Popular Old Town cafe closes less than a year after opening

This Is Wiltshire: Popular Old Town cafe closes less than a year after opening Popular Old Town cafe closes less than a year after opening

CAKES and Ale, a popular Old Town cafe, has closed its doors less than a year after opening.

The owners of the Devizes Road cafe, which opened in June last year, have posted a heartfelt message on their website stating that they have been 'killed by taxes'.

David Marriott, who set up the business with wife Marya, of Wroughton, said: "The odds against new businesses succeeding for even a year are high, way above 50 per cent. The odds worsen for cafes and restaurant businesses. We knew that when we opened but life without risk is a kind of death.

"No-one ever tells you why the odds are so stacked against you. When your business falters, you start to understand why. When it falls over, it becomes crystal clear. Essentially, we were killed by taxes.

"Sure, we made mistakes. But we're not stupid and have lived and worked long enough to know how to avoid fundamental errors. We were and are idealistic - but not naive."

The cafe, based in the unit of a former furniture shop, was an unusual concept, selling beer and wine, but also tea, coffee, cakes, breakfast, lunch and supper.

It aimed to offer a balance between traditional and modern food from Europe, North Africa and the Middle East.

David added: "Our landlord allowed us the first six months rent-free but the minute we started to trade we, like all similar businesses, became liable for a terrible trinity of taxes - VAT, National Insurance and local business rates. Only now, far too late to save us, has the government allowed a £1000 reduction on rates and £2000 (maximum) on NI. We've been waiting months for an additional revaluation of the business rates, which has finally come through, just as we're having to close, so we'll never benefit from it.

"If we'd managed to make any money, we would have had to pay corporation tax on that, of course.

"We don't object to paying our fair share of tax but what we owe - and cannot pay - the taxman is far outweighed by the value of the state benefits that will be paid to our redundant staff. That looks like madness to us.

"We take off our hats to other small businesses like ours that succeed against the odds. We don't know how they do it but wish them continued success.

"We want to thank the many hundreds of customers who supported us, promoted our business and became our friends. We're really sorry that, having discovered us, we have disappeared from your view. It's not what we wanted."

David said the couple are now planning on a career in renovating and customising vintage furniture, after many customers admired their style, furniture and décor. 

 

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9:22am Thu 29 May 14

SockPuppet says...

Sad news.
Maybe if Corporations paid their fair share of tax we could reduce tax on small business...
Sad news. Maybe if Corporations paid their fair share of tax we could reduce tax on small business... SockPuppet
  • Score: 34

9:23am Thu 29 May 14

stfcdod says...

Surely the lesson to be learned here is that you must do your homework first, instead of just hoping that you're going to make a fortune.
Surely the lesson to be learned here is that you must do your homework first, instead of just hoping that you're going to make a fortune. stfcdod
  • Score: -10

9:37am Thu 29 May 14

mrwoo says...

VAT is not a tax on the business, it's a tax on the customer which the business collects? Yes they need to factor this into their pricing, but can also gain as they can either reclaim VAT on purchases or use the flat rate scheme and crème a percentage off the top. They would have to pay employers NI on any staff wages which would be fairly minimal on minimum wage.
Business rates is the big one but this should have been factored into their business plan before embarking on this venture.
No doubt they will plan their furniture business better, or as I suspect not.
VAT is not a tax on the business, it's a tax on the customer which the business collects? Yes they need to factor this into their pricing, but can also gain as they can either reclaim VAT on purchases or use the flat rate scheme and crème a percentage off the top. They would have to pay employers NI on any staff wages which would be fairly minimal on minimum wage. Business rates is the big one but this should have been factored into their business plan before embarking on this venture. No doubt they will plan their furniture business better, or as I suspect not. mrwoo
  • Score: 35

9:53am Thu 29 May 14

house on the hill says...

SockPuppet wrote:
Sad news.
Maybe if Corporations paid their fair share of tax we could reduce tax on small business...
So if you were offered a legal way of paying no tax and putting more money in your pocket you wouldn't take it? I am guessing then you have never done work or had work done for cash and defrauded the tax man or never bought any bootleg fags or booze or dvd's etc? Why are we blaming others for doing thing we do ourselves and please don't start mentioning morals, since when has anyone been moral over money, we all shop for the best deals and dont care if other shops go bust, why should we expect others to be any different. Blame Govt for not have proper laws, not pretty much everyone in the country who takes advantage one way or another.
[quote][p][bold]SockPuppet[/bold] wrote: Sad news. Maybe if Corporations paid their fair share of tax we could reduce tax on small business...[/p][/quote]So if you were offered a legal way of paying no tax and putting more money in your pocket you wouldn't take it? I am guessing then you have never done work or had work done for cash and defrauded the tax man or never bought any bootleg fags or booze or dvd's etc? Why are we blaming others for doing thing we do ourselves and please don't start mentioning morals, since when has anyone been moral over money, we all shop for the best deals and dont care if other shops go bust, why should we expect others to be any different. Blame Govt for not have proper laws, not pretty much everyone in the country who takes advantage one way or another. house on the hill
  • Score: 19

9:58am Thu 29 May 14

SomeoneWhoIsntMe says...

I went into this place a few times and found the staff to be rude, pretentious and unwelcoming. Is it any wonder they failed? The Hop opened up a few doors down at a similar time and is BOOMING because of how friendly the atmosphere is in there... They also sell cake and ale!
I went into this place a few times and found the staff to be rude, pretentious and unwelcoming. Is it any wonder they failed? The Hop opened up a few doors down at a similar time and is BOOMING because of how friendly the atmosphere is in there... They also sell cake and ale! SomeoneWhoIsntMe
  • Score: 47

10:00am Thu 29 May 14

SomeoneWhoIsntMe says...

Also, it wasn't an unusual concept. PLENTY of places sell lunch dinner breakfast beer and wine... The Old Bank for one
Also, it wasn't an unusual concept. PLENTY of places sell lunch dinner breakfast beer and wine... The Old Bank for one SomeoneWhoIsntMe
  • Score: 20

10:05am Thu 29 May 14

GrumpyLocal says...

Really sorry to hear that Cakes & Ale have closed down. As a fellow retailer working through the same business hours, I only managed to vist the establishment once but loved every second. I often directed our customers their way if they were looking for a nice cake & and drink to finish the days shopping trip off & had many say how nice it was when they next came in.
Really sorry to hear that Cakes & Ale have closed down. As a fellow retailer working through the same business hours, I only managed to vist the establishment once but loved every second. I often directed our customers their way if they were looking for a nice cake & and drink to finish the days shopping trip off & had many say how nice it was when they next came in. GrumpyLocal
  • Score: 8

10:08am Thu 29 May 14

Mukkin says...

6 months rent free and still fail after a year, research research and research are the keys, still they are now going into furniture because someone liked it, sounds to me like a couple of wannabes :-D
6 months rent free and still fail after a year, research research and research are the keys, still they are now going into furniture because someone liked it, sounds to me like a couple of wannabes :-D Mukkin
  • Score: 22

10:10am Thu 29 May 14

Hearditallbefore says...

Real Ale-in a bottle?
Contradicts itself really.
Real Ale-in a bottle? Contradicts itself really. Hearditallbefore
  • Score: 13

10:37am Thu 29 May 14

SockPuppet says...

house on the hill wrote:
SockPuppet wrote:
Sad news.
Maybe if Corporations paid their fair share of tax we could reduce tax on small business...
So if you were offered a legal way of paying no tax and putting more money in your pocket you wouldn't take it? I am guessing then you have never done work or had work done for cash and defrauded the tax man or never bought any bootleg fags or booze or dvd's etc? Why are we blaming others for doing thing we do ourselves and please don't start mentioning morals, since when has anyone been moral over money, we all shop for the best deals and dont care if other shops go bust, why should we expect others to be any different. Blame Govt for not have proper laws, not pretty much everyone in the country who takes advantage one way or another.
Whether I blame the Corporations for greed or the Government for allowing the greed it still stands that the concept of tax avoidance is wrong.
The loop holes aren't changed as those in charge are those that benefit the most.
Bringing it down to a comparison of a bloke in a pub saving money of fags vs a multi national that employs people to systematically reduce the out goings into our government coffers seems a little out of proportion.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SockPuppet[/bold] wrote: Sad news. Maybe if Corporations paid their fair share of tax we could reduce tax on small business...[/p][/quote]So if you were offered a legal way of paying no tax and putting more money in your pocket you wouldn't take it? I am guessing then you have never done work or had work done for cash and defrauded the tax man or never bought any bootleg fags or booze or dvd's etc? Why are we blaming others for doing thing we do ourselves and please don't start mentioning morals, since when has anyone been moral over money, we all shop for the best deals and dont care if other shops go bust, why should we expect others to be any different. Blame Govt for not have proper laws, not pretty much everyone in the country who takes advantage one way or another.[/p][/quote]Whether I blame the Corporations for greed or the Government for allowing the greed it still stands that the concept of tax avoidance is wrong. The loop holes aren't changed as those in charge are those that benefit the most. Bringing it down to a comparison of a bloke in a pub saving money of fags vs a multi national that employs people to systematically reduce the out goings into our government coffers seems a little out of proportion. SockPuppet
  • Score: 4

10:49am Thu 29 May 14

daws says...

Very hard work running a café, most people go into the trade thinking they ll make a fast buck stood behind a counter making fancy coffees but trust me, long hours, lots to do behind the scenes and staff to manage all add up. 6 months free rent should of set them on the way, most businesses take years to make any real money, so Mukkins point of wannebes isn't that far off the mark.
Very hard work running a café, most people go into the trade thinking they ll make a fast buck stood behind a counter making fancy coffees but trust me, long hours, lots to do behind the scenes and staff to manage all add up. 6 months free rent should of set them on the way, most businesses take years to make any real money, so Mukkins point of wannebes isn't that far off the mark. daws
  • Score: 15

11:30am Thu 29 May 14

IfItsONtheNet says...

Sad to see a business closing but why is it closing???....Nasty taxes that we all have to pay, it is a shame that jobs have been lost and there will be a big empty building on the street again.
I went there a couple of times both as a venue for meetings and for a social event I found the service poor and menu was not as described (high tea should be just so) cant really fault the brews as they are bottled.
Its a lovely building so I do hope it is taken on soon.
Sad to see a business closing but why is it closing???....Nasty taxes that we all have to pay, it is a shame that jobs have been lost and there will be a big empty building on the street again. I went there a couple of times both as a venue for meetings and for a social event I found the service poor and menu was not as described (high tea should be just so) cant really fault the brews as they are bottled. Its a lovely building so I do hope it is taken on soon. IfItsONtheNet
  • Score: 6

11:32am Thu 29 May 14

adsinibiza says...

"Sure, we made mistakes. But we're not stupid and have lived and worked long enough to know how to avoid fundamental errors. We were and are idealistic - but not naive."

That is apart from factoring in taxation that every business has to pay........
"Sure, we made mistakes. But we're not stupid and have lived and worked long enough to know how to avoid fundamental errors. We were and are idealistic - but not naive." That is apart from factoring in taxation that every business has to pay........ adsinibiza
  • Score: 10

11:33am Thu 29 May 14

Hmmmf says...

SockPuppet wrote:
Sad news.
Maybe if Corporations paid their fair share of tax we could reduce tax on small business...
Corporations pay the taxes HMRC demand in accordance with HMRC rules. So do small businesses. How is that 'unfair'?
[quote][p][bold]SockPuppet[/bold] wrote: Sad news. Maybe if Corporations paid their fair share of tax we could reduce tax on small business...[/p][/quote]Corporations pay the taxes HMRC demand in accordance with HMRC rules. So do small businesses. How is that 'unfair'? Hmmmf
  • Score: 3

11:34am Thu 29 May 14

SomeoneWhoIsntMe says...

Hmmmf wrote:
SockPuppet wrote:
Sad news.
Maybe if Corporations paid their fair share of tax we could reduce tax on small business...
Corporations pay the taxes HMRC demand in accordance with HMRC rules. So do small businesses. How is that 'unfair'?
Lots of big businesses use offshore havens for running their business so they are exempt from certain taxes...
[quote][p][bold]Hmmmf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SockPuppet[/bold] wrote: Sad news. Maybe if Corporations paid their fair share of tax we could reduce tax on small business...[/p][/quote]Corporations pay the taxes HMRC demand in accordance with HMRC rules. So do small businesses. How is that 'unfair'?[/p][/quote]Lots of big businesses use offshore havens for running their business so they are exempt from certain taxes... SomeoneWhoIsntMe
  • Score: 0

11:43am Thu 29 May 14

Mukkin says...

daws wrote:
Very hard work running a café, most people go into the trade thinking they ll make a fast buck stood behind a counter making fancy coffees but trust me, long hours, lots to do behind the scenes and staff to manage all add up. 6 months free rent should of set them on the way, most businesses take years to make any real money, so Mukkins point of wannebes isn't that far off the mark.
I speak of experience Daws, I don't normally comment unless I've experienced it or know facts, I ran my business for 15 years along side working a normal job PAYE, sometimes working more than 70 hours a week, planning it, establishing it, paying off any debts to set the business up, also learning the pitfalls along the way.

To read a sob story of someone who's gone to the papers because they failed after what really was 6 months out in the real world ( they were cushioned for the other 6) people like this can be seen on property programmes on tv, fly by night wannabes who I have no sympathy for :-D
[quote][p][bold]daws[/bold] wrote: Very hard work running a café, most people go into the trade thinking they ll make a fast buck stood behind a counter making fancy coffees but trust me, long hours, lots to do behind the scenes and staff to manage all add up. 6 months free rent should of set them on the way, most businesses take years to make any real money, so Mukkins point of wannebes isn't that far off the mark.[/p][/quote]I speak of experience Daws, I don't normally comment unless I've experienced it or know facts, I ran my business for 15 years along side working a normal job PAYE, sometimes working more than 70 hours a week, planning it, establishing it, paying off any debts to set the business up, also learning the pitfalls along the way. To read a sob story of someone who's gone to the papers because they failed after what really was 6 months out in the real world ( they were cushioned for the other 6) people like this can be seen on property programmes on tv, fly by night wannabes who I have no sympathy for :-D Mukkin
  • Score: 9

11:50am Thu 29 May 14

ChannelX says...

mrwoo wrote:
VAT is not a tax on the business, it's a tax on the customer which the business collects? Yes they need to factor this into their pricing, but can also gain as they can either reclaim VAT on purchases or use the flat rate scheme and crème a percentage off the top. They would have to pay employers NI on any staff wages which would be fairly minimal on minimum wage.
Business rates is the big one but this should have been factored into their business plan before embarking on this venture.
No doubt they will plan their furniture business better, or as I suspect not.
All taxes are, ultimately, a tax on the consumer. Had Cake & Ale increased their prices to cover the business rates, National Insurance contributions, alcohol duty, VAT and corporation tax, they'd have stayed in business.

Whether anyone would have been prepared to actually pay the resulting prices is another story entirely...
[quote][p][bold]mrwoo[/bold] wrote: VAT is not a tax on the business, it's a tax on the customer which the business collects? Yes they need to factor this into their pricing, but can also gain as they can either reclaim VAT on purchases or use the flat rate scheme and crème a percentage off the top. They would have to pay employers NI on any staff wages which would be fairly minimal on minimum wage. Business rates is the big one but this should have been factored into their business plan before embarking on this venture. No doubt they will plan their furniture business better, or as I suspect not.[/p][/quote]All taxes are, ultimately, a tax on the consumer. Had Cake & Ale increased their prices to cover the business rates, National Insurance contributions, alcohol duty, VAT and corporation tax, they'd have stayed in business. Whether anyone would have been prepared to actually pay the resulting prices is another story entirely... ChannelX
  • Score: 7

11:52am Thu 29 May 14

ChannelX says...

SockPuppet wrote:
Sad news.
Maybe if Corporations paid their fair share of tax we could reduce tax on small business...
If Corporations suddenly paid the billions more that the lefties seem to think they somehow 'owe us all', all that would happen is that their prices would rise such that WE end up paying the difference.

The reason there's a 'cost of living crisis' is primarily due to massive levels of taxation, especially on petrol and energy.
[quote][p][bold]SockPuppet[/bold] wrote: Sad news. Maybe if Corporations paid their fair share of tax we could reduce tax on small business...[/p][/quote]If Corporations suddenly paid the billions more that the lefties seem to think they somehow 'owe us all', all that would happen is that their prices would rise such that WE end up paying the difference. The reason there's a 'cost of living crisis' is primarily due to massive levels of taxation, especially on petrol and energy. ChannelX
  • Score: 4

12:12pm Thu 29 May 14

Hmmmf says...

SomeoneWhoIsntMe wrote:
Hmmmf wrote:
SockPuppet wrote:
Sad news.
Maybe if Corporations paid their fair share of tax we could reduce tax on small business...
Corporations pay the taxes HMRC demand in accordance with HMRC rules. So do small businesses. How is that 'unfair'?
Lots of big businesses use offshore havens for running their business so they are exempt from certain taxes...
HMRC doesn't demand taxes from them and HMRC rules don't require them to pay. Again I ask, how is that unfair?

This notion that somehow 'big corporations' are 'cheating' is populist nonsense. You can't get much fairer than playing by the rules.

You know what a 'big business' or a 'big corporation' is? It's a small business that was successful and grew, and now employs a great many people, puts food on a great many tables, provides work to even more smaller business for parts and raw materials, and supplies goods and services to many many more (goods, for example, like the devices and networks you used to post your comment).
Above all, the 'big businesses' and 'corporations,' which some people mank on about because it's popular to do so, are in fact just large groups of people trying to make a living, all of whom are paying their taxes and insurances and whatever else their revenue men require of them, and spending their hard-earned in the local economies where they live and work.
[quote][p][bold]SomeoneWhoIsntMe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hmmmf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SockPuppet[/bold] wrote: Sad news. Maybe if Corporations paid their fair share of tax we could reduce tax on small business...[/p][/quote]Corporations pay the taxes HMRC demand in accordance with HMRC rules. So do small businesses. How is that 'unfair'?[/p][/quote]Lots of big businesses use offshore havens for running their business so they are exempt from certain taxes...[/p][/quote]HMRC doesn't demand taxes from them and HMRC rules don't require them to pay. Again I ask, how is that unfair? This notion that somehow 'big corporations' are 'cheating' is populist nonsense. You can't get much fairer than playing by the rules. You know what a 'big business' or a 'big corporation' is? It's a small business that was successful and grew, and now employs a great many people, puts food on a great many tables, provides work to even more smaller business for parts and raw materials, and supplies goods and services to many many more (goods, for example, like the devices and networks you used to post your comment). Above all, the 'big businesses' and 'corporations,' which some people mank on about because it's popular to do so, are in fact just large groups of people trying to make a living, all of whom are paying their taxes and insurances and whatever else their revenue men require of them, and spending their hard-earned in the local economies where they live and work. Hmmmf
  • Score: 4

12:19pm Thu 29 May 14

house on the hill says...

SockPuppet wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
SockPuppet wrote:
Sad news.
Maybe if Corporations paid their fair share of tax we could reduce tax on small business...
So if you were offered a legal way of paying no tax and putting more money in your pocket you wouldn't take it? I am guessing then you have never done work or had work done for cash and defrauded the tax man or never bought any bootleg fags or booze or dvd's etc? Why are we blaming others for doing thing we do ourselves and please don't start mentioning morals, since when has anyone been moral over money, we all shop for the best deals and dont care if other shops go bust, why should we expect others to be any different. Blame Govt for not have proper laws, not pretty much everyone in the country who takes advantage one way or another.
Whether I blame the Corporations for greed or the Government for allowing the greed it still stands that the concept of tax avoidance is wrong.
The loop holes aren't changed as those in charge are those that benefit the most.
Bringing it down to a comparison of a bloke in a pub saving money of fags vs a multi national that employs people to systematically reduce the out goings into our government coffers seems a little out of proportion.
I agree, Tax avoidance is perfectly legal in this country and buying cheap fags and booze or working or getting jobs done for cash isn't. In reality, who is worse, those taking advantage of the law but not breaking it or those who break it and don't care? Adding up all the "blokes in the pub" I think you would be amazed at how much tax is evaded over a year, it runs into many £billions.

Sorry I just hate people with double standards who expect others to be more "moral" that they are themselves and just moan!
[quote][p][bold]SockPuppet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SockPuppet[/bold] wrote: Sad news. Maybe if Corporations paid their fair share of tax we could reduce tax on small business...[/p][/quote]So if you were offered a legal way of paying no tax and putting more money in your pocket you wouldn't take it? I am guessing then you have never done work or had work done for cash and defrauded the tax man or never bought any bootleg fags or booze or dvd's etc? Why are we blaming others for doing thing we do ourselves and please don't start mentioning morals, since when has anyone been moral over money, we all shop for the best deals and dont care if other shops go bust, why should we expect others to be any different. Blame Govt for not have proper laws, not pretty much everyone in the country who takes advantage one way or another.[/p][/quote]Whether I blame the Corporations for greed or the Government for allowing the greed it still stands that the concept of tax avoidance is wrong. The loop holes aren't changed as those in charge are those that benefit the most. Bringing it down to a comparison of a bloke in a pub saving money of fags vs a multi national that employs people to systematically reduce the out goings into our government coffers seems a little out of proportion.[/p][/quote]I agree, Tax avoidance is perfectly legal in this country and buying cheap fags and booze or working or getting jobs done for cash isn't. In reality, who is worse, those taking advantage of the law but not breaking it or those who break it and don't care? Adding up all the "blokes in the pub" I think you would be amazed at how much tax is evaded over a year, it runs into many £billions. Sorry I just hate people with double standards who expect others to be more "moral" that they are themselves and just moan! house on the hill
  • Score: 4

12:49pm Thu 29 May 14

Oldtownmum says...

To be honest, I felt the atmosphere was a bit weird. The lady who served us was brusque and not friendly. We only visited once, whereas we go to the cafe across the road a lot
To be honest, I felt the atmosphere was a bit weird. The lady who served us was brusque and not friendly. We only visited once, whereas we go to the cafe across the road a lot Oldtownmum
  • Score: 26

12:59pm Thu 29 May 14

michael36 says...

I feel very sorry for the owners that they were not aware that the word around Old Town is that the food isnt very nice and the service not consistant. Many people including myself went lots of times when it first opened even though the food was not very good, because we wanted to support a local business. In the end it was pointless when the Core, Los Gatos and the Hop etc are next door and have top quality food and service. I heard it was starting to improve with a new chef and was going to give it a chance again but clearly I am too late
I feel very sorry for the owners that they were not aware that the word around Old Town is that the food isnt very nice and the service not consistant. Many people including myself went lots of times when it first opened even though the food was not very good, because we wanted to support a local business. In the end it was pointless when the Core, Los Gatos and the Hop etc are next door and have top quality food and service. I heard it was starting to improve with a new chef and was going to give it a chance again but clearly I am too late michael36
  • Score: 13

2:26pm Thu 29 May 14

ChannelX says...

As I understand it, the owners had previously been teachers - possibly the worst background for anyone to have for entering the hospitality/service sector.
As I understand it, the owners had previously been teachers - possibly the worst background for anyone to have for entering the hospitality/service sector. ChannelX
  • Score: 9

2:38pm Thu 29 May 14

Hearditallbefore says...

Service was poor at best and quality the same,
Service was poor at best and quality the same, Hearditallbefore
  • Score: 10

2:52pm Thu 29 May 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

Taxation might have killed the business....but it was not business taxation that was at fault......it is taxation on people's income that is to blame.
If we were taxed less, there would be more money to spend and be shared between shops.
Taxation might have killed the business....but it was not business taxation that was at fault......it is taxation on people's income that is to blame. If we were taxed less, there would be more money to spend and be shared between shops. A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: 2

2:55pm Thu 29 May 14

Mukkin says...

Hearditallbefore wrote:
Service was poor at best and quality the same,
So the tax argument seems a bit of a smokescreen if these comments are to be believed, lets hope they sell their furniture on Ebay so they have no face to face contact, they may even be able to dodge a bit of tax lol
[quote][p][bold]Hearditallbefore[/bold] wrote: Service was poor at best and quality the same,[/p][/quote]So the tax argument seems a bit of a smokescreen if these comments are to be believed, lets hope they sell their furniture on Ebay so they have no face to face contact, they may even be able to dodge a bit of tax lol Mukkin
  • Score: 5

3:38pm Thu 29 May 14

DavidSteven says...

Sad to see a new business fail, the placed looked great but the service was rubbish.
Sad to see a new business fail, the placed looked great but the service was rubbish. DavidSteven
  • Score: 11

3:39pm Thu 29 May 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

I dont understand what the business is looking for out of this?
Tax office to say its ok dont pay tax? Hate to see another business going under but if you dont plan ahead what do you expect.

I have been there a few times and thought service and food to be poor. They have said nobody tells you how difficult it will be??? So no research at all and they didnt talk to anyone in s similar position.
Yes business is tough but this reads as though it was set up on a whim.

Although as someone mentioned if they are selling off furniture would like to know some lovely pieces.
I dont understand what the business is looking for out of this? Tax office to say its ok dont pay tax? Hate to see another business going under but if you dont plan ahead what do you expect. I have been there a few times and thought service and food to be poor. They have said nobody tells you how difficult it will be??? So no research at all and they didnt talk to anyone in s similar position. Yes business is tough but this reads as though it was set up on a whim. Although as someone mentioned if they are selling off furniture would like to know some lovely pieces. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 0

3:40pm Thu 29 May 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

stfcdod wrote:
Surely the lesson to be learned here is that you must do your homework first, instead of just hoping that you're going to make a fortune.
Correct, how you have been marked down for this is a mystery.
[quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: Surely the lesson to be learned here is that you must do your homework first, instead of just hoping that you're going to make a fortune.[/p][/quote]Correct, how you have been marked down for this is a mystery. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 2

4:13pm Thu 29 May 14

Sir Fawn Maker says...

From all these postings of poor service and food, it doesn't sound very "popular". Maybe the adver staff got discounts and it was well rated in their office for that reason
From all these postings of poor service and food, it doesn't sound very "popular". Maybe the adver staff got discounts and it was well rated in their office for that reason Sir Fawn Maker
  • Score: 6

4:16pm Thu 29 May 14

dave158 says...

Just mentioned this around the office - overwhelming opinion that people had great hopes when it first opened but the service was slow and the food expensive with small portions of a low quality so people didnt return
Just mentioned this around the office - overwhelming opinion that people had great hopes when it first opened but the service was slow and the food expensive with small portions of a low quality so people didnt return dave158
  • Score: 13

4:58pm Thu 29 May 14

beach1e says...

Maybe the headline should be changed to"not very good service forces cafe to close down" judging by the huge amount of comments..im really surprised. goes to show how important word of mouth can be...bad service always gets talked about more than good service.
Maybe the headline should be changed to"not very good service forces cafe to close down" judging by the huge amount of comments..im really surprised. goes to show how important word of mouth can be...bad service always gets talked about more than good service. beach1e
  • Score: 13

5:13pm Thu 29 May 14

l4u9208 says...

I must say that having read this article and the comments that have been made.
It's such a shame that a small business has gone out of business. I have been here a number of times with my grandparents and have had a lovely brunch and the staff are more than friendly!
We should be supporting a local business rather than slating it. People will be without jobs and it is such a shame that it is closing.
I must say that having read this article and the comments that have been made. It's such a shame that a small business has gone out of business. I have been here a number of times with my grandparents and have had a lovely brunch and the staff are more than friendly! We should be supporting a local business rather than slating it. People will be without jobs and it is such a shame that it is closing. l4u9208
  • Score: -2

5:44pm Thu 29 May 14

Hearditallbefore says...

Poor service/quality/pric
es = closed.
Poor service/quality/pric es = closed. Hearditallbefore
  • Score: 5

5:57pm Thu 29 May 14

IfItsONtheNet says...

l4u9208 wrote:
I must say that having read this article and the comments that have been made.
It's such a shame that a small business has gone out of business. I have been here a number of times with my grandparents and have had a lovely brunch and the staff are more than friendly!
We should be supporting a local business rather than slating it. People will be without jobs and it is such a shame that it is closing.
You would appear to be the lucky ones.
With all due respect it is no longer a business of any kind.

Although owners have blamed taxes if this many people have said they had negative experiences it is no wonder it closed.
A cafe / bar that offers lunch etc who cannot get high tea right really need to look at themselves rather than blaming something that effects everyone.
[quote][p][bold]l4u9208[/bold] wrote: I must say that having read this article and the comments that have been made. It's such a shame that a small business has gone out of business. I have been here a number of times with my grandparents and have had a lovely brunch and the staff are more than friendly! We should be supporting a local business rather than slating it. People will be without jobs and it is such a shame that it is closing.[/p][/quote]You would appear to be the lucky ones. With all due respect it is no longer a business of any kind. Although owners have blamed taxes if this many people have said they had negative experiences it is no wonder it closed. A cafe / bar that offers lunch etc who cannot get high tea right really need to look at themselves rather than blaming something that effects everyone. IfItsONtheNet
  • Score: 4

6:11pm Thu 29 May 14

ChannelX says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
stfcdod wrote:
Surely the lesson to be learned here is that you must do your homework first, instead of just hoping that you're going to make a fortune.
Correct, how you have been marked down for this is a mystery.
It is odd - I also got downvoted for pointing out that the reason things cost so much in this country is largely due to the massive levels of tax and duty on petrol.

If you can name me any high street shop, bar or restaurant that doesn't have to pay delivery charges for any of their stock, please go ahead.

And let's not forget good old VAT at 20% on virtually everything you buy.

'Cost of living crisis'? I wonder why. It's what happens when we're forced to fund a system that's now actually even worse than communism.
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: Surely the lesson to be learned here is that you must do your homework first, instead of just hoping that you're going to make a fortune.[/p][/quote]Correct, how you have been marked down for this is a mystery.[/p][/quote]It is odd - I also got downvoted for pointing out that the reason things cost so much in this country is largely due to the massive levels of tax and duty on petrol. If you can name me any high street shop, bar or restaurant that doesn't have to pay delivery charges for any of their stock, please go ahead. And let's not forget good old VAT at 20% on virtually everything you buy. 'Cost of living crisis'? I wonder why. It's what happens when we're forced to fund a system that's now actually even worse than communism. ChannelX
  • Score: -3

6:36pm Thu 29 May 14

trustnopolitician says...

Homework not done wasit?

Not much sympathy for these owners - sounds from the comments that not only did they not research enough but were arrogant with customers. That is not a good combination.
Homework not done wasit? Not much sympathy for these owners - sounds from the comments that not only did they not research enough but were arrogant with customers. That is not a good combination. trustnopolitician
  • Score: 10

6:58pm Thu 29 May 14

southside7 says...

The food was good and the service was only a bit sporadic because they gave youngsters a chance, which those with patience were willing to support. Good place to go for those not obsessed with alcohol and seeking something a bit different from provincial chain pub and chips plastic gastro sh*te. Very depressed to see this close, thanks for giving it a shot.
The food was good and the service was only a bit sporadic because they gave youngsters a chance, which those with patience were willing to support. Good place to go for those not obsessed with alcohol and seeking something a bit different from provincial chain pub and chips plastic gastro sh*te. Very depressed to see this close, thanks for giving it a shot. southside7
  • Score: 1

7:44pm Thu 29 May 14

Oldtownmum says...

southside7 wrote:
The food was good and the service was only a bit sporadic because they gave youngsters a chance, which those with patience were willing to support. Good place to go for those not obsessed with alcohol and seeking something a bit different from provincial chain pub and chips plastic gastro sh*te. Very depressed to see this close, thanks for giving it a shot.
The lady that was brusque and a bit ride was the owner! You don't win repeat customers that way I'm afraid.
[quote][p][bold]southside7[/bold] wrote: The food was good and the service was only a bit sporadic because they gave youngsters a chance, which those with patience were willing to support. Good place to go for those not obsessed with alcohol and seeking something a bit different from provincial chain pub and chips plastic gastro sh*te. Very depressed to see this close, thanks for giving it a shot.[/p][/quote]The lady that was brusque and a bit ride was the owner! You don't win repeat customers that way I'm afraid. Oldtownmum
  • Score: 13

7:52pm Thu 29 May 14

Wildwestener says...

Oldtownmum wrote:
southside7 wrote:
The food was good and the service was only a bit sporadic because they gave youngsters a chance, which those with patience were willing to support. Good place to go for those not obsessed with alcohol and seeking something a bit different from provincial chain pub and chips plastic gastro sh*te. Very depressed to see this close, thanks for giving it a shot.
The lady that was brusque and a bit ride was the owner! You don't win repeat customers that way I'm afraid.
I'm afraid that was our experience too. Such a shame, could have been so nice.
[quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southside7[/bold] wrote: The food was good and the service was only a bit sporadic because they gave youngsters a chance, which those with patience were willing to support. Good place to go for those not obsessed with alcohol and seeking something a bit different from provincial chain pub and chips plastic gastro sh*te. Very depressed to see this close, thanks for giving it a shot.[/p][/quote]The lady that was brusque and a bit ride was the owner! You don't win repeat customers that way I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]I'm afraid that was our experience too. Such a shame, could have been so nice. Wildwestener
  • Score: 11

7:06am Fri 30 May 14

house on the hill says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Taxation might have killed the business....but it was not business taxation that was at fault......it is taxation on people's income that is to blame.
If we were taxed less, there would be more money to spend and be shared between shops.
So what would you cut then is there were less taxes, what would you not provide at taxpayers expense that you wouldn't be able to afford?
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: Taxation might have killed the business....but it was not business taxation that was at fault......it is taxation on people's income that is to blame. If we were taxed less, there would be more money to spend and be shared between shops.[/p][/quote]So what would you cut then is there were less taxes, what would you not provide at taxpayers expense that you wouldn't be able to afford? house on the hill
  • Score: -1

10:47am Fri 30 May 14

The Zax says...

Curious to front page such a non-story. Friends of the editor, schadenfreude or perhaps a combination of both.
Curious to front page such a non-story. Friends of the editor, schadenfreude or perhaps a combination of both. The Zax
  • Score: 0

11:22am Fri 30 May 14

Hearditallbefore says...

All old town business are friends of the newspaper.
Always free advertising for their mates.
In this case not needed now lol
All old town business are friends of the newspaper. Always free advertising for their mates. In this case not needed now lol Hearditallbefore
  • Score: -2

12:17pm Fri 30 May 14

ChannelX says...

SockPuppet wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
SockPuppet wrote:
Sad news.
Maybe if Corporations paid their fair share of tax we could reduce tax on small business...
So if you were offered a legal way of paying no tax and putting more money in your pocket you wouldn't take it? I am guessing then you have never done work or had work done for cash and defrauded the tax man or never bought any bootleg fags or booze or dvd's etc? Why are we blaming others for doing thing we do ourselves and please don't start mentioning morals, since when has anyone been moral over money, we all shop for the best deals and dont care if other shops go bust, why should we expect others to be any different. Blame Govt for not have proper laws, not pretty much everyone in the country who takes advantage one way or another.
Whether I blame the Corporations for greed or the Government for allowing the greed it still stands that the concept of tax avoidance is wrong.
The loop holes aren't changed as those in charge are those that benefit the most.
Bringing it down to a comparison of a bloke in a pub saving money of fags vs a multi national that employs people to systematically reduce the out goings into our government coffers seems a little out of proportion.
But that's the issue, it's not 'one bloke' down the pub, it's a couple of million blokes down the pub.
[quote][p][bold]SockPuppet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SockPuppet[/bold] wrote: Sad news. Maybe if Corporations paid their fair share of tax we could reduce tax on small business...[/p][/quote]So if you were offered a legal way of paying no tax and putting more money in your pocket you wouldn't take it? I am guessing then you have never done work or had work done for cash and defrauded the tax man or never bought any bootleg fags or booze or dvd's etc? Why are we blaming others for doing thing we do ourselves and please don't start mentioning morals, since when has anyone been moral over money, we all shop for the best deals and dont care if other shops go bust, why should we expect others to be any different. Blame Govt for not have proper laws, not pretty much everyone in the country who takes advantage one way or another.[/p][/quote]Whether I blame the Corporations for greed or the Government for allowing the greed it still stands that the concept of tax avoidance is wrong. The loop holes aren't changed as those in charge are those that benefit the most. Bringing it down to a comparison of a bloke in a pub saving money of fags vs a multi national that employs people to systematically reduce the out goings into our government coffers seems a little out of proportion.[/p][/quote]But that's the issue, it's not 'one bloke' down the pub, it's a couple of million blokes down the pub. ChannelX
  • Score: 0

12:40pm Fri 30 May 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

house on the hill wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Taxation might have killed the business....but it was not business taxation that was at fault......it is taxation on people's income that is to blame.
If we were taxed less, there would be more money to spend and be shared between shops.
So what would you cut then is there were less taxes, what would you not provide at taxpayers expense that you wouldn't be able to afford?
we could reduce the size of the state in half without losing too much at all
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: Taxation might have killed the business....but it was not business taxation that was at fault......it is taxation on people's income that is to blame. If we were taxed less, there would be more money to spend and be shared between shops.[/p][/quote]So what would you cut then is there were less taxes, what would you not provide at taxpayers expense that you wouldn't be able to afford?[/p][/quote]we could reduce the size of the state in half without losing too much at all A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: 0

12:53pm Fri 30 May 14

house on the hill says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Taxation might have killed the business....but it was not business taxation that was at fault......it is taxation on people's income that is to blame.
If we were taxed less, there would be more money to spend and be shared between shops.
So what would you cut then is there were less taxes, what would you not provide at taxpayers expense that you wouldn't be able to afford?
we could reduce the size of the state in half without losing too much at all
That's a very good politicians non answer! How about some specifics then?
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: Taxation might have killed the business....but it was not business taxation that was at fault......it is taxation on people's income that is to blame. If we were taxed less, there would be more money to spend and be shared between shops.[/p][/quote]So what would you cut then is there were less taxes, what would you not provide at taxpayers expense that you wouldn't be able to afford?[/p][/quote]we could reduce the size of the state in half without losing too much at all[/p][/quote]That's a very good politicians non answer! How about some specifics then? house on the hill
  • Score: 0

12:53pm Fri 30 May 14

house on the hill says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Taxation might have killed the business....but it was not business taxation that was at fault......it is taxation on people's income that is to blame.
If we were taxed less, there would be more money to spend and be shared between shops.
So what would you cut then is there were less taxes, what would you not provide at taxpayers expense that you wouldn't be able to afford?
we could reduce the size of the state in half without losing too much at all
That's a very good politicians non answer! How about some specifics then?
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: Taxation might have killed the business....but it was not business taxation that was at fault......it is taxation on people's income that is to blame. If we were taxed less, there would be more money to spend and be shared between shops.[/p][/quote]So what would you cut then is there were less taxes, what would you not provide at taxpayers expense that you wouldn't be able to afford?[/p][/quote]we could reduce the size of the state in half without losing too much at all[/p][/quote]That's a very good politicians non answer! How about some specifics then? house on the hill
  • Score: 0

1:16pm Fri 30 May 14

IfItsONtheNet says...

ChannelX wrote:
SockPuppet wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
SockPuppet wrote:
Sad news.
Maybe if Corporations paid their fair share of tax we could reduce tax on small business...
So if you were offered a legal way of paying no tax and putting more money in your pocket you wouldn't take it? I am guessing then you have never done work or had work done for cash and defrauded the tax man or never bought any bootleg fags or booze or dvd's etc? Why are we blaming others for doing thing we do ourselves and please don't start mentioning morals, since when has anyone been moral over money, we all shop for the best deals and dont care if other shops go bust, why should we expect others to be any different. Blame Govt for not have proper laws, not pretty much everyone in the country who takes advantage one way or another.
Whether I blame the Corporations for greed or the Government for allowing the greed it still stands that the concept of tax avoidance is wrong.
The loop holes aren't changed as those in charge are those that benefit the most.
Bringing it down to a comparison of a bloke in a pub saving money of fags vs a multi national that employs people to systematically reduce the out goings into our government coffers seems a little out of proportion.
But that's the issue, it's not 'one bloke' down the pub, it's a couple of million blokes down the pub.
Just to understand this correctly, government ok to "avoid" tax and allow allied business to do the same but not for as you say "bloke in the pub" by definition bloke in the pub is buying drinks which are taxed etc...

Is one company avoiding millions better than man in the street buying a packet of fags VAT free?
If so why?
Please dont say because they provide jobs,,,as we have seen local businesses (cake and ale) state they could of stayed in business for longer if they could of paid less tax (I imagine this would be the same for many others)
Are laws only for the people and not for the law makers?
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SockPuppet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SockPuppet[/bold] wrote: Sad news. Maybe if Corporations paid their fair share of tax we could reduce tax on small business...[/p][/quote]So if you were offered a legal way of paying no tax and putting more money in your pocket you wouldn't take it? I am guessing then you have never done work or had work done for cash and defrauded the tax man or never bought any bootleg fags or booze or dvd's etc? Why are we blaming others for doing thing we do ourselves and please don't start mentioning morals, since when has anyone been moral over money, we all shop for the best deals and dont care if other shops go bust, why should we expect others to be any different. Blame Govt for not have proper laws, not pretty much everyone in the country who takes advantage one way or another.[/p][/quote]Whether I blame the Corporations for greed or the Government for allowing the greed it still stands that the concept of tax avoidance is wrong. The loop holes aren't changed as those in charge are those that benefit the most. Bringing it down to a comparison of a bloke in a pub saving money of fags vs a multi national that employs people to systematically reduce the out goings into our government coffers seems a little out of proportion.[/p][/quote]But that's the issue, it's not 'one bloke' down the pub, it's a couple of million blokes down the pub.[/p][/quote]Just to understand this correctly, government ok to "avoid" tax and allow allied business to do the same but not for as you say "bloke in the pub" by definition bloke in the pub is buying drinks which are taxed etc... Is one company avoiding millions better than man in the street buying a packet of fags VAT free? If so why? Please dont say because they provide jobs,,,as we have seen local businesses (cake and ale) state they could of stayed in business for longer if they could of paid less tax (I imagine this would be the same for many others) Are laws only for the people and not for the law makers? IfItsONtheNet
  • Score: -2

3:21pm Fri 30 May 14

daws says...

Mukkin wrote:
daws wrote:
Very hard work running a café, most people go into the trade thinking they ll make a fast buck stood behind a counter making fancy coffees but trust me, long hours, lots to do behind the scenes and staff to manage all add up. 6 months free rent should of set them on the way, most businesses take years to make any real money, so Mukkins point of wannebes isn't that far off the mark.
I speak of experience Daws, I don't normally comment unless I've experienced it or know facts, I ran my business for 15 years along side working a normal job PAYE, sometimes working more than 70 hours a week, planning it, establishing it, paying off any debts to set the business up, also learning the pitfalls along the way.

To read a sob story of someone who's gone to the papers because they failed after what really was 6 months out in the real world ( they were cushioned for the other 6) people like this can be seen on property programmes on tv, fly by night wannabes who I have no sympathy for :-D
Fair point Mukkin, in the trade myself , 6 years now, tough , very tough times but im not willing to roll over and walk away. The recession didn't help as well as many other pitfalls I cant and wont mention but still trading and for the first time things are looking up. These people are obviously not out of the same mould and want to get out now without putting a real effort in cutting their losses,
[quote][p][bold]Mukkin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]daws[/bold] wrote: Very hard work running a café, most people go into the trade thinking they ll make a fast buck stood behind a counter making fancy coffees but trust me, long hours, lots to do behind the scenes and staff to manage all add up. 6 months free rent should of set them on the way, most businesses take years to make any real money, so Mukkins point of wannebes isn't that far off the mark.[/p][/quote]I speak of experience Daws, I don't normally comment unless I've experienced it or know facts, I ran my business for 15 years along side working a normal job PAYE, sometimes working more than 70 hours a week, planning it, establishing it, paying off any debts to set the business up, also learning the pitfalls along the way. To read a sob story of someone who's gone to the papers because they failed after what really was 6 months out in the real world ( they were cushioned for the other 6) people like this can be seen on property programmes on tv, fly by night wannabes who I have no sympathy for :-D[/p][/quote]Fair point Mukkin, in the trade myself , 6 years now, tough , very tough times but im not willing to roll over and walk away. The recession didn't help as well as many other pitfalls I cant and wont mention but still trading and for the first time things are looking up. These people are obviously not out of the same mould and want to get out now without putting a real effort in cutting their losses, daws
  • Score: 2

3:41pm Fri 30 May 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

house on the hill wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Taxation might have killed the business....but it was not business taxation that was at fault......it is taxation on people's income that is to blame.
If we were taxed less, there would be more money to spend and be shared between shops.
So what would you cut then is there were less taxes, what would you not provide at taxpayers expense that you wouldn't be able to afford?
we could reduce the size of the state in half without losing too much at all
That's a very good politicians non answer! How about some specifics then?
Well very simply we should let private companies own and run our biggest and most expensive services:
NSH, Education, Pensions

And in the meantime, we should create a Sovereign wealth fund to pay off our National Debt, reduce overal taxation and increase our spending budget/investment capacities

I would also like to add that we should have it enshrined in our Constitution that no Government is allowed to run a budget deficit and should a deficit be incurred this would trigger automatic General Elections.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: Taxation might have killed the business....but it was not business taxation that was at fault......it is taxation on people's income that is to blame. If we were taxed less, there would be more money to spend and be shared between shops.[/p][/quote]So what would you cut then is there were less taxes, what would you not provide at taxpayers expense that you wouldn't be able to afford?[/p][/quote]we could reduce the size of the state in half without losing too much at all[/p][/quote]That's a very good politicians non answer! How about some specifics then?[/p][/quote]Well very simply we should let private companies own and run our biggest and most expensive services: NSH, Education, Pensions And in the meantime, we should create a Sovereign wealth fund to pay off our National Debt, reduce overal taxation and increase our spending budget/investment capacities I would also like to add that we should have it enshrined in our Constitution that no Government is allowed to run a budget deficit and should a deficit be incurred this would trigger automatic General Elections. A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: -2

4:28pm Sat 31 May 14

LordCharles says...

Research, research, research. Then - location, location, location. For a whole week and weekend I sat in my car outside a shop I was thinking of buying. I counted the people going in and calculated their spend based on a national average for that kind of shop (a greengrocers). It seemed Ok but the shop was a bit run down as they were having marital problems. I knew that the national average distance people walked from their parked cars for shopping was just 70 metres and this shop had a car park right outside. We bought the shop and trebled the turnover and sold it some years later for ten times what we paid. There are lots of dreamers out there who don't do the research. A simple walk around the cafe that's closing would have put me off - no nearby car park, busy road junction, four other cafés in the area (one next doors), no nearby bus stops and no "magnet" shops like supermarkets or provisions shops. Very sad.
Research, research, research. Then - location, location, location. For a whole week and weekend I sat in my car outside a shop I was thinking of buying. I counted the people going in and calculated their spend based on a national average for that kind of shop (a greengrocers). It seemed Ok but the shop was a bit run down as they were having marital problems. I knew that the national average distance people walked from their parked cars for shopping was just 70 metres and this shop had a car park right outside. We bought the shop and trebled the turnover and sold it some years later for ten times what we paid. There are lots of dreamers out there who don't do the research. A simple walk around the cafe that's closing would have put me off - no nearby car park, busy road junction, four other cafés in the area (one next doors), no nearby bus stops and no "magnet" shops like supermarkets or provisions shops. Very sad. LordCharles
  • Score: 5

4:43pm Sat 31 May 14

LordCharles says...

By the way VAT is not a tax you have to pay from your profit. You collect it from your customers and pass it on to the Revenue. It was never yours in the first place. That could be one reason why you failed. You banked the Revenue's money and used it for something else. You could have stayed VAT unregistered until you exceeded the turnover threshold £81,000 a year, then you have to register. I doubt if you came anywhere near that turnover in the short time you were there. Not a good excuse there.
By the way VAT is not a tax you have to pay from your profit. You collect it from your customers and pass it on to the Revenue. It was never yours in the first place. That could be one reason why you failed. You banked the Revenue's money and used it for something else. You could have stayed VAT unregistered until you exceeded the turnover threshold £81,000 a year, then you have to register. I doubt if you came anywhere near that turnover in the short time you were there. Not a good excuse there. LordCharles
  • Score: 6

9:42pm Sun 1 Jun 14

eminencegris says...

I don't recognise from my own experience the description of poor food or unfriendly service at all. I thought Cakes and Ale was trying to do something imaginative, but I can see why they ran into problems and ultimately folded. I think they might have thrived in a different town, and I'm sorry to see them go.
I don't recognise from my own experience the description of poor food or unfriendly service at all. I thought Cakes and Ale was trying to do something imaginative, but I can see why they ran into problems and ultimately folded. I think they might have thrived in a different town, and I'm sorry to see them go. eminencegris
  • Score: 0

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