Lights trial goes on to work out danger

This Is Wiltshire: Mannington Roundabout where part-time traffic lights have been tried out; Mannington Roundabout where part-time traffic lights have been tried out;

A TRIAL of part-time traffic lights at one of Swindon’s busiest junctions is expected to continue until at least February – to determine whether the scheme has increased road accidents.

Swindon Council started the first trial phase of a scheme in November to turn off the signals on Mannington Roundabout during off-peak periods in a bid to reduce congestion at the West Swindon junction.

The council passed a motion, soon after the phase ended in February, saying it had been a success and requested that a scheme be drawn up to convert traffic lights at other junctions.

But some have suggested that the part-time lights had increased accidents. Last month, father-of-one Paul Burney, 32, said the changes had made it more dangerous after he flipped his car on Mannington roundabout, adding that there should be more signs to say the lights are now part-time.

However, Swindon Council says the available injury accident data remains inconclusive, and cabinet will be asked today to continue the scheme for a 12-month road safety review to allow more data to be collected.

Counci leader Rod Bluh said: “I think it has been a great idea. I have been displeased for years when I have had to sit, particularly at night time, at that roundabout going nowhere where there’s been no traffic there.

“I think the part-time lights have worked particularly well. I think it has improved traffic flows and I would like to see it rolled out across the town.

“I think basically the officers would have to work through which ones which would be appropriate. I can think of a few but whether they would be suitable or not I don’t know – places like Coate Water Roundabout, even the Wichelstowe junction.”

A council report says a trial study, by Halcrow, concluded that the part-time signals reduced off-peak delays, which was supported by public feedback.

But the study also recommends that a full road safety review be carried out due to the limited amount of injury data available and the indication that injury accidents increased during the trial.

The most recent data available, until May 30, shows that in an equal period before the commencement of part-time operation, there was one serious and one slight injury at the junction, compared to three slight injuries during the new scheme period.

Coun Bluh said the difference was minimal and he would have expected the scheme to reduce the number and seriousness of accidents as motorists would be driving more cautiously.

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8:30am Wed 5 Sep 12

Ringer says...

Anyone who uses this roundabout regularly knows full well that the massive queues that still occur only do so when the lights are in operation.

Even at very busy times, as long as the lights are turned off it runs fairly smoothly.

Even when it's fairly empty, if the lights are on you can guarantee there will be queues of frustrated motorists sitting at red lights, staring at no cars driving past from the right.

Stop messing about, stop wasting time and money and remove the lights completely, for good.

As other drivers have said, the lights still physically being there is a hazard. Also, the signs that say the lights are part-time make the roundabout needlessly dangerous because they don't tell drivers what the operational times are.

Additionally, it is blindingly obvious that any increase in accidents has been caused by the highways planners deliberately making the roundabout FAR more dangerous by erecting the fences that obscure drivers' vision and cause an extreme safety hazard.

Remove those fences and you'd avoid accidents. It's a huge roundabout with, otherwise, very good vision to the right and left at every entrance and exit.

Take the fences down and stop putting drivers in unnecessary danger.

Why these 'experts' feel the need to over complicate simple things and increase the danger and hazards to drivers I do not know. I guess it must come down to protecting pointless public sector jobs and salaries.

Turn off the lights, remove the lights and remove the fences. It could be done over a weekend.
Anyone who uses this roundabout regularly knows full well that the massive queues that still occur only do so when the lights are in operation. [p] Even at very busy times, as long as the lights are turned off it runs fairly smoothly. [p] Even when it's fairly empty, if the lights are on you can guarantee there will be queues of frustrated motorists sitting at red lights, staring at no cars driving past from the right. [p] Stop messing about, stop wasting time and money and remove the lights completely, for good. [p] As other drivers have said, the lights still physically being there is a hazard. Also, the signs that say the lights are part-time make the roundabout needlessly dangerous because they don't tell drivers what the operational times are. [p] Additionally, it is blindingly obvious that any increase in accidents has been caused by the highways planners deliberately making the roundabout FAR more dangerous by erecting the fences that obscure drivers' vision and cause an extreme safety hazard. [p] Remove those fences and you'd avoid accidents. It's a huge roundabout with, otherwise, very good vision to the right and left at every entrance and exit. [p] Take the fences down and stop putting drivers in unnecessary danger. [p] Why these 'experts' feel the need to over complicate simple things and increase the danger and hazards to drivers I do not know. I guess it must come down to protecting pointless public sector jobs and salaries. [p] Turn off the lights, remove the lights and remove the fences. It could be done over a weekend. Ringer
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8:53am Wed 5 Sep 12

nobody says...

As someone who uses it every work day I think it has become more dangerous as many drivers seem to have an inability to negotiate it safely.
When the lights are off, lane discipline goes out of the window for many drivers as well as many trying to nip between gaps which are not big enough.
I have certainly seen more crashes on it since the scheme started.
As someone who uses it every work day I think it has become more dangerous as many drivers seem to have an inability to negotiate it safely. When the lights are off, lane discipline goes out of the window for many drivers as well as many trying to nip between gaps which are not big enough. I have certainly seen more crashes on it since the scheme started. nobody
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8:54am Wed 5 Sep 12

RichardR1 says...

They've got to keep the consultants in work.
They've got to keep the consultants in work. RichardR1
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8:58am Wed 5 Sep 12

Ringer says...

@nobody: why would lane discipline change just because the lights are off?

'Nipping into gaps that aren't big enough' has nothing at all to do with the lights being on or off. Why would it?

There are plenty of large roundabouts in Swindon without any traffic light control, do you see the same 'problems' at those?

Lane discipline is poor at Mannington because the lanes themselves are not well designed.

Again, the 'crashes' you may have seen are due to drivers' vision being completely obscured by the new fencing (which was placed there entirely for that purpose).
@nobody: why would lane discipline change just because the lights are off? [p] 'Nipping into gaps that aren't big enough' has nothing at all to do with the lights being on or off. Why would it? [p] There are plenty of large roundabouts in Swindon without any traffic light control, do you see the same 'problems' at those? [p] Lane discipline is poor at Mannington because the lanes themselves are not well designed. [p] Again, the 'crashes' you may have seen are due to drivers' vision being completely obscured by the new fencing (which was placed there entirely for that purpose). Ringer
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9:22am Wed 5 Sep 12

Disco20 says...

Agree with Ringer. I use it everyday, multiple times.

Queues are there when the lights are on and unfortunately, there are still morons in this world that will always risk their and otehr lives by doing daft and dangerous things. That, has nothing to do with lights.
Agree with Ringer. I use it everyday, multiple times. Queues are there when the lights are on and unfortunately, there are still morons in this world that will always risk their and otehr lives by doing daft and dangerous things. That, has nothing to do with lights. Disco20
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9:22am Wed 5 Sep 12

Disco20 says...

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9:47am Wed 5 Sep 12

ChristineT says...

I hope the lights stay as part-time. The fences should encourage drivers to slow down but you always get some idiot trying to race the car that is coming round the roundabout but when the lights are on you get idiots going over the lights on red.

The
I hope the lights stay as part-time. The fences should encourage drivers to slow down but you always get some idiot trying to race the car that is coming round the roundabout but when the lights are on you get idiots going over the lights on red. The ChristineT
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9:48am Wed 5 Sep 12

PaulD says...

This roundabout does seem to operate much better with the lights off.

As for the fences, I also assume they are they to slow down motorists' approach to the roundabout, which I think is a good idea as it forces the driver to make an informed decision about how safe it is to enter the roundabout at the immediate approach to it, rather than from 100yds+ further back when they possibly can't see other joining traffic (and may speed up to join a gap)

In my opinion, lights only work on roundabouts when there is an uneven balance of traffic from different directions, e.g. I think the Blagrove Roundabout might benefit from light control for traffic joining from Whitehill Way and Blagrove Road, but I can also see that this might cause queues building back to M4J16, which would not be wanted.

The Meads roundabout is another odd one. Traffic builds up along Mead Way which is light controlled, and also up Paddington Drive, which is not.
This roundabout does seem to operate much better with the lights off. As for the fences, I also assume they are they to slow down motorists' approach to the roundabout, which I think is a good idea as it forces the driver to make an informed decision about how safe it is to enter the roundabout at the immediate approach to it, rather than from 100yds+ further back when they possibly can't see other joining traffic (and may speed up to join a gap) In my opinion, lights only work on roundabouts when there is an uneven balance of traffic from different directions, e.g. I think the Blagrove Roundabout might benefit from light control for traffic joining from Whitehill Way and Blagrove Road, but I can also see that this might cause queues building back to M4J16, which would not be wanted. The Meads roundabout is another odd one. Traffic builds up along Mead Way which is light controlled, and also up Paddington Drive, which is not. PaulD
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10:02am Wed 5 Sep 12

Ringer says...

Removing drivers' ability to see oncoming traffic is not a good idea and it makes the roads dangerous.

To suggest that making roads deliberately more dangerous in order to slow drivers down because driving faster might be dangerous is lunatic 'logic'.

The vast majority of drivers *always* slow down at the entrance to roundabouts. Jesus, many poor drivers even come to halt even when they know nothing's coming for miles away.

As others have pointed out, even when the lights are on and red, some people jump them. You cannot, and will never, prevent the true idiots from driving like true idiots. But to think you'll slow those same idiots down by putting up fences is nonsense - all it does it increase accidents by making the roundabout more dangerous for ALL drivers.
Removing drivers' ability to see oncoming traffic is not a good idea and it makes the roads dangerous. [p] To suggest that making roads deliberately more dangerous in order to slow drivers down because driving faster might be dangerous is lunatic 'logic'. [p] The vast majority of drivers *always* slow down at the entrance to roundabouts. Jesus, many poor drivers even come to halt even when they know nothing's coming for miles away. [p] As others have pointed out, even when the lights are on and red, some people jump them. You cannot, and will never, prevent the true idiots from driving like true idiots. But to think you'll slow those same idiots down by putting up fences is nonsense - all it does it increase accidents by making the roundabout more dangerous for ALL drivers. Ringer
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10:08am Wed 5 Sep 12

MrBstard says...

It's a roundabout, not a frigging crossroads..... Get shot of the lights for good, it has cut 5 minutes or more off my morning commute to work since the change.
As for the fence, it's there to slow you down as you approach the roundabout. You cant see what is coming around the roundabout so you have to slow down before entering the roundabout.... which you should be doing anyhow so I say it should stay put.
It's a roundabout, not a frigging crossroads..... Get shot of the lights for good, it has cut 5 minutes or more off my morning commute to work since the change. As for the fence, it's there to slow you down as you approach the roundabout. You cant see what is coming around the roundabout so you have to slow down before entering the roundabout.... which you should be doing anyhow so I say it should stay put. MrBstard
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10:19am Wed 5 Sep 12

Grimwald says...

nobody wrote:
As someone who uses it every work day I think it has become more dangerous as many drivers seem to have an inability to negotiate it safely.
When the lights are off, lane discipline goes out of the window for many drivers as well as many trying to nip between gaps which are not big enough.
I have certainly seen more crashes on it since the scheme started.
If they can't negotiate Mannington safely the Police should be there to book them for dangerous driving. If you can't drive stay off the road!!
As for yet another £500,000 spent already all they had to do was to turn them off as Ringer suggests.
Does this Council understand the words saving money? No didn't think so they need to go back to school and learn!
[quote][p][bold]nobody[/bold] wrote: As someone who uses it every work day I think it has become more dangerous as many drivers seem to have an inability to negotiate it safely. When the lights are off, lane discipline goes out of the window for many drivers as well as many trying to nip between gaps which are not big enough. I have certainly seen more crashes on it since the scheme started.[/p][/quote]If they can't negotiate Mannington safely the Police should be there to book them for dangerous driving. If you can't drive stay off the road!! As for yet another £500,000 spent already all they had to do was to turn them off as Ringer suggests. Does this Council understand the words saving money? No didn't think so they need to go back to school and learn! Grimwald
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10:21am Wed 5 Sep 12

Davey Gravey says...

MrBstard wrote:
It's a roundabout, not a frigging crossroads..... Get shot of the lights for good, it has cut 5 minutes or more off my morning commute to work since the change.
As for the fence, it's there to slow you down as you approach the roundabout. You cant see what is coming around the roundabout so you have to slow down before entering the roundabout.... which you should be doing anyhow so I say it should stay put.
I agree with your last point completely. Regarding the lights,it has certainly made traffic flow easier,but many idiots cannot use the simple lane procedure properly and don't indicate. Doesn't matter what is in place there will always be idiots on the road.
[quote][p][bold]MrBstard[/bold] wrote: It's a roundabout, not a frigging crossroads..... Get shot of the lights for good, it has cut 5 minutes or more off my morning commute to work since the change. As for the fence, it's there to slow you down as you approach the roundabout. You cant see what is coming around the roundabout so you have to slow down before entering the roundabout.... which you should be doing anyhow so I say it should stay put.[/p][/quote]I agree with your last point completely. Regarding the lights,it has certainly made traffic flow easier,but many idiots cannot use the simple lane procedure properly and don't indicate. Doesn't matter what is in place there will always be idiots on the road. Davey Gravey
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10:27am Wed 5 Sep 12

PaulD says...

Ringer - I wholly disagree

The fences do not run all the way to the roundabout, they just block out the 50-100 yards prior to the zone you should be using to assess the oncoming traffic. They leave plenty of visibility at the immediate approach to the roundabout for traffic travelling at a safe speed

This has clearly been done to stop the idiots you describe from pre-empting traffic that they cannot yet see as it is the other side of the roundabout.

Approaching the roundabout too quickly will mean you cannot stop in time if traffic comes round the roundabout as you enter it.

The fences also mean that traffic on Gt Western Way slows to match the speed of traffic entering from Wootton Bassett Road and Tewkesbury Way, which again makes the roundabout safer and more efficient

Without the fences, many drivers would have an illusion of safety, which is very dangerous.

When they were first put up, I thought they were daft for the reasons you described, then after using them a few times, it made sense
Ringer - I wholly disagree The fences do not run all the way to the roundabout, they just block out the 50-100 yards prior to the zone you should be using to assess the oncoming traffic. They leave plenty of visibility at the immediate approach to the roundabout for traffic travelling at a safe speed This has clearly been done to stop the idiots you describe from pre-empting traffic that they cannot yet see as it is the other side of the roundabout. Approaching the roundabout too quickly will mean you cannot stop in time if traffic comes round the roundabout as you enter it. The fences also mean that traffic on Gt Western Way slows to match the speed of traffic entering from Wootton Bassett Road and Tewkesbury Way, which again makes the roundabout safer and more efficient Without the fences, many drivers would have an illusion of safety, which is very dangerous. When they were first put up, I thought they were daft for the reasons you described, then after using them a few times, it made sense PaulD
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10:34am Wed 5 Sep 12

madred says...

"said the changes had made it more dangerous after he flipped his car on Mannington roundabout"

if you manage to "flip your car" it suggest you were travelling way over the speed limit and should not be in control of something as complicated as a car. If drivers obey the rules and use common sense driving aint difficult......jeeez
z
"said the changes had made it more dangerous after he flipped his car on Mannington roundabout" if you manage to "flip your car" it suggest you were travelling way over the speed limit and should not be in control of something as complicated as a car. If drivers obey the rules and use common sense driving aint difficult......jeeez z madred
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10:34am Wed 5 Sep 12

AndyJH says...

“Last month, father-of-one Paul Burney, 32, said the changes had made it more dangerous after HE FLIPPED HIS CAR on Mannington roundabout”

Just HOW FAST was he going in order to flip the vehicle……..
“Last month, father-of-one Paul Burney, 32, said the changes had made it more dangerous after HE FLIPPED HIS CAR on Mannington roundabout” Just HOW FAST was he going in order to flip the vehicle…….. AndyJH
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10:34am Wed 5 Sep 12

AndySN3 says...

MrBstard wrote:
It's a roundabout, not a frigging crossroads..... Get shot of the lights for good, it has cut 5 minutes or more off my morning commute to work since the change.
As for the fence, it's there to slow you down as you approach the roundabout. You cant see what is coming around the roundabout so you have to slow down before entering the roundabout.... which you should be doing anyhow so I say it should stay put.
At last, somebody speaking some sense!!
Why on earth in this country are we hell bent on putting traffic lights on roundabouts, it totally defeats the working of the roundabout.
I think road planning in this country is poor, but Swindon seem to have taken the ball and run with it. Just look at how many bus stops are placed by crossings, or by width restrictions, it brings the traffic to a standstill. Look at how many crossings are put either just before or just after a roundabout or busy junction. Again I am sure this is done to "hinder" traffic flow.
[quote][p][bold]MrBstard[/bold] wrote: It's a roundabout, not a frigging crossroads..... Get shot of the lights for good, it has cut 5 minutes or more off my morning commute to work since the change. As for the fence, it's there to slow you down as you approach the roundabout. You cant see what is coming around the roundabout so you have to slow down before entering the roundabout.... which you should be doing anyhow so I say it should stay put.[/p][/quote]At last, somebody speaking some sense!! Why on earth in this country are we hell bent on putting traffic lights on roundabouts, it totally defeats the working of the roundabout. I think road planning in this country is poor, but Swindon seem to have taken the ball and run with it. Just look at how many bus stops are placed by crossings, or by width restrictions, it brings the traffic to a standstill. Look at how many crossings are put either just before or just after a roundabout or busy junction. Again I am sure this is done to "hinder" traffic flow. AndySN3
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10:38am Wed 5 Sep 12

PaulD says...

Flipping a car - Not 100% SCIENCE™ but http://answers.yahoo
.com/question/index?
qid=20071122072318AA
a6f42
Flipping a car - Not 100% SCIENCE™ but http://answers.yahoo .com/question/index? qid=20071122072318AA a6f42 PaulD
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10:39am Wed 5 Sep 12

Victor meldews attitude says...

AndyJH wrote:
“Last month, father-of-one Paul Burney, 32, said the changes had made it more dangerous after HE FLIPPED HIS CAR on Mannington roundabout”

Just HOW FAST was he going in order to flip the vehicle……..
Not fast enough to hit the Kia
Garage.
[quote][p][bold]AndyJH[/bold] wrote: “Last month, father-of-one Paul Burney, 32, said the changes had made it more dangerous after HE FLIPPED HIS CAR on Mannington roundabout” Just HOW FAST was he going in order to flip the vehicle……..[/p][/quote]Not fast enough to hit the Kia Garage. Victor meldews attitude
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10:40am Wed 5 Sep 12

PaulD says...

AndySN3 - I agree wholly with bus stops at junctions etc. Bloody annoying. What happened to pull-in stops?
AndySN3 - I agree wholly with bus stops at junctions etc. Bloody annoying. What happened to pull-in stops? PaulD
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10:41am Wed 5 Sep 12

Victor meldews attitude says...

PaulD wrote:
Flipping a car - Not 100% SCIENCE™ but http://answers.yahoo

.com/question/index?

qid=20071122072318AA

a6f42
Some one in swindln with a brain cell , atlast. Not all inbred social scrounger bums then.
[quote][p][bold]PaulD[/bold] wrote: Flipping a car - Not 100% SCIENCE™ but http://answers.yahoo .com/question/index? qid=20071122072318AA a6f42[/p][/quote]Some one in swindln with a brain cell , atlast. Not all inbred social scrounger bums then. Victor meldews attitude
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10:42am Wed 5 Sep 12

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

PaulD wrote:
Flipping a car - Not 100% SCIENCE™ but http://answers.yahoo

.com/question/index?

qid=20071122072318AA

a6f42
Not science at all. Depending on the type of car, and what you hit, it's perfectly possible to flip a vehicle at under 30mph...
[quote][p][bold]PaulD[/bold] wrote: Flipping a car - Not 100% SCIENCE™ but http://answers.yahoo .com/question/index? qid=20071122072318AA a6f42[/p][/quote]Not science at all. Depending on the type of car, and what you hit, it's perfectly possible to flip a vehicle at under 30mph... The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
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10:45am Wed 5 Sep 12

Victor meldews attitude says...

madred wrote:
"said the changes had made it more dangerous after he flipped his car on Mannington roundabout"

if you manage to "flip your car" it suggest you were travelling way over the speed limit and should not be in control of something as complicated as a car. If drivers obey the rules and use common sense driving aint difficult......jeeez

z
If you think a car is complicated after having a complete black out, you should try actually getting
Outside where you don't have click on trees and shops with a mouse to make it worse.
[quote][p][bold]madred[/bold] wrote: "said the changes had made it more dangerous after he flipped his car on Mannington roundabout" if you manage to "flip your car" it suggest you were travelling way over the speed limit and should not be in control of something as complicated as a car. If drivers obey the rules and use common sense driving aint difficult......jeeez z[/p][/quote]If you think a car is complicated after having a complete black out, you should try actually getting Outside where you don't have click on trees and shops with a mouse to make it worse. Victor meldews attitude
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10:48am Wed 5 Sep 12

Victor meldews attitude says...

Lots of good views on here, not like last time. I'm amazed half of you can drive." - return from penhill to lidl please, do I get discount for 47 children?"
Lots of good views on here, not like last time. I'm amazed half of you can drive." - return from penhill to lidl please, do I get discount for 47 children?" Victor meldews attitude
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10:48am Wed 5 Sep 12

walterboy says...

I don't use mannington roundabout very often, but I think the fences are the most dangerous part. The comment about stopping people preempting the traffic. As non-idiotic drivers, don't we preempt the traffic at every other roundabout we approach? It also blocks the view of the drivers on the roundabout from seeing the "idiots" who are not going to stop. At least without the fences there, they could try to prevent an accident.

Anyway, to Swindon Council: PLEASE do the lights trial at Coate Water roundabout. I am regularly sat there with a red light without a single car in sight. Extremely frustrating.
I don't use mannington roundabout very often, but I think the fences are the most dangerous part. The comment about stopping people preempting the traffic. As non-idiotic drivers, don't we preempt the traffic at every other roundabout we approach? It also blocks the view of the drivers on the roundabout from seeing the "idiots" who are not going to stop. At least without the fences there, they could try to prevent an accident. Anyway, to Swindon Council: PLEASE do the lights trial at Coate Water roundabout. I am regularly sat there with a red light without a single car in sight. Extremely frustrating. walterboy
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10:59am Wed 5 Sep 12

timt1964 says...

sounds like the guy who flipped his car is trying to blame everyone else for his bad driving.please swindon borough council turn the lights off and waste our money on something worthwhile(for a change).
sounds like the guy who flipped his car is trying to blame everyone else for his bad driving.please swindon borough council turn the lights off and waste our money on something worthwhile(for a change). timt1964
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11:03am Wed 5 Sep 12

Ringer says...

PaulD wrote:
Without the fences, many drivers would have an illusion of safety, which is very dangerous.

Not the case. Without the fences, drivers would be safer as they could see what was approaching. No car is able to drive from 'behind' that roundabout to hit a car that is entering from another entrance unless it is going about 70mph, which would be difficult to do unless you were already driving illegally and insanely (which nothing will stop people doing if they so choose).

I use the roundabout every weekday, the fences actually bring every driver to virtually a complete stop. Needless, pointless and it makes the roundabout much, much more dangerous than it would otherwise be.

I'd rather other motorists on the road around me were going a little bit faster than a crawl as opposed to having their view of my car completely and deliberately obstructed.

Accidents at this roundabout have increased. I fail to see why/how the lights not being on would have anything to do with that (as it improves traffic flow dramatically). No, the increased danger from the fences is what has increased the number of accidents... though the authorities will never, ever admit that as it would mean they are responsible.
[quote][b]PaulD wrote:[/b] Without the fences, many drivers would have an illusion of safety, which is very dangerous. [/quote] Not the case. Without the fences, drivers would be safer as they could see what was approaching. No car is able to drive from 'behind' that roundabout to hit a car that is entering from another entrance unless it is going about 70mph, which would be difficult to do unless you were already driving illegally and insanely (which nothing will stop people doing if they so choose). [p] I use the roundabout every weekday, the fences actually bring every driver to virtually a complete stop. Needless, pointless and it makes the roundabout much, much more dangerous than it would otherwise be. [p] I'd rather other motorists on the road around me were going a little bit faster than a crawl as opposed to having their view of my car completely and deliberately obstructed. [p] Accidents at this roundabout have increased. I fail to see why/how the lights not being on would have anything to do with that (as it improves traffic flow dramatically). No, the increased danger from the fences is what has increased the number of accidents... though the authorities will never, ever admit that as it would mean they are responsible. Ringer
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11:04am Wed 5 Sep 12

cherryblossom says...

Swindon cannot design roads full stop....apart from the lights at roundabouts....what idiot thought it was a good idea putting pedestrian crossings just off a roundabout...The junctions at the top of thamesdown drive? the new junction at the jury's inn?....we could go on forever because they cant get anything right!
Swindon cannot design roads full stop....apart from the lights at roundabouts....what idiot thought it was a good idea putting pedestrian crossings just off a roundabout...The junctions at the top of thamesdown drive? the new junction at the jury's inn?....we could go on forever because they cant get anything right! cherryblossom
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11:22am Wed 5 Sep 12

nobody says...

Ringer wrote:
@nobody: why would lane discipline change just because the lights are off? 'Nipping into gaps that aren't big enough' has nothing at all to do with the lights being on or off. Why would it? There are plenty of large roundabouts in Swindon without any traffic light control, do you see the same 'problems' at those? Lane discipline is poor at Mannington because the lanes themselves are not well designed. Again, the 'crashes' you may have seen are due to drivers' vision being completely obscured by the new fencing (which was placed there entirely for that purpose).
I have no idea why lane discipline goes out the window when the lights are off, it is just something I have noticed.
I agree the fencing should be removed but the fencing was not a contributing factor in the accident scenes I came across.
[quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: @nobody: why would lane discipline change just because the lights are off? [p] 'Nipping into gaps that aren't big enough' has nothing at all to do with the lights being on or off. Why would it? [p] There are plenty of large roundabouts in Swindon without any traffic light control, do you see the same 'problems' at those? [p] Lane discipline is poor at Mannington because the lanes themselves are not well designed. [p] Again, the 'crashes' you may have seen are due to drivers' vision being completely obscured by the new fencing (which was placed there entirely for that purpose).[/p][/quote]I have no idea why lane discipline goes out the window when the lights are off, it is just something I have noticed. I agree the fencing should be removed but the fencing was not a contributing factor in the accident scenes I came across. nobody
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11:25am Wed 5 Sep 12

nobody says...

Grimwald wrote:
nobody wrote: As someone who uses it every work day I think it has become more dangerous as many drivers seem to have an inability to negotiate it safely. When the lights are off, lane discipline goes out of the window for many drivers as well as many trying to nip between gaps which are not big enough. I have certainly seen more crashes on it since the scheme started.
If they can't negotiate Mannington safely the Police should be there to book them for dangerous driving. If you can't drive stay off the road!! As for yet another £500,000 spent already all they had to do was to turn them off as Ringer suggests. Does this Council understand the words saving money? No didn't think so they need to go back to school and learn!
I never see any traffic police and the non-traffic police do not give a ****.
There are lots of drivers on the road that appear to have received thier licence free with a packet of corn flakes.
[quote][p][bold]Grimwald[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nobody[/bold] wrote: As someone who uses it every work day I think it has become more dangerous as many drivers seem to have an inability to negotiate it safely. When the lights are off, lane discipline goes out of the window for many drivers as well as many trying to nip between gaps which are not big enough. I have certainly seen more crashes on it since the scheme started.[/p][/quote]If they can't negotiate Mannington safely the Police should be there to book them for dangerous driving. If you can't drive stay off the road!! As for yet another £500,000 spent already all they had to do was to turn them off as Ringer suggests. Does this Council understand the words saving money? No didn't think so they need to go back to school and learn![/p][/quote]I never see any traffic police and the non-traffic police do not give a ****. There are lots of drivers on the road that appear to have received thier licence free with a packet of corn flakes. nobody
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11:31am Wed 5 Sep 12

SJhorserider says...

The fences are brilliant! They serve EXACTLY the reason they are there - to slow down fast moving vehicles. You have plenty of room to see traffic on the roundabout once the fences end and you are at a much slower speed. If you think they are dangerous, chances are you're driving too fast.
I drive that roundabout 4 to 6 times a day with no hassle, no near misses and never a problem with the fencing.
I'm honestly shocked that people would find the fencing or part time lights dangerous!
The fences are brilliant! They serve EXACTLY the reason they are there - to slow down fast moving vehicles. You have plenty of room to see traffic on the roundabout once the fences end and you are at a much slower speed. If you think they are dangerous, chances are you're driving too fast. I drive that roundabout 4 to 6 times a day with no hassle, no near misses and never a problem with the fencing. I'm honestly shocked that people would find the fencing or part time lights dangerous! SJhorserider
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11:32am Wed 5 Sep 12

Victor meldews attitude says...

timt1964 wrote:
sounds like the guy who flipped his car is trying to blame everyone else for his bad driving.please swindon borough council turn the lights off and waste our money on something worthwhile(for a change).
So you want the lights off and he's a bad driver?? How about a big sign saying temporary t.ights? Instead of a little metal one. Never made a mistake in your life?????! Stop acting like a person living in a glass house then.
[quote][p][bold]timt1964[/bold] wrote: sounds like the guy who flipped his car is trying to blame everyone else for his bad driving.please swindon borough council turn the lights off and waste our money on something worthwhile(for a change).[/p][/quote]So you want the lights off and he's a bad driver?? How about a big sign saying temporary t.ights? Instead of a little metal one. Never made a mistake in your life?????! Stop acting like a person living in a glass house then. Victor meldews attitude
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11:40am Wed 5 Sep 12

Victor meldews attitude says...

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
PaulD wrote:
Flipping a car - Not 100% SCIENCE™ but http://answers.yahoo


.com/question/index?


qid=20071122072318AA


a6f42
Not science at all. Depending on the type of car, and what you hit, it's perfectly possible to flip a vehicle at under 30mph...
Exactly, even less than that, no one knows the reasons behind the crash so should keep their judgement to themselves. Avoiding something in the road, black out, looking a sausage roll under the driver seat. So opinions should be kept to them selves about the driver until its all been proved. A lot of you just sit at home bored on benefits with nothing better to do than b.itch waiting for the pub to open, your mobility battery to charge or stuck in a s.**** job that you need to vent. GO GET A HOBBY, lots of bridges and trees about ha ha
[quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulD[/bold] wrote: Flipping a car - Not 100% SCIENCE™ but http://answers.yahoo .com/question/index? qid=20071122072318AA a6f42[/p][/quote]Not science at all. Depending on the type of car, and what you hit, it's perfectly possible to flip a vehicle at under 30mph...[/p][/quote]Exactly, even less than that, no one knows the reasons behind the crash so should keep their judgement to themselves. Avoiding something in the road, black out, looking a sausage roll under the driver seat. So opinions should be kept to them selves about the driver until its all been proved. A lot of you just sit at home bored on benefits with nothing better to do than b.itch waiting for the pub to open, your mobility battery to charge or stuck in a s.**** job that you need to vent. GO GET A HOBBY, lots of bridges and trees about ha ha Victor meldews attitude
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11:46am Wed 5 Sep 12

PaulD says...

Victor meldews attitude - time for your medication I think
Victor meldews attitude - time for your medication I think PaulD
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11:51am Wed 5 Sep 12

Ringer says...

@nobody: interesting that you must have just happened to be passing at the time of these accidents as there were only 'three slight injuries' reported during the 10 months the new system has been in operation. That tends to indicate there really can't have been many significant accidents at all.
@nobody: interesting that you must have just happened to be passing at the time of these accidents as there were only 'three slight injuries' reported during the 10 months the new system has been in operation. That tends to indicate there really can't have been many significant accidents at all. Ringer
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12:02pm Wed 5 Sep 12

Victor meldews attitude says...

PaulD wrote:
Victor meldews attitude - time for your medication I think
Yawn , typical brainless reply, you may leave the conversation now. NEXT....
[quote][p][bold]PaulD[/bold] wrote: Victor meldews attitude - time for your medication I think[/p][/quote]Yawn , typical brainless reply, you may leave the conversation now. NEXT.... Victor meldews attitude
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12:05pm Wed 5 Sep 12

Victor meldews attitude says...

Ringer wrote:
@nobody: interesting that you must have just happened to be passing at the time of these accidents as there were only 'three slight injuries' reported during the 10 months the new system has been in operation. That tends to indicate there really can't have been many significant accidents at all.
Accidents happens hence - accidents - I was there and I prob seen 4 cars passing, so we have a lot of internet heroes here who's lives are so boring they have an opinion on everything in the world. Wonder if you are all Stephen Hawkin????
[quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: @nobody: interesting that you must have just happened to be passing at the time of these accidents as there were only 'three slight injuries' reported during the 10 months the new system has been in operation. That tends to indicate there really can't have been many significant accidents at all.[/p][/quote]Accidents happens hence - accidents - I was there and I prob seen 4 cars passing, so we have a lot of internet heroes here who's lives are so boring they have an opinion on everything in the world. Wonder if you are all Stephen Hawkin???? Victor meldews attitude
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12:06pm Wed 5 Sep 12

PaulD says...

Victor meldews attitude, no probs from me. Your opinions have just become zero-rated as far as I am concerned. They weren't they highly rated to begin with, but your sheer arrogance, clear lack of intelligence and ability to conduct yourself appropriately in a public forum has just been trumped by the clear proof that you are an arse of the highest calibre.

Say what you will. I've no more to say to you.
Victor meldews attitude, no probs from me. Your opinions have just become zero-rated as far as I am concerned. They weren't they highly rated to begin with, but your sheer arrogance, clear lack of intelligence and ability to conduct yourself appropriately in a public forum has just been trumped by the clear proof that you are an arse of the highest calibre. Say what you will. I've no more to say to you. PaulD
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12:15pm Wed 5 Sep 12

Disco20 says...

VMA - Haha.. Are you on the vodders this early in the day?
VMA - Haha.. Are you on the vodders this early in the day? Disco20
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12:21pm Wed 5 Sep 12

Victor meldews attitude says...

Hahahahahaha, if only you knew. Anyways........ Go have a whinge on face book about a crisp packet outside your house .
Hahahahahaha, if only you knew. Anyways........ Go have a whinge on face book about a crisp packet outside your house . Victor meldews attitude
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12:36pm Wed 5 Sep 12

mrchickenman says...

cherryblossom wrote:
Swindon cannot design roads full stop....apart from the lights at roundabouts....what idiot thought it was a good idea putting pedestrian crossings just off a roundabout...The junctions at the top of thamesdown drive? the new junction at the jury's inn?....we could go on forever because they cant get anything right!
Ever thought that Swindon haven't done all of these and they were designed and built by developers.....?

And I hope that the guy who flipped his car is going to be invoiced for any damage he caused!!!!
[quote][p][bold]cherryblossom[/bold] wrote: Swindon cannot design roads full stop....apart from the lights at roundabouts....what idiot thought it was a good idea putting pedestrian crossings just off a roundabout...The junctions at the top of thamesdown drive? the new junction at the jury's inn?....we could go on forever because they cant get anything right![/p][/quote]Ever thought that Swindon haven't done all of these and they were designed and built by developers.....? And I hope that the guy who flipped his car is going to be invoiced for any damage he caused!!!! mrchickenman
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12:36pm Wed 5 Sep 12

Davey Gravey says...

Victor is clearly oxford scum.just go play with a banana like you pox love to do
Victor is clearly oxford scum.just go play with a banana like you pox love to do Davey Gravey
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12:40pm Wed 5 Sep 12

Grimwald says...

cherryblossom wrote:
Swindon cannot design roads full stop....apart from the lights at roundabouts....what idiot thought it was a good idea putting pedestrian crossings just off a roundabout...The junctions at the top of thamesdown drive? the new junction at the jury's inn?....we could go on forever because they cant get anything right!
We have Halcrow as Consultants and we have 'Traffic Experts'. Do we actually need them for all the good they do?
[quote][p][bold]cherryblossom[/bold] wrote: Swindon cannot design roads full stop....apart from the lights at roundabouts....what idiot thought it was a good idea putting pedestrian crossings just off a roundabout...The junctions at the top of thamesdown drive? the new junction at the jury's inn?....we could go on forever because they cant get anything right![/p][/quote]We have Halcrow as Consultants and we have 'Traffic Experts'. Do we actually need them for all the good they do? Grimwald
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12:52pm Wed 5 Sep 12

Victor meldews attitude says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Victor is clearly oxford scum.just go play with a banana like you pox love to do
Hahahahahaha if only you knew who I was, if it's now turned into a football thing, I'll see you at an underpass someday ha ha Danny dyer naaaawwwwttttyyyyyyy
yy
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Victor is clearly oxford scum.just go play with a banana like you pox love to do[/p][/quote]Hahahahahaha if only you knew who I was, if it's now turned into a football thing, I'll see you at an underpass someday ha ha Danny dyer naaaawwwwttttyyyyyyy yy Victor meldews attitude
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12:59pm Wed 5 Sep 12

The-Swindon-Man says...

The roundabout is 1,000 times better with the lights off.

I used to have to use the roundabout when the lights were on full time and it was a nightmare but without the lights, I can get past the roundabout much quicker.
The roundabout is 1,000 times better with the lights off. I used to have to use the roundabout when the lights were on full time and it was a nightmare but without the lights, I can get past the roundabout much quicker. The-Swindon-Man
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12:59pm Wed 5 Sep 12

Always Grumpy says...

Approaching any roundabout, you must be prepared to stop. The fencing encourages you to slow down so that you can stop if necessary. Remove the fencing and drivers will just speed up, hoping to make it before another car comes round. With the fencing, any accident is going to be a low speed accident, unless the driver is like the idiot who flipped his car there a couple of weeks ago.
It's not a matter of how quickly you can get round the roundabout, it's how safely you can get round it.
Approaching any roundabout, you must be prepared to stop. The fencing encourages you to slow down so that you can stop if necessary. Remove the fencing and drivers will just speed up, hoping to make it before another car comes round. With the fencing, any accident is going to be a low speed accident, unless the driver is like the idiot who flipped his car there a couple of weeks ago. It's not a matter of how quickly you can get round the roundabout, it's how safely you can get round it. Always Grumpy
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1:05pm Wed 5 Sep 12

Davey Gravey says...

Victor meldews attitude wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
Victor is clearly oxford scum.just go play with a banana like you pox love to do
Hahahahahaha if only you knew who I was, if it's now turned into a football thing, I'll see you at an underpass someday ha ha Danny dyer naaaawwwwttttyyyyyyy

yy
Joey beachchump? A **** nonetheless
[quote][p][bold]Victor meldews attitude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Victor is clearly oxford scum.just go play with a banana like you pox love to do[/p][/quote]Hahahahahaha if only you knew who I was, if it's now turned into a football thing, I'll see you at an underpass someday ha ha Danny dyer naaaawwwwttttyyyyyyy yy[/p][/quote]Joey beachchump? A **** nonetheless Davey Gravey
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1:17pm Wed 5 Sep 12

Victor meldews attitude says...

Always Grumpy wrote:
Approaching any roundabout, you must be prepared to stop. The fencing encourages you to slow down so that you can stop if necessary. Remove the fencing and drivers will just speed up, hoping to make it before another car comes round. With the fencing, any accident is going to be a low speed accident, unless the driver is like the idiot who flipped his car there a couple of weeks ago.
It's not a matter of how quickly you can get round the roundabout, it's how safely you can get round it.
You dont know the circumstances so you can't call him an idiot. T.wat
[quote][p][bold]Always Grumpy[/bold] wrote: Approaching any roundabout, you must be prepared to stop. The fencing encourages you to slow down so that you can stop if necessary. Remove the fencing and drivers will just speed up, hoping to make it before another car comes round. With the fencing, any accident is going to be a low speed accident, unless the driver is like the idiot who flipped his car there a couple of weeks ago. It's not a matter of how quickly you can get round the roundabout, it's how safely you can get round it.[/p][/quote]You dont know the circumstances so you can't call him an idiot. T.wat Victor meldews attitude
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1:18pm Wed 5 Sep 12

Victor meldews attitude says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Victor meldews attitude wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
Victor is clearly oxford scum.just go play with a banana like you pox love to do
Hahahahahaha if only you knew who I was, if it's now turned into a football thing, I'll see you at an underpass someday ha ha Danny dyer naaaawwwwttttyyyyyyy


yy
Joey beachchump? A **** nonetheless
You know what.... I know who you are! Ha ha
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor meldews attitude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Victor is clearly oxford scum.just go play with a banana like you pox love to do[/p][/quote]Hahahahahaha if only you knew who I was, if it's now turned into a football thing, I'll see you at an underpass someday ha ha Danny dyer naaaawwwwttttyyyyyyy yy[/p][/quote]Joey beachchump? A **** nonetheless[/p][/quote]You know what.... I know who you are! Ha ha Victor meldews attitude
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1:20pm Wed 5 Sep 12

Alan B'stard says...

The introduction of part-time lights at this junction has worked very well.

If you struggle with it and are myopic enough not to notice the lights are switched off at times, then please do the following:

1. Cut your driving licence and photo ID in half.

2. Put it in an envelope with your paper driving licence and send it back to the DVLA stating "I'm returning my licence as I'm too thick to drive."

3. Sell your car.

4. Get the bus in future.

This would make my life easier and I expect also easier for the rest of us normal folk who have more than one brain cell.
The introduction of part-time lights at this junction has worked very well. If you struggle with it and are myopic enough not to notice the lights are switched off at times, then please do the following: 1. Cut your driving licence and photo ID in half. 2. Put it in an envelope with your paper driving licence and send it back to the DVLA stating "I'm returning my licence as I'm too thick to drive." 3. Sell your car. 4. Get the bus in future. This would make my life easier and I expect also easier for the rest of us normal folk who have more than one brain cell. Alan B'stard
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1:23pm Wed 5 Sep 12

jmostfc says...

Victor meldews attitude wrote:
Ringer wrote: @nobody: interesting that you must have just happened to be passing at the time of these accidents as there were only 'three slight injuries' reported during the 10 months the new system has been in operation. That tends to indicate there really can't have been many significant accidents at all.
Accidents happens hence - accidents - I was there and I prob seen 4 cars passing, so we have a lot of internet heroes here who's lives are so boring they have an opinion on everything in the world. Wonder if you are all Stephen Hawkin????
I think you must have been the guy who flipped the car otherwise why get so defensive about it?
[quote][p][bold]Victor meldews attitude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: @nobody: interesting that you must have just happened to be passing at the time of these accidents as there were only 'three slight injuries' reported during the 10 months the new system has been in operation. That tends to indicate there really can't have been many significant accidents at all.[/p][/quote]Accidents happens hence - accidents - I was there and I prob seen 4 cars passing, so we have a lot of internet heroes here who's lives are so boring they have an opinion on everything in the world. Wonder if you are all Stephen Hawkin????[/p][/quote]I think you must have been the guy who flipped the car otherwise why get so defensive about it? jmostfc
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1:29pm Wed 5 Sep 12

Davey Gravey says...

Victor meldews attitude wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
Victor meldews attitude wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
Victor is clearly oxford scum.just go play with a banana like you pox love to do
Hahahahahaha if only you knew who I was, if it's now turned into a football thing, I'll see you at an underpass someday ha ha Danny dyer naaaawwwwttttyyyyyyy



yy
Joey beachchump? A **** nonetheless
You know what.... I know who you are! Ha ha
That's nice for you. I don't care though
[quote][p][bold]Victor meldews attitude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor meldews attitude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Victor is clearly oxford scum.just go play with a banana like you pox love to do[/p][/quote]Hahahahahaha if only you knew who I was, if it's now turned into a football thing, I'll see you at an underpass someday ha ha Danny dyer naaaawwwwttttyyyyyyy yy[/p][/quote]Joey beachchump? A **** nonetheless[/p][/quote]You know what.... I know who you are! Ha ha[/p][/quote]That's nice for you. I don't care though Davey Gravey
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1:30pm Wed 5 Sep 12

Disco20 says...

Victor meldews attitude wrote:
Hahahahahaha, if only you knew. Anyways........ Go have a whinge on face book about a crisp packet outside your house .
I have a gardener that clears them up
[quote][p][bold]Victor meldews attitude[/bold] wrote: Hahahahahaha, if only you knew. Anyways........ Go have a whinge on face book about a crisp packet outside your house .[/p][/quote]I have a gardener that clears them up Disco20
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1:32pm Wed 5 Sep 12

Disco20 says...

Alan B'stard wrote:
The introduction of part-time lights at this junction has worked very well. If you struggle with it and are myopic enough not to notice the lights are switched off at times, then please do the following: 1. Cut your driving licence and photo ID in half. 2. Put it in an envelope with your paper driving licence and send it back to the DVLA stating "I'm returning my licence as I'm too thick to drive." 3. Sell your car. 4. Get the bus in future. This would make my life easier and I expect also easier for the rest of us normal folk who have more than one brain cell.
BRILLIANT! Well said!
[quote][p][bold]Alan B'stard[/bold] wrote: The introduction of part-time lights at this junction has worked very well. If you struggle with it and are myopic enough not to notice the lights are switched off at times, then please do the following: 1. Cut your driving licence and photo ID in half. 2. Put it in an envelope with your paper driving licence and send it back to the DVLA stating "I'm returning my licence as I'm too thick to drive." 3. Sell your car. 4. Get the bus in future. This would make my life easier and I expect also easier for the rest of us normal folk who have more than one brain cell.[/p][/quote]BRILLIANT! Well said! Disco20
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1:33pm Wed 5 Sep 12

Victor meldews attitude says...

Done here now , killed a morning just like 2 lamposts and a sign and a car.
Tata
Done here now , killed a morning just like 2 lamposts and a sign and a car. Tata Victor meldews attitude
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2:26pm Wed 5 Sep 12

Bangtidy says...

SJhorserider wrote:
The fences are brilliant! They serve EXACTLY the reason they are there - to slow down fast moving vehicles. You have plenty of room to see traffic on the roundabout once the fences end and you are at a much slower speed. If you think they are dangerous, chances are you're driving too fast.
I drive that roundabout 4 to 6 times a day with no hassle, no near misses and never a problem with the fencing.
I'm honestly shocked that people would find the fencing or part time lights dangerous!
1, This is a perfect and well thought out comment.
2, I love those fences.
3, Paul Burney (AKA Paul Bunney) is an idiot (I know him personally)
[quote][p][bold]SJhorserider[/bold] wrote: The fences are brilliant! They serve EXACTLY the reason they are there - to slow down fast moving vehicles. You have plenty of room to see traffic on the roundabout once the fences end and you are at a much slower speed. If you think they are dangerous, chances are you're driving too fast. I drive that roundabout 4 to 6 times a day with no hassle, no near misses and never a problem with the fencing. I'm honestly shocked that people would find the fencing or part time lights dangerous![/p][/quote]1, This is a perfect and well thought out comment. 2, I love those fences. 3, Paul Burney (AKA Paul Bunney) is an idiot (I know him personally) Bangtidy
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2:26pm Wed 5 Sep 12

Bangtidy says...

SJhorserider wrote:
The fences are brilliant! They serve EXACTLY the reason they are there - to slow down fast moving vehicles. You have plenty of room to see traffic on the roundabout once the fences end and you are at a much slower speed. If you think they are dangerous, chances are you're driving too fast.
I drive that roundabout 4 to 6 times a day with no hassle, no near misses and never a problem with the fencing.
I'm honestly shocked that people would find the fencing or part time lights dangerous!
1, This is a perfect and well thought out comment.
2, I love those fences.
3, Paul Burney (AKA Paul Bunney) is an idiot (I know him personally)
[quote][p][bold]SJhorserider[/bold] wrote: The fences are brilliant! They serve EXACTLY the reason they are there - to slow down fast moving vehicles. You have plenty of room to see traffic on the roundabout once the fences end and you are at a much slower speed. If you think they are dangerous, chances are you're driving too fast. I drive that roundabout 4 to 6 times a day with no hassle, no near misses and never a problem with the fencing. I'm honestly shocked that people would find the fencing or part time lights dangerous![/p][/quote]1, This is a perfect and well thought out comment. 2, I love those fences. 3, Paul Burney (AKA Paul Bunney) is an idiot (I know him personally) Bangtidy
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3:58pm Wed 5 Sep 12

The-Swindon-Man says...

Alan B'stard wrote:
The introduction of part-time lights at this junction has worked very well. If you struggle with it and are myopic enough not to notice the lights are switched off at times, then please do the following: 1. Cut your driving licence and photo ID in half. 2. Put it in an envelope with your paper driving licence and send it back to the DVLA stating "I'm returning my licence as I'm too thick to drive." 3. Sell your car. 4. Get the bus in future. This would make my life easier and I expect also easier for the rest of us normal folk who have more than one brain cell.
I couldn't put it better myself Alan...

As mentioned in previous comments, I can't understand why people get so confused with this roundabout. It's a roundabout with traffic lights on and when the traffic lights are switched off, treat it as any other roundabout.

I can't understand Paul Burney saying that there isn't enough signs saying 'These lights are Part-Time'. I've seen a few signs to indicate/tell me that these lights are part-time and they may not be in operation when I get to them.
[quote][p][bold]Alan B'stard[/bold] wrote: The introduction of part-time lights at this junction has worked very well. If you struggle with it and are myopic enough not to notice the lights are switched off at times, then please do the following: 1. Cut your driving licence and photo ID in half. 2. Put it in an envelope with your paper driving licence and send it back to the DVLA stating "I'm returning my licence as I'm too thick to drive." 3. Sell your car. 4. Get the bus in future. This would make my life easier and I expect also easier for the rest of us normal folk who have more than one brain cell.[/p][/quote]I couldn't put it better myself Alan... As mentioned in previous comments, I can't understand why people get so confused with this roundabout. It's a roundabout with traffic lights on and when the traffic lights are switched off, treat it as any other roundabout. I can't understand Paul Burney saying that there isn't enough signs saying 'These lights are Part-Time'. I've seen a few signs to indicate/tell me that these lights are part-time and they may not be in operation when I get to them. The-Swindon-Man
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5:34pm Wed 5 Sep 12

The man on the street says...

I have been driving for 40 plus years.
I still do 40 to 50,000 miles a year in a car in all parts of the Country.
I am not a good driver, but I consider myself a safe one.
I have not had an acident for thirty-five years.
Now that I have laid out my credentials I would pass the following comments.
I find the screens do an excellent job, most accidents I see at roundabouts are drivers not watching the car in front of them and do not realise that at only one car length the perception of space is very different.
I do not know the details of the experiment but I find the lights seem to be out of sinc with the rush hour (e.g. they are off when they should be on) and I agree traffic seems to flow better without the lights and queues appear at any time they are on.
If the traffic specialist in Swindon want to do anything I would suggest they look at using hatched area at junctions, including roundabouts and training drivers in the correct use of bus lanes. e.g between 7.00pm and 7.00 am you are meant to use them and drive on the left, NOT cut accross them to make a left turn. To me not driving correctly and using the bus lanes when you can is 'driving without due care and attention' of which many Swindon drivers are guilty!
I have been driving for 40 plus years. I still do 40 to 50,000 miles a year in a car in all parts of the Country. I am not a good driver, but I consider myself a safe one. I have not had an acident for thirty-five years. Now that I have laid out my credentials I would pass the following comments. I find the screens do an excellent job, most accidents I see at roundabouts are drivers not watching the car in front of them and do not realise that at only one car length the perception of space is very different. I do not know the details of the experiment but I find the lights seem to be out of sinc with the rush hour (e.g. they are off when they should be on) and I agree traffic seems to flow better without the lights and queues appear at any time they are on. If the traffic specialist in Swindon want to do anything I would suggest they look at using hatched area at junctions, including roundabouts and training drivers in the correct use of bus lanes. e.g between 7.00pm and 7.00 am you are meant to use them and drive on the left, NOT cut accross them to make a left turn. To me not driving correctly and using the bus lanes when you can is 'driving without due care and attention' of which many Swindon drivers are guilty! The man on the street
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5:47pm Wed 5 Sep 12

Always Grumpy says...

Victor meldews attitude wrote:
Always Grumpy wrote:
Approaching any roundabout, you must be prepared to stop. The fencing encourages you to slow down so that you can stop if necessary. Remove the fencing and drivers will just speed up, hoping to make it before another car comes round. With the fencing, any accident is going to be a low speed accident, unless the driver is like the idiot who flipped his car there a couple of weeks ago.
It's not a matter of how quickly you can get round the roundabout, it's how safely you can get round it.
You dont know the circumstances so you can't call him an idiot. T.wat
Well, it seems I'm not the only one who thinks he's an idiot! It's not you is it?
[quote][p][bold]Victor meldews attitude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Always Grumpy[/bold] wrote: Approaching any roundabout, you must be prepared to stop. The fencing encourages you to slow down so that you can stop if necessary. Remove the fencing and drivers will just speed up, hoping to make it before another car comes round. With the fencing, any accident is going to be a low speed accident, unless the driver is like the idiot who flipped his car there a couple of weeks ago. It's not a matter of how quickly you can get round the roundabout, it's how safely you can get round it.[/p][/quote]You dont know the circumstances so you can't call him an idiot. T.wat[/p][/quote]Well, it seems I'm not the only one who thinks he's an idiot! It's not you is it? Always Grumpy
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6:42pm Wed 5 Sep 12

GalaxyMan says...

How in the hell do you flip your car at this roundabout? I hope the Police charged that individual with dangerous driving?
How in the hell do you flip your car at this roundabout? I hope the Police charged that individual with dangerous driving? GalaxyMan
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10:46pm Wed 5 Sep 12

Victor meldews attitude says...

Accidents happen everyday, a few of you have taken it to a personal level.
So congratulations on your intelligence, it should be about the roundabout not the person who nearlly died.
Bang tidy- YRU?
Accidents happen everyday, a few of you have taken it to a personal level. So congratulations on your intelligence, it should be about the roundabout not the person who nearlly died. Bang tidy- YRU? Victor meldews attitude
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8:11am Thu 6 Sep 12

Always Grumpy says...

Victor meldews attitude wrote:
Accidents happen everyday, a few of you have taken it to a personal level.
So congratulations on your intelligence, it should be about the roundabout not the person who nearlly died.
Bang tidy- YRU?
He died, because the idiot was obviously going far too fast approaching the roundabout. Drivers like that shouldn't even be on the road.
What a pity you haven't the intelligence to see that - everyone else can!
[quote][p][bold]Victor meldews attitude[/bold] wrote: Accidents happen everyday, a few of you have taken it to a personal level. So congratulations on your intelligence, it should be about the roundabout not the person who nearlly died. Bang tidy- YRU?[/p][/quote]He died, because the idiot was obviously going far too fast approaching the roundabout. Drivers like that shouldn't even be on the road. What a pity you haven't the intelligence to see that - everyone else can! Always Grumpy
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9:42am Thu 6 Sep 12

MrBstard says...

Victor meldews attitude wrote:
Accidents happen everyday, a few of you have taken it to a personal level. So congratulations on your intelligence, it should be about the roundabout not the person who nearlly died. Bang tidy- YRU?
Victor, you have done nothing but try to have a pop at people on this subject from the start. Stop being an annoying ****!

The simple facts are these...

1. Its a roundabout
2. As with any junction you slow down on the approach. (fences or no fences).
3. The lights were off, doesn't matter if they are part time or broken. They were not on and so you treat them as you would any other set of light that wasn't on or working (with caution).
4.You assess the situation and either come to a stop or carry on if safe to do so.
5. There is a speed limit, Note "Limit", it the most you are allowed to do. If it says 30, you don't have to go around at 30 you go at a speed that is safe for the road conditions and traffic flow.
6. It's a BIG roundabout, not a small tight to get around one, a car being driven sensibly at a speed for the conditions wont flip over.

He flipped the car, quite simply the vehicle wasn't being driven with all due care and attention.... He's a Knob head...Simples!

Now run along and troll some other site!
[quote][p][bold]Victor meldews attitude[/bold] wrote: Accidents happen everyday, a few of you have taken it to a personal level. So congratulations on your intelligence, it should be about the roundabout not the person who nearlly died. Bang tidy- YRU?[/p][/quote]Victor, you have done nothing but try to have a pop at people on this subject from the start. Stop being an annoying ****! The simple facts are these... 1. Its a roundabout 2. As with any junction you slow down on the approach. (fences or no fences). 3. The lights were off, doesn't matter if they are part time or broken. They were not on and so you treat them as you would any other set of light that wasn't on or working (with caution). 4.You assess the situation and either come to a stop or carry on if safe to do so. 5. There is a speed limit, Note "Limit", it the most you are allowed to do. If it says 30, you don't have to go around at 30 you go at a speed that is safe for the road conditions and traffic flow. 6. It's a BIG roundabout, not a small tight to get around one, a car being driven sensibly at a speed for the conditions wont flip over. He flipped the car, quite simply the vehicle wasn't being driven with all due care and attention.... He's a Knob head...Simples! Now run along and troll some other site! MrBstard
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11:54am Thu 6 Sep 12

Cat_cat_cat says...

If you put the flipper drivers name in the search box above, it will take you to the story which explains how he flipped his car - namely, he pulled out on to the roundabout without looking, realised there was a car coming & swerved his own car, taking our 2 lamp posts & flipping his motor.
Interestingly enough, there are a couple more stories involving his name! Why not read these, and hope the police tested him at the time of the crash!!
If you put the flipper drivers name in the search box above, it will take you to the story which explains how he flipped his car - namely, he pulled out on to the roundabout without looking, realised there was a car coming & swerved his own car, taking our 2 lamp posts & flipping his motor. Interestingly enough, there are a couple more stories involving his name! Why not read these, and hope the police tested him at the time of the crash!! Cat_cat_cat
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