North Wiltshire MP calls for scrapping of EU security policy

This Is Wiltshire: MP James Gray MP James Gray

North Wiltshire MP James Gray has asked the Government to take steps towards abolishing the European Union's Common Security and Defence Policy (CSDP).

"I welcome much of the language used by the Prime Minister at the time of the recent European Council meeting indicating UK's opposition to a move towards European stand-alone defence capabilities of any kind," said Mr Gray during an Urgent Question in the House of Commons yesterday.

"I also very much share the scepticism voiced particularly by Gisela Stuart MP as to whether this is for real. Surely if defence and foreign affairs are the primary and exclusive role of nation states, then now is the time to start moving towards abolishing the CSDP."

Earlier today, Mr Gray added: "The key question is whether or not the CSDP makes any useful contribution to the defence of the Realm, or of the European continent. It is my firm belief that despite the 34 missions undertaken under the CSDP, it really makes no such contribution."

"The missions were all either very minor or could easily have been fulfilled by one or more member states independently. If any recent operation could perhaps have been conducted by the EU acting jointly, it would have been Op Ellamy in Libya, which of course was a joint Franco-British-US effort – a true coalition of the willing."

"It is very hard to imagine that any of the military operations which might theoretically be required in the near future – Syria, Iran for example – could conceivably be conducted by an EU force rather than similar coalitions of the willing."

"Any ongoing enthusiasm for the CSDP will not only continue to undermine the role of NATO, but also increase the risk US withdrawal from European, Middle Eastern and even African defence. Therefore, rather than praising CSDP's questionable contribution to our defence, we really ought to start taking steps towards abolishing it."

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7:38am Thu 9 Jan 14

Allan Whitehead says...

I do not often agree with Conservative politicians, however, in this particular item (Common Security and Defence Policy) I certainly agree. In fact, many others from all political backgrounds will welcome any item of business that removes any influence from the EU over the United Kingdom.
The sooner we return to being a self-governing sovereign country the better off we will be.
I do not often agree with Conservative politicians, however, in this particular item (Common Security and Defence Policy) I certainly agree. In fact, many others from all political backgrounds will welcome any item of business that removes any influence from the EU over the United Kingdom. The sooner we return to being a self-governing sovereign country the better off we will be. Allan Whitehead

8:13pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Moonraker47 says...

@Allan Whitehead, well said Allan i do agree wth you entirely, just think a E.U. army no thanks.,lets just stick with the U.S.A. Austrailia Canada and N.Z., we are giong to be in need of some serious fire power backup if P .M.Camoron cuts our armed forces. to a majority of reservists
@Allan Whitehead, well said Allan i do agree wth you entirely, just think a E.U. army no thanks.,lets just stick with the U.S.A. Austrailia Canada and N.Z., we are giong to be in need of some serious fire power backup if P .M.Camoron cuts our armed forces. to a majority of reservists Moonraker47

3:22pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Harry_Collier says...

James Gray is a twit;. "Every nation in Europe doing its own thing militarily" brought us hundreds of years of in-fighting and millions and millions of dead; the 100 years war. The 7 years war. The Crimean war. The Franco-Prussian war. The Austro-Prussian war. The 30 years war. The Napoleonic wars. The First world war. The Second world war. The list goes on an on. The EU was formed after 1945 mainly to try to ensure that, via integration, there would be no more wars between the European states. But there are always those -- too often British, alas -- for whom the past is but a vague memory while sleeping at school through history lessons. And people such as James Gray, dying to turn the clock back to some mythical golden past when the British Empire was the envy of the world.
James Gray is a twit;. "Every nation in Europe doing its own thing militarily" brought us hundreds of years of in-fighting and millions and millions of dead; the 100 years war. The 7 years war. The Crimean war. The Franco-Prussian war. The Austro-Prussian war. The 30 years war. The Napoleonic wars. The First world war. The Second world war. The list goes on an on. The EU was formed after 1945 mainly to try to ensure that, via integration, there would be no more wars between the European states. But there are always those -- too often British, alas -- for whom the past is but a vague memory while sleeping at school through history lessons. And people such as James Gray, dying to turn the clock back to some mythical golden past when the British Empire was the envy of the world. Harry_Collier

3:27pm Sat 11 Jan 14

kimcrawley says...

Spot on Harry Collier,
This is a man who thinks we need to cut benefits by £25 billion and yet spend more than £50 billion on a nuclear deterrent we will never use.
He is just a joke. as well as an adulterer who thinks he can lecture the rest of us on morality.
What about the £140 billion we gave to the Banks? When are the banks and their overpaid Directors going to pay up for the mess they made?
Or is that Labour's fault as well, didn't Gray and his cronies complain that the banks were over regulated. The fantasy world that these people live in is slowly crumbling into a mountain of debt so large that no amount of benefit cuts will ever cover the mess that him and his friends made.
Their analysis of anything is so skewed to screwing the poor and lining their own pockets that they become more and more ridiculous with the passage of time.
Spot on Harry Collier, This is a man who thinks we need to cut benefits by £25 billion and yet spend more than £50 billion on a nuclear deterrent we will never use. He is just a joke. as well as an adulterer who thinks he can lecture the rest of us on morality. What about the £140 billion we gave to the Banks? When are the banks and their overpaid Directors going to pay up for the mess they made? Or is that Labour's fault as well, didn't Gray and his cronies complain that the banks were over regulated. The fantasy world that these people live in is slowly crumbling into a mountain of debt so large that no amount of benefit cuts will ever cover the mess that him and his friends made. Their analysis of anything is so skewed to screwing the poor and lining their own pockets that they become more and more ridiculous with the passage of time. kimcrawley

8:40pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Moonraker47 says...

@Kimcrawley,i thought we were commenting onthe E.U. security & defence policy (c.s.d.p.) not Mr. Grays private live i am no fan of his by any means just happen to think that he has got this one right and i did not know the E.U.was formed to prevent future warsseems to me it is just a legal take over by immigration it will bring our once great country to a end.
When we do get a chance to vote on the E.U. referedum or should it be IF we get a chance i shall vote for U.K.I.P.as will many thousands more.
@Kimcrawley,i thought we were commenting onthe E.U. security & defence policy (c.s.d.p.) not Mr. Grays private live i am no fan of his by any means just happen to think that he has got this one right and i did not know the E.U.was formed to prevent future warsseems to me it is just a legal take over by immigration it will bring our once great country to a end. When we do get a chance to vote on the E.U. referedum or should it be IF we get a chance i shall vote for U.K.I.P.as will many thousands more. Moonraker47

3:45pm Sun 12 Jan 14

kimcrawley says...

The EU is not going to give the US £50 billion for Trident successor systems.
We are!
The EU is not going to give the US £50 billion for Trident successor systems. We are! kimcrawley

9:43pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Allan Whitehead says...

Moonraker47 wrote:
@Kimcrawley,i thought we were commenting onthe E.U. security & defence policy (c.s.d.p.) not Mr. Grays private live i am no fan of his by any means just happen to think that he has got this one right and i did not know the E.U.was formed to prevent future warsseems to me it is just a legal take over by immigration it will bring our once great country to a end.
When we do get a chance to vote on the E.U. referedum or should it be IF we get a chance i shall vote for U.K.I.P.as will many thousands more.
Moonraker47
That is the trouble with people who contribute to these columns. They wander from one thing to another. Instead I of sticking with the original comments.
[quote][p][bold]Moonraker47[/bold] wrote: @Kimcrawley,i thought we were commenting onthe E.U. security & defence policy (c.s.d.p.) not Mr. Grays private live i am no fan of his by any means just happen to think that he has got this one right and i did not know the E.U.was formed to prevent future warsseems to me it is just a legal take over by immigration it will bring our once great country to a end. When we do get a chance to vote on the E.U. referedum or should it be IF we get a chance i shall vote for U.K.I.P.as will many thousands more.[/p][/quote]Moonraker47 That is the trouble with people who contribute to these columns. They wander from one thing to another. Instead I of sticking with the original comments. Allan Whitehead

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