Parents have no cash left to bail son out of Filipino jail (From This Is Wiltshire)

I saw a police van parked at the end of Hythe Road early this morning. I suspect they just left it there as a visible deterrent, rather than actually manned it. Probably too much paperwork to get on with back at the station. I also very much hope any Marriott CCTV footage leads to the capture of the mindless ***hole who did this. And I was dismayed yesterday to see lots of cars with flat tyres around Old Town, with Imperial Tyres flyers placed under their wipers, offering competitive rates and on-site replacements. Seems insensitive and opportunistic to me.

Wrong thread I think Eastcott.

The case again highlights the problem of Brits going to places they don't really understand and are accused of exploiting the country for gain, then expect tax payers to feel sorry for them.

We may not like their legal system but it is their country.

RichardR1 , you should not comment on a particular subject you have no knowledge of.
This couple were originally charged on 25 counts, 23 of which have now been dropped because the complainants were found to be far from truthful. The remaining 2 counts would be dropped also if the two complainees would just turn up for court.
The system over there is far different to here in a civilised world. If people don't want to attend court then they wont, there is no legistation to force them to attend, hence the drawn out four year period.
No one has asked British taxpayers to fork out, however the British government has been asked repeatedly to intervene and get the case heard , and to date they have been reluctant.
Hopefully now with Justin Tomlinsons help this may happen.. All anyone wants is for the case to be heard and finished with, once it actually gets to court it will be found there is no case to answer.

When in Rome do as the Romans as they say. You should respect the laws of the country you live in that way you will not end up in the above's position. The onus is on their lawyers to prove they are innocent (if indeed they are) not the UK Government!

Absolutely Richard. I do find it amusing when there are those who feel others are wrong in criticising our system but then thinks it's ok to condemn anothers.

If they are innocent so be it but this should be a lesson to others going to foreign climes, to earn money that just perhaps the risks far out weigh the perceived benefits.

"""The system over there is far different to here in a civilised world"""

Why would you want to work somewhere that isnt "civilised?" in the first place and I am sure they knew the risks. It was their choice to go there and if we want people to respect our way of life we have to respect theirs whether we agree with it or not.

The key fact to remember is that the UK is almost alone in maintaining a criminal justice system that supports, protects and is weighted heavily in favour of guilty criminals.

The majority of other countries in the world tend to have systems based around people being shown to be innocent before being allowed to stroll free from court.

So are you saying we should have Corpus Juris then Tim. The very system that is pulling people off the streets of Britain and taking them to other EU countries under the EAW, with just a minor rubber stamping operation by our system.

I believe there should be some element of an accused person being able to demonstrate their innocence, not merely having every case end up with a defence laywer lying and conniving to introduce an element of 'reasonable doubt' about what their clients actually did.

The current Pryce speeding points case demonstrates just how much of a complete farce our Criminal Justice System really is.

Tim Newroman wrote:
I believe there should be some element of an accused person being able to demonstrate their innocence, not merely having every case end up with a defence laywer lying and conniving to introduce an element of 'reasonable doubt' about what their clients actually did.

The current Pryce speeding points case demonstrates just how much of a complete farce our Criminal Justice System really is.

"The current Pryce speeding points case demonstrates just how much of a complete farce our Criminal Justice System really is".

Hmmm, no, it just about sums up what rampant immigration has done to this country. Two white jurors and the other ten not white!

You guys are insensitive ars@holes, I expect it from bob but from a serving counsellor's husband - shocking. Is there any way of setting up a just giving page so the nicer people of Swindon can donate?

You will find that these two have not committed any crime. This all started with a disgruntled member of staff who coerced others into initially giving false evidence . The reason that 23 out of 25 have withdrawn their "evidence" is because it was false and wouldn't have stood up even in a Filipino court. The reason there are still two outstanding charges is because the witnesses cant be ar5ed to go to court. There is nothing in place in Filipino law to force them to court. In the U.K this would have been thrown out years ago.
Don't assume everyone is guilty , in Britain it's innocent until proven, over there it's the opposite and if you can't get witnesses to court then you are stuffed.
Don't comment unless you know the facts !

Localboy86 wrote:
You guys are insensitive ars@holes, I expect it from bob but from a serving counsellor's husband - shocking. Is there any way of setting up a just giving page so the nicer people of Swindon can donate?

Such eloquence just the sort of Chav's you'd expect to defend these two criminals.

Stilloyal wrote:
You will find that these two have not committed any crime. This all started with a disgruntled member of staff who coerced others into initially giving false evidence . The reason that 23 out of 25 have withdrawn their "evidence" is because it was false and wouldn't have stood up even in a Filipino court. The reason there are still two outstanding charges is because the witnesses cant be ar5ed to go to court. There is nothing in place in Filipino law to force them to court. In the U.K this would have been thrown out years ago.
Don't assume everyone is guilty , in Britain it's innocent until proven, over there it's the opposite and if you can't get witnesses to court then you are stuffed.
Don't comment unless you know the facts !

Who the hell are you to dictate to us who is allowed to comment on this thread? We have freedom of speech in this country (within reason thank goodness). You do not know 100% "beyond resonable doubt" that this couple are innocent! No smoke without fire springs to mind! The point you are missing my learnerd friend is that this couple ARE NOT IN BRITIAN! They failed to abide by the laws of the country they were living in and how dare you tell me not to comment. I will shout it from the highest roof top; abide by the laws of the country you live in and you will not go wrong; simples ;)

Richard pike wrote:

Stilloyal wrote: You will find that these two have not committed any crime. This all started with a disgruntled member of staff who coerced others into initially giving false evidence . The reason that 23 out of 25 have withdrawn their "evidence" is because it was false and wouldn't have stood up even in a Filipino court. The reason there are still two outstanding charges is because the witnesses cant be ar5ed to go to court. There is nothing in place in Filipino law to force them to court. In the U.K this would have been thrown out years ago. Don't assume everyone is guilty , in Britain it's innocent until proven, over there it's the opposite and if you can't get witnesses to court then you are stuffed. Don't comment unless you know the facts !

Who the hell are you to dictate to us who is allowed to comment on this thread? We have freedom of speech in this country (within reason thank goodness). You do not know 100% "beyond resonable doubt" that this couple are innocent! No smoke without fire springs to mind! The point you are missing my learnerd friend is that this couple ARE NOT IN BRITIAN! They failed to abide by the laws of the country they were living in and how dare you tell me not to comment. I will shout it from the highest roof top; abide by the laws of the country you live in and you will not go wrong; simples ;)

Of course you can comment but YOU don't know any facts whatsoever about this case.
THese two people have committed no crime as you will soon learn. I suggest you read again the facts that I have presented to you and digest them.
This isn't a case of people breaking the law in a foreign country, they broke no law. In the U.K this case would have been dropped four years ago . Let me remind you that even after four years they have not been formally charged only accused by a disgruntled ex employee , NO CHARGES HAVE BEEN MADE.
You and others are far too quick to assume guilt. You are small minded , open your mind and read the facts and stop judging people on hearsay. I REMIND YOU , THEY HAVE BROKEN NO LAWS, NO FORMAL CHARGES HAVE BEEN MADE EVEN AFTER FOUR YEARS. One word for you Bigot.

Richard pike wrote:

Localboy86 wrote:
You guys are insensitive ars@holes, I expect it from bob but from a serving counsellor's husband - shocking. Is there any way of setting up a just giving page so the nicer people of Swindon can donate?

Such eloquence just the sort of Chav's you'd expect to defend these two criminals.

Any relation to the pike recently featured in the adver for robbing his neighbours house?

Stilloyal wrote:

Richard pike wrote:

Stilloyal wrote: You will find that these two have not committed any crime. This all started with a disgruntled member of staff who coerced others into initially giving false evidence . The reason that 23 out of 25 have withdrawn their "evidence" is because it was false and wouldn't have stood up even in a Filipino court. The reason there are still two outstanding charges is because the witnesses cant be ar5ed to go to court. There is nothing in place in Filipino law to force them to court. In the U.K this would have been thrown out years ago. Don't assume everyone is guilty , in Britain it's innocent until proven, over there it's the opposite and if you can't get witnesses to court then you are stuffed. Don't comment unless you know the facts !

Who the hell are you to dictate to us who is allowed to comment on this thread? We have freedom of speech in this country (within reason thank goodness). You do not know 100% "beyond resonable doubt" that this couple are innocent! No smoke without fire springs to mind! The point you are missing my learnerd friend is that this couple ARE NOT IN BRITIAN! They failed to abide by the laws of the country they were living in and how dare you tell me not to comment. I will shout it from the highest roof top; abide by the laws of the country you live in and you will not go wrong; simples ;)

Of course you can comment but YOU don't know any facts whatsoever about this case.
THese two people have committed no crime as you will soon learn. I suggest you read again the facts that I have presented to you and digest them.
This isn't a case of people breaking the law in a foreign country, they broke no law. In the U.K this case would have been dropped four years ago . Let me remind you that even after four years they have not been formally charged only accused by a disgruntled ex employee , NO CHARGES HAVE BEEN MADE.
You and others are far too quick to assume guilt. You are small minded , open your mind and read the facts and stop judging people on hearsay. I REMIND YOU , THEY HAVE BROKEN NO LAWS, NO FORMAL CHARGES HAVE BEEN MADE EVEN AFTER FOUR YEARS. One word for you Bigot.

You n SHOUT AS LOUD AS YOU LIKE (which btw is considered rude in the internet land) Fact is though No-one bar the alleged criminals know the real facts of the case and unless you are typing this from a prison cell abroad I hate to inform you and your open mind don't know the facts either.

Their legal system is very different to ours henceforth the reason you need to understand this before living in another country.

Localboy86 wrote:

Richard pike wrote:

Localboy86 wrote:
You guys are insensitive ars@holes, I expect it from bob but from a serving counsellor's husband - shocking. Is there any way of setting up a just giving page so the nicer people of Swindon can donate?

Such eloquence just the sort of Chav's you'd expect to defend these two criminals.

Any relation to the pike recently featured in the adver for robbing his neighbours house?

Sorry to disappoint you but if you had a brain cell you would realise Pike is a common name but for the record no known criminals in my family.

Localboy86 wrote:
You guys are insensitive ars@holes, I expect it from bob but from a serving counsellor's husband - shocking. Is there any way of setting up a just giving page so the nicer people of Swindon can donate?

Yes, it's very quick, easy and free to do, so why don't you set one up?

Seeing as you're so 'nice' and all.

Cheers Oliver, I'll have a look and if it's as easy as you say i'll give it a go.

Stilloyal perhaps you ought to do a little research into how often this newspaper runs sob stories about poor innocent Brits abroad.

As has been said when setting up a business or simply living abroad checking how the law works is a sensible thing to do.