Illegal immigrant who had fake ID is spared jail (From This Is Wiltshire)

Yet another example of our pathetic immigration system and the failure, yet again, of a well known and lenient local judge failing to impose a sentence that would intiate deportation proceedings. This person should be deported immediately - no ifs or buts - on the first plane out of here.

Passing sentence Judge Euan Ambrose said "You're a criminal who should go to prison but there's a letter here saying you're a good bloke, so that's all right then."

He should be made to live with the judge, that would speed deportation along

Every single aspect of this case is utterly lamentable.

How can it be possible for a judge to publically state:

"You are a man who is a very admirable individual"

When the individual he is referring to is a convicted criminal standing directly in front of him, guilty of entering the country illegally, working here illegally and in possession on two illegal passports?

Since when did arriving here illegally to earn money illegally become acceptable simply because some of that money has been sent 'home' to Nigeria.

The only good thing about cases such as this is that they utterly destroy the argument of those who blindly claim that our justice system functions properly.

This case, and thousands of others like it, highlight just how spectacularly unfit for purpose our system is and how completely out of touch the judiciary is.

"decent to the core and of good moral character"

Apart from the long-term, serious criminality and law breaking.

What a complete farce. He's also pulled the classic wheeze of getting a local moron pregnant, which guarantees he'll be able to stay here as long as he likes, despite his criminality.

Why do we continue to accept this level of lunacy, let alone keep funding it?

Judge "Last Chance" Ambrose said:
“It will not take a particularly skillful mathematician to work out the effect of your remand time and time on curfew to work out that you have effectively already served the sentence I have passed.”

It will not take a particularly skillful reader of English to work out that "curfew" is exactly the same as "prison" in Ambrose-World.

How can 9 hours of freedom, outside of prison, *possibly* be considered equal to 12 hours in prison?

Yet another of Labour's abysmal laws that we're all now suffering because of... and the criminals are laughing about.

I am not British, I am an immigrant. I have always maintained that immigrants and even non-immigrants who violate the laws of the land should be punished severely. The reason criminals continue to commit their crimes is because they know they always get away with as much as a slap on their wrists. Anybody who is found with fake passports and ID documents should be ready to spend the rest of his miserable life behind bars.

I say these from an experienced point of view. I have skipped border posts for 22 years. I know what it is like being an immigrant. I made my opinions clear in my book, ‘Evicted from My Space’.

These judges really are out of touch and pathetic in dealing with criminals.

So what happens next, they allow him to continue living illegally in the country?

Me thinks there may be a wedding quite soon!

Why blame the judge? Who makes the laws--you got it--the politicians you vote in. The guy was in prison and the judge made it clear that he had been on a curfew which he also set out the law that allows it to be counted as prison time. Finally he gave credit for being the breadwinner for a woman with 3 kids. This was not a violent crime either.
There is no reason whatsoever for a poster to call the partner 'a local moron'.
We have all seen the millions spent in the courts trying to deport or extradite known terrorists and fanatics. That alone tells us how poor the law is in these cases.

LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
These judges really are out of touch and pathetic in dealing with criminals.

So what happens next, they allow him to continue living illegally in the country?

Me thinks there may be a wedding quite soon!

Why? He has absolutely no need to marry her now that he's fathered a kid here. He's wholly protected under good old Article 8 of Blair's Human Rights Act.

'Why blame the judge?' I'll tell you why:

Entering the UK on a fake or stolen passport - maximum sentence of 10 years in jail

Official UK Sentencing Guidelines

Even with the usual discount for pleading guilty, the judge in this case appears to have sentenced around 6 years too leniently. And how convenient that the sentence was 3 months short of being long enough to secure a deportation.

What a medacious farce.

And here's yet more proof that we are not equal in the eyes of the law and, despite bleating to the contrary, having children is indeed a 'get out of jail free' card:

is.gd/1UiV0G

'Why blame the judge?' - what a patently ridiculous thing to say.

Offence: Possession of False Identity Documents With Improper Intent
Legislation: S 4 IDENTITY DOCUMENTS ACT 2010
Commencement date: 21 January 2011
Statutory Limitations & Maximum Penalty: 10 years

Aggravating Factors: Nature of document. Intent. More than one document.

Precedent - almost exactly the same as the above case:

R. v. ADEBAYO EWCA Crim 878. The defendant went to an employment agency and produced two documents, a national insurance card and a Nigerian passport which were fake. The defendant claimed that he had entered the United Kingdom about 10 years earlier and had lost his Nigerian passport. He had paid £2,500 for the two false documents which he had produced. Sentenced 2 years reduce to 15 months. Recommendation for deportation.

The court considered R v Kolawole and R v Mutede and stated the distinction was between the use of a false passport which is "of very considerable significance to the security of this country and to the propriety of immigration laws" and cases where the defendant had a genuine passport, but used false documents in order to obtain employment .The court also stated that it is more serious to use false documents to seek to obtain employment than to open a bank account

'Why blame the judge?' - what a joke.

Fake ID - no jail
Fake Money - no jail
Selling drugs - no jail

What's the point of being honest and going straight.

We seem to have a topsy turvy legal system that doesn't know its 'a' from its 'e'.

Tim
Poor attempt--do use up to date precedents--and amendments.
Think about why HMRC and other agencies issued N.I. numbers and tax codes.

itsamess3 wrote:
Why blame the judge? Who makes the laws--you got it--the politicians you vote in. The guy was in prison and the judge made it clear that he had been on a curfew which he also set out the law that allows it to be counted as prison time. Finally he gave credit for being the breadwinner for a woman with 3 kids. This was not a violent crime either.
There is no reason whatsoever for a poster to call the partner 'a local moron'.
We have all seen the millions spent in the courts trying to deport or extradite known terrorists and fanatics. That alone tells us how poor the law is in these cases.

Hang on, you normally are telling us how wonderful the law is; how the system works and so on.... Now you claim it is poor.....


If he's a bread winner then he's also illegally working. Time to tack down the employer and prosecute them too.


Why reference a violent crime; as we have discussed numerous times they don't get sent to jail either and you think that is perfectly acceptable.

Lordash

"Why reference a violent crime; as we have discussed numerous times they don't get sent to jail either and you think that is perfectly acceptable.”

Not at all--what we have discussed is you upgrading a common assault to GBH and expecting a court to sentence so because with your far greater experience--you know better than the courts who judge on available evidence.

itsamess3 wrote:
Lordash

"Why reference a violent crime; as we have discussed numerous times they don't get sent to jail either and you think that is perfectly acceptable.”

Not at all--what we have discussed is you upgrading a common assault to GBH and expecting a court to sentence so because with your far greater experience--you know better than the courts who judge on available evidence.

You still didn't answer the question though; why reference violent crime. Violent crime isn't limited to GBH.


Go back and re-read the threads and articles, at least one of the cases most definitely included ABH.


The usual know it all evasiveness from you.

itsamess3 wrote:
Tim
Poor attempt--do use up to date precedents--and amendments.
Think about why HMRC and other agencies issued N.I. numbers and tax codes.

Stop being a fool:

Date produced: January 2012

How many 'amendments' have there been in the last 3 months then?

Still trying, and failing, to attempt to defend the indefensible are you?

This whole sorry saga just about sums up all that is wrong with the immigration laws in this country.
He IS an illegal immigrant, he should be on his way out of the country, end of.

Oik1 wrote:
This whole sorry saga just about sums up all that is wrong with the immigration laws in this country.
He IS an illegal immigrant, he should be on his way out of the country, end of.

It's as if common sense and logic has been deliberately inverted.

A man arrives here illegally, uses (two) illegal documents to illegally secure illegal work... and yet because he managed to illegally secure illegal work the judge says he's a thorough decent chap.

And we wonder why people arrive here illegally and there are no jobs around...

Oik1 wrote:
This whole sorry saga just about sums up all that is wrong with the immigration laws in this country.
He IS an illegal immigrant, he should be on his way out of the country, end of.

Tim
The case you gave was 2006--the precedent was earlier.

Oik1
Yes he should--but as Cameron has invited Indian students to study here and stay on to work-it does undermine the job of immigration.

Tim Newroman wrote:
And here's yet more proof that we are not equal in the eyes of the law and, despite bleating to the contrary, having children is indeed a 'get out of jail free' card:

is.gd/1UiV0G

It's not just having children. Even owning a dog will do the trick in Swindon:
http://goo.gl/GzSOS

itsamess3 wrote:

Oik1 wrote:
This whole sorry saga just about sums up all that is wrong with the immigration laws in this country.
He IS an illegal immigrant, he should be on his way out of the country, end of.

Tim
The case you gave was 2006--the precedent was earlier.

Oik1
Yes he should--but as Cameron has invited Indian students to study here and stay on to work-it does undermine the job of immigration.

a) the precedent I quoted related to a case almost identical in every way. Earlier cases had significant differences. Let's compare like with like and question why the judge in Swindon decided to operate as he did.

b) Indian students, here legally, have nothing to do with illegal Nigerian overstayers who posses two illegal passports, obtain work illegally and who live here for six years illegally. Do compare like for like.

itsamess3 wrote:

Oik1 wrote:
This whole sorry saga just about sums up all that is wrong with the immigration laws in this country.
He IS an illegal immigrant, he should be on his way out of the country, end of.

Tim
The case you gave was 2006--the precedent was earlier.

Oik1
Yes he should--but as Cameron has invited Indian students to study here and stay on to work-it does undermine the job of immigration.

itsamess3, there's a huge difference between Cameron inviting Indian students to study here legally (and then legally to remain here) and a self-confessed and convicted illegal immigrant. One group is legal. The other is a criminal. How does this 'undermine the job of immigration'?

Tim
There are numerous precedents since that case-ratified by the law commision that include minimum sentences.
Contrary to your belief the courts do not have to compare like for like--they are legally obliged to judge on the merits or not of the particular case.
An appeal either way is where precedents are argued.

As i stated my concerns are why HMRC failed to spot the NI number was false--they as you should know have more powers than the police.
As he is not british or an eu citizen he should not be able to claim HR.

As he is not british or an eu citizen he should not be able to claim HR

Well, you've certainly shown yourself up there. Dear oh dear.

No wonder nobody takes your posts seriously.

Judges do have to apply the law fairly and equally - or, at least, they're supposed to. There is no justification, whatsoever, for the lenient sentence handed down.

It is perfectly ridiculous to reduce a sentence of a convicted criminal, who has broken numerous laws, on the basis that they are earning money to support others illegally.

I am also highly disturbed and concerned that the judiciary are publically describing a convicted felon as an "admirable individual".

Presumably he'd be in line for the next Pope if he murdered somebody.

Now assuming that Itsamess means Human Rights, because we know he throws in acronyms willy nilly when he's struggling, I guess he hasn't heard of the The European Convention on Human Rights
ROME 4 November 1950, it is the fundamental principle that protects everyone, so how is he now saying he this criminal isn't protected by it.

This man is a criminal pure and simple and should be sent home. I would much rather he is expelled immediately rather than costing the tax payer even more money.

I wish you old boys would meet in private to have your ugly spats, leave us normal sane swindonians to enjoy our local rag in peace

Localboy86 wrote:
I wish you old boys would meet in private to have your ugly spats, leave us normal sane swindonians to enjoy our local rag in peace

Thanks for your input. As valuable and as interesting as ever.

The guy has come to this country to work and prosper. I say fair play to him, hes already contributed a lot more then some of the feckless locals living in this town.
I say substitute him for a scrounge and deport them to Nigeria instead.

Tim
"Well, you've certainly shown yourself up there. Dear oh dear"
On the contrary-thats one of your favourites when you are shown to be lacking in your claims.
Much the same as your nasty habit of malicious name calling as you called his partner "a local moron". With glowing references the judge quite correctly credited him for that and the fact that he supported her and 3 kids.
The case shows the many flaws in immigration law.
Blairs HRA is derived directly from the Magna Carta--perhaps you should read it.
Richard/bob
The clue being the guy is Nigerian a country not signatory to EU law etc. You are aware i have an in-law QC who has pointed out some peculiarities in this case because HMRC legitimised his status-the conviction could be appealled on that basis and far too complicated to explain here.
Sorry chaps no replies until i arrive back-long flight ahead.

itsamess3 still doesn't seem to have grasped the very basics of how the HRA works. Not surprising, given just how much he gets entirely wrong, but something he could easily have looked up on Google and not made such a mess of things so publically.

'Glowing references' - for arriving illegally, holding 2 illegal passports and working here illegally for many years. Just shows how retarded this country has become when a convicted criminal of that nature is 'admired' by the judiciary and the likes of itsamess3.

Finding a person who's already had 3 different kids by 3 different fathers in order to get the pregnant and secure your residency in a country you've entered illegally is the exact opposite of what the judiciary should be 'praising'.

Still, keep it up, people will eventually say enough is enough and this nonsense will come to an end. Our children will look back on this last period of 20 years and shake their heads in disbelief at how monumentally misguided we were.

Paul Trotman, defending, said his client was living with his partner of three years who was pregnant with his child.

He said she already had three children aged, 11, four and two with three different fathers

itsamess3: do note the ages of this woman's children and the length of time the criminal illegal immigrant is claimed to have been living with her.

flobby wrote:
The guy has come to this country to work and prosper. I say fair play to him, hes already contributed a lot more then some of the feckless locals living in this town.
I say substitute him for a scrounge and deport them to Nigeria instead.

Did you consider that because he is illegally living here and illegally employed, that job may have gone to one of the "feckless locals" (as YOU called them).

itsamess3 wrote:
Tim
"Well, you've certainly shown yourself up there. Dear oh dear"
On the contrary-thats one of your favourites when you are shown to be lacking in your claims.
Much the same as your nasty habit of malicious name calling as you called his partner "a local moron". With glowing references the judge quite correctly credited him for that and the fact that he supported her and 3 kids.
The case shows the many flaws in immigration law.
Blairs HRA is derived directly from the Magna Carta--perhaps you should read it.
Richard/bob
The clue being the guy is Nigerian a country not signatory to EU law etc. You are aware i have an in-law QC who has pointed out some peculiarities in this case because HMRC legitimised his status-the conviction could be appealled on that basis and far too complicated to explain here.
Sorry chaps no replies until i arrive back-long flight ahead.

My understanding is that the country is signed up to the Human Rights Act, and that means the country is subject to it; thus it applies to all in the country regardless as to whether they are here illegally or not and where their country of origin is......?

HMRC legitimised his status....? Really. You mean it was done on the back of multiple fake documents etc.... That's hardly make it legit.

@LordAshOfTheBrake: you are entirely correct.

itsamess3 appears to think that 'human rights' only apply to those humans who live in countries that have made the mistake of signing up to the abysmal act.

So, that would mean Chinese, Russians, Americans, Indians and Africans aren't covered. Near enough half the world's population.

Slow handclap for itsamess3, please.

Tim Newroman wrote:
@LordAshOfTheBrake: you are entirely correct.

itsamess3 appears to think that 'human rights' only apply to those humans who live in countries that have made the mistake of signing up to the abysmal act.

So, that would mean Chinese, Russians, Americans, Indians and Africans aren't covered. Near enough half the world's population.

Slow handclap for itsamess3, please.

He won't hear it because he's just jetted off to save the world - again!
Further communications should be addressed to his friendly family QC or Gordon Chalmers. I think they are both hooked up to a 24/7 satelite link with him, just in case he's needed back in the UK in an emergency.

Good old Itsamess, in a mess again. Amazing how he always throws in about his QC relative, never mentions who it is.

As he's just an inlaw it wouldn't identify the secret life of the nuclear scientist would it.

Still let's see how he worms his way out of his stupidity over the HRA.

I have added this link to the Magna Carta http://www.magnacart
aplus.org/magnacarta
/ so we don't continue to get a lecture from Mr I.

flobby wrote:
The guy has come to this country to work and prosper. I say fair play to him, hes already contributed a lot more then some of the feckless locals living in this town.
I say substitute him for a scrounge and deport them to Nigeria instead.

Contributed what? He's sending his illegally earned money to Nigeria where it benefits the Nigerian economy, not that of Swindon. At least your "feckless locals" would spend their money in the town, if they could find work that wasn't being done by fine upstanding admirable criminals who are happy to admit 'they shouldn't be here' when busted.

Who wouldn't have done the same thing as this bloke if the shoe was on the other foot

Localboy86 wrote:
Who wouldn't have done the same thing as this bloke if the shoe was on the other foot

Er, millions upon millions of Nigerians DON'T do what he did... because they're not dishonest criminals.

I note Mr Itsamess has diappeared again.

OK-back now and rested.
Tim
Other than you having little to zero knowledge as to human rights and the laws as to precedence-you are unable to work out salient facts.
The judge clearly passed the buck as he likely felt the jury reached the wrong decision. Obviously the judge felt there was something lacking in the agencies checks. You do conveniently forget that the defendant volunteered the information as to his passport and application for NI to enable him to work. HMRC work closely with both border and immigration and if there was no record of his legal entry you can guarantee an investigation took place.
You also missed the evidence that the youngest child was 2 years old and he had lived with her for 3 years and preferred to call her "a local moron"
You demonstrate your total lack of knowledge of Nigeria which is known as a hotbed of crime and violence and well known for internet scams.
You try to encourage others to join you in your reckless and malicious comments as you are obsessed with your self importance.
A.G.
At least i can excuse some of your comments due to your great age as your brain is not functioning well.
The train thread--where i disclosed the new HS2 lines were going ahead and a base in swindon-you kept on about the HS1s being electric powered-big difference eh. Likewise with fusion-the chinese had already taken over as world leaders as they had cracked the biggest obstacle.
Did i say i had jetted off to save the world? Nah--a simple inspection as part of a team of professionals and report back to my employers.
Thank you for mentioning Gordon a valued friend and neighbour suffering extreme poor health right now. My in-law is extremely busy as you would expect from a professional.
Do choose your playmates wisely.
Richard
As a wise person-i know it is unwise to give out names of professionals linked to me as i know that crackpots like you try to contact them-as you have tried in the past-failed every time which leads you to make up stories that are ludicrous.
"As he's just an inlaw it wouldn't identify the secret life of the nuclear scientist would it"
That sums you up doesnt't it? No brains as if they are an in-law records would show the family link.
The link you posted is next to useless as english law relies on precedents to determine how its enactment fits in with legislation on the widest variety of crimes and how it is to be interpreted in case law.
Do keep trying though as it really is amusing.

itsamess3 wrote:
OK-back now and rested.
Tim
Other than you having little to zero knowledge as to human rights and the laws as to precedence-you are unable to work out salient facts.
The judge clearly passed the buck as he likely felt the jury reached the wrong decision. Obviously the judge felt there was something lacking in the agencies checks. You do conveniently forget that the defendant volunteered the information as to his passport and application for NI to enable him to work. HMRC work closely with both border and immigration and if there was no record of his legal entry you can guarantee an investigation took place.
You also missed the evidence that the youngest child was 2 years old and he had lived with her for 3 years and preferred to call her "a local moron"
You demonstrate your total lack of knowledge of Nigeria which is known as a hotbed of crime and violence and well known for internet scams.
You try to encourage others to join you in your reckless and malicious comments as you are obsessed with your self importance.
A.G.
At least i can excuse some of your comments due to your great age as your brain is not functioning well.
The train thread--where i disclosed the new HS2 lines were going ahead and a base in swindon-you kept on about the HS1s being electric powered-big difference eh. Likewise with fusion-the chinese had already taken over as world leaders as they had cracked the biggest obstacle.
Did i say i had jetted off to save the world? Nah--a simple inspection as part of a team of professionals and report back to my employers.
Thank you for mentioning Gordon a valued friend and neighbour suffering extreme poor health right now. My in-law is extremely busy as you would expect from a professional.
Do choose your playmates wisely.
Richard
As a wise person-i know it is unwise to give out names of professionals linked to me as i know that crackpots like you try to contact them-as you have tried in the past-failed every time which leads you to make up stories that are ludicrous.
"As he's just an inlaw it wouldn't identify the secret life of the nuclear scientist would it"
That sums you up doesnt't it? No brains as if they are an in-law records would show the family link.
The link you posted is next to useless as english law relies on precedents to determine how its enactment fits in with legislation on the widest variety of crimes and how it is to be interpreted in case law.
Do keep trying though as it really is amusing.

Yet again emphasising to everyone that you have travelled abroad with work (do we really care?). I'm sure that lots of people who post here do the same - it's really not that unusual!

Why do you have to continually tell us about it? Do you think that it makes us all think that your posts here are so much more important as you are an international traveller? Does it support your Walter Mitty alter ego?

Do you ever watch BBC iplayer when you are abroad? I just wonder due to your obvious lack of understanding of internet technologies in your posts. Ever used a VPN or proxy?

You know what, I'm going to risk you tracking my computer down by posting:

http://alturl.com/jm
wgj

Pleas look at this from "7:56am Fri 27 Jan 12" onwards is absolutely hilarious!

Has Bob been arrested yet, as promised?

By the way itsamess0/1/2/3 (have you really been banned that many times?) Please note that unlike you I never switch on the email notifications for posts here - I'm really not that interested.

So feel free to post your normal rambling reply which as usual totally ignores what was originally said and tries to divert from the fact that you really don't know what the f***k you are talking about!

Is it true that in the cinema they are going to replace James Bond with Gordon Chalmers - license to talk b*llocks?

Your usual nonsense then-

@itsamess3: hmm, seems you required far more 'rest' (or medication) prior to posting.

Everything you posted is nonsense and has nothing to do with what anyone else has previously posted.

The woman he's living with had another child by another man WHILE he was living with her!

Where have I demonstrated a lack of knowledge about Nigeria? It matters not what a nation is like, a person who arrives here illegal is an illegal immigrant and a criminal - as this man very clearly is, he's been convicted, in case you'd missed that.

You allegations concerning malpractice by the judge in this case is very interesting. Very interesting indeed.

itsamess3 wrote:
OK-back now and rested.
Tim
Other than you having little to zero knowledge as to human rights and the laws as to precedence-you are unable to work out salient facts.
The judge clearly passed the buck as he likely felt the jury reached the wrong decision. Obviously the judge felt there was something lacking in the agencies checks. You do conveniently forget that the defendant volunteered the information as to his passport and application for NI to enable him to work. HMRC work closely with both border and immigration and if there was no record of his legal entry you can guarantee an investigation took place.
You also missed the evidence that the youngest child was 2 years old and he had lived with her for 3 years and preferred to call her "a local moron"
You demonstrate your total lack of knowledge of Nigeria which is known as a hotbed of crime and violence and well known for internet scams.
You try to encourage others to join you in your reckless and malicious comments as you are obsessed with your self importance.
A.G.
At least i can excuse some of your comments due to your great age as your brain is not functioning well.
The train thread--where i disclosed the new HS2 lines were going ahead and a base in swindon-you kept on about the HS1s being electric powered-big difference eh. Likewise with fusion-the chinese had already taken over as world leaders as they had cracked the biggest obstacle.
Did i say i had jetted off to save the world? Nah--a simple inspection as part of a team of professionals and report back to my employers.
Thank you for mentioning Gordon a valued friend and neighbour suffering extreme poor health right now. My in-law is extremely busy as you would expect from a professional.
Do choose your playmates wisely.
Richard
As a wise person-i know it is unwise to give out names of professionals linked to me as i know that crackpots like you try to contact them-as you have tried in the past-failed every time which leads you to make up stories that are ludicrous.
"As he's just an inlaw it wouldn't identify the secret life of the nuclear scientist would it"
That sums you up doesnt't it? No brains as if they are an in-law records would show the family link.
The link you posted is next to useless as english law relies on precedents to determine how its enactment fits in with legislation on the widest variety of crimes and how it is to be interpreted in case law.
Do keep trying though as it really is amusing.

What do you mean the judge passed the buck? The judge has a reputation for lenient sentencing and that is exactly what happened.

Quote "But he read from one of the letters which described Malik as “decent to the core and of good moral character”. "

So the judge used information from interested parties to decide the criminal was decent to the core and of good moral character. That is absolutely ridiculous.

Regardless as to whether the authorities screwed up, the guy had a fake passport and NI number. He openly admits to having a fake passport used to secure employment.

The women is an interesting part in this; are there not crimes around aiding and abetting. I also think that her financial position should be investigated by the Department for Work and Pensions given that he is "living" with her and supposedly financially supporting her; whilst sending money back to Nigeria. He must have a pretty good job to be doing all that for someone with 3 kids and a fourth on the way.

Additionally it is claimed she already has 3 children by 3 different fathers and a fourth on the way. If the man in question was the father of the 3rd child, then the article would have stated that.


Perhaps its time that judge Ambrose was put out to pasture. His actions as a judge are nearly always on the side of helping the criminal; just like the burglar who committed 134 robberies; that is over 100 victims....! With all your legal knowledge perhaps you can advise those of us who want a safer and more secure Swindon for our kids to grow up in how we go about this.

Oh dear itsamess, still trying to worm your way out of your complete failure to understand the difference between fusion and fission, trains that run on electricity and of course (which you failed to mention) was your total ignorance as to how fossils are found in different places - washed up by waves indeed - you haven't a clue. My granddaughter knows far more than you on all these topics and she's only a teenager.
You really do look so foolish every time you post, but the funny thing is you can't see it.
As to the Phantom Posters link - that was hilarious and what a total prat you looked there.
Anyway, keep it all up, you bring amusement to so many people every time you post. We all need your humorous ramblings to read to cheer us all up in these austere times.
Sorry to hear your fictious friend Gordon Chalmers is unwell. Isn't it about time you killed him off and told everyone he was having a State Funeral and then invented a new friend? What about the new Pope, that would impress us all.

Lordash
For months you have been telling us all about the crimes you have witnessed and did very little about.
If you believe you have sufficient facts to support your claims against a judge you can look up the procedure on the net.
You can get advice from CAB.
Far better than making rather feeble claims on here that could bounce back on you--put up or shut up.

A.G.
All your post says is you pay very little attention-i put it down to your age.

itsamess3 wrote:
Lordash
For months you have been telling us all about the crimes you have witnessed and did very little about.
If you believe you have sufficient facts to support your claims against a judge you can look up the procedure on the net.
You can get advice from CAB.
Far better than making rather feeble claims on here that could bounce back on you--put up or shut up.

Same old, same old.

You made a claim about the judge passing the buck because he likely felt the jury made the wrong decision... LOL.

A judge has no mandate to do that. You are the one that keeps going on about how well the system functions etc etc.

Your usual exaggeration about me going on for months about crimes I witness is simply an attempt to divert attention from your know it all inaccuracies.

What claims do you think will bounce back against me? Or is this an attempt to threaten me into giving up and remaining silence on these forums? What are these feeble claims I'm making?

Perhaps you think that it is acceptable for someone to commit 134 robberies and not be sent to prison.

Lordash

"Perhaps you think that it is acceptable for someone to commit 134 robberies and not be sent to prison.”

Do get your facts correct.

itsamess3 wrote:
A.G.
All your post says is you pay very little attention-i put it down to your age.

Not denying, as usual, that you have it all completely wrong.
Why don't you get some of 'your team' to go through all your carefully archived records. Oh, that would be because you don't have 'a team', no archives and you would be shown to be completely wrong - as usual.
All your posts say, is that you pay very little attention to the truth. A compulsive liar and fantasist who everyone mocks and laughs at.
Of course, as with everything else, you don't have a clue as to my age. But then you've proved time and time again you're not very good at figures.
You really must try harder - you're just not a worthy opponent, just a miserable and sad loser.

itsamess3 wrote:
Lordash

"Perhaps you think that it is acceptable for someone to commit 134 robberies and not be sent to prison.”

Do get your facts correct.

Which facts are incorrect.

The guy committed 134 offenses and received a suspended sentence.

He is only now being sent to prison due to a breach of the conditions of the suspended sentence.

Feel free to advise which bits of the above are incorrect.

The judge passing the suspended sentence was Ambrose!

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Lord

"Perhaps you think that it is acceptable for someone to commit 134 robberies and not be sent to prison.”
He was convicted in Oct of burglaries-not robberies. He was recalled to the court for failing to turn up to meetings agreed as part of the sentence--the judge activated the sentence.
As i said--get your facts correct.

A.G.
"Of course, as with everything else, you don't have a clue as to my age. But then you've proved time and time again you're not very good at figures".

Guess you have forgotten where i learned that--from one of your posts-not that many days ago either--or was that more of your b/s?

itsamess3 wrote:
Lord

"Perhaps you think that it is acceptable for someone to commit 134 robberies and not be sent to prison.”
He was convicted in Oct of burglaries-not robberies. He was recalled to the court for failing to turn up to meetings agreed as part of the sentence--the judge activated the sentence.
As i said--get your facts correct.

Even so, do you think it is acceptable for someone to commit 134 burglaries and not be sentenced to jail time.

You can argue about the technical differences between robbery, theft, burglary and so on. It does not change the fact that 134 offenses were convicted up on and this individual did not get sent to jail.

I stand by my original viewpoint that Judge Ambrose is regularly on the side of the criminal rather than victims and offers soft sentencing accordingly. By his own admission in that specific case the criminal was "fortunate" not to go to jail. I'm sure his victims share that view and consider the criminal got a just sentence.

It is only because he breached the suspended sentence terms he eventually did get sent to jail.

So he did get sent to jail for the original crimes--burglary--yo
u have no argument so kindly shut up and if you want to report the judge--do it with the correct procedure.

itsamess3 wrote:
So he did get sent to jail for the original crimes--burglary--yo

u have no argument so kindly shut up and if you want to report the judge--do it with the correct procedure.

Showing your true colours again by getting insulting and rude.....?


He did not get sent to jail for committing the burglaries. He got sent to jail for breaching the terms of his suspended sentence.

itsamess3 wrote:
A.G.
"Of course, as with everything else, you don't have a clue as to my age. But then you've proved time and time again you're not very good at figures".

Guess you have forgotten where i learned that--from one of your posts-not that many days ago either--or was that more of your b/s?

You made a guess, based on a number of variables, which was incorrect and I responded 'does it'?
Perhaps you had forgotton that or was that just more of your ****?
Like I said, not very good at figures are you and not very bright?
Very dangerous to make assumptions, you make yourself look so, so stupid. Mind, you do that on such a regular basis you probably don't even realise you're doing it.

itsamess3 wrote:
Your usual nonsense then-

So what's my computers MAC address then? You are the one who has claimed to have tracked it down

Or does the self proclaimed internationally renowned nuclear physicist admit to not having a clue as to what he is talking about?

Your usual nonsense then-

I do hope that itsamess won't reply with any of his stock phrases, such as "you really fell right into a trap" or "you really are not very smart"!

Still waiting for itsamess to track me down and come knocking on my door! I'm still considering whether or not to complain to the Adver regarding his threats.

If itsamess gets up anyones nose then just cut and paste the following:

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itsamess3 wrote:
Lord

"Perhaps you think that it is acceptable for someone to commit 134 robberies and not be sent to prison.”
He was convicted in Oct of burglaries-not robberies. He was recalled to the court for failing to turn up to meetings agreed as part of the sentence--the judge activated the sentence.
As i said--get your facts correct.

You have merely repeated what i said.
Further you cannot tell the difference between robbery and burglary.
If you believe the judge has given unduly lenient sentences then you should use the procedure to lay your complaint. At the same time you could complain to the DPP as to the CPS not appealling these unduly lenient sentences as clearly you know far more than they do.

You said they got sent to jail for their burglary. They didn't. That is clear for all to read as the convicted criminal got a suspended sentence.

Surely with your vastly superior knowledge know that that is not the same as being sent to jail there and then.

They only got sent to jail for breach of conditions imposed on the suspended sentence.

LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
You said they got sent to jail for their burglary. They didn't. That is clear for all to read as the convicted criminal got a suspended sentence.

Surely with your vastly superior knowledge know that that is not the same as being sent to jail there and then.

They only got sent to jail for breach of conditions imposed on the suspended sentence.

Be very careful you don't confuse itsamess - oh, you have!