Drivers seeing red over green queues

This Is Wiltshire: Traffic queueing through Cheney Manor to get to the tip Traffic queueing through Cheney Manor to get to the tip

CHENEY Manor Recycling Centre has been overrun with huge queues of frustrated motorists attempting to get rid of their green waste in the rising heat.

Yesterday saw waits of more than an hour-and-a-half along Darby Close, with many drivers giving up and turning away.

Swindon Council have said uptake for the new paid green waste collections are increasing rapidly, and plans are being drawn up for a new recycling centre in East Swindon to relieve the pressure.

Graham Goodall, 66, of Bishopstone, said he would not be returning after a number of long waits.

“I came here a week ago and it was exactly the same,” he said. “I don’t generally come to the tip but every time I come it is the same.

“This is the last time I will come, otherwise I will be tearing my hair out.”

Reg Smith, 65, of Park North, started coming to the tip to avoid the green waste charges.

“This is the first time I have started to come to the tip,” he said. “I’ve only been here three times this month, and this is the busiest I have seen it.

“I started to come because of the council’s cut backs because they won’t take the rubbish any more. That makes people bring all their grass and cuttings down here so the queues get bigger.

“Oxford have got a lot of these tips scattered all over the place but we’ve only got the one. We pay our tax so they should at least be taking our rubbish away.”

Jane Fry, 61, of Old Town, had to turn back at about 2pm after staying for more than an hour just to try and dispose of a lawnmower.

“I spent 40 minutes out on the road and then another 20 on the site,” she said.

“Once you are in there it’s very hard to get out again and I had to ask to be let out. The foreman told me to go at 7pm when it would have been quiet but that’s not the point.”

Rose Cotton, 75, of Greenmeadow, was also bringing her garden cuttings.

“I have been here for half an hour already if not more,” she said.

“They have stopped collecting green rubbish and started charging for it, so everyone comes here now. I have got green rubbish and I think you will find everyone here does.

“With the summer people are mowing their lawns every week so it’s only getting worse. It will cost the council more in the long run because they are having to put more staff on here to control the cars and they will have to clear all this stuff from the tip eventually.

“They need to stop charging and start collecting at the door again.”

Richard Hurley, cabinet member for public protection, housing and Streetsmart, said: “It could well be that this is something to do with the green waste, but what I would say is that we are up to nearly 10,000 sign ups now.

“We are at the time of the year where registrations are growing fast. We are looking at ways to alleviate the problems, perhaps with another outlet to the east of Swindon, which is in its formative stages at the moment.

“If you are going to have a bad day there it is going to be a Monday or a bank holiday. Even when we brought in the four bag rule we didn’t have more people at Cheney Manor than we did before. I would say that this is just a blip.

“The outlet to the east is in the early stages. We have real estate to the east of Swindon we are looking at. It will definitely happen, it is just a question of when.

“Cheney Manor is not an ideal place for the centre because it is right in the middle of everything.”

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7:06am Tue 3 Jun 14

We're all doomed says...

How can this be good for the environment? Dozens of people driving personnel cars from all over Swindon, then sitting in traffic with engines running or being turned off and on repeatedly.
The counsel aren't being green they're only interested in cost cutting.
If there are plans to build another site in east Swindon, why introduce pay for green waste collection and two weekly collections until it's up and running.
How can this be good for the environment? Dozens of people driving personnel cars from all over Swindon, then sitting in traffic with engines running or being turned off and on repeatedly. The counsel aren't being green they're only interested in cost cutting. If there are plans to build another site in east Swindon, why introduce pay for green waste collection and two weekly collections until it's up and running. We're all doomed
  • Score: 56

7:22am Tue 3 Jun 14

Chowmai says...

Have to be honest we begrudgingly paid for a green bin ...and I now would not be without it. It's brilliant!
No more struggling to get green waste into flimsy plastic bags that burst and spill contents everywhere. No more bags filling up with rain water so the bag splits and 'slurry' spills everywhere I can wheel the bin next to the hedge and the trimmings, if I am careful fall right into it and I'm now getting in the habit of throwing all my fruit and veg waste in it as well.
We used to put out green waste bags AND do tip runs but the green bin is now my garden buddy and this is one SBC idea that I like.
Have to be honest we begrudgingly paid for a green bin ...and I now would not be without it. It's brilliant! No more struggling to get green waste into flimsy plastic bags that burst and spill contents everywhere. No more bags filling up with rain water so the bag splits and 'slurry' spills everywhere I can wheel the bin next to the hedge and the trimmings, if I am careful fall right into it and I'm now getting in the habit of throwing all my fruit and veg waste in it as well. We used to put out green waste bags AND do tip runs but the green bin is now my garden buddy and this is one SBC idea that I like. Chowmai
  • Score: 6

7:59am Tue 3 Jun 14

umpcah says...

We're all doomed wrote:
How can this be good for the environment? Dozens of people driving personnel cars from all over Swindon, then sitting in traffic with engines running or being turned off and on repeatedly.
The counsel aren't being green they're only interested in cost cutting.
If there are plans to build another site in east Swindon, why introduce pay for green waste collection and two weekly collections until it's up and running.
It`s NOT good for the environment ! Additionally the inevitable increase of late night dumping into hedgerows and backstreets wont be good either !
[quote][p][bold]We're all doomed[/bold] wrote: How can this be good for the environment? Dozens of people driving personnel cars from all over Swindon, then sitting in traffic with engines running or being turned off and on repeatedly. The counsel aren't being green they're only interested in cost cutting. If there are plans to build another site in east Swindon, why introduce pay for green waste collection and two weekly collections until it's up and running.[/p][/quote]It`s NOT good for the environment ! Additionally the inevitable increase of late night dumping into hedgerows and backstreets wont be good either ! umpcah
  • Score: 60

8:05am Tue 3 Jun 14

beach1e says...

If you have room in your general waste put your green waste in there. This council dont give a stuff about recycling. I have banged on about the importance of recycling for years but since this council decided to withdraw the paid for service in January, they have cured me of the recycling bug.Well done Swindon, i dont have cans and bottles knocking around the kitchen anymore...straight in the general waste bin, i dont have to buy green bags anymore as it too goes straight in the general waste bin..saves me money. You only have to look at the rubbish now dumped in the street to see what a disaster this move has been..Well done Swindon council and your arrogant "we do what we like" attitude.
If you have room in your general waste put your green waste in there. This council dont give a stuff about recycling. I have banged on about the importance of recycling for years but since this council decided to withdraw the paid for service in January, they have cured me of the recycling bug.Well done Swindon, i dont have cans and bottles knocking around the kitchen anymore...straight in the general waste bin, i dont have to buy green bags anymore as it too goes straight in the general waste bin..saves me money. You only have to look at the rubbish now dumped in the street to see what a disaster this move has been..Well done Swindon council and your arrogant "we do what we like" attitude. beach1e
  • Score: 68

8:27am Tue 3 Jun 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

My one bag a month of green waste goes in the household waste bin. With the new facility to turn virtually all of the household waste into fuel pellets there is no need to feel guilty about it either.

The green waste service is just a council tax increase by the back door, allowing the councillors to claim no rises in bills to please their overlords in government.

As for the recycling center its been a joke for a while with regards to the queuing and the time taken to drop stuff off. As always the council are now having to react rather than having planned capacity for the massively increasing town.
My one bag a month of green waste goes in the household waste bin. With the new facility to turn virtually all of the household waste into fuel pellets there is no need to feel guilty about it either. The green waste service is just a council tax increase by the back door, allowing the councillors to claim no rises in bills to please their overlords in government. As for the recycling center its been a joke for a while with regards to the queuing and the time taken to drop stuff off. As always the council are now having to react rather than having planned capacity for the massively increasing town. LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: 53

8:31am Tue 3 Jun 14

gambon says...

just put it in general waste bin it will help the land fill sites as they will have some green waste in them for when they are full up the green waste will have a chance
just put it in general waste bin it will help the land fill sites as they will have some green waste in them for when they are full up the green waste will have a chance gambon
  • Score: 32

8:31am Tue 3 Jun 14

nobody says...

What a surprise!
What a surprise! nobody
  • Score: 24

8:49am Tue 3 Jun 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

I bet they do not complain so much when waiting at the hospital.......
I bet they do not complain so much when waiting at the hospital....... A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: -33

9:13am Tue 3 Jun 14

LordCharles says...

The trips to the recycling centre will get more and more congested because of the decision to make people fill large green wheelie bins with loose green waste. The bins are too large for elderly or infirm people and they don't allow plastic bags in the bins. This means elderly or infirm people cannot move green wheelie bins when they are full green waste. It could hold 100 kilogrammes of wet green waste. Older people could probably however manage bags of green waste which can be taken one by one to their front gates the evening before, or the morning of the green waste collection. So now more and more bags of green waste will be taken to the centre by older people or their relatives because it is easier than humping a heavy wheelie bin about. Also some people don't want to pay the charge for this service. It's cheaper to accumulate several months of green waste in green bags and do one trip to the tip. Why can't all the clever people at Swindon Refuse department find biodegradable paper bags that can be loaded into empty green wheelie bins. This way the empty wheelie bin could be put at the gate and the older person could easily put the biodegradable bags in it one by one for collection day. Older people have the time for that but not the strength for large wheelie bins.
The trips to the recycling centre will get more and more congested because of the decision to make people fill large green wheelie bins with loose green waste. The bins are too large for elderly or infirm people and they don't allow plastic bags in the bins. This means elderly or infirm people cannot move green wheelie bins when they are full green waste. It could hold 100 kilogrammes of wet green waste. Older people could probably however manage bags of green waste which can be taken one by one to their front gates the evening before, or the morning of the green waste collection. So now more and more bags of green waste will be taken to the centre by older people or their relatives because it is easier than humping a heavy wheelie bin about. Also some people don't want to pay the charge for this service. It's cheaper to accumulate several months of green waste in green bags and do one trip to the tip. Why can't all the clever people at Swindon Refuse department find biodegradable paper bags that can be loaded into empty green wheelie bins. This way the empty wheelie bin could be put at the gate and the older person could easily put the biodegradable bags in it one by one for collection day. Older people have the time for that but not the strength for large wheelie bins. LordCharles
  • Score: 10

9:17am Tue 3 Jun 14

LordCharles says...

Chowmai wrote:
Have to be honest we begrudgingly paid for a green bin ...and I now would not be without it. It's brilliant!
No more struggling to get green waste into flimsy plastic bags that burst and spill contents everywhere. No more bags filling up with rain water so the bag splits and 'slurry' spills everywhere I can wheel the bin next to the hedge and the trimmings, if I am careful fall right into it and I'm now getting in the habit of throwing all my fruit and veg waste in it as well.
We used to put out green waste bags AND do tip runs but the green bin is now my garden buddy and this is one SBC idea that I like.
Yes if you are fit and healthy. But if you are infirm or elderly? How do you manage a wheelie bin full of wet grass cutting?>
[quote][p][bold]Chowmai[/bold] wrote: Have to be honest we begrudgingly paid for a green bin ...and I now would not be without it. It's brilliant! No more struggling to get green waste into flimsy plastic bags that burst and spill contents everywhere. No more bags filling up with rain water so the bag splits and 'slurry' spills everywhere I can wheel the bin next to the hedge and the trimmings, if I am careful fall right into it and I'm now getting in the habit of throwing all my fruit and veg waste in it as well. We used to put out green waste bags AND do tip runs but the green bin is now my garden buddy and this is one SBC idea that I like.[/p][/quote]Yes if you are fit and healthy. But if you are infirm or elderly? How do you manage a wheelie bin full of wet grass cutting?> LordCharles
  • Score: 11

9:18am Tue 3 Jun 14

Wildwestener says...

SBC have really shot themselves in the foot with this and Mr Hurley, it is not a blip, you are talking rubbish - literally. It's bad enough for people queuing but the businesses along Darby Close and nearby in the industrial estate must be tearing their hair out.
Bring back the universal green waste collection as part of the Council tax, some of us pay a lot and seem to get sweet FA out of our council tax payments.
SBC have really shot themselves in the foot with this and Mr Hurley, it is not a blip, you are talking rubbish - literally. It's bad enough for people queuing but the businesses along Darby Close and nearby in the industrial estate must be tearing their hair out. Bring back the universal green waste collection as part of the Council tax, some of us pay a lot and seem to get sweet FA out of our council tax payments. Wildwestener
  • Score: 52

9:25am Tue 3 Jun 14

Davey Gravey says...

This was always going to happen. It now costs us more for this cut in service too. People had the chance to get rid of the awful Tory party as others offered solutions to this but people couldn't be bothered to vote. If you didn't vote and this **** you off then tough.
This was always going to happen. It now costs us more for this cut in service too. People had the chance to get rid of the awful Tory party as others offered solutions to this but people couldn't be bothered to vote. If you didn't vote and this **** you off then tough. Davey Gravey
  • Score: 12

9:30am Tue 3 Jun 14

Morsey says...

Swindon people ... there was an opportunity to show this 'Couldn't care less' Council that this was a totally unworkable venture to save (waste) Council Tax payers' money ... but you voted for more of the same!!!

WE bought green bins as it was an admission that the Tories could not manage without this increase in Council Tax by the back door! If the system had been included in CT, then it would have been more sense, but this IS a Tory/LibDemTacticalT
ory VotingEastcott administration, so what do people expect.

More Council Tax to pay for services as per inflationary costs, or expect more of this shambles and elsewhere in the system.

Incidentally, the green wheelie bin collection went into the next day around Greenmeadow for the first time last week.
Swindon people ... there was an opportunity to show this 'Couldn't care less' Council that this was a totally unworkable venture to save (waste) Council Tax payers' money ... but you voted for more of the same!!! WE bought green bins as it was an admission that the Tories could not manage without this increase in Council Tax by the back door! If the system had been included in CT, then it would have been more sense, but this IS a Tory/LibDemTacticalT ory VotingEastcott administration, so what do people expect. More Council Tax to pay for services as per inflationary costs, or expect more of this shambles and elsewhere in the system. Incidentally, the green wheelie bin collection went into the next day around Greenmeadow for the first time last week. Morsey
  • Score: 6

9:32am Tue 3 Jun 14

scottwichall says...

This is not so much caused by the withdrawing of the "free" green waste facility, I think it's caused by the insanity of having ONE small centrally located recycling facility, rather than many smaller facilities spread throughout our various estates in the town.

I remember laughing my socks off when they moved from the old tip in Barnfield Road, and they were so proud of the fact they had space for an extra couple of cars to be tipping at the same time. Considering they were in the process of building up to 10k homes at Abbey Meads, it was painfully obvious that this would be the final situation.

The motto of Swindon should be "Pay more, get less". And the vast majority of the "Pay more" happened when this was a Labour run council, lest we forget the vast increases in council tax that occurred on their watch.
This is not so much caused by the withdrawing of the "free" green waste facility, I think it's caused by the insanity of having ONE small centrally located recycling facility, rather than many smaller facilities spread throughout our various estates in the town. I remember laughing my socks off when they moved from the old tip in Barnfield Road, and they were so proud of the fact they had space for an extra couple of cars to be tipping at the same time. Considering they were in the process of building up to 10k homes at Abbey Meads, it was painfully obvious that this would be the final situation. The motto of Swindon should be "Pay more, get less". And the vast majority of the "Pay more" happened when this was a Labour run council, lest we forget the vast increases in council tax that occurred on their watch. scottwichall
  • Score: 3

9:36am Tue 3 Jun 14

BelleMayne says...

It's ridiculous to say this is 'a blip', the tip always has very large queues, ok, maybe not always a 90 minute wait but frequently around a 60 minute wait. This is why I've noticed so much more fly-tipping in the last 6-12 months around the outer edges of Swindon, on places like the Ridgeway where I've seen anything from old household appliances to old office chairs dumped in scenic country areas.
It's ridiculous to say this is 'a blip', the tip always has very large queues, ok, maybe not always a 90 minute wait but frequently around a 60 minute wait. This is why I've noticed so much more fly-tipping in the last 6-12 months around the outer edges of Swindon, on places like the Ridgeway where I've seen anything from old household appliances to old office chairs dumped in scenic country areas. BelleMayne
  • Score: 33

9:43am Tue 3 Jun 14

scottwichall says...

I shall just re-iterate this statement to see if I can get some more downthumbs from the lefties:
"The motto of Swindon should be "Pay more, get less". And the vast majority of the "Pay more" happened when this was a Labour run council, lest we forget the vast increases in council tax that occurred on their watch."
I shall just re-iterate this statement to see if I can get some more downthumbs from the lefties: "The motto of Swindon should be "Pay more, get less". And the vast majority of the "Pay more" happened when this was a Labour run council, lest we forget the vast increases in council tax that occurred on their watch." scottwichall
  • Score: 6

9:48am Tue 3 Jun 14

Davey Gravey says...

scottwichall wrote:
I shall just re-iterate this statement to see if I can get some more downthumbs from the lefties:
"The motto of Swindon should be "Pay more, get less". And the vast majority of the "Pay more" happened when this was a Labour run council, lest we forget the vast increases in council tax that occurred on their watch."
Inflation and improvements cost more. Making things better isn't going to cost less. What we have here is a service cut which is costing more than the previous arrangement.
[quote][p][bold]scottwichall[/bold] wrote: I shall just re-iterate this statement to see if I can get some more downthumbs from the lefties: "The motto of Swindon should be "Pay more, get less". And the vast majority of the "Pay more" happened when this was a Labour run council, lest we forget the vast increases in council tax that occurred on their watch."[/p][/quote]Inflation and improvements cost more. Making things better isn't going to cost less. What we have here is a service cut which is costing more than the previous arrangement. Davey Gravey
  • Score: 24

9:52am Tue 3 Jun 14

scottwichall says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
scottwichall wrote:
I shall just re-iterate this statement to see if I can get some more downthumbs from the lefties:
"The motto of Swindon should be "Pay more, get less". And the vast majority of the "Pay more" happened when this was a Labour run council, lest we forget the vast increases in council tax that occurred on their watch."
Inflation and improvements cost more. Making things better isn't going to cost less. What we have here is a service cut which is costing more than the previous arrangement.
It was nothing to do with inflation Davey, and well you know it. At the time, we saw a huge increase in public sector, final salaried pension employment, to either no net gain, or small increases in services.

Swindon Council has a huge pension liability, and there is no way that the current staff can pay enough in to cover it. Hence we will see continuous increases in costs, and slashing of services. Eventually we will end up paying 2 grand a year for sod all.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scottwichall[/bold] wrote: I shall just re-iterate this statement to see if I can get some more downthumbs from the lefties: "The motto of Swindon should be "Pay more, get less". And the vast majority of the "Pay more" happened when this was a Labour run council, lest we forget the vast increases in council tax that occurred on their watch."[/p][/quote]Inflation and improvements cost more. Making things better isn't going to cost less. What we have here is a service cut which is costing more than the previous arrangement.[/p][/quote]It was nothing to do with inflation Davey, and well you know it. At the time, we saw a huge increase in public sector, final salaried pension employment, to either no net gain, or small increases in services. Swindon Council has a huge pension liability, and there is no way that the current staff can pay enough in to cover it. Hence we will see continuous increases in costs, and slashing of services. Eventually we will end up paying 2 grand a year for sod all. scottwichall
  • Score: 18

9:56am Tue 3 Jun 14

Ollie Dognacky says...

scottwichall wrote:
I shall just re-iterate this statement to see if I can get some more downthumbs from the lefties:
"The motto of Swindon should be "Pay more, get less". And the vast majority of the "Pay more" happened when this was a Labour run council, lest we forget the vast increases in council tax that occurred on their watch."
Blooody 'ell.
How long ago was that? 😏
[quote][p][bold]scottwichall[/bold] wrote: I shall just re-iterate this statement to see if I can get some more downthumbs from the lefties: "The motto of Swindon should be "Pay more, get less". And the vast majority of the "Pay more" happened when this was a Labour run council, lest we forget the vast increases in council tax that occurred on their watch."[/p][/quote]Blooody 'ell. How long ago was that? 😏 Ollie Dognacky
  • Score: 11

9:58am Tue 3 Jun 14

scottwichall says...

Ollie Dognacky wrote:
scottwichall wrote:
I shall just re-iterate this statement to see if I can get some more downthumbs from the lefties:
"The motto of Swindon should be "Pay more, get less". And the vast majority of the "Pay more" happened when this was a Labour run council, lest we forget the vast increases in council tax that occurred on their watch."
Blooody 'ell.
How long ago was that? 😏
It doesn't matter how long ago it was, the simple fact is that council tax nearly tripled under Labour.

I do not blame the local administration for this though, as far as I can see, this was mainly driven by the huge burden imposed by the central Labour government with all their petty regulations and requirements.
[quote][p][bold]Ollie Dognacky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scottwichall[/bold] wrote: I shall just re-iterate this statement to see if I can get some more downthumbs from the lefties: "The motto of Swindon should be "Pay more, get less". And the vast majority of the "Pay more" happened when this was a Labour run council, lest we forget the vast increases in council tax that occurred on their watch."[/p][/quote]Blooody 'ell. How long ago was that? 😏[/p][/quote]It doesn't matter how long ago it was, the simple fact is that council tax nearly tripled under Labour. I do not blame the local administration for this though, as far as I can see, this was mainly driven by the huge burden imposed by the central Labour government with all their petty regulations and requirements. scottwichall
  • Score: 2

10:01am Tue 3 Jun 14

umpcah says...

BelleMayne wrote:
It's ridiculous to say this is 'a blip', the tip always has very large queues, ok, maybe not always a 90 minute wait but frequently around a 60 minute wait. This is why I've noticed so much more fly-tipping in the last 6-12 months around the outer edges of Swindon, on places like the Ridgeway where I've seen anything from old household appliances to old office chairs dumped in scenic country areas.
" frequently around a 60 minute wait " . True and bear in mind the petrol consumption during the time one spends with the car engine running together with continual stopping and starting. It`s probably cheaper to have the green rubbish collected by the council !
[quote][p][bold]BelleMayne[/bold] wrote: It's ridiculous to say this is 'a blip', the tip always has very large queues, ok, maybe not always a 90 minute wait but frequently around a 60 minute wait. This is why I've noticed so much more fly-tipping in the last 6-12 months around the outer edges of Swindon, on places like the Ridgeway where I've seen anything from old household appliances to old office chairs dumped in scenic country areas.[/p][/quote]" frequently around a 60 minute wait " . True and bear in mind the petrol consumption during the time one spends with the car engine running together with continual stopping and starting. It`s probably cheaper to have the green rubbish collected by the council ! umpcah
  • Score: 9

10:03am Tue 3 Jun 14

Wildwestener says...

scottwichall wrote:
Ollie Dognacky wrote:
scottwichall wrote:
I shall just re-iterate this statement to see if I can get some more downthumbs from the lefties:
"The motto of Swindon should be "Pay more, get less". And the vast majority of the "Pay more" happened when this was a Labour run council, lest we forget the vast increases in council tax that occurred on their watch."
Blooody 'ell.
How long ago was that? 😏
It doesn't matter how long ago it was, the simple fact is that council tax nearly tripled under Labour.

I do not blame the local administration for this though, as far as I can see, this was mainly driven by the huge burden imposed by the central Labour government with all their petty regulations and requirements.
So why hasn't that regulation gone down under the present government, along with associated costs?

Sick of hearing: It was Labour's fault, it was the Tory's fault. All the same - useless and self serving
[quote][p][bold]scottwichall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ollie Dognacky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scottwichall[/bold] wrote: I shall just re-iterate this statement to see if I can get some more downthumbs from the lefties: "The motto of Swindon should be "Pay more, get less". And the vast majority of the "Pay more" happened when this was a Labour run council, lest we forget the vast increases in council tax that occurred on their watch."[/p][/quote]Blooody 'ell. How long ago was that? 😏[/p][/quote]It doesn't matter how long ago it was, the simple fact is that council tax nearly tripled under Labour. I do not blame the local administration for this though, as far as I can see, this was mainly driven by the huge burden imposed by the central Labour government with all their petty regulations and requirements.[/p][/quote]So why hasn't that regulation gone down under the present government, along with associated costs? Sick of hearing: It was Labour's fault, it was the Tory's fault. All the same - useless and self serving Wildwestener
  • Score: 22

10:11am Tue 3 Jun 14

umpcah says...

“Cheney Manor is not an ideal place for the centre because it is right in the middle of everything.” The Rodbourne area of town has always been chosen for receiving Swindon`s rubbish for many decades regardless of changing boundaries . Planning ? That`s probably for other towns !
“Cheney Manor is not an ideal place for the centre because it is right in the middle of everything.” The Rodbourne area of town has always been chosen for receiving Swindon`s rubbish for many decades regardless of changing boundaries . Planning ? That`s probably for other towns ! umpcah
  • Score: 13

10:34am Tue 3 Jun 14

Richard Symonds says...

How Predictable!!

And Richard Hurley did not see that coming either!

How long will it be before people make a Green Deposit at the Council Offices at Euclid Street or start to put Green Waste in the Black bins at the bottom out of sight?
How Predictable!! And Richard Hurley did not see that coming either! How long will it be before people make a Green Deposit at the Council Offices at Euclid Street or start to put Green Waste in the Black bins at the bottom out of sight? Richard Symonds
  • Score: 25

10:45am Tue 3 Jun 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
scottwichall wrote:
I shall just re-iterate this statement to see if I can get some more downthumbs from the lefties:
"The motto of Swindon should be "Pay more, get less". And the vast majority of the "Pay more" happened when this was a Labour run council, lest we forget the vast increases in council tax that occurred on their watch."
Inflation and improvements cost more. Making things better isn't going to cost less. What we have here is a service cut which is costing more than the previous arrangement.
Garden waste is not household waste! it is a personal choice and not every one in Swindon has a garden or one requiring collection, clearly why should the community bear the cost of garden collections?
The users should be the payers! and the council is 200% right to charge an individual fee for the service.
This is about personal responsibility, you create mess therefore you pay for it to get it cleared, I know for a lot of people this comes as a shock but anywhere else in the World this is the norm.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scottwichall[/bold] wrote: I shall just re-iterate this statement to see if I can get some more downthumbs from the lefties: "The motto of Swindon should be "Pay more, get less". And the vast majority of the "Pay more" happened when this was a Labour run council, lest we forget the vast increases in council tax that occurred on their watch."[/p][/quote]Inflation and improvements cost more. Making things better isn't going to cost less. What we have here is a service cut which is costing more than the previous arrangement.[/p][/quote]Garden waste is not household waste! it is a personal choice and not every one in Swindon has a garden or one requiring collection, clearly why should the community bear the cost of garden collections? The users should be the payers! and the council is 200% right to charge an individual fee for the service. This is about personal responsibility, you create mess therefore you pay for it to get it cleared, I know for a lot of people this comes as a shock but anywhere else in the World this is the norm. A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: -33

10:52am Tue 3 Jun 14

Grumble Grumble says...

I was there at the weekend and looking at other peoples cars there wasn't much green waste being taken there, mostly people with bigger furniture items or other household things. The issue with the queues there is more to do with the size of the centre rather than the new green waste collection charges.
I'll have more things to take there soon so I'll look a the live camera feed on their website to see how busy it is then go on a quiet evening.
I was there at the weekend and looking at other peoples cars there wasn't much green waste being taken there, mostly people with bigger furniture items or other household things. The issue with the queues there is more to do with the size of the centre rather than the new green waste collection charges. I'll have more things to take there soon so I'll look a the live camera feed on their website to see how busy it is then go on a quiet evening. Grumble Grumble
  • Score: 5

11:14am Tue 3 Jun 14

FLOGGITLAD says...

if you go to dorcan ind estate, and rive up Edison road, on the left, where a factory used to be, there is now a large hard standing left, that has been empty for years, so why not put another outlet there, or do we have to provide ideas and maps to the council....
recent visit to shaw, showed green bags outside houses all over the place..
if you go to dorcan ind estate, and rive up Edison road, on the left, where a factory used to be, there is now a large hard standing left, that has been empty for years, so why not put another outlet there, or do we have to provide ideas and maps to the council.... recent visit to shaw, showed green bags outside houses all over the place.. FLOGGITLAD
  • Score: 12

11:24am Tue 3 Jun 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
This was always going to happen. It now costs us more for this cut in service too. People had the chance to get rid of the awful Tory party as others offered solutions to this but people couldn't be bothered to vote. If you didn't vote and this **** you off then tough.
To be fair other parties offered "solutions" but never once said how they'd pay for them.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: This was always going to happen. It now costs us more for this cut in service too. People had the chance to get rid of the awful Tory party as others offered solutions to this but people couldn't be bothered to vote. If you didn't vote and this **** you off then tough.[/p][/quote]To be fair other parties offered "solutions" but never once said how they'd pay for them. The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: -4

11:26am Tue 3 Jun 14

HeavyRain says...

Loads of moaning in the article and comments, but no-one's actually posted the link to the recycling centre webcam - which at least may prevent some wasted journeys: http://www.swindon.g
ov.uk/ep/ep-wasterec
ycling/Pages/ep-wast
erecycling-household
wasterecyclingcentre
.aspx
Loads of moaning in the article and comments, but no-one's actually posted the link to the recycling centre webcam - which at least may prevent some wasted journeys: http://www.swindon.g ov.uk/ep/ep-wasterec ycling/Pages/ep-wast erecycling-household wasterecyclingcentre .aspx HeavyRain
  • Score: 0

11:54am Tue 3 Jun 14

Thoughtfulness says...

I assume the lorries collecting green waste from the folks that paid the 'bin fee' still drive up and down every road in town, like before. So the collection costs are virtually unchanged, they just collect a fraction of what they did before.
I assume the lorries collecting green waste from the folks that paid the 'bin fee' still drive up and down every road in town, like before. So the collection costs are virtually unchanged, they just collect a fraction of what they did before. Thoughtfulness
  • Score: 27

11:55am Tue 3 Jun 14

mikesgta says...

I just love how this Comments section attracts Tory councillors to come on here and try to blame Labour for all the problems today. No wonder where in this mess as they never take responsibility for there own actions and want to blame a party from 14 years ago for Swindon's problems, now that is laughable.
I just love how this Comments section attracts Tory councillors to come on here and try to blame Labour for all the problems today. No wonder where in this mess as they never take responsibility for there own actions and want to blame a party from 14 years ago for Swindon's problems, now that is laughable. mikesgta
  • Score: 8

12:10pm Tue 3 Jun 14

IfItsONtheNet says...

Just more issues complaining about SBC the fact they are useless is not new but judging by recent votes the people of Swindon are happy with this?
I think Shakespeare had the best example in Julius Cesar.

In many towns and cities two and three bins are not an uncommon sight. Some of my family live away and they pay for general waste and the recycle green bin to be taken away every two weeks (you can select what size bin you require) the brown bio bin is free but if you compost this one rarely fills.
If you create more waste why shouldnt you pay more?
Charges should be covered by taxes, to say I shouldnt pay towards this because I dont have a garden is just silly, what would stop others saying I dont have children why should I pay towards those that do and a myriad of other things that dont effect everyone that pays taxes.

If you want to be able to just throw everything into a hole and let future generations worry about it vote UKIP they will scrap all green initiatives but please check that you are happy with other policies first.
Just more issues complaining about SBC the fact they are useless is not new but judging by recent votes the people of Swindon are happy with this? I think Shakespeare had the best example in Julius Cesar. In many towns and cities two and three bins are not an uncommon sight. Some of my family live away and they pay for general waste and the recycle green bin to be taken away every two weeks (you can select what size bin you require) the brown bio bin is free but if you compost this one rarely fills. If you create more waste why shouldnt you pay more? Charges should be covered by taxes, to say I shouldnt pay towards this because I dont have a garden is just silly, what would stop others saying I dont have children why should I pay towards those that do and a myriad of other things that dont effect everyone that pays taxes. If you want to be able to just throw everything into a hole and let future generations worry about it vote UKIP they will scrap all green initiatives but please check that you are happy with other policies first. IfItsONtheNet
  • Score: 0

12:34pm Tue 3 Jun 14

IzzyP says...

Get yourself a compost bin instead of a green waste bin, no queuing, no lugging it about and it all goes back Into the ground. Will take most of your garden waste and a lot of your kitchen waste too. If you don't want the resulting compost there are local gardeners that do.
Get yourself a compost bin instead of a green waste bin, no queuing, no lugging it about and it all goes back Into the ground. Will take most of your garden waste and a lot of your kitchen waste too. If you don't want the resulting compost there are local gardeners that do. IzzyP
  • Score: 10

12:41pm Tue 3 Jun 14

house on the hill says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
scottwichall wrote:
I shall just re-iterate this statement to see if I can get some more downthumbs from the lefties:
"The motto of Swindon should be "Pay more, get less". And the vast majority of the "Pay more" happened when this was a Labour run council, lest we forget the vast increases in council tax that occurred on their watch."
Inflation and improvements cost more. Making things better isn't going to cost less. What we have here is a service cut which is costing more than the previous arrangement.
Garden waste is not household waste! it is a personal choice and not every one in Swindon has a garden or one requiring collection, clearly why should the community bear the cost of garden collections?
The users should be the payers! and the council is 200% right to charge an individual fee for the service.
This is about personal responsibility, you create mess therefore you pay for it to get it cleared, I know for a lot of people this comes as a shock but anywhere else in the World this is the norm.
Have to say I totally agree with you. Why should some pay for services that they may not use themselves based purely on the size of house they have and where they live. I bet if your electricity was charged on that basis rather than what you used there would be uproar. So much double standards in today's society.
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scottwichall[/bold] wrote: I shall just re-iterate this statement to see if I can get some more downthumbs from the lefties: "The motto of Swindon should be "Pay more, get less". And the vast majority of the "Pay more" happened when this was a Labour run council, lest we forget the vast increases in council tax that occurred on their watch."[/p][/quote]Inflation and improvements cost more. Making things better isn't going to cost less. What we have here is a service cut which is costing more than the previous arrangement.[/p][/quote]Garden waste is not household waste! it is a personal choice and not every one in Swindon has a garden or one requiring collection, clearly why should the community bear the cost of garden collections? The users should be the payers! and the council is 200% right to charge an individual fee for the service. This is about personal responsibility, you create mess therefore you pay for it to get it cleared, I know for a lot of people this comes as a shock but anywhere else in the World this is the norm.[/p][/quote]Have to say I totally agree with you. Why should some pay for services that they may not use themselves based purely on the size of house they have and where they live. I bet if your electricity was charged on that basis rather than what you used there would be uproar. So much double standards in today's society. house on the hill
  • Score: -20

12:52pm Tue 3 Jun 14

beach1e says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
scottwichall wrote:
I shall just re-iterate this statement to see if I can get some more downthumbs from the lefties:
"The motto of Swindon should be "Pay more, get less". And the vast majority of the "Pay more" happened when this was a Labour run council, lest we forget the vast increases in council tax that occurred on their watch."
Inflation and improvements cost more. Making things better isn't going to cost less. What we have here is a service cut which is costing more than the previous arrangement.
Garden waste is not household waste! it is a personal choice and not every one in Swindon has a garden or one requiring collection, clearly why should the community bear the cost of garden collections?
The users should be the payers! and the council is 200% right to charge an individual fee for the service.
This is about personal responsibility, you create mess therefore you pay for it to get it cleared, I know for a lot of people this comes as a shock but anywhere else in the World this is the norm.
having children is also a choice yet childless people have to pay for them....if the council tax reflected the number of occupants in a dwelling it would be far fairer, but we dont live in a fair world, and this council has no respect for the people that pay their huge overblown salaries..
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scottwichall[/bold] wrote: I shall just re-iterate this statement to see if I can get some more downthumbs from the lefties: "The motto of Swindon should be "Pay more, get less". And the vast majority of the "Pay more" happened when this was a Labour run council, lest we forget the vast increases in council tax that occurred on their watch."[/p][/quote]Inflation and improvements cost more. Making things better isn't going to cost less. What we have here is a service cut which is costing more than the previous arrangement.[/p][/quote]Garden waste is not household waste! it is a personal choice and not every one in Swindon has a garden or one requiring collection, clearly why should the community bear the cost of garden collections? The users should be the payers! and the council is 200% right to charge an individual fee for the service. This is about personal responsibility, you create mess therefore you pay for it to get it cleared, I know for a lot of people this comes as a shock but anywhere else in the World this is the norm.[/p][/quote]having children is also a choice yet childless people have to pay for them....if the council tax reflected the number of occupants in a dwelling it would be far fairer, but we dont live in a fair world, and this council has no respect for the people that pay their huge overblown salaries.. beach1e
  • Score: 18

12:52pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Ollie Dognacky says...

Swindon Borough Clownskool strikes again
😜
Swindon Borough Clownskool strikes again 😜 Ollie Dognacky
  • Score: -2

12:58pm Tue 3 Jun 14

house on the hill says...

scottwichall wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
scottwichall wrote:
I shall just re-iterate this statement to see if I can get some more downthumbs from the lefties:
"The motto of Swindon should be "Pay more, get less". And the vast majority of the "Pay more" happened when this was a Labour run council, lest we forget the vast increases in council tax that occurred on their watch."
Inflation and improvements cost more. Making things better isn't going to cost less. What we have here is a service cut which is costing more than the previous arrangement.
It was nothing to do with inflation Davey, and well you know it. At the time, we saw a huge increase in public sector, final salaried pension employment, to either no net gain, or small increases in services.

Swindon Council has a huge pension liability, and there is no way that the current staff can pay enough in to cover it. Hence we will see continuous increases in costs, and slashing of services. Eventually we will end up paying 2 grand a year for sod all.
Not sure if you have ever worked at the council, but if you have then you would know that they are massively over staffed and inefficient and could get rid of around 25% of the real dead wood and actually improve services and save a fortune. Anyone who has worked in both the private and public sector will tell you how much waste goes on (pun intended) in the public sector. And now they are looking to stay with Crapita that will waste even more money as they have to clear up the mess of Capita not delivering on time because they forgot to put proper penalty clauses in their contract.

Interesting fact though is that the overall tonnage of waste at the tip is about the same, so either people are making more journeys with less waste or choosing peak times rather than checking the webcam, not sure on that one.
[quote][p][bold]scottwichall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scottwichall[/bold] wrote: I shall just re-iterate this statement to see if I can get some more downthumbs from the lefties: "The motto of Swindon should be "Pay more, get less". And the vast majority of the "Pay more" happened when this was a Labour run council, lest we forget the vast increases in council tax that occurred on their watch."[/p][/quote]Inflation and improvements cost more. Making things better isn't going to cost less. What we have here is a service cut which is costing more than the previous arrangement.[/p][/quote]It was nothing to do with inflation Davey, and well you know it. At the time, we saw a huge increase in public sector, final salaried pension employment, to either no net gain, or small increases in services. Swindon Council has a huge pension liability, and there is no way that the current staff can pay enough in to cover it. Hence we will see continuous increases in costs, and slashing of services. Eventually we will end up paying 2 grand a year for sod all.[/p][/quote]Not sure if you have ever worked at the council, but if you have then you would know that they are massively over staffed and inefficient and could get rid of around 25% of the real dead wood and actually improve services and save a fortune. Anyone who has worked in both the private and public sector will tell you how much waste goes on (pun intended) in the public sector. And now they are looking to stay with Crapita that will waste even more money as they have to clear up the mess of Capita not delivering on time because they forgot to put proper penalty clauses in their contract. Interesting fact though is that the overall tonnage of waste at the tip is about the same, so either people are making more journeys with less waste or choosing peak times rather than checking the webcam, not sure on that one. house on the hill
  • Score: 3

1:15pm Tue 3 Jun 14

fuzzey says...

Thoughtfulness wrote:
I assume the lorries collecting green waste from the folks that paid the 'bin fee' still drive up and down every road in town, like before. So the collection costs are virtually unchanged, they just collect a fraction of what they did before.
Hi thoughtfulness .Your assumption is quite correct except it just costs more. But we do get to see 3 burly guys in a very smart green van driving down our road to empt one green bin (job done )
[quote][p][bold]Thoughtfulness[/bold] wrote: I assume the lorries collecting green waste from the folks that paid the 'bin fee' still drive up and down every road in town, like before. So the collection costs are virtually unchanged, they just collect a fraction of what they did before.[/p][/quote]Hi thoughtfulness .Your assumption is quite correct except it just costs more. But we do get to see 3 burly guys in a very smart green van driving down our road to empt one green bin (job done ) fuzzey
  • Score: 16

1:49pm Tue 3 Jun 14

ChannelX says...

If you generate garden waste that needs to be disposed of - and don't want to take it to the tip yourself - why on earth shouldn't you be expected to pay something towards the cost of it?

The new charge introduced by the council doesn't even come close to the true cost of collecting people's green waste so, don't worry, the rest of us are still subsidising it for you.
If you generate garden waste that needs to be disposed of - and don't want to take it to the tip yourself - why on earth shouldn't you be expected to pay something towards the cost of it? The new charge introduced by the council doesn't even come close to the true cost of collecting people's green waste so, don't worry, the rest of us are still subsidising it for you. ChannelX
  • Score: -6

1:56pm Tue 3 Jun 14

swindondad says...

So people are moaning about what it is costing them (in time / fuel / wear and tear) to take the green waste to the tip because they where too tight to pay for the council to collect it for them.

They did not pay their money so they now have no choice, Seems fare enough to me.
So people are moaning about what it is costing them (in time / fuel / wear and tear) to take the green waste to the tip because they where too tight to pay for the council to collect it for them. They did not pay their money so they now have no choice, Seems fare enough to me. swindondad
  • Score: -4

2:16pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Davidsyrett says...

Perhaps if would have been better to reduce the council tax for those who didn't want a collection.
Perhaps if would have been better to reduce the council tax for those who didn't want a collection. Davidsyrett
  • Score: 2

2:27pm Tue 3 Jun 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

beach1e wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
scottwichall wrote:
I shall just re-iterate this statement to see if I can get some more downthumbs from the lefties:
"The motto of Swindon should be "Pay more, get less". And the vast majority of the "Pay more" happened when this was a Labour run council, lest we forget the vast increases in council tax that occurred on their watch."
Inflation and improvements cost more. Making things better isn't going to cost less. What we have here is a service cut which is costing more than the previous arrangement.
Garden waste is not household waste! it is a personal choice and not every one in Swindon has a garden or one requiring collection, clearly why should the community bear the cost of garden collections?
The users should be the payers! and the council is 200% right to charge an individual fee for the service.
This is about personal responsibility, you create mess therefore you pay for it to get it cleared, I know for a lot of people this comes as a shock but anywhere else in the World this is the norm.
having children is also a choice yet childless people have to pay for them....if the council tax reflected the number of occupants in a dwelling it would be far fairer, but we dont live in a fair world, and this council has no respect for the people that pay their huge overblown salaries..
Education should be paid by the parents, I absolutely agree with this principle
And Garden waste collection should be paid by the polluters themselves, there is nothing unfair about it.
As for council tax calculation, I agree it should be per capita including children, the more people ( including children) in one household the more they should pay, since they use more of everything.
[quote][p][bold]beach1e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scottwichall[/bold] wrote: I shall just re-iterate this statement to see if I can get some more downthumbs from the lefties: "The motto of Swindon should be "Pay more, get less". And the vast majority of the "Pay more" happened when this was a Labour run council, lest we forget the vast increases in council tax that occurred on their watch."[/p][/quote]Inflation and improvements cost more. Making things better isn't going to cost less. What we have here is a service cut which is costing more than the previous arrangement.[/p][/quote]Garden waste is not household waste! it is a personal choice and not every one in Swindon has a garden or one requiring collection, clearly why should the community bear the cost of garden collections? The users should be the payers! and the council is 200% right to charge an individual fee for the service. This is about personal responsibility, you create mess therefore you pay for it to get it cleared, I know for a lot of people this comes as a shock but anywhere else in the World this is the norm.[/p][/quote]having children is also a choice yet childless people have to pay for them....if the council tax reflected the number of occupants in a dwelling it would be far fairer, but we dont live in a fair world, and this council has no respect for the people that pay their huge overblown salaries..[/p][/quote]Education should be paid by the parents, I absolutely agree with this principle And Garden waste collection should be paid by the polluters themselves, there is nothing unfair about it. As for council tax calculation, I agree it should be per capita including children, the more people ( including children) in one household the more they should pay, since they use more of everything. A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: 1

2:34pm Tue 3 Jun 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
beach1e wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
scottwichall wrote:
I shall just re-iterate this statement to see if I can get some more downthumbs from the lefties:
"The motto of Swindon should be "Pay more, get less". And the vast majority of the "Pay more" happened when this was a Labour run council, lest we forget the vast increases in council tax that occurred on their watch."
Inflation and improvements cost more. Making things better isn't going to cost less. What we have here is a service cut which is costing more than the previous arrangement.
Garden waste is not household waste! it is a personal choice and not every one in Swindon has a garden or one requiring collection, clearly why should the community bear the cost of garden collections?
The users should be the payers! and the council is 200% right to charge an individual fee for the service.
This is about personal responsibility, you create mess therefore you pay for it to get it cleared, I know for a lot of people this comes as a shock but anywhere else in the World this is the norm.
having children is also a choice yet childless people have to pay for them....if the council tax reflected the number of occupants in a dwelling it would be far fairer, but we dont live in a fair world, and this council has no respect for the people that pay their huge overblown salaries..
Education should be paid by the parents, I absolutely agree with this principle
And Garden waste collection should be paid by the polluters themselves, there is nothing unfair about it.
As for council tax calculation, I agree it should be per capita including children, the more people ( including children) in one household the more they should pay, since they use more of everything.
That was called the poll tax, and look what happened then....!
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beach1e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scottwichall[/bold] wrote: I shall just re-iterate this statement to see if I can get some more downthumbs from the lefties: "The motto of Swindon should be "Pay more, get less". And the vast majority of the "Pay more" happened when this was a Labour run council, lest we forget the vast increases in council tax that occurred on their watch."[/p][/quote]Inflation and improvements cost more. Making things better isn't going to cost less. What we have here is a service cut which is costing more than the previous arrangement.[/p][/quote]Garden waste is not household waste! it is a personal choice and not every one in Swindon has a garden or one requiring collection, clearly why should the community bear the cost of garden collections? The users should be the payers! and the council is 200% right to charge an individual fee for the service. This is about personal responsibility, you create mess therefore you pay for it to get it cleared, I know for a lot of people this comes as a shock but anywhere else in the World this is the norm.[/p][/quote]having children is also a choice yet childless people have to pay for them....if the council tax reflected the number of occupants in a dwelling it would be far fairer, but we dont live in a fair world, and this council has no respect for the people that pay their huge overblown salaries..[/p][/quote]Education should be paid by the parents, I absolutely agree with this principle And Garden waste collection should be paid by the polluters themselves, there is nothing unfair about it. As for council tax calculation, I agree it should be per capita including children, the more people ( including children) in one household the more they should pay, since they use more of everything.[/p][/quote]That was called the poll tax, and look what happened then....! LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: 3

2:49pm Tue 3 Jun 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
beach1e wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
scottwichall wrote:
I shall just re-iterate this statement to see if I can get some more downthumbs from the lefties:
"The motto of Swindon should be "Pay more, get less". And the vast majority of the "Pay more" happened when this was a Labour run council, lest we forget the vast increases in council tax that occurred on their watch."
Inflation and improvements cost more. Making things better isn't going to cost less. What we have here is a service cut which is costing more than the previous arrangement.
Garden waste is not household waste! it is a personal choice and not every one in Swindon has a garden or one requiring collection, clearly why should the community bear the cost of garden collections?
The users should be the payers! and the council is 200% right to charge an individual fee for the service.
This is about personal responsibility, you create mess therefore you pay for it to get it cleared, I know for a lot of people this comes as a shock but anywhere else in the World this is the norm.
having children is also a choice yet childless people have to pay for them....if the council tax reflected the number of occupants in a dwelling it would be far fairer, but we dont live in a fair world, and this council has no respect for the people that pay their huge overblown salaries..
Education should be paid by the parents, I absolutely agree with this principle
And Garden waste collection should be paid by the polluters themselves, there is nothing unfair about it.
As for council tax calculation, I agree it should be per capita including children, the more people ( including children) in one household the more they should pay, since they use more of everything.
That was called the poll tax, and look what happened then....!
I guess if the Poll tax was to be implemented today we have a very different looking crowd in the streets.
I say bring it on
[quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beach1e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scottwichall[/bold] wrote: I shall just re-iterate this statement to see if I can get some more downthumbs from the lefties: "The motto of Swindon should be "Pay more, get less". And the vast majority of the "Pay more" happened when this was a Labour run council, lest we forget the vast increases in council tax that occurred on their watch."[/p][/quote]Inflation and improvements cost more. Making things better isn't going to cost less. What we have here is a service cut which is costing more than the previous arrangement.[/p][/quote]Garden waste is not household waste! it is a personal choice and not every one in Swindon has a garden or one requiring collection, clearly why should the community bear the cost of garden collections? The users should be the payers! and the council is 200% right to charge an individual fee for the service. This is about personal responsibility, you create mess therefore you pay for it to get it cleared, I know for a lot of people this comes as a shock but anywhere else in the World this is the norm.[/p][/quote]having children is also a choice yet childless people have to pay for them....if the council tax reflected the number of occupants in a dwelling it would be far fairer, but we dont live in a fair world, and this council has no respect for the people that pay their huge overblown salaries..[/p][/quote]Education should be paid by the parents, I absolutely agree with this principle And Garden waste collection should be paid by the polluters themselves, there is nothing unfair about it. As for council tax calculation, I agree it should be per capita including children, the more people ( including children) in one household the more they should pay, since they use more of everything.[/p][/quote]That was called the poll tax, and look what happened then....![/p][/quote]I guess if the Poll tax was to be implemented today we have a very different looking crowd in the streets. I say bring it on A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: 5

3:04pm Tue 3 Jun 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
beach1e wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
scottwichall wrote:
I shall just re-iterate this statement to see if I can get some more downthumbs from the lefties:
"The motto of Swindon should be "Pay more, get less". And the vast majority of the "Pay more" happened when this was a Labour run council, lest we forget the vast increases in council tax that occurred on their watch."
Inflation and improvements cost more. Making things better isn't going to cost less. What we have here is a service cut which is costing more than the previous arrangement.
Garden waste is not household waste! it is a personal choice and not every one in Swindon has a garden or one requiring collection, clearly why should the community bear the cost of garden collections?
The users should be the payers! and the council is 200% right to charge an individual fee for the service.
This is about personal responsibility, you create mess therefore you pay for it to get it cleared, I know for a lot of people this comes as a shock but anywhere else in the World this is the norm.
having children is also a choice yet childless people have to pay for them....if the council tax reflected the number of occupants in a dwelling it would be far fairer, but we dont live in a fair world, and this council has no respect for the people that pay their huge overblown salaries..
Education should be paid by the parents, I absolutely agree with this principle
And Garden waste collection should be paid by the polluters themselves, there is nothing unfair about it.
As for council tax calculation, I agree it should be per capita including children, the more people ( including children) in one household the more they should pay, since they use more of everything.
Since when is garden waste (i.e. Tree branches, grass cuttings etc) pollution?

BTW, more people living in a house usually (but not always) means a bigger house. Bigger house = higher council tax.
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beach1e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scottwichall[/bold] wrote: I shall just re-iterate this statement to see if I can get some more downthumbs from the lefties: "The motto of Swindon should be "Pay more, get less". And the vast majority of the "Pay more" happened when this was a Labour run council, lest we forget the vast increases in council tax that occurred on their watch."[/p][/quote]Inflation and improvements cost more. Making things better isn't going to cost less. What we have here is a service cut which is costing more than the previous arrangement.[/p][/quote]Garden waste is not household waste! it is a personal choice and not every one in Swindon has a garden or one requiring collection, clearly why should the community bear the cost of garden collections? The users should be the payers! and the council is 200% right to charge an individual fee for the service. This is about personal responsibility, you create mess therefore you pay for it to get it cleared, I know for a lot of people this comes as a shock but anywhere else in the World this is the norm.[/p][/quote]having children is also a choice yet childless people have to pay for them....if the council tax reflected the number of occupants in a dwelling it would be far fairer, but we dont live in a fair world, and this council has no respect for the people that pay their huge overblown salaries..[/p][/quote]Education should be paid by the parents, I absolutely agree with this principle And Garden waste collection should be paid by the polluters themselves, there is nothing unfair about it. As for council tax calculation, I agree it should be per capita including children, the more people ( including children) in one household the more they should pay, since they use more of everything.[/p][/quote]Since when is garden waste (i.e. Tree branches, grass cuttings etc) pollution? BTW, more people living in a house usually (but not always) means a bigger house. Bigger house = higher council tax. The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: 9

5:43pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Wildwestener says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
beach1e wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
scottwichall wrote:
I shall just re-iterate this statement to see if I can get some more downthumbs from the lefties:
"The motto of Swindon should be "Pay more, get less". And the vast majority of the "Pay more" happened when this was a Labour run council, lest we forget the vast increases in council tax that occurred on their watch."
Inflation and improvements cost more. Making things better isn't going to cost less. What we have here is a service cut which is costing more than the previous arrangement.
Garden waste is not household waste! it is a personal choice and not every one in Swindon has a garden or one requiring collection, clearly why should the community bear the cost of garden collections?
The users should be the payers! and the council is 200% right to charge an individual fee for the service.
This is about personal responsibility, you create mess therefore you pay for it to get it cleared, I know for a lot of people this comes as a shock but anywhere else in the World this is the norm.
having children is also a choice yet childless people have to pay for them....if the council tax reflected the number of occupants in a dwelling it would be far fairer, but we dont live in a fair world, and this council has no respect for the people that pay their huge overblown salaries..
Education should be paid by the parents, I absolutely agree with this principle
And Garden waste collection should be paid by the polluters themselves, there is nothing unfair about it.
As for council tax calculation, I agree it should be per capita including children, the more people ( including children) in one household the more they should pay, since they use more of everything.
If you have kids, you pay for them (food, increased housing etc etc) and you pay taxes for amongst other things their education. If you don't have kids then you contribute towards other kids education as they are the people who will be looking after you in your old age and providing you with the services you will need then.
The argument that people choose to have kids is mainly true but thank goodness or we'd soon be finished as a species.
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beach1e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scottwichall[/bold] wrote: I shall just re-iterate this statement to see if I can get some more downthumbs from the lefties: "The motto of Swindon should be "Pay more, get less". And the vast majority of the "Pay more" happened when this was a Labour run council, lest we forget the vast increases in council tax that occurred on their watch."[/p][/quote]Inflation and improvements cost more. Making things better isn't going to cost less. What we have here is a service cut which is costing more than the previous arrangement.[/p][/quote]Garden waste is not household waste! it is a personal choice and not every one in Swindon has a garden or one requiring collection, clearly why should the community bear the cost of garden collections? The users should be the payers! and the council is 200% right to charge an individual fee for the service. This is about personal responsibility, you create mess therefore you pay for it to get it cleared, I know for a lot of people this comes as a shock but anywhere else in the World this is the norm.[/p][/quote]having children is also a choice yet childless people have to pay for them....if the council tax reflected the number of occupants in a dwelling it would be far fairer, but we dont live in a fair world, and this council has no respect for the people that pay their huge overblown salaries..[/p][/quote]Education should be paid by the parents, I absolutely agree with this principle And Garden waste collection should be paid by the polluters themselves, there is nothing unfair about it. As for council tax calculation, I agree it should be per capita including children, the more people ( including children) in one household the more they should pay, since they use more of everything.[/p][/quote]If you have kids, you pay for them (food, increased housing etc etc) and you pay taxes for amongst other things their education. If you don't have kids then you contribute towards other kids education as they are the people who will be looking after you in your old age and providing you with the services you will need then. The argument that people choose to have kids is mainly true but thank goodness or we'd soon be finished as a species. Wildwestener
  • Score: 6

6:03pm Tue 3 Jun 14

beach1e says...

so a new site has been thought of...so money will be spent for a feasiblity study no doubt along with all the wining and dining...then work will start which could be delayed for years as per the oasis, then it will cost to run the place.....great saving this unbelievably stupid council havent provided.
so a new site has been thought of...so money will be spent for a feasiblity study no doubt along with all the wining and dining...then work will start which could be delayed for years as per the oasis, then it will cost to run the place.....great saving this unbelievably stupid council havent provided. beach1e
  • Score: 10

6:52pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Morsey says...

We pay for dog mess bins, it costs 100s of thousands a year and 99.9% of residents do NOT really need a dog do they? At least greenery contributes towards improved health, all a dog does is cr@p all over parkland and walkways covering the Borough! As for paying for others' kids ... we were all children once, even Channel Xcess!

Green waste is one of the constituents of the old dustbin days, before recycling was forced upon us after the days of a separate newspaper collection for the good of all. Not everyone wants to compost as it encourages RATS ... and that is a fact ... this is the 21st Century and we though we were making some progress towards hygeine?
We pay for dog mess bins, it costs 100s of thousands a year and 99.9% of residents do NOT really need a dog do they? At least greenery contributes towards improved health, all a dog does is cr@p all over parkland and walkways covering the Borough! As for paying for others' kids ... we were all children once, even Channel Xcess! Green waste is one of the constituents of the old dustbin days, before recycling was forced upon us after the days of a separate newspaper collection for the good of all. Not everyone wants to compost as it encourages RATS ... and that is a fact ... this is the 21st Century and we though we were making some progress towards hygeine? Morsey
  • Score: -2

6:58pm Tue 3 Jun 14

trustnopolitician says...

Whatelse did expect from our incompetent council- the decision to withdraw green waste collection was never thought through
Whatelse did expect from our incompetent council- the decision to withdraw green waste collection was never thought through trustnopolitician
  • Score: 15

8:03pm Tue 3 Jun 14

We're all doomed says...

FLOGGITLAD wrote:
if you go to dorcan ind estate, and rive up Edison road, on the left, where a factory used to be, there is now a large hard standing left, that has been empty for years, so why not put another outlet there, or do we have to provide ideas and maps to the council....
recent visit to shaw, showed green bags outside houses all over the place..
Totally agree that this piece of land should be used for something. Why they haven't used this brown field sight that looks a mess for housing or something else positive instead the planning department allow houses to be built on a historic sight a Coate Water.
Who cares if they're Labour, Conservative or Jedi's they all need a large slice of common sense.
[quote][p][bold]FLOGGITLAD[/bold] wrote: if you go to dorcan ind estate, and rive up Edison road, on the left, where a factory used to be, there is now a large hard standing left, that has been empty for years, so why not put another outlet there, or do we have to provide ideas and maps to the council.... recent visit to shaw, showed green bags outside houses all over the place..[/p][/quote]Totally agree that this piece of land should be used for something. Why they haven't used this brown field sight that looks a mess for housing or something else positive instead the planning department allow houses to be built on a historic sight a Coate Water. Who cares if they're Labour, Conservative or Jedi's they all need a large slice of common sense. We're all doomed
  • Score: 4

8:08pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Davey Gravey says...

To those moaning about paying for public services. Part of being in a society is paying for the good of all sometimes. Just because you don't have a dog doesn't mean there shouldn't be dog bins. Just because you don't use green waste collection doesn't mean it shouldn't be collected. Just because you don't see your doctor much or use hospitals doesn't mean there shouldn't be an nhs. Etc, etc, etc.
To those moaning about paying for public services. Part of being in a society is paying for the good of all sometimes. Just because you don't have a dog doesn't mean there shouldn't be dog bins. Just because you don't use green waste collection doesn't mean it shouldn't be collected. Just because you don't see your doctor much or use hospitals doesn't mean there shouldn't be an nhs. Etc, etc, etc. Davey Gravey
  • Score: 17

9:11pm Tue 3 Jun 14

NorthernWarrior says...

Went Monday morning at @0845 and luckily got in just ahead of when they opened up the "ferry queue" lanes. However sitting in a line of cars for 20 mins stop/start engine or idling is not good for the vehicle or environment.

Have now reluctantly subscribed to a green bin but that doesn't eliminate the need to visit occasionally with other types of item. Isn't it also the case that places like Purton tip have closed which would previously relieve the pressure on the main site?
Went Monday morning at @0845 and luckily got in just ahead of when they opened up the "ferry queue" lanes. However sitting in a line of cars for 20 mins stop/start engine or idling is not good for the vehicle or environment. Have now reluctantly subscribed to a green bin but that doesn't eliminate the need to visit occasionally with other types of item. Isn't it also the case that places like Purton tip have closed which would previously relieve the pressure on the main site? NorthernWarrior
  • Score: 3

10:07pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Clippies says...

Let's just sack David Renard and get someone in charge who knows what they're doing. This Conservative Council keep bleating on how good they are for freezing Council Tax for the past 4 years (after the previous labour Council increased it by 42% in the previous 3), yet the keep cutting services and introducing stealth taxes.
Let's just sack David Renard and get someone in charge who knows what they're doing. This Conservative Council keep bleating on how good they are for freezing Council Tax for the past 4 years (after the previous labour Council increased it by 42% in the previous 3), yet the keep cutting services and introducing stealth taxes. Clippies
  • Score: 6

8:45am Wed 4 Jun 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

Wildwestener wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
beach1e wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
scottwichall wrote:
I shall just re-iterate this statement to see if I can get some more downthumbs from the lefties:
"The motto of Swindon should be "Pay more, get less". And the vast majority of the "Pay more" happened when this was a Labour run council, lest we forget the vast increases in council tax that occurred on their watch."
Inflation and improvements cost more. Making things better isn't going to cost less. What we have here is a service cut which is costing more than the previous arrangement.
Garden waste is not household waste! it is a personal choice and not every one in Swindon has a garden or one requiring collection, clearly why should the community bear the cost of garden collections?
The users should be the payers! and the council is 200% right to charge an individual fee for the service.
This is about personal responsibility, you create mess therefore you pay for it to get it cleared, I know for a lot of people this comes as a shock but anywhere else in the World this is the norm.
having children is also a choice yet childless people have to pay for them....if the council tax reflected the number of occupants in a dwelling it would be far fairer, but we dont live in a fair world, and this council has no respect for the people that pay their huge overblown salaries..
Education should be paid by the parents, I absolutely agree with this principle
And Garden waste collection should be paid by the polluters themselves, there is nothing unfair about it.
As for council tax calculation, I agree it should be per capita including children, the more people ( including children) in one household the more they should pay, since they use more of everything.
If you have kids, you pay for them (food, increased housing etc etc) and you pay taxes for amongst other things their education. If you don't have kids then you contribute towards other kids education as they are the people who will be looking after you in your old age and providing you with the services you will need then.
The argument that people choose to have kids is mainly true but thank goodness or we'd soon be finished as a species.
If you do not have kids, you can save, invest in a private pension, the idea that we need kids to pay for our old age is a myth!
I would be quite prepared to compromise though, the first child's education and health could be covered by the taxpayers but have a second child and this will be at your charge, we should be copying China not Mali
[quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beach1e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scottwichall[/bold] wrote: I shall just re-iterate this statement to see if I can get some more downthumbs from the lefties: "The motto of Swindon should be "Pay more, get less". And the vast majority of the "Pay more" happened when this was a Labour run council, lest we forget the vast increases in council tax that occurred on their watch."[/p][/quote]Inflation and improvements cost more. Making things better isn't going to cost less. What we have here is a service cut which is costing more than the previous arrangement.[/p][/quote]Garden waste is not household waste! it is a personal choice and not every one in Swindon has a garden or one requiring collection, clearly why should the community bear the cost of garden collections? The users should be the payers! and the council is 200% right to charge an individual fee for the service. This is about personal responsibility, you create mess therefore you pay for it to get it cleared, I know for a lot of people this comes as a shock but anywhere else in the World this is the norm.[/p][/quote]having children is also a choice yet childless people have to pay for them....if the council tax reflected the number of occupants in a dwelling it would be far fairer, but we dont live in a fair world, and this council has no respect for the people that pay their huge overblown salaries..[/p][/quote]Education should be paid by the parents, I absolutely agree with this principle And Garden waste collection should be paid by the polluters themselves, there is nothing unfair about it. As for council tax calculation, I agree it should be per capita including children, the more people ( including children) in one household the more they should pay, since they use more of everything.[/p][/quote]If you have kids, you pay for them (food, increased housing etc etc) and you pay taxes for amongst other things their education. If you don't have kids then you contribute towards other kids education as they are the people who will be looking after you in your old age and providing you with the services you will need then. The argument that people choose to have kids is mainly true but thank goodness or we'd soon be finished as a species.[/p][/quote]If you do not have kids, you can save, invest in a private pension, the idea that we need kids to pay for our old age is a myth! I would be quite prepared to compromise though, the first child's education and health could be covered by the taxpayers but have a second child and this will be at your charge, we should be copying China not Mali A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: 4

9:59am Wed 4 Jun 14

BCDR99 says...

NorthernWarrior wrote:
Went Monday morning at @0845 and luckily got in just ahead of when they opened up the "ferry queue" lanes. However sitting in a line of cars for 20 mins stop/start engine or idling is not good for the vehicle or environment.

Have now reluctantly subscribed to a green bin but that doesn't eliminate the need to visit occasionally with other types of item. Isn't it also the case that places like Purton tip have closed which would previously relieve the pressure on the main site?
Purton tip is not a Swindon overflow. It is for residents of Wiltshire Council only and they sometimes do post code checks. If you live within the boundaries of Swindon Council, you are not allowed to use Purton tip.

So someone from miles away could use Purton but if you live in Priory Vale (a mile up the road), you are technically not allowed to. When the new development at Ridgeway Farm is inhabited, residents will be in Wiltshire Council so can use the Purton tip but NOT the Swindon one, which they can almost see from their houses.

There's joined up thinking for you!!
[quote][p][bold]NorthernWarrior[/bold] wrote: Went Monday morning at @0845 and luckily got in just ahead of when they opened up the "ferry queue" lanes. However sitting in a line of cars for 20 mins stop/start engine or idling is not good for the vehicle or environment. Have now reluctantly subscribed to a green bin but that doesn't eliminate the need to visit occasionally with other types of item. Isn't it also the case that places like Purton tip have closed which would previously relieve the pressure on the main site?[/p][/quote]Purton tip is not a Swindon overflow. It is for residents of Wiltshire Council only and they sometimes do post code checks. If you live within the boundaries of Swindon Council, you are not allowed to use Purton tip. So someone from miles away could use Purton but if you live in Priory Vale (a mile up the road), you are technically not allowed to. When the new development at Ridgeway Farm is inhabited, residents will be in Wiltshire Council so can use the Purton tip but NOT the Swindon one, which they can almost see from their houses. There's joined up thinking for you!! BCDR99
  • Score: 1

10:00am Wed 4 Jun 14

BCDR99 says...

By "miles away", I mean that technically someone who lives in Salisbury can use Purton tip. But residents of Swindon can't.
By "miles away", I mean that technically someone who lives in Salisbury can use Purton tip. But residents of Swindon can't. BCDR99
  • Score: 3

10:19am Wed 4 Jun 14

nobody says...

The tip already had capacity issues, the green waste issue has just exacerbated it.
The tip already had capacity issues, the green waste issue has just exacerbated it. nobody
  • Score: 6

10:24am Wed 4 Jun 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
To those moaning about paying for public services. Part of being in a society is paying for the good of all sometimes. Just because you don't have a dog doesn't mean there shouldn't be dog bins. Just because you don't use green waste collection doesn't mean it shouldn't be collected. Just because you don't see your doctor much or use hospitals doesn't mean there shouldn't be an nhs. Etc, etc, etc.
This is the 21st century....States are on a diet, Society can still function perfectly fine without having and paying for a Nanny state!
The idea of Society is that you should be responsible for your own actions, and not be bailed out all the time at taxpayers expenses,
Yes as a community we should provide a temporary safety/social net, but the idea of providing lifestyle and non essential taxpayers funded services is ridiculous.
The users should pay, this is a fair and simple idea and it works!
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: To those moaning about paying for public services. Part of being in a society is paying for the good of all sometimes. Just because you don't have a dog doesn't mean there shouldn't be dog bins. Just because you don't use green waste collection doesn't mean it shouldn't be collected. Just because you don't see your doctor much or use hospitals doesn't mean there shouldn't be an nhs. Etc, etc, etc.[/p][/quote]This is the 21st century....States are on a diet, Society can still function perfectly fine without having and paying for a Nanny state! The idea of Society is that you should be responsible for your own actions, and not be bailed out all the time at taxpayers expenses, Yes as a community we should provide a temporary safety/social net, but the idea of providing lifestyle and non essential taxpayers funded services is ridiculous. The users should pay, this is a fair and simple idea and it works! A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: -18

11:47am Wed 4 Jun 14

ChannelX says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
To those moaning about paying for public services. Part of being in a society is paying for the good of all sometimes. Just because you don't have a dog doesn't mean there shouldn't be dog bins. Just because you don't use green waste collection doesn't mean it shouldn't be collected. Just because you don't see your doctor much or use hospitals doesn't mean there shouldn't be an nhs. Etc, etc, etc.
Who decides what 'the good of all' is?

You?
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: To those moaning about paying for public services. Part of being in a society is paying for the good of all sometimes. Just because you don't have a dog doesn't mean there shouldn't be dog bins. Just because you don't use green waste collection doesn't mean it shouldn't be collected. Just because you don't see your doctor much or use hospitals doesn't mean there shouldn't be an nhs. Etc, etc, etc.[/p][/quote]Who decides what 'the good of all' is? You? ChannelX
  • Score: -2

1:14pm Wed 4 Jun 14

The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier says...

BCDR99 wrote:
By "miles away", I mean that technically someone who lives in Salisbury can use Purton tip. But residents of Swindon can't.
The way I understand it , that's purely because Swindon chose to raise the draw bridge on us Wiltshire residents and become an autonomous authority. It was tantamount to the Premiership clubs deciding to keep all the money they raised for themselves, rather than share it around the rest of the county.

As a result, this ex Rodbourne boy is very pleased with the convenient, polite and accessible recycling facility I have within five mile of my home, and none of us will be happy if Swindonians think they have a right to use something that they do not fund.

It works both ways.
[quote][p][bold]BCDR99[/bold] wrote: By "miles away", I mean that technically someone who lives in Salisbury can use Purton tip. But residents of Swindon can't.[/p][/quote]The way I understand it , that's purely because Swindon chose to raise the draw bridge on us Wiltshire residents and become an autonomous authority. It was tantamount to the Premiership clubs deciding to keep all the money they raised for themselves, rather than share it around the rest of the county. As a result, this ex Rodbourne boy is very pleased with the convenient, polite and accessible recycling facility I have within five mile of my home, and none of us will be happy if Swindonians think they have a right to use something that they do not fund. It works both ways. The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier
  • Score: -2

1:23pm Wed 4 Jun 14

The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier says...

... and following on from my point there, I was interested in the comment in the story that 'Oxford have a lot of these facilities scattered all over the place'.

Is this true? Does Oxford? Or does Oxfordshire?

Spot the difference.
... and following on from my point there, I was interested in the comment in the story that 'Oxford have a lot of these facilities scattered all over the place'. Is this true? Does Oxford? Or does Oxfordshire? Spot the difference. The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier
  • Score: 1

1:53pm Wed 4 Jun 14

You slug says...

This was always going to happen.
Swallow your pride and pay for a bin, it's so much easier than those green bags and you don't have to remember to buy them either.
The best £40 I've ever spent on the garden.
This was always going to happen. Swallow your pride and pay for a bin, it's so much easier than those green bags and you don't have to remember to buy them either. The best £40 I've ever spent on the garden. You slug
  • Score: -8

2:03pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Davey Gravey says...

Someones had a fiddle. Wonder who?
Someones had a fiddle. Wonder who? Davey Gravey
  • Score: 11

2:51pm Wed 4 Jun 14

BCDR99 says...

The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier wrote:
BCDR99 wrote:
By "miles away", I mean that technically someone who lives in Salisbury can use Purton tip. But residents of Swindon can't.
The way I understand it , that's purely because Swindon chose to raise the draw bridge on us Wiltshire residents and become an autonomous authority. It was tantamount to the Premiership clubs deciding to keep all the money they raised for themselves, rather than share it around the rest of the county.

As a result, this ex Rodbourne boy is very pleased with the convenient, polite and accessible recycling facility I have within five mile of my home, and none of us will be happy if Swindonians think they have a right to use something that they do not fund.

It works both ways.
I'm on your side of the argument, I think it's a ridiculous situation. SBC have created a West Berlin state in that we're an independent council surrounded by another.
[quote][p][bold]The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCDR99[/bold] wrote: By "miles away", I mean that technically someone who lives in Salisbury can use Purton tip. But residents of Swindon can't.[/p][/quote]The way I understand it , that's purely because Swindon chose to raise the draw bridge on us Wiltshire residents and become an autonomous authority. It was tantamount to the Premiership clubs deciding to keep all the money they raised for themselves, rather than share it around the rest of the county. As a result, this ex Rodbourne boy is very pleased with the convenient, polite and accessible recycling facility I have within five mile of my home, and none of us will be happy if Swindonians think they have a right to use something that they do not fund. It works both ways.[/p][/quote]I'm on your side of the argument, I think it's a ridiculous situation. SBC have created a West Berlin state in that we're an independent council surrounded by another. BCDR99
  • Score: 0

5:41pm Wed 4 Jun 14

ChannelX says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Someones had a fiddle. Wonder who?
Given that your inane comments seem to have attracted a lot of fans... I'm guessing it was you, again.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Someones had a fiddle. Wonder who?[/p][/quote]Given that your inane comments seem to have attracted a lot of fans... I'm guessing it was you, again. ChannelX
  • Score: -15

7:33pm Wed 4 Jun 14

faatmaan says...

green waste is only a small proportion of the waste I witness on my visits, as there is an upturn in the economy people have started replacing worn out items, begun projects they could not previously afford, also there seems to be no enforcement of trade waste , with many vehicles turning up discarding things linked to there respective trades, the recycling centre staff seem intimidated by many of the offenders, also since they removed the vehicle height barrier there seems to be a noticeable increase in the amount of large vehicles at the recycling centre, not too long ago there use to be inspections of vehicles contents before they went onto the platform, but as the green waste rules have only recently been introduced I see little difference at the centre, but the year on year volume data will eventually show down the line if there has been a major shift from collection to people disposing at the facility. But in this environmentally conscious era, a second or even third site may be a necessity sooner rather than later.
green waste is only a small proportion of the waste I witness on my visits, as there is an upturn in the economy people have started replacing worn out items, begun projects they could not previously afford, also there seems to be no enforcement of trade waste , with many vehicles turning up discarding things linked to there respective trades, the recycling centre staff seem intimidated by many of the offenders, also since they removed the vehicle height barrier there seems to be a noticeable increase in the amount of large vehicles at the recycling centre, not too long ago there use to be inspections of vehicles contents before they went onto the platform, but as the green waste rules have only recently been introduced I see little difference at the centre, but the year on year volume data will eventually show down the line if there has been a major shift from collection to people disposing at the facility. But in this environmentally conscious era, a second or even third site may be a necessity sooner rather than later. faatmaan
  • Score: -2

8:43pm Wed 4 Jun 14

twasadawf says...

Most of the staff that work in recycling don't know what can and can't be recycled,this was borne out on national TV this week when a councilor was put right on what types of plastic can be recycled,(by his wife) but then again on the same programme they had different standards in other councils, when a council employee popped out to see a friend about his recycling they just told him to stick all in the box and it would be sorted at the refuse centre, just goes to show my thoughts on the council are correct they don't know what there doing
Most of the staff that work in recycling don't know what can and can't be recycled,this was borne out on national TV this week when a councilor was put right on what types of plastic can be recycled,(by his wife) but then again on the same programme they had different standards in other councils, when a council employee popped out to see a friend about his recycling they just told him to stick all in the box and it would be sorted at the refuse centre, just goes to show my thoughts on the council are correct they don't know what there doing twasadawf
  • Score: 4

7:55am Thu 5 Jun 14

The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier says...

twasadawf wrote:
Most of the staff that work in recycling don't know what can and can't be recycled,this was borne out on national TV this week when a councilor was put right on what types of plastic can be recycled,(by his wife) but then again on the same programme they had different standards in other councils, when a council employee popped out to see a friend about his recycling they just told him to stick all in the box and it would be sorted at the refuse centre, just goes to show my thoughts on the council are correct they don't know what there doing
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Here's a load of recycled full stops for you to use in your next post.
[quote][p][bold]twasadawf[/bold] wrote: Most of the staff that work in recycling don't know what can and can't be recycled,this was borne out on national TV this week when a councilor was put right on what types of plastic can be recycled,(by his wife) but then again on the same programme they had different standards in other councils, when a council employee popped out to see a friend about his recycling they just told him to stick all in the box and it would be sorted at the refuse centre, just goes to show my thoughts on the council are correct they don't know what there doing[/p][/quote].................. Here's a load of recycled full stops for you to use in your next post. The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier
  • Score: 1

1:33pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Laneylane says...

I went last night and drove straight in no queue whatsoever
I went last night and drove straight in no queue whatsoever Laneylane
  • Score: 0

2:26pm Thu 5 Jun 14

cockney dave says...

I fail to see the problem, simply chuck it all in a hedge when nobody is looking
I fail to see the problem, simply chuck it all in a hedge when nobody is looking cockney dave
  • Score: -2

3:31pm Thu 5 Jun 14

6petals says...

We have a medium sized garden, a lot of it cottage style, wildlife friendly, etc and we have a lot of garden waste. We already have 2 compost bins but at times that is not enough. We tried to take excess waste to the tip but after 2 very long queues at the tip we signed up for a green bin..
When full, they are heavy and I struggle to move it. We also keep it in the back garden as I am worried about other people filling it up. Just a few yards from my house I have just counted 11 green bags just dumped. Some of them have yellow stickers but I think some people think they say dump your rubbish here!
My husband phoned the council and another neighbour I believe has phoned, but they are still there.
I am not sure if I want to continue with the green bin next year, I am looking at ways of reducing the amount of garden waste, not growing so much, and just using my own compost bins.
We have a medium sized garden, a lot of it cottage style, wildlife friendly, etc and we have a lot of garden waste. We already have 2 compost bins but at times that is not enough. We tried to take excess waste to the tip but after 2 very long queues at the tip we signed up for a green bin.. When full, they are heavy and I struggle to move it. We also keep it in the back garden as I am worried about other people filling it up. Just a few yards from my house I have just counted 11 green bags just dumped. Some of them have yellow stickers but I think some people think they say dump your rubbish here! My husband phoned the council and another neighbour I believe has phoned, but they are still there. I am not sure if I want to continue with the green bin next year, I am looking at ways of reducing the amount of garden waste, not growing so much, and just using my own compost bins. 6petals
  • Score: 4

6:14pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Or deal with it yourself at home, admittedly in Swindon we only have a small patio garden which is pretty easy to keep but I try to reuse every possible material either to compost or "grasscycle"
This may be useful of course if the issue is you just want someone else to take it away for you that is a different question.

http://www.homecompo
stingmadeeasy.com/gr
assclippings.html
Or deal with it yourself at home, admittedly in Swindon we only have a small patio garden which is pretty easy to keep but I try to reuse every possible material either to compost or "grasscycle" This may be useful of course if the issue is you just want someone else to take it away for you that is a different question. http://www.homecompo stingmadeeasy.com/gr assclippings.html Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 1

9:05pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Zero0 says...

Check the Household Waste Recycling Centre camera, you can then check when quiet, I also refuse to pay extra 2.5% on my Council Tax to pay for green bin. When wrote to the council concerning this, they did not bother to reply, probably out to lunch.
Check the Household Waste Recycling Centre camera, you can then check when quiet, I also refuse to pay extra 2.5% on my Council Tax to pay for green bin. When wrote to the council concerning this, they did not bother to reply, probably out to lunch. Zero0
  • Score: 0

9:56pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Clippies says...

The current new Green Waste Collection Scheme is costing almost £2m MORE than the council expected...that's around 2.5% of the annual income raised by Council Tax. All figures supplied by Swindon Borough Council
The current new Green Waste Collection Scheme is costing almost £2m MORE than the council expected...that's around 2.5% of the annual income raised by Council Tax. All figures supplied by Swindon Borough Council Clippies
  • Score: 1

9:39am Fri 6 Jun 14

twasadawf says...

The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier wrote:
twasadawf wrote:
Most of the staff that work in recycling don't know what can and can't be recycled,this was borne out on national TV this week when a councilor was put right on what types of plastic can be recycled,(by his wife) but then again on the same programme they had different standards in other councils, when a council employee popped out to see a friend about his recycling they just told him to stick all in the box and it would be sorted at the refuse centre, just goes to show my thoughts on the council are correct they don't know what there doing
..................

Here's a load of recycled full stops for you to use in your next post.
70's education
[quote][p][bold]The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]twasadawf[/bold] wrote: Most of the staff that work in recycling don't know what can and can't be recycled,this was borne out on national TV this week when a councilor was put right on what types of plastic can be recycled,(by his wife) but then again on the same programme they had different standards in other councils, when a council employee popped out to see a friend about his recycling they just told him to stick all in the box and it would be sorted at the refuse centre, just goes to show my thoughts on the council are correct they don't know what there doing[/p][/quote].................. Here's a load of recycled full stops for you to use in your next post.[/p][/quote]70's education twasadawf
  • Score: 1

1:56pm Fri 6 Jun 14

6petals says...

6petals wrote:
We have a medium sized garden, a lot of it cottage style, wildlife friendly, etc and we have a lot of garden waste. We already have 2 compost bins but at times that is not enough. We tried to take excess waste to the tip but after 2 very long queues at the tip we signed up for a green bin..
When full, they are heavy and I struggle to move it. We also keep it in the back garden as I am worried about other people filling it up. Just a few yards from my house I have just counted 11 green bags just dumped. Some of them have yellow stickers but I think some people think they say dump your rubbish here!
My husband phoned the council and another neighbour I believe has phoned, but they are still there.
I am not sure if I want to continue with the green bin next year, I am looking at ways of reducing the amount of garden waste, not growing so much, and just using my own compost bins.
Well, the bags are still there. I have just walked to our local shops and within 5 minutes of my home I counted 7 green bags, lying by peoples fences and walls. Some have yellow stickers on them, I wonder how long they will stay there and be added to.
[quote][p][bold]6petals[/bold] wrote: We have a medium sized garden, a lot of it cottage style, wildlife friendly, etc and we have a lot of garden waste. We already have 2 compost bins but at times that is not enough. We tried to take excess waste to the tip but after 2 very long queues at the tip we signed up for a green bin.. When full, they are heavy and I struggle to move it. We also keep it in the back garden as I am worried about other people filling it up. Just a few yards from my house I have just counted 11 green bags just dumped. Some of them have yellow stickers but I think some people think they say dump your rubbish here! My husband phoned the council and another neighbour I believe has phoned, but they are still there. I am not sure if I want to continue with the green bin next year, I am looking at ways of reducing the amount of garden waste, not growing so much, and just using my own compost bins.[/p][/quote]Well, the bags are still there. I have just walked to our local shops and within 5 minutes of my home I counted 7 green bags, lying by peoples fences and walls. Some have yellow stickers on them, I wonder how long they will stay there and be added to. 6petals
  • Score: 1

4:58pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Clippies says...

6petals wrote:
6petals wrote:
We have a medium sized garden, a lot of it cottage style, wildlife friendly, etc and we have a lot of garden waste. We already have 2 compost bins but at times that is not enough. We tried to take excess waste to the tip but after 2 very long queues at the tip we signed up for a green bin..
When full, they are heavy and I struggle to move it. We also keep it in the back garden as I am worried about other people filling it up. Just a few yards from my house I have just counted 11 green bags just dumped. Some of them have yellow stickers but I think some people think they say dump your rubbish here!
My husband phoned the council and another neighbour I believe has phoned, but they are still there.
I am not sure if I want to continue with the green bin next year, I am looking at ways of reducing the amount of garden waste, not growing so much, and just using my own compost bins.
Well, the bags are still there. I have just walked to our local shops and within 5 minutes of my home I counted 7 green bags, lying by peoples fences and walls. Some have yellow stickers on them, I wonder how long they will stay there and be added to.
Email your complaints to David Renard at DRenard@swindon.gov.
uk, Richard Hurley at superchef@talktalk.n
et, Justin Tomlinson at justin.tomlinson.mp@
paliament.co.uk or even conact David Cameron at https://email.number
10.gov.uk/contact.as
px
[quote][p][bold]6petals[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]6petals[/bold] wrote: We have a medium sized garden, a lot of it cottage style, wildlife friendly, etc and we have a lot of garden waste. We already have 2 compost bins but at times that is not enough. We tried to take excess waste to the tip but after 2 very long queues at the tip we signed up for a green bin.. When full, they are heavy and I struggle to move it. We also keep it in the back garden as I am worried about other people filling it up. Just a few yards from my house I have just counted 11 green bags just dumped. Some of them have yellow stickers but I think some people think they say dump your rubbish here! My husband phoned the council and another neighbour I believe has phoned, but they are still there. I am not sure if I want to continue with the green bin next year, I am looking at ways of reducing the amount of garden waste, not growing so much, and just using my own compost bins.[/p][/quote]Well, the bags are still there. I have just walked to our local shops and within 5 minutes of my home I counted 7 green bags, lying by peoples fences and walls. Some have yellow stickers on them, I wonder how long they will stay there and be added to.[/p][/quote]Email your complaints to David Renard at DRenard@swindon.gov. uk, Richard Hurley at superchef@talktalk.n et, Justin Tomlinson at justin.tomlinson.mp@ paliament.co.uk or even conact David Cameron at https://email.number 10.gov.uk/contact.as px Clippies
  • Score: 1

9:36am Sat 7 Jun 14

6petals says...

Re Clippies, Thank you for your advice about the dumped green bags. What an eyesore they are.
Re Clippies, Thank you for your advice about the dumped green bags. What an eyesore they are. 6petals
  • Score: 1

10:24am Sat 7 Jun 14

Clippies says...

6petals wrote:
Re Clippies, Thank you for your advice about the dumped green bags. What an eyesore they are.
You're welcome :) by the way Richard Hurley's address is superchef@talktalk.n
et
Sorry for the typo
[quote][p][bold]6petals[/bold] wrote: Re Clippies, Thank you for your advice about the dumped green bags. What an eyesore they are.[/p][/quote]You're welcome :) by the way Richard Hurley's address is superchef@talktalk.n et Sorry for the typo Clippies
  • Score: 0

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