Wiltshire teachers back strike strategy (From This Is Wiltshire)

A totally predictable response from this bunch of self-interested whiners who truly believe that austerity in the UK does not apply to them. Just look at these quotes: "there's no evidence to show performance related pay works" and "the last thing members want to do is strike". Are these people living in some sort of parallel universe? Or how about "there is increasing concern about workload" - so just remind us all, how many days leave do teachers get in a year? Or "it's really something that is necessary for the future of education in this country". No, it's something that is necessary to protect the cushy life-styles of these selfish hypocrites. And "the unions are protesting against a pension age of 68 or higher" - well just look at how much longer people are living nowadays and what is happening to pensions elsewhere. Or perhaps these deluded teachers really believe that they are destined to die young after their "hard" life? And just study the statistics - for example, how many teachers have been sacked for incompetence in (say) the last decade? The government needs to remove the ring-fencing that is currently protecting the education budget and sack a few thousand teachers because they are not up to the job and deserve it, and to set an example to the others. We do not need to look far to see just what teachers or head-teachers get away with and how much they cost the hard-working taxpayer as the reports in the WT over recent months about a certain school in Frome Road, Trowbridge demonstrably prove.

Did you have a bad experience as a child with a teacher?

Dummer_Frauenfahrer wrote:
A totally predictable response from this bunch of self-interested whiners who truly believe that austerity in the UK does not apply to them. Just look at these quotes: "there's no evidence to show performance related pay works" and "the last thing members want to do is strike". Are these people living in some sort of parallel universe? Or how about "there is increasing concern about workload" - so just remind us all, how many days leave do teachers get in a year? Or "it's really something that is necessary for the future of education in this country". No, it's something that is necessary to protect the cushy life-styles of these selfish hypocrites. And "the unions are protesting against a pension age of 68 or higher" - well just look at how much longer people are living nowadays and what is happening to pensions elsewhere. Or perhaps these deluded teachers really believe that they are destined to die young after their "hard" life? And just study the statistics - for example, how many teachers have been sacked for incompetence in (say) the last decade? The government needs to remove the ring-fencing that is currently protecting the education budget and sack a few thousand teachers because they are not up to the job and deserve it, and to set an example to the others. We do not need to look far to see just what teachers or head-teachers get away with and how much they cost the hard-working taxpayer as the reports in the WT over recent months about a certain school in Frome Road, Trowbridge demonstrably prove.

Have you ever taught 30 children in a classroom ? What do you want to be when you grow up !

I'd rather chew my arm off than teach teenagers.

""And just study the statistics - for example, how many teachers have been sacked for incompetence in (say) the last decade? The government needs to remove the ring-fencing that is currently protecting the education budget and sack a few thousand teachers because they are not up to the job and deserve it,""
So come on - who are these incompetent teachers - and just HOW did you decide they were incompetent? (Don't people have to be PROVEN to be incompetent, by those FIT to judge them?)
Is this a new version of teacher-bashing? Just point the finger & sack a few thousand? Then increase the average class size to about 55. THEN whine about the lack of decent education and the need for a few more teachers....
Education - some of us didn't get past the basics.

"Did you have a bad experience as a child with a teacher?" Personally no, but many did as all those police investigations into historical cases of sexual abuse by teachers clearly prove.
"What do you want to be when you grow up !" I retired (early) several years
ago. My chosen career is my business.
"I'd rather chew my arm off than teach teenagers". Waste of a good arm IMHO but the bottom line is this: nobody is forced to be a teacher; if they don't like the job then do what anyone else would do and get out. There are plenty of Eastern Europeans currently in the UK (and many more coming in the future) who are more than willing to do the job for the salary and T&Cs now on offer. We do not need the likes of NUT and NASUWT: fully unreconstituted Marxists like Blower and Keates are an anachronism in modern-day UK.

Dummer_Frauenfahrer wrote:
"Did you have a bad experience as a child with a teacher?" Personally no, but many did as all those police investigations into historical cases of sexual abuse by teachers clearly prove.
"What do you want to be when you grow up !" I retired (early) several years
ago. My chosen career is my business.
"I'd rather chew my arm off than teach teenagers". Waste of a good arm IMHO but the bottom line is this: nobody is forced to be a teacher; if they don't like the job then do what anyone else would do and get out. There are plenty of Eastern Europeans currently in the UK (and many more coming in the future) who are more than willing to do the job for the salary and T&Cs now on offer. We do not need the likes of NUT and NASUWT: fully unreconstituted Marxists like Blower and Keates are an anachronism in modern-day UK.

Who said a few thousand of our teachers needed to be sacked? You did.
And why? Because YOU decided that they were incompetent.
Good job they DO have unions with throwbacks like you about.
And I'd say your chosen "business" isn't too mentally taxing.
"Fully unreconstituted" - what?!

Dumber said; "...nobody is forced to be a teacher; if they don't like the job then do what anyone else would do and get out. There are plenty of Eastern Europeans currently in the UK (and many more coming in the future) who are more than willing to do the job for the salary..."

Have any teachers actually said they don't like the job?

You mentioned studying statistics, have you studied the statistics into how many of the plenty of Eastern Europeans you refer to are trained teachers?

Are you a berk?

good luck with the strike...it'll be a pointless exercise but good luck. If the private sector is struggling, then so will the public sector. I wish i could have 14 weeks paid holiday a year like you all but instead i've got 2.5% pay increase so i'm happy.

jigsaw 5 wrote:
good luck with the strike...it'll be a pointless exercise but good luck. If the private sector is struggling, then so will the public sector. I wish i could have 14 weeks paid holiday a year like you all but instead i've got 2.5% pay increase so i'm happy.

I know we all like to hit teachers over the head with their holiday allowance (let's face it - THEY didn't decide that the kids needed 14 weeks!) but perhaps - with the targets they have to meet - together with the evidence of teaching plans and the work they have to check etc., I'd be interested to find out how long the average day is and how much of that 14 weeks is eaten into.
I think you're right about the strike - I don't think there'll be much of an offer on the table. They'll be lucky to match your pay rise.

Mrs Donnyfly wrote:
Dumber said; "...nobody is forced to be a teacher; if they don't like the job then do what anyone else would do and get out. There are plenty of Eastern Europeans currently in the UK (and many more coming in the future) who are more than willing to do the job for the salary..."

Have any teachers actually said they don't like the job?

You mentioned studying statistics, have you studied the statistics into how many of the plenty of Eastern Europeans you refer to are trained teachers?

Are you a berk?

Personal abuse is always the sure-fire sign of a person who has lost the argument. I'm off to Tenerife now to enjoy the sunshine over Easter.

Dummer_Frauenfahrer wrote:

Mrs Donnyfly wrote:
Dumber said; "...nobody is forced to be a teacher; if they don't like the job then do what anyone else would do and get out. There are plenty of Eastern Europeans currently in the UK (and many more coming in the future) who are more than willing to do the job for the salary..."

Have any teachers actually said they don't like the job?

You mentioned studying statistics, have you studied the statistics into how many of the plenty of Eastern Europeans you refer to are trained teachers?

Are you a berk?

Personal abuse is always the sure-fire sign of a person who has lost the argument. I'm off to Tenerife now to enjoy the sunshine over Easter.

What argument? What personal abuse?

Dummer, your post wasn't abusive?
You wrote about: self-interested whiners" "these selfish hypocrites" "How many teachers have been sacked for incompetence in (say) the last decade?" "sack a few thousand teachers because they are not up to the job and deserve it" "fully unreconstituted Marxists like Blower and Keates are an anachronism"
Followed by:
"Personal abuse is always the sure-fire sign of a person who has lost the argument."
Your entire post was abusive and condescending toward the entire teaching profession - then you get upset at the abuse YOU receive in return.
You're a berk.

Your sensibilities must be extremely fragile if you feel personally abused by being asked if you are a berk.