Religious leaders seek more debate over same-sex marriage

This Is Wiltshire: Ruth Worsley, Archdeacon of Wiltshire Ruth Worsley, Archdeacon of Wiltshire

Religious leaders in Wiltshire plan to consult their congregations after MPs’ decision to approve same-sex marriage in a House of Commons vote on Tuesday.

During the landmark debate, 400 MPs voted in favour of the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill, with 175 opposing it.

The Bill has passed through the second reading stage in the Commons and is now set for further parliamentary scrutiny. It will need to be accepted by the House of Lords and given royal assent before it is can become law.

Archdeacon of Wiltshire, the Venerable Ruth Worsley, said: “While many in the Church of England will have welcomed the passing of the gay marriage vote in the House of Commons, the Church as a whole is unable to support the measure at this time.

“However, I wish to emphasise that everyone, no matter what their sexual orientation, is welcome in our churches.”

The Rev David Ellis, of the United Church, in Trowbridge, said he expected churches of different faiths to respond to the vote in different ways.

He said: “The debate was done in a careful way and what the church needs to do now is reflect on what has been said and respond to that after a debate has taken place.

“We all need to know what our congregations have to say and approach this subject very sensitively and respectfully.

“I think it will be interesting to see what the different leaderships bring to the debate.”

MP Andrew Murrison received correspondence for and against the Bill from constituents, voting in favour of it after considering the arguments on both sides.

He said: “We have had civil partnership for same sex couples for nearly a decade and same sex marriage is, for all practical purposes, the same thing.

“Consequently, examining the Bill, I was unable to find any credible objection in what seemed to me to be the largely semantic changes proposed.”

The Rev Dr Rob Thomas, of St James Church, Trowbridge, said: “I would support the Church of England’s position on this.

“The matter has been brought forward without discussion and raises serious theological issues which it would have good to debate.

“The change the Government is proposing is going to have a profound effect on the institution of marriage.”

Chippenham Constituency MP Duncan Hames said: “I took part in Parliament’s first debate on the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill listening to thoughtful and at times moving speeches.

"My own small contribution was to ask the Minister about those marriage registrars who felt unable to preside at same sex marriages who may fear for their jobs. I decided to support the Bill.”

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6:02pm Thu 7 Feb 13

goateatingtroll says...

They can only just support the fact you got promoted from cleaner, Ruth.
They can only just support the fact you got promoted from cleaner, Ruth. goateatingtroll
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9:40pm Thu 7 Feb 13

xgaygreg says...

I used to be gay, but over SEVEN years ago Jesus set me FREE! I am now free from the sin of homosexuality. Marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman according to the King James Bible (Genesis 2:24) so I am now married and my wife is pregnant by me. What's really cool is that now my life is not focused on "ME" I actually think about other's. More to the point, it's not about "ME" at all it's ALL about JESUS CHRIST! Jesus is Lord!!
I used to be gay, but over SEVEN years ago Jesus set me FREE! I am now free from the sin of homosexuality. Marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman according to the King James Bible (Genesis 2:24) so I am now married and my wife is pregnant by me. What's really cool is that now my life is not focused on "ME" I actually think about other's. More to the point, it's not about "ME" at all it's ALL about JESUS CHRIST! Jesus is Lord!! xgaygreg
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7:57am Fri 8 Feb 13

Mrs Donnyfly says...

Odd that religious leaders never consulted with their congregations on homosexuality in the days when homosexuals were persona non grata.
Odd that religious leaders never consulted with their congregations on homosexuality in the days when homosexuals were persona non grata. Mrs Donnyfly
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10:21am Fri 8 Feb 13

Grumpyoldgit99 says...

xgaygreg wrote:
I used to be gay, but over SEVEN years ago Jesus set me FREE! I am now free from the sin of homosexuality. Marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman according to the King James Bible (Genesis 2:24) so I am now married and my wife is pregnant by me. What's really cool is that now my life is not focused on "ME" I actually think about other's. More to the point, it's not about "ME" at all it's ALL about JESUS CHRIST! Jesus is Lord!!
Hmm. Definitely not a planted letter then!
[quote][p][bold]xgaygreg[/bold] wrote: I used to be gay, but over SEVEN years ago Jesus set me FREE! I am now free from the sin of homosexuality. Marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman according to the King James Bible (Genesis 2:24) so I am now married and my wife is pregnant by me. What's really cool is that now my life is not focused on "ME" I actually think about other's. More to the point, it's not about "ME" at all it's ALL about JESUS CHRIST! Jesus is Lord!![/p][/quote]Hmm. Definitely not a planted letter then! Grumpyoldgit99
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1:10pm Fri 8 Feb 13

trowboy says...

Does anyone else spot the irony of a female archdeacon casting a vote on the inclusion of gay marriage within the church? Would she be in a position to even do this if the bigoted church had not been forced to at least recognise women as humans before slowly allowing them some power.

Is it not even more ironic that the church of England should question others when they want to amend the sacred institution of marriage... who was it that founded them again and how many wifes did he have!

It does make me chuckle...
Does anyone else spot the irony of a female archdeacon casting a vote on the inclusion of gay marriage within the church? Would she be in a position to even do this if the bigoted church had not been forced to at least recognise women as humans before slowly allowing them some power. Is it not even more ironic that the church of England should question others when they want to amend the sacred institution of marriage... who was it that founded them again and how many wifes did he have! It does make me chuckle... trowboy
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2:14pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Grumpyoldgit99 says...

Marriage is a matter for the State so what the church thinks of the matter is not really relevant. As trowboy points out, the church cannot even admit that women are equal so can hardly claim a moral high ground. I see in the news today that the bishops are considering allowing women into their meetings. Presumably this will be to make and serve the tea!
Marriage is a matter for the State so what the church thinks of the matter is not really relevant. As trowboy points out, the church cannot even admit that women are equal so can hardly claim a moral high ground. I see in the news today that the bishops are considering allowing women into their meetings. Presumably this will be to make and serve the tea! Grumpyoldgit99
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10:09pm Fri 8 Feb 13

toryexitpole says...

I didn't know that Paul Merton was a priest.
I didn't know that Paul Merton was a priest. toryexitpole
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2:24am Sat 9 Feb 13

Mrs Donnyfly says...

Venerable Ruth said... “However, I wish to emphasise that everyone, no matter what their sexual orientation, is welcome in our churches.”

Church welcomes paedophiles.
Venerable Ruth said... “However, I wish to emphasise that everyone, no matter what their sexual orientation, is welcome in our churches.” Church welcomes paedophiles. Mrs Donnyfly
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12:56pm Sat 9 Feb 13

redrum says...

There are many lesbians and gays out there, nobody should care if it does not affect them and their life. I have to agree with you as there have been a few people within the church who have been convicted of things with children, after using their places of trust to get to their poor victims.If 2 people love eachother what ever sex they are they should be allowed to marry and be as welcome as anyone else.
There are many lesbians and gays out there, nobody should care if it does not affect them and their life. I have to agree with you as there have been a few people within the church who have been convicted of things with children, after using their places of trust to get to their poor victims.If 2 people love eachother what ever sex they are they should be allowed to marry and be as welcome as anyone else. redrum
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1:29pm Sat 9 Feb 13

old 'arry says...

Mrs Donnyfly wrote:
Odd that religious leaders never consulted with their congregations on homosexuality in the days when homosexuals were persona non grata.
Were??? WERE?? They still are with many people. The very thought of the disgusting physical act which male gays perform totally puts me off my lunch.
[quote][p][bold]Mrs Donnyfly[/bold] wrote: Odd that religious leaders never consulted with their congregations on homosexuality in the days when homosexuals were persona non grata.[/p][/quote]Were??? WERE?? They still are with many people. The very thought of the disgusting physical act which male gays perform totally puts me off my lunch. old 'arry
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4:06pm Sat 9 Feb 13

melkshamwizard says...

a report out last week said aids among gay men is not falling,i always thought that that act was called buggery and against the law
a report out last week said aids among gay men is not falling,i always thought that that act was called buggery and against the law melkshamwizard
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4:58pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Mrs Donnyfly says...

old 'arry wrote:
Mrs Donnyfly wrote:
Odd that religious leaders never consulted with their congregations on homosexuality in the days when homosexuals were persona non grata.
Were??? WERE?? They still are with many people. The very thought of the disgusting physical act which male gays perform totally puts me off my lunch.
Why should you be thinking of homosexual activity whilst eating your lunch...?
[quote][p][bold]old 'arry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mrs Donnyfly[/bold] wrote: Odd that religious leaders never consulted with their congregations on homosexuality in the days when homosexuals were persona non grata.[/p][/quote]Were??? WERE?? They still are with many people. The very thought of the disgusting physical act which male gays perform totally puts me off my lunch.[/p][/quote]Why should you be thinking of homosexual activity whilst eating your lunch...? Mrs Donnyfly
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5:08pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Grumpyoldgit99 says...

melkshamwizard wrote:
a report out last week said aids among gay men is not falling,i always thought that that act was called buggery and against the law
You are about 45 years out of date!
[quote][p][bold]melkshamwizard[/bold] wrote: a report out last week said aids among gay men is not falling,i always thought that that act was called buggery and against the law[/p][/quote]You are about 45 years out of date! Grumpyoldgit99
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5:11pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Mrs Donnyfly says...

melkshamwizard wrote:
a report out last week said aids among gay men is not falling,i always thought that that act was called buggery and against the law
Would that be a report commissioned by a religious anti-gay group? The World Health Organisation - who I assume knows about these things - has declared that Aids is in decline.
As for your thoughts on buggery, I think you'll find that buggery and homosexuality are not exactly the same, and is legal.
[quote][p][bold]melkshamwizard[/bold] wrote: a report out last week said aids among gay men is not falling,i always thought that that act was called buggery and against the law[/p][/quote]Would that be a report commissioned by a religious anti-gay group? The World Health Organisation - who I assume knows about these things - has declared that Aids is in decline. As for your thoughts on buggery, I think you'll find that buggery and homosexuality are not exactly the same, and is legal. Mrs Donnyfly
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9:55pm Sun 10 Feb 13

beetawix says...

A rev said “The change the Government is proposing is going to have a profound effect on the institution of marriage.”


why's that rev?
A rev said “The change the Government is proposing is going to have a profound effect on the institution of marriage.” why's that rev? beetawix
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10:51pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Grumpyoldgit99 says...

Rather, it is likely to have a profound effect on the Church of England. It is being shown up as completely irrelevant.
Rather, it is likely to have a profound effect on the Church of England. It is being shown up as completely irrelevant. Grumpyoldgit99
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5:50am Mon 11 Feb 13

old 'arry says...

Mrs Donnyfly wrote:
old 'arry wrote:
Mrs Donnyfly wrote:
Odd that religious leaders never consulted with their congregations on homosexuality in the days when homosexuals were persona non grata.
Were??? WERE?? They still are with many people. The very thought of the disgusting physical act which male gays perform totally puts me off my lunch.
Why should you be thinking of homosexual activity whilst eating your lunch...?
I'm buggered if I can remember now.........OOPS!
[quote][p][bold]Mrs Donnyfly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old 'arry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mrs Donnyfly[/bold] wrote: Odd that religious leaders never consulted with their congregations on homosexuality in the days when homosexuals were persona non grata.[/p][/quote]Were??? WERE?? They still are with many people. The very thought of the disgusting physical act which male gays perform totally puts me off my lunch.[/p][/quote]Why should you be thinking of homosexual activity whilst eating your lunch...?[/p][/quote]I'm buggered if I can remember now.........OOPS! old 'arry
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5:52am Mon 11 Feb 13

old 'arry says...

Mrs Donnyfly wrote:
old 'arry wrote:
Mrs Donnyfly wrote:
Odd that religious leaders never consulted with their congregations on homosexuality in the days when homosexuals were persona non grata.
Were??? WERE?? They still are with many people. The very thought of the disgusting physical act which male gays perform totally puts me off my lunch.
Why should you be thinking of homosexual activity whilst eating your lunch...?
I'm buggered if I can remember now.......OOOPS!
[quote][p][bold]Mrs Donnyfly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old 'arry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mrs Donnyfly[/bold] wrote: Odd that religious leaders never consulted with their congregations on homosexuality in the days when homosexuals were persona non grata.[/p][/quote]Were??? WERE?? They still are with many people. The very thought of the disgusting physical act which male gays perform totally puts me off my lunch.[/p][/quote]Why should you be thinking of homosexual activity whilst eating your lunch...?[/p][/quote]I'm buggered if I can remember now.......OOOPS! old 'arry
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10:33am Wed 13 Feb 13

moocherx says...

Mrs Donnyfly wrote:
old 'arry wrote:
Mrs Donnyfly wrote:
Odd that religious leaders never consulted with their congregations on homosexuality in the days when homosexuals were persona non grata.
Were??? WERE?? They still are with many people. The very thought of the disgusting physical act which male gays perform totally puts me off my lunch.
Why should you be thinking of homosexual activity whilst eating your lunch...?
That's the problem with a Gregg's jumbo sausage roll.
[quote][p][bold]Mrs Donnyfly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old 'arry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mrs Donnyfly[/bold] wrote: Odd that religious leaders never consulted with their congregations on homosexuality in the days when homosexuals were persona non grata.[/p][/quote]Were??? WERE?? They still are with many people. The very thought of the disgusting physical act which male gays perform totally puts me off my lunch.[/p][/quote]Why should you be thinking of homosexual activity whilst eating your lunch...?[/p][/quote]That's the problem with a Gregg's jumbo sausage roll. moocherx
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1:59pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Grumpyoldgit99 says...

old 'arry wrote:
Mrs Donnyfly wrote:
Odd that religious leaders never consulted with their congregations on homosexuality in the days when homosexuals were persona non grata.
Were??? WERE?? They still are with many people. The very thought of the disgusting physical act which male gays perform totally puts me off my lunch.
Yes. I'm not very keen on disco and watching musicals either.
[quote][p][bold]old 'arry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mrs Donnyfly[/bold] wrote: Odd that religious leaders never consulted with their congregations on homosexuality in the days when homosexuals were persona non grata.[/p][/quote]Were??? WERE?? They still are with many people. The very thought of the disgusting physical act which male gays perform totally puts me off my lunch.[/p][/quote]Yes. I'm not very keen on disco and watching musicals either. Grumpyoldgit99
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