MP: "This is the best job in the world"

This Is Wiltshire: North Swindon MP Justin Tomlinson with his South Swindon colleague Robert Buckland outside the Houses of Parliament North Swindon MP Justin Tomlinson with his South Swindon colleague Robert Buckland outside the Houses of Parliament

“I have the best job in the world but I don’t take anything for granted. I know I could be voted out in the next election and I would have to roll with it.”

These were the words of North Swindon MP Justin Tomlinson during a day showing the Adver around the House of Commons.

During term-time Justin spends Mondays to Thursdays sharing a flat with another MP close to parliament. He was part of an intake of 220 new MPs brought in after the 2010 general election – the biggest set of arrivals since the Second World War.

He said it felt a lot like a university’s Freshers week – everyone was quite unsure about what was happening but eager to make friends and wanting to quickly get their feet under the table.

His office is a few blocks down from the main chamber. Apparently the further away you get, the bigger the size of the room becomes. Distance is important though as throughout any given day an alarm rings ad hoc, alerting MPs to the fact that a vote is about to take place and they have only eight minutes to make it to the main chamber.

The party whip stands at the door to tactfully remind people how they should be voting on the bills. There are two lobbying rooms where people vote – a separate one for yes and no. Doors slam shut on the eighth minute and Justin said it is not unusual to see late MPs running into the closed doors.

While they are in the voting parlour, it is a good moment to grab ministers to discuss more funding or further support for projects, opportunities that Justin claims he maximises.

When he is not voting, Justin has a long list of emails from constituents who want his help for anything from getting their drains unblocked to more serious matters such as child protection and everything in between.

“I like to look over each email myself,” said Justin. “It helps me to know what’s going on and often there are issues that, because I was a councillor for nearly 10 years before I got elected, I can resolve really quickly.”

Justin is a member on the Public Accounts Committee, which is chaired by Margaret Hodge, and he has a 100 per cent attendance record.

“When you watch the committee you have no idea who is Labour or Conservative – we all get on really well,” said Justin.

On Fridays, when parliament is out, Justin returns to Swindon to meet the people he represents. He is often invited to a number of events from sushi bar openings to football matches at primary schools.

“I try to leave Sundays free so I can see my wife Jo,” said Justin, who married Jo at the House of Commons.

“I still get excited every time I walk around (Westminster),” Justin added.

“I don’t take it for granted at all. I love my job.”

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8:31am Mon 6 Jan 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

Considering the amount of support for UKIP, Mr Tomlinson should start looking for a job
Considering the amount of support for UKIP, Mr Tomlinson should start looking for a job A.Baron-Cohen

8:40am Mon 6 Jan 14

Ringer says...

UKIP will not return an MP from Swindon at the next election, although it may be interesting if they did.

Tomlinson seems to generally be doing a good job, certainly far better than Labour's rich-boy peer Michael Wills and better than the hapless Mark Dempsey ever could.

Just so nobody forgets, here are some highlight of the last Labour MP for South Swindon's parliamentary voting record:

Voted for introducing ID cards.
Voted for introducing student top-up fees.
Voted for the Iraq war.
Voted against investigating the Iraq war.

What a nice 'caring' socialist, REALLY in touch with what the people wanted.
UKIP will not return an MP from Swindon at the next election, although it may be interesting if they did. Tomlinson seems to generally be doing a good job, certainly far better than Labour's rich-boy peer Michael Wills and better than the hapless Mark Dempsey ever could. Just so nobody forgets, here are some highlight of the last Labour MP for South Swindon's parliamentary voting record: Voted for introducing ID cards. Voted for introducing student top-up fees. Voted for the Iraq war. Voted against investigating the Iraq war. What a nice 'caring' socialist, REALLY in touch with what the people wanted. Ringer

8:45am Mon 6 Jan 14

anotherimigrant says...

“I still get excited every time I walk around (Westminster),” Justin added.

Wish he got excited a bit more about our filth,y dangerous hospital.

I cant help but notice, neither of our illustrious MP,s have ever commenting on this subject.

Still, I expect they'll be asking for us to vote them in for
another "exciting" time, soon.

Think on dreamers.

I get excited thinking we'll get someone who looks after the PEOPLE of Swindon, not just going to the playboy club, Monday to Friday.

So lets have some comments on.... "What did your MP do for Swindon"

Opps , NOTHING.
“I still get excited every time I walk around (Westminster),” Justin added. Wish he got excited a bit more about our filth,y dangerous hospital. I cant help but notice, neither of our illustrious MP,s have ever commenting on this subject. Still, I expect they'll be asking for us to vote them in for another "exciting" time, soon. Think on dreamers. I get excited thinking we'll get someone who looks after the PEOPLE of Swindon, not just going to the playboy club, Monday to Friday. So lets have some comments on.... "What did your MP do for Swindon" Opps , NOTHING. anotherimigrant

9:01am Mon 6 Jan 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

Ringer wrote:
UKIP will not return an MP from Swindon at the next election, although it may be interesting if they did.

Tomlinson seems to generally be doing a good job, certainly far better than Labour's rich-boy peer Michael Wills and better than the hapless Mark Dempsey ever could.

Just so nobody forgets, here are some highlight of the last Labour MP for South Swindon's parliamentary voting record:

Voted for introducing ID cards.
Voted for introducing student top-up fees.
Voted for the Iraq war.
Voted against investigating the Iraq war.

What a nice 'caring' socialist, REALLY in touch with what the people wanted.
A vote for UKIP is a lost vote for Mr Tomlinson
[quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: UKIP will not return an MP from Swindon at the next election, although it may be interesting if they did. Tomlinson seems to generally be doing a good job, certainly far better than Labour's rich-boy peer Michael Wills and better than the hapless Mark Dempsey ever could. Just so nobody forgets, here are some highlight of the last Labour MP for South Swindon's parliamentary voting record: Voted for introducing ID cards. Voted for introducing student top-up fees. Voted for the Iraq war. Voted against investigating the Iraq war. What a nice 'caring' socialist, REALLY in touch with what the people wanted.[/p][/quote]A vote for UKIP is a lost vote for Mr Tomlinson A.Baron-Cohen

9:12am Mon 6 Jan 14

Davethered says...

Well the Tories won't be getting my vote this time . Never again
Well the Tories won't be getting my vote this time . Never again Davethered

9:50am Mon 6 Jan 14

Morsey says...

First job, Justin ... Renard is desperate for some money as SBC is in a right 'Pickle' ... time for some hard bargaining!
First job, Justin ... Renard is desperate for some money as SBC is in a right 'Pickle' ... time for some hard bargaining! Morsey

10:19am Mon 6 Jan 14

Davey Gravey says...

I think labour will win the next election. Many ex Tories are switching to ukip and previous labour voters who gave the lib dems their vote last time will go back to labour.
I will probably spoil my vote.
I think labour will win the next election. Many ex Tories are switching to ukip and previous labour voters who gave the lib dems their vote last time will go back to labour. I will probably spoil my vote. Davey Gravey

10:27am Mon 6 Jan 14

benzss says...

Ringer wrote:
UKIP will not return an MP from Swindon at the next election, although it may be interesting if they did.

Tomlinson seems to generally be doing a good job, certainly far better than Labour's rich-boy peer Michael Wills and better than the hapless Mark Dempsey ever could.

Just so nobody forgets, here are some highlight of the last Labour MP for South Swindon's parliamentary voting record:

Voted for introducing ID cards.
Voted for introducing student top-up fees.
Voted for the Iraq war.
Voted against investigating the Iraq war.

What a nice 'caring' socialist, REALLY in touch with what the people wanted.
And yet she has the gall to be a member of Amnesty International.
[quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: UKIP will not return an MP from Swindon at the next election, although it may be interesting if they did. Tomlinson seems to generally be doing a good job, certainly far better than Labour's rich-boy peer Michael Wills and better than the hapless Mark Dempsey ever could. Just so nobody forgets, here are some highlight of the last Labour MP for South Swindon's parliamentary voting record: Voted for introducing ID cards. Voted for introducing student top-up fees. Voted for the Iraq war. Voted against investigating the Iraq war. What a nice 'caring' socialist, REALLY in touch with what the people wanted.[/p][/quote]And yet she has the gall to be a member of Amnesty International. benzss

10:36am Mon 6 Jan 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
I think labour will win the next election. Many ex Tories are switching to ukip and previous labour voters who gave the lib dems their vote last time will go back to labour.
I will probably spoil my vote.
This is a fair prediction, Labour is on course to win the next GE. Because the parties are going down the wrong road, politically it is very popular to be anti Europe and playing the xenophobic rhetoric, however it is not fixing the main issues: our living standards are not improving, unemployment (long term and youth) and underemployment are still holding millions from sharing this pseudo Economic recovery.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: I think labour will win the next election. Many ex Tories are switching to ukip and previous labour voters who gave the lib dems their vote last time will go back to labour. I will probably spoil my vote.[/p][/quote]This is a fair prediction, Labour is on course to win the next GE. Because the parties are going down the wrong road, politically it is very popular to be anti Europe and playing the xenophobic rhetoric, however it is not fixing the main issues: our living standards are not improving, unemployment (long term and youth) and underemployment are still holding millions from sharing this pseudo Economic recovery. A.Baron-Cohen

10:39am Mon 6 Jan 14

Robh says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
I think labour will win the next election. Many ex Tories are switching to ukip and previous labour voters who gave the lib dems their vote last time will go back to labour.
I will probably spoil my vote.
Labour haven't won an election for many years. Most of them have been lost by the Tories because of Labour's pie in the sky deceitful promises.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: I think labour will win the next election. Many ex Tories are switching to ukip and previous labour voters who gave the lib dems their vote last time will go back to labour. I will probably spoil my vote.[/p][/quote]Labour haven't won an election for many years. Most of them have been lost by the Tories because of Labour's pie in the sky deceitful promises. Robh

10:40am Mon 6 Jan 14

swindondad says...

For as long as elections to Westminster are held under the first past the post system the electorate of North Swindon has three options Tory, Labour or a protest vote so Justin stands a good chance of keeping his job past 2015.

The 6 MEP's for the area (South West England) face a tougher job this May as under PR people have a greater chance of electing at least 1 (two last time) MEP’s from what would otherwise be "protest" parties.
For as long as elections to Westminster are held under the first past the post system the electorate of North Swindon has three options Tory, Labour or a protest vote so Justin stands a good chance of keeping his job past 2015. The 6 MEP's for the area (South West England) face a tougher job this May as under PR people have a greater chance of electing at least 1 (two last time) MEP’s from what would otherwise be "protest" parties. swindondad

10:40am Mon 6 Jan 14

Ringer says...

Things are at least starting to show signs of recovery and improvement but it'll take many years to get the country back on a relatively even keel.

Whether we like it or not, Labour cannot be trusted ever again with the economy, immigration or foreign wars and the LibDems are obviously now just a failed joke. UKIP would not actually be able to form a functioning government.
Things are at least starting to show signs of recovery and improvement but it'll take many years to get the country back on a relatively even keel. Whether we like it or not, Labour cannot be trusted ever again with the economy, immigration or foreign wars and the LibDems are obviously now just a failed joke. UKIP would not actually be able to form a functioning government. Ringer

11:26am Mon 6 Jan 14

Davey Gravey says...

Robh wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
I think labour will win the next election. Many ex Tories are switching to ukip and previous labour voters who gave the lib dems their vote last time will go back to labour.
I will probably spoil my vote.
Labour haven't won an election for many years. Most of them have been lost by the Tories because of Labour's pie in the sky deceitful promises.
I'd say it went both ways. The Tories and Labour have been voted out at their respective times rather than the winner being voted in.

Last time it being so close and with many voting Libdem I cannot see happening again. Libdem will be embarrassed next time I think and deserting Tories will open it up to Labour.
[quote][p][bold]Robh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: I think labour will win the next election. Many ex Tories are switching to ukip and previous labour voters who gave the lib dems their vote last time will go back to labour. I will probably spoil my vote.[/p][/quote]Labour haven't won an election for many years. Most of them have been lost by the Tories because of Labour's pie in the sky deceitful promises.[/p][/quote]I'd say it went both ways. The Tories and Labour have been voted out at their respective times rather than the winner being voted in. Last time it being so close and with many voting Libdem I cannot see happening again. Libdem will be embarrassed next time I think and deserting Tories will open it up to Labour. Davey Gravey

12:55pm Mon 6 Jan 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

I also think that UKIP will split the Tory vote giving a victory to Labour. No doubt Labour will spend the following 4/5 years in office spending money on the countries credit card and complaining how bad things were left by the Tories whilst still not acknowledging their failures in office the last time.

As for Thomlinson, well he's a typical self publicising politician. Its all about him and how he gets things done; the reality being he takes the credit for the work of others; financial education in schools being a perfect example. Notice how the politicians are not campaigning for basic politics to be mandatory in schools.
I also think that UKIP will split the Tory vote giving a victory to Labour. No doubt Labour will spend the following 4/5 years in office spending money on the countries credit card and complaining how bad things were left by the Tories whilst still not acknowledging their failures in office the last time. As for Thomlinson, well he's a typical self publicising politician. Its all about him and how he gets things done; the reality being he takes the credit for the work of others; financial education in schools being a perfect example. Notice how the politicians are not campaigning for basic politics to be mandatory in schools. LordAshOfTheBrake

12:58pm Mon 6 Jan 14

adsinibiza says...

I think enough Tories might vote for UKIP to allow a Labour victory - quite ironic really given Labour's past record and current policies on immigration, Europe etc.....
I think enough Tories might vote for UKIP to allow a Labour victory - quite ironic really given Labour's past record and current policies on immigration, Europe etc..... adsinibiza

1:17pm Mon 6 Jan 14

benzss says...

LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
I also think that UKIP will split the Tory vote giving a victory to Labour. No doubt Labour will spend the following 4/5 years in office spending money on the countries credit card and complaining how bad things were left by the Tories whilst still not acknowledging their failures in office the last time.

As for Thomlinson, well he's a typical self publicising politician. Its all about him and how he gets things done; the reality being he takes the credit for the work of others; financial education in schools being a perfect example. Notice how the politicians are not campaigning for basic politics to be mandatory in schools.
I never did understand why certain subjects are not taught in school. Basic politics would be good, although I suppose it is something of a hot potato. Until you reach university age, you're not really experienced enough to distinguish fact from the lecturer's opinion (and even then it's a bit dicey). And with many teachers being unionised, I do wonder what exactly would be taught...

The other subject which absolutely must be taught from the age of 5 is a foreign language. Why oh why?

Oh, and philosophy would be a good addition. Critical thinking is woefully absent unless you accidentally stumble into it at A-level.
[quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: I also think that UKIP will split the Tory vote giving a victory to Labour. No doubt Labour will spend the following 4/5 years in office spending money on the countries credit card and complaining how bad things were left by the Tories whilst still not acknowledging their failures in office the last time. As for Thomlinson, well he's a typical self publicising politician. Its all about him and how he gets things done; the reality being he takes the credit for the work of others; financial education in schools being a perfect example. Notice how the politicians are not campaigning for basic politics to be mandatory in schools.[/p][/quote]I never did understand why certain subjects are not taught in school. Basic politics would be good, although I suppose it is something of a hot potato. Until you reach university age, you're not really experienced enough to distinguish fact from the lecturer's opinion (and even then it's a bit dicey). And with many teachers being unionised, I do wonder what exactly would be taught... The other subject which absolutely must be taught from the age of 5 is a foreign language. Why oh why? Oh, and philosophy would be a good addition. Critical thinking is woefully absent unless you accidentally stumble into it at A-level. benzss

1:48pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Ringer says...

It would be political suicide for any government to introduce 'Politics' as a lesson in general schools, as the assumption would be that they would set an agenda that suited them.

As it stands, the teaching profession is very left-leaning, with one of the most militant Marxist unions being the NUT (which even a large percentage of teachers are embarrassed of), and so it'd be difficult to imagine any government giving them free rein to 'teach' politics.
It would be political suicide for any government to introduce 'Politics' as a lesson in general schools, as the assumption would be that they would set an agenda that suited them. As it stands, the teaching profession is very left-leaning, with one of the most militant Marxist unions being the NUT (which even a large percentage of teachers are embarrassed of), and so it'd be difficult to imagine any government giving them free rein to 'teach' politics. Ringer

1:59pm Mon 6 Jan 14

benzss says...

Ringer wrote:
It would be political suicide for any government to introduce 'Politics' as a lesson in general schools, as the assumption would be that they would set an agenda that suited them.

As it stands, the teaching profession is very left-leaning, with one of the most militant Marxist unions being the NUT (which even a large percentage of teachers are embarrassed of), and so it'd be difficult to imagine any government giving them free rein to 'teach' politics.
Well, it *is* a GCSE subject, and obviously an A-level one. Not that I've ever heard of it being taught in KS4.
[quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: It would be political suicide for any government to introduce 'Politics' as a lesson in general schools, as the assumption would be that they would set an agenda that suited them. As it stands, the teaching profession is very left-leaning, with one of the most militant Marxist unions being the NUT (which even a large percentage of teachers are embarrassed of), and so it'd be difficult to imagine any government giving them free rein to 'teach' politics.[/p][/quote]Well, it *is* a GCSE subject, and obviously an A-level one. Not that I've ever heard of it being taught in KS4. benzss

2:24pm Mon 6 Jan 14

nigelej says...

Ringer wrote:
Things are at least starting to show signs of recovery and improvement but it'll take many years to get the country back on a relatively even keel.

Whether we like it or not, Labour cannot be trusted ever again with the economy, immigration or foreign wars and the LibDems are obviously now just a failed joke. UKIP would not actually be able to form a functioning government.
So tell me what can you trust the Tories with . One thing is they have so far helped towards the death of 10,600 sick or disabled people .that is the figure so far on the Dwp sight there official figures not concocted ,factual .that is people that have so far died or committed suicide within 6 weeks of being told they are fit for work . I'm not proud of that for sure . On that principle alone they will never get my vote again and many others that I know feel the same even someone I know actually stood up at a conservative conference when Mrs Thatcher was prime minister and was a stusnch conservative phoned me the other day when he heard about a 53 year old nurse who killed herself because atos experts over ruled her gp and hospital specialist and told her she was fit . Yes I know the welfare state needs looking at and so does many other things but if you believe they are doing a good job of the welfare reforms you should look at how much money they have wasted on it so far. Now on a personnel note mr Tomlinson as been very helpful to many when I needed it and as. Person and mp came across very well and compassionate . But I can't vote a party that allows its own people to die in the numbers mentioned and not do anything about it .
[quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: Things are at least starting to show signs of recovery and improvement but it'll take many years to get the country back on a relatively even keel. Whether we like it or not, Labour cannot be trusted ever again with the economy, immigration or foreign wars and the LibDems are obviously now just a failed joke. UKIP would not actually be able to form a functioning government.[/p][/quote]So tell me what can you trust the Tories with . One thing is they have so far helped towards the death of 10,600 sick or disabled people .that is the figure so far on the Dwp sight there official figures not concocted ,factual .that is people that have so far died or committed suicide within 6 weeks of being told they are fit for work . I'm not proud of that for sure . On that principle alone they will never get my vote again and many others that I know feel the same even someone I know actually stood up at a conservative conference when Mrs Thatcher was prime minister and was a stusnch conservative phoned me the other day when he heard about a 53 year old nurse who killed herself because atos experts over ruled her gp and hospital specialist and told her she was fit . Yes I know the welfare state needs looking at and so does many other things but if you believe they are doing a good job of the welfare reforms you should look at how much money they have wasted on it so far. Now on a personnel note mr Tomlinson as been very helpful to many when I needed it and as. Person and mp came across very well and compassionate . But I can't vote a party that allows its own people to die in the numbers mentioned and not do anything about it . nigelej

2:42pm Mon 6 Jan 14

BeardyBill123 says...

swindondad wrote:
For as long as elections to Westminster are held under the first past the post system the electorate of North Swindon has three options Tory, Labour or a protest vote so Justin stands a good chance of keeping his job past 2015.

The 6 MEP's for the area (South West England) face a tougher job this May as under PR people have a greater chance of electing at least 1 (two last time) MEP’s from what would otherwise be "protest" parties.
And that's the problem...Labour/Tor
y, no difference between them - largely "professional" politicians, who owe their allegiance to their party, rather than their electorate. As for the protest vote, largely extremist nutters.

I'd like to see some independent minded MPs, who are not interested in promotion to junior government jobs, and who are prepared to tell the whips to get stuffed. I'd like to see some horse-trading - MPs who are prepared to tell the government, you want my vote, then do something for my constituency.

Shame it aint going to happen - whoever wins the seat, we'll end up with a party hack who tows the line.
[quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: For as long as elections to Westminster are held under the first past the post system the electorate of North Swindon has three options Tory, Labour or a protest vote so Justin stands a good chance of keeping his job past 2015. The 6 MEP's for the area (South West England) face a tougher job this May as under PR people have a greater chance of electing at least 1 (two last time) MEP’s from what would otherwise be "protest" parties.[/p][/quote]And that's the problem...Labour/Tor y, no difference between them - largely "professional" politicians, who owe their allegiance to their party, rather than their electorate. As for the protest vote, largely extremist nutters. I'd like to see some independent minded MPs, who are not interested in promotion to junior government jobs, and who are prepared to tell the whips to get stuffed. I'd like to see some horse-trading - MPs who are prepared to tell the government, you want my vote, then do something for my constituency. Shame it aint going to happen - whoever wins the seat, we'll end up with a party hack who tows the line. BeardyBill123

2:50pm Mon 6 Jan 14

BeardyBill123 says...

On another note, its good to see someone who is obviously really happy in his work, and looks like he has no intention of not standing at the next election.

No need for an 11% pay rise then - the free market rules, we have someone who is happy doing a job at the current rate :o)
On another note, its good to see someone who is obviously really happy in his work, and looks like he has no intention of not standing at the next election. No need for an 11% pay rise then - the free market rules, we have someone who is happy doing a job at the current rate :o) BeardyBill123

2:53pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Ringer says...

nigelej wrote:
Ringer wrote:
Things are at least starting to show signs of recovery and improvement but it'll take many years to get the country back on a relatively even keel.

Whether we like it or not, Labour cannot be trusted ever again with the economy, immigration or foreign wars and the LibDems are obviously now just a failed joke. UKIP would not actually be able to form a functioning government.
So tell me what can you trust the Tories with . One thing is they have so far helped towards the death of 10,600 sick or disabled people .that is the figure so far on the Dwp sight there official figures not concocted ,factual .that is people that have so far died or committed suicide within 6 weeks of being told they are fit for work . I'm not proud of that for sure . On that principle alone they will never get my vote again and many others that I know feel the same even someone I know actually stood up at a conservative conference when Mrs Thatcher was prime minister and was a stusnch conservative phoned me the other day when he heard about a 53 year old nurse who killed herself because atos experts over ruled her gp and hospital specialist and told her she was fit . Yes I know the welfare state needs looking at and so does many other things but if you believe they are doing a good job of the welfare reforms you should look at how much money they have wasted on it so far. Now on a personnel note mr Tomlinson as been very helpful to many when I needed it and as. Person and mp came across very well and compassionate . But I can't vote a party that allows its own people to die in the numbers mentioned and not do anything about it .
Nigel, the NHS kills tens of thousands of people every year, yet loads of people still think it's the best thing ever.

When you say the Tories have 'helped' towards the death of 10,600 people, what does that actually mean? They stood over them and held a cushion over their faces?

You seem to think the fact that the official figures don't mention it means they're hiding something. That's a bit of a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' scenario, surely?

The government can't be held responsible for people committing suicide. If they could, there'd be nobody left alive when Brown was prime minister.

I know it's important to you, but I think a lot of people are a bit sick and tired of people claiming to be 'disabled' in order to live for free. You only have to look at the number of people who have been found fit for work by medical professionals to see how many have been trying it on.

Also, how do you explain how, almost overnight, SO many people in this country suddenly became too 'disabled' to work?


Disability Living Allowance total in 1992: 1 million

Disability Living Allowance total in 2013: 3 million


Surely you must realise how suspect that increase looks?

It's also ridiculous to suggest governments 'let' people die. Nobody can keep anyone alive forever, no matter how much of other people's money they chuck at them.
[quote][p][bold]nigelej[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: Things are at least starting to show signs of recovery and improvement but it'll take many years to get the country back on a relatively even keel. Whether we like it or not, Labour cannot be trusted ever again with the economy, immigration or foreign wars and the LibDems are obviously now just a failed joke. UKIP would not actually be able to form a functioning government.[/p][/quote]So tell me what can you trust the Tories with . One thing is they have so far helped towards the death of 10,600 sick or disabled people .that is the figure so far on the Dwp sight there official figures not concocted ,factual .that is people that have so far died or committed suicide within 6 weeks of being told they are fit for work . I'm not proud of that for sure . On that principle alone they will never get my vote again and many others that I know feel the same even someone I know actually stood up at a conservative conference when Mrs Thatcher was prime minister and was a stusnch conservative phoned me the other day when he heard about a 53 year old nurse who killed herself because atos experts over ruled her gp and hospital specialist and told her she was fit . Yes I know the welfare state needs looking at and so does many other things but if you believe they are doing a good job of the welfare reforms you should look at how much money they have wasted on it so far. Now on a personnel note mr Tomlinson as been very helpful to many when I needed it and as. Person and mp came across very well and compassionate . But I can't vote a party that allows its own people to die in the numbers mentioned and not do anything about it .[/p][/quote]Nigel, the NHS kills tens of thousands of people every year, yet loads of people still think it's the best thing ever. When you say the Tories have 'helped' towards the death of 10,600 people, what does that actually mean? They stood over them and held a cushion over their faces? You seem to think the fact that the official figures don't mention it means they're hiding something. That's a bit of a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' scenario, surely? The government can't be held responsible for people committing suicide. If they could, there'd be nobody left alive when Brown was prime minister. I know it's important to you, but I think a lot of people are a bit sick and tired of people claiming to be 'disabled' in order to live for free. You only have to look at the number of people who have been found fit for work by medical professionals to see how many have been trying it on. Also, how do you explain how, almost overnight, SO many people in this country suddenly became too 'disabled' to work? [quote] Disability Living Allowance total in 1992: 1 million Disability Living Allowance total in 2013: 3 million [/quote] Surely you must realise how suspect that increase looks? It's also ridiculous to suggest governments 'let' people die. Nobody can keep anyone alive forever, no matter how much of other people's money they chuck at them. Ringer

3:08pm Mon 6 Jan 14

swindondad says...

nigelej wrote:
Ringer wrote: Things are at least starting to show signs of recovery and improvement but it'll take many years to get the country back on a relatively even keel. Whether we like it or not, Labour cannot be trusted ever again with the economy, immigration or foreign wars and the LibDems are obviously now just a failed joke. UKIP would not actually be able to form a functioning government.
So tell me what can you trust the Tories with . One thing is they have so far helped towards the death of 10,600 sick or disabled people .that is the figure so far on the Dwp sight there official figures not concocted ,factual .that is people that have so far died or committed suicide within 6 weeks of being told they are fit for work . I'm not proud of that for sure . On that principle alone they will never get my vote again and many others that I know feel the same even someone I know actually stood up at a conservative conference when Mrs Thatcher was prime minister and was a stusnch conservative phoned me the other day when he heard about a 53 year old nurse who killed herself because atos experts over ruled her gp and hospital specialist and told her she was fit . Yes I know the welfare state needs looking at and so does many other things but if you believe they are doing a good job of the welfare reforms you should look at how much money they have wasted on it so far. Now on a personnel note mr Tomlinson as been very helpful to many when I needed it and as. Person and mp came across very well and compassionate . But I can't vote a party that allows its own people to die in the numbers mentioned and not do anything about it .
nigelej.

Even if (and it’s a big if) the figure for deaths within 6 weeks are correct they are meaningless without context.

For example there are over half a million deaths every year in the UK. (UK population over 63 million mortality rate 8.8/1000 = 554,400 pa). That a death every minuet.

BTW according to the ONS latest figures (October 2013) there were 2,465,000 people on benefit in the UK.
[quote][p][bold]nigelej[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: Things are at least starting to show signs of recovery and improvement but it'll take many years to get the country back on a relatively even keel. Whether we like it or not, Labour cannot be trusted ever again with the economy, immigration or foreign wars and the LibDems are obviously now just a failed joke. UKIP would not actually be able to form a functioning government.[/p][/quote]So tell me what can you trust the Tories with . One thing is they have so far helped towards the death of 10,600 sick or disabled people .that is the figure so far on the Dwp sight there official figures not concocted ,factual .that is people that have so far died or committed suicide within 6 weeks of being told they are fit for work . I'm not proud of that for sure . On that principle alone they will never get my vote again and many others that I know feel the same even someone I know actually stood up at a conservative conference when Mrs Thatcher was prime minister and was a stusnch conservative phoned me the other day when he heard about a 53 year old nurse who killed herself because atos experts over ruled her gp and hospital specialist and told her she was fit . Yes I know the welfare state needs looking at and so does many other things but if you believe they are doing a good job of the welfare reforms you should look at how much money they have wasted on it so far. Now on a personnel note mr Tomlinson as been very helpful to many when I needed it and as. Person and mp came across very well and compassionate . But I can't vote a party that allows its own people to die in the numbers mentioned and not do anything about it .[/p][/quote]nigelej. Even if (and it’s a big if) the figure for deaths within 6 weeks are correct they are meaningless without context. For example there are over half a million deaths every year in the UK. (UK population over 63 million mortality rate 8.8/1000 = 554,400 pa). That a death every minuet. BTW according to the ONS latest figures (October 2013) there were 2,465,000 people on benefit in the UK. swindondad

3:24pm Mon 6 Jan 14

swindondad says...

I thought the figure sounded suspect.

Actual figure in a 12 month period (and source)

In total, between October 2010 and November 2011, some 310 claims ended and a date of death was recorded within six weeks of the claim end.

https://www.gov.uk/g
overnment/uploads/sy
stem/uploads/attachm
ent_data/file/223050
/incap_decd_recips_0
712.pdf
I thought the figure sounded suspect. Actual figure in a 12 month period (and source) In total, between October 2010 and November 2011, some 310 claims ended and a date of death was recorded within six weeks of the claim end. https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/uploads/sy stem/uploads/attachm ent_data/file/223050 /incap_decd_recips_0 712.pdf swindondad

4:00pm Mon 6 Jan 14

nigelej says...

Ringer wrote:
nigelej wrote:
Ringer wrote:
Things are at least starting to show signs of recovery and improvement but it'll take many years to get the country back on a relatively even keel.

Whether we like it or not, Labour cannot be trusted ever again with the economy, immigration or foreign wars and the LibDems are obviously now just a failed joke. UKIP would not actually be able to form a functioning government.
So tell me what can you trust the Tories with . One thing is they have so far helped towards the death of 10,600 sick or disabled people .that is the figure so far on the Dwp sight there official figures not concocted ,factual .that is people that have so far died or committed suicide within 6 weeks of being told they are fit for work . I'm not proud of that for sure . On that principle alone they will never get my vote again and many others that I know feel the same even someone I know actually stood up at a conservative conference when Mrs Thatcher was prime minister and was a stusnch conservative phoned me the other day when he heard about a 53 year old nurse who killed herself because atos experts over ruled her gp and hospital specialist and told her she was fit . Yes I know the welfare state needs looking at and so does many other things but if you believe they are doing a good job of the welfare reforms you should look at how much money they have wasted on it so far. Now on a personnel note mr Tomlinson as been very helpful to many when I needed it and as. Person and mp came across very well and compassionate . But I can't vote a party that allows its own people to die in the numbers mentioned and not do anything about it .
Nigel, the NHS kills tens of thousands of people every year, yet loads of people still think it's the best thing ever.

When you say the Tories have 'helped' towards the death of 10,600 people, what does that actually mean? They stood over them and held a cushion over their faces?

You seem to think the fact that the official figures don't mention it means they're hiding something. That's a bit of a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' scenario, surely?

The government can't be held responsible for people committing suicide. If they could, there'd be nobody left alive when Brown was prime minister.

I know it's important to you, but I think a lot of people are a bit sick and tired of people claiming to be 'disabled' in order to live for free. You only have to look at the number of people who have been found fit for work by medical professionals to see how many have been trying it on.

Also, how do you explain how, almost overnight, SO many people in this country suddenly became too 'disabled' to work?


Disability Living Allowance total in 1992: 1 million

Disability Living Allowance total in 2013: 3 million


Surely you must realise how suspect that increase looks?

It's also ridiculous to suggest governments 'let' people die. Nobody can keep anyone alive forever, no matter how much of other people's money they chuck at them.
Those figures are from the works and pensions site also they are people that were told they were fit for work .how could they be if they've died within 6 weeks . There GPS supported there claims . What are doctors for why have they trained so hard . Who lies your gp who knows you or some one from atos that does not have a clue . I agree with many of your points not all on some occasions .but I believe there is a lot more the government could do to sort out the benefits system .ie they have systems that they can collect information on and sort out the real fruadsters from the genuine people . By the way I don't pay tax now and if I did I wouldn't be happy with some of the situations that we see . But we will probably always disagree when it comes to this subject
[quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigelej[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: Things are at least starting to show signs of recovery and improvement but it'll take many years to get the country back on a relatively even keel. Whether we like it or not, Labour cannot be trusted ever again with the economy, immigration or foreign wars and the LibDems are obviously now just a failed joke. UKIP would not actually be able to form a functioning government.[/p][/quote]So tell me what can you trust the Tories with . One thing is they have so far helped towards the death of 10,600 sick or disabled people .that is the figure so far on the Dwp sight there official figures not concocted ,factual .that is people that have so far died or committed suicide within 6 weeks of being told they are fit for work . I'm not proud of that for sure . On that principle alone they will never get my vote again and many others that I know feel the same even someone I know actually stood up at a conservative conference when Mrs Thatcher was prime minister and was a stusnch conservative phoned me the other day when he heard about a 53 year old nurse who killed herself because atos experts over ruled her gp and hospital specialist and told her she was fit . Yes I know the welfare state needs looking at and so does many other things but if you believe they are doing a good job of the welfare reforms you should look at how much money they have wasted on it so far. Now on a personnel note mr Tomlinson as been very helpful to many when I needed it and as. Person and mp came across very well and compassionate . But I can't vote a party that allows its own people to die in the numbers mentioned and not do anything about it .[/p][/quote]Nigel, the NHS kills tens of thousands of people every year, yet loads of people still think it's the best thing ever. When you say the Tories have 'helped' towards the death of 10,600 people, what does that actually mean? They stood over them and held a cushion over their faces? You seem to think the fact that the official figures don't mention it means they're hiding something. That's a bit of a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' scenario, surely? The government can't be held responsible for people committing suicide. If they could, there'd be nobody left alive when Brown was prime minister. I know it's important to you, but I think a lot of people are a bit sick and tired of people claiming to be 'disabled' in order to live for free. You only have to look at the number of people who have been found fit for work by medical professionals to see how many have been trying it on. Also, how do you explain how, almost overnight, SO many people in this country suddenly became too 'disabled' to work? [quote] Disability Living Allowance total in 1992: 1 million Disability Living Allowance total in 2013: 3 million [/quote] Surely you must realise how suspect that increase looks? It's also ridiculous to suggest governments 'let' people die. Nobody can keep anyone alive forever, no matter how much of other people's money they chuck at them.[/p][/quote]Those figures are from the works and pensions site also they are people that were told they were fit for work .how could they be if they've died within 6 weeks . There GPS supported there claims . What are doctors for why have they trained so hard . Who lies your gp who knows you or some one from atos that does not have a clue . I agree with many of your points not all on some occasions .but I believe there is a lot more the government could do to sort out the benefits system .ie they have systems that they can collect information on and sort out the real fruadsters from the genuine people . By the way I don't pay tax now and if I did I wouldn't be happy with some of the situations that we see . But we will probably always disagree when it comes to this subject nigelej

4:21pm Mon 6 Jan 14

nigelej says...

swindondad wrote:
I thought the figure sounded suspect.

Actual figure in a 12 month period (and source)

In total, between October 2010 and November 2011, some 310 claims ended and a date of death was recorded within six weeks of the claim end.

https://www.gov.uk/g

overnment/uploads/sy

stem/uploads/attachm

ent_data/file/223050

/incap_decd_recips_0

712.pdf
Go back and look at table three they are not suspect figures at all they are on there own site .sorry you are wrong on this one .
[quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: I thought the figure sounded suspect. Actual figure in a 12 month period (and source) In total, between October 2010 and November 2011, some 310 claims ended and a date of death was recorded within six weeks of the claim end. https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/uploads/sy stem/uploads/attachm ent_data/file/223050 /incap_decd_recips_0 712.pdf[/p][/quote]Go back and look at table three they are not suspect figures at all they are on there own site .sorry you are wrong on this one . nigelej

4:47pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Ringer says...


Those figures are from the works and pensions site also they are people that were told they were fit for work .how could they be if they've died within 6 weeks .


The two things aren't related!

Plenty of people are perfectly fit and able to work today and will be dead by the end of this month - it doesn't mean *anything*.

Equally, somebody who is unfit for work today could become fit and healthy again for work in six month's time. Or are you saying that once somebody goes 'on the sick' they should be allowed to stay on benefits until the die, regardless of their *actual* health?

You are looking for a, rather nasty, means to attack the government and it's just utter nonsense I'm afraid.
[quote] Those figures are from the works and pensions site also they are people that were told they were fit for work .how could they be if they've died within 6 weeks . [/quote] The two things aren't related! Plenty of people are perfectly fit and able to work today and will be dead by the end of this month - it doesn't mean *anything*. Equally, somebody who is unfit for work today could become fit and healthy again for work in six month's time. Or are you saying that once somebody goes 'on the sick' they should be allowed to stay on benefits until the die, regardless of their *actual* health? You are looking for a, rather nasty, means to attack the government and it's just utter nonsense I'm afraid. Ringer

6:07pm Mon 6 Jan 14

candid friend says...

My experience of Robert Buckland is that he is concerned and responds promptly to issues raised by constituents.
The record of the Tory Group, plus the threat from UKIP, must make both Swindon seats marginal.
The tories have:-
(a) Interfered in the management by making the officers subordinate to dubious Mentors from the private sector.
(b) Gave a large sum of ratepayers cash to one of the mentors who then was bankrupted.
(c)Sold off significant assets at a loss to the ratepayers. Such assets built up over generations will never be replaced.
My experience of Robert Buckland is that he is concerned and responds promptly to issues raised by constituents. The record of the Tory Group, plus the threat from UKIP, must make both Swindon seats marginal. The tories have:- (a) Interfered in the management by making the officers subordinate to dubious Mentors from the private sector. (b) Gave a large sum of ratepayers cash to one of the mentors who then was bankrupted. (c)Sold off significant assets at a loss to the ratepayers. Such assets built up over generations will never be replaced. candid friend

11:55pm Mon 6 Jan 14

twasadawf says...

If the government are so set on reducing costs then swindon only needs one MP ,the country as a hole does not require the number of MP's that so say represent us, do a maggie thatcher and shut down 50% of MP's
If the government are so set on reducing costs then swindon only needs one MP ,the country as a hole does not require the number of MP's that so say represent us, do a maggie thatcher and shut down 50% of MP's twasadawf

1:33am Tue 7 Jan 14

lisers says...

RINGER . . these tests consist of being able to tap a keyboard with one finger or hold a pen how does that prove anything and .what you don't seem to realise is that these sick and disabled have been found unfit for work by there doctors or hospital consultants then have some one at ATOS or a pen pusher at the DWP decide they are fit for work and what you are forgetting is that almost 50% of those found fit for work go on to appeal in front of a judge and doctor and win there case .
RINGER . . these tests consist of being able to tap a keyboard with one finger or hold a pen how does that prove anything and .what you don't seem to realise is that these sick and disabled have been found unfit for work by there doctors or hospital consultants then have some one at ATOS or a pen pusher at the DWP decide they are fit for work and what you are forgetting is that almost 50% of those found fit for work go on to appeal in front of a judge and doctor and win there case . lisers

7:38am Tue 7 Jan 14

Ringer says...

lisers wrote:
RINGER . . these tests consist of being able to tap a keyboard with one finger or hold a pen how does that prove anything and .what you don't seem to realise is that these sick and disabled have been found unfit for work by there doctors or hospital consultants then have some one at ATOS or a pen pusher at the DWP decide they are fit for work and what you are forgetting is that almost 50% of those found fit for work go on to appeal in front of a judge and doctor and win there case .
And, so, 50% DON''T win their appeal... which means half of them, at least, have been trying it on.
[quote][p][bold]lisers[/bold] wrote: RINGER . . these tests consist of being able to tap a keyboard with one finger or hold a pen how does that prove anything and .what you don't seem to realise is that these sick and disabled have been found unfit for work by there doctors or hospital consultants then have some one at ATOS or a pen pusher at the DWP decide they are fit for work and what you are forgetting is that almost 50% of those found fit for work go on to appeal in front of a judge and doctor and win there case .[/p][/quote]And, so, 50% DON''T win their appeal... which means half of them, at least, have been trying it on. Ringer

3:51pm Tue 7 Jan 14

candid friend says...

Another problem from the Tory infiltration into day to day management is that individual councilors are describing themselves as "The Pooh Bah" of development and meeting developers on their own.
This is dangerous! Councillors in other councils' have gone to prison for corruption where a similar situation existed.
My feeling is that the Tories let corruption into the management of the Borough, the evidence of that is in the disgusting Wi-Fi affair.
The Councillor and Officer roles need to be delineated again to avoid further damage to the reputation of local government in the area.
This is even more important now that Swindon is a Unitary Authority, and the protection against corruption offered by the two-tier system has been removed.
It
Another problem from the Tory infiltration into day to day management is that individual councilors are describing themselves as "The Pooh Bah" of development and meeting developers on their own. This is dangerous! Councillors in other councils' have gone to prison for corruption where a similar situation existed. My feeling is that the Tories let corruption into the management of the Borough, the evidence of that is in the disgusting Wi-Fi affair. The Councillor and Officer roles need to be delineated again to avoid further damage to the reputation of local government in the area. This is even more important now that Swindon is a Unitary Authority, and the protection against corruption offered by the two-tier system has been removed. It candid friend

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