Readers vote against troubled mayor

This Is Wiltshire: Swindon's mayor Nick Martin survived a vote of no confidence but has failed to win the support of Adver readers Swindon's mayor Nick Martin survived a vote of no confidence but has failed to win the support of Adver readers

THE Adver’s readers have not echoed the official vote of confidence for Swindon’s troubled mayor, with 57 per cent of them voting that he should no longer hold the position after he allegedly made derogatory comments about disabled people.

Councillor Nick Martin survived a historic vote of no confidence on Thursday when his fellow Conservative members managed to tilt the support in his direction with a 27 to 25 result.

But Coun Martin has failed to win the backing of the Adver’s online readers, who were quizzed on their thoughts about whether the mayor should leave his post.

A motion calling for him to resign went before full council after being brought by the leader of the Swindon Labour Group, Coun Jim Grant (Lab, Rodbourne Cheney).

Coun Grant proposed the motion following allegations coming to light that the mayor made derogatory remarks about people with learning difficulties.

In October, during a presentation by a council officer into issues faced with adults with disabilities, he is alleged to have said: “They aren’t still letting those mongols have sex with each other, are they?”

This matter is being investigated by a standards committee but Labour councillors decided one of the main representatives of Swindon should not be tarnished with such scandals and called for him to step down.

There has been a flood of readers taking to the Adver’s website to debate the issue.

One user, called RichardR1, said: “Let’s not forget Martin was censured for misconduct before he became mayor, he should have stood down at that point. But we know politicians have little integrity, they have to be forced to quit.”

Southside7 said: “The man is a disgrace, he has no shame. Depressing saga on so very many levels.”

And dukeofM4 said: “Does it matter who is mayor? He can’t change the budget, change taxes, or make any other meaningful changes except wear a medal, get out of a limo, and cut the ribbon for some new stretch of road or building! Who cares.”

Floggitlad wrote: “As usual things are turned around to save face and to save the party.”

Rigger said: “I’m not defending the bloke, but you do realise the comments are ‘alleged’? Nothing has actually been proven, at all. In fact, the allegations appear to have come from two, er, Labour councillors.”

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10:56am Mon 23 Dec 13

Grimwald says...

This story will run and run unlike the Mayor!!
This story will run and run unlike the Mayor!! Grimwald

11:15am Mon 23 Dec 13

Davey Gravey says...

Fair play to adver staff putting right the earlier mistake. Remove the trolls from the site and it will improve further.
Fair play to adver staff putting right the earlier mistake. Remove the trolls from the site and it will improve further. Davey Gravey

11:48am Mon 23 Dec 13

house on the hill says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Fair play to adver staff putting right the earlier mistake. Remove the trolls from the site and it will improve further.
Bye then!
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Fair play to adver staff putting right the earlier mistake. Remove the trolls from the site and it will improve further.[/p][/quote]Bye then! house on the hill

12:02pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Davey Gravey says...

house on the hill wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
Fair play to adver staff putting right the earlier mistake. Remove the trolls from the site and it will improve further.
Bye then!
How am I a troll?
I have no political agenda and don't abuse the site rules. I just come on to comment on local news.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Fair play to adver staff putting right the earlier mistake. Remove the trolls from the site and it will improve further.[/p][/quote]Bye then![/p][/quote]How am I a troll? I have no political agenda and don't abuse the site rules. I just come on to comment on local news. Davey Gravey

12:05pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Davey Gravey says...

house on the hill wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
Fair play to adver staff putting right the earlier mistake. Remove the trolls from the site and it will improve further.
Bye then!
Its a shame you can't grant me the same respect I have shown you, despite differing views. A common theme on here unfortunately. Lack of goodwill all round is the norm.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Fair play to adver staff putting right the earlier mistake. Remove the trolls from the site and it will improve further.[/p][/quote]Bye then![/p][/quote]Its a shame you can't grant me the same respect I have shown you, despite differing views. A common theme on here unfortunately. Lack of goodwill all round is the norm. Davey Gravey

12:28pm Mon 23 Dec 13

RichardR1 says...

Isn't trolling posting something you know not to be true but continue to do it anyway Davey old chap. That I would suggest is what you do on a regular basis. As for the Mayor, like most politicians he lacks the integrity to go.
Isn't trolling posting something you know not to be true but continue to do it anyway Davey old chap. That I would suggest is what you do on a regular basis. As for the Mayor, like most politicians he lacks the integrity to go. RichardR1

12:34pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Davey Gravey says...

RichardR1 wrote:
Isn't trolling posting something you know not to be true but continue to do it anyway Davey old chap. That I would suggest is what you do on a regular basis. As for the Mayor, like most politicians he lacks the integrity to go.
What is that then bob? What do i post that I know not to be true?
[quote][p][bold]RichardR1[/bold] wrote: Isn't trolling posting something you know not to be true but continue to do it anyway Davey old chap. That I would suggest is what you do on a regular basis. As for the Mayor, like most politicians he lacks the integrity to go.[/p][/quote]What is that then bob? What do i post that I know not to be true? Davey Gravey

12:56pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Empty Car Park says...

Well done Adver' for correcting the headline.
Well done Adver' for correcting the headline. Empty Car Park

2:20pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Davey Gravey says...

Got to laugh. Scores have just changed by numerous amounts in seconds. Blatant manipulation and abuse of the thumbs facility that goes on daily. Sort it out mods!!!!
Got to laugh. Scores have just changed by numerous amounts in seconds. Blatant manipulation and abuse of the thumbs facility that goes on daily. Sort it out mods!!!! Davey Gravey

2:26pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Grimwald says...

I see the comments degenerated away from the issue at hand

FOR A CHANGE!!!

Please stick to the subject at hand and stop abusing one another and making highly politicised points.

I did say please!!
I see the comments degenerated away from the issue at hand FOR A CHANGE!!! Please stick to the subject at hand and stop abusing one another and making highly politicised points. I did say please!! Grimwald

3:24pm Mon 23 Dec 13

house on the hill says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Got to laugh. Scores have just changed by numerous amounts in seconds. Blatant manipulation and abuse of the thumbs facility that goes on daily. Sort it out mods!!!!
Or you could just get a life!
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Got to laugh. Scores have just changed by numerous amounts in seconds. Blatant manipulation and abuse of the thumbs facility that goes on daily. Sort it out mods!!!![/p][/quote]Or you could just get a life! house on the hill

3:26pm Mon 23 Dec 13

house on the hill says...

Grimwald wrote:
I see the comments degenerated away from the issue at hand

FOR A CHANGE!!!

Please stick to the subject at hand and stop abusing one another and making highly politicised points.

I did say please!!
That's actually quite funny as your comment has nothing to do with the topic either.
[quote][p][bold]Grimwald[/bold] wrote: I see the comments degenerated away from the issue at hand FOR A CHANGE!!! Please stick to the subject at hand and stop abusing one another and making highly politicised points. I did say please!![/p][/quote]That's actually quite funny as your comment has nothing to do with the topic either. house on the hill

5:03pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Davey Gravey says...

house on the hill wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
Got to laugh. Scores have just changed by numerous amounts in seconds. Blatant manipulation and abuse of the thumbs facility that goes on daily. Sort it out mods!!!!
Or you could just get a life!
Oh the irony.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Got to laugh. Scores have just changed by numerous amounts in seconds. Blatant manipulation and abuse of the thumbs facility that goes on daily. Sort it out mods!!!![/p][/quote]Or you could just get a life![/p][/quote]Oh the irony. Davey Gravey

6:31pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Meldrews Dad says...

Strange how you can vote again every time you reboot your pc!

Apart from such polls looking democratic they hardly have any accuracy and political parties are somewhat adept at manipulating them.
Strange how you can vote again every time you reboot your pc! Apart from such polls looking democratic they hardly have any accuracy and political parties are somewhat adept at manipulating them. Meldrews Dad

7:14pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Klinkerhoffen says...

@ meldrew, yup, the Adver is in danger of making themselves look like complete pillocks allowing this stupid situation to continue. Adver, please sort the stupid polling and voting system here.
@ meldrew, yup, the Adver is in danger of making themselves look like complete pillocks allowing this stupid situation to continue. Adver, please sort the stupid polling and voting system here. Klinkerhoffen

7:25pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Empty Car Park says...

Klinkerhoffen wrote:
@ meldrew, yup, the Adver is in danger of making themselves look like complete pillocks allowing this stupid situation to continue. Adver, please sort the stupid polling and voting system here.
Yes, for a start just get rid of the "thumbs" system.
It serves no purpose other than to inflate the egos of those that are able to manipulate it.

A little time spent ascertaining the culprits would also make this a much better website.

A quick daily scan, to identify the troll that attempts to turn EVERY TOPIC into a political scenario would also help.

In its current state, there is little scope to have a civilised debate here.

Much could be learned from the Talk Swindon forum
[quote][p][bold]Klinkerhoffen[/bold] wrote: @ meldrew, yup, the Adver is in danger of making themselves look like complete pillocks allowing this stupid situation to continue. Adver, please sort the stupid polling and voting system here.[/p][/quote]Yes, for a start just get rid of the "thumbs" system. It serves no purpose other than to inflate the egos of those that are able to manipulate it. A little time spent ascertaining the culprits would also make this a much better website. A quick daily scan, to identify the troll that attempts to turn EVERY TOPIC into a political scenario would also help. In its current state, there is little scope to have a civilised debate here. Much could be learned from the Talk Swindon forum Empty Car Park

7:31pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Davey Gravey says...

@meldrews dad. If those who manipulate the voting didn't do so i think it would have been an even bigger show of no confidence in the mayor on here.

@klinkerhoffen. Well said. Plenty of site abuse goes on without anything being done about it.
@meldrews dad. If those who manipulate the voting didn't do so i think it would have been an even bigger show of no confidence in the mayor on here. @klinkerhoffen. Well said. Plenty of site abuse goes on without anything being done about it. Davey Gravey

7:58pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Ringer says...

Empty Car Park wrote:
Klinkerhoffen wrote:
@ meldrew, yup, the Adver is in danger of making themselves look like complete pillocks allowing this stupid situation to continue. Adver, please sort the stupid polling and voting system here.
Yes, for a start just get rid of the "thumbs" system.
It serves no purpose other than to inflate the egos of those that are able to manipulate it.

A little time spent ascertaining the culprits would also make this a much better website.

A quick daily scan, to identify the troll that attempts to turn EVERY TOPIC into a political scenario would also help.

In its current state, there is little scope to have a civilised debate here.

Much could be learned from the Talk Swindon forum
Why would anyone wish to be part of a forum of 10 left-wingers who all continually agree with each other, pat each other on the back and get brown nosed by you?

It is nobody's fault but your own that users of this site don't agree with your warped views.

You are, by some margin, the biggest troll on this site - the vast majority of your posts simply being negative snipes at other people, based almost entirely on your bizarre personal vendettas.

If you don't like this website, don't use it. Thankfully you're no longer going to be living in Swindon so it'll have little relevance or concern for you. Stick to your beloved Talk Swindon - the over-moderated, censorship happy club for bitter old far*s who have an axe to grind with anyone who's done slightly better than they have in life.
[quote][p][bold]Empty Car Park[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Klinkerhoffen[/bold] wrote: @ meldrew, yup, the Adver is in danger of making themselves look like complete pillocks allowing this stupid situation to continue. Adver, please sort the stupid polling and voting system here.[/p][/quote]Yes, for a start just get rid of the "thumbs" system. It serves no purpose other than to inflate the egos of those that are able to manipulate it. A little time spent ascertaining the culprits would also make this a much better website. A quick daily scan, to identify the troll that attempts to turn EVERY TOPIC into a political scenario would also help. In its current state, there is little scope to have a civilised debate here. Much could be learned from the Talk Swindon forum[/p][/quote]Why would anyone wish to be part of a forum of 10 left-wingers who all continually agree with each other, pat each other on the back and get brown nosed by you? It is nobody's fault but your own that users of this site don't agree with your warped views. You are, by some margin, the biggest troll on this site - the vast majority of your posts simply being negative snipes at other people, based almost entirely on your bizarre personal vendettas. If you don't like this website, don't use it. Thankfully you're no longer going to be living in Swindon so it'll have little relevance or concern for you. Stick to your beloved Talk Swindon - the over-moderated, censorship happy club for bitter old far*s who have an axe to grind with anyone who's done slightly better than they have in life. Ringer

10:16pm Mon 23 Dec 13

YouknowIamright says...

Sickened - this man should not be re-elected .
Sickened - this man should not be re-elected . YouknowIamright

11:43pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Geoff Reid says...

"Councillor Nick Martin survived a historic vote of no confidence on Thursday when his fellow Conservative members managed to tilt the support in his direction with a 27 to 25 result. "

It would be entirely more accurate to say that Mayor Martin only survived the vote because all four of Swindon's Liberal Democrat Councillors voted to save him, (two of whom were appointed by the Conservative leadership as chairmen of influential council committees and who both receive significant amounts of remuneration from the public purse for doing so).

Readers would doubtless be interested to learn that neither of Cllr Martin's fellow ward councillors for Shaw Ward felt able to support him. One left the chamber immediately before the vote was taken and the other voted with the Labour group.

Rather than take Ringers word for it, (or anything else for that matter), readers might like to find out what really happened by watching a full video recording of the council meeting. The video will become available at Ringers favourite forum between Christmas and the New Year.

In the meantime, TS members would like to extend their sincerest and warmest seasons greeting to Adver readers, the Adver webbies, journos and sub-eds - thank you all for an another interesting and informative year :)

Geoff Reid
"Councillor Nick Martin survived a historic vote of no confidence on Thursday when his fellow Conservative members managed to tilt the support in his direction with a 27 to 25 result. " It would be entirely more accurate to say that Mayor Martin only survived the vote because all four of Swindon's Liberal Democrat Councillors voted to save him, (two of whom were appointed by the Conservative leadership as chairmen of influential council committees and who both receive significant amounts of remuneration from the public purse for doing so). Readers would doubtless be interested to learn that neither of Cllr Martin's fellow ward councillors for Shaw Ward felt able to support him. One left the chamber immediately before the vote was taken and the other voted with the Labour group. Rather than take Ringers word for it, (or anything else for that matter), readers might like to find out what really happened by watching a full video recording of the council meeting. The video will become available at Ringers favourite forum between Christmas and the New Year. In the meantime, TS members would like to extend their sincerest and warmest seasons greeting to Adver readers, the Adver webbies, journos and sub-eds - thank you all for an another interesting and informative year :) Geoff Reid Geoff Reid

11:47pm Mon 23 Dec 13

James Smith Bowser says...

Never heard of this talk swindon site but google turns this up

http://swindonlabour
check.com/index.php/
talkswindon/

Is that the right place? if so erm lol! not sure what a place like that could teach people about rational debate. In fact that sweary bob stuff looks like it needs turning over to the police, they have been knocking doors for far less on twitter. Truly disgusting but apparently recommended by the bloke that runs talkswindon according to his website.
Never heard of this talk swindon site but google turns this up http://swindonlabour check.com/index.php/ talkswindon/ Is that the right place? if so erm lol! not sure what a place like that could teach people about rational debate. In fact that sweary bob stuff looks like it needs turning over to the police, they have been knocking doors for far less on twitter. Truly disgusting but apparently recommended by the bloke that runs talkswindon according to his website. James Smith Bowser

12:02am Tue 24 Dec 13

Empty Car Park says...

Thanks Ringer
But I think you'll find the video Geoff Reid mentioned will be on talkswindon.org and I'm pretty sure (like most people) that you have heard of it
Thanks Ringer But I think you'll find the video Geoff Reid mentioned will be on talkswindon.org and I'm pretty sure (like most people) that you have heard of it Empty Car Park

12:19am Tue 24 Dec 13

James Smith Bowser says...

Oh looks like Mr Reid has posted, not sure if its the same bloke but on the off chance fancy answering some questions?

A: When labour suspended you from the party as written in their "Suspension notification from Labour South West" why did they do so?

B: Are you the Geoff Reid who was the owner of the sweary bob domain as listed in the registra details?

C: As the Sweary bob domain is proudly linked on your website does that mean you endorse its contents?

D: As you said on your own forum you know Sweary Bob can you share with us who he or she is Mr Reid?

E: Mr Reid can you explain the apparently contradictory nature of how you claim to have a clear disdain for what you call the "Pravdatiser" but seem very happy to submit a "thank you all for an another interesting and informative year" above. It does seem very conflicting Mr Reid.

http://www.geoffreid
.com/2010/05/28/the-
swindon-pravdatiser-
i-dont-buy-it-i-dont
-miss-it/

E: Mr Reid can you explain your feelings between the alleged comments of the Mayor and the post on the Sweary Bob website that seems to mock the disabled users of the dial-a-ride program here in Swindon. Are you happy to publicly condemn that content and its author here Mr Reid?

You seem like a very nice person Mr Reid and I am sure you will come along with a full and frank explanation for all these things as you are so clearly interested in holding people to account. I agree with that principle entirely Mr Reid.
Oh looks like Mr Reid has posted, not sure if its the same bloke but on the off chance fancy answering some questions? A: When labour suspended you from the party as written in their "Suspension notification from Labour South West" why did they do so? B: Are you the Geoff Reid who was the owner of the sweary bob domain as listed in the registra details? C: As the Sweary bob domain is proudly linked on your website does that mean you endorse its contents? D: As you said on your own forum you know Sweary Bob can you share with us who he or she is Mr Reid? E: Mr Reid can you explain the apparently contradictory nature of how you claim to have a clear disdain for what you call the "Pravdatiser" but seem very happy to submit a "thank you all for an another interesting and informative year" above. It does seem very conflicting Mr Reid. http://www.geoffreid .com/2010/05/28/the- swindon-pravdatiser- i-dont-buy-it-i-dont -miss-it/ E: Mr Reid can you explain your feelings between the alleged comments of the Mayor and the post on the Sweary Bob website that seems to mock the disabled users of the dial-a-ride program here in Swindon. Are you happy to publicly condemn that content and its author here Mr Reid? You seem like a very nice person Mr Reid and I am sure you will come along with a full and frank explanation for all these things as you are so clearly interested in holding people to account. I agree with that principle entirely Mr Reid. James Smith Bowser

12:22am Tue 24 Dec 13

Empty Car Park says...

Geoff Reid wrote:
"Councillor Nick Martin survived a historic vote of no confidence on Thursday when his fellow Conservative members managed to tilt the support in his direction with a 27 to 25 result. "

It would be entirely more accurate to say that Mayor Martin only survived the vote because all four of Swindon's Liberal Democrat Councillors voted to save him, (two of whom were appointed by the Conservative leadership as chairmen of influential council committees and who both receive significant amounts of remuneration from the public purse for doing so).

Readers would doubtless be interested to learn that neither of Cllr Martin's fellow ward councillors for Shaw Ward felt able to support him. One left the chamber immediately before the vote was taken and the other voted with the Labour group.

Rather than take Ringers word for it, (or anything else for that matter), readers might like to find out what really happened by watching a full video recording of the council meeting. The video will become available at Ringers favourite forum between Christmas and the New Year.

In the meantime, TS members would like to extend their sincerest and warmest seasons greeting to Adver readers, the Adver webbies, journos and sub-eds - thank you all for an another interesting and informative year :)

Geoff Reid
Thanks Geoff.
I'm looking forward to seeing the video
[quote][p][bold]Geoff Reid[/bold] wrote: "Councillor Nick Martin survived a historic vote of no confidence on Thursday when his fellow Conservative members managed to tilt the support in his direction with a 27 to 25 result. " It would be entirely more accurate to say that Mayor Martin only survived the vote because all four of Swindon's Liberal Democrat Councillors voted to save him, (two of whom were appointed by the Conservative leadership as chairmen of influential council committees and who both receive significant amounts of remuneration from the public purse for doing so). Readers would doubtless be interested to learn that neither of Cllr Martin's fellow ward councillors for Shaw Ward felt able to support him. One left the chamber immediately before the vote was taken and the other voted with the Labour group. Rather than take Ringers word for it, (or anything else for that matter), readers might like to find out what really happened by watching a full video recording of the council meeting. The video will become available at Ringers favourite forum between Christmas and the New Year. In the meantime, TS members would like to extend their sincerest and warmest seasons greeting to Adver readers, the Adver webbies, journos and sub-eds - thank you all for an another interesting and informative year :) Geoff Reid[/p][/quote]Thanks Geoff. I'm looking forward to seeing the video Empty Car Park

12:24am Tue 24 Dec 13

James Smith Bowser says...

I say this only Mr Reid as so many people on the forum you operate are clearly upset about the alleged comments and I just want to be entirely sure they are equally condemning about the website you appear to have registered, link to on your own website and say on your own forum that you know the operator "very well".

Because to do otherwise Mr Reid would make them total hypocrites and they seem to be falling over themselves to say how disdainful that find that Mr Reid. I am sure they are more than capable of holding up a mirror to themselves.

Am I right Mr Reid?
I say this only Mr Reid as so many people on the forum you operate are clearly upset about the alleged comments and I just want to be entirely sure they are equally condemning about the website you appear to have registered, link to on your own website and say on your own forum that you know the operator "very well". Because to do otherwise Mr Reid would make them total hypocrites and they seem to be falling over themselves to say how disdainful that find that Mr Reid. I am sure they are more than capable of holding up a mirror to themselves. Am I right Mr Reid? James Smith Bowser

12:25am Tue 24 Dec 13

OldTown90 says...

James Smith Bowser wrote:
Oh looks like Mr Reid has posted, not sure if its the same bloke but on the off chance fancy answering some questions?

A: When labour suspended you from the party as written in their "Suspension notification from Labour South West" why did they do so?

B: Are you the Geoff Reid who was the owner of the sweary bob domain as listed in the registra details?

C: As the Sweary bob domain is proudly linked on your website does that mean you endorse its contents?

D: As you said on your own forum you know Sweary Bob can you share with us who he or she is Mr Reid?

E: Mr Reid can you explain the apparently contradictory nature of how you claim to have a clear disdain for what you call the "Pravdatiser" but seem very happy to submit a "thank you all for an another interesting and informative year" above. It does seem very conflicting Mr Reid.

http://www.geoffreid

.com/2010/05/28/the-

swindon-pravdatiser-

i-dont-buy-it-i-dont

-miss-it/

E: Mr Reid can you explain your feelings between the alleged comments of the Mayor and the post on the Sweary Bob website that seems to mock the disabled users of the dial-a-ride program here in Swindon. Are you happy to publicly condemn that content and its author here Mr Reid?

You seem like a very nice person Mr Reid and I am sure you will come along with a full and frank explanation for all these things as you are so clearly interested in holding people to account. I agree with that principle entirely Mr Reid.
Question for JSB

This sounds very much like an email comment I recognise

How long have you been a Conservative councillor?

Only one question shouldn't take you long to answer
[quote][p][bold]James Smith Bowser[/bold] wrote: Oh looks like Mr Reid has posted, not sure if its the same bloke but on the off chance fancy answering some questions? A: When labour suspended you from the party as written in their "Suspension notification from Labour South West" why did they do so? B: Are you the Geoff Reid who was the owner of the sweary bob domain as listed in the registra details? C: As the Sweary bob domain is proudly linked on your website does that mean you endorse its contents? D: As you said on your own forum you know Sweary Bob can you share with us who he or she is Mr Reid? E: Mr Reid can you explain the apparently contradictory nature of how you claim to have a clear disdain for what you call the "Pravdatiser" but seem very happy to submit a "thank you all for an another interesting and informative year" above. It does seem very conflicting Mr Reid. http://www.geoffreid .com/2010/05/28/the- swindon-pravdatiser- i-dont-buy-it-i-dont -miss-it/ E: Mr Reid can you explain your feelings between the alleged comments of the Mayor and the post on the Sweary Bob website that seems to mock the disabled users of the dial-a-ride program here in Swindon. Are you happy to publicly condemn that content and its author here Mr Reid? You seem like a very nice person Mr Reid and I am sure you will come along with a full and frank explanation for all these things as you are so clearly interested in holding people to account. I agree with that principle entirely Mr Reid.[/p][/quote]Question for JSB This sounds very much like an email comment I recognise How long have you been a Conservative councillor? Only one question shouldn't take you long to answer OldTown90

12:28am Tue 24 Dec 13

Empty Car Park says...

Ringer,
Don 't you think it's a bit hyper-critical to ask someone why they were suspended from the labour party, but then insist that talkswindon is a forum for lefties only.

Why don't you just watch the video
Ringer, Don 't you think it's a bit hyper-critical to ask someone why they were suspended from the labour party, but then insist that talkswindon is a forum for lefties only. Why don't you just watch the video Empty Car Park

12:32am Tue 24 Dec 13

OldTown90 says...

Geoff Reid says ;

"It would be entirely more accurate to say that Mayor Martin only survived the vote because all four of Swindon's Liberal Democrat Councillors voted to save him, (two of whom were appointed by the Conservative leadership as chairmen of influential council committees and who both receive significant amounts of remuneration from the public purse for doing so)."

I thought pieces of silver were distributed at Eastertime not Christmas, am I wrong??
Geoff Reid says ; "It would be entirely more accurate to say that Mayor Martin only survived the vote because all four of Swindon's Liberal Democrat Councillors voted to save him, (two of whom were appointed by the Conservative leadership as chairmen of influential council committees and who both receive significant amounts of remuneration from the public purse for doing so)." I thought pieces of silver were distributed at Eastertime not Christmas, am I wrong?? OldTown90

2:40am Tue 24 Dec 13

Grimwald says...

James Smith Bowser wrote:
Oh looks like Mr Reid has posted, not sure if its the same bloke but on the off chance fancy answering some questions?

A: When labour suspended you from the party as written in their "Suspension notification from Labour South West" why did they do so?

B: Are you the Geoff Reid who was the owner of the sweary bob domain as listed in the registra details?

C: As the Sweary bob domain is proudly linked on your website does that mean you endorse its contents?

D: As you said on your own forum you know Sweary Bob can you share with us who he or she is Mr Reid?

E: Mr Reid can you explain the apparently contradictory nature of how you claim to have a clear disdain for what you call the "Pravdatiser" but seem very happy to submit a "thank you all for an another interesting and informative year" above. It does seem very conflicting Mr Reid.

http://www.geoffreid

.com/2010/05/28/the-

swindon-pravdatiser-

i-dont-buy-it-i-dont

-miss-it/

E: Mr Reid can you explain your feelings between the alleged comments of the Mayor and the post on the Sweary Bob website that seems to mock the disabled users of the dial-a-ride program here in Swindon. Are you happy to publicly condemn that content and its author here Mr Reid?

You seem like a very nice person Mr Reid and I am sure you will come along with a full and frank explanation for all these things as you are so clearly interested in holding people to account. I agree with that principle entirely Mr Reid.
What has this got to do with the Mayor PLEASE?
[quote][p][bold]James Smith Bowser[/bold] wrote: Oh looks like Mr Reid has posted, not sure if its the same bloke but on the off chance fancy answering some questions? A: When labour suspended you from the party as written in their "Suspension notification from Labour South West" why did they do so? B: Are you the Geoff Reid who was the owner of the sweary bob domain as listed in the registra details? C: As the Sweary bob domain is proudly linked on your website does that mean you endorse its contents? D: As you said on your own forum you know Sweary Bob can you share with us who he or she is Mr Reid? E: Mr Reid can you explain the apparently contradictory nature of how you claim to have a clear disdain for what you call the "Pravdatiser" but seem very happy to submit a "thank you all for an another interesting and informative year" above. It does seem very conflicting Mr Reid. http://www.geoffreid .com/2010/05/28/the- swindon-pravdatiser- i-dont-buy-it-i-dont -miss-it/ E: Mr Reid can you explain your feelings between the alleged comments of the Mayor and the post on the Sweary Bob website that seems to mock the disabled users of the dial-a-ride program here in Swindon. Are you happy to publicly condemn that content and its author here Mr Reid? You seem like a very nice person Mr Reid and I am sure you will come along with a full and frank explanation for all these things as you are so clearly interested in holding people to account. I agree with that principle entirely Mr Reid.[/p][/quote]What has this got to do with the Mayor PLEASE? Grimwald

2:40am Tue 24 Dec 13

Grimwald says...

James Smith Bowser wrote:
Oh looks like Mr Reid has posted, not sure if its the same bloke but on the off chance fancy answering some questions?

A: When labour suspended you from the party as written in their "Suspension notification from Labour South West" why did they do so?

B: Are you the Geoff Reid who was the owner of the sweary bob domain as listed in the registra details?

C: As the Sweary bob domain is proudly linked on your website does that mean you endorse its contents?

D: As you said on your own forum you know Sweary Bob can you share with us who he or she is Mr Reid?

E: Mr Reid can you explain the apparently contradictory nature of how you claim to have a clear disdain for what you call the "Pravdatiser" but seem very happy to submit a "thank you all for an another interesting and informative year" above. It does seem very conflicting Mr Reid.

http://www.geoffreid

.com/2010/05/28/the-

swindon-pravdatiser-

i-dont-buy-it-i-dont

-miss-it/

E: Mr Reid can you explain your feelings between the alleged comments of the Mayor and the post on the Sweary Bob website that seems to mock the disabled users of the dial-a-ride program here in Swindon. Are you happy to publicly condemn that content and its author here Mr Reid?

You seem like a very nice person Mr Reid and I am sure you will come along with a full and frank explanation for all these things as you are so clearly interested in holding people to account. I agree with that principle entirely Mr Reid.
What has this got to do with the Mayor PLEASE?
[quote][p][bold]James Smith Bowser[/bold] wrote: Oh looks like Mr Reid has posted, not sure if its the same bloke but on the off chance fancy answering some questions? A: When labour suspended you from the party as written in their "Suspension notification from Labour South West" why did they do so? B: Are you the Geoff Reid who was the owner of the sweary bob domain as listed in the registra details? C: As the Sweary bob domain is proudly linked on your website does that mean you endorse its contents? D: As you said on your own forum you know Sweary Bob can you share with us who he or she is Mr Reid? E: Mr Reid can you explain the apparently contradictory nature of how you claim to have a clear disdain for what you call the "Pravdatiser" but seem very happy to submit a "thank you all for an another interesting and informative year" above. It does seem very conflicting Mr Reid. http://www.geoffreid .com/2010/05/28/the- swindon-pravdatiser- i-dont-buy-it-i-dont -miss-it/ E: Mr Reid can you explain your feelings between the alleged comments of the Mayor and the post on the Sweary Bob website that seems to mock the disabled users of the dial-a-ride program here in Swindon. Are you happy to publicly condemn that content and its author here Mr Reid? You seem like a very nice person Mr Reid and I am sure you will come along with a full and frank explanation for all these things as you are so clearly interested in holding people to account. I agree with that principle entirely Mr Reid.[/p][/quote]What has this got to do with the Mayor PLEASE? Grimwald

2:44am Tue 24 Dec 13

Geoff Reid says...

Flattered as I am to remain interesting to the loyal right-wing, they will have to carry on speculating on the identities of past and present authors of blogs & websites I host. I neither condemn nor condone the views or content contained therein, neither do I go out of my way to read content unless and until a complaint is made and received.

In the interests of balance though, and JSB & Co wouldn't mention this themselves of course, I also host a special educational needs website for a Conservative member of Parliament, blogs for several local Councillors and, (until they were pressured to stop blogging by Conservative cabinet members), an ex Mayor of the Borough. I've never monitored any of their activities either. As with the relationship between the Advertiser and users of this comments sections, users postings are entirely their own responsibility.

Although it would be fun to pander to the Boroughs Conservative & Liberal hench-twits addiction to online tit-for-tatting, doing so would assist them in their efforts to divert attention away from the genuinely appalling spectacle of a Mayor, with an officially proven history of poor behaviour towards council employees, showing himself to be a regular offender and most, (but not all), of his political colleagues happily supporting him.

Re: The Adver. Opinions change and, after the previous Adver editor Dave King left, I happily re-subscribed to the paper taking 6 copies each week. It's not a perfect publication but it's better than a lot of others and the few remaining local employees deserve support if we want to retain a local paper. Unlike some of the posters above my attitudes and opinions are often changed by new facts, circumstances, discussion and understanding. Unlike the same posters I am not rabidly tribal and I don't suffer from polarised, cemented opinions.

The thing which lets the Adver down the most is this comments section, but the webbies understand that controversy attracts attracts readers and so turn a blind eye towards a certain amount of trolling by some regular users.

For their part, genuine readers and contributors often don't post because they'd like to share their opinion without being bullied by resident trolls, but also know that they will be bullied by trolls if they dare to disagree with their opinions or post something the trolls don't want discussed. This is a shame because a lot of varied and interesting opinion doesn't see the light of day because a small number of self-interested people work hard to prevent it.

The residents can flame me all they like, pfffft.....as if I'm bothered - I've advanced the points I intended to and now leave them free to continue committing the sins of Onan :)
Flattered as I am to remain interesting to the loyal right-wing, they will have to carry on speculating on the identities of past and present authors of blogs & websites I host. I neither condemn nor condone the views or content contained therein, neither do I go out of my way to read content unless and until a complaint is made and received. In the interests of balance though, and JSB & Co wouldn't mention this themselves of course, I also host a special educational needs website for a Conservative member of Parliament, blogs for several local Councillors and, (until they were pressured to stop blogging by Conservative cabinet members), an ex Mayor of the Borough. I've never monitored any of their activities either. As with the relationship between the Advertiser and users of this comments sections, users postings are entirely their own responsibility. Although it would be fun to pander to the Boroughs Conservative & Liberal hench-twits addiction to online tit-for-tatting, doing so would assist them in their efforts to divert attention away from the genuinely appalling spectacle of a Mayor, with an officially proven history of poor behaviour towards council employees, showing himself to be a regular offender and most, (but not all), of his political colleagues happily supporting him. Re: The Adver. Opinions change and, after the previous Adver editor Dave King left, I happily re-subscribed to the paper taking 6 copies each week. It's not a perfect publication but it's better than a lot of others and the few remaining local employees deserve support if we want to retain a local paper. Unlike some of the posters above my attitudes and opinions are often changed by new facts, circumstances, discussion and understanding. Unlike the same posters I am not rabidly tribal and I don't suffer from polarised, cemented opinions. The thing which lets the Adver down the most is this comments section, but the webbies understand that controversy attracts attracts readers and so turn a blind eye towards a certain amount of trolling by some regular users. For their part, genuine readers and contributors often don't post because they'd like to share their opinion without being bullied by resident trolls, but also know that they will be bullied by trolls if they dare to disagree with their opinions or post something the trolls don't want discussed. This is a shame because a lot of varied and interesting opinion doesn't see the light of day because a small number of self-interested people work hard to prevent it. The residents can flame me all they like, pfffft.....as if I'm bothered - I've advanced the points I intended to and now leave them free to continue committing the sins of Onan :) Geoff Reid

6:17am Tue 24 Dec 13

Ringer says...

Geoff Reid wrote:
"Councillor Nick Martin survived a historic vote of no confidence on Thursday when his fellow Conservative members managed to tilt the support in his direction with a 27 to 25 result. "

It would be entirely more accurate to say that Mayor Martin only survived the vote because all four of Swindon's Liberal Democrat Councillors voted to save him, (two of whom were appointed by the Conservative leadership as chairmen of influential council committees and who both receive significant amounts of remuneration from the public purse for doing so).

Readers would doubtless be interested to learn that neither of Cllr Martin's fellow ward councillors for Shaw Ward felt able to support him. One left the chamber immediately before the vote was taken and the other voted with the Labour group.

Rather than take Ringers word for it, (or anything else for that matter), readers might like to find out what really happened by watching a full video recording of the council meeting. The video will become available at Ringers favourite forum between Christmas and the New Year.

In the meantime, TS members would like to extend their sincerest and warmest seasons greeting to Adver readers, the Adver webbies, journos and sub-eds - thank you all for an another interesting and informative year :)

Geoff Reid
Even though you and your comrades merrily slag off the Adver, and its journalists, at every given opportunity.

The usual left-wing, two-faced hypocrisy.
[quote][p][bold]Geoff Reid[/bold] wrote: "Councillor Nick Martin survived a historic vote of no confidence on Thursday when his fellow Conservative members managed to tilt the support in his direction with a 27 to 25 result. " It would be entirely more accurate to say that Mayor Martin only survived the vote because all four of Swindon's Liberal Democrat Councillors voted to save him, (two of whom were appointed by the Conservative leadership as chairmen of influential council committees and who both receive significant amounts of remuneration from the public purse for doing so). Readers would doubtless be interested to learn that neither of Cllr Martin's fellow ward councillors for Shaw Ward felt able to support him. One left the chamber immediately before the vote was taken and the other voted with the Labour group. Rather than take Ringers word for it, (or anything else for that matter), readers might like to find out what really happened by watching a full video recording of the council meeting. The video will become available at Ringers favourite forum between Christmas and the New Year. In the meantime, TS members would like to extend their sincerest and warmest seasons greeting to Adver readers, the Adver webbies, journos and sub-eds - thank you all for an another interesting and informative year :) Geoff Reid[/p][/quote]Even though you and your comrades merrily slag off the Adver, and its journalists, at every given opportunity. The usual left-wing, two-faced hypocrisy. Ringer

6:21am Tue 24 Dec 13

Ringer says...

Empty Car Park wrote:
Ringer,
Don 't you think it's a bit hyper-critical to ask someone why they were suspended from the labour party, but then insist that talkswindon is a forum for lefties only.

Why don't you just watch the video
He was suspended by the Labour party because of his inappropriately calling Jewish people 'Nazis'.

Of course he'd have continued being a member (no pun intended) and tried to get in the trough had that not happened. To claim he is not left-wing is laughable, in the extreme.

The overriding atmosphere at Talk Swindon is decidedly left-wing. All anyone has to do it spend five minutes there to realise that. Indeed, any views that do not 'fit the brief' are removed, banned or those contributors hounded off the forum.
[quote][p][bold]Empty Car Park[/bold] wrote: Ringer, Don 't you think it's a bit hyper-critical to ask someone why they were suspended from the labour party, but then insist that talkswindon is a forum for lefties only. Why don't you just watch the video[/p][/quote]He was suspended by the Labour party because of his inappropriately calling Jewish people 'Nazis'. Of course he'd have continued being a member (no pun intended) and tried to get in the trough had that not happened. To claim he is not left-wing is laughable, in the extreme. The overriding atmosphere at Talk Swindon is decidedly left-wing. All anyone has to do it spend five minutes there to realise that. Indeed, any views that do not 'fit the brief' are removed, banned or those contributors hounded off the forum. Ringer

6:56am Tue 24 Dec 13

Empty Car Park says...

That's bizarre. Not least because your current login was used by a different person on Talk Swindon

When I've ever criticised Labours activities within Swindon Borough Clownschool, I've never been "hounded" on Talk Swindon.
Many have commented that Labour don't offer a suitable opposition and they never get what you have offered as 'robust treatment'

I only know of one person who was given a time restriction and that was of course you.

Is that why you're so bitter?

Anyway, as usual you are diverting the topic.

The topic is wether or not people have confidence in the current mayor.

I would have thought you of all people would be pleased that there is an informative video of proceedings and the mayor in action to watch
That's bizarre. Not least because your current login was used by a different person on Talk Swindon When I've ever criticised Labours activities within Swindon Borough Clownschool, I've never been "hounded" on Talk Swindon. Many have commented that Labour don't offer a suitable opposition and they never get what you have offered as 'robust treatment' I only know of one person who was given a time restriction and that was of course you. Is that why you're so bitter? Anyway, as usual you are diverting the topic. The topic is wether or not people have confidence in the current mayor. I would have thought you of all people would be pleased that there is an informative video of proceedings and the mayor in action to watch Empty Car Park

11:07am Tue 24 Dec 13

trolley dolley says...

MERRY XMAS to all Trolls
MERRY XMAS to all Trolls trolley dolley

11:30am Tue 24 Dec 13

Davey Gravey says...

Why this site is allowed to be abused by those with political agendas I don't know?
Those who do that drag others who have no political allegiances into their pathetic squabbles just because their opinion is not shared by the political trolls who lie in wait.
It's not all about Conservatives vs Labour you know? Some of us don't like either of them!!!!! And don't get me started on Bobfm who has had more lig ins than anyone and his UKIP sound offs.

Lies,false accusations and abuse along with numerous log ins, vote rigging,thumbs up and down and Councillors hiding behind numerous aliases should be stamped out. Its blatantly obvious who does it yet it still goes on unchallenged. A bit of simple moderation would get rid of them so those put off currently can post an opinion without the current farce that goes on.

Merry Christmas to all genuine folk.
Why this site is allowed to be abused by those with political agendas I don't know? Those who do that drag others who have no political allegiances into their pathetic squabbles just because their opinion is not shared by the political trolls who lie in wait. It's not all about Conservatives vs Labour you know? Some of us don't like either of them!!!!! And don't get me started on Bobfm who has had more lig ins than anyone and his UKIP sound offs. Lies,false accusations and abuse along with numerous log ins, vote rigging,thumbs up and down and Councillors hiding behind numerous aliases should be stamped out. Its blatantly obvious who does it yet it still goes on unchallenged. A bit of simple moderation would get rid of them so those put off currently can post an opinion without the current farce that goes on. Merry Christmas to all genuine folk. Davey Gravey

12:14pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Empty Car Park says...

trolley dolley wrote:
MERRY XMAS to all Trolls
Thanks Ringer
[quote][p][bold]trolley dolley[/bold] wrote: MERRY XMAS to all Trolls[/p][/quote]Thanks Ringer Empty Car Park

1:01pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Ringer says...

Empty Car Park wrote:
trolley dolley wrote:
MERRY XMAS to all Trolls
Thanks Ringer
Haha, you actually think I'm 'trolley dolley' now? You're MENTAL.

But it's progress to see you at least admit you're a troll.
[quote][p][bold]Empty Car Park[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]trolley dolley[/bold] wrote: MERRY XMAS to all Trolls[/p][/quote]Thanks Ringer[/p][/quote]Haha, you actually think I'm 'trolley dolley' now? You're MENTAL. But it's progress to see you at least admit you're a troll. Ringer

1:08pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Ringer says...

Empty Car Park wrote:
That's bizarre. Not least because your current login was used by a different person on Talk Swindon

When I've ever criticised Labours activities within Swindon Borough Clownschool, I've never been "hounded" on Talk Swindon.
Many have commented that Labour don't offer a suitable opposition and they never get what you have offered as 'robust treatment'

I only know of one person who was given a time restriction and that was of course you.

Is that why you're so bitter?

Anyway, as usual you are diverting the topic.

The topic is wether or not people have confidence in the current mayor.

I would have thought you of all people would be pleased that there is an informative video of proceedings and the mayor in action to watch
Is this the video you're referring to:

vimeo.com/25778989
[quote][p][bold]Empty Car Park[/bold] wrote: That's bizarre. Not least because your current login was used by a different person on Talk Swindon When I've ever criticised Labours activities within Swindon Borough Clownschool, I've never been "hounded" on Talk Swindon. Many have commented that Labour don't offer a suitable opposition and they never get what you have offered as 'robust treatment' I only know of one person who was given a time restriction and that was of course you. Is that why you're so bitter? Anyway, as usual you are diverting the topic. The topic is wether or not people have confidence in the current mayor. I would have thought you of all people would be pleased that there is an informative video of proceedings and the mayor in action to watch[/p][/quote]Is this the video you're referring to: vimeo.com/25778989 Ringer

2:12pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Empty Car Park says...

I never click onto your links in case they contain a virus or spyware.

The video I refer to will appear on Talk Swindon and will feature the very council meeting whereby confidence in the mayor was discussed.

An earlier video featured Oliver Donachie attempting to convert a local council meeting into national politics.

The majority of people on here would like to discuss local events, not pretend to be in a plastic westminster
I never click onto your links in case they contain a virus or spyware. The video I refer to will appear on Talk Swindon and will feature the very council meeting whereby confidence in the mayor was discussed. An earlier video featured Oliver Donachie attempting to convert a local council meeting into national politics. The majority of people on here would like to discuss local events, not pretend to be in a plastic westminster Empty Car Park

7:09am Thu 26 Dec 13

GalaxyMan says...

Left wing readers of left leaning rag fail to support right leaning mayor. Hardly worthy of a headline is it.
Left wing readers of left leaning rag fail to support right leaning mayor. Hardly worthy of a headline is it. GalaxyMan

2:06pm Thu 26 Dec 13

house on the hill says...

Empty Car Park wrote:
I never click onto your links in case they contain a virus or spyware.

The video I refer to will appear on Talk Swindon and will feature the very council meeting whereby confidence in the mayor was discussed.

An earlier video featured Oliver Donachie attempting to convert a local council meeting into national politics.

The majority of people on here would like to discuss local events, not pretend to be in a plastic westminster
clearly way too much time on your hands to spend time doing that!
[quote][p][bold]Empty Car Park[/bold] wrote: I never click onto your links in case they contain a virus or spyware. The video I refer to will appear on Talk Swindon and will feature the very council meeting whereby confidence in the mayor was discussed. An earlier video featured Oliver Donachie attempting to convert a local council meeting into national politics. The majority of people on here would like to discuss local events, not pretend to be in a plastic westminster[/p][/quote]clearly way too much time on your hands to spend time doing that! house on the hill

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