‘Move wheelchair or you’ll have to leave’

This Is Wiltshire: Doris Turner in the space under the stairs where she keeps her wheelchair, which is now deemed to be a fire risk. With her is Philip Dunn with his cat Sally. He has also been told he cannot keep the animal because she is a fire risk Doris Turner in the space under the stairs where she keeps her wheelchair, which is now deemed to be a fire risk. With her is Philip Dunn with his cat Sally. He has also been told he cannot keep the animal because she is a fire risk

ELDERLY pensioner Doris Turner has been told she will have to move out of her flat because she can no longer store her wheelchair in the hall.

The 91-year-old owns her flat in an apartment block managed by housing company Green Square Group, but has to leave her collapsible wheelchair in the hall, as she lives on the first floor.

Last month all the residents in the block of flats in Pound Close, Lyneham, were asked to clear out their belongings from the communal areas, including the halls, after a fire risk assessment under the Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005.

If the items were not removed from the communal spaces, they would be disposed of.

Doris’ wheelchair fits neatly into a space under the stairs which nobody uses, but when she spoke to GreenSquare about leaving it in the hall because she was unable to move it into her flat, she was told that she would have to move it or face moving out.

She said: “I phoned them up and I asked her what about my wheelchair and she said I would have to move out of my flat.

“She said that I would have to speak to the council about it, “I was upset when she said that. It’s my flat and I have been here since 1972.

“I didn’t like the way she spoke to me. She wasn’t rude but she was just sharp.

“I know it’s my choice to live on the first floor but I say it’s my exercise, walking up and down the stairs. It keeps me fit and if I didn’t have that I might not be able to walk at all.”

Jan Morse, neighbourhood manager at GreenSquare, said: “We understand the frustrations of the residents at Pound Close and, where there are individual needs, we will work with residents to identify possible solutions outside of the communal areas.

“In this instance, we have offered to work with Mrs Turner to assess her needs and are discussing the possibility of creating additional safe storage areas, which conform to both building and safety regulations.

“GreenSquare takes its fire safety responsibilities seriously and we constantly review our policies to ensure the safety of all residents. In order to comply with fire regulations, we’re required to take steps to ensure that the communal areas in our properties are clear at all times.”

Doris’ neighbour, Penny McCuskey, 66, was furious when she heard the news..

She said: “It’s not a fire risk, it’s not blocking anybody’s route to the main door. If her wheelchair is a fire risk then so is the notice board, so is the fire escape sign which has fallen off the door.

“It’s ridiculous what they have told us is a fire risk. We had to get rid of the pot plants along the window sill because they are a fire risk.”

Another resident, Philip Dunn, was shocked that he was told he would have to get rid of his pet cats because they also posed a fire risk.

The 36-year-old said: “They said I had to get rid of the cats because they are a fire risk. People all over the country own pets and have them in their homes. I don’t know how they could pose a fire risk at all.”

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7:16am Thu 6 Mar 14

gambon says...

i am sorry to say this but it is a fire risk so why should the rest of the owners of these appartments be put at risk because 1 old women wants to store her wheelchair in the communal area we all know that wheelchairs are like time bombs just waiting to go off
i am sorry to say this but it is a fire risk so why should the rest of the owners of these appartments be put at risk because 1 old women wants to store her wheelchair in the communal area we all know that wheelchairs are like time bombs just waiting to go off gambon
  • Score: -30

7:27am Thu 6 Mar 14

bellyup says...

Poor old Doris :( what a stress for her. if they spend as much money on providing a place to store wheelchairs instead of pointless risk assessments on empty stairwells there'd be no,need for this story.
Poor old Doris :( what a stress for her. if they spend as much money on providing a place to store wheelchairs instead of pointless risk assessments on empty stairwells there'd be no,need for this story. bellyup
  • Score: 33

7:48am Thu 6 Mar 14

Al Smith says...

Threaten the jobsworths with court action citing the Equality Act 2010 as chances are it obliges Green Square to make reasonable adjustments to provide Doris with safe storage for the wheelchair. Either inside through a flammable material storage cabinet or a shed outside.
Threaten the jobsworths with court action citing the Equality Act 2010 as chances are it obliges Green Square to make reasonable adjustments to provide Doris with safe storage for the wheelchair. Either inside through a flammable material storage cabinet or a shed outside. Al Smith
  • Score: 27

7:54am Thu 6 Mar 14

Wildwestener says...

What a load of rubbish. This would only be a fire hazard if it was stored next to highly flammable material etc (which would be a fire hazard itself of course)

Poor Doris being threatened like that. This is just utter nonsense. Of course the reality is that whoever she spoke to on the phone acted like an idiot and upset both this lady and brought her company into disrepute. If I was there boss I'd be having them sort out the problem and take Doris a big bunch of flowers to apologise.
What a load of rubbish. This would only be a fire hazard if it was stored next to highly flammable material etc (which would be a fire hazard itself of course) Poor Doris being threatened like that. This is just utter nonsense. Of course the reality is that whoever she spoke to on the phone acted like an idiot and upset both this lady and brought her company into disrepute. If I was there boss I'd be having them sort out the problem and take Doris a big bunch of flowers to apologise. Wildwestener
  • Score: 33

8:09am Thu 6 Mar 14

John~R says...

I suspect the jobsworth considers that wheelchairs and cats are potential obstacles during a fire evacuation.

I'd paint a yellow box on the floor under the stairs and mark it as "wheelchair storage area" and stop being silly about the cat. it's likely to be a very effective smoke alarm.
I suspect the jobsworth considers that wheelchairs and cats are potential obstacles during a fire evacuation. I'd paint a yellow box on the floor under the stairs and mark it as "wheelchair storage area" and stop being silly about the cat. it's likely to be a very effective smoke alarm. John~R
  • Score: 30

8:25am Thu 6 Mar 14

StillPav says...

I'm not an expert in the Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 but maybe a simply wooden constuction, know by professionals as a cupboard, could be built under the stairs for her to store her wheelchair?
I'm not an expert in the Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 but maybe a simply wooden constuction, know by professionals as a cupboard, could be built under the stairs for her to store her wheelchair? StillPav
  • Score: 26

8:38am Thu 6 Mar 14

stfcdod says...

gambon wrote:
i am sorry to say this but it is a fire risk so why should the rest of the owners of these appartments be put at risk because 1 old women wants to store her wheelchair in the communal area we all know that wheelchairs are like time bombs just waiting to go off
Gambon..............
......I think your irony is lost on some people. Maybe they're jobsworths too.
[quote][p][bold]gambon[/bold] wrote: i am sorry to say this but it is a fire risk so why should the rest of the owners of these appartments be put at risk because 1 old women wants to store her wheelchair in the communal area we all know that wheelchairs are like time bombs just waiting to go off[/p][/quote]Gambon.............. ......I think your irony is lost on some people. Maybe they're jobsworths too. stfcdod
  • Score: 14

8:40am Thu 6 Mar 14

Oik1 says...

Ah, but a wooden cupboard under the stairs would then be a fire risk, wood, it's a combustable material you know and placed under stairs would have the Health and Saftey police running around like headless chickens.

Pot plants, cats and wheelchairs are a fire risk, Oh well, looks like the Mrs cat has got to go, along with her plants,........... Never in my life have I heard anything as ridiculous.
Good luck Doris, I'm sure commonsense will return to Lyneham again soon.
Ah, but a wooden cupboard under the stairs would then be a fire risk, wood, it's a combustable material you know and placed under stairs would have the Health and Saftey police running around like headless chickens. Pot plants, cats and wheelchairs are a fire risk, Oh well, looks like the Mrs cat has got to go, along with her plants,........... Never in my life have I heard anything as ridiculous. Good luck Doris, I'm sure commonsense will return to Lyneham again soon. Oik1
  • Score: 21

9:34am Thu 6 Mar 14

GANGWARILY says...

The Local Government Group published a document “Fire Safety in Purpose Built Flats” which gives guidance to property managers with regard the safe storage of items in communal areas. “Unrestricted” use of common parts is clearly not acceptable and therefore it gives property managers the choice to adopt either a “zero tolerance” or “managed use” approach.

A ‘zero tolerance’ approach is one in which residents are not permitted to use the common parts to store their belongings. No exceptions would apply and would ensure that the common parts were effectively ‘sterile’ ie free of combustible material, ignition sources and obstructions. Disadvantages
Of this approach are it unduly penalises those who could manage their common parts effectively,
it denies residents an opportunity to personalise and improve their living environment.

The alternative is ‘managed use’. This approach allows strictly defined use of common parts and limits the items allowed, to control fire load and ease of ignition. It includes strict conditions on where such items can be kept. For example, a ‘managed use’ policy might permit residents to:
place pot plants and door mats outside their front doors have framed pictures and notice boards on walls store bicycles, prams and mobility scooters in places that are out of the way and not
likely to cause obstruction.

This approach also has advantages and disadvantages. The benefits include: by making the common areas ‘homely’, it fosters a sense of pride and value in the block, which can impact positively on anti-social behaviour it benefits older and disabled people in particular, by allowing them to store mobility aids at the point of access it allows the specific risk factors in the building to be taken into account.

While it may be easier for landlords to take the ‘zero tolerance’ approach, it should be recognised that residents may be put at significant inconvenience and resort to infringements of the policy through frustration. Consideration of the needs of residents in ways that encourage them to follow the constraints of such an approach can contribute significantly to fire safety. Providing suitable communal storage facilities and, for example, charging rooms for mobility scooters, can greatly assist.

Whatever approach a property manager chooses to adopt, the Fire Authority must respect this when ensuring compliance of the Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005.

It does seem somewhat rather harsh on this occasion to prevent Mrs Turner from storing her non-flammable collapsible walking aid in an area which it causes no obstruction whatsoever. It may be different if we were talking about a mobility scooter but even here, there should be no real issue providing they are not causing an obstruction or being charged. The charging of mobility scooters, batteries or other electrical equipment in common parts is not permitted, consideration should be made to providing dedicated rooms for charging, suitably fire separated from the rest of the block.

C’mon Green Square Group, if you risk assess this issue proportionately and fairly, you can allow Mrs Turner her walking aid. It’s a foldable walking frame/chair... not an electric scooter!!

GAMBON… “wheelchairs are like time bombs just waiting to go off” – Really?
The Local Government Group published a document “Fire Safety in Purpose Built Flats” which gives guidance to property managers with regard the safe storage of items in communal areas. “Unrestricted” use of common parts is clearly not acceptable and therefore it gives property managers the choice to adopt either a “zero tolerance” or “managed use” approach. A ‘zero tolerance’ approach is one in which residents are not permitted to use the common parts to store their belongings. No exceptions would apply and would ensure that the common parts were effectively ‘sterile’ ie free of combustible material, ignition sources and obstructions. Disadvantages Of this approach are it unduly penalises those who could manage their common parts effectively, it denies residents an opportunity to personalise and improve their living environment. The alternative is ‘managed use’. This approach allows strictly defined use of common parts and limits the items allowed, to control fire load and ease of ignition. It includes strict conditions on where such items can be kept. For example, a ‘managed use’ policy might permit residents to: place pot plants and door mats outside their front doors have framed pictures and notice boards on walls store bicycles, prams and mobility scooters in places that are out of the way and not likely to cause obstruction. This approach also has advantages and disadvantages. The benefits include: by making the common areas ‘homely’, it fosters a sense of pride and value in the block, which can impact positively on anti-social behaviour it benefits older and disabled people in particular, by allowing them to store mobility aids at the point of access it allows the specific risk factors in the building to be taken into account. While it may be easier for landlords to take the ‘zero tolerance’ approach, it should be recognised that residents may be put at significant inconvenience and resort to infringements of the policy through frustration. Consideration of the needs of residents in ways that encourage them to follow the constraints of such an approach can contribute significantly to fire safety. Providing suitable communal storage facilities and, for example, charging rooms for mobility scooters, can greatly assist. Whatever approach a property manager chooses to adopt, the Fire Authority must respect this when ensuring compliance of the Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005. It does seem somewhat rather harsh on this occasion to prevent Mrs Turner from storing her non-flammable collapsible walking aid in an area which it causes no obstruction whatsoever. It may be different if we were talking about a mobility scooter but even here, there should be no real issue providing they are not causing an obstruction or being charged. The charging of mobility scooters, batteries or other electrical equipment in common parts is not permitted, consideration should be made to providing dedicated rooms for charging, suitably fire separated from the rest of the block. C’mon Green Square Group, if you risk assess this issue proportionately and fairly, you can allow Mrs Turner her walking aid. It’s a foldable walking frame/chair... not an electric scooter!! GAMBON… “wheelchairs are like time bombs just waiting to go off” – Really? GANGWARILY
  • Score: 11

9:38am Thu 6 Mar 14

GANGWARILY says...

Cats.. The only potential fire safety issue is if residents decide to put a cat flap in their front door, which is a fire rated door, however fire rated cat-flaps are available.

Good luck Doris
Cats.. The only potential fire safety issue is if residents decide to put a cat flap in their front door, which is a fire rated door, however fire rated cat-flaps are available. Good luck Doris GANGWARILY
  • Score: 17

9:50am Thu 6 Mar 14

ChannelX says...

Absolutely ridiculous.

This is the problem when we arrive at a system that says, 'Instead of accepting there's virtually no chance of something making anyone's life worse at all, we will deliberately ensure that somebody's life is absolutely made much worse'.

'Fire risk' - yeah, OK. Leave the lady alone, she's 91 so has certainly managed to make it just fine this far, and a lot longer than the Health & Safety 'experts' currently intent on forcing her out of her home. How ironic that the stress and worry they're piling on her will be an actual threat to her health and safety.
Absolutely ridiculous. This is the problem when we arrive at a system that says, 'Instead of accepting there's virtually no chance of something making anyone's life worse at all, we will deliberately ensure that somebody's life is absolutely made much worse'. 'Fire risk' - yeah, OK. Leave the lady alone, she's 91 so has certainly managed to make it just fine this far, and a lot longer than the Health & Safety 'experts' currently intent on forcing her out of her home. How ironic that the stress and worry they're piling on her will be an actual threat to her health and safety. ChannelX
  • Score: 22

9:55am Thu 6 Mar 14

Hmmmf says...

Jan Morse said:
GreenSquare takes its fire safety responsibilities seriously

And that's why it's taken eight years to pounce on residents since the regulations came into force in 2006. Has the fire escape sign been correctly reaffixed to the door to meet the requirements of the Order article 14.(2)(g)? Perhaps the Adver could check. Wouldn't want this management company getting into hot water, would we.
[quote][p][bold]Jan Morse[/bold] said: GreenSquare takes its fire safety responsibilities seriously[/quote] And that's why it's taken eight years to pounce on residents since the regulations came into force in 2006. Has the fire escape sign been correctly reaffixed to the door to meet the requirements of the Order article 14.(2)(g)? Perhaps the Adver could check. Wouldn't want this management company getting into hot water, would we. Hmmmf
  • Score: 15

10:03am Thu 6 Mar 14

swindondad says...

This whole story sound like some "jobsworth" using H&S as an excuse to have all personal items removed from common areas.

What are the chances that the same person is responsible for the cleaning / maintenance of these areas and just wants that job to be cheaper easier?

As others have said as long as the mobility aids are non flammable and do not intrude on the walkways there is not a H&S issue.
This whole story sound like some "jobsworth" using H&S as an excuse to have all personal items removed from common areas. What are the chances that the same person is responsible for the cleaning / maintenance of these areas and just wants that job to be cheaper easier? As others have said as long as the mobility aids are non flammable and do not intrude on the walkways there is not a H&S issue. swindondad
  • Score: 19

11:08am Thu 6 Mar 14

Chrisg46 says...

I am pretty sure that they would be in breach of disability discrimination laws with such a policy.

And Gambon, i do hope you were being sarcastic...
I am pretty sure that they would be in breach of disability discrimination laws with such a policy. And Gambon, i do hope you were being sarcastic... Chrisg46
  • Score: 9

11:17am Thu 6 Mar 14

Robh says...

I believe it is a Rollator walking aid rather than a wheelchair. Of course they are prone to self combustion as are cats. I have a lot of problems at home with my Rollator, Zimmer frames and cats exploding into flames so often.
I believe it is a Rollator walking aid rather than a wheelchair. Of course they are prone to self combustion as are cats. I have a lot of problems at home with my Rollator, Zimmer frames and cats exploding into flames so often. Robh
  • Score: 19

11:47am Thu 6 Mar 14

Stilloyal says...

Green square community officers are just self important jobsworths . They undo all the good work that he Leonard Chesire support staff put in . The council should take a long hard look at Green square.
Green square community officers are just self important jobsworths . They undo all the good work that he Leonard Chesire support staff put in . The council should take a long hard look at Green square. Stilloyal
  • Score: 7

11:56am Thu 6 Mar 14

Tit4Tat says...

gambon wrote:
i am sorry to say this but it is a fire risk so why should the rest of the owners of these appartments be put at risk because 1 old women wants to store her wheelchair in the communal area we all know that wheelchairs are like time bombs just waiting to go off
Tosspot!! If you're not old already, you MAY JUST reach old age at some time.....at which stage I hope you'll be on the receiving end of callous treatment by some idiot just like you!
[quote][p][bold]gambon[/bold] wrote: i am sorry to say this but it is a fire risk so why should the rest of the owners of these appartments be put at risk because 1 old women wants to store her wheelchair in the communal area we all know that wheelchairs are like time bombs just waiting to go off[/p][/quote]Tosspot!! If you're not old already, you MAY JUST reach old age at some time.....at which stage I hope you'll be on the receiving end of callous treatment by some idiot just like you! Tit4Tat
  • Score: -13

12:09pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Tit4Tat says...

ChannelX wrote:
Absolutely ridiculous. This is the problem when we arrive at a system that says, 'Instead of accepting there's virtually no chance of something making anyone's life worse at all, we will deliberately ensure that somebody's life is absolutely made much worse'. 'Fire risk' - yeah, OK. Leave the lady alone, she's 91 so has certainly managed to make it just fine this far, and a lot longer than the Health & Safety 'experts' currently intent on forcing her out of her home. How ironic that the stress and worry they're piling on her will be an actual threat to her health and safety.
And everybody with an OUNCE of common sense knows JUST how flammable the soil in pot-plants is, and how cats with thumbs hang about smoking in communal areas........how absolutely pathetic. Green Square: thank God none of the people I know are living in accommodation managed by yourselves. Shocking!!
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Absolutely ridiculous. This is the problem when we arrive at a system that says, 'Instead of accepting there's virtually no chance of something making anyone's life worse at all, we will deliberately ensure that somebody's life is absolutely made much worse'. 'Fire risk' - yeah, OK. Leave the lady alone, she's 91 so has certainly managed to make it just fine this far, and a lot longer than the Health & Safety 'experts' currently intent on forcing her out of her home. How ironic that the stress and worry they're piling on her will be an actual threat to her health and safety.[/p][/quote]And everybody with an OUNCE of common sense knows JUST how flammable the soil in pot-plants is, and how cats with thumbs hang about smoking in communal areas........how absolutely pathetic. Green Square: thank God none of the people I know are living in accommodation managed by yourselves. Shocking!! Tit4Tat
  • Score: 9

12:12pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Tit4Tat says...

gambon wrote:
i am sorry to say this but it is a fire risk so why should the rest of the owners of these appartments be put at risk because 1 old women wants to store her wheelchair in the communal area we all know that wheelchairs are like time bombs just waiting to go off
Gambon, you can't HONESTLY believe this??? I do hope your comment was made "tongue-in-cheek" and that it's not the attitude you have towards the elderly.....because if it is, I feel for your parents and grandparents.
[quote][p][bold]gambon[/bold] wrote: i am sorry to say this but it is a fire risk so why should the rest of the owners of these appartments be put at risk because 1 old women wants to store her wheelchair in the communal area we all know that wheelchairs are like time bombs just waiting to go off[/p][/quote]Gambon, you can't HONESTLY believe this??? I do hope your comment was made "tongue-in-cheek" and that it's not the attitude you have towards the elderly.....because if it is, I feel for your parents and grandparents. Tit4Tat
  • Score: -6

12:21pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Tit4Tat says...

ChannelX wrote:
Absolutely ridiculous. This is the problem when we arrive at a system that says, 'Instead of accepting there's virtually no chance of something making anyone's life worse at all, we will deliberately ensure that somebody's life is absolutely made much worse'. 'Fire risk' - yeah, OK. Leave the lady alone, she's 91 so has certainly managed to make it just fine this far, and a lot longer than the Health & Safety 'experts' currently intent on forcing her out of her home. How ironic that the stress and worry they're piling on her will be an actual threat to her health and safety.
And what I've been wondering is.........how would they force Doris out of a flat she owns outright and has done since 1972?? I'm totally bemused by this entire fiasco. Green Square should hang their heads in shame.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Absolutely ridiculous. This is the problem when we arrive at a system that says, 'Instead of accepting there's virtually no chance of something making anyone's life worse at all, we will deliberately ensure that somebody's life is absolutely made much worse'. 'Fire risk' - yeah, OK. Leave the lady alone, she's 91 so has certainly managed to make it just fine this far, and a lot longer than the Health & Safety 'experts' currently intent on forcing her out of her home. How ironic that the stress and worry they're piling on her will be an actual threat to her health and safety.[/p][/quote]And what I've been wondering is.........how would they force Doris out of a flat she owns outright and has done since 1972?? I'm totally bemused by this entire fiasco. Green Square should hang their heads in shame. Tit4Tat
  • Score: 8

12:38pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Tit4Tat says...

Robh wrote:
I believe it is a Rollator walking aid rather than a wheelchair. Of course they are prone to self combustion as are cats. I have a lot of problems at home with my Rollator, Zimmer frames and cats exploding into flames so often.
Rob, I have the same problems with my pot plants and cats - I keep having to replace them!!! I guess we should start looking for cats that come with 'fire-retardant' labels.......
[quote][p][bold]Robh[/bold] wrote: I believe it is a Rollator walking aid rather than a wheelchair. Of course they are prone to self combustion as are cats. I have a lot of problems at home with my Rollator, Zimmer frames and cats exploding into flames so often.[/p][/quote]Rob, I have the same problems with my pot plants and cats - I keep having to replace them!!! I guess we should start looking for cats that come with 'fire-retardant' labels....... Tit4Tat
  • Score: 5

1:41pm Thu 6 Mar 14

stfcdod says...

Tit4Tat wrote:
gambon wrote:
i am sorry to say this but it is a fire risk so why should the rest of the owners of these appartments be put at risk because 1 old women wants to store her wheelchair in the communal area we all know that wheelchairs are like time bombs just waiting to go off
Tosspot!! If you're not old already, you MAY JUST reach old age at some time.....at which stage I hope you'll be on the receiving end of callous treatment by some idiot just like you!
Tit4Tat.....read the post again before making a tittat prat of yourself.
[quote][p][bold]Tit4Tat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gambon[/bold] wrote: i am sorry to say this but it is a fire risk so why should the rest of the owners of these appartments be put at risk because 1 old women wants to store her wheelchair in the communal area we all know that wheelchairs are like time bombs just waiting to go off[/p][/quote]Tosspot!! If you're not old already, you MAY JUST reach old age at some time.....at which stage I hope you'll be on the receiving end of callous treatment by some idiot just like you![/p][/quote]Tit4Tat.....read the post again before making a tittat prat of yourself. stfcdod
  • Score: 8

1:43pm Thu 6 Mar 14

stfcdod says...

Tit4Tat wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Absolutely ridiculous. This is the problem when we arrive at a system that says, 'Instead of accepting there's virtually no chance of something making anyone's life worse at all, we will deliberately ensure that somebody's life is absolutely made much worse'. 'Fire risk' - yeah, OK. Leave the lady alone, she's 91 so has certainly managed to make it just fine this far, and a lot longer than the Health & Safety 'experts' currently intent on forcing her out of her home. How ironic that the stress and worry they're piling on her will be an actual threat to her health and safety.
And what I've been wondering is.........how would they force Doris out of a flat she owns outright and has done since 1972?? I'm totally bemused by this entire fiasco. Green Square should hang their heads in shame.
So should you.
[quote][p][bold]Tit4Tat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Absolutely ridiculous. This is the problem when we arrive at a system that says, 'Instead of accepting there's virtually no chance of something making anyone's life worse at all, we will deliberately ensure that somebody's life is absolutely made much worse'. 'Fire risk' - yeah, OK. Leave the lady alone, she's 91 so has certainly managed to make it just fine this far, and a lot longer than the Health & Safety 'experts' currently intent on forcing her out of her home. How ironic that the stress and worry they're piling on her will be an actual threat to her health and safety.[/p][/quote]And what I've been wondering is.........how would they force Doris out of a flat she owns outright and has done since 1972?? I'm totally bemused by this entire fiasco. Green Square should hang their heads in shame.[/p][/quote]So should you. stfcdod
  • Score: 2

1:47pm Thu 6 Mar 14

swindondad says...

For those that feel Green Square's action is wrong why not leave some (polite) feedback on their website.

http://www.greensqua
regroup.com/about-us
/contact-us
For those that feel Green Square's action is wrong why not leave some (polite) feedback on their website. http://www.greensqua regroup.com/about-us /contact-us swindondad
  • Score: 4

2:21pm Thu 6 Mar 14

PaulD says...

I shall be kitting out my cat with an asbestos wastecoat in order to prevent fires
I shall be kitting out my cat with an asbestos wastecoat in order to prevent fires PaulD
  • Score: 7

2:59pm Thu 6 Mar 14

molly60 says...

gambon wrote:
i am sorry to say this but it is a fire risk so why should the rest of the owners of these appartments be put at risk because 1 old women wants to store her wheelchair in the communal area we all know that wheelchairs are like time bombs just waiting to go off
I don't wish misfortune to anybody except ignorant people like you. One day you might have to use a wheelchair then then you will find out if its a fire risk or not .Sticking pins into effigy as I type.
[quote][p][bold]gambon[/bold] wrote: i am sorry to say this but it is a fire risk so why should the rest of the owners of these appartments be put at risk because 1 old women wants to store her wheelchair in the communal area we all know that wheelchairs are like time bombs just waiting to go off[/p][/quote]I don't wish misfortune to anybody except ignorant people like you. One day you might have to use a wheelchair then then you will find out if its a fire risk or not .Sticking pins into effigy as I type. molly60
  • Score: -11

3:03pm Thu 6 Mar 14

scottwichall says...

molly60 wrote:
gambon wrote:
i am sorry to say this but it is a fire risk so why should the rest of the owners of these appartments be put at risk because 1 old women wants to store her wheelchair in the communal area we all know that wheelchairs are like time bombs just waiting to go off
I don't wish misfortune to anybody except ignorant people like you. One day you might have to use a wheelchair then then you will find out if its a fire risk or not .Sticking pins into effigy as I type.
Spotting sarcasm is not one of your strong points is it Molly :-)
[quote][p][bold]molly60[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gambon[/bold] wrote: i am sorry to say this but it is a fire risk so why should the rest of the owners of these appartments be put at risk because 1 old women wants to store her wheelchair in the communal area we all know that wheelchairs are like time bombs just waiting to go off[/p][/quote]I don't wish misfortune to anybody except ignorant people like you. One day you might have to use a wheelchair then then you will find out if its a fire risk or not .Sticking pins into effigy as I type.[/p][/quote]Spotting sarcasm is not one of your strong points is it Molly :-) scottwichall
  • Score: 14

3:57pm Thu 6 Mar 14

stfcdod says...

scottwichall wrote:
molly60 wrote:
gambon wrote:
i am sorry to say this but it is a fire risk so why should the rest of the owners of these appartments be put at risk because 1 old women wants to store her wheelchair in the communal area we all know that wheelchairs are like time bombs just waiting to go off
I don't wish misfortune to anybody except ignorant people like you. One day you might have to use a wheelchair then then you will find out if its a fire risk or not .Sticking pins into effigy as I type.
Spotting sarcasm is not one of your strong points is it Molly :-)
It's just unbelievable that anyone couldn't detect the irony in some of these posts. They must be so bright. There you go....sarcasm again.
[quote][p][bold]scottwichall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]molly60[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gambon[/bold] wrote: i am sorry to say this but it is a fire risk so why should the rest of the owners of these appartments be put at risk because 1 old women wants to store her wheelchair in the communal area we all know that wheelchairs are like time bombs just waiting to go off[/p][/quote]I don't wish misfortune to anybody except ignorant people like you. One day you might have to use a wheelchair then then you will find out if its a fire risk or not .Sticking pins into effigy as I type.[/p][/quote]Spotting sarcasm is not one of your strong points is it Molly :-)[/p][/quote]It's just unbelievable that anyone couldn't detect the irony in some of these posts. They must be so bright. There you go....sarcasm again. stfcdod
  • Score: 10

3:59pm Thu 6 Mar 14

PJC says...

Are they also going to also hermetically seal the building and suck out all the air too, as we all know that oxygen is a fire risk, because fires can't burn without it!?....
Are they also going to also hermetically seal the building and suck out all the air too, as we all know that oxygen is a fire risk, because fires can't burn without it!?.... PJC
  • Score: 7

4:00pm Thu 6 Mar 14

scottwichall says...

PJC wrote:
Are they also going to also hermetically seal the building and suck out all the air too, as we all know that oxygen is a fire risk, because fires can't burn without it!?....
Ahh, but don't forget the incendiary cats will contain oxygen so they will burn by themselves!
[quote][p][bold]PJC[/bold] wrote: Are they also going to also hermetically seal the building and suck out all the air too, as we all know that oxygen is a fire risk, because fires can't burn without it!?....[/p][/quote]Ahh, but don't forget the incendiary cats will contain oxygen so they will burn by themselves! scottwichall
  • Score: 5

7:42pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Moth says...

Doris owns her flat so how does the ignorant idiot on the end of the phone propose to throw her out? Obviously some poorly trained phone monkey who doesn't know the difference between renting a property and owning it.

As for the neighbour's cat, well I've heard it all now. Let me put things in perspective to the idiot on the end of the phone, and I hope, Madam you are reading this.

THE CAT IS NOT JUST A "PET". IT IS PART OF A FAMILY AND DEFINITELY NOT A FIRE HAZARD.

Green Square. Companies like you are what's destroying this country.

SHAME ON YOU!!!
Doris owns her flat so how does the ignorant idiot on the end of the phone propose to throw her out? Obviously some poorly trained phone monkey who doesn't know the difference between renting a property and owning it. As for the neighbour's cat, well I've heard it all now. Let me put things in perspective to the idiot on the end of the phone, and I hope, Madam you are reading this. THE CAT IS NOT JUST A "PET". IT IS PART OF A FAMILY AND DEFINITELY NOT A FIRE HAZARD. Green Square. Companies like you are what's destroying this country. SHAME ON YOU!!! Moth
  • Score: 7

9:06pm Thu 6 Mar 14

melnursesear. says...

Dont re elect the Jobsworths on the Council..it happened in our area ..because the PC Brigade have had to be quiet when Con?Dems are in power..its started again ..has it.!
Dont re elect the Jobsworths on the Council..it happened in our area ..because the PC Brigade have had to be quiet when Con?Dems are in power..its started again ..has it.! melnursesear.
  • Score: 1

9:58pm Thu 6 Mar 14

underdogs says...

Greensquare strikes again !!!! For many years Westlea Housing tenants regularly criticised Westlea - it appears the same insensitive unfair standards remain ? It appears the elderly, disabled ' at risk ' residents are still being bullied by Greensquare when all it would take is for a reasonable fair and considerate landlord to supply a metal cupboard for the wheelchair - rather than causing all this pain and suffering to the elderly who are often unable or unwilling to stand up for themselves . Shame on you Jan Morse allowing the elderly to be treated like this - I am sure you would not even show your face in many of the flats in Calne or Chippenham where pushchairs and even motorised wheelchairs are stored under the stairs - the younger tenants would soon deal with you or any jobsworth who appear to deliberately upset these tenants. Westlea took over the North Wilts housing stock in 1996, clearly in 18 years you STILL do not know how to treat people with consideration and respect - in fact the way you have dealt with this matter appears to be ABUSE ! !
Greensquare strikes again !!!! For many years Westlea Housing tenants regularly criticised Westlea - it appears the same insensitive unfair standards remain ? It appears the elderly, disabled ' at risk ' residents are still being bullied by Greensquare when all it would take is for a reasonable fair and considerate landlord to supply a metal cupboard for the wheelchair - rather than causing all this pain and suffering to the elderly who are often unable or unwilling to stand up for themselves . Shame on you Jan Morse allowing the elderly to be treated like this - I am sure you would not even show your face in many of the flats in Calne or Chippenham where pushchairs and even motorised wheelchairs are stored under the stairs - the younger tenants would soon deal with you or any jobsworth who appear to deliberately upset these tenants. Westlea took over the North Wilts housing stock in 1996, clearly in 18 years you STILL do not know how to treat people with consideration and respect - in fact the way you have dealt with this matter appears to be ABUSE ! ! underdogs
  • Score: 4

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