would never sink so low as to criticise young men who are fighting and risking their life's either for our freedom or someone else's freedom.
When I watch a repatriation in the comfort of my warm home I can guarantee a tear will be shed. That is why I rode my bike on Sunday and that tear was there with me, there is a lot of time to think whilst riding.
Fortunately I had the freedom to be allowed to show my support because of sacrifices made in the past by other generations of young fighting men so it would be appreciated if those few critics of Sundays events took a long hard look at themselves before hiding behind a computer to share their inadequacies.
Might I also suggest they take a few minutes to listen to a song I wrote in 1998 called 'Little Tin Soldiers' (The Panara Project), you can find it on youtube, it doesn't cost anything but you might learn a lot especially as the message of the song is that 'everything's a lie until you put an end to war' and yet still we are fighting them, justified or otherwise.
That said I raise a salute to everyone who turned out on Sunday who without a doubt would like war to be only ever used in the past tense but whilst this country is fighting one then I and everyone with a conscience will stand proudly and support the soldiers for the sacrifices they are making so that we can still have our freedoms and choices, even though a few on here abuse that right.

sprint1050 says...
10:43am Wed 17 Mar 10

Thank you moderators for removing that disgusting entry saying that our boys are not brave,as they have 'big guns' ect,ect.
You cannot give the oxygen of publicity to such views.
Thank you.

johnmaclean says...
6:07pm Wed 17 Mar 10

Is this the moderators idea of democracy? When someone questions the definition of the word "brave"
There's been a whole collection of obscene racist messages (not one was removed) Perhaps they're just not up to a free debate with different opinions.
As for little Sprint. What is disgusting about being opposed to illegal and unjust wars. What's wrong with opposing the people who pull the trigger? What's wrong with objecting to a million people being killed for oil? What is your point?

shed says...
9:25pm Wed 17 Mar 10

Eff off you scots tw*t.

Its difficult to describe here the utter contempt I have for the whinging whining Scottish nation.

And please take back that typical scot the mentally unstable meglomaniac Mcbroon who is doing so much damage to this country.
and boil yer heid while you are about it, you porridgewog.

sprint1050 says...
12:56pm Thu 18 Mar 10

johnmaclean wrote:
Is this the moderators idea of democracy? When someone questions the definition of the word "brave" There's been a whole collection of obscene racist messages (not one was removed) Perhaps they're just not up to a free debate with different opinions. As for little Sprint. What is disgusting about being opposed to illegal and unjust wars. What's wrong with opposing the people who pull the trigger? What's wrong with objecting to a million people being killed for oil? What is your point?
johnmaclean..My point(s) is(are)....
1) ANYONE who puts themselves in the firing line is 'brave',& that includes the enemy,the strength of their firepower is irrelevent if their own live is in jeopardy.The placing of road side bombs,booby traps etc is not 'brave'.Suicide bombers are not brave...mental maybe,but not 'brave'.
2)I recall the words 'Vile' & 'Racist' were used also in the post,when critising another,s post,....a bit strong;although I though it very wrong to broad brush the Scottish Nation,just because of you.Still,'racist'is a very vogue word.
3)I have looked back over the posts & cannot find any'obscene racist' posts,which leads me to conclude that a) They have been removed
OR
b) You dreamt it.
4)Why are you debasing our debate by being personal to me ?...are you inadequate?
5) Why is the current war 'illegal'?
6) Why is the current war 'unjust'?
7) By 'the people who pull the trigger'..do you mean our troops,the enemy's fighters or the 'hated goverment'.
8)I'm sorry but I did'nt realise that this war was over oil! Saddam Hussain invaded Kuwait for oil,did you write him a letter? & btw I don't believe the 'UK' got any Iraq oil contracts to speak of!Oh & Saddam did have WMD...Halabja(sp)
My apologies to the bereaved families for countering this post,but I think that our BRAVE troops have other things to do!

7)

johnmaclean says...
6:18pm Thu 18 Mar 10

Sprint. It says a great deal about a person on how they define racism. You've stated that morons like Shed don't send obscene messages. We'll let civilisation decide on that.
It's not a secret that Kuwait was taken away from Iraq. It was set up as a puppet state. To benefit you know who. Ignorance is bliss and some people may believe we liberated Kuwait out of fair play. Intelligent people don't.
You've still not uttered a single word of remorse about the million dead people in Iraq. For some reason the allies don't do a body count of Afghans caught in the "collateral"
The current war is unjust. Every time that Britain's been in Afghanistan it's been unjust and unwinable. They're not there to liberate anyone. It's merely strategic power, potential pipe lines for oil and being a lackey for the USA.
If you think that Saddam had WMD then there's little point in arguing. You're obviously wrong.

sprint1050 says...
6:40pm Thu 18 Mar 10

johnmacleane...Thank you for your attempt to respond.

panara says...
8:57pm Thu 18 Mar 10

Niether people, soldiers or country's start wars, politicians do. Soldiers obey orders, some tragically get killed obeying those orders, many not even agreeing with why they are at war.
Politicians brought the life's of these young men to a premature end and rather than use forums like these to spread your disagreement at why or why not this country is at war, might it be an idea to target your hatred at those politicians responsible, Tony Blair born Edinburgh, Scotland was thye main instigator, vent your anger at him.
Many brave Scots have also died in this war and however much I personally object to the reason we are at war in Afghanistan, we are, and whilst we are everyone of those who are brave enough to go their and fight in that war deserves the support of each and everyone home here which is why I was ridng my bike on Sunday and digging deep into my pockets to help fund necessary needs for those who that same government should be caring for in the aftermath of their decision.
War is wrong whatever but sometimes cannot be avoided, this one should have been avoided but whilst young soldiers are fighting, being maimed for life or dying, whther they be English, Scottish, Welsh or Irish then we owe it to them to fully support them because the next war they could be fighting may be closer to home defending this country and then you will be supporting them I hope. Its easy to be brave behind a computer, but at least target the guilty politicians not those amongst us who feel the need to support British men and women a long way from home doing the hardest job imaginable.

sprint1050 says...
11:22am Fri 19 Mar 10

Johnmacleane...As a matter of FACT may I suggest that you read 'History of Kuwait'...a google search will locate,you will see how that war started,& how we got involved.Your oversimplification does not help.
Saddam Hussain DID have WMD that is how he gassed & killed 5,000 civilians,injured 11,000 more & committed many more thousand to death by complications.
This is separate to the Anfal genocide.
LEST WE FORGET.
Now bearing all this in mind,he continued to claim,threaten & bost that he continued to have WMD & would not,initially, let in WMD inspectors.
On the basis of this,our BRAVE troops had to train & sometimes fight in gas gear.Have you ever tried it?....I suggest you give it a go!
Yes I agree no WMD have been found,but that did'nt 'alter the price of fish'
If you & I were alone in a dark alley,& I said I had a gun in my pocket...would you debate the issue,or present your gun,if you get my drift.
No doubt this debate could run & run,but I think I will give up before you.
LONG LIVE OUR BRAVE TROOPS!

Gavelect says...
2:57pm Fri 19 Mar 10

This would have been an awesome site.

johnmaclean says...
4:08pm Fri 19 Mar 10

Sprint. You predictably refused to say where the chemical weapons came from. Saddam was given arms by Britain and America. Initially this was to help Iraq to defeat Iran. Yet, more devious interference.
Neither you, or anyone else on this blog has shown any sympathy with the hardships faced by Iraqi civilians. Millions have been displaced. It may never be known how many killed by "collateral"
Every time people like you utter Jingoistic rhetoric, you simply encourage a mediocre government to repeat mass murder. They feed off your words.
It's not important where Blair was born, or educated. It's simply that he followed inhumane people like Bush and Rumsfeld. The same people who can create nationalist hysteria.
You're obviously obsessed with "heroes" and not the true victims. There's a simple reason for that...you don't think British and Iraqis are equal.

sprint1050 says...
5:18pm Fri 19 Mar 10

johnmacleane.....I,w
e,are so sorry that you have deduced that we are warmongers & have no feelings for any civilian casualties...how presumptious of you! Please suggest options.I have not 'refused to say where the WMD came from'.....Yes, I agree many tons of raw materials were bought from,Singapore,Nethe
rlands,Egypt,India,W
est Germany....& yes USA,
but these were precursers & not easy to prove 'end use'...But it suits your arguement to say they were supplied as 'weapons' ...as I said before I feel you suffer from 'oversimplification'
& 'the I could run the world better sickness'.I hope you find the Kuwait info. embarasingly informative.

shed says...
7:45pm Fri 19 Mar 10

Maclean I for one do not give a toss about Iraqis,
I think we should have left Saddam alone then we wouldn't be in this position.

I don't give a **** about the middle east and its wretched religous squabbles and beliefs.

just give them the guns and ammo and let them fight it out amongst themselves til they get sick of it all.

I feel more threatened by the Scots than I do Iraqis or Saddam.
After all its your countryman thats responsible for it all.

And no I don't think they are "Equal".

now sod off back to the hell hole thats Glasgow and shut up.

sprint1050 says...
8:46am Sat 20 Mar 10

Well shed...I did think your comments were a wee bit strong...but I laughed my socks off,poor old toothpaste!
Praps his Scottish 'friends' also think he has got it wrong.
Cheers

johnmaclean says...
5:37pm Sat 20 Mar 10

Some things we've learned about little Sprint. He, or she doesn't have a problem with racism. Mediocre in itself.
Also willing to send troops into Iraq, WMD, or not. Willing to march them into deadly combat for people like Bush. Then holds the hands in horror when fatalities arise.
Your over simplification probably comes from watching ITV News and reading the worst kind of tabloid.
It's 2010, but you're in the dark ages, when people went around clubbing each other on the head.

shed says...
5:50pm Sat 20 Mar 10

ah the old loony left chant
Of course its only the white race thats racist

"Some things we've learned about little Sprint. He, or she doesn't have a problem with racism."

Nor do I toothpaste, as far as I am concerned any one that blows up hisself and his neighbours or stones his wife to death or hacks at babies with machetes is much lower down the pecking order of the human race.

Anyway this has nothing to do with the bike ride through Wootton, nor with the heroism of our troops fighting an unnecessary war on behalf of a lying thieving cheat for a population that hates us anyway.

Its just some irritating loony left scots pillock hi-jacking a thread again with the same old tiresome rant because he has sod all to do when once his benefits money has been spent.

It'll be White Lightning instead of Special Brew tonight unless you can scrounge some eh?

gi'us 50p fer a drink then.....
awa' an bile yer heid jimmi

sprint1050 says...
6:16pm Sat 20 Mar 10

macleane....'Willing to march them into deadly combat'...I quote you!
Sooo are you now agreeing that they are 'Brave'..I think 'this is where we came in',as they said in the '50's.

johnmaclean says...
7:08pm Sat 20 Mar 10

The women who've had their entire family wiped out by "collateral" in Afghanistan are "brave"
We have different definitions of that word. There's nothing left wing about opposing unjust wars.
But you want the troops to go in blindly, for the benefit of multinational oil companies, a discredited Bush administration, and the grinning assasin himself.

sprint1050 says...
9:25pm Sat 20 Mar 10

johnmaclean wrote:
The women who've had their entire family wiped out by "collateral" in Afghanistan are "brave" We have different definitions of that word. There's nothing left wing about opposing unjust wars. But you want the troops to go in blindly, for the benefit of multinational oil companies, a discredited Bush administration, and the grinning assasin himself.
There is only one definition of the word 'brave'.....by definition.
Look up the definition of the word 'definition'.
I think you mean 'understanding',but why should I illucidate for you;you are obviously confused,but think you know what you mean,but can't quite get the words right.A poor education perhaps.
The woman that you refer to are very,very unfortunate,but not 'brave'.
As you have implied,our troops are 'brave',as they have volunteered to go into danger,the ladies to whom you refer,sadly have no option...but that does'nt make them 'brave'.
Btw you appear to a pacifist,admirable!H
ow is this ideal state achieved,please explain...& please try not to be rude to me.

shed says...
9:50pm Sun 21 Mar 10

Toothpaste ever thought about a hobby to fill your time up?

other than a hobby horse that is.

god, I detest the scots.

sprint1050 says...
12:02pm Mon 22 Mar 10

It would appear that toothpaste is strong on emotional groundless bluster,& weak on logical debate!


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Bilkers pass through Wootton Bassett

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The convoy passes along the High Street



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