Facebook drinking game is just crazy

This Is Wiltshire: Clive Loveday, whose son Matthew died playing a drinking game Clive Loveday, whose son Matthew died playing a drinking game

CLIVE Loveday, who lost his teenage son to alcohol poisoning after a drinking game went wrong, has condemned an internet drinking craze which has been linked to two deaths in the UK.

Neknomination, which has littered Facebook users’ news feeds in the past fortnight, involves participants filming themselves as they fill a glass with alcohol and down it before nominating friends to follow suit in their own videos.

Two men who died at the weekend in London and Cardiff are said to have taken part in the craze in the hours leading up to their deaths, as health warnings and opposition to the game gather momentum.

Clive, a 57-year-old postman of Hythe Road, has been hosting presentations in schools for nine years after his son Matthew died on New Year’s Eve 2005 when a drinking game went wrong.

The former Commonweal School pupil was aged 19 when he died from alcohol poisoning. His father has hit out at those who participate in the game.

He said: “You get the peer pressure from other friends for them to do it. On top of that, sometimes with the computers in their bedrooms, there is no one to stop them or give them advice.

“I can accept a pint of lager is doable, but there are no barriers to some of these videos.”

Across the internet there have been reports of pints of straight gin being sunk, along with live goldfish and car oil.

However, Clive has said a ban on the craze would not bring it to an end.

“They need to crank what they’re drinking down because if you try to stop it completely you will give them something to rebel against. These people don’t understand the power of alcohol.

“When you combine their age with the glamour of the mixed drink, the colour of vodka with an orange juice, it leads to trouble.

“There’s an edge of competitiveness to it because that goes back to the peer pressure. They all want to prove they can drink more than each other.”

One Swindon man, who chose to remain anonymous, took part in the game with a cider, jagermeister, egg, mustard, pickle, tomato juice and pepper concoction. He said: “As soon as I was nominated, I had a couple of texts through from my mates letting me know and I think that’s the main reason that it’s so popular, because it can be seen by all of your mates.

“There’s certainly an added pressure not to let the side down too. I didn’t think of any risks involved because I don’t think there are many at all, if it’s done with the amount of alcohol in mind, it becomes stupid when you see lads drinking two litres of straight vodka.

“Apart from that, I think it’s a bit of a laugh with your mates.”

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8:06am Tue 11 Feb 14

swindondad says...

I do not think we can blame Facebook or the Internet for these tragic accidents.

Youngsters (more so men in the past) have been playing “stupid” drinking games for generations. I recall banging down a fire bucket on a bar in Torpoint and ordering “8 pints of larger” on a “bucket and left handed party” whilst in the RN back in the 80’s, my father has told be of the drinking games they played on the troop ship coming home from Korea.

The one big negative difference is that people are playing these games whilst on their own whereas in the past you were likely to have at least one “soberish” mate looking out for you.

It is not “big” and it is not “cleaver” but for many (myself included) it was a part of growing up. For those who will take part in these sorts of games can I suggest that you have a “designated companion” in the same way as you have a “designated driver”.

By all means walk the high wire but not without a safety net.
I do not think we can blame Facebook or the Internet for these tragic accidents. Youngsters (more so men in the past) have been playing “stupid” drinking games for generations. I recall banging down a fire bucket on a bar in Torpoint and ordering “8 pints of larger” on a “bucket and left handed party” whilst in the RN back in the 80’s, my father has told be of the drinking games they played on the troop ship coming home from Korea. The one big negative difference is that people are playing these games whilst on their own whereas in the past you were likely to have at least one “soberish” mate looking out for you. It is not “big” and it is not “cleaver” but for many (myself included) it was a part of growing up. For those who will take part in these sorts of games can I suggest that you have a “designated companion” in the same way as you have a “designated driver”. By all means walk the high wire but not without a safety net. swindondad

8:23am Tue 11 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

Completely agree with the above post, this kind of thing (and much worse) has been going on for many decades prior to the Internet even being invented.

As with a number of other things at the moment, parents (especially) would rather take the easy option and blame the 'Internet' than take a cold, hard look at why their children are doing the things they're doing.
Completely agree with the above post, this kind of thing (and much worse) has been going on for many decades prior to the Internet even being invented. As with a number of other things at the moment, parents (especially) would rather take the easy option and blame the 'Internet' than take a cold, hard look at why their children are doing the things they're doing. ChannelX

8:30am Tue 11 Feb 14

house on the hill says...

ChannelX wrote:
Completely agree with the above post, this kind of thing (and much worse) has been going on for many decades prior to the Internet even being invented.

As with a number of other things at the moment, parents (especially) would rather take the easy option and blame the 'Internet' than take a cold, hard look at why their children are doing the things they're doing.
Not sure you can blame the parents, advertising and peer pressure are the 2 main reasons why these sort of stupid things go on, to prove you are a "man". Youngsters feel left out if they are not part of the "fun" and are just drawn into it. As with everything in life you have your freedoms and you makes your choices, which you then have to live with or not as the case may be. As with the smoking debate yesterday, its up to you how you choose to live your life, they are way too many who like to blame others when it goes wrong or have endless excuses. This sort of thing will never stop.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Completely agree with the above post, this kind of thing (and much worse) has been going on for many decades prior to the Internet even being invented. As with a number of other things at the moment, parents (especially) would rather take the easy option and blame the 'Internet' than take a cold, hard look at why their children are doing the things they're doing.[/p][/quote]Not sure you can blame the parents, advertising and peer pressure are the 2 main reasons why these sort of stupid things go on, to prove you are a "man". Youngsters feel left out if they are not part of the "fun" and are just drawn into it. As with everything in life you have your freedoms and you makes your choices, which you then have to live with or not as the case may be. As with the smoking debate yesterday, its up to you how you choose to live your life, they are way too many who like to blame others when it goes wrong or have endless excuses. This sort of thing will never stop. house on the hill

8:46am Tue 11 Feb 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

Alcohol kills.....I am shocked!
Alcohol kills.....I am shocked! A.Baron-Cohen

9:08am Tue 11 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

house on the hill wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Completely agree with the above post, this kind of thing (and much worse) has been going on for many decades prior to the Internet even being invented.

As with a number of other things at the moment, parents (especially) would rather take the easy option and blame the 'Internet' than take a cold, hard look at why their children are doing the things they're doing.
Not sure you can blame the parents, advertising and peer pressure are the 2 main reasons why these sort of stupid things go on, to prove you are a "man". Youngsters feel left out if they are not part of the "fun" and are just drawn into it. As with everything in life you have your freedoms and you makes your choices, which you then have to live with or not as the case may be. As with the smoking debate yesterday, its up to you how you choose to live your life, they are way too many who like to blame others when it goes wrong or have endless excuses. This sort of thing will never stop.
Where did I say the parents are to blame?

Although, if your child feels the need to 'prove they're a man' and feel 'part of the fun' of such things, who do you think is largely responsible for creating such needy individuals with low self-esteem?

Parents will *always* seek to blame other things, especially wide targets, for their children's behaviour. When you really think about it, blaming 'Facebook' for the Neknomination craze is laughable.

If you want to blame anything, it'd be mobile phones with video cameras. Without them, the game couldn't really even exist.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Completely agree with the above post, this kind of thing (and much worse) has been going on for many decades prior to the Internet even being invented. As with a number of other things at the moment, parents (especially) would rather take the easy option and blame the 'Internet' than take a cold, hard look at why their children are doing the things they're doing.[/p][/quote]Not sure you can blame the parents, advertising and peer pressure are the 2 main reasons why these sort of stupid things go on, to prove you are a "man". Youngsters feel left out if they are not part of the "fun" and are just drawn into it. As with everything in life you have your freedoms and you makes your choices, which you then have to live with or not as the case may be. As with the smoking debate yesterday, its up to you how you choose to live your life, they are way too many who like to blame others when it goes wrong or have endless excuses. This sort of thing will never stop.[/p][/quote]Where did I say the parents are to blame? Although, if your child feels the need to 'prove they're a man' and feel 'part of the fun' of such things, who do you think is largely responsible for creating such needy individuals with low self-esteem? Parents will *always* seek to blame other things, especially wide targets, for their children's behaviour. When you really think about it, blaming 'Facebook' for the Neknomination craze is laughable. If you want to blame anything, it'd be mobile phones with video cameras. Without them, the game couldn't really even exist. ChannelX

10:36am Tue 11 Feb 14

umpcah says...

ChannelX wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Completely agree with the above post, this kind of thing (and much worse) has been going on for many decades prior to the Internet even being invented.

As with a number of other things at the moment, parents (especially) would rather take the easy option and blame the 'Internet' than take a cold, hard look at why their children are doing the things they're doing.
Not sure you can blame the parents, advertising and peer pressure are the 2 main reasons why these sort of stupid things go on, to prove you are a "man". Youngsters feel left out if they are not part of the "fun" and are just drawn into it. As with everything in life you have your freedoms and you makes your choices, which you then have to live with or not as the case may be. As with the smoking debate yesterday, its up to you how you choose to live your life, they are way too many who like to blame others when it goes wrong or have endless excuses. This sort of thing will never stop.
Where did I say the parents are to blame?

Although, if your child feels the need to 'prove they're a man' and feel 'part of the fun' of such things, who do you think is largely responsible for creating such needy individuals with low self-esteem?

Parents will *always* seek to blame other things, especially wide targets, for their children's behaviour. When you really think about it, blaming 'Facebook' for the Neknomination craze is laughable.

If you want to blame anything, it'd be mobile phones with video cameras. Without them, the game couldn't really even exist.
I remember youths challenging each other to drink the other under the table with the loser paying ! Choking on vomit was common and often fatalities were narrowly avoided. The winners were considered macho ! What rubbish !
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Completely agree with the above post, this kind of thing (and much worse) has been going on for many decades prior to the Internet even being invented. As with a number of other things at the moment, parents (especially) would rather take the easy option and blame the 'Internet' than take a cold, hard look at why their children are doing the things they're doing.[/p][/quote]Not sure you can blame the parents, advertising and peer pressure are the 2 main reasons why these sort of stupid things go on, to prove you are a "man". Youngsters feel left out if they are not part of the "fun" and are just drawn into it. As with everything in life you have your freedoms and you makes your choices, which you then have to live with or not as the case may be. As with the smoking debate yesterday, its up to you how you choose to live your life, they are way too many who like to blame others when it goes wrong or have endless excuses. This sort of thing will never stop.[/p][/quote]Where did I say the parents are to blame? Although, if your child feels the need to 'prove they're a man' and feel 'part of the fun' of such things, who do you think is largely responsible for creating such needy individuals with low self-esteem? Parents will *always* seek to blame other things, especially wide targets, for their children's behaviour. When you really think about it, blaming 'Facebook' for the Neknomination craze is laughable. If you want to blame anything, it'd be mobile phones with video cameras. Without them, the game couldn't really even exist.[/p][/quote]I remember youths challenging each other to drink the other under the table with the loser paying ! Choking on vomit was common and often fatalities were narrowly avoided. The winners were considered macho ! What rubbish ! umpcah

10:48am Tue 11 Feb 14

Wildwestener says...

People have always been draft with drink; difference is nowadays that it is relatively cheaper than it has been to buy to drink at home and then after pre-loading they can go out to bars till 6am in morning in some instances. It's insane. As for people saying its parents fault, really? You tell me how you stop a 18 yo going out when and how they like. The only real option is to throw them out of your home which is not really a sane option.
People have always been draft with drink; difference is nowadays that it is relatively cheaper than it has been to buy to drink at home and then after pre-loading they can go out to bars till 6am in morning in some instances. It's insane. As for people saying its parents fault, really? You tell me how you stop a 18 yo going out when and how they like. The only real option is to throw them out of your home which is not really a sane option. Wildwestener

11:20am Tue 11 Feb 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

Wildwestener wrote:
People have always been draft with drink; difference is nowadays that it is relatively cheaper than it has been to buy to drink at home and then after pre-loading they can go out to bars till 6am in morning in some instances. It's insane. As for people saying its parents fault, really? You tell me how you stop a 18 yo going out when and how they like. The only real option is to throw them out of your home which is not really a sane option.
Send the kids do a couple years National service, should put some sense in their heads.
[quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: People have always been draft with drink; difference is nowadays that it is relatively cheaper than it has been to buy to drink at home and then after pre-loading they can go out to bars till 6am in morning in some instances. It's insane. As for people saying its parents fault, really? You tell me how you stop a 18 yo going out when and how they like. The only real option is to throw them out of your home which is not really a sane option.[/p][/quote]Send the kids do a couple years National service, should put some sense in their heads. A.Baron-Cohen

11:47am Tue 11 Feb 14

benzss says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
People have always been draft with drink; difference is nowadays that it is relatively cheaper than it has been to buy to drink at home and then after pre-loading they can go out to bars till 6am in morning in some instances. It's insane. As for people saying its parents fault, really? You tell me how you stop a 18 yo going out when and how they like. The only real option is to throw them out of your home which is not really a sane option.
Send the kids do a couple years National service, should put some sense in their heads.
I'm guessing you're old enough to be exempted
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: People have always been draft with drink; difference is nowadays that it is relatively cheaper than it has been to buy to drink at home and then after pre-loading they can go out to bars till 6am in morning in some instances. It's insane. As for people saying its parents fault, really? You tell me how you stop a 18 yo going out when and how they like. The only real option is to throw them out of your home which is not really a sane option.[/p][/quote]Send the kids do a couple years National service, should put some sense in their heads.[/p][/quote]I'm guessing you're old enough to be exempted benzss

11:49am Tue 11 Feb 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

benzss wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
People have always been draft with drink; difference is nowadays that it is relatively cheaper than it has been to buy to drink at home and then after pre-loading they can go out to bars till 6am in morning in some instances. It's insane. As for people saying its parents fault, really? You tell me how you stop a 18 yo going out when and how they like. The only real option is to throw them out of your home which is not really a sane option.
Send the kids do a couple years National service, should put some sense in their heads.
I'm guessing you're old enough to be exempted
you would not even pass the fitness selection....
[quote][p][bold]benzss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: People have always been draft with drink; difference is nowadays that it is relatively cheaper than it has been to buy to drink at home and then after pre-loading they can go out to bars till 6am in morning in some instances. It's insane. As for people saying its parents fault, really? You tell me how you stop a 18 yo going out when and how they like. The only real option is to throw them out of your home which is not really a sane option.[/p][/quote]Send the kids do a couple years National service, should put some sense in their heads.[/p][/quote]I'm guessing you're old enough to be exempted[/p][/quote]you would not even pass the fitness selection.... A.Baron-Cohen

11:52am Tue 11 Feb 14

benzss says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
benzss wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
People have always been draft with drink; difference is nowadays that it is relatively cheaper than it has been to buy to drink at home and then after pre-loading they can go out to bars till 6am in morning in some instances. It's insane. As for people saying its parents fault, really? You tell me how you stop a 18 yo going out when and how they like. The only real option is to throw them out of your home which is not really a sane option.
Send the kids do a couple years National service, should put some sense in their heads.
I'm guessing you're old enough to be exempted
you would not even pass the fitness selection....
Unfortunately I'd probably be accepted.

All the more reason to think national service is a stupid idea.
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]benzss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: People have always been draft with drink; difference is nowadays that it is relatively cheaper than it has been to buy to drink at home and then after pre-loading they can go out to bars till 6am in morning in some instances. It's insane. As for people saying its parents fault, really? You tell me how you stop a 18 yo going out when and how they like. The only real option is to throw them out of your home which is not really a sane option.[/p][/quote]Send the kids do a couple years National service, should put some sense in their heads.[/p][/quote]I'm guessing you're old enough to be exempted[/p][/quote]you would not even pass the fitness selection....[/p][/quote]Unfortunately I'd probably be accepted. All the more reason to think national service is a stupid idea. benzss

12:05pm Tue 11 Feb 14

EmmBee says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
People have always been draft with drink; difference is nowadays that it is relatively cheaper than it has been to buy to drink at home and then after pre-loading they can go out to bars till 6am in morning in some instances. It's insane. As for people saying its parents fault, really? You tell me how you stop a 18 yo going out when and how they like. The only real option is to throw them out of your home which is not really a sane option.
Send the kids do a couple years National service, should put some sense in their heads.
If you'd ever seen squaddies out on the booze you'd know how silly that suggestion is!
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: People have always been draft with drink; difference is nowadays that it is relatively cheaper than it has been to buy to drink at home and then after pre-loading they can go out to bars till 6am in morning in some instances. It's insane. As for people saying its parents fault, really? You tell me how you stop a 18 yo going out when and how they like. The only real option is to throw them out of your home which is not really a sane option.[/p][/quote]Send the kids do a couple years National service, should put some sense in their heads.[/p][/quote]If you'd ever seen squaddies out on the booze you'd know how silly that suggestion is! EmmBee

12:19pm Tue 11 Feb 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

benzss wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
benzss wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
People have always been draft with drink; difference is nowadays that it is relatively cheaper than it has been to buy to drink at home and then after pre-loading they can go out to bars till 6am in morning in some instances. It's insane. As for people saying its parents fault, really? You tell me how you stop a 18 yo going out when and how they like. The only real option is to throw them out of your home which is not really a sane option.
Send the kids do a couple years National service, should put some sense in their heads.
I'm guessing you're old enough to be exempted
you would not even pass the fitness selection....
Unfortunately I'd probably be accepted.

All the more reason to think national service is a stupid idea.
The Swiss got it right :-)
[quote][p][bold]benzss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]benzss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: People have always been draft with drink; difference is nowadays that it is relatively cheaper than it has been to buy to drink at home and then after pre-loading they can go out to bars till 6am in morning in some instances. It's insane. As for people saying its parents fault, really? You tell me how you stop a 18 yo going out when and how they like. The only real option is to throw them out of your home which is not really a sane option.[/p][/quote]Send the kids do a couple years National service, should put some sense in their heads.[/p][/quote]I'm guessing you're old enough to be exempted[/p][/quote]you would not even pass the fitness selection....[/p][/quote]Unfortunately I'd probably be accepted. All the more reason to think national service is a stupid idea.[/p][/quote]The Swiss got it right :-) A.Baron-Cohen

12:20pm Tue 11 Feb 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

EmmBee wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
People have always been draft with drink; difference is nowadays that it is relatively cheaper than it has been to buy to drink at home and then after pre-loading they can go out to bars till 6am in morning in some instances. It's insane. As for people saying its parents fault, really? You tell me how you stop a 18 yo going out when and how they like. The only real option is to throw them out of your home which is not really a sane option.
Send the kids do a couple years National service, should put some sense in their heads.
If you'd ever seen squaddies out on the booze you'd know how silly that suggestion is!
You should see MPs, it is worth a special mention
[quote][p][bold]EmmBee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: People have always been draft with drink; difference is nowadays that it is relatively cheaper than it has been to buy to drink at home and then after pre-loading they can go out to bars till 6am in morning in some instances. It's insane. As for people saying its parents fault, really? You tell me how you stop a 18 yo going out when and how they like. The only real option is to throw them out of your home which is not really a sane option.[/p][/quote]Send the kids do a couple years National service, should put some sense in their heads.[/p][/quote]If you'd ever seen squaddies out on the booze you'd know how silly that suggestion is![/p][/quote]You should see MPs, it is worth a special mention A.Baron-Cohen

12:47pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Hmmmf says...

A.B-C wrote:
The Swiss got it right :-)

Yup, democracy in action. Guess you won't be visiting Zurich any time soon without a valid visa.
[quote][p][bold]A.B-C[/bold] wrote: The Swiss got it right :-)[/quote] Yup, democracy in action. Guess you won't be visiting Zurich any time soon without a valid visa. Hmmmf

12:58pm Tue 11 Feb 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

Hmmmf wrote:
A.B-C wrote:
The Swiss got it right :-)

Yup, democracy in action. Guess you won't be visiting Zurich any time soon without a valid visa.
You need to get out more, there is no visa restriction for EU tourists there.
It is a lovely place by the way, but again I doubt you could ever afford the trip there, so stick to the costa blanca amigo LOL
[quote][p][bold]Hmmmf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.B-C[/bold] wrote: The Swiss got it right :-)[/quote] Yup, democracy in action. Guess you won't be visiting Zurich any time soon without a valid visa.[/p][/quote]You need to get out more, there is no visa restriction for EU tourists there. It is a lovely place by the way, but again I doubt you could ever afford the trip there, so stick to the costa blanca amigo LOL A.Baron-Cohen

1:11pm Tue 11 Feb 14

DLP OldTown says...

Unfortunately some of the youth of today are like sheep, one does something and they all follow, each trying to 'outdo' the other. I don't think it will ever stop but it is only a small percentage and most young people are level headed and we should not tar them all with the same brush! DON'T BE A SHEEP.
Unfortunately some of the youth of today are like sheep, one does something and they all follow, each trying to 'outdo' the other. I don't think it will ever stop but it is only a small percentage and most young people are level headed and we should not tar them all with the same brush! DON'T BE A SHEEP. DLP OldTown

1:25pm Tue 11 Feb 14

house on the hill says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Alcohol kills.....I am shocked!
So does not breathing, you should try it!
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: Alcohol kills.....I am shocked![/p][/quote]So does not breathing, you should try it! house on the hill

1:27pm Tue 11 Feb 14

house on the hill says...

benzss wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
People have always been draft with drink; difference is nowadays that it is relatively cheaper than it has been to buy to drink at home and then after pre-loading they can go out to bars till 6am in morning in some instances. It's insane. As for people saying its parents fault, really? You tell me how you stop a 18 yo going out when and how they like. The only real option is to throw them out of your home which is not really a sane option.
Send the kids do a couple years National service, should put some sense in their heads.
I'm guessing you're old enough to be exempted
I would guess on mental health grounds.
[quote][p][bold]benzss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: People have always been draft with drink; difference is nowadays that it is relatively cheaper than it has been to buy to drink at home and then after pre-loading they can go out to bars till 6am in morning in some instances. It's insane. As for people saying its parents fault, really? You tell me how you stop a 18 yo going out when and how they like. The only real option is to throw them out of your home which is not really a sane option.[/p][/quote]Send the kids do a couple years National service, should put some sense in their heads.[/p][/quote]I'm guessing you're old enough to be exempted[/p][/quote]I would guess on mental health grounds. house on the hill

1:47pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Clarky2407 says...

Why can't people take responsibility for their own actions any more rather than trying to blame the internet or anybody else? If you drink a pint of spirits or whatever then you know its not going to end up well so if you make the choice then you take the consequences. People have played drinking games long before the internet was invented so if you are stupid enough to do these things then you have to live with yourself. Stop blaming other people.
Why can't people take responsibility for their own actions any more rather than trying to blame the internet or anybody else? If you drink a pint of spirits or whatever then you know its not going to end up well so if you make the choice then you take the consequences. People have played drinking games long before the internet was invented so if you are stupid enough to do these things then you have to live with yourself. Stop blaming other people. Clarky2407

2:13pm Tue 11 Feb 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

house on the hill wrote:
benzss wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
People have always been draft with drink; difference is nowadays that it is relatively cheaper than it has been to buy to drink at home and then after pre-loading they can go out to bars till 6am in morning in some instances. It's insane. As for people saying its parents fault, really? You tell me how you stop a 18 yo going out when and how they like. The only real option is to throw them out of your home which is not really a sane option.
Send the kids do a couple years National service, should put some sense in their heads.
I'm guessing you're old enough to be exempted
I would guess on mental health grounds.
Because it is easier to blame others, and there are plenty of issues that we are solving this way ask UKIP
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]benzss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: People have always been draft with drink; difference is nowadays that it is relatively cheaper than it has been to buy to drink at home and then after pre-loading they can go out to bars till 6am in morning in some instances. It's insane. As for people saying its parents fault, really? You tell me how you stop a 18 yo going out when and how they like. The only real option is to throw them out of your home which is not really a sane option.[/p][/quote]Send the kids do a couple years National service, should put some sense in their heads.[/p][/quote]I'm guessing you're old enough to be exempted[/p][/quote]I would guess on mental health grounds.[/p][/quote]Because it is easier to blame others, and there are plenty of issues that we are solving this way ask UKIP A.Baron-Cohen

2:15pm Tue 11 Feb 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

house on the hill wrote:
benzss wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
People have always been draft with drink; difference is nowadays that it is relatively cheaper than it has been to buy to drink at home and then after pre-loading they can go out to bars till 6am in morning in some instances. It's insane. As for people saying its parents fault, really? You tell me how you stop a 18 yo going out when and how they like. The only real option is to throw them out of your home which is not really a sane option.
Send the kids do a couple years National service, should put some sense in their heads.
I'm guessing you're old enough to be exempted
I would guess on mental health grounds.
excellent, a great school playground insult :-) I am so touched LOL
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]benzss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: People have always been draft with drink; difference is nowadays that it is relatively cheaper than it has been to buy to drink at home and then after pre-loading they can go out to bars till 6am in morning in some instances. It's insane. As for people saying its parents fault, really? You tell me how you stop a 18 yo going out when and how they like. The only real option is to throw them out of your home which is not really a sane option.[/p][/quote]Send the kids do a couple years National service, should put some sense in their heads.[/p][/quote]I'm guessing you're old enough to be exempted[/p][/quote]I would guess on mental health grounds.[/p][/quote]excellent, a great school playground insult :-) I am so touched LOL A.Baron-Cohen

2:17pm Tue 11 Feb 14

benzss says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
benzss wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
People have always been draft with drink; difference is nowadays that it is relatively cheaper than it has been to buy to drink at home and then after pre-loading they can go out to bars till 6am in morning in some instances. It's insane. As for people saying its parents fault, really? You tell me how you stop a 18 yo going out when and how they like. The only real option is to throw them out of your home which is not really a sane option.
Send the kids do a couple years National service, should put some sense in their heads.
I'm guessing you're old enough to be exempted
I would guess on mental health grounds.
excellent, a great school playground insult :-) I am so touched LOL
Well you did call me fat, so..
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]benzss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: People have always been draft with drink; difference is nowadays that it is relatively cheaper than it has been to buy to drink at home and then after pre-loading they can go out to bars till 6am in morning in some instances. It's insane. As for people saying its parents fault, really? You tell me how you stop a 18 yo going out when and how they like. The only real option is to throw them out of your home which is not really a sane option.[/p][/quote]Send the kids do a couple years National service, should put some sense in their heads.[/p][/quote]I'm guessing you're old enough to be exempted[/p][/quote]I would guess on mental health grounds.[/p][/quote]excellent, a great school playground insult :-) I am so touched LOL[/p][/quote]Well you did call me fat, so.. benzss

2:59pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Hmmmf says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Hmmmf wrote:
A.B-C wrote:
The Swiss got it right :-)

Yup, democracy in action. Guess you won't be visiting Zurich any time soon without a valid visa.
You need to get out more, there is no visa restriction for EU tourists there.
It is a lovely place by the way, but again I doubt you could ever afford the trip there, so stick to the costa blanca amigo LOL
Not yet there isn't, but following their recent vote to curtail free movement of EU immies, who knows. Zurich was a grey and boring city when I was last there, and very expensive, £15 for a haircut was steep in any language but the city was clean and the bus service was pretty good.
Did you have two Special K's for breakfast again this morning?
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hmmmf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.B-C[/bold] wrote: The Swiss got it right :-)[/quote] Yup, democracy in action. Guess you won't be visiting Zurich any time soon without a valid visa.[/p][/quote]You need to get out more, there is no visa restriction for EU tourists there. It is a lovely place by the way, but again I doubt you could ever afford the trip there, so stick to the costa blanca amigo LOL[/p][/quote]Not yet there isn't, but following their recent vote to curtail free movement of EU immies, who knows. Zurich was a grey and boring city when I was last there, and very expensive, £15 for a haircut was steep in any language but the city was clean and the bus service was pretty good. Did you have two Special K's for breakfast again this morning? Hmmmf

4:45pm Tue 11 Feb 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

Hmmmf wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Hmmmf wrote:
A.B-C wrote:
The Swiss got it right :-)

Yup, democracy in action. Guess you won't be visiting Zurich any time soon without a valid visa.
You need to get out more, there is no visa restriction for EU tourists there.
It is a lovely place by the way, but again I doubt you could ever afford the trip there, so stick to the costa blanca amigo LOL
Not yet there isn't, but following their recent vote to curtail free movement of EU immies, who knows. Zurich was a grey and boring city when I was last there, and very expensive, £15 for a haircut was steep in any language but the city was clean and the bus service was pretty good.
Did you have two Special K's for breakfast again this morning?
£15 is an expensive haircut?!? LOL
[quote][p][bold]Hmmmf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hmmmf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.B-C[/bold] wrote: The Swiss got it right :-)[/quote] Yup, democracy in action. Guess you won't be visiting Zurich any time soon without a valid visa.[/p][/quote]You need to get out more, there is no visa restriction for EU tourists there. It is a lovely place by the way, but again I doubt you could ever afford the trip there, so stick to the costa blanca amigo LOL[/p][/quote]Not yet there isn't, but following their recent vote to curtail free movement of EU immies, who knows. Zurich was a grey and boring city when I was last there, and very expensive, £15 for a haircut was steep in any language but the city was clean and the bus service was pretty good. Did you have two Special K's for breakfast again this morning?[/p][/quote]£15 is an expensive haircut?!? LOL A.Baron-Cohen

5:38pm Tue 11 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
benzss wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
People have always been draft with drink; difference is nowadays that it is relatively cheaper than it has been to buy to drink at home and then after pre-loading they can go out to bars till 6am in morning in some instances. It's insane. As for people saying its parents fault, really? You tell me how you stop a 18 yo going out when and how they like. The only real option is to throw them out of your home which is not really a sane option.
Send the kids do a couple years National service, should put some sense in their heads.
I'm guessing you're old enough to be exempted
I would guess on mental health grounds.
Because it is easier to blame others, and there are plenty of issues that we are solving this way ask UKIP
How can anyone blame anyone but immigrants for the majority of the UK's population growth over the past 15 years when immigrants are directly responsible for the majority of the UK's population growth over the past 15 years?

The truly bizarre aspect of this is that you know FULL WELL that's the case and yet immediately starting waffling on about UKIP, 'racism' and your usual taunts the moment anyone points out what is simply an established matter of fact.

Are you embarrassed about it, or something?
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]benzss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: People have always been draft with drink; difference is nowadays that it is relatively cheaper than it has been to buy to drink at home and then after pre-loading they can go out to bars till 6am in morning in some instances. It's insane. As for people saying its parents fault, really? You tell me how you stop a 18 yo going out when and how they like. The only real option is to throw them out of your home which is not really a sane option.[/p][/quote]Send the kids do a couple years National service, should put some sense in their heads.[/p][/quote]I'm guessing you're old enough to be exempted[/p][/quote]I would guess on mental health grounds.[/p][/quote]Because it is easier to blame others, and there are plenty of issues that we are solving this way ask UKIP[/p][/quote]How can anyone blame anyone but immigrants for the majority of the UK's population growth over the past 15 years when immigrants are directly responsible for the majority of the UK's population growth over the past 15 years? The truly bizarre aspect of this is that you know FULL WELL that's the case and yet immediately starting waffling on about UKIP, 'racism' and your usual taunts the moment anyone points out what is simply an established matter of fact. Are you embarrassed about it, or something? ChannelX

8:27am Wed 12 Feb 14

RichardR1 says...

Strange how some find it so easy to denigrate what is a serious concern. Blaming someone or something never brings a solution in these circumstances, neither frankly the argument that most generations did it in some way.
Strange how some find it so easy to denigrate what is a serious concern. Blaming someone or something never brings a solution in these circumstances, neither frankly the argument that most generations did it in some way. RichardR1

9:01am Wed 12 Feb 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

ChannelX wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
benzss wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
People have always been draft with drink; difference is nowadays that it is relatively cheaper than it has been to buy to drink at home and then after pre-loading they can go out to bars till 6am in morning in some instances. It's insane. As for people saying its parents fault, really? You tell me how you stop a 18 yo going out when and how they like. The only real option is to throw them out of your home which is not really a sane option.
Send the kids do a couple years National service, should put some sense in their heads.
I'm guessing you're old enough to be exempted
I would guess on mental health grounds.
Because it is easier to blame others, and there are plenty of issues that we are solving this way ask UKIP
How can anyone blame anyone but immigrants for the majority of the UK's population growth over the past 15 years when immigrants are directly responsible for the majority of the UK's population growth over the past 15 years?

The truly bizarre aspect of this is that you know FULL WELL that's the case and yet immediately starting waffling on about UKIP, 'racism' and your usual taunts the moment anyone points out what is simply an established matter of fact.

Are you embarrassed about it, or something?
No you are absolutely right, the immigrants are responsible of course for this new drinking craze, are you going to run for an election anytime soon? Vote UKIP guys!
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]benzss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: People have always been draft with drink; difference is nowadays that it is relatively cheaper than it has been to buy to drink at home and then after pre-loading they can go out to bars till 6am in morning in some instances. It's insane. As for people saying its parents fault, really? You tell me how you stop a 18 yo going out when and how they like. The only real option is to throw them out of your home which is not really a sane option.[/p][/quote]Send the kids do a couple years National service, should put some sense in their heads.[/p][/quote]I'm guessing you're old enough to be exempted[/p][/quote]I would guess on mental health grounds.[/p][/quote]Because it is easier to blame others, and there are plenty of issues that we are solving this way ask UKIP[/p][/quote]How can anyone blame anyone but immigrants for the majority of the UK's population growth over the past 15 years when immigrants are directly responsible for the majority of the UK's population growth over the past 15 years? The truly bizarre aspect of this is that you know FULL WELL that's the case and yet immediately starting waffling on about UKIP, 'racism' and your usual taunts the moment anyone points out what is simply an established matter of fact. Are you embarrassed about it, or something?[/p][/quote]No you are absolutely right, the immigrants are responsible of course for this new drinking craze, are you going to run for an election anytime soon? Vote UKIP guys! A.Baron-Cohen

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