Join in debate on vaccinations

This Is Wiltshire: Join in debate on vaccinations Join in debate on vaccinations

A new parents’ group is being established in Pewsey for families interested in natural health and who might be concerned about vaccinations.

The Pewsey Arnica Parents Support Group will hold its inaugural meeting on Tuesday, March 11 at 11am at Café Bark at Woodborough Garden Centre.

Arnica Support Groups were first set up in 2007 when a parent from Kingston Upon Thames was concerned about vaccinating her child and wanted support from local families who felt the same way. There are now over 75 groups nationwide.

The aim is to debate the issues around natural health and vaccinations, share experiences to make informed decisions.

The group is being founded by homeopath Andrea Dell, who works in Bath and Wiltshire but it’s hoped that parents will soon take over the running of the group.

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1:20pm Sun 2 Mar 14

Ruman Stimulant says...

Unbelievably irresponsible belief based on no evidence whatsoever. Are these parents really prepared to risk their children s health by buying in to this utter tosh. Next they will be advocating exorcism or consulting a witch doctor. Let those with the knowledge decide whether or not this is safe and keep our children healthy and not return to a time when debilitating childhood diseases were rife and a serious worry for all parents. Homeopathy, no thanks !
Unbelievably irresponsible belief based on no evidence whatsoever. Are these parents really prepared to risk their children s health by buying in to this utter tosh. Next they will be advocating exorcism or consulting a witch doctor. Let those with the knowledge decide whether or not this is safe and keep our children healthy and not return to a time when debilitating childhood diseases were rife and a serious worry for all parents. Homeopathy, no thanks ! Ruman Stimulant
  • Score: 15

3:13pm Sun 2 Mar 14

loosewoman says...

I used to go to a toddler group where a couple of the mums made a huge virtue of not vaccinating their children. One day, one of them walked in with her two small girls and announced that the younger one had German Measles, 'but it doesn't matter because none of you are pregnant'.
Fortunately, none of us were, although someone could easily have been in the early stages without having told anyone. Jaw-dropping irresponsibility by selfish people who think that because enough sensible people have their children vaccinated, it doesn't matter if they don't bother. I'd like to send these parents back in time a hundred years, or to Africa, where children are dying from diseases that can easily be vaccinated against like measles, polio and diptheria, so that they can see for themselves why it's so important to have every jab that's offered.
I used to go to a toddler group where a couple of the mums made a huge virtue of not vaccinating their children. One day, one of them walked in with her two small girls and announced that the younger one had German Measles, 'but it doesn't matter because none of you are pregnant'. Fortunately, none of us were, although someone could easily have been in the early stages without having told anyone. Jaw-dropping irresponsibility by selfish people who think that because enough sensible people have their children vaccinated, it doesn't matter if they don't bother. I'd like to send these parents back in time a hundred years, or to Africa, where children are dying from diseases that can easily be vaccinated against like measles, polio and diptheria, so that they can see for themselves why it's so important to have every jab that's offered. loosewoman
  • Score: 14

6:37am Mon 3 Mar 14

Judyelizabeth says...

People should be aware that it is not only adjuvants such as (thimerosal which is 50% mercury) still being used in flu vaccines, aluminium, formaldehyde and antibiotics whiich can cause problems for some children an adults but the fact that cell lines derived from tumours are in some cases the only cell substrate that can be used to propagate certain cell lines. Please read the FDA's own documents. Realise that there are no long term studies done on vaccines and the vaccine Safety data sheets clearly state they have never been tested for carcinogenicity. The FDA clearly states it has concerns about safety.
http://www.fda.gov/d
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Considerations Regarding the Use of Tumor-derived Cell Lines When tumorigenic cell lines were first considered for vaccine manufacture in 1998 and then proposed for vaccine manufacture in 2001, three major safety concerns were identified that needed to be addressed: 1) the presence of residual live cells in the vaccine that might have the potential of being tumorigenic in humans; 2) the presence of residual DNA from the cell substrate; and 3) the potential presence of adventitious agents, including adventitious viruses that might have contributed to the tumorigenic phenotype. These same concerns also apply to tumor–derived cell lines from human tumors …
People should be aware that it is not only adjuvants such as (thimerosal which is 50% mercury) still being used in flu vaccines, aluminium, formaldehyde and antibiotics whiich can cause problems for some children an adults but the fact that cell lines derived from tumours are in some cases the only cell substrate that can be used to propagate certain cell lines. Please read the FDA's own documents. Realise that there are no long term studies done on vaccines and the vaccine Safety data sheets clearly state they have never been tested for carcinogenicity. The FDA clearly states it has concerns about safety. http://www.fda.gov/d ownloads/AdvisoryCom mittees/CommitteesMe etingMaterials/Blood VaccinesandOtherBiol ogics/VaccinesandRel atedBiologicalProduc tsAdvisoryCommittee/ UCM319573.pdf Considerations Regarding the Use of Tumor-derived Cell Lines When tumorigenic cell lines were first considered for vaccine manufacture in 1998 and then proposed for vaccine manufacture in 2001, three major safety concerns were identified that needed to be addressed: 1) the presence of residual live cells in the vaccine that might have the potential of being tumorigenic in humans; 2) the presence of residual DNA from the cell substrate; and 3) the potential presence of adventitious agents, including adventitious viruses that might have contributed to the tumorigenic phenotype. These same concerns also apply to tumor–derived cell lines from human tumors … Judyelizabeth
  • Score: -11

11:17am Mon 3 Mar 14

Judyelizabeth says...

Ruman Stimulant's comment that people who do not vaccinate are unbelievable irresponsible shows his ignorance. Most people who do not vaccinate are well educated and do a massive amount of research.

It is known that cell lines from animals and aborted foetuses are used in vaccines to grow the bacteria and viruses and what is not often spoken about is that many of these are continuous cell lines aka cancerous. These must be filtered out but the process is not perfect. The amount of cancer in our society is constantly increasing. From the FDA's own papers:

http://www.fda.gov/b
iologicsbloodvacc...

"The use of tumorigenic and tumor-derived cells is a major safety concern due to the potential presence of viruses such as retroviruses and oncogenic DNA viruses that could be associated with tumorigencity, Therefore, detection of persistent, latent DNA viruses, and endogenous retroviruses in vaccine cell substrates is important for vaccine safety, particularly in the development of live viral vaccines, where there are no or minimal virus inactivation and removal steps during vaccine manufacturing."
Ruman Stimulant's comment that people who do not vaccinate are unbelievable irresponsible shows his ignorance. Most people who do not vaccinate are well educated and do a massive amount of research. It is known that cell lines from animals and aborted foetuses are used in vaccines to grow the bacteria and viruses and what is not often spoken about is that many of these are continuous cell lines aka cancerous. These must be filtered out but the process is not perfect. The amount of cancer in our society is constantly increasing. From the FDA's own papers: http://www.fda.gov/b iologicsbloodvacc... "The use of tumorigenic and tumor-derived cells is a major safety concern due to the potential presence of viruses such as retroviruses and oncogenic DNA viruses that could be associated with tumorigencity, Therefore, detection of persistent, latent DNA viruses, and endogenous retroviruses in vaccine cell substrates is important for vaccine safety, particularly in the development of live viral vaccines, where there are no or minimal virus inactivation and removal steps during vaccine manufacturing." Judyelizabeth
  • Score: -14

2:28pm Mon 3 Mar 14

kimcrawley says...

Spot on Ruman Stimulant !
Please recall the false science surrounding the MMR jab some years ago. It took time but the research claiming to link this vaccine with a whole range of conditions was exposed as bogus.
Now we have a homeopathic quack getting involved with something well beyond their sphere of expertise. Go and ask a chemist about the effects of dilution and the existence of 'traces' in the quackery that homeopaths offer.
Spot on Ruman Stimulant ! Please recall the false science surrounding the MMR jab some years ago. It took time but the research claiming to link this vaccine with a whole range of conditions was exposed as bogus. Now we have a homeopathic quack getting involved with something well beyond their sphere of expertise. Go and ask a chemist about the effects of dilution and the existence of 'traces' in the quackery that homeopaths offer. kimcrawley
  • Score: 9

5:34pm Tue 4 Mar 14

judgeatnam says...

Whose advice would you take regarding the health of society? Keyboard Warriors on the Internet or highly trained and experienced health personnel? The choice is yours but don't complain when your child is crippled or killed by some very preventable disease.
Whose advice would you take regarding the health of society? Keyboard Warriors on the Internet or highly trained and experienced health personnel? The choice is yours but don't complain when your child is crippled or killed by some very preventable disease. judgeatnam
  • Score: 9

10:25pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Judyelizabeth says...

Judgeatnam asks why we should not trust our medical professionals - the answer is clear - they get their advice from Pharmaceutical companies. Also funding for medical schools come from vaccine companies. Big Pharma also has no legal liability for damage done for adverse reactions - this is covered by the Vaccine Court which so far has awarded over 2.5 billion dollars for serious injury from vaccine. Pharma provides high quality grants in the form of tens of millions per year to universities - this is why your doctor spends 10 minutes with you and gives you a pill. Ask your doctor what studies have been done to prove the safety of vaccines - there are none as vaccine manufacturers do not use inert placebo studies. Only 1% of adverse reactions are reported (purely voluntary) and no studies have been done between vaxxed and unvaxxed children. So why would we trust the experts? you tell me.
Judgeatnam asks why we should not trust our medical professionals - the answer is clear - they get their advice from Pharmaceutical companies. Also funding for medical schools come from vaccine companies. Big Pharma also has no legal liability for damage done for adverse reactions - this is covered by the Vaccine Court which so far has awarded over 2.5 billion dollars for serious injury from vaccine. Pharma provides high quality grants in the form of tens of millions per year to universities - this is why your doctor spends 10 minutes with you and gives you a pill. Ask your doctor what studies have been done to prove the safety of vaccines - there are none as vaccine manufacturers do not use inert placebo studies. Only 1% of adverse reactions are reported (purely voluntary) and no studies have been done between vaxxed and unvaxxed children. So why would we trust the experts? you tell me. Judyelizabeth
  • Score: -6

12:03am Wed 5 Mar 14

djqster says...

Maybe some of these flat-Earthers would like a vaccine-free trip round the third world. See how their natural health holds out there.
Why is it we don't have smallpox any more?
Maybe some of these flat-Earthers would like a vaccine-free trip round the third world. See how their natural health holds out there. Why is it we don't have smallpox any more? djqster
  • Score: 6

6:31am Wed 5 Mar 14

judgeatnam says...

Judyelizabeth wrote:
Judgeatnam asks why we should not trust our medical professionals - the answer is clear - they get their advice from Pharmaceutical companies. Also funding for medical schools come from vaccine companies. Big Pharma also has no legal liability for damage done for adverse reactions - this is covered by the Vaccine Court which so far has awarded over 2.5 billion dollars for serious injury from vaccine. Pharma provides high quality grants in the form of tens of millions per year to universities - this is why your doctor spends 10 minutes with you and gives you a pill. Ask your doctor what studies have been done to prove the safety of vaccines - there are none as vaccine manufacturers do not use inert placebo studies. Only 1% of adverse reactions are reported (purely voluntary) and no studies have been done between vaxxed and unvaxxed children. So why would we trust the experts? you tell me.
If no studies have been done between "vaxxed" and "unvaxed" where do you get your causes for concern from?
[quote][p][bold]Judyelizabeth[/bold] wrote: Judgeatnam asks why we should not trust our medical professionals - the answer is clear - they get their advice from Pharmaceutical companies. Also funding for medical schools come from vaccine companies. Big Pharma also has no legal liability for damage done for adverse reactions - this is covered by the Vaccine Court which so far has awarded over 2.5 billion dollars for serious injury from vaccine. Pharma provides high quality grants in the form of tens of millions per year to universities - this is why your doctor spends 10 minutes with you and gives you a pill. Ask your doctor what studies have been done to prove the safety of vaccines - there are none as vaccine manufacturers do not use inert placebo studies. Only 1% of adverse reactions are reported (purely voluntary) and no studies have been done between vaxxed and unvaxxed children. So why would we trust the experts? you tell me.[/p][/quote]If no studies have been done between "vaxxed" and "unvaxed" where do you get your causes for concern from? judgeatnam
  • Score: 0

7:22am Wed 5 Mar 14

Judyelizabeth says...

Quite simply if you want to establish safety of a product you have one group that receives the medication and one group that does not receive the medication. If there are no more illnesses in the ones that receive the medication you will know it is safe. This has never been done with vaccinations. It would be quite easy to do with a retrospective study as there is a large number of unvaccinated children but the government refuses to to this study and I wonder why? Until the study is done nobody knows if vaccines are safe and effective. Why wouldn't I have concerns..
Quite simply if you want to establish safety of a product you have one group that receives the medication and one group that does not receive the medication. If there are no more illnesses in the ones that receive the medication you will know it is safe. This has never been done with vaccinations. It would be quite easy to do with a retrospective study as there is a large number of unvaccinated children but the government refuses to to this study and I wonder why? Until the study is done nobody knows if vaccines are safe and effective. Why wouldn't I have concerns.. Judyelizabeth
  • Score: -5

9:39am Wed 5 Mar 14

Judyelizabeth says...

Dr Peter Fletcher who was Chief Scientific Officer at Department of Health and responsible for deciding whether medicines are safe has accused the Government of "utterly inexplicable complacency" over the MMR triple vaccine for children.
He said if it is proven that the jab causes autism, "the refusal by governments to evaluate the risks properly will make this one of the greatest scandals in medical history".
He added that after agreeing to be an expert witness on drug-safety trials for parents' lawyers, he had received and studied thousands of documents relating to the case which he believed the public had a right to see.
He said he has seen a "steady accumulation of evidence" from scientists worldwide that the measles, mumps and rubella jab is causing brain damage in certain children.
But he added: "There are very powerful people in positions of great authority in Britain and elsewhere who have staked their reputations and careers on the safety of MMR and they are willing to do almost anything to protect themselves."
Read more: http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/health/articl
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nce-chief-MMR-fears-
coming-true.html#ixz
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Dr Peter Fletcher who was Chief Scientific Officer at Department of Health and responsible for deciding whether medicines are safe has accused the Government of "utterly inexplicable complacency" over the MMR triple vaccine for children. He said if it is proven that the jab causes autism, "the refusal by governments to evaluate the risks properly will make this one of the greatest scandals in medical history". He added that after agreeing to be an expert witness on drug-safety trials for parents' lawyers, he had received and studied thousands of documents relating to the case which he believed the public had a right to see. He said he has seen a "steady accumulation of evidence" from scientists worldwide that the measles, mumps and rubella jab is causing brain damage in certain children. But he added: "There are very powerful people in positions of great authority in Britain and elsewhere who have staked their reputations and careers on the safety of MMR and they are willing to do almost anything to protect themselves." Read more: http://www.dailymail .co.uk/health/articl e-376203/Former-scie nce-chief-MMR-fears- coming-true.html#ixz z2v4z7XKqi Judyelizabeth
  • Score: -4

11:52am Wed 5 Mar 14

djqster says...

Dr Peter Fletcher wrote a factually incorrect preface to fraudulent quack Andrew Wakefield's book so let's all listen to him...
Dr Peter Fletcher wrote a factually incorrect preface to fraudulent quack Andrew Wakefield's book so let's all listen to him... djqster
  • Score: 2

12:33pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Judyelizabeth says...

http://childhealthsa
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dgqster - you say I should take a trip around the earth to see how well vaccines are preventingi illness - I am afraid all is not perfect on round earth. ….. while India has been polio-free for a year, there has been a huge increase in non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP). In 2011, there were an extra 47500 new cases of NPAFP. Clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but twice as deadly, the incidence of NPAFP was directly proportional to doses of oral polio received. Though this data was collected within the polio surveillance system, it was not investigated. The principle of primum-non-nocere was violated.”
http://childhealthsa fety.wordpress.com/2 012/04/07/third-worl d-duped-on-polio-era dication/ dgqster - you say I should take a trip around the earth to see how well vaccines are preventingi illness - I am afraid all is not perfect on round earth. ….. while India has been polio-free for a year, there has been a huge increase in non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP). In 2011, there were an extra 47500 new cases of NPAFP. Clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but twice as deadly, the incidence of NPAFP was directly proportional to doses of oral polio received. Though this data was collected within the polio surveillance system, it was not investigated. The principle of primum-non-nocere was violated.” [ED: Does this paper appear to confirm that the claimed eradication of polio has been achieved by redefining cases of paralytic polio as something else in order to remove from the statistics cases of paralytic polio caused by polio vaccines? See Inside Vaccines: Polio and Acute Flaccid Paralysis which suggests that the "polio" eradication campaign by WHO appears to have always been a "fools errand" and the unsuspecting world (third and all else) has been duped.] Judyelizabeth
  • Score: -1

7:45am Sat 8 Mar 14

Judyelizabeth says...

http://mercury-freed
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After nearly 10 years of trying to obtain documents from the CDC through over 100 Freedom of Information Acts (FOIAs), that Dr. Brian Hooker had finally obtained documents from the CDC showing that they had been hiding data linking the mercury in vaccines to autism.
This is the concealed study that found a very high association between Thimerosal and autism. There was a later study by the same researcher – CDC-paid epidemiologist Thomas Verstraeten – who had watered down the results of the earlier study to appear as if there were no association between Thimerosal and autism. That second study was made public even though it was fraudulent. Willingham pointed to the conclusions of the later study and implied that they came from the earlier study.”

It is currently posted with the title "CDC Epidemic Intelligence Service (EIS) annual conference abstract submission for the EIS conference in April 2000. Discovered in August of 2013 in a CDC response to a Congressional Request by an office in the U.S.House of Representatives - the abstract submission is titled. ‘Increased risk of developmental neurologic impairment after high exposure to Thimerosal containing vaccine in first month of life.’"
http://mercury-freed rugs.org/docs/00mmdd _EISAbstractSubmissi on_IncreasedRiskOfDe velopmentalNeurologi cImpairmentAfterHigh ExposureToThimerosal -containingVaccine_. pdf After nearly 10 years of trying to obtain documents from the CDC through over 100 Freedom of Information Acts (FOIAs), that Dr. Brian Hooker had finally obtained documents from the CDC showing that they had been hiding data linking the mercury in vaccines to autism. This is the concealed study that found a very high association between Thimerosal and autism. There was a later study by the same researcher – CDC-paid epidemiologist Thomas Verstraeten – who had watered down the results of the earlier study to appear as if there were no association between Thimerosal and autism. That second study was made public even though it was fraudulent. Willingham pointed to the conclusions of the later study and implied that they came from the earlier study.” It is currently posted with the title "CDC Epidemic Intelligence Service (EIS) annual conference abstract submission for the EIS conference in April 2000. Discovered in August of 2013 in a CDC response to a Congressional Request by an office in the U.S.House of Representatives - the abstract submission is titled. ‘Increased risk of developmental neurologic impairment after high exposure to Thimerosal containing vaccine in first month of life.’" Judyelizabeth
  • Score: 1

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