Head chooses to opt out of changes

This Is Wiltshire: Isambard School Isambard School

ISAMBARD Community School headteacher Rachael Mattey has rung the bell on her 34-year career in education saying she wants no part in a system she claims is going back to the 1970s.

The 54-year-old, who commutes to Redhouse every day from her home in Malvern, Worcestershire, said she disagreed with the direction the Government was taking reform and how the Ofsted was inspecting schools.

On Monday she announced her decision to retire to staff before she attended a garden party at Buckingham Palace on Tuesday in recognition of her services to education.

Rachael, who was appointed the school’s first headteacher eight years ago, said she was concerned about the Government’s plans.

“I fundamentally disagree with the changes being made by the Government, I don’t want to be part of it,” she said.

“Morale is very low at the moment among teachers. They feel they are not being listened to as a profession and I agree with them. “I disagree with Ofsted’s one-size-fits-all model for inspections and looking at the National Curriculum changes it’s similar to what I was doing in the 1970s. “I cannot see how it can prepare anybody for 21st century life. It’s going backwards.

“Schools will be very different places in the future.”

Rachael said she had been mulling over retirement for several months. The former Birmingham inner city school teacher said: “I had been thinking about retiring for several months but it did come as a bit of a bombshell when I told staff on Monday. “People have said nice things but there are of course lots of questions about what will happen next as I’ve led the school from the beginning.

“I took the job because it was an opportunity to start a school and they don’t come up very often. “I’m happy with the direction I’ve taken it in and it’s a wonderful place to be.

“I’m jealous of our students as I wish I could have gone to a school like this.

“It was not a particularly hard decision. There comes a time when any organisation needs a fresh pair of eyes to see what it is doing right and what can be improved.”

While she has yet to decide what exactly she will do next, Rachael says it may involve elements of education through training or consultancy.

in a letter to parents on Monday the chairman of the governors, Kevin Gray, said : “There is no doubt that Mrs Mattey will leave behind a significant legacy based on caring for the students at the school and giving them the ability to see that there are no end of possibilities open to each and every one of them. “She also leaves behind a highly qualified and competent team.

“The first step in this process is for the governors to meet and make a decision as to how they wish to proceed in terms of selecting and employing a new headteacher.

“We want to assure you that student progress will not be adversely affected by this announcement and the ensuing recruitment of a new headteacher. “In fact, we expect that the changes that will be implemented in the near future will improve our students’ welfare and attainment.

“One of the long-term changes that you will see being implemented over the next academic year is an increase in community engagement.”

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8:14am Thu 5 Jun 14

stfcdod says...

Could her early retirement have anything to do with the amazing pension that we've been funding for her?
Could her early retirement have anything to do with the amazing pension that we've been funding for her? stfcdod
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8:24am Thu 5 Jun 14

Always Grumpy says...

"Rachael Mattey has rung the bell on her 34-year career in education saying she wants no part in a system she claims is going back to the 1970s"

That's a pity, because standards in education were far higher in the 70's and she obviously wouldn't be able to cope.

At long last the chickens are coming home to roost for the current education system in this country and the sooner the clock is turned back and away from the 'trendy' schemes introduced by the left wing idealists in the last thirty odd years the better.
"Rachael Mattey has rung the bell on her 34-year career in education saying she wants no part in a system she claims is going back to the 1970s" That's a pity, because standards in education were far higher in the 70's and she obviously wouldn't be able to cope. At long last the chickens are coming home to roost for the current education system in this country and the sooner the clock is turned back and away from the 'trendy' schemes introduced by the left wing idealists in the last thirty odd years the better. Always Grumpy
  • Score: 1

8:30am Thu 5 Jun 14

house on the hill says...

stfcdod wrote:
Could her early retirement have anything to do with the amazing pension that we've been funding for her?
That's a bit harsh! Most teachers do an amazing job but this idiot Gove thinks he knows what he is talking about and isn't interested in listening to anyone else, teachers, advisers, experts, anyone! We are fast disappearing off the charts of education and learning in the world and need to turn that around and fast. The good news is that they have taken away a lot of "fringe" exams and courses that added nothing to education and were more hobbies than education.
Lets hope whoever comes in carries on her good work.
[quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: Could her early retirement have anything to do with the amazing pension that we've been funding for her?[/p][/quote]That's a bit harsh! Most teachers do an amazing job but this idiot Gove thinks he knows what he is talking about and isn't interested in listening to anyone else, teachers, advisers, experts, anyone! We are fast disappearing off the charts of education and learning in the world and need to turn that around and fast. The good news is that they have taken away a lot of "fringe" exams and courses that added nothing to education and were more hobbies than education. Lets hope whoever comes in carries on her good work. house on the hill
  • Score: 7

9:33am Thu 5 Jun 14

cherryblossom says...

Not such a bad thing taking it back to the 70's at least we had discipline back then which is more than I can say Isambard has now, the level of discipline at that school is shocking.
Not such a bad thing taking it back to the 70's at least we had discipline back then which is more than I can say Isambard has now, the level of discipline at that school is shocking. cherryblossom
  • Score: 16

9:46am Thu 5 Jun 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

house on the hill wrote:
stfcdod wrote:
Could her early retirement have anything to do with the amazing pension that we've been funding for her?
That's a bit harsh! Most teachers do an amazing job but this idiot Gove thinks he knows what he is talking about and isn't interested in listening to anyone else, teachers, advisers, experts, anyone! We are fast disappearing off the charts of education and learning in the world and need to turn that around and fast. The good news is that they have taken away a lot of "fringe" exams and courses that added nothing to education and were more hobbies than education.
Lets hope whoever comes in carries on her good work.
The education system should be providing the skills we need for a competitive 21st century labour force.
If we cannot privatize Education, then we should make sure that only the most needed subjects are taxpayers funded: Maths, English, Biology, Physics, Economics
If kids want to learn about cooking, art, etc....they should be made to pay for the subjects themselves by taking a study loan!
As for teachers and other staff, they should be private contractors certainly not on the public payroll!
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: Could her early retirement have anything to do with the amazing pension that we've been funding for her?[/p][/quote]That's a bit harsh! Most teachers do an amazing job but this idiot Gove thinks he knows what he is talking about and isn't interested in listening to anyone else, teachers, advisers, experts, anyone! We are fast disappearing off the charts of education and learning in the world and need to turn that around and fast. The good news is that they have taken away a lot of "fringe" exams and courses that added nothing to education and were more hobbies than education. Lets hope whoever comes in carries on her good work.[/p][/quote]The education system should be providing the skills we need for a competitive 21st century labour force. If we cannot privatize Education, then we should make sure that only the most needed subjects are taxpayers funded: Maths, English, Biology, Physics, Economics If kids want to learn about cooking, art, etc....they should be made to pay for the subjects themselves by taking a study loan! As for teachers and other staff, they should be private contractors certainly not on the public payroll! A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: -29

11:18am Thu 5 Jun 14

Spurs Fan says...

A-Baron Cohen, did you pay for the subjects you were taught at school? I have never heard of anything so ridiculous, kids should pay for cooking, art etc. Education up to 18 should be free for all. Privatising education is not the answer. Less government interference and a move away from league tables might be a better place to start?
A-Baron Cohen, did you pay for the subjects you were taught at school? I have never heard of anything so ridiculous, kids should pay for cooking, art etc. Education up to 18 should be free for all. Privatising education is not the answer. Less government interference and a move away from league tables might be a better place to start? Spurs Fan
  • Score: 12

11:58am Thu 5 Jun 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

Spurs Fan wrote:
A-Baron Cohen, did you pay for the subjects you were taught at school? I have never heard of anything so ridiculous, kids should pay for cooking, art etc. Education up to 18 should be free for all. Privatising education is not the answer. Less government interference and a move away from league tables might be a better place to start?
If there's a move away from league tables, how do parents get any idea which schools are performing well and which ones aren't?
[quote][p][bold]Spurs Fan[/bold] wrote: A-Baron Cohen, did you pay for the subjects you were taught at school? I have never heard of anything so ridiculous, kids should pay for cooking, art etc. Education up to 18 should be free for all. Privatising education is not the answer. Less government interference and a move away from league tables might be a better place to start?[/p][/quote]If there's a move away from league tables, how do parents get any idea which schools are performing well and which ones aren't? The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: 4

11:59am Thu 5 Jun 14

swindondad says...

If she is 54 then she must have gained her secondary and further education in the 70's so they must have done a reasonably job.

As another person who was in school in the 70's can I state that even the few teachers I did not respect where at least feared and listened to.
If she is 54 then she must have gained her secondary and further education in the 70's so they must have done a reasonably job. As another person who was in school in the 70's can I state that even the few teachers I did not respect where at least feared and listened to. swindondad
  • Score: 9

12:23pm Thu 5 Jun 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
Spurs Fan wrote:
A-Baron Cohen, did you pay for the subjects you were taught at school? I have never heard of anything so ridiculous, kids should pay for cooking, art etc. Education up to 18 should be free for all. Privatising education is not the answer. Less government interference and a move away from league tables might be a better place to start?
If there's a move away from league tables, how do parents get any idea which schools are performing well and which ones aren't?
Education should not be free, it should be funded by the parents.
[quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spurs Fan[/bold] wrote: A-Baron Cohen, did you pay for the subjects you were taught at school? I have never heard of anything so ridiculous, kids should pay for cooking, art etc. Education up to 18 should be free for all. Privatising education is not the answer. Less government interference and a move away from league tables might be a better place to start?[/p][/quote]If there's a move away from league tables, how do parents get any idea which schools are performing well and which ones aren't?[/p][/quote]Education should not be free, it should be funded by the parents. A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: -24

12:26pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Davey Gravey says...

stfcdod wrote:
Could her early retirement have anything to do with the amazing pension that we've been funding for her?
It helps to read the article before making a stupid comment such as yours.
[quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: Could her early retirement have anything to do with the amazing pension that we've been funding for her?[/p][/quote]It helps to read the article before making a stupid comment such as yours. Davey Gravey
  • Score: 8

12:26pm Thu 5 Jun 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
Spurs Fan wrote:
A-Baron Cohen, did you pay for the subjects you were taught at school? I have never heard of anything so ridiculous, kids should pay for cooking, art etc. Education up to 18 should be free for all. Privatising education is not the answer. Less government interference and a move away from league tables might be a better place to start?
If there's a move away from league tables, how do parents get any idea which schools are performing well and which ones aren't?
Parents buying and moving house to be near good schools..........isn
't it "buying" an education for their kids?
[quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spurs Fan[/bold] wrote: A-Baron Cohen, did you pay for the subjects you were taught at school? I have never heard of anything so ridiculous, kids should pay for cooking, art etc. Education up to 18 should be free for all. Privatising education is not the answer. Less government interference and a move away from league tables might be a better place to start?[/p][/quote]If there's a move away from league tables, how do parents get any idea which schools are performing well and which ones aren't?[/p][/quote]Parents buying and moving house to be near good schools..........isn 't it "buying" an education for their kids? A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: -10

1:36pm Thu 5 Jun 14

house on the hill says...

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
Spurs Fan wrote:
A-Baron Cohen, did you pay for the subjects you were taught at school? I have never heard of anything so ridiculous, kids should pay for cooking, art etc. Education up to 18 should be free for all. Privatising education is not the answer. Less government interference and a move away from league tables might be a better place to start?
If there's a move away from league tables, how do parents get any idea which schools are performing well and which ones aren't?
A really good point. so your school gets high scores across the school, but how do you know if that is good or bad with no comparisons? You may think having 80% of students getting C or above GCSE's is good but if most other schools get more than that, it clearly isn't!
[quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spurs Fan[/bold] wrote: A-Baron Cohen, did you pay for the subjects you were taught at school? I have never heard of anything so ridiculous, kids should pay for cooking, art etc. Education up to 18 should be free for all. Privatising education is not the answer. Less government interference and a move away from league tables might be a better place to start?[/p][/quote]If there's a move away from league tables, how do parents get any idea which schools are performing well and which ones aren't?[/p][/quote]A really good point. so your school gets high scores across the school, but how do you know if that is good or bad with no comparisons? You may think having 80% of students getting C or above GCSE's is good but if most other schools get more than that, it clearly isn't! house on the hill
  • Score: 4

1:40pm Thu 5 Jun 14

house on the hill says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
Spurs Fan wrote:
A-Baron Cohen, did you pay for the subjects you were taught at school? I have never heard of anything so ridiculous, kids should pay for cooking, art etc. Education up to 18 should be free for all. Privatising education is not the answer. Less government interference and a move away from league tables might be a better place to start?
If there's a move away from league tables, how do parents get any idea which schools are performing well and which ones aren't?
Education should not be free, it should be funded by the parents.
It isn't free it is funded by the taxpayer! And looking at everything else that has been privatised that would be the final death knell on our education.

And what if parents refused to pay would just not educate their kids|?
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spurs Fan[/bold] wrote: A-Baron Cohen, did you pay for the subjects you were taught at school? I have never heard of anything so ridiculous, kids should pay for cooking, art etc. Education up to 18 should be free for all. Privatising education is not the answer. Less government interference and a move away from league tables might be a better place to start?[/p][/quote]If there's a move away from league tables, how do parents get any idea which schools are performing well and which ones aren't?[/p][/quote]Education should not be free, it should be funded by the parents.[/p][/quote]It isn't free it is funded by the taxpayer! And looking at everything else that has been privatised that would be the final death knell on our education. And what if parents refused to pay would just not educate their kids|? house on the hill
  • Score: 12

2:37pm Thu 5 Jun 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
Spurs Fan wrote:
A-Baron Cohen, did you pay for the subjects you were taught at school? I have never heard of anything so ridiculous, kids should pay for cooking, art etc. Education up to 18 should be free for all. Privatising education is not the answer. Less government interference and a move away from league tables might be a better place to start?
If there's a move away from league tables, how do parents get any idea which schools are performing well and which ones aren't?
Education should not be free, it should be funded by the parents.
I can assure you, education is most definitely NOT free!
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spurs Fan[/bold] wrote: A-Baron Cohen, did you pay for the subjects you were taught at school? I have never heard of anything so ridiculous, kids should pay for cooking, art etc. Education up to 18 should be free for all. Privatising education is not the answer. Less government interference and a move away from league tables might be a better place to start?[/p][/quote]If there's a move away from league tables, how do parents get any idea which schools are performing well and which ones aren't?[/p][/quote]Education should not be free, it should be funded by the parents.[/p][/quote]I can assure you, education is most definitely NOT free! The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: 10

2:39pm Thu 5 Jun 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

house on the hill wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
Spurs Fan wrote:
A-Baron Cohen, did you pay for the subjects you were taught at school? I have never heard of anything so ridiculous, kids should pay for cooking, art etc. Education up to 18 should be free for all. Privatising education is not the answer. Less government interference and a move away from league tables might be a better place to start?
If there's a move away from league tables, how do parents get any idea which schools are performing well and which ones aren't?
Education should not be free, it should be funded by the parents.
It isn't free it is funded by the taxpayer! And looking at everything else that has been privatised that would be the final death knell on our education.

And what if parents refused to pay would just not educate their kids|?
I disagree, if parents have children they should be the ones paying for the kids education and healthcare.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spurs Fan[/bold] wrote: A-Baron Cohen, did you pay for the subjects you were taught at school? I have never heard of anything so ridiculous, kids should pay for cooking, art etc. Education up to 18 should be free for all. Privatising education is not the answer. Less government interference and a move away from league tables might be a better place to start?[/p][/quote]If there's a move away from league tables, how do parents get any idea which schools are performing well and which ones aren't?[/p][/quote]Education should not be free, it should be funded by the parents.[/p][/quote]It isn't free it is funded by the taxpayer! And looking at everything else that has been privatised that would be the final death knell on our education. And what if parents refused to pay would just not educate their kids|?[/p][/quote]I disagree, if parents have children they should be the ones paying for the kids education and healthcare. A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: -18

2:44pm Thu 5 Jun 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
Spurs Fan wrote:
A-Baron Cohen, did you pay for the subjects you were taught at school? I have never heard of anything so ridiculous, kids should pay for cooking, art etc. Education up to 18 should be free for all. Privatising education is not the answer. Less government interference and a move away from league tables might be a better place to start?
If there's a move away from league tables, how do parents get any idea which schools are performing well and which ones aren't?
Education should not be free, it should be funded by the parents.
I can assure you, education is most definitely NOT free!
Nursery is not free, education is free do you understand the difference?
[quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spurs Fan[/bold] wrote: A-Baron Cohen, did you pay for the subjects you were taught at school? I have never heard of anything so ridiculous, kids should pay for cooking, art etc. Education up to 18 should be free for all. Privatising education is not the answer. Less government interference and a move away from league tables might be a better place to start?[/p][/quote]If there's a move away from league tables, how do parents get any idea which schools are performing well and which ones aren't?[/p][/quote]Education should not be free, it should be funded by the parents.[/p][/quote]I can assure you, education is most definitely NOT free![/p][/quote]Nursery is not free, education is free do you understand the difference? A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: -9

2:57pm Thu 5 Jun 14

ChannelX says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
Spurs Fan wrote:
A-Baron Cohen, did you pay for the subjects you were taught at school? I have never heard of anything so ridiculous, kids should pay for cooking, art etc. Education up to 18 should be free for all. Privatising education is not the answer. Less government interference and a move away from league tables might be a better place to start?
If there's a move away from league tables, how do parents get any idea which schools are performing well and which ones aren't?
Education should not be free, it should be funded by the parents.
I can assure you, education is most definitely NOT free!
Nursery is not free, education is free do you understand the difference?
Education is not 'free' at all.

Nothing the government provides is 'free'. In fact, most of it costs us way more than it should.
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spurs Fan[/bold] wrote: A-Baron Cohen, did you pay for the subjects you were taught at school? I have never heard of anything so ridiculous, kids should pay for cooking, art etc. Education up to 18 should be free for all. Privatising education is not the answer. Less government interference and a move away from league tables might be a better place to start?[/p][/quote]If there's a move away from league tables, how do parents get any idea which schools are performing well and which ones aren't?[/p][/quote]Education should not be free, it should be funded by the parents.[/p][/quote]I can assure you, education is most definitely NOT free![/p][/quote]Nursery is not free, education is free do you understand the difference?[/p][/quote]Education is not 'free' at all. Nothing the government provides is 'free'. In fact, most of it costs us way more than it should. ChannelX
  • Score: 3

3:00pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Davidsyrett says...

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
Spurs Fan wrote:
A-Baron Cohen, did you pay for the subjects you were taught at school? I have never heard of anything so ridiculous, kids should pay for cooking, art etc. Education up to 18 should be free for all. Privatising education is not the answer. Less government interference and a move away from league tables might be a better place to start?
If there's a move away from league tables, how do parents get any idea which schools are performing well and which ones aren't?
Education should not be free, it should be funded by the parents.
I can assure you, education is most definitely NOT free!
I agree, every week I'm paying for one thing or another which the schools seem to ask for.

Maybe her main gripe was at least in the 70's the kids were allowed out of school to go on holidays!
[quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spurs Fan[/bold] wrote: A-Baron Cohen, did you pay for the subjects you were taught at school? I have never heard of anything so ridiculous, kids should pay for cooking, art etc. Education up to 18 should be free for all. Privatising education is not the answer. Less government interference and a move away from league tables might be a better place to start?[/p][/quote]If there's a move away from league tables, how do parents get any idea which schools are performing well and which ones aren't?[/p][/quote]Education should not be free, it should be funded by the parents.[/p][/quote]I can assure you, education is most definitely NOT free![/p][/quote]I agree, every week I'm paying for one thing or another which the schools seem to ask for. Maybe her main gripe was at least in the 70's the kids were allowed out of school to go on holidays! Davidsyrett
  • Score: 0

3:28pm Thu 5 Jun 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
Spurs Fan wrote:
A-Baron Cohen, did you pay for the subjects you were taught at school? I have never heard of anything so ridiculous, kids should pay for cooking, art etc. Education up to 18 should be free for all. Privatising education is not the answer. Less government interference and a move away from league tables might be a better place to start?
If there's a move away from league tables, how do parents get any idea which schools are performing well and which ones aren't?
Education should not be free, it should be funded by the parents.
I can assure you, education is most definitely NOT free!
Nursery is not free, education is free do you understand the difference?
I don't understand why you think education is free in any way, shape or form. Education is expensive. Very expensive. But without education there is no future prosperity. Education is an investment in the future. Without education there is no science or mathematics. There is no culture or arts. There is no engineering or medicine.

The children we are all paying to educate may well be the first to discover the cure for alzheimer's, the first to step foot on another planet, the first to discover the nature of the universe. They may be the first to make nuclear fusion work, guaranteeing a secure energy supply for the future that we can all benefit from. I'd tend to think that's worth a few quid don't you?
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spurs Fan[/bold] wrote: A-Baron Cohen, did you pay for the subjects you were taught at school? I have never heard of anything so ridiculous, kids should pay for cooking, art etc. Education up to 18 should be free for all. Privatising education is not the answer. Less government interference and a move away from league tables might be a better place to start?[/p][/quote]If there's a move away from league tables, how do parents get any idea which schools are performing well and which ones aren't?[/p][/quote]Education should not be free, it should be funded by the parents.[/p][/quote]I can assure you, education is most definitely NOT free![/p][/quote]Nursery is not free, education is free do you understand the difference?[/p][/quote]I don't understand why you think education is free in any way, shape or form. Education is expensive. Very expensive. But without education there is no future prosperity. Education is an investment in the future. Without education there is no science or mathematics. There is no culture or arts. There is no engineering or medicine. The children we are all paying to educate may well be the first to discover the cure for alzheimer's, the first to step foot on another planet, the first to discover the nature of the universe. They may be the first to make nuclear fusion work, guaranteeing a secure energy supply for the future that we can all benefit from. I'd tend to think that's worth a few quid don't you? The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: 16

3:53pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Spurs Fan says...

Just to clarify when I said education should be free, I meant that there should be no charge at the point of delivery. Obviously education costs us all in the form of taxation. What the commentator on here was proposing was that the state should only pay for lessons such as science and mathematics while arts and cooking should be paid by the parents. As others have said we all collectively pay for the nations youth to be educated, but in turn they will become tax payers and fund the NHS and the education of future generations. I think it is a bit rich for those that have their education under the system that has been around since the 1800s to now say that universal education is now unaffordable and parents should pay.
Just to clarify when I said education should be free, I meant that there should be no charge at the point of delivery. Obviously education costs us all in the form of taxation. What the commentator on here was proposing was that the state should only pay for lessons such as science and mathematics while arts and cooking should be paid by the parents. As others have said we all collectively pay for the nations youth to be educated, but in turn they will become tax payers and fund the NHS and the education of future generations. I think it is a bit rich for those that have their education under the system that has been around since the 1800s to now say that universal education is now unaffordable and parents should pay. Spurs Fan
  • Score: 11

4:27pm Thu 5 Jun 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
Spurs Fan wrote:
A-Baron Cohen, did you pay for the subjects you were taught at school? I have never heard of anything so ridiculous, kids should pay for cooking, art etc. Education up to 18 should be free for all. Privatising education is not the answer. Less government interference and a move away from league tables might be a better place to start?
If there's a move away from league tables, how do parents get any idea which schools are performing well and which ones aren't?
Education should not be free, it should be funded by the parents.
I can assure you, education is most definitely NOT free!
Nursery is not free, education is free do you understand the difference?
I don't understand why you think education is free in any way, shape or form. Education is expensive. Very expensive. But without education there is no future prosperity. Education is an investment in the future. Without education there is no science or mathematics. There is no culture or arts. There is no engineering or medicine.

The children we are all paying to educate may well be the first to discover the cure for alzheimer's, the first to step foot on another planet, the first to discover the nature of the universe. They may be the first to make nuclear fusion work, guaranteeing a secure energy supply for the future that we can all benefit from. I'd tend to think that's worth a few quid don't you?
Education should be paid for by the parents, not by taxation on everyone
There are many ways to make this affordable to would be parents: student loan, tax incentives.
Education is an investment I absolutely agree, however this is an investment to be made by the parents for their children.
Trust me, our economy would do very well indeed if we were to privatize schools, we would have outstanding results, parents would be engaged and pushing their kids for better results and discipline, teachers morale and income would be boosted.
And you seem to forget that many of these bright kids decide to move, work abroad whilst the slow and lazy stay here claiming benefits and multiplying.
If we have a private education system, it would cut immigrants too, think about it.
[quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spurs Fan[/bold] wrote: A-Baron Cohen, did you pay for the subjects you were taught at school? I have never heard of anything so ridiculous, kids should pay for cooking, art etc. Education up to 18 should be free for all. Privatising education is not the answer. Less government interference and a move away from league tables might be a better place to start?[/p][/quote]If there's a move away from league tables, how do parents get any idea which schools are performing well and which ones aren't?[/p][/quote]Education should not be free, it should be funded by the parents.[/p][/quote]I can assure you, education is most definitely NOT free![/p][/quote]Nursery is not free, education is free do you understand the difference?[/p][/quote]I don't understand why you think education is free in any way, shape or form. Education is expensive. Very expensive. But without education there is no future prosperity. Education is an investment in the future. Without education there is no science or mathematics. There is no culture or arts. There is no engineering or medicine. The children we are all paying to educate may well be the first to discover the cure for alzheimer's, the first to step foot on another planet, the first to discover the nature of the universe. They may be the first to make nuclear fusion work, guaranteeing a secure energy supply for the future that we can all benefit from. I'd tend to think that's worth a few quid don't you?[/p][/quote]Education should be paid for by the parents, not by taxation on everyone There are many ways to make this affordable to would be parents: student loan, tax incentives. Education is an investment I absolutely agree, however this is an investment to be made by the parents for their children. Trust me, our economy would do very well indeed if we were to privatize schools, we would have outstanding results, parents would be engaged and pushing their kids for better results and discipline, teachers morale and income would be boosted. And you seem to forget that many of these bright kids decide to move, work abroad whilst the slow and lazy stay here claiming benefits and multiplying. If we have a private education system, it would cut immigrants too, think about it. A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: -13

4:30pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Spurs Fan says...

A Baron Cohen did you have private education or was yours funded by the tax payer?
A Baron Cohen did you have private education or was yours funded by the tax payer? Spurs Fan
  • Score: 2

4:54pm Thu 5 Jun 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

Spurs Fan wrote:
A Baron Cohen did you have private education or was yours funded by the tax payer?
Cost to the Taxpayer = £0
[quote][p][bold]Spurs Fan[/bold] wrote: A Baron Cohen did you have private education or was yours funded by the tax payer?[/p][/quote]Cost to the Taxpayer = £0 A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: -12

4:59pm Thu 5 Jun 14

birdieman says...

Baron Cohen you do write some rubbish....some thing's are not sustainable if the cost is not shared by users and non users...have some kids and see how you get on...
Baron Cohen you do write some rubbish....some thing's are not sustainable if the cost is not shared by users and non users...have some kids and see how you get on... birdieman
  • Score: 9

5:28pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Spurs Fan says...

Mr Baron Cohen well done on coming from a back ground that could afford to educate you at no cost to the tax payer. As Birdieman has said above some things are not sustainable if not shared amongst society as a whole. I for one was not so privileged as to receive a private education, and I'm really glad that I had a good state education. I think the aim now should be to equip future generations for life in the 21st century. To this end children should be offered a broad and balanced education covering all subjects including those that some on this site consider as non essential.
Mr Baron Cohen well done on coming from a back ground that could afford to educate you at no cost to the tax payer. As Birdieman has said above some things are not sustainable if not shared amongst society as a whole. I for one was not so privileged as to receive a private education, and I'm really glad that I had a good state education. I think the aim now should be to equip future generations for life in the 21st century. To this end children should be offered a broad and balanced education covering all subjects including those that some on this site consider as non essential. Spurs Fan
  • Score: 7

8:21pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Zero0 says...

Sorry Rachael, but if you believe it is wrong to bring back teaching principals of the 70s, then you have not only wasted 34 of your years , but possibly those of pupil's throughout those years. Today's education has not exactly put us at the top of the global education league
Sorry Rachael, but if you believe it is wrong to bring back teaching principals of the 70s, then you have not only wasted 34 of your years , but possibly those of pupil's throughout those years. Today's education has not exactly put us at the top of the global education league Zero0
  • Score: 5

7:35am Fri 6 Jun 14

ChannelX says...

Spurs Fan wrote:
A Baron Cohen did you have private education or was yours funded by the tax payer?
He's previously made it clear that he wasn't educated in the UK, so he's right in saying his education cost the British taxpayer nothing.

Although, depending on which country he emigrated from, that might not be *quite* true...
[quote][p][bold]Spurs Fan[/bold] wrote: A Baron Cohen did you have private education or was yours funded by the tax payer?[/p][/quote]He's previously made it clear that he wasn't educated in the UK, so he's right in saying his education cost the British taxpayer nothing. Although, depending on which country he emigrated from, that might not be *quite* true... ChannelX
  • Score: 2

9:08am Fri 6 Jun 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

ChannelX wrote:
Spurs Fan wrote:
A Baron Cohen did you have private education or was yours funded by the tax payer?
He's previously made it clear that he wasn't educated in the UK, so he's right in saying his education cost the British taxpayer nothing.

Although, depending on which country he emigrated from, that might not be *quite* true...
Well my dad worked for one of the Big Oil so we moved quite a bit and to places where you would not necessarily want your children to mix with the locals, so my folks always had to pay for me and siblings and it was not that expensive either.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spurs Fan[/bold] wrote: A Baron Cohen did you have private education or was yours funded by the tax payer?[/p][/quote]He's previously made it clear that he wasn't educated in the UK, so he's right in saying his education cost the British taxpayer nothing. Although, depending on which country he emigrated from, that might not be *quite* true...[/p][/quote]Well my dad worked for one of the Big Oil so we moved quite a bit and to places where you would not necessarily want your children to mix with the locals, so my folks always had to pay for me and siblings and it was not that expensive either. A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: -7

9:33am Fri 6 Jun 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

Spurs Fan wrote:
Mr Baron Cohen well done on coming from a back ground that could afford to educate you at no cost to the tax payer. As Birdieman has said above some things are not sustainable if not shared amongst society as a whole. I for one was not so privileged as to receive a private education, and I'm really glad that I had a good state education. I think the aim now should be to equip future generations for life in the 21st century. To this end children should be offered a broad and balanced education covering all subjects including those that some on this site consider as non essential.
There is no need to start with class war, my dad started as a roughneck, and he always provided for the family, including paying for us to have an Education.
The aim is to provide the skills that are going to be needed by the employers of tomorrow.
Tomorrow is going to be extremely competitive, if you do not have an edge, it will be game over.
[quote][p][bold]Spurs Fan[/bold] wrote: Mr Baron Cohen well done on coming from a back ground that could afford to educate you at no cost to the tax payer. As Birdieman has said above some things are not sustainable if not shared amongst society as a whole. I for one was not so privileged as to receive a private education, and I'm really glad that I had a good state education. I think the aim now should be to equip future generations for life in the 21st century. To this end children should be offered a broad and balanced education covering all subjects including those that some on this site consider as non essential.[/p][/quote]There is no need to start with class war, my dad started as a roughneck, and he always provided for the family, including paying for us to have an Education. The aim is to provide the skills that are going to be needed by the employers of tomorrow. Tomorrow is going to be extremely competitive, if you do not have an edge, it will be game over. A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: -1

8:53am Sat 7 Jun 14

Spurs Fan says...

It is not about "starting class war"" you were lucky enough to live somewhere that private education was cheap, that was your good fortune. I grew up where private education would have cost more than my parents salary, that is a fact not an indictment of either yours or my class. Good state education, that is broad and balanced is the only real way to equip the vast majority of the population for life in this century. Retrograde steps like making parents pay for eduction as would have been the case before the 1870s makes no sense. Compulsory state education was introduced to equip young people for life in an industrial age, I see no real difference now even if you could argue we live in a post industrial society.
It is not about "starting class war"" you were lucky enough to live somewhere that private education was cheap, that was your good fortune. I grew up where private education would have cost more than my parents salary, that is a fact not an indictment of either yours or my class. Good state education, that is broad and balanced is the only real way to equip the vast majority of the population for life in this century. Retrograde steps like making parents pay for eduction as would have been the case before the 1870s makes no sense. Compulsory state education was introduced to equip young people for life in an industrial age, I see no real difference now even if you could argue we live in a post industrial society. Spurs Fan
  • Score: 1

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