Under-fire Swindon mayor hits back after vote of no confidence

This Is Wiltshire: Swindon mayor Nick Martin Swindon mayor Nick Martin

TROUBLED Mayor of Swindon, Nick Martin, has hit back at his critics ahead of a crucial vote of no confidence in his position.

Calling the motion a ‘vicious political attack’, he has accused the Labour group at Swindon Council of bullying and ignoring proper procedures, but could not deny the accusations levelled at him.

The mayor is alleged to have used the word ‘mongol’ in a meeting about care for disabled adults. “I am not certain whether I used the wrong word or not,” he said.

“If I used the wrong name for something someone should have picked me up on it. This is a political attack on the mayorship, which happens to be me.”

Yesterday it was revealed Mayor Martin had offered his resignation in exchange for the complaints against him being dropped.

“The business about me offering to resign was a private conversation, where it was said a mess was being made of the mayoral situation,” he said. “I said that I have broad shoulders but if they wanted to clear the deck then I would walk away.

“There seems to be a level of vindictiveness that the Labour group refuse to withdraw their objections and will hold this vote before the standards board report.

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“They have almost done enough to bring me down, but I am not going to give them the satisfaction of walking away from their mess.”

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2:19pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Davey Gravey says...

Looks like Mayor Martin got himself into the mess but that aint stopped him having a dog at Labour. When are these people going to realise that the public are fed up with the tit for tat accusations they make of each other?
Looks like Mayor Martin got himself into the mess but that aint stopped him having a dog at Labour. When are these people going to realise that the public are fed up with the tit for tat accusations they make of each other? Davey Gravey

2:22pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Wildwestener says...

If he cannot remember whether he used this expression then he needs to walk. The very idea that he might of is enough to make him unfit for public office. What a complete disgrace. For the sake of us all, go.
If he cannot remember whether he used this expression then he needs to walk. The very idea that he might of is enough to make him unfit for public office. What a complete disgrace. For the sake of us all, go. Wildwestener

3:52pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Ringer says...

The mayor is correct in that the local Labour group are desperately trying to make political capital out of this and there's no doubt whatsoever that it's politically motivated.

Still, a person of his experience should be well aware that ANY opportunity to score points will be leapt on these days, especially by Labour types who just love it when somebody says something less than politically correct.

What's the betting that those who claim to be so 'offended' by the mayor's language aren't even disabled themselves?
The mayor is correct in that the local Labour group are desperately trying to make political capital out of this and there's no doubt whatsoever that it's politically motivated. Still, a person of his experience should be well aware that ANY opportunity to score points will be leapt on these days, especially by Labour types who just love it when somebody says something less than politically correct. What's the betting that those who claim to be so 'offended' by the mayor's language aren't even disabled themselves? Ringer

4:08pm Tue 3 Dec 13

knittynora says...

Ringer wrote:
The mayor is correct in that the local Labour group are desperately trying to make political capital out of this and there's no doubt whatsoever that it's politically motivated.

Still, a person of his experience should be well aware that ANY opportunity to score points will be leapt on these days, especially by Labour types who just love it when somebody says something less than politically correct.

What's the betting that those who claim to be so 'offended' by the mayor's language aren't even disabled themselves?
So do you have to be personally insulted before you can be offended by such a crass comment? It wasn't just" less than politically correct, it was shameful!
[quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: The mayor is correct in that the local Labour group are desperately trying to make political capital out of this and there's no doubt whatsoever that it's politically motivated. Still, a person of his experience should be well aware that ANY opportunity to score points will be leapt on these days, especially by Labour types who just love it when somebody says something less than politically correct. What's the betting that those who claim to be so 'offended' by the mayor's language aren't even disabled themselves?[/p][/quote]So do you have to be personally insulted before you can be offended by such a crass comment? It wasn't just" less than politically correct, it was shameful! knittynora

4:24pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Wiltshirereader says...

Totally unacceptable comments from the Mayor (I wouldn't even dream of writing the offensive word again) and he should know so much better. Time to hold your hands up, admit you were very much in the wrong and WALK!
Totally unacceptable comments from the Mayor (I wouldn't even dream of writing the offensive word again) and he should know so much better. Time to hold your hands up, admit you were very much in the wrong and WALK! Wiltshirereader

4:39pm Tue 3 Dec 13

benzss says...

I'm not even that sure why Mongolians shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.
I'm not even that sure why Mongolians shouldn't be allowed to reproduce. benzss

4:55pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Peter Mallinson says...

The Standards Board are the people to decide if the allegations are true not the media or Advertiser readers.

Unless you were there at the time and heard the remark then you should hold back on judgement.

Is it fair to have a person tried first by the Media and then after some time again by the Standards Board. Clearly it is not.

Until the "evidence" has been looked at and examined it does no good to comment.

There will be people who feel very hurt about what has been reported for personal and private reasons but I feel they should hold back in judgement until Councillor Martin has had a chance to formally defend himself.
The Standards Board are the people to decide if the allegations are true not the media or Advertiser readers. Unless you were there at the time and heard the remark then you should hold back on judgement. Is it fair to have a person tried first by the Media and then after some time again by the Standards Board. Clearly it is not. Until the "evidence" has been looked at and examined it does no good to comment. There will be people who feel very hurt about what has been reported for personal and private reasons but I feel they should hold back in judgement until Councillor Martin has had a chance to formally defend himself. Peter Mallinson

5:00pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Al Smith says...

Ringer wrote:
The mayor is correct in that the local Labour group are desperately trying to make political capital out of this and there's no doubt whatsoever that it's politically motivated.

Still, a person of his experience should be well aware that ANY opportunity to score points will be leapt on these days, especially by Labour types who just love it when somebody says something less than politically correct.

What's the betting that those who claim to be so 'offended' by the mayor's language aren't even disabled themselves?
The Conservatives would be doing exactly the same if it was Labour.

This isn't the first time a Conservative councillor has been accused of something like this, some of us remember Owen Lister. However, Owen Lister is more of man than Cllr Martin because at least he stood down from the role of deputy mayor when the accusations were made. Unlike Cllr Martin who WAS found to have behaved inappropriately towards a senior council officer but clung onto his position (of deputy mayor and then mayor) for dear life - backed by the then leader of SBC Cllr Bluh.

We have very low standards in politics now and personally I think anyone who thinks Cllr Martin is suitable mayoral material is just helping standards sink even lower (and if they are political figures doing a great disservice to the people of Swindon who frankly deserve better).
[quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: The mayor is correct in that the local Labour group are desperately trying to make political capital out of this and there's no doubt whatsoever that it's politically motivated. Still, a person of his experience should be well aware that ANY opportunity to score points will be leapt on these days, especially by Labour types who just love it when somebody says something less than politically correct. What's the betting that those who claim to be so 'offended' by the mayor's language aren't even disabled themselves?[/p][/quote]The Conservatives would be doing exactly the same if it was Labour. This isn't the first time a Conservative councillor has been accused of something like this, some of us remember Owen Lister. However, Owen Lister is more of man than Cllr Martin because at least he stood down from the role of deputy mayor when the accusations were made. Unlike Cllr Martin who WAS found to have behaved inappropriately towards a senior council officer but clung onto his position (of deputy mayor and then mayor) for dear life - backed by the then leader of SBC Cllr Bluh. We have very low standards in politics now and personally I think anyone who thinks Cllr Martin is suitable mayoral material is just helping standards sink even lower (and if they are political figures doing a great disservice to the people of Swindon who frankly deserve better). Al Smith

5:27pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Ringer says...

knittynora wrote:
Ringer wrote:
The mayor is correct in that the local Labour group are desperately trying to make political capital out of this and there's no doubt whatsoever that it's politically motivated.

Still, a person of his experience should be well aware that ANY opportunity to score points will be leapt on these days, especially by Labour types who just love it when somebody says something less than politically correct.

What's the betting that those who claim to be so 'offended' by the mayor's language aren't even disabled themselves?
So do you have to be personally insulted before you can be offended by such a crass comment? It wasn't just" less than politically correct, it was shameful!
No, but it's all down to personal interpretation.

My point was that the majority, if not all, of those who claim to be 'offended' by the word 'mongol' are not *really* offended by the word at all, they're just leaping on something they know can be used to play the injured party and to attack the person who allegedly said it.

You hear far worse in the street every day of the week and it's about time we stopped crying and wailing about being 'offended' every two minutes in this country. It demeans things that are actually imported and which do actually affect people.

For example, the alleged use of the word 'mongol' doesn't *offend* me, so why is it automatically a 'vote of no confidence' just because some people do claim to be offended? When did being offended automatically trump not being offended?

Being offended isn't an emotional state, it's not even a natural human state, it's something people CHOOSE to be - and usually for reasons very much other than that which they claim to be offended about.

It was (allegedly) a bit crass and it was un-PC, but quite frankly many people are entirely sick and tired of everyone having to toe some quite imaginary PC line that nobody *really* sticks to behind closed doors in any case. It's all so hypocritical and pathetic.
[quote][p][bold]knittynora[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: The mayor is correct in that the local Labour group are desperately trying to make political capital out of this and there's no doubt whatsoever that it's politically motivated. Still, a person of his experience should be well aware that ANY opportunity to score points will be leapt on these days, especially by Labour types who just love it when somebody says something less than politically correct. What's the betting that those who claim to be so 'offended' by the mayor's language aren't even disabled themselves?[/p][/quote]So do you have to be personally insulted before you can be offended by such a crass comment? It wasn't just" less than politically correct, it was shameful![/p][/quote]No, but it's all down to personal interpretation. My point was that the majority, if not all, of those who claim to be 'offended' by the word 'mongol' are not *really* offended by the word at all, they're just leaping on something they know can be used to play the injured party and to attack the person who allegedly said it. You hear far worse in the street every day of the week and it's about time we stopped crying and wailing about being 'offended' every two minutes in this country. It demeans things that are actually imported and which do actually affect people. For example, the alleged use of the word 'mongol' doesn't *offend* me, so why is it automatically a 'vote of no confidence' just because some people do claim to be offended? When did being offended automatically trump not being offended? Being offended isn't an emotional state, it's not even a natural human state, it's something people CHOOSE to be - and usually for reasons very much other than that which they claim to be offended about. It was (allegedly) a bit crass and it was un-PC, but quite frankly many people are entirely sick and tired of everyone having to toe some quite imaginary PC line that nobody *really* sticks to behind closed doors in any case. It's all so hypocritical and pathetic. Ringer

6:05pm Tue 3 Dec 13

southside7 says...

What goes around, comes around Nick.
What goes around, comes around Nick. southside7

6:36pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Mr_Stig says...

Oh Dear Nick what a mess you and your mouth have got you in now, live by the sword die by the sword buddy! You've made my christmas
“I don’t recall it at all,” said Coun Martin.(in my opinion means doh i said it got caught so lets not recall it, simples)
The mayor vehemently denies the claim? (Doh, this is a bit more sensitive than i initially thought- deny deny deny)
Unwell mayor has been signed off from work (oh dear I'm in the poo poo, stress stress stress- claim insanity or let the some one else clean up from under then fan when it all settles down)
The motion had been due to be brought at last month’s full council meeting, but Coun Martin did not attend as he had a dentist appointment (to remove his foot from mouth)
And now it is understood leader of the council David Renard had accepted the resignation of the troubled mayor in exchange for the allegations being dropped from investigation by the standards committee. (Maybe i did say it got caught so time to walk away in shame but blackmail them to drop the complaint)
f I used the wrong name for something someone should have picked me up on it. This is a political attack on the mayorship, which happens to be me.” (Nope, definitely You and your mouth- smoke screen to shift focus in my opinion)
They have almost done enough to bring me down, but I am not going to give them the satisfaction of walking away from their mess.” (well kiddo chin up- it is actually all your mess if you did mumble or say something similar they just want you held accountable for your comments. Granted their word against theirs but I'm sure if more than one person heard it they all can't be liars? After seeing you on numerous occasions "lose the cool" shall we say i doubt their will be many jumping to your defence- maybe to try to save some face for the conservative group maybe- but for you kiddo- **WAVING SMILEY**) All opinions my own and can't wait for the cries of "felix, felix felix buddy"
Oh Dear Nick what a mess you and your mouth have got you in now, live by the sword die by the sword buddy! You've made my christmas “I don’t recall it at all,” said Coun Martin.(in my opinion means doh i said it got caught so lets not recall it, simples) The mayor vehemently denies the claim? (Doh, this is a bit more sensitive than i initially thought- deny deny deny) Unwell mayor has been signed off from work (oh dear I'm in the poo poo, stress stress stress- claim insanity or let the some one else clean up from under then fan when it all settles down) The motion had been due to be brought at last month’s full council meeting, but Coun Martin did not attend as he had a dentist appointment (to remove his foot from mouth) And now it is understood leader of the council David Renard had accepted the resignation of the troubled mayor in exchange for the allegations being dropped from investigation by the standards committee. (Maybe i did say it got caught so time to walk away in shame but blackmail them to drop the complaint) f I used the wrong name for something someone should have picked me up on it. This is a political attack on the mayorship, which happens to be me.” (Nope, definitely You and your mouth- smoke screen to shift focus in my opinion) They have almost done enough to bring me down, but I am not going to give them the satisfaction of walking away from their mess.” (well kiddo chin up- it is actually all your mess if you did mumble or say something similar they just want you held accountable for your comments. Granted their word against theirs but I'm sure if more than one person heard it they all can't be liars? After seeing you on numerous occasions "lose the cool" shall we say i doubt their will be many jumping to your defence- maybe to try to save some face for the conservative group maybe- but for you kiddo- **WAVING SMILEY**) All opinions my own and can't wait for the cries of "felix, felix felix buddy" Mr_Stig

6:40pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Mr_Stig says...

**Accused labour of bullying** I've just leaked a little wee from laughing soooooooooooooo much.
**Accused labour of bullying** I've just leaked a little wee from laughing soooooooooooooo much. Mr_Stig

7:59pm Tue 3 Dec 13

MrAngry says...

It is interesting that Nick Martin has gone from outright denial to 'I can't remember if I said it'. At the end of the day it is his word against a number of witnesses. In addition to the two councillors, I understand that at least one council officer also claims to have heard it. Whether they will have the balls to stand up in front of the Standards Committee and make an allegation against their paymaster is another matter.

I agree that a lot of people are fed up with double standards and over zealous PC nonsense, but this remark was made at a meeting about disabled children. If he said it, then of course he should stand down. If a council officer had of said those words, he/she would have been sacked by now.

More importantly, IF he said it, his initial denial was a blatant lie. Do we want a liar for a mayor? Another reason to stand down.
It is interesting that Nick Martin has gone from outright denial to 'I can't remember if I said it'. At the end of the day it is his word against a number of witnesses. In addition to the two councillors, I understand that at least one council officer also claims to have heard it. Whether they will have the balls to stand up in front of the Standards Committee and make an allegation against their paymaster is another matter. I agree that a lot of people are fed up with double standards and over zealous PC nonsense, but this remark was made at a meeting about disabled children. If he said it, then of course he should stand down. If a council officer had of said those words, he/she would have been sacked by now. More importantly, IF he said it, his initial denial was a blatant lie. Do we want a liar for a mayor? Another reason to stand down. MrAngry

9:26pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Davethered says...

Why do we have these people anyway , it's a total waste of taxpayers money . Instead of cutting back on essential services and bus routes , get rid of half the over paid, good for nothing, councillors , we don't need them or want them.
Why do we have these people anyway , it's a total waste of taxpayers money . Instead of cutting back on essential services and bus routes , get rid of half the over paid, good for nothing, councillors , we don't need them or want them. Davethered

10:26pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Hetzer says...

Cheerio cheerio cheerio.

How has this clown remained in position for so long?
Cheerio cheerio cheerio. How has this clown remained in position for so long? Hetzer

8:22am Wed 4 Dec 13

house on the hill says...

benzss wrote:
I'm not even that sure why Mongolians shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.
That pretty much sums up why Swindon is seen as an intellectual and cultural wasteland when its full of morons!
[quote][p][bold]benzss[/bold] wrote: I'm not even that sure why Mongolians shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.[/p][/quote]That pretty much sums up why Swindon is seen as an intellectual and cultural wasteland when its full of morons! house on the hill

8:26am Wed 4 Dec 13

Phantom Poster says...

Ringer wrote:
The mayor is correct in that the local Labour group are desperately trying to make political capital out of this and there's no doubt whatsoever that it's politically motivated.

Still, a person of his experience should be well aware that ANY opportunity to score points will be leapt on these days, especially by Labour types who just love it when somebody says something less than politically correct.

What's the betting that those who claim to be so 'offended' by the mayor's language aren't even disabled themselves?
Are you for real? You really think it's acceptable for a mayor to say such things? He is supposed to represent disabled people as well, you know.

Before you ask - I do know someone who is disabled and is insulted at being called a Mongol and the opinion that he shouldn't have sex.

However, I'm sure that the 'man in the street' is very appreciative of you representing his views!
[quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: The mayor is correct in that the local Labour group are desperately trying to make political capital out of this and there's no doubt whatsoever that it's politically motivated. Still, a person of his experience should be well aware that ANY opportunity to score points will be leapt on these days, especially by Labour types who just love it when somebody says something less than politically correct. What's the betting that those who claim to be so 'offended' by the mayor's language aren't even disabled themselves?[/p][/quote]Are you for real? You really think it's acceptable for a mayor to say such things? He is supposed to represent disabled people as well, you know. Before you ask - I do know someone who is disabled and is insulted at being called a Mongol and the opinion that he shouldn't have sex. However, I'm sure that the 'man in the street' is very appreciative of you representing his views! Phantom Poster

8:30am Wed 4 Dec 13

house on the hill says...

house on the hill wrote:
benzss wrote:
I'm not even that sure why Mongolians shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.
That pretty much sums up why Swindon is seen as an intellectual and cultural wasteland when its full of morons!
Actually as does the actions of the Mayor too and most of the arrogant self serving uncaring councillors but then you get that pretty much everywhere.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]benzss[/bold] wrote: I'm not even that sure why Mongolians shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.[/p][/quote]That pretty much sums up why Swindon is seen as an intellectual and cultural wasteland when its full of morons![/p][/quote]Actually as does the actions of the Mayor too and most of the arrogant self serving uncaring councillors but then you get that pretty much everywhere. house on the hill

9:08am Wed 4 Dec 13

Ringer says...

Phantom Poster wrote:
Ringer wrote:
The mayor is correct in that the local Labour group are desperately trying to make political capital out of this and there's no doubt whatsoever that it's politically motivated.

Still, a person of his experience should be well aware that ANY opportunity to score points will be leapt on these days, especially by Labour types who just love it when somebody says something less than politically correct.

What's the betting that those who claim to be so 'offended' by the mayor's language aren't even disabled themselves?
Are you for real? You really think it's acceptable for a mayor to say such things? He is supposed to represent disabled people as well, you know.

Before you ask - I do know someone who is disabled and is insulted at being called a Mongol and the opinion that he shouldn't have sex.

However, I'm sure that the 'man in the street' is very appreciative of you representing his views!
I just believe that, in the scheme of things, it's hardly life threatening behaviour. It's just not that important IMO.

Frankie Boyle and others say far 'worse' things on national TV, for example.

I'm also sure that the vast majority of disabled people simply roll their eyes at such comment and have more important and interesting things to do than muster up 'offence' at what the likes of Nick Martin (may or may not have) said.
[quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: The mayor is correct in that the local Labour group are desperately trying to make political capital out of this and there's no doubt whatsoever that it's politically motivated. Still, a person of his experience should be well aware that ANY opportunity to score points will be leapt on these days, especially by Labour types who just love it when somebody says something less than politically correct. What's the betting that those who claim to be so 'offended' by the mayor's language aren't even disabled themselves?[/p][/quote]Are you for real? You really think it's acceptable for a mayor to say such things? He is supposed to represent disabled people as well, you know. Before you ask - I do know someone who is disabled and is insulted at being called a Mongol and the opinion that he shouldn't have sex. However, I'm sure that the 'man in the street' is very appreciative of you representing his views![/p][/quote]I just believe that, in the scheme of things, it's hardly life threatening behaviour. It's just not that important IMO. Frankie Boyle and others say far 'worse' things on national TV, for example. I'm also sure that the vast majority of disabled people simply roll their eyes at such comment and have more important and interesting things to do than muster up 'offence' at what the likes of Nick Martin (may or may not have) said. Ringer

9:29am Wed 4 Dec 13

benzss says...

house on the hill wrote:
benzss wrote:
I'm not even that sure why Mongolians shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.
That pretty much sums up why Swindon is seen as an intellectual and cultural wasteland when its full of morons!
Say what?
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]benzss[/bold] wrote: I'm not even that sure why Mongolians shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.[/p][/quote]That pretty much sums up why Swindon is seen as an intellectual and cultural wasteland when its full of morons![/p][/quote]Say what? benzss

9:30am Wed 4 Dec 13

Phantom Poster says...

Ringer wrote:
Phantom Poster wrote:
Ringer wrote:
The mayor is correct in that the local Labour group are desperately trying to make political capital out of this and there's no doubt whatsoever that it's politically motivated.

Still, a person of his experience should be well aware that ANY opportunity to score points will be leapt on these days, especially by Labour types who just love it when somebody says something less than politically correct.

What's the betting that those who claim to be so 'offended' by the mayor's language aren't even disabled themselves?
Are you for real? You really think it's acceptable for a mayor to say such things? He is supposed to represent disabled people as well, you know.

Before you ask - I do know someone who is disabled and is insulted at being called a Mongol and the opinion that he shouldn't have sex.

However, I'm sure that the 'man in the street' is very appreciative of you representing his views!
I just believe that, in the scheme of things, it's hardly life threatening behaviour. It's just not that important IMO.

Frankie Boyle and others say far 'worse' things on national TV, for example.

I'm also sure that the vast majority of disabled people simply roll their eyes at such comment and have more important and interesting things to do than muster up 'offence' at what the likes of Nick Martin (may or may not have) said.
Frankie Boyle is free to say whatever he likes, but he's not a mayor.

A mayor is a ceremonial position - so if you can't be representative of the entire community then you are not suitable for the job.

Are you saying that the only possible sackable offence is one which threatens life???
[quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: The mayor is correct in that the local Labour group are desperately trying to make political capital out of this and there's no doubt whatsoever that it's politically motivated. Still, a person of his experience should be well aware that ANY opportunity to score points will be leapt on these days, especially by Labour types who just love it when somebody says something less than politically correct. What's the betting that those who claim to be so 'offended' by the mayor's language aren't even disabled themselves?[/p][/quote]Are you for real? You really think it's acceptable for a mayor to say such things? He is supposed to represent disabled people as well, you know. Before you ask - I do know someone who is disabled and is insulted at being called a Mongol and the opinion that he shouldn't have sex. However, I'm sure that the 'man in the street' is very appreciative of you representing his views![/p][/quote]I just believe that, in the scheme of things, it's hardly life threatening behaviour. It's just not that important IMO. Frankie Boyle and others say far 'worse' things on national TV, for example. I'm also sure that the vast majority of disabled people simply roll their eyes at such comment and have more important and interesting things to do than muster up 'offence' at what the likes of Nick Martin (may or may not have) said.[/p][/quote]Frankie Boyle is free to say whatever he likes, but he's not a mayor. A mayor is a ceremonial position - so if you can't be representative of the entire community then you are not suitable for the job. Are you saying that the only possible sackable offence is one which threatens life??? Phantom Poster

9:36am Wed 4 Dec 13

Morsey says...

Excuse me ... what is, can someone explain, please ... 'a Labour type'??

What a derogaTORY remark ... now that IS typical of the way that non-belivers are regarded by ceratin Tories who scrawl on here.

One's opinion on politics has become a game of insults to those who oppose the party of sell-offs!

Get out Mr Martin, be a man, mate!
Excuse me ... what is, can someone explain, please ... 'a Labour type'?? What a derogaTORY remark ... now that IS typical of the way that non-belivers are regarded by ceratin Tories who scrawl on here. One's opinion on politics has become a game of insults to those who oppose the party of sell-offs! Get out Mr Martin, be a man, mate! Morsey

9:39am Wed 4 Dec 13

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

benzss wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
benzss wrote:
I'm not even that sure why Mongolians shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.
That pretty much sums up why Swindon is seen as an intellectual and cultural wasteland when its full of morons!
Say what?
I think we've had a visit from the whoosh parrot!
[quote][p][bold]benzss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]benzss[/bold] wrote: I'm not even that sure why Mongolians shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.[/p][/quote]That pretty much sums up why Swindon is seen as an intellectual and cultural wasteland when its full of morons![/p][/quote]Say what?[/p][/quote]I think we've had a visit from the whoosh parrot! The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man

9:42am Wed 4 Dec 13

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

Morsey wrote:
Excuse me ... what is, can someone explain, please ... 'a Labour type'??

What a derogaTORY remark ... now that IS typical of the way that non-belivers are regarded by ceratin Tories who scrawl on here.

One's opinion on politics has become a game of insults to those who oppose the party of sell-offs!

Get out Mr Martin, be a man, mate!
To be fair, you've just done exactly the same back to the Tories!

Party politics should be banned in my opinion. It gets in the way of doing what's actually best for the country.
[quote][p][bold]Morsey[/bold] wrote: Excuse me ... what is, can someone explain, please ... 'a Labour type'?? What a derogaTORY remark ... now that IS typical of the way that non-belivers are regarded by ceratin Tories who scrawl on here. One's opinion on politics has become a game of insults to those who oppose the party of sell-offs! Get out Mr Martin, be a man, mate![/p][/quote]To be fair, you've just done exactly the same back to the Tories! Party politics should be banned in my opinion. It gets in the way of doing what's actually best for the country. The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man

9:43am Wed 4 Dec 13

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

Ringer wrote:
Phantom Poster wrote:
Ringer wrote:
The mayor is correct in that the local Labour group are desperately trying to make political capital out of this and there's no doubt whatsoever that it's politically motivated.

Still, a person of his experience should be well aware that ANY opportunity to score points will be leapt on these days, especially by Labour types who just love it when somebody says something less than politically correct.

What's the betting that those who claim to be so 'offended' by the mayor's language aren't even disabled themselves?
Are you for real? You really think it's acceptable for a mayor to say such things? He is supposed to represent disabled people as well, you know.

Before you ask - I do know someone who is disabled and is insulted at being called a Mongol and the opinion that he shouldn't have sex.

However, I'm sure that the 'man in the street' is very appreciative of you representing his views!
I just believe that, in the scheme of things, it's hardly life threatening behaviour. It's just not that important IMO.

Frankie Boyle and others say far 'worse' things on national TV, for example.

I'm also sure that the vast majority of disabled people simply roll their eyes at such comment and have more important and interesting things to do than muster up 'offence' at what the likes of Nick Martin (may or may not have) said.
Yeah, but Frankie Boyle is an unfunny abomination that shouldn't be given the time of day either.
[quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: The mayor is correct in that the local Labour group are desperately trying to make political capital out of this and there's no doubt whatsoever that it's politically motivated. Still, a person of his experience should be well aware that ANY opportunity to score points will be leapt on these days, especially by Labour types who just love it when somebody says something less than politically correct. What's the betting that those who claim to be so 'offended' by the mayor's language aren't even disabled themselves?[/p][/quote]Are you for real? You really think it's acceptable for a mayor to say such things? He is supposed to represent disabled people as well, you know. Before you ask - I do know someone who is disabled and is insulted at being called a Mongol and the opinion that he shouldn't have sex. However, I'm sure that the 'man in the street' is very appreciative of you representing his views![/p][/quote]I just believe that, in the scheme of things, it's hardly life threatening behaviour. It's just not that important IMO. Frankie Boyle and others say far 'worse' things on national TV, for example. I'm also sure that the vast majority of disabled people simply roll their eyes at such comment and have more important and interesting things to do than muster up 'offence' at what the likes of Nick Martin (may or may not have) said.[/p][/quote]Yeah, but Frankie Boyle is an unfunny abomination that shouldn't be given the time of day either. The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man

9:47am Wed 4 Dec 13

Ringer says...

Morsey wrote:
Excuse me ... what is, can someone explain, please ... 'a Labour type'??

What a derogaTORY remark ... now that IS typical of the way that non-belivers are regarded by ceratin Tories who scrawl on here.

One's opinion on politics has become a game of insults to those who oppose the party of sell-offs!

Get out Mr Martin, be a man, mate!
If you'd actually read the article, instead of just immediately falling over yourself to have a pop at the Tories, you'd know that Martin HAS tried to stand down and resign but it's your local Labour cronies that have refused his resignation.

Still, managing to get a firm grasp of the facts, and being able to actually understand them, was never a strong point of socialists such as yourself.
[quote][p][bold]Morsey[/bold] wrote: Excuse me ... what is, can someone explain, please ... 'a Labour type'?? What a derogaTORY remark ... now that IS typical of the way that non-belivers are regarded by ceratin Tories who scrawl on here. One's opinion on politics has become a game of insults to those who oppose the party of sell-offs! Get out Mr Martin, be a man, mate![/p][/quote]If you'd actually read the article, instead of just immediately falling over yourself to have a pop at the Tories, you'd know that Martin HAS tried to stand down and resign but it's your local Labour cronies that have refused his resignation. Still, managing to get a firm grasp of the facts, and being able to actually understand them, was never a strong point of socialists such as yourself. Ringer

9:49am Wed 4 Dec 13

Ringer says...

Phantom Poster wrote:
Ringer wrote:
Phantom Poster wrote:
Ringer wrote:
The mayor is correct in that the local Labour group are desperately trying to make political capital out of this and there's no doubt whatsoever that it's politically motivated.

Still, a person of his experience should be well aware that ANY opportunity to score points will be leapt on these days, especially by Labour types who just love it when somebody says something less than politically correct.

What's the betting that those who claim to be so 'offended' by the mayor's language aren't even disabled themselves?
Are you for real? You really think it's acceptable for a mayor to say such things? He is supposed to represent disabled people as well, you know.

Before you ask - I do know someone who is disabled and is insulted at being called a Mongol and the opinion that he shouldn't have sex.

However, I'm sure that the 'man in the street' is very appreciative of you representing his views!
I just believe that, in the scheme of things, it's hardly life threatening behaviour. It's just not that important IMO.

Frankie Boyle and others say far 'worse' things on national TV, for example.

I'm also sure that the vast majority of disabled people simply roll their eyes at such comment and have more important and interesting things to do than muster up 'offence' at what the likes of Nick Martin (may or may not have) said.
Frankie Boyle is free to say whatever he likes, but he's not a mayor.

A mayor is a ceremonial position - so if you can't be representative of the entire community then you are not suitable for the job.

Are you saying that the only possible sackable offence is one which threatens life???
Er, no, that's quite clearly not what I was saying.

What I was saying is that I really don't think what Martin said, even if he did say it, is exactly the end of the world.

Frankly, if that's all people have to concern themselves over, they must be leading very pleasant lives indeed.
[quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: The mayor is correct in that the local Labour group are desperately trying to make political capital out of this and there's no doubt whatsoever that it's politically motivated. Still, a person of his experience should be well aware that ANY opportunity to score points will be leapt on these days, especially by Labour types who just love it when somebody says something less than politically correct. What's the betting that those who claim to be so 'offended' by the mayor's language aren't even disabled themselves?[/p][/quote]Are you for real? You really think it's acceptable for a mayor to say such things? He is supposed to represent disabled people as well, you know. Before you ask - I do know someone who is disabled and is insulted at being called a Mongol and the opinion that he shouldn't have sex. However, I'm sure that the 'man in the street' is very appreciative of you representing his views![/p][/quote]I just believe that, in the scheme of things, it's hardly life threatening behaviour. It's just not that important IMO. Frankie Boyle and others say far 'worse' things on national TV, for example. I'm also sure that the vast majority of disabled people simply roll their eyes at such comment and have more important and interesting things to do than muster up 'offence' at what the likes of Nick Martin (may or may not have) said.[/p][/quote]Frankie Boyle is free to say whatever he likes, but he's not a mayor. A mayor is a ceremonial position - so if you can't be representative of the entire community then you are not suitable for the job. Are you saying that the only possible sackable offence is one which threatens life???[/p][/quote]Er, no, that's quite clearly not what I was saying. What I was saying is that I really don't think what Martin said, even if he did say it, is exactly the end of the world. Frankly, if that's all people have to concern themselves over, they must be leading very pleasant lives indeed. Ringer

9:58am Wed 4 Dec 13

Empty Car Park says...

You're really "excelling" in your blinkered political stage act today Ollie.

The man is unsuitable for the position, even though he's a fellow Tory councillor
You're really "excelling" in your blinkered political stage act today Ollie. The man is unsuitable for the position, even though he's a fellow Tory councillor Empty Car Park

10:05am Wed 4 Dec 13

Phantom Poster says...

Ringer wrote:
Phantom Poster wrote:
Ringer wrote:
Phantom Poster wrote:
Ringer wrote:
The mayor is correct in that the local Labour group are desperately trying to make political capital out of this and there's no doubt whatsoever that it's politically motivated.

Still, a person of his experience should be well aware that ANY opportunity to score points will be leapt on these days, especially by Labour types who just love it when somebody says something less than politically correct.

What's the betting that those who claim to be so 'offended' by the mayor's language aren't even disabled themselves?
Are you for real? You really think it's acceptable for a mayor to say such things? He is supposed to represent disabled people as well, you know.

Before you ask - I do know someone who is disabled and is insulted at being called a Mongol and the opinion that he shouldn't have sex.

However, I'm sure that the 'man in the street' is very appreciative of you representing his views!
I just believe that, in the scheme of things, it's hardly life threatening behaviour. It's just not that important IMO.

Frankie Boyle and others say far 'worse' things on national TV, for example.

I'm also sure that the vast majority of disabled people simply roll their eyes at such comment and have more important and interesting things to do than muster up 'offence' at what the likes of Nick Martin (may or may not have) said.
Frankie Boyle is free to say whatever he likes, but he's not a mayor.

A mayor is a ceremonial position - so if you can't be representative of the entire community then you are not suitable for the job.

Are you saying that the only possible sackable offence is one which threatens life???
Er, no, that's quite clearly not what I was saying.

What I was saying is that I really don't think what Martin said, even if he did say it, is exactly the end of the world.

Frankly, if that's all people have to concern themselves over, they must be leading very pleasant lives indeed.
Well you are obviously very concerned about it! What's such a big deal about sacking someone from a purely ceremonial position and finding someone less likely to put their foot in their mouth (which I think would be a prerequisite of such a job).
[quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: The mayor is correct in that the local Labour group are desperately trying to make political capital out of this and there's no doubt whatsoever that it's politically motivated. Still, a person of his experience should be well aware that ANY opportunity to score points will be leapt on these days, especially by Labour types who just love it when somebody says something less than politically correct. What's the betting that those who claim to be so 'offended' by the mayor's language aren't even disabled themselves?[/p][/quote]Are you for real? You really think it's acceptable for a mayor to say such things? He is supposed to represent disabled people as well, you know. Before you ask - I do know someone who is disabled and is insulted at being called a Mongol and the opinion that he shouldn't have sex. However, I'm sure that the 'man in the street' is very appreciative of you representing his views![/p][/quote]I just believe that, in the scheme of things, it's hardly life threatening behaviour. It's just not that important IMO. Frankie Boyle and others say far 'worse' things on national TV, for example. I'm also sure that the vast majority of disabled people simply roll their eyes at such comment and have more important and interesting things to do than muster up 'offence' at what the likes of Nick Martin (may or may not have) said.[/p][/quote]Frankie Boyle is free to say whatever he likes, but he's not a mayor. A mayor is a ceremonial position - so if you can't be representative of the entire community then you are not suitable for the job. Are you saying that the only possible sackable offence is one which threatens life???[/p][/quote]Er, no, that's quite clearly not what I was saying. What I was saying is that I really don't think what Martin said, even if he did say it, is exactly the end of the world. Frankly, if that's all people have to concern themselves over, they must be leading very pleasant lives indeed.[/p][/quote]Well you are obviously very concerned about it! What's such a big deal about sacking someone from a purely ceremonial position and finding someone less likely to put their foot in their mouth (which I think would be a prerequisite of such a job). Phantom Poster

10:16am Wed 4 Dec 13

Synergie says...

Mr. Martin is not in trouble because of what he said, it's because so many people despise him. His behavior since taking office has been appalling, including shouting across the council chamber like a demented banshee. If that's not enough, he publicly humiliated a fellow councillor by petulantly refusing entry to his parlour.
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Unfortunately, a Mayor cannot be unseated just because he is not liked, something much stronger is needed to put before the standards committee, and given Mr Martins propensity for ratchet-mouthing, his enemies only had to stand close enough for long enough to hear the offending remark, which he surely delivered.
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Mr Martin is in trouble, not for what he said, it's because he is hated by all and sundry.
Mr. Martin is not in trouble because of what he said, it's because so many people despise him. His behavior since taking office has been appalling, including shouting across the council chamber like a demented banshee. If that's not enough, he publicly humiliated a fellow councillor by petulantly refusing entry to his parlour. . Unfortunately, a Mayor cannot be unseated just because he is not liked, something much stronger is needed to put before the standards committee, and given Mr Martins propensity for ratchet-mouthing, his enemies only had to stand close enough for long enough to hear the offending remark, which he surely delivered. . Mr Martin is in trouble, not for what he said, it's because he is hated by all and sundry. Synergie

10:25am Wed 4 Dec 13

Morsey says...

Ringer wrote:
Morsey wrote:
Excuse me ... what is, can someone explain, please ... 'a Labour type'??

What a derogaTORY remark ... now that IS typical of the way that non-belivers are regarded by ceratin Tories who scrawl on here.

One's opinion on politics has become a game of insults to those who oppose the party of sell-offs!

Get out Mr Martin, be a man, mate!
If you'd actually read the article, instead of just immediately falling over yourself to have a pop at the Tories, you'd know that Martin HAS tried to stand down and resign but it's your local Labour cronies that have refused his resignation.

Still, managing to get a firm grasp of the facts, and being able to actually understand them, was never a strong point of socialists such as yourself.
Proves my point, and I am afraid to say that you have, as usual, continued in the same vain. Merry Christmas ... I hope you receive all you deserve!!
[quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Morsey[/bold] wrote: Excuse me ... what is, can someone explain, please ... 'a Labour type'?? What a derogaTORY remark ... now that IS typical of the way that non-belivers are regarded by ceratin Tories who scrawl on here. One's opinion on politics has become a game of insults to those who oppose the party of sell-offs! Get out Mr Martin, be a man, mate![/p][/quote]If you'd actually read the article, instead of just immediately falling over yourself to have a pop at the Tories, you'd know that Martin HAS tried to stand down and resign but it's your local Labour cronies that have refused his resignation. Still, managing to get a firm grasp of the facts, and being able to actually understand them, was never a strong point of socialists such as yourself.[/p][/quote]Proves my point, and I am afraid to say that you have, as usual, continued in the same vain. Merry Christmas ... I hope you receive all you deserve!! Morsey

10:26am Wed 4 Dec 13

benzss says...

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
benzss wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
benzss wrote:
I'm not even that sure why Mongolians shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.
That pretty much sums up why Swindon is seen as an intellectual and cultural wasteland when its full of morons!
Say what?
I think we've had a visit from the whoosh parrot!
Mongolians are having a hard time of it right now, what with the coming winter. It's not funny.
[quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]benzss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]benzss[/bold] wrote: I'm not even that sure why Mongolians shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.[/p][/quote]That pretty much sums up why Swindon is seen as an intellectual and cultural wasteland when its full of morons![/p][/quote]Say what?[/p][/quote]I think we've had a visit from the whoosh parrot![/p][/quote]Mongolians are having a hard time of it right now, what with the coming winter. It's not funny. benzss

11:15am Wed 4 Dec 13

Ringer says...

Phantom Poster wrote:
Ringer wrote:
Phantom Poster wrote:
Ringer wrote:
Phantom Poster wrote:
Ringer wrote:
The mayor is correct in that the local Labour group are desperately trying to make political capital out of this and there's no doubt whatsoever that it's politically motivated.

Still, a person of his experience should be well aware that ANY opportunity to score points will be leapt on these days, especially by Labour types who just love it when somebody says something less than politically correct.

What's the betting that those who claim to be so 'offended' by the mayor's language aren't even disabled themselves?
Are you for real? You really think it's acceptable for a mayor to say such things? He is supposed to represent disabled people as well, you know.

Before you ask - I do know someone who is disabled and is insulted at being called a Mongol and the opinion that he shouldn't have sex.

However, I'm sure that the 'man in the street' is very appreciative of you representing his views!
I just believe that, in the scheme of things, it's hardly life threatening behaviour. It's just not that important IMO.

Frankie Boyle and others say far 'worse' things on national TV, for example.

I'm also sure that the vast majority of disabled people simply roll their eyes at such comment and have more important and interesting things to do than muster up 'offence' at what the likes of Nick Martin (may or may not have) said.
Frankie Boyle is free to say whatever he likes, but he's not a mayor.

A mayor is a ceremonial position - so if you can't be representative of the entire community then you are not suitable for the job.

Are you saying that the only possible sackable offence is one which threatens life???
Er, no, that's quite clearly not what I was saying.

What I was saying is that I really don't think what Martin said, even if he did say it, is exactly the end of the world.

Frankly, if that's all people have to concern themselves over, they must be leading very pleasant lives indeed.
Well you are obviously very concerned about it! What's such a big deal about sacking someone from a purely ceremonial position and finding someone less likely to put their foot in their mouth (which I think would be a prerequisite of such a job).
Not the case.

I couldn't care less who's mayor and I couldn't care less about Nick Martin.

He offered to resign, the Labour group refused his resignation because they're attempting to score political points from it.

If people want Martin gone, let him go.

What is REALLY stupid is people like Morsey demanding Martin goes but not seeming to realise that he's already offered to go but the local Marxists have blocked it.
[quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: The mayor is correct in that the local Labour group are desperately trying to make political capital out of this and there's no doubt whatsoever that it's politically motivated. Still, a person of his experience should be well aware that ANY opportunity to score points will be leapt on these days, especially by Labour types who just love it when somebody says something less than politically correct. What's the betting that those who claim to be so 'offended' by the mayor's language aren't even disabled themselves?[/p][/quote]Are you for real? You really think it's acceptable for a mayor to say such things? He is supposed to represent disabled people as well, you know. Before you ask - I do know someone who is disabled and is insulted at being called a Mongol and the opinion that he shouldn't have sex. However, I'm sure that the 'man in the street' is very appreciative of you representing his views![/p][/quote]I just believe that, in the scheme of things, it's hardly life threatening behaviour. It's just not that important IMO. Frankie Boyle and others say far 'worse' things on national TV, for example. I'm also sure that the vast majority of disabled people simply roll their eyes at such comment and have more important and interesting things to do than muster up 'offence' at what the likes of Nick Martin (may or may not have) said.[/p][/quote]Frankie Boyle is free to say whatever he likes, but he's not a mayor. A mayor is a ceremonial position - so if you can't be representative of the entire community then you are not suitable for the job. Are you saying that the only possible sackable offence is one which threatens life???[/p][/quote]Er, no, that's quite clearly not what I was saying. What I was saying is that I really don't think what Martin said, even if he did say it, is exactly the end of the world. Frankly, if that's all people have to concern themselves over, they must be leading very pleasant lives indeed.[/p][/quote]Well you are obviously very concerned about it! What's such a big deal about sacking someone from a purely ceremonial position and finding someone less likely to put their foot in their mouth (which I think would be a prerequisite of such a job).[/p][/quote]Not the case. I couldn't care less who's mayor and I couldn't care less about Nick Martin. He offered to resign, the Labour group refused his resignation because they're attempting to score political points from it. If people want Martin gone, let him go. What is REALLY stupid is people like Morsey demanding Martin goes but not seeming to realise that he's already offered to go but the local Marxists have blocked it. Ringer

12:40pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Mr_Stig says...

I would reject it too. About 6 weeks too late - only he truly knows and if 3 people heard it then surely there is little doubt. Man up!

I hate all 3 parties equally I need to add before the onslaught of blue/red/yellow/gree
n insults fly.

Needs to be held accountable FULL STOP.
I would reject it too. About 6 weeks too late - only he truly knows and if 3 people heard it then surely there is little doubt. Man up! I hate all 3 parties equally I need to add before the onslaught of blue/red/yellow/gree n insults fly. Needs to be held accountable FULL STOP. Mr_Stig

4:59pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Devonroaddodderer says...

It's amazing how many people 'making mischief' or being 'beastly' that Nick Martin seems to run in to. I've seen him in meetings and his behaviour has been really appalling. I am not party politicial but saying it's all the fault of the Labour councillors, well, if the gun isn't loaded no-one can fire it.
It's amazing how many people 'making mischief' or being 'beastly' that Nick Martin seems to run in to. I've seen him in meetings and his behaviour has been really appalling. I am not party politicial but saying it's all the fault of the Labour councillors, well, if the gun isn't loaded no-one can fire it. Devonroaddodderer

3:49am Thu 5 Dec 13

what next? says...

Let him who is without sin cast the first stone! Councillors should be working for the people who elected them and not trying to score cheap points!
Let him who is without sin cast the first stone! Councillors should be working for the people who elected them and not trying to score cheap points! what next?

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