Ridding paths of motorbike menace

This Is Wiltshire: PCSO Dominic Tonge, PC Stephanie England and PC Gary Rosier in north Swindon PCSO Dominic Tonge, PC Stephanie England and PC Gary Rosier in north Swindon

RECKLESS youths on motorcycles are using public footpaths as a race track and are putting lives at risk, police have said.

North Swindon neighbourhood officers led an operation in a bid to crack down on the illegal off-road use of scooters and scramblers, which residents have complained is causing a nuisance.

With check points in Abbey Meads, Greenmeadow, Haydon Wick and Penhill, officers, including an off-road policing unit, took to the streets and one officer narrowly escaped injury when a rider on a scrambler sped towards them in an attempt to evade capture.

Another was given a warning before he began to ride on the pavement and officers also fined a tractor driver who was using a footpath as a shortcut.

PC Stephanie England, community beat manager for the area, said the culprits knew they were breaking the law and could face losing their vehicles once they were caught.

She said: “I think it was quite successful in terms of letting the community know we were there. We were obviously patrolling in high-visibility clothing and acted as a deterrent to those we saw on the night.

“We managed to stop one rider before he committed an offence and took his details, but then we spotted a bike with two people on it using the footpath from the direction of Pond Lane.

“He was weaving in and out and avoiding officers at the checkpoints. When he got over to the other side of the bridge into Abbey Meads he sped up and came very close to one officer.

“He was certainly going fast enough to cause serious injury if he had hit someone and the girl on the back was also not wearing a helmet. It just goes to show they are a danger to themselves and to others.

“Lots of young kids use the parks and there were dog walkers out in the evenings too. We believe they are using the footpaths as a track as they are quite wide and form a bit of a loop – it’s a game to them. They think they cannot be touched but we have several powers including a one-off warning before we can confiscate their vehicles from them. We can also fine them £30.”

Anyone with any information should contact North Swindon police on 101 or Crimestoppers, where information can be left anonymously, on 0800 555 111.

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8:39am Wed 24 Oct 12

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

The police should be capturing this on video and then publishing it.

It wouldn't take long for someone to provide a few leads.

Failing that perhaps the police officers should just whack the riders with a batten as they are passing! If the riders gets injured then that is they're own fault.

A £30 fine is hardly going to make them stop and think twice about it.
The police should be capturing this on video and then publishing it. It wouldn't take long for someone to provide a few leads. Failing that perhaps the police officers should just whack the riders with a batten as they are passing! If the riders gets injured then that is they're own fault. A £30 fine is hardly going to make them stop and think twice about it. LordAshOfTheBrake
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8:47am Wed 24 Oct 12

dc the 2nd says...

Don't even think i trust the police to have batons anymore as it seems they spent the entire 1980's making up evidence as they went along.

Think i'd rather have a few kids on motorbikes and let Darwinian selection sort it out.
Don't even think i trust the police to have batons anymore as it seems they spent the entire 1980's making up evidence as they went along. Think i'd rather have a few kids on motorbikes and let Darwinian selection sort it out. dc the 2nd
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9:05am Wed 24 Oct 12

Gerequois says...

There should be no 'could' about it when it comes to the little idiots losing their bikes.

There should be zero tolerance on this and the bikes should be siezed and crushed into a little sqaure, with the owners having to pay for it to be done.

This would soon put off all but the most persistent of these fools.
There should be no 'could' about it when it comes to the little idiots losing their bikes. There should be zero tolerance on this and the bikes should be siezed and crushed into a little sqaure, with the owners having to pay for it to be done. This would soon put off all but the most persistent of these fools. Gerequois
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9:08am Wed 24 Oct 12

rmc001 says...

I'm surprised it's only £30, considering that if a child even pushes a motorbike along a pavement they are committing several crimes, such as in charge of a motorbike without a licence, no insurance, probably no mot, no registration plate, underage, etc. However what might be a good idea is to provide these kids with a legal, private area to ride their bikes, which is where it's not going to be a nuisance to others. Maybe then they will leave the public footpaths alone.
I'm surprised it's only £30, considering that if a child even pushes a motorbike along a pavement they are committing several crimes, such as in charge of a motorbike without a licence, no insurance, probably no mot, no registration plate, underage, etc. However what might be a good idea is to provide these kids with a legal, private area to ride their bikes, which is where it's not going to be a nuisance to others. Maybe then they will leave the public footpaths alone. rmc001
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9:26am Wed 24 Oct 12

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

rmc001 wrote:
I'm surprised it's only £30, considering that if a child even pushes a motorbike along a pavement they are committing several crimes, such as in charge of a motorbike without a licence, no insurance, probably no mot, no registration plate, underage, etc. However what might be a good idea is to provide these kids with a legal, private area to ride their bikes, which is where it's not going to be a nuisance to others. Maybe then they will leave the public footpaths alone.
There are already such facilities available - for instance:

http://www.talentexp
ress.co.uk/funefarm/
off_road.html

The problem is these kids (or their parents) don't want to pay for the damage they cause to public land, don't want to tax,insure etc because it costs money. They still ride on the public roads though - I regularly see them speeding up and down Thamesdown Drive!

When they catch these people, crush the bikes, hit their parents with a massive fine (How about £1000 for starters), ban them from riding. There has to be a good motivator for doing it legally - or more accurately a good deterrent from doing it illegally!
[quote][p][bold]rmc001[/bold] wrote: I'm surprised it's only £30, considering that if a child even pushes a motorbike along a pavement they are committing several crimes, such as in charge of a motorbike without a licence, no insurance, probably no mot, no registration plate, underage, etc. However what might be a good idea is to provide these kids with a legal, private area to ride their bikes, which is where it's not going to be a nuisance to others. Maybe then they will leave the public footpaths alone.[/p][/quote]There are already such facilities available - for instance: http://www.talentexp ress.co.uk/funefarm/ off_road.html The problem is these kids (or their parents) don't want to pay for the damage they cause to public land, don't want to tax,insure etc because it costs money. They still ride on the public roads though - I regularly see them speeding up and down Thamesdown Drive! When they catch these people, crush the bikes, hit their parents with a massive fine (How about £1000 for starters), ban them from riding. There has to be a good motivator for doing it legally - or more accurately a good deterrent from doing it illegally! The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
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9:48am Wed 24 Oct 12

PaisleyRed says...

Those two cops don't look the smartest. I can clearly see a bike being ridden just behind them and the guy is even wearing flurescent gear!
Those two cops don't look the smartest. I can clearly see a bike being ridden just behind them and the guy is even wearing flurescent gear! PaisleyRed
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12:07pm Wed 24 Oct 12

The Real Librarian says...

I blame the parents.

Who buys these bkies for a child and then doesn't supervise the use.
I blame the parents. Who buys these bkies for a child and then doesn't supervise the use. The Real Librarian
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12:18pm Wed 24 Oct 12

themoonraker says...

How about putting points on the parents driving licences...........t
hat might actually make the parents more responsible for, and interested in what their children are doing in these cases
How about putting points on the parents driving licences...........t hat might actually make the parents more responsible for, and interested in what their children are doing in these cases themoonraker
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12:20pm Wed 24 Oct 12

Highworth Lad says...

LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
The police should be capturing this on video and then publishing it. It wouldn't take long for someone to provide a few leads. Failing that perhaps the police officers should just whack the riders with a batten as they are passing! If the riders gets injured then that is they're own fault. A £30 fine is hardly going to make them stop and think twice about it.
agreed, wack the little gits off !!
[quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: The police should be capturing this on video and then publishing it. It wouldn't take long for someone to provide a few leads. Failing that perhaps the police officers should just whack the riders with a batten as they are passing! If the riders gets injured then that is they're own fault. A £30 fine is hardly going to make them stop and think twice about it.[/p][/quote]agreed, wack the little gits off !! Highworth Lad
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1:05pm Wed 24 Oct 12

PaisleyRed says...

Highworth Lad wrote:
LordAshOfTheBrake wrote: The police should be capturing this on video and then publishing it. It wouldn't take long for someone to provide a few leads. Failing that perhaps the police officers should just whack the riders with a batten as they are passing! If the riders gets injured then that is they're own fault. A £30 fine is hardly going to make them stop and think twice about it.
agreed, wack the little gits off !!
wack the little gits off? Stick to wacking yourself off matey!

Highworth Lad aka James Saville by chance.
[quote][p][bold]Highworth Lad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: The police should be capturing this on video and then publishing it. It wouldn't take long for someone to provide a few leads. Failing that perhaps the police officers should just whack the riders with a batten as they are passing! If the riders gets injured then that is they're own fault. A £30 fine is hardly going to make them stop and think twice about it.[/p][/quote]agreed, wack the little gits off !![/p][/quote]wack the little gits off? Stick to wacking yourself off matey! Highworth Lad aka James Saville by chance. PaisleyRed
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3:36pm Wed 24 Oct 12

gina948 says...

We regularly have the little sh1ts revving the engines around Pinehurst. I cant believe the police didnt bother patrolling this area! Our road is a magnet to them riding in a loop up and down. Drives me up the wall! I agree with the comments made regarding parental responsibility for the kids riding the bikes and more over the steepness (or lack of in this case) of the fine. A £1k fine would have a better impact. The biggest problem is catching the little sods though. One copper told me that they cant be seen to be giving chase in case the police cause an accident and the kids get hurt, especially if they're not wearing helmets which is often the case. To be fair though, the copper who told me that was clearly frustrated by the ridiculous red tape! In my opinion if you're breaking the law, expect to get caught and if you get hurt in the process then it was your own stupid fault for putting the innocent ones at risk in the first place! Rant over!!
We regularly have the little sh1ts revving the engines around Pinehurst. I cant believe the police didnt bother patrolling this area! Our road is a magnet to them riding in a loop up and down. Drives me up the wall! I agree with the comments made regarding parental responsibility for the kids riding the bikes and more over the steepness (or lack of in this case) of the fine. A £1k fine would have a better impact. The biggest problem is catching the little sods though. One copper told me that they cant be seen to be giving chase in case the police cause an accident and the kids get hurt, especially if they're not wearing helmets which is often the case. To be fair though, the copper who told me that was clearly frustrated by the ridiculous red tape! In my opinion if you're breaking the law, expect to get caught and if you get hurt in the process then it was your own stupid fault for putting the innocent ones at risk in the first place! Rant over!! gina948
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7:42pm Wed 24 Oct 12

DiDiDI says...

I absolutely agree with confiscating the bikes and fining the parents if the riders are under age. It is true that the police in most areas are not allowed to pursue motorcycles as there is a higher chance of the rider (usually young and inexperienced) falling off and hurting themselves (ah bless). Use a bike in the commission of a serious crime though.. and they'll chase it till it stops. The £30 fine is a joke though. A lot of kids get that as pocket money these days.
I absolutely agree with confiscating the bikes and fining the parents if the riders are under age. It is true that the police in most areas are not allowed to pursue motorcycles as there is a higher chance of the rider (usually young and inexperienced) falling off and hurting themselves (ah bless). Use a bike in the commission of a serious crime though.. and they'll chase it till it stops. The £30 fine is a joke though. A lot of kids get that as pocket money these days. DiDiDI
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9:54pm Wed 24 Oct 12

PJC says...

PaisleyRed wrote:
Those two cops don't look the smartest. I can clearly see a bike being ridden just behind them and the guy is even wearing flurescent gear!
Fluorescent! Back to school for you too!
[quote][p][bold]PaisleyRed[/bold] wrote: Those two cops don't look the smartest. I can clearly see a bike being ridden just behind them and the guy is even wearing flurescent gear![/p][/quote]Fluorescent! Back to school for you too! PJC
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11:01pm Wed 24 Oct 12

REDROM says...

Sad thing is some innocent little kid will be badly injured or worse. then something might be done about it. I've lived in this area for ten years, the amount of policing I've seen in that time is a big fat Zero
Sad thing is some innocent little kid will be badly injured or worse. then something might be done about it. I've lived in this area for ten years, the amount of policing I've seen in that time is a big fat Zero REDROM
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7:01am Thu 25 Oct 12

faatmaan says...

police seem incapable of dealing with cycling on pavements by adults in quiet housing estates, drivers using mobile phones whilst driving etc, how is this going to be any different, until the punishment makes it so bad the perpetrators will continue at their leisure.
police seem incapable of dealing with cycling on pavements by adults in quiet housing estates, drivers using mobile phones whilst driving etc, how is this going to be any different, until the punishment makes it so bad the perpetrators will continue at their leisure. faatmaan
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11:27am Thu 25 Oct 12

The Patrician says...

We regularly get them on the open space behind us - the police response seems to be a guy on a mountain bike - not sure how they expect him to catch anyone.
We regularly get them on the open space behind us - the police response seems to be a guy on a mountain bike - not sure how they expect him to catch anyone. The Patrician
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12:24pm Thu 25 Oct 12

Highworth Lad says...

PaisleyRed wrote:
Highworth Lad wrote:
LordAshOfTheBrake wrote: The police should be capturing this on video and then publishing it. It wouldn't take long for someone to provide a few leads. Failing that perhaps the police officers should just whack the riders with a batten as they are passing! If the riders gets injured then that is they're own fault. A £30 fine is hardly going to make them stop and think twice about it.
agreed, wack the little gits off !!
wack the little gits off? Stick to wacking yourself off matey! Highworth Lad aka James Saville by chance.
very good.
[quote][p][bold]PaisleyRed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Highworth Lad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: The police should be capturing this on video and then publishing it. It wouldn't take long for someone to provide a few leads. Failing that perhaps the police officers should just whack the riders with a batten as they are passing! If the riders gets injured then that is they're own fault. A £30 fine is hardly going to make them stop and think twice about it.[/p][/quote]agreed, wack the little gits off !![/p][/quote]wack the little gits off? Stick to wacking yourself off matey! Highworth Lad aka James Saville by chance.[/p][/quote]very good. Highworth Lad
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2:50pm Fri 26 Oct 12

Jason Reeve says...

faatmaan wrote:
police seem incapable of dealing with cycling on pavements by adults in quiet housing estates, drivers using mobile phones whilst driving etc, how is this going to be any different, until the punishment makes it so bad the perpetrators will continue at their leisure.
Spot on.

The problem with this is that the police send totally mixed messages. On the one hand they claim that 'lives are at risk', and yet on the other hand all they do is give utterly pointless 'warnings' and issue the threat of a £30 fine.

My guess is that the sum total of £30 fine so far handing out is... zero.

They think they cannot be touched

Yes, that's what every criminal knows in this country and, guess what?, they're entirely correct. That's WHY they merrily commit their crimes.
[quote][p][bold]faatmaan[/bold] wrote: police seem incapable of dealing with cycling on pavements by adults in quiet housing estates, drivers using mobile phones whilst driving etc, how is this going to be any different, until the punishment makes it so bad the perpetrators will continue at their leisure.[/p][/quote]Spot on. [p] The problem with this is that the police send totally mixed messages. On the one hand they claim that 'lives are at risk', and yet on the other hand all they do is give utterly pointless 'warnings' and issue the threat of a £30 fine. [p] My guess is that the sum total of £30 fine so far handing out is... zero. [quote] They think they cannot be touched [/quote] Yes, that's what every criminal knows in this country and, guess what?, they're entirely correct. That's WHY they merrily commit their crimes. Jason Reeve
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9:26am Tue 30 Oct 12

gina948 says...

Jason Reeve wrote:
faatmaan wrote: police seem incapable of dealing with cycling on pavements by adults in quiet housing estates, drivers using mobile phones whilst driving etc, how is this going to be any different, until the punishment makes it so bad the perpetrators will continue at their leisure.
Spot on. The problem with this is that the police send totally mixed messages. On the one hand they claim that 'lives are at risk', and yet on the other hand all they do is give utterly pointless 'warnings' and issue the threat of a £30 fine. My guess is that the sum total of £30 fine so far handing out is... zero.
They think they cannot be touched
Yes, that's what every criminal knows in this country and, guess what?, they're entirely correct. That's WHY they merrily commit their crimes.
How depressingly true!
[quote][p][bold]Jason Reeve[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]faatmaan[/bold] wrote: police seem incapable of dealing with cycling on pavements by adults in quiet housing estates, drivers using mobile phones whilst driving etc, how is this going to be any different, until the punishment makes it so bad the perpetrators will continue at their leisure.[/p][/quote]Spot on. [p] The problem with this is that the police send totally mixed messages. On the one hand they claim that 'lives are at risk', and yet on the other hand all they do is give utterly pointless 'warnings' and issue the threat of a £30 fine. [p] My guess is that the sum total of £30 fine so far handing out is... zero. [quote] They think they cannot be touched [/quote] Yes, that's what every criminal knows in this country and, guess what?, they're entirely correct. That's WHY they merrily commit their crimes.[/p][/quote]How depressingly true! gina948
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