'Yes' vote for Trowbridge cinema bid
12:27am Thursday 16th February 2012 in News Exclusive By Mike Wilkinson, Senior Reporter
The proposed cinema and leisure complex at St Stephen's Place
A cinema and leisure complex planned for the derelict St Stephen's Place site in Trowbridge has been given the go-ahead.
Councillors gave planning permission to the scheme which would see an Odeon cinema, an 80-bed Premier Inn and several restaurants built on the former Tesco site.
The plan was criticised for a lack of parking spaces but was still approved after a lengthy debate.
Tim Russell, from Legal and General Property, who own the site, said: "This will transform a site which is currently a blot on the Trowbridge landscape."
Within the next month an application for a rival cinema and entertainment complex at the former Bowyers pork pie factory, off Stallard Street, will also be decided upon.
For the full story and analysis see this Friday's Wiltshire Times.
Comments(40)
PCS_Wilts
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9:21am Thu 16 Feb 12
The Bowyers site has not been ear marked for leisure so it is unlikely to be approved. We also have to wait for the outcome of surveys that have yet to be completed by Prorsus. These could dampen any hopes of planning along with the damning highways survey - so I wouldn't hold your breath - even if Odeon did pull out Cineworld would almost certainly sign up, thus giving even more incentive for Odeon to carry through. Atlast something positive for Trowbridge and this also sends a positive signal to any other would be investors or developers who maybe looking at Trowbridge.
AMVanquish007
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9:56am Thu 16 Feb 12
I was at this meeting. I knew it was a foregone conclusion that it would have to be passed.You cannot really turn the scheme down and as i have said before on this post-HAD THIS SCHEME BEEN JUST THE CINEMA WITH 400 DEDICATED BARRIERED SPACES I WOULD NOT BE OBJECTING. But i really did emphasise the chronic lack of car parking that will result if it does go ahead. What i mean by that is, that i sincerely hope that no stonewalling/no blocks/or anything is put in the way of the Bowyers Cineworld development with its adequate 550 car parking if its presented at next months planning meeting.
I urge the councillors to do like they did last night and pass this scheme too. It is 10 times better than the St Stephens place site for car parking.In my capacity of working for a few multiplex cinema operators I have personally stood and observed whats happened outside various new multiplexes around the country on their opening nights. Some of these places where i went, were large towns that had not had a cinema for ages. You cannot possibly underestimate what i saw when these cinemas opened. People in hundreds of cars just descended on the car park. A few of these cinemas were 6/7 and 8 plexes. I urge some councillors and planners to make a journey to Vue Longwell Green/Cribbs Causeway or Swindons Empire on a holiday date to witness the car numbers. Because what I heard from some of them regarding expected traffic levels and expected attendances over the course of a day was complete and utter nonsense obviously basing their theories on just Trowbridge when in fact this cinema will draw from as far away as Bruton/Radstock/Devi
zes/up to Chippenham and south of Warminster.It just beggars belief such naivety regarding a modern 21st century multiplex.
I urge the councillors to do like they did last night and pass this scheme too. It is 10 times better than the St Stephens place site for car parking.In my capacity of working for a few multiplex cinema operators I have personally stood and observed whats happened outside various new multiplexes around the country on their opening nights. Some of these places where i went, were large towns that had not had a cinema for ages. You cannot possibly underestimate what i saw when these cinemas opened. People in hundreds of cars just descended on the car park. A few of these cinemas were 6/7 and 8 plexes. I urge some councillors and planners to make a journey to Vue Longwell Green/Cribbs Causeway or Swindons Empire on a holiday date to witness the car numbers. Because what I heard from some of them regarding expected traffic levels and expected attendances over the course of a day was complete and utter nonsense obviously basing their theories on just Trowbridge when in fact this cinema will draw from as far away as Bruton/Radstock/Devi
zes/up to Chippenham and south of Warminster.It just beggars belief such naivety regarding a modern 21st century multiplex.
PCS_Wilts
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10:43am Thu 16 Feb 12
@AMvanquish007
Actually the Bowyers site would have adequate car parking for Morrison's Customers and not dedicated to the cinema as a whole - I'm also sure that if any Morrison's customers complained they could not get a parking space at any time Morrison's would introduce some sort of scheme to give their customers priority to spaces. I was also at the meeting last night and may I remark that your outburst towards the Odeon representative was disgusting. Oh and your facial expressions during the meeting were hilarious. Please inform me of any future meetings you will be attending as I was most amused.
Parking is not as big an issue as most people think and time will tell. In my opinion the Prorsus plans will not even contain plans for a cinema by the time it gets heard by the committee.
Actually the Bowyers site would have adequate car parking for Morrison's Customers and not dedicated to the cinema as a whole - I'm also sure that if any Morrison's customers complained they could not get a parking space at any time Morrison's would introduce some sort of scheme to give their customers priority to spaces. I was also at the meeting last night and may I remark that your outburst towards the Odeon representative was disgusting. Oh and your facial expressions during the meeting were hilarious. Please inform me of any future meetings you will be attending as I was most amused.
Parking is not as big an issue as most people think and time will tell. In my opinion the Prorsus plans will not even contain plans for a cinema by the time it gets heard by the committee.
AMVanquish007
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12:37pm Thu 16 Feb 12
PCS-I am so glad you did find me amusing and if my facial expresssions were indicative of some rubbish i was hearing then i make no apologies.
As for the Odeon representative who I have had letters passed with in the Wiltshire Times, i felt really strongly about the fact that it was implied they were going into market towns and acquiring sites and mentioned places like Andover and Newark.These cinemas he quoted were built years ago by REEL cinemas. All Odeon have done is to purchase a group of new cinemas built and run by KC Sauri's cinema chain REEL from Loughborough to up their market share. They didnt do any groundwork in building these cinemas whatsoever and have probably purchased them on the results of their box office. That is why you witnessed my outburst which i consider justified.And just to prove this -see for yourself on this website
http://www.ukcinemas
.org.uk/cinengland.h
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When you build a cinema of 7 or 8 screens the policy of the cinema operator is to undertake a thorough investigation of the catchment.As far as I can see it has been left to L and G to convince Odeon of the fact that everything will be alright regarding the car parking. Anybody building a multiplex in Trowbridge will know theres a possible catchment in the area of 150000-200000 people. In fact we are one of the only places left in the country where 5 towns do not have a commercial cinema in such a large area. I can only assume that Odeon is pretty worried about the lack of car parking but will not admit it as they are protecting their 8 plex in Bath and their Grade 2 listed 5 plex old build cinema in Salisbury and quite rightly so. If Cineworld have proposed their 8 plex of 1442seats they are confident of the catchment and anticipate the cinema will do 750000 admissions a year minimum. You can do the maths PCS as to what that will mean regarding traffic volumes-something i reiterated with my example of the old Europa Cinemas. Unfortunately 3 minutes to speak is not enough-5 minutes would have been better to complete my script but as you heard I had to rush and abbreviate. But let me just quote a relevant bit in its entirety which sums it up
" In 1976 I remember going to the twin europa cinemas on top of the multi storey car park comprising 186 seats each
'Jaws' was playing in one, 'The Towering Inferno' in the other which I went to at 330pm.
All perfs that week were sold out for both the 186 seaters and the internet didnt exist then.I believe there was also a major event on in the civic hall . I clearly remember the multi storey car park rammed with workers and shoppers cars on my way in at 3pm.I remember the supermarket chain Fine Fare was there at the time. When I came out at 730pm I witnessed one woman complaining at the box office she couldnt find a place to park and missed the start wanting a refund .On leaving I saw many cars and frustrated drivers trying to find spaces for the dinner/dance at the civic hall and cinemas. Traffic was out to the roundabout -all feeder roads in were at a standstill.
What has changed in 2012-Nothing apart from no cinema currently.
The proposed 7 plex 1230 seater is 3 times the size of the Europa".How on earth is this going to accomodate the numbers of cars that are going to come is beyond belief.
Legal and General may have a large property portfolio but the majority is in cities -not market towns.I find it hard to understand where theyve got their information from re traffic.
if there is no cinema in an area such as West Wiltshire -you just cannot use the current stats of road traffic to determine a new cinemas impact-
ive never seen one correct yet as to understand the habits of the cinema going public in their cars.
Ive witnessed a planning departments anticipated 150 cars that were going to be turning up at this one cinema i looked after. But because a certain film had a huge advertising spend the 175 seat car park could not cope. In the local newspaper the following week it had been determined nearly 350 cars had turned up trying to find spaces for the evening shows.It is why I again reiterate that any of the two sites be it the Odeon or Cineworld, will not just be foot traffic sites, they will be drawing from miles away and especially by car and not by bike or boat that was amusingly mentioned.
I found it appalling at the meeting last night that there was scant disregard for the workers and shoppers who currently use the multi storey-You should know PCS it is still rammed daily by 9am and will be in 2013 even before a cinema opens.
The young lady who bravely defended her hotel was quite right and objected quite well.
There is not one occasion that I have stayed at a Premier Inn or Travelodge around the country where it has been empty. They have been full to capacity with builders and reps, so you can kiss goodbye to 80 of the extra 111 car spaces early morning before a cinema opens too and early evening as reps try to get space .If my facial expressions warranted it -then so be it. Sometimes you have to be vocal and visual to get what is reality outside of Wiltshire across. Im glad I had the opportunity to speak-somebodys got to stand up and show their experience counts.
I may not be the most articulate in public but you can be assured that i will stand up to get the best for Trowbridge when it comes to a cinema.So roll on the Bowyers Cineworld development. It wont be a moment too soon
As for the Odeon representative who I have had letters passed with in the Wiltshire Times, i felt really strongly about the fact that it was implied they were going into market towns and acquiring sites and mentioned places like Andover and Newark.These cinemas he quoted were built years ago by REEL cinemas. All Odeon have done is to purchase a group of new cinemas built and run by KC Sauri's cinema chain REEL from Loughborough to up their market share. They didnt do any groundwork in building these cinemas whatsoever and have probably purchased them on the results of their box office. That is why you witnessed my outburst which i consider justified.And just to prove this -see for yourself on this website
http://www.ukcinemas
.org.uk/cinengland.h
tml-
When you build a cinema of 7 or 8 screens the policy of the cinema operator is to undertake a thorough investigation of the catchment.As far as I can see it has been left to L and G to convince Odeon of the fact that everything will be alright regarding the car parking. Anybody building a multiplex in Trowbridge will know theres a possible catchment in the area of 150000-200000 people. In fact we are one of the only places left in the country where 5 towns do not have a commercial cinema in such a large area. I can only assume that Odeon is pretty worried about the lack of car parking but will not admit it as they are protecting their 8 plex in Bath and their Grade 2 listed 5 plex old build cinema in Salisbury and quite rightly so. If Cineworld have proposed their 8 plex of 1442seats they are confident of the catchment and anticipate the cinema will do 750000 admissions a year minimum. You can do the maths PCS as to what that will mean regarding traffic volumes-something i reiterated with my example of the old Europa Cinemas. Unfortunately 3 minutes to speak is not enough-5 minutes would have been better to complete my script but as you heard I had to rush and abbreviate. But let me just quote a relevant bit in its entirety which sums it up
" In 1976 I remember going to the twin europa cinemas on top of the multi storey car park comprising 186 seats each
'Jaws' was playing in one, 'The Towering Inferno' in the other which I went to at 330pm.
All perfs that week were sold out for both the 186 seaters and the internet didnt exist then.I believe there was also a major event on in the civic hall . I clearly remember the multi storey car park rammed with workers and shoppers cars on my way in at 3pm.I remember the supermarket chain Fine Fare was there at the time. When I came out at 730pm I witnessed one woman complaining at the box office she couldnt find a place to park and missed the start wanting a refund .On leaving I saw many cars and frustrated drivers trying to find spaces for the dinner/dance at the civic hall and cinemas. Traffic was out to the roundabout -all feeder roads in were at a standstill.
What has changed in 2012-Nothing apart from no cinema currently.
The proposed 7 plex 1230 seater is 3 times the size of the Europa".How on earth is this going to accomodate the numbers of cars that are going to come is beyond belief.
Legal and General may have a large property portfolio but the majority is in cities -not market towns.I find it hard to understand where theyve got their information from re traffic.
if there is no cinema in an area such as West Wiltshire -you just cannot use the current stats of road traffic to determine a new cinemas impact-
ive never seen one correct yet as to understand the habits of the cinema going public in their cars.
Ive witnessed a planning departments anticipated 150 cars that were going to be turning up at this one cinema i looked after. But because a certain film had a huge advertising spend the 175 seat car park could not cope. In the local newspaper the following week it had been determined nearly 350 cars had turned up trying to find spaces for the evening shows.It is why I again reiterate that any of the two sites be it the Odeon or Cineworld, will not just be foot traffic sites, they will be drawing from miles away and especially by car and not by bike or boat that was amusingly mentioned.
I found it appalling at the meeting last night that there was scant disregard for the workers and shoppers who currently use the multi storey-You should know PCS it is still rammed daily by 9am and will be in 2013 even before a cinema opens.
The young lady who bravely defended her hotel was quite right and objected quite well.
There is not one occasion that I have stayed at a Premier Inn or Travelodge around the country where it has been empty. They have been full to capacity with builders and reps, so you can kiss goodbye to 80 of the extra 111 car spaces early morning before a cinema opens too and early evening as reps try to get space .If my facial expressions warranted it -then so be it. Sometimes you have to be vocal and visual to get what is reality outside of Wiltshire across. Im glad I had the opportunity to speak-somebodys got to stand up and show their experience counts.
I may not be the most articulate in public but you can be assured that i will stand up to get the best for Trowbridge when it comes to a cinema.So roll on the Bowyers Cineworld development. It wont be a moment too soon
New 2 Trow
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1:05pm Thu 16 Feb 12
Yawn
PCS_Wilts
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1:50pm Thu 16 Feb 12
@AMVanquish007
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AMVanquish007
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3:23pm Thu 16 Feb 12
Don't worry. I'm not expecting an apology from you or anybody if after it opens and it's proven that everything I said was correct. I'll just wait for the article the Wiltshire Times WILL write backing up the salient points I've raised over the last six months. I can't wait.
PCS_Wilts
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4:04pm Thu 16 Feb 12
@AMVanquish007
I'll make a bet with you now that the Bowyers site will not have a cinema of any description.
I'll make a bet with you now that the Bowyers site will not have a cinema of any description.
AMVanquish007
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6:33pm Thu 16 Feb 12
I suggest you have a chat with Prorsus. They may or may not enlighten you about the situation. If the general public on facebook or on a certain political partys website are voting 90% in favour of Bowyers and Cineworld, this cannot be ignored by 12 councillors on a planning committee. As Peter Fuller said last night some councillors may be thinking about the next election and re-election. The St Stephens Place development may have been passed last night but you cannot pull the wool over the eyes of people who live around here and who have cars and know the problems faced at the multi storey. They are the Big Society and their time has come and I am one of them. If I feel and know from experience a site is better than the other I will shout it from the rooftops. I can tell you now if there is any stonewalling, backhanded dealing or unreasonable coercion going on to prevent a perfectly legitimate rival development from being considered including a rival cinema chain I will be going for the jugular on this one. And just to clarify one thing , I am not in the employ of either Prorsus or Cineworld. I am doing this off my own back. Once you've lived,breathed and worked in Cinema especially in the head office positions I have been in, then all you want is the best. I'm glad I've worked in that industry , it's given me a grounding and knowledge no one else in
Trowbridge has. And that's
saying something. As you seem to know it all PCS perhaps you should
write a letter to Mike Wilkinson at the Wiltshire Times explaining
how you know and appear to be so confident that a cinema will not be on
the Bowyers site. It will be most enlightening.
Trowbridge has. And that's
saying something. As you seem to know it all PCS perhaps you should
write a letter to Mike Wilkinson at the Wiltshire Times explaining
how you know and appear to be so confident that a cinema will not be on
the Bowyers site. It will be most enlightening.
PCS_Wilts
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9:06am Fri 17 Feb 12
Firstly if you think there's an issue with traffic at the multi storey would you give me your thoughts on the highways report which estimates an additional 225 vehicles per hour passing the roundabout at the train station if the Bowyers site goes ahead. Secondly look at what usage the planning office has allocated the Bowyers site for - NO MIXED USE - Especially leisure - NO A3,4 OR 5 licensing. How do you propose to have restaurants on contaminated land - even the the supermarket is proposed to be built on stilts above the contamination. Its going to be very tough to get current proposals approved!!!
D@ve
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10:36am Fri 17 Feb 12
@PCS_Wilts
I think you are showing how narrow minded you are being here. When you refer to the development plan that no A3, A4 and A5 you are looking at a development plan that is 10 to 15 years out of date. Also I'm sure you'll be aware that a mixed used development was already permitted for this site two years ago, so you're talking nonsense.
Also how closely are you tracking the application? There are several motions in place to address the traffic, including removing the roundabout for a signal controlled junction, removing the access road to Station Approach and also the remodelling of the Shires Gateway - Which to be frank the councillors that passed this should be shot! (not literally).
Food for thought, please see the following public opinion.
Current Facebook poll - Ongoing
Innox Riverside - 34 votes 75.5%
St Stephens Place - 11 Votes 24.2%
Total - 45
Previous Facebook poll - Ended Jan
Innox Riverside - 231 votes 70.6%
St Stephens Place - 96 votes 29.4%
Total - 327
Poll on Trevor Carbin's website (http://swwiltshirel
ibdems.org.uk/en/)
Innox Riverside - 67 votes 89%
St Stephens Place - 8 votes 11%
Total - 42
Trowbridge and District Chamber of Commerce results from polled members
Innox Riverside - 11 votes 73%
St Stephens Place - 4 votes 27%
Total - 15
As you can see, four separate votes and all show a similar pattern, can you accept that the People of Trowbridge do not want the St Stephens Place development.
Also you may of noted that AFTER the vote was passed on SSP - Odeon only at that point stated that they have not yet signed up. L&G and Odeon misled the who planning department, believing that contracts were signed.
I think you are showing how narrow minded you are being here. When you refer to the development plan that no A3, A4 and A5 you are looking at a development plan that is 10 to 15 years out of date. Also I'm sure you'll be aware that a mixed used development was already permitted for this site two years ago, so you're talking nonsense.
Also how closely are you tracking the application? There are several motions in place to address the traffic, including removing the roundabout for a signal controlled junction, removing the access road to Station Approach and also the remodelling of the Shires Gateway - Which to be frank the councillors that passed this should be shot! (not literally).
Food for thought, please see the following public opinion.
Current Facebook poll - Ongoing
Innox Riverside - 34 votes 75.5%
St Stephens Place - 11 Votes 24.2%
Total - 45
Previous Facebook poll - Ended Jan
Innox Riverside - 231 votes 70.6%
St Stephens Place - 96 votes 29.4%
Total - 327
Poll on Trevor Carbin's website (http://swwiltshirel
ibdems.org.uk/en/)
Innox Riverside - 67 votes 89%
St Stephens Place - 8 votes 11%
Total - 42
Trowbridge and District Chamber of Commerce results from polled members
Innox Riverside - 11 votes 73%
St Stephens Place - 4 votes 27%
Total - 15
As you can see, four separate votes and all show a similar pattern, can you accept that the People of Trowbridge do not want the St Stephens Place development.
Also you may of noted that AFTER the vote was passed on SSP - Odeon only at that point stated that they have not yet signed up. L&G and Odeon misled the who planning department, believing that contracts were signed.
ellliotluke
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10:40am Fri 17 Feb 12
Once again it seems back-handers could be involved in the council passing the far inferior Odeon complex, with its obvious lack of parking. Now its been passed we now have the representative of the proposed complex, throwing his toys out of the pram, and threatning to pull out if the Bowyers plans are approved. Good, i hope they are approved, and Odeon pull out, thus leaving the site that most people i have spoken to want, and if the councillers agree to his demands, it will show how this council has their own intrests at heart and not the public they perport to represent, as with the town hall, and civic hall!!
New 2 Trow
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11:01am Fri 17 Feb 12
AMVanquish007 - salient points? I doubt anyone read all your post let alone picked out the main points!
D@VE, I dont think you can base the entire views of the people on Trowbridge on surverys which less than 500 people have participated in.
D@VE, I dont think you can base the entire views of the people on Trowbridge on surverys which less than 500 people have participated in.
PCS_Wilts
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1:31pm Fri 17 Feb 12
D@ve wrote:The point still remains that planned usage is still not what the land is ear marked for - your polls differ to a poll I conducted myself so that's just a matter of opinion. I was at the planning meeting and Odeon stated they were looking to sign a contract by the end of the month in their statement to the committee - so not misleading at all. The traffic on Stallards road is currently a joke and traffic lights aren't going to solve that now, let alone with additional traffic projected by highways. There are alot of assumptions regards this planning application - L&G did their ground work before entering their application which is exactly why that has already been passed - no other reason. It's sour grapes on the part of anyone who says differently.
@PCS_Wilts
I think you are showing how narrow minded you are being here. When you refer to the development plan that no A3, A4 and A5 you are looking at a development plan that is 10 to 15 years out of date. Also I'm sure you'll be aware that a mixed used development was already permitted for this site two years ago, so you're talking nonsense.
Also how closely are you tracking the application? There are several motions in place to address the traffic, including removing the roundabout for a signal controlled junction, removing the access road to Station Approach and also the remodelling of the Shires Gateway - Which to be frank the councillors that passed this should be shot! (not literally).
Food for thought, please see the following public opinion.
Current Facebook poll - Ongoing
Innox Riverside - 34 votes 75.5%
St Stephens Place - 11 Votes 24.2%
Total - 45
Previous Facebook poll - Ended Jan
Innox Riverside - 231 votes 70.6%
St Stephens Place - 96 votes 29.4%
Total - 327
Poll on Trevor Carbin's website (http://swwiltshirel
ibdems.org.uk/en/)
Innox Riverside - 67 votes 89%
St Stephens Place - 8 votes 11%
Total - 42
Trowbridge and District Chamber of Commerce results from polled members
Innox Riverside - 11 votes 73%
St Stephens Place - 4 votes 27%
Total - 15
As you can see, four separate votes and all show a similar pattern, can you accept that the People of Trowbridge do not want the St Stephens Place development.
Also you may of noted that AFTER the vote was passed on SSP - Odeon only at that point stated that they have not yet signed up. L&G and Odeon misled the who planning department, believing that contracts were signed.
D@ve
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2:27pm Fri 17 Feb 12
@PCS_Wilts
Again you give a political answer without addressing the points raised.
Why are planners still looking to adopt a master plan that is 15 years out of date, the Shires Gateway was also in the same document as employment / industry, not shops, the shifts have changed, yet you decided to hide behind this.
You also continually to talk about the traffic, this is one area I have not raised objections, for both sites as they are equal in terms of traffic issues they will cause. Foe example, you can already find queues of traffic up to the top of County Way and backed all along past Tesco due to the congestion caused by the Longfield roundabout, so your points raised about the traffic are irrelevant.
I would also like to say that the polls (open to all of the public), are four different polls, through 3 different media and communication sources, neither of them have anything to do with me.
I would also like to see your results and the evidence to back them up, should make interesting reading.
Now may I suggest why SSP got the go ahead... Maybe it's due to the new civic centre and not wanting a bomb site next to it, disregarding public opinion and it being the poorer scheme. Just a thought.
Again you give a political answer without addressing the points raised.
Why are planners still looking to adopt a master plan that is 15 years out of date, the Shires Gateway was also in the same document as employment / industry, not shops, the shifts have changed, yet you decided to hide behind this.
You also continually to talk about the traffic, this is one area I have not raised objections, for both sites as they are equal in terms of traffic issues they will cause. Foe example, you can already find queues of traffic up to the top of County Way and backed all along past Tesco due to the congestion caused by the Longfield roundabout, so your points raised about the traffic are irrelevant.
I would also like to say that the polls (open to all of the public), are four different polls, through 3 different media and communication sources, neither of them have anything to do with me.
I would also like to see your results and the evidence to back them up, should make interesting reading.
Now may I suggest why SSP got the go ahead... Maybe it's due to the new civic centre and not wanting a bomb site next to it, disregarding public opinion and it being the poorer scheme. Just a thought.
PCS_Wilts
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4:14pm Fri 17 Feb 12
This is same old same old - surely the main reason is investment and regeneration in Trowbridge. Lets be honest Morrison's jumped onto the Cinema bandwagon just to ensure they got their supermarket in Trowbridge which is all they are interested in. I can back this up in a number of ways - firstly they rushed to buy the Bowyers land and threw incomplete plans into the planning office. They have yet to complete various surveys - one of which is being held up by hibernating bats. At a recent meeting with traders the Morrison's rep was asked why they wanted to come to Trowbridge - his response was "Tesco are taking a million and a half a week - we want some of that pie" - No suggestion of what they could offer the people of Trowbridge - just what they wanted to take.
The L&G plans encompass the cinema as a whole and I personally would be more concerned about Prorsus delivering a cinema rather than L&G. I take on board your point about how the planning office allocate land and to a point I agree - maybe I should have been more clear - at the planning meeting for the St Stephens site - councillors scrutinised this issue and so I feel they will do the same with Bowyers site.
The L&G plans encompass the cinema as a whole and I personally would be more concerned about Prorsus delivering a cinema rather than L&G. I take on board your point about how the planning office allocate land and to a point I agree - maybe I should have been more clear - at the planning meeting for the St Stephens site - councillors scrutinised this issue and so I feel they will do the same with Bowyers site.
D@ve
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4:19pm Fri 17 Feb 12
I take your points in, but surely the reason every company wants to open here is to do with profit, Mossisions are no different to the Odeon and Premier Inn in that aspect.
Granted there may be delays in some of the application, but as a while Innox Riverside offers a much more pleasant cinema and dining experience.
The best result is to give both the go ahead and lets see what one actually gets delivered. Going by what Odeon have said time and time again, you'd be a silly person to put your money on that scheme.
Granted there may be delays in some of the application, but as a while Innox Riverside offers a much more pleasant cinema and dining experience.
The best result is to give both the go ahead and lets see what one actually gets delivered. Going by what Odeon have said time and time again, you'd be a silly person to put your money on that scheme.
PCS_Wilts
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4:35pm Fri 17 Feb 12
D@ve wrote:I'm not so sure Morrison's will need the cinema in their plans anymore. The council aren't stupid enough to agree both, but they will be keen to see the Bowyers site developed. I'm pretty sure Morrison's will be equally happy to have just the supermarket and petrol station. That will just leave the issue of what to do with the listed buildings - commercial and or private rentals I suspect. In terms of the Bowyers site being a more pleasant experience - let me see - railway line on one side - river on the other - or river on one side and the peoples park on the other? Are you sure?
I take your points in, but surely the reason every company wants to open here is to do with profit, Mossisions are no different to the Odeon and Premier Inn in that aspect.
Granted there may be delays in some of the application, but as a while Innox Riverside offers a much more pleasant cinema and dining experience.
The best result is to give both the go ahead and lets see what one actually gets delivered. Going by what Odeon have said time and time again, you'd be a silly person to put your money on that scheme.
mazzer76
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6:06pm Fri 17 Feb 12
Odeon say they have not signed any contract and will throw their toys out of the pram, basically trying to bribe the Council and influence decision making they don't live in this town we do, I want the 400 jobs Prorsus is offering for this town, I want a Cinema don't care who as long as I can park somewhere for free, I want a Morrisons the one in Chippenham is better than Tesco Trowbridge, Supermarket competion is good thats why I shop in all of them for cheaper priced goods.
There is public support for the Bowyers site that can't be overlooked by bullying tactics and bribes.
Well done Prorus for not lowering yourself to that standard.
There is public support for the Bowyers site that can't be overlooked by bullying tactics and bribes.
Well done Prorus for not lowering yourself to that standard.
have-my-say
says...
8:23pm Fri 17 Feb 12
Ok guys, why oh why is there not an advertised petition that can be signed to support Prorsus development.
Maybe before the Planners make a decision the should read the site Transforming Trowbridge?!! heres the link: http://www.transform
ingtrowbridge.org.uk
/wp-content/uploads/
2011/05/Trowbridge-V
ision-report-FINAL-L
OW-RES-update-18aug1
02.pdf
It seems that Innox Riverside delivers on this?!!
Trowbridges future rely's on these planners granting permission for any development that is going to regenerate any area, into a place that both residents and others are going to make the journey to. This will bring back retailers old and new, fill empty units and shops, bring jobs, bring vibrancy back to a town that is verging on closure!
Yes it will bring more traffic, and maybe just maybe planning can be granted subject to these issues being addressed, Bath seems to have coped with Southgate??? Doh, please shut up about traffic, traffic is what happens in a busy town and we are the county town so if you dont want to come in dont!!! Do you not go to bath because of traffic?? NO, do you not go to Salisbury/Swindon/St
reet outlet village or any day out because of traffic - NO! We moan but hey that's how it is, horse and cart went along with the pigeon post!!!
We have seen many ideas advertised and fail, less than a year ago I was at a council meeting that said that there was no significant interest from any party to begin work in Trowbridge, then, we have two. Just **** well go with it!!! We are supposed to be the county town, lets put that into practice and give the residents something to be happy about.
We all want Trowbridge to be an enjoyable place to live, to be able to say you live here without being embarrassed, to have of a choice places to eat, have a glass of wine, coffee. I want a choice of supermarkets, have any of you shopped in Morrisons or have to budget for a family, if you did you would know the Morrisons would hit Tesco for six! Tesco's have it all, not only the only large supermarket in town we have an express on every corner!! Maybe we should change the Town signs to Trowbridge - County town of Tesco's!
Odeon have not signed, they are going to make a decision in the next month?!! Is that after the Western Area Commitee decision on Innox Riverside, they should be made to make their decision prior to any decision for sure. Cineworld have signed to the other development, I feel really sorry for all the small hoteliers and B&B's in the surronding area that are now looking at a bleak future.
Please can someone either explain how I can start a petition to support the Innox riverside development, or start one and send me link, I can assure you I can get plenty of support, I would also like to know if public can go to the decision meeting and when this takes place, trust me we will be there in force.
We should be having our say on what we want for our town, not some planners who most probably live in quaint villages with a couple of acres and drive 3.2 litre range rovers, never use the facilities of Trowbridge but have the power to end this town for good!!! Their past performance on what they have allowed to pass in planning speaks for itself!
Lets all stand up and please be heard!!
Thankyou for reading my views, I am only a mere resident, I could ramble on at you about numbers, A3 A4, section bla bla, but trust me I just want the views of the majority of Trowbridge residents to be read and hopefully heard!
Maybe before the Planners make a decision the should read the site Transforming Trowbridge?!! heres the link: http://www.transform
ingtrowbridge.org.uk
/wp-content/uploads/
2011/05/Trowbridge-V
ision-report-FINAL-L
OW-RES-update-18aug1
02.pdf
It seems that Innox Riverside delivers on this?!!
Trowbridges future rely's on these planners granting permission for any development that is going to regenerate any area, into a place that both residents and others are going to make the journey to. This will bring back retailers old and new, fill empty units and shops, bring jobs, bring vibrancy back to a town that is verging on closure!
Yes it will bring more traffic, and maybe just maybe planning can be granted subject to these issues being addressed, Bath seems to have coped with Southgate??? Doh, please shut up about traffic, traffic is what happens in a busy town and we are the county town so if you dont want to come in dont!!! Do you not go to bath because of traffic?? NO, do you not go to Salisbury/Swindon/St
reet outlet village or any day out because of traffic - NO! We moan but hey that's how it is, horse and cart went along with the pigeon post!!!
We have seen many ideas advertised and fail, less than a year ago I was at a council meeting that said that there was no significant interest from any party to begin work in Trowbridge, then, we have two. Just **** well go with it!!! We are supposed to be the county town, lets put that into practice and give the residents something to be happy about.
We all want Trowbridge to be an enjoyable place to live, to be able to say you live here without being embarrassed, to have of a choice places to eat, have a glass of wine, coffee. I want a choice of supermarkets, have any of you shopped in Morrisons or have to budget for a family, if you did you would know the Morrisons would hit Tesco for six! Tesco's have it all, not only the only large supermarket in town we have an express on every corner!! Maybe we should change the Town signs to Trowbridge - County town of Tesco's!
Odeon have not signed, they are going to make a decision in the next month?!! Is that after the Western Area Commitee decision on Innox Riverside, they should be made to make their decision prior to any decision for sure. Cineworld have signed to the other development, I feel really sorry for all the small hoteliers and B&B's in the surronding area that are now looking at a bleak future.
Please can someone either explain how I can start a petition to support the Innox riverside development, or start one and send me link, I can assure you I can get plenty of support, I would also like to know if public can go to the decision meeting and when this takes place, trust me we will be there in force.
We should be having our say on what we want for our town, not some planners who most probably live in quaint villages with a couple of acres and drive 3.2 litre range rovers, never use the facilities of Trowbridge but have the power to end this town for good!!! Their past performance on what they have allowed to pass in planning speaks for itself!
Lets all stand up and please be heard!!
Thankyou for reading my views, I am only a mere resident, I could ramble on at you about numbers, A3 A4, section bla bla, but trust me I just want the views of the majority of Trowbridge residents to be read and hopefully heard!
AMVanquish007
says...
9:27pm Fri 17 Feb 12
Well done have-my-say-/Mazzer and D@ve. All the points you 3 have raised are superb and I really hope you all get to the planning meeting when it happens to voice these and give Innox riverside the support it needs.
Have my say - have a word with Angus Horner at Prorsus . You can go down to Bowyers security office and they will give you his number. I will be right behind you regarding a poll of Trowbridge and which of the 2 developments people want. That said I am sure MORI the pollsters, would after seeing as small a sample but conducted 4 times would definitely see a trend which you have to be aware of PCS.
Oh and just for your information Morrisons don't own the site Prorsus does. It is they who invested in the site and invited Morrisons and I believe as part of the scheme they will sort out the contamination.
That didn't stop the Millenium dome being constructed on an old contaminated gas site. Now that it's the O2 centre with restaurants, shops a 14 screen cinema and a huge arena your argument about not being able to build on the Bowyers site seems rather purile and somewhat insignificant.
And finally new 2 Trowbridge yes people have read my posts over the last 6 months both on here and on the letters page of the newspapers. Nearly every single person who has either written ,rang or passed me in the street have all said they prefer the Bowyers site. I have had one person who preferred the St Stephens site but after 10 minutes chatting to me was rather taken aback about the financing of cinemas. This completely changed his tune. Anyway
Mike Wilkinson at the WT knows who
I am and has all the correspondence I
have written to hand and all my points that I raised and aired.
Anyway Steve Weiner the CEO of Cineworld has committed to Trowbridge a 1442 seater that is the largest I have seen for a Market town. This man along with Chuck Wesocky and Millard Ochs started building these new multiplexes in 1985. Weiner is one of the most highly regarded men in UK cinemas and is an industry patriarch. He has overseen the building of hundreds of multiplexes.It would be a very stupid individual to question his reasons for coming to Trowbridge. The integrity of this man is second to none. I hope the planners and councillors take note of this when making their decision about the Bowyers site.
Have my say - have a word with Angus Horner at Prorsus . You can go down to Bowyers security office and they will give you his number. I will be right behind you regarding a poll of Trowbridge and which of the 2 developments people want. That said I am sure MORI the pollsters, would after seeing as small a sample but conducted 4 times would definitely see a trend which you have to be aware of PCS.
Oh and just for your information Morrisons don't own the site Prorsus does. It is they who invested in the site and invited Morrisons and I believe as part of the scheme they will sort out the contamination.
That didn't stop the Millenium dome being constructed on an old contaminated gas site. Now that it's the O2 centre with restaurants, shops a 14 screen cinema and a huge arena your argument about not being able to build on the Bowyers site seems rather purile and somewhat insignificant.
And finally new 2 Trowbridge yes people have read my posts over the last 6 months both on here and on the letters page of the newspapers. Nearly every single person who has either written ,rang or passed me in the street have all said they prefer the Bowyers site. I have had one person who preferred the St Stephens site but after 10 minutes chatting to me was rather taken aback about the financing of cinemas. This completely changed his tune. Anyway
Mike Wilkinson at the WT knows who
I am and has all the correspondence I
have written to hand and all my points that I raised and aired.
Anyway Steve Weiner the CEO of Cineworld has committed to Trowbridge a 1442 seater that is the largest I have seen for a Market town. This man along with Chuck Wesocky and Millard Ochs started building these new multiplexes in 1985. Weiner is one of the most highly regarded men in UK cinemas and is an industry patriarch. He has overseen the building of hundreds of multiplexes.It would be a very stupid individual to question his reasons for coming to Trowbridge. The integrity of this man is second to none. I hope the planners and councillors take note of this when making their decision about the Bowyers site.
PCS_Wilts
says...
9:54am Sat 18 Feb 12
mazzer76 wrote:lame
Odeon say they have not signed any contract and will throw their toys out of the pram, basically trying to bribe the Council and influence decision making they don't live in this town we do, I want the 400 jobs Prorsus is offering for this town, I want a Cinema don't care who as long as I can park somewhere for free, I want a Morrisons the one in Chippenham is better than Tesco Trowbridge, Supermarket competion is good thats why I shop in all of them for cheaper priced goods.
There is public support for the Bowyers site that can't be overlooked by bullying tactics and bribes.
Well done Prorus for not lowering yourself to that standard.
Beardy Mike
says...
10:22am Sat 18 Feb 12
I look forward to seeing the SSP site start to develop. it will be nice to have an Odeon, and the Premier Inn is another awesome bonus.
I posted on a previous article a while ago. having read all these posts, on many articles; I still prefer the SSP site.
when I was 13-15: I used to "hang around" the parks water front . I love the idea to remake it and eagerly await the sites completion.
I posted on a previous article a while ago. having read all these posts, on many articles; I still prefer the SSP site.
when I was 13-15: I used to "hang around" the parks water front . I love the idea to remake it and eagerly await the sites completion.
mazzer76
says...
10:34am Sat 18 Feb 12
So I am so "Lame" for wanting job creation in Trowbridge after being made redundant, cheaper food shopping on a tight budget and a cinema close by to take my disabled son to, why is it telling the truth is lame PCS Wilts at least I don't try to insult people on here.
AMVanquish007
says...
1:13pm Sun 19 Feb 12
Beardy Mike- Just an Odeon cinema with a couple of restaurants on the SSP site would have been fine but i am afraid the "awesome bonus" of a hotel has in fact denied a possible 350-400 car parking spaces to what may now prove to be a disaster for the economics of a 7 plex cinema of this size. It is cosy and nice to think that Odeon may site a cinema in Trowbridge but for such a cinema to survive you need to draw people from a large catchment and because we are rural this will involve high numbers of vehicles at peak times/holiday dates or when there is an abundance of films with strong advertising spends. And as such despite all those who support SSP it just seems amazing that they cannot get their heads around the fact that there will be utter chaos in the area as a result. It seems that there is a blinkered attitude to this blatantly obvious fact and that there will be a feeling of somehow it will sort itself out. Such ignorance and naivety is mindboggling. Some people need to be put on a coach driven miles to a multiplex on a holiday date or weekend and be forced to watch the numbers of cars start racking up and trying to find car parking spaces.
Mazzer as always well said. Just one thing re your disabled son. Cineworld have this monthly pass which currently is £14.99 and allows you to see as many films as you like for an entire
month- granted you have to commit to a year to it but by being a member of it you get free screenings to go to as well of pre release films. Quite a few students, unemployed people, pensioners and disabled take advantage of this and is of great benefit. It is a major reason why we should all be supporting the Cineworld site as Odeon have nothing like it
Mazzer as always well said. Just one thing re your disabled son. Cineworld have this monthly pass which currently is £14.99 and allows you to see as many films as you like for an entire
month- granted you have to commit to a year to it but by being a member of it you get free screenings to go to as well of pre release films. Quite a few students, unemployed people, pensioners and disabled take advantage of this and is of great benefit. It is a major reason why we should all be supporting the Cineworld site as Odeon have nothing like it
have-my-say
says...
2:52pm Sun 19 Feb 12
Just a quick question which nobody seems to have raised??? If odeon are so keen on Trowbridge why have they not signed, do you not realise that unless prorsus get full support and approval there will be NO cinema, if it was there intention to build here they would have signed but no???? Those of you that support SSP are very naive, all they are doing is protecting there business, and that's the one in BATH!!!! They have no intention of signing why would they, they are holding out and demanding bowyers is rejected and why do you think this is- because they have our business currently anyway!!! 10 miles down road they don't want a cinema here full stop!!! If you don't support Prorsus then you can forget any regeneration and Vision for Trowbridge..... Grant both and see what happens I say!
jigsaw 5
says...
6:17pm Sun 19 Feb 12
Hotel and cinema on same complex?? that's an odd idea. I assume the cinema will be 50-100 seats or less. The size doesn't work out, its a tiny space for what they're planning. i do hope the Bowyers site gets the go ahead. Plus cineworld are far cheaper than odeon.
AMVanquish007
says...
9:46pm Sun 19 Feb 12
It's not just their cinema in Bath ,have-your-say- it's their grade 2 listed 1930's old build in Salisbury too. Because of it's art deco interior and status as a cinema only it has been afforded protection by the city council so no no new multiplex can be built. It too would be affected because a few people from south of Warminster travel to Salisbury to the cinema. Those people would no doubt come to Trowbridge. So if Cineworld get Trowbridge and I sincerely hope they do,it will be a double whammy against them.
After my letter questioning the screen sizes Jigsaw it was particularly strange that what was promised as an 8 plex suddenly changed to a 7 plex of 1230 seats. At the meeting on Wednesday when projected on to a screen , I noticed a rather strange design and configuration namely what appears to be a relatively large screen but 6 almost equal small ones.It has led me to contact the planning dept to request the seating capacities of the 7 screens. I am still awaiting a reply and hope I'll get them this week when I can then compare them with Cineworlds ones.
The general public may not consider this important but actually it is. I'd soon be able to get a feel of exactly what the annual film rental will be and it's profitability. Cineworld has a superb seating combination with 3 large ones of 332 267 and 230. Noticeably better than the Odeon Bath- the large 332 one equating with the largest at Vue
Longwell Green. Even the other 5 screens are well sized and financially from an operational perspective Cineworld have got it spot on. So I await the Odeons seating capacities with interest.
After my letter questioning the screen sizes Jigsaw it was particularly strange that what was promised as an 8 plex suddenly changed to a 7 plex of 1230 seats. At the meeting on Wednesday when projected on to a screen , I noticed a rather strange design and configuration namely what appears to be a relatively large screen but 6 almost equal small ones.It has led me to contact the planning dept to request the seating capacities of the 7 screens. I am still awaiting a reply and hope I'll get them this week when I can then compare them with Cineworlds ones.
The general public may not consider this important but actually it is. I'd soon be able to get a feel of exactly what the annual film rental will be and it's profitability. Cineworld has a superb seating combination with 3 large ones of 332 267 and 230. Noticeably better than the Odeon Bath- the large 332 one equating with the largest at Vue
Longwell Green. Even the other 5 screens are well sized and financially from an operational perspective Cineworld have got it spot on. So I await the Odeons seating capacities with interest.
AMVanquish007
says...
9:46pm Sun 19 Feb 12
It's not just their cinema in Bath ,have-your-say- it's their grade 2 listed 1930's old build in Salisbury too. Because of it's art deco interior and status as a cinema only it has been afforded protection by the city council so no no new multiplex can be built. It too would be affected because a few people from south of Warminster travel to Salisbury to the cinema. Those people would no doubt come to Trowbridge. So if Cineworld get Trowbridge and I sincerely hope they do,it will be a double whammy against them.
After my letter questioning the screen sizes Jigsaw it was particularly strange that what was promised as an 8 plex suddenly changed to a 7 plex of 1230 seats. At the meeting on Wednesday when projected on to a screen , I noticed a rather strange design and configuration namely what appears to be a relatively large screen but 6 almost equal small ones.It has led me to contact the planning dept to request the seating capacities of the 7 screens. I am still awaiting a reply and hope I'll get them this week when I can then compare them with Cineworlds ones.
The general public may not consider this important but actually it is. I'd soon be able to get a feel of exactly what the annual film rental will be and it's profitability. Cineworld has a superb seating combination with 3 large ones of 332 267 and 230. Noticeably better than the Odeon Bath- the large 332 one equating with the largest at Vue
Longwell Green. Even the other 5 screens are well sized and financially from an operational perspective Cineworld have got it spot on. So I await the Odeons seating capacities with interest.
After my letter questioning the screen sizes Jigsaw it was particularly strange that what was promised as an 8 plex suddenly changed to a 7 plex of 1230 seats. At the meeting on Wednesday when projected on to a screen , I noticed a rather strange design and configuration namely what appears to be a relatively large screen but 6 almost equal small ones.It has led me to contact the planning dept to request the seating capacities of the 7 screens. I am still awaiting a reply and hope I'll get them this week when I can then compare them with Cineworlds ones.
The general public may not consider this important but actually it is. I'd soon be able to get a feel of exactly what the annual film rental will be and it's profitability. Cineworld has a superb seating combination with 3 large ones of 332 267 and 230. Noticeably better than the Odeon Bath- the large 332 one equating with the largest at Vue
Longwell Green. Even the other 5 screens are well sized and financially from an operational perspective Cineworld have got it spot on. So I await the Odeons seating capacities with interest.
windyfishface
says...
2:14pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Odeon will not want Cineworld as they know they do a card for £14.99/month which allows unlimited entry (albeit with a surcharge for 3d films).
I know my son would prefer Cineworld due to the monthly pass and Im sure alot of other people will.. Odeon has said they may pull out if the other cinema is approved probably because they are dearer for tickets too... So if the same film is showing Im sure people will chose the cheaper option as money is really tight.
I know my son would prefer Cineworld due to the monthly pass and Im sure alot of other people will.. Odeon has said they may pull out if the other cinema is approved probably because they are dearer for tickets too... So if the same film is showing Im sure people will chose the cheaper option as money is really tight.
maxwellg
says...
3:34pm Tue 21 Feb 12
Having read all the above comments the Bowyers site is the one I would like to see. What ever happens the traffic will cause chaos (at either site). Traffic flow into Trowbridge from BOA is already an issue which does not appear to have been addressed with the Bowyers site plans, but then neither has it been addressed at the SSP site. This issue will be a political "hot potato" for a long time to come. Regeneration/jobs seems to me to be one of the most important issues here.
If the general public can see what Odeon are plotting why can the planning committee not? Counsellors beware!!!Your seats may not be safe if you ignore public opinion!
If the general public can see what Odeon are plotting why can the planning committee not? Counsellors beware!!!Your seats may not be safe if you ignore public opinion!
PCS_Wilts
says...
4:28pm Tue 21 Feb 12
mazzer76 wrote:I consider your remarks regarding back handers and bullying tactics as lame - L&G walked through every single process of the planning application with the different council departments BEFORE submitting their COMPLETE application which met ALL of the requirements needed to be accepted - this is the reason it has already been passed. Total job counts won't differ hugely between the 2 developments regardless of what the outcome is. Supermarket pricing is tit for tat - gain on one item and lose on the other.
So I am so "Lame" for wanting job creation in Trowbridge after being made redundant, cheaper food shopping on a tight budget and a cinema close by to take my disabled son to, why is it telling the truth is lame PCS Wilts at least I don't try to insult people on here.
old 'arry
says...
3:47pm Wed 22 Feb 12
Now is the time to fork in some matured cow manure where you plan to plant brussel sprouts.
AMVanquish007
says...
12:15am Thu 23 Feb 12
PCS-- " Total job counts wont differ hugely between the 2 developments"???????
. I dont think you can add up.
A supermarket with its local supply chains and and employees will be 250 jobs -an 8 plex cinema employs a staff of 30-a petrol station 4 employees-5-7 restaurants about 50 in total -a family pub 10 employees-security, landscaping and on site employees about 10-total about 350 employees when permanently constructed not forgetting the bus,taxi and rail hub which will mean extra work.
On SSP-25 for a 7 plex cinema-an 80 bedroomed hotel about 20 staff and 40 staff for 7 somewhat smaller restaurants and then 10 on site security, landscaping and car wardens-total is 150.
350 over 150 I call that a pretty significant difference regarding the jobs situation.
Every day on tv or on radio i see or hear Morrisons adverts equating with Tesco more so than Sainsburys or Asda and i have to say Morrisons own brand products are damned good and save a fortune. I wouldnt be surprised if Heinz/Kelloggs/Nestl
es/Proctor and Gamble etc produce the food in their factories for Morrisons. Everyone in Trowbridge will benefit because of extra choice and that cannot be bad
. I dont think you can add up.
A supermarket with its local supply chains and and employees will be 250 jobs -an 8 plex cinema employs a staff of 30-a petrol station 4 employees-5-7 restaurants about 50 in total -a family pub 10 employees-security, landscaping and on site employees about 10-total about 350 employees when permanently constructed not forgetting the bus,taxi and rail hub which will mean extra work.
On SSP-25 for a 7 plex cinema-an 80 bedroomed hotel about 20 staff and 40 staff for 7 somewhat smaller restaurants and then 10 on site security, landscaping and car wardens-total is 150.
350 over 150 I call that a pretty significant difference regarding the jobs situation.
Every day on tv or on radio i see or hear Morrisons adverts equating with Tesco more so than Sainsburys or Asda and i have to say Morrisons own brand products are damned good and save a fortune. I wouldnt be surprised if Heinz/Kelloggs/Nestl
es/Proctor and Gamble etc produce the food in their factories for Morrisons. Everyone in Trowbridge will benefit because of extra choice and that cannot be bad
PCS_Wilts
says...
7:30pm Thu 23 Feb 12
AMVanquish007 wrote:I'm not against Morrisons coming to Trowbridge - I am against Morrisons jumping onto the cinema bandwagon to get their supermaket and once they had, the cinema becoming of no consequence to them and possibly Trowbridge missing out on a long term provider of leisure in the guise of the SSP owned by L&g. You all seem to be missing key points - the land is not allocated to the type of licensing required for the plans and a half complete planning application does not warrant immediate re-allocation. So the point is that you can submit a 400 screen supermulti plex and ponder those plans with as much gay abandon as you like - because unless Prorsus/Morrisons start doing some serious ground work they'll be lucky to get planning permission to build a wendy house let alone anything else. Its sad that Morrisons have thrown out such an appealing prospect to you without backing up intentions with the ground work required to make them reality. Especially now SSP has planning permission you all seem to be grasping onto the hope that Odeon will not sign a contract in order to get a cineworld. How many sites do you think odeon have that are owned by L&G? work the rest out for yourselves.
PCS-- " Total job counts wont differ hugely between the 2 developments"???????
. I dont think you can add up.
A supermarket with its local supply chains and and employees will be 250 jobs -an 8 plex cinema employs a staff of 30-a petrol station 4 employees-5-7 restaurants about 50 in total -a family pub 10 employees-security, landscaping and on site employees about 10-total about 350 employees when permanently constructed not forgetting the bus,taxi and rail hub which will mean extra work.
On SSP-25 for a 7 plex cinema-an 80 bedroomed hotel about 20 staff and 40 staff for 7 somewhat smaller restaurants and then 10 on site security, landscaping and car wardens-total is 150.
350 over 150 I call that a pretty significant difference regarding the jobs situation.
Every day on tv or on radio i see or hear Morrisons adverts equating with Tesco more so than Sainsburys or Asda and i have to say Morrisons own brand products are damned good and save a fortune. I wouldnt be surprised if Heinz/Kelloggs/Nestl
es/Proctor and Gamble etc produce the food in their factories for Morrisons. Everyone in Trowbridge will benefit because of extra choice and that cannot be bad
AMVanquish007
says...
7:27am Fri 24 Feb 12
What the hell is all this guff you are coming out with PCS. It is Prorsus who own the site. They have asked Morrisons and Cineworld individually to go in on their site. Morrisons is the profit line for them and the Cineworld deal involves a longer payback. As far as I can see the agreement hinges on them both using the 550 car parking spaces and happy with that fact. Cineworld has gone in with Asda, Tesco,Sainsburys and Morrisons developments. Not one Cineworld has ever shut so this supposition about Morrisons influencing or dictating terms to Cineworld is twaddle. Cineworld is here for the long term and despite what you think a 1442 seater of such size for a market town reflects
that confidence in Trowbridge. As far as I can see Morrisons and Cineworld are complimenting one another. As for the question about Odeon on sites owned by L and G. What are you getting at?
At the end of the day it's whether the developer is going to charge a reasonable lease or rent and is prepared to accept a payback over many years regarding a cinema. One of the reasons why the Europa failed on the multi storey was because of the £10000 per screen per annum lease that was charged. After 7 years what with the film rental and overheads 2 x 186 seaters could not cope with these costs. This was a lesson and wake up call to the new multiplex operators form 1985 who decided the 10 plex was a way of sharing costs. Odeon who have been in the Market for years were actually one of the last operators to get on the multiplex bandwagon. I have to say that when I worked in these head offices and asked and suggested them to look at Trowbridge, prior to Terra Firma taking over Odeon ,I was given the impression that they had no interest in our Market town whatsoever unlike others like Apollo, Hoyts WarnerVillage and Vue. Cineworld have been wanting to come here for 10 years and wanted the right site. So the deal is between them and Prorsus not Morrisons.
Stop press- Morrisons - if u buy £60 of groceries you will get 15p a litre off petrol/diesel. Tit for Tat pricing it might be PCS but all the more reason for a Morrisons and the promised petrol station.
Planners and especially Councillors should take note of this meritorious competitive edge
which will benefit West Wiltshire residents. Future voters at the next local elections will be watching with interest and will be vocal if they feel they are not being heard. There are hardly any reasons to turn down the Bowyers site. On merit, it is becoming clear that on every point it's what people want regarding the local polls.
that confidence in Trowbridge. As far as I can see Morrisons and Cineworld are complimenting one another. As for the question about Odeon on sites owned by L and G. What are you getting at?
At the end of the day it's whether the developer is going to charge a reasonable lease or rent and is prepared to accept a payback over many years regarding a cinema. One of the reasons why the Europa failed on the multi storey was because of the £10000 per screen per annum lease that was charged. After 7 years what with the film rental and overheads 2 x 186 seaters could not cope with these costs. This was a lesson and wake up call to the new multiplex operators form 1985 who decided the 10 plex was a way of sharing costs. Odeon who have been in the Market for years were actually one of the last operators to get on the multiplex bandwagon. I have to say that when I worked in these head offices and asked and suggested them to look at Trowbridge, prior to Terra Firma taking over Odeon ,I was given the impression that they had no interest in our Market town whatsoever unlike others like Apollo, Hoyts WarnerVillage and Vue. Cineworld have been wanting to come here for 10 years and wanted the right site. So the deal is between them and Prorsus not Morrisons.
Stop press- Morrisons - if u buy £60 of groceries you will get 15p a litre off petrol/diesel. Tit for Tat pricing it might be PCS but all the more reason for a Morrisons and the promised petrol station.
Planners and especially Councillors should take note of this meritorious competitive edge
which will benefit West Wiltshire residents. Future voters at the next local elections will be watching with interest and will be vocal if they feel they are not being heard. There are hardly any reasons to turn down the Bowyers site. On merit, it is becoming clear that on every point it's what people want regarding the local polls.
have-my-say
says...
5:49pm Wed 29 Feb 12
At Last!! Petition now live! Say Yes to Innox Riverside Development, please register and sign:
http://cms.wiltshire
.gov.uk/mgEPetitionD
isplay.aspx?ID=36&RP
ID=4944847&HPID=4944
847
http://cms.wiltshire
.gov.uk/mgEPetitionD
isplay.aspx?ID=36&RP
ID=4944847&HPID=4944
847
AMVanquish007
says...
11:43am Thu 1 Mar 12
have-your-say--I think what you have found is the petition for the St Stephens Place site which was passed a few weks ago. This petition was exclusively for the SSP site on their website and was nothing to do with innox. It needs a new petition to be raised for the Bowyers site. Hopefully the public will have a chance this month to support this scheme if it goes to the monthly planning committee.
The link you have typed in takes you to the yes bid of the SSP site. Its a pity because its all the more important to get behind the Bowyers/Cineworld site as its the best of all the developments in Trowbridge I have seen in 25 years
The link you have typed in takes you to the yes bid of the SSP site. Its a pity because its all the more important to get behind the Bowyers/Cineworld site as its the best of all the developments in Trowbridge I have seen in 25 years
AMVanquish007
says...
11:51am Thu 1 Mar 12
Apologies have-your-say-I stand corrected--i have found it on the wiltshire.gov.uk website.
Going on it to sign now
Going on it to sign now
mazzer76 says...
8:49am Thu 16 Feb 12