Lights change in bid to cut crashes along Thamesdown Drive

This Is Wiltshire: Thamesdown Drive, which has been the scene of 48 crashes resulting in injuries over the past three years Thamesdown Drive, which has been the scene of 48 crashes resulting in injuries over the past three years

PLANS are under way to change the traffic light system along Thamesdown Drive in a bid to cut the number of accidents.

The road, a dual carriageway stretching across North Swindon, has seen 48 crashes resulting in injury in just three years.

The figure includes a fatal accident last month when 33-year-old Paul Winters was killed and his father seriously injured near the turning into the Orbital shopping centre.

While the exact cause of that incident is still to be determined, drivers jumping red lights are thought to be the cause of many accidents on the busy road.

North Swindon residents regularly take to social media to complain of light-jumping incidents and now the council has decided to take action.

As it stands, the pattern of the traffic lights means it is common for drivers to catch a red at every junction. Therefore it is believed some drivers try to jump the lights to avoid this and have a smoother journey.

The council has now said it is looking at introducing a new system which means the lights will react according to the volume of traffic.

On top of this a new programme will be put in place designed to highlight the dangers of jumping red lights.

A Swindon Council spokesman said: “Thamesdown Drive is one of the busiest roads in the borough and there were 48 accidents resulting in injury between April 4, 2011 and March 31, 2014.

“The main cause of accidents during this period was drivers failing to comply with red traffic signals.

“We are planning to run a campaign warning motorists of the dangers of red light jumping and plans are also under way to introduce a new traffic signal control system.

“SCOOT (Split Cycle Offset Optimisation Technique) is an adaptive system which responds automatically to fluctuations in traffic flow through the use of on-street detectors to reduce delay and congestion.

“This is likely to provide an added safety benefit by ensuring a smooth flow of traffic and lessening the frustration of drivers who may be tempted to jump a red light.”

On top of this a meeting is due to take place between the highways department, local councillors and police in an attempt to come up with further ideas to improve road safety.

Coun Emma Faramarzi (Con, Priory Vale) welcomed the move.

She said: “I am pleased something is being done. Just this morning I saw a white van jump the light pulling out of Queen Elizabeth Drive to go across the road. All it would have taken was for it to be clipped and it would have been disaster.

“The figure we know about is already very high and there may be more that just aren’t reported so I am glad something is being done.

“I will be attending the meeting next week to represent the local residents and I just hope we can come up with something to reduce the very high number of accidents.”

Resident Kate Harding, 25, of Priory Vale, said while changing the lights was not the only option, it was a step in the right direction.

She said: “Anything positive which can be done can only help the situation as people go tearing down there at more than 50mph trying to beat the amber and red lights.

“What can’t happen though is stopping the police presence as that makes a big difference.

“We have seen them at all times of day so when drivers have seen them they tend to obey the rules.

“I’ve heard talk in the past of raising the speed limit which must certainly not happen.

“I think changing the lights will make a difference but it can’t be all they do.”

A spokesman for Wiltshire Police said: “Members of the public have shared their safety concerns regarding Thamesdown Drive with the local Neighbourhood Policing Team and these have been listened to and acted upon.

“Officers patrol the road and the surrounding roads as part of daily duties and separate roads policing operations are held on Thamesdown Drive throughout the year.

“All concerns raised by the public will be listened to and taken seriously.”

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7:19am Sat 21 Jun 14

gambon says...

really easy way to solve this problem USE ROUNDABOUTS
really easy way to solve this problem USE ROUNDABOUTS gambon
  • Score: 11

7:20am Sat 21 Jun 14

gambon says...

easy way to solve this USE ROUNDABOUTS
easy way to solve this USE ROUNDABOUTS gambon
  • Score: -7

7:49am Sat 21 Jun 14

NorthernWarrior says...

Roundabouts not necessarily the answer, especially when there is an imbalance of traffic. Besides, in other parts of Swindon, the way some drivers scorch up and on to roundabouts without stopping or even looking is appalling and just as likely to cause a pitch in. At least a big red light shining at them might alert some of the less dopey drivers they actually need to stop.

Surprised that red light cameras don't appear to be on the agenda, surely this is the most absolute measure that could be adopted and to those who cry "cash cow", well this appears to be a genuine situation where a safety benefit would result.

Ultimately there needs to be a change to the whole driving culture in this country. Operating a heavy metal object which can kill or maim in an instant is a privilege, not a right. Maybe it's time for all drivers to undertake periodic re-assessments as to their fitness to drive (say every five years). At the moment unlike, say, train drivers or airline pilots who are continually assessed, once the driving test is passed there is no structured system to check competency to continue to drive - potentially up to 50 years!
Roundabouts not necessarily the answer, especially when there is an imbalance of traffic. Besides, in other parts of Swindon, the way some drivers scorch up and on to roundabouts without stopping or even looking is appalling and just as likely to cause a pitch in. At least a big red light shining at them might alert some of the less dopey drivers they actually need to stop. Surprised that red light cameras don't appear to be on the agenda, surely this is the most absolute measure that could be adopted and to those who cry "cash cow", well this appears to be a genuine situation where a safety benefit would result. Ultimately there needs to be a change to the whole driving culture in this country. Operating a heavy metal object which can kill or maim in an instant is a privilege, not a right. Maybe it's time for all drivers to undertake periodic re-assessments as to their fitness to drive (say every five years). At the moment unlike, say, train drivers or airline pilots who are continually assessed, once the driving test is passed there is no structured system to check competency to continue to drive - potentially up to 50 years! NorthernWarrior
  • Score: 7

7:53am Sat 21 Jun 14

Ardiles says...

Swindon was known for its roundabouts in the new developments of the 1980s. Folk would joke about them, but in a suburban setting with moderate, dispersed traffic volumes they work.

The move away from roundabouts and towards traffic light controlled junctions from the mid 1990s onwards has been a backward step. Stick lights on the bigger roundabouts if you must to prioritise the major traffic flows...but they do work. Thamesdown Drive is one of the most poorly designed roads in the town.
Swindon was known for its roundabouts in the new developments of the 1980s. Folk would joke about them, but in a suburban setting with moderate, dispersed traffic volumes they work. The move away from roundabouts and towards traffic light controlled junctions from the mid 1990s onwards has been a backward step. Stick lights on the bigger roundabouts if you must to prioritise the major traffic flows...but they do work. Thamesdown Drive is one of the most poorly designed roads in the town. Ardiles
  • Score: 32

8:44am Sat 21 Jun 14

Davey Gravey says...

Just stick cameras on every junction and prosecute the red light jumpers.
Just stick cameras on every junction and prosecute the red light jumpers. Davey Gravey
  • Score: -2

8:56am Sat 21 Jun 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

The real answer is the prosecution of drivers who deem themselves above the road traffic regulations and laws.

Over the years I've seen some horrendous examples of red light jumping.

I had vehicles violently swerve around me as I SLOWLY came to a stop at a red light, because they sped up to go through the lights and thought I would do what they do and drive straight through.

There is no design fault with Thamesdown drive. The issue is with drivers who don't pay enough attention to what is going on around them or simply take the attitude I'll be alright and no one will stop me.
The real answer is the prosecution of drivers who deem themselves above the road traffic regulations and laws. Over the years I've seen some horrendous examples of red light jumping. I had vehicles violently swerve around me as I SLOWLY came to a stop at a red light, because they sped up to go through the lights and thought I would do what they do and drive straight through. There is no design fault with Thamesdown drive. The issue is with drivers who don't pay enough attention to what is going on around them or simply take the attitude I'll be alright and no one will stop me. LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: 24

8:57am Sat 21 Jun 14

Stovepipe says...

Unfortunately, as we prove time and time again, human beings are the stupidest creatures ever to walk the planet. We would rather kill babies and pregnant women than drive with due care and attention and this leads to the governments having to take measures on our behalf, and then we complain about it, that's because we are stupid. Even so called intelligent people drive without due care and attention, mothers picking their children up from school speed right outside the school, don't strap their own children in, what chance do we have. The penalties for breaking the highway code should be tougher, the driving test should be tougher, but that won't happen, so lets just carry on killing each other, it puts the fun in driving, which is what you all enjoy.
Unfortunately, as we prove time and time again, human beings are the stupidest creatures ever to walk the planet. We would rather kill babies and pregnant women than drive with due care and attention and this leads to the governments having to take measures on our behalf, and then we complain about it, that's because we are stupid. Even so called intelligent people drive without due care and attention, mothers picking their children up from school speed right outside the school, don't strap their own children in, what chance do we have. The penalties for breaking the highway code should be tougher, the driving test should be tougher, but that won't happen, so lets just carry on killing each other, it puts the fun in driving, which is what you all enjoy. Stovepipe
  • Score: 10

9:05am Sat 21 Jun 14

anotherimigrant says...

LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
The real answer is the prosecution of drivers who deem themselves above the road traffic regulations and laws.

Over the years I've seen some horrendous examples of red light jumping.

I had vehicles violently swerve around me as I SLOWLY came to a stop at a red light, because they sped up to go through the lights and thought I would do what they do and drive straight through.

There is no design fault with Thamesdown drive. The issue is with drivers who don't pay enough attention to what is going on around them or simply take the attitude I'll be alright and no one will stop me.
It,s the SLOWLYbit that frustrates all the other motorists.

People who drive SLOOOOWLY should be taken of the road by the police and made to re-take their driving test

There a menace to other NORMAL road users.
[quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: The real answer is the prosecution of drivers who deem themselves above the road traffic regulations and laws. Over the years I've seen some horrendous examples of red light jumping. I had vehicles violently swerve around me as I SLOWLY came to a stop at a red light, because they sped up to go through the lights and thought I would do what they do and drive straight through. There is no design fault with Thamesdown drive. The issue is with drivers who don't pay enough attention to what is going on around them or simply take the attitude I'll be alright and no one will stop me.[/p][/quote]It,s the SLOWLYbit that frustrates all the other motorists. People who drive SLOOOOWLY should be taken of the road by the police and made to re-take their driving test There a menace to other NORMAL road users. anotherimigrant
  • Score: -8

9:07am Sat 21 Jun 14

anotherimigrant says...

Stovepipe wrote:
Unfortunately, as we prove time and time again, human beings are the stupidest creatures ever to walk the planet. We would rather kill babies and pregnant women than drive with due care and attention and this leads to the governments having to take measures on our behalf, and then we complain about it, that's because we are stupid. Even so called intelligent people drive without due care and attention, mothers picking their children up from school speed right outside the school, don't strap their own children in, what chance do we have. The penalties for breaking the highway code should be tougher, the driving test should be tougher, but that won't happen, so lets just carry on killing each other, it puts the fun in driving, which is what you all enjoy.
LOve it..

Now your my kind of driver, not like that nancy boy up at the ash.
[quote][p][bold]Stovepipe[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately, as we prove time and time again, human beings are the stupidest creatures ever to walk the planet. We would rather kill babies and pregnant women than drive with due care and attention and this leads to the governments having to take measures on our behalf, and then we complain about it, that's because we are stupid. Even so called intelligent people drive without due care and attention, mothers picking their children up from school speed right outside the school, don't strap their own children in, what chance do we have. The penalties for breaking the highway code should be tougher, the driving test should be tougher, but that won't happen, so lets just carry on killing each other, it puts the fun in driving, which is what you all enjoy.[/p][/quote]LOve it.. Now your my kind of driver, not like that nancy boy up at the ash. anotherimigrant
  • Score: -8

9:32am Sat 21 Jun 14

South Stand says...

anotherimigrant wrote:
LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
The real answer is the prosecution of drivers who deem themselves above the road traffic regulations and laws.

Over the years I've seen some horrendous examples of red light jumping.

I had vehicles violently swerve around me as I SLOWLY came to a stop at a red light, because they sped up to go through the lights and thought I would do what they do and drive straight through.

There is no design fault with Thamesdown drive. The issue is with drivers who don't pay enough attention to what is going on around them or simply take the attitude I'll be alright and no one will stop me.
It,s the SLOWLYbit that frustrates all the other motorists.

People who drive SLOOOOWLY should be taken of the road by the police and made to re-take their driving test

There a menace to other NORMAL road users.
PLEASE IGNORE THIS POSTER. His only aim in life is to wind people up because he lives such a very sad life and has nothing else to do. We all know who he is now and actually feel quite sorry for him.
[quote][p][bold]anotherimigrant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: The real answer is the prosecution of drivers who deem themselves above the road traffic regulations and laws. Over the years I've seen some horrendous examples of red light jumping. I had vehicles violently swerve around me as I SLOWLY came to a stop at a red light, because they sped up to go through the lights and thought I would do what they do and drive straight through. There is no design fault with Thamesdown drive. The issue is with drivers who don't pay enough attention to what is going on around them or simply take the attitude I'll be alright and no one will stop me.[/p][/quote]It,s the SLOWLYbit that frustrates all the other motorists. People who drive SLOOOOWLY should be taken of the road by the police and made to re-take their driving test There a menace to other NORMAL road users.[/p][/quote]PLEASE IGNORE THIS POSTER. His only aim in life is to wind people up because he lives such a very sad life and has nothing else to do. We all know who he is now and actually feel quite sorry for him. South Stand
  • Score: 6

9:45am Sat 21 Jun 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

anotherimigrant wrote:
LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
The real answer is the prosecution of drivers who deem themselves above the road traffic regulations and laws.

Over the years I've seen some horrendous examples of red light jumping.

I had vehicles violently swerve around me as I SLOWLY came to a stop at a red light, because they sped up to go through the lights and thought I would do what they do and drive straight through.

There is no design fault with Thamesdown drive. The issue is with drivers who don't pay enough attention to what is going on around them or simply take the attitude I'll be alright and no one will stop me.
It,s the SLOWLYbit that frustrates all the other motorists.

People who drive SLOOOOWLY should be taken of the road by the police and made to re-take their driving test

There a menace to other NORMAL road users.
The road is 40mph. If you want the speed limit increased campaign for that.

If you could be bothered to read my comment the slowly bit was stopping at the lights that had changed from green; as opposed to slamming my brakes on to stop.

Driving slowly does not cause issues. It is the person that gets frustrated that has issues and needs to change their mindset.
[quote][p][bold]anotherimigrant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: The real answer is the prosecution of drivers who deem themselves above the road traffic regulations and laws. Over the years I've seen some horrendous examples of red light jumping. I had vehicles violently swerve around me as I SLOWLY came to a stop at a red light, because they sped up to go through the lights and thought I would do what they do and drive straight through. There is no design fault with Thamesdown drive. The issue is with drivers who don't pay enough attention to what is going on around them or simply take the attitude I'll be alright and no one will stop me.[/p][/quote]It,s the SLOWLYbit that frustrates all the other motorists. People who drive SLOOOOWLY should be taken of the road by the police and made to re-take their driving test There a menace to other NORMAL road users.[/p][/quote]The road is 40mph. If you want the speed limit increased campaign for that. If you could be bothered to read my comment the slowly bit was stopping at the lights that had changed from green; as opposed to slamming my brakes on to stop. Driving slowly does not cause issues. It is the person that gets frustrated that has issues and needs to change their mindset. LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: 8

10:07am Sat 21 Jun 14

Robh says...

There are two problem sets of lights at the Northern Orbital entrance west bound and Oakhurst Way east bound. These have two sets of lights in close proximity and sometimes drivers do not see the first set on red when the second set are on green. Twice I have had near misses in the Oakhurst lights.
There are two problem sets of lights at the Northern Orbital entrance west bound and Oakhurst Way east bound. These have two sets of lights in close proximity and sometimes drivers do not see the first set on red when the second set are on green. Twice I have had near misses in the Oakhurst lights. Robh
  • Score: 12

10:13am Sat 21 Jun 14

anotherimigrant says...

Its not the road or the **** lights it’s the road layout and the sequencing of the light.

That’s what makes the roads of SWINDON dangerous the way they are set out.

The road engineers are not fit for the purpose.

Unless their politically minded idiot managers are pulling their strings.
Its not the road or the **** lights it’s the road layout and the sequencing of the light. That’s what makes the roads of SWINDON dangerous the way they are set out. The road engineers are not fit for the purpose. Unless their politically minded idiot managers are pulling their strings. anotherimigrant
  • Score: 3

10:29am Sat 21 Jun 14

AJP1960 says...

It's also frustrating, not to mention less than friendly to the environment to be held on a red when there's minimal or zero traffic, such as after 10pm for example.

Why can the lights not be programmed to turn off at 10pm and back on at 6am. Reduce frustration, save money and save fuel. All lights could turn on at red to bring traffic to a halt and then start their programmed cycle.

They should also use intelligent sensors so that a light that is due to turn red to allow access from a junction can detect that there's no vehicle waiting and so skip the cycle and remain on green for through traffic.

The controlling cabinets are more than large enough for the necessary computing equipment and the light poles sufficiently robust to carry a range of sensors to ensure that all sizes of vehicles can be identified.

While they are at it, SBC should look to address some of the ridiculous road lane markings. For example, approaching Orbital Shopping Centre from the A419/Cricklade Rd direction, the left hand lane should split in two, this would ensure that people unfamiliar with the layout would not find themselves "trapped" in the LH lane as it becomes a forced left turn and drivers in the RH lane would not be forced to move to the RH lane to allow those caught out by the bad lane design to move.

Traffic lights could also be re-phased and a number of LH lanes could be made in to LH turn lanes and re-programmed lights could allow a left turn whilst straight ahead traffic is held on red.
It's also frustrating, not to mention less than friendly to the environment to be held on a red when there's minimal or zero traffic, such as after 10pm for example. Why can the lights not be programmed to turn off at 10pm and back on at 6am. Reduce frustration, save money [electricity for the lights and their respective controllers] and save fuel. All lights could turn on at red to bring traffic to a halt and then start their programmed cycle. They should also use intelligent sensors so that a light that is due to turn red to allow access from a junction can detect that there's no vehicle waiting and so skip the cycle and remain on green for through traffic. The controlling cabinets are more than large enough for the necessary computing equipment and the light poles sufficiently robust to carry a range of sensors to ensure that all sizes of vehicles can be identified. While they are at it, SBC should look to address some of the ridiculous road lane markings. For example, approaching Orbital Shopping Centre from the A419/Cricklade Rd direction, the left hand lane should split in two, this would ensure that people unfamiliar with the layout would not find themselves "trapped" in the LH lane as it becomes a forced left turn and drivers in the RH lane would not be forced to move to the RH lane to allow those caught out by the bad lane design to move. Traffic lights could also be re-phased and a number of LH lanes could be made in to LH turn lanes and re-programmed lights could allow a left turn [when safe] whilst straight ahead traffic is held on red. AJP1960
  • Score: 6

11:11am Sat 21 Jun 14

anotherimigrant says...

AJP1960 wrote:
It's also frustrating, not to mention less than friendly to the environment to be held on a red when there's minimal or zero traffic, such as after 10pm for example.

Why can the lights not be programmed to turn off at 10pm and back on at 6am. Reduce frustration, save money and save fuel. All lights could turn on at red to bring traffic to a halt and then start their programmed cycle.

They should also use intelligent sensors so that a light that is due to turn red to allow access from a junction can detect that there's no vehicle waiting and so skip the cycle and remain on green for through traffic.

The controlling cabinets are more than large enough for the necessary computing equipment and the light poles sufficiently robust to carry a range of sensors to ensure that all sizes of vehicles can be identified.

While they are at it, SBC should look to address some of the ridiculous road lane markings. For example, approaching Orbital Shopping Centre from the A419/Cricklade Rd direction, the left hand lane should split in two, this would ensure that people unfamiliar with the layout would not find themselves "trappedSo in essence, the road layout and lights are " not fit for the use off "

Another useless settup by the clown skool

I thought I said this earlier. "it,s like grondhog day"
[quote][p][bold]AJP1960[/bold] wrote: It's also frustrating, not to mention less than friendly to the environment to be held on a red when there's minimal or zero traffic, such as after 10pm for example. Why can the lights not be programmed to turn off at 10pm and back on at 6am. Reduce frustration, save money [electricity for the lights and their respective controllers] and save fuel. All lights could turn on at red to bring traffic to a halt and then start their programmed cycle. They should also use intelligent sensors so that a light that is due to turn red to allow access from a junction can detect that there's no vehicle waiting and so skip the cycle and remain on green for through traffic. The controlling cabinets are more than large enough for the necessary computing equipment and the light poles sufficiently robust to carry a range of sensors to ensure that all sizes of vehicles can be identified. While they are at it, SBC should look to address some of the ridiculous road lane markings. For example, approaching Orbital Shopping Centre from the A419/Cricklade Rd direction, the left hand lane should split in two, this would ensure that people unfamiliar with the layout would not find themselves "trappedSo in essence, the road layout and lights are " not fit for the use off " Another useless settup by the clown skool I thought I said this earlier. "it,s like grondhog day" anotherimigrant
  • Score: -5

11:32am Sat 21 Jun 14

BelleMayne says...

Thamesdown Drive has to be one of the worst roads in Swindon, or is it those who use it?
I avoid it where possible, you can guarantee you'll get stopped at a red light on at least 8 of 10 sets of lights up the road. It was supposed to be an orbital road to stop people using the smaller roads around that side of the town but it's actually quicker to use them because of the ridiculous traffic lights.
Not to mention the idiots who sit in the outside lane because 3 miles down the road they want to turn across it. The road should have been designed properly with more focus to making it like a dual carriageway with proper slip roads and less traffic lights so those travelling along it would be able to do so much more fluently.
Not only that but considering everyone's push towards environmentally friendly everything these days it must cause so much pollution with everyone stopping and starting again every quarter mile because of the red lights, especially when the road is particularly empty and no traffic is even waiting at lights which then turn green!
It's too late to fully rectify now but that's typical of Swindon implementing badly thought out plans which don't work in the real world.
Thamesdown Drive has to be one of the worst roads in Swindon, or is it those who use it? I avoid it where possible, you can guarantee you'll get stopped at a red light on at least 8 of 10 sets of lights up the road. It was supposed to be an orbital road to stop people using the smaller roads around that side of the town but it's actually quicker to use them because of the ridiculous traffic lights. Not to mention the idiots who sit in the outside lane because 3 miles down the road they want to turn across it. The road should have been designed properly with more focus to making it like a dual carriageway with proper slip roads and less traffic lights so those travelling along it would be able to do so much more fluently. Not only that but considering everyone's push towards environmentally friendly everything these days it must cause so much pollution with everyone stopping and starting again every quarter mile because of the red lights, especially when the road is particularly empty and no traffic is even waiting at lights which then turn green! It's too late to fully rectify now but that's typical of Swindon implementing badly thought out plans which don't work in the real world. BelleMayne
  • Score: 17

12:32pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Moth says...

NorthernWarrior wrote:
Roundabouts not necessarily the answer, especially when there is an imbalance of traffic. Besides, in other parts of Swindon, the way some drivers scorch up and on to roundabouts without stopping or even looking is appalling and just as likely to cause a pitch in. At least a big red light shining at them might alert some of the less dopey drivers they actually need to stop.

Surprised that red light cameras don't appear to be on the agenda, surely this is the most absolute measure that could be adopted and to those who cry "cash cow", well this appears to be a genuine situation where a safety benefit would result.

Ultimately there needs to be a change to the whole driving culture in this country. Operating a heavy metal object which can kill or maim in an instant is a privilege, not a right. Maybe it's time for all drivers to undertake periodic re-assessments as to their fitness to drive (say every five years). At the moment unlike, say, train drivers or airline pilots who are continually assessed, once the driving test is passed there is no structured system to check competency to continue to drive - potentially up to 50 years!
In nearly every accident on that road, it is caused by young, inexperienced drivers predominantly male. It is used especially at night as a race track for the boy and girl racers who frequently congregate in ASDA car park.

I have been driving for 38 years and never caused an accident. I had a very good instructor who taught me properly and I've never forgotten what he taught me. It's kept me accident free all these years and no, I'm not a slow driver.

I think learner drivers are pushed through their tests long before they're ready. I took lessons for a year and went on to pass my test first time.

Another thing I don't agree with is this "hazard perception" part of the test where the learner driver sits at a computer, clicking the mouse hopefully at the right "hazard". I think some then go on to think driving on a real road is an extension of a computer game. "Hazards" on a PC programme bears no resemblence to the real thing. Drivers - all drivers should be observant at all times.

Many drivers (of all ages) also don't take the road and driving conditions (i.e. weather) into account. A wet road and your braking distance increases.

One thing I would like to see introduced to the driving test is all learner drivers put on the skid pan and taught how to control skids properly.

A lot of driving is commonsense but these days, commonsense seems to have disappeared.

As for Thamesdown Drive. Going from Cricklade Road towards West Swindon is fine but on the opposite side of the carriageway, you have two lanes going into three, three lanes going back into two for no real reason except for bad planning. I've lost count of the times I've been cut up by cars cutting in because they've left getting into the correct lane far too late or have the "I've got to get in front at all costs" mentality.

That road does need improving but so does the standard of driving, particularly among young drivers.
[quote][p][bold]NorthernWarrior[/bold] wrote: Roundabouts not necessarily the answer, especially when there is an imbalance of traffic. Besides, in other parts of Swindon, the way some drivers scorch up and on to roundabouts without stopping or even looking is appalling and just as likely to cause a pitch in. At least a big red light shining at them might alert some of the less dopey drivers they actually need to stop. Surprised that red light cameras don't appear to be on the agenda, surely this is the most absolute measure that could be adopted and to those who cry "cash cow", well this appears to be a genuine situation where a safety benefit would result. Ultimately there needs to be a change to the whole driving culture in this country. Operating a heavy metal object which can kill or maim in an instant is a privilege, not a right. Maybe it's time for all drivers to undertake periodic re-assessments as to their fitness to drive (say every five years). At the moment unlike, say, train drivers or airline pilots who are continually assessed, once the driving test is passed there is no structured system to check competency to continue to drive - potentially up to 50 years![/p][/quote]In nearly every accident on that road, it is caused by young, inexperienced drivers predominantly male. It is used especially at night as a race track for the boy and girl racers who frequently congregate in ASDA car park. I have been driving for 38 years and never caused an accident. I had a very good instructor who taught me properly and I've never forgotten what he taught me. It's kept me accident free all these years and no, I'm not a slow driver. I think learner drivers are pushed through their tests long before they're ready. I took lessons for a year and went on to pass my test first time. Another thing I don't agree with is this "hazard perception" part of the test where the learner driver sits at a computer, clicking the mouse hopefully at the right "hazard". I think some then go on to think driving on a real road is an extension of a computer game. "Hazards" on a PC programme bears no resemblence to the real thing. Drivers - all drivers should be observant at all times. Many drivers (of all ages) also don't take the road and driving conditions (i.e. weather) into account. A wet road and your braking distance increases. One thing I would like to see introduced to the driving test is all learner drivers put on the skid pan and taught how to control skids properly. A lot of driving is commonsense but these days, commonsense seems to have disappeared. As for Thamesdown Drive. Going from Cricklade Road towards West Swindon is fine but on the opposite side of the carriageway, you have two lanes going into three, three lanes going back into two for no real reason except for bad planning. I've lost count of the times I've been cut up by cars cutting in because they've left getting into the correct lane far too late or have the "I've got to get in front at all costs" mentality. That road does need improving but so does the standard of driving, particularly among young drivers. Moth
  • Score: 8

2:54pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Hmmmf says...

Adver, May 2011 wrote:
SPEEDING motorists could soon be shown the red light when a brand new initiative is introduced in the town.

The Wiltshire and Swindon Road Safety Partnership along with the Swindon Council are piloting a scheme which will see traffic lights used to stop drivers speeding.

Two roads in Swindon have been chosen for a pilot study, the first in the entire country, where traffic lights will turn to red if they detect a speeding motorist approaching in a bid to stop them in their tracks.

The hi-tech system will be introduced to Thamesdown Drive at the Callington Road junction and Queens Drive at the Whitbourne Avenue junction in the autumn.

http://goo.gl/5XkKsh

Guessing that's another 'pioneering first for Swindon' which didn't get off the ground. Probably blocked by speeders and red light jumpers who felt their human rights might be violated by a summons and a fine.
[quote][p][bold]Adver, May 2011[/bold] wrote: SPEEDING motorists could soon be shown the red light when a brand new initiative is introduced in the town. The Wiltshire and Swindon Road Safety Partnership along with the Swindon Council are piloting a scheme which will see traffic lights used to stop drivers speeding. Two roads in Swindon have been chosen for a pilot study, the first in the entire country, where traffic lights will turn to red if they detect a speeding motorist approaching in a bid to stop them in their tracks. The hi-tech system will be introduced to Thamesdown Drive at the Callington Road junction and Queens Drive at the Whitbourne Avenue junction in the autumn. [/quote] http://goo.gl/5XkKsh Guessing that's another 'pioneering first for Swindon' which didn't get off the ground. Probably blocked by speeders and red light jumpers who felt their human rights might be violated by a summons and a fine. Hmmmf
  • Score: 3

8:50pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Clippies says...

Though everyone hates them (including me) I believe the only way to stop people jumping red lights is to put up traffic light cameras and fine the culprits as well as give them points on their licence. After all, those who do jump the lights are driving without due care and attention and should face the consequences. I have no problem with individuals who wish to gamble with their own lives, but when they gamble with other people's lives they should have the book thrown at them.
Though everyone hates them (including me) I believe the only way to stop people jumping red lights is to put up traffic light cameras and fine the culprits as well as give them points on their licence. After all, those who do jump the lights are driving without due care and attention and should face the consequences. I have no problem with individuals who wish to gamble with their own lives, but when they gamble with other people's lives they should have the book thrown at them. Clippies
  • Score: 0

9:08pm Sat 21 Jun 14

therock4u says...

I don't see how changing the traffic lights will stop ignorant drivers going over a red light. No matter what sequence TBC set the traffic lights at, there will always be some drivers who ignore the RED LIGHT.
I don't see how changing the traffic lights will stop ignorant drivers going over a red light. No matter what sequence TBC set the traffic lights at, there will always be some drivers who ignore the RED LIGHT. therock4u
  • Score: 2

10:02pm Sat 21 Jun 14

faatmaan says...

whats wrong with actually prosecuting drivers who ignore red lights, the law is there for a reason, as with many others, if the law is not enforced why have it ?
whats wrong with actually prosecuting drivers who ignore red lights, the law is there for a reason, as with many others, if the law is not enforced why have it ? faatmaan
  • Score: 6

9:37am Sun 22 Jun 14

anotherimigrant says...

South Stand wrote:
anotherimigrant wrote:
LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
The real answer is the prosecution of drivers who deem themselves above the road traffic regulations and laws.

Over the years I've seen some horrendous examples of red light jumping.

I had vehicles violently swerve around me as I SLOWLY came to a stop at a red light, because they sped up to go through the lights and thought I would do what they do and drive straight through.

There is no design fault with Thamesdown drive. The issue is with drivers who don't pay enough attention to what is going on around them or simply take the attitude I'll be alright and no one will stop me.
It,s the SLOWLYbit that frustrates all the other motorists.

People who drive SLOOOOWLY should be taken of the road by the police and made to re-take their driving test

There a menace to other NORMAL road users.
PLEASE IGNORE THIS POSTER. His only aim in life is to wind people up because he lives such a very sad life and has nothing else to do. We all know who he is now and actually feel quite sorry for him.
]PLEASE IGNORE THIS POSTER. His only aim in life is to wind people up because he lives such a very sad life and has nothing else to do. We all know who he is now and actually feel quite sorry for him.

Great. so a who am I?
and
All donations please to Mari Currie Cancer Care, or McMillan Nurses.

Ignorant little man.
[quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anotherimigrant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: The real answer is the prosecution of drivers who deem themselves above the road traffic regulations and laws. Over the years I've seen some horrendous examples of red light jumping. I had vehicles violently swerve around me as I SLOWLY came to a stop at a red light, because they sped up to go through the lights and thought I would do what they do and drive straight through. There is no design fault with Thamesdown drive. The issue is with drivers who don't pay enough attention to what is going on around them or simply take the attitude I'll be alright and no one will stop me.[/p][/quote]It,s the SLOWLYbit that frustrates all the other motorists. People who drive SLOOOOWLY should be taken of the road by the police and made to re-take their driving test There a menace to other NORMAL road users.[/p][/quote]PLEASE IGNORE THIS POSTER. His only aim in life is to wind people up because he lives such a very sad life and has nothing else to do. We all know who he is now and actually feel quite sorry for him.[/p][/quote]]PLEASE IGNORE THIS POSTER. His only aim in life is to wind people up because he lives such a very sad life and has nothing else to do. We all know who he is now and actually feel quite sorry for him. Great. so a who am I? and All donations please to Mari Currie Cancer Care, or McMillan Nurses. Ignorant little man. anotherimigrant
  • Score: -5

11:42am Sun 22 Jun 14

beach1e says...

One of the busiest roads in Swindon and set to get busier, yet this council dont think they should spend the money that was allocated for building a new link in the north of the town.This council is a serious threat to people's health and lives...the lot of them are a disgrace.
One of the busiest roads in Swindon and set to get busier, yet this council dont think they should spend the money that was allocated for building a new link in the north of the town.This council is a serious threat to people's health and lives...the lot of them are a disgrace. beach1e
  • Score: -4

11:51am Sun 22 Jun 14

South Stand says...

anotherimigrant wrote:
South Stand wrote:
anotherimigrant wrote:
LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
The real answer is the prosecution of drivers who deem themselves above the road traffic regulations and laws.

Over the years I've seen some horrendous examples of red light jumping.

I had vehicles violently swerve around me as I SLOWLY came to a stop at a red light, because they sped up to go through the lights and thought I would do what they do and drive straight through.

There is no design fault with Thamesdown drive. The issue is with drivers who don't pay enough attention to what is going on around them or simply take the attitude I'll be alright and no one will stop me.
It,s the SLOWLYbit that frustrates all the other motorists.

People who drive SLOOOOWLY should be taken of the road by the police and made to re-take their driving test

There a menace to other NORMAL road users.
PLEASE IGNORE THIS POSTER. His only aim in life is to wind people up because he lives such a very sad life and has nothing else to do. We all know who he is now and actually feel quite sorry for him.
]PLEASE IGNORE THIS POSTER. His only aim in life is to wind people up because he lives such a very sad life and has nothing else to do. We all know who he is now and actually feel quite sorry for him.

Great. so a who am I?
and
All donations please to Mari Currie Cancer Care, or McMillan Nurses.

Ignorant little man.
Ignorant hmmm.
I wonder if 'Macmillan or Marie Curie' think that?
[quote][p][bold]anotherimigrant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anotherimigrant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: The real answer is the prosecution of drivers who deem themselves above the road traffic regulations and laws. Over the years I've seen some horrendous examples of red light jumping. I had vehicles violently swerve around me as I SLOWLY came to a stop at a red light, because they sped up to go through the lights and thought I would do what they do and drive straight through. There is no design fault with Thamesdown drive. The issue is with drivers who don't pay enough attention to what is going on around them or simply take the attitude I'll be alright and no one will stop me.[/p][/quote]It,s the SLOWLYbit that frustrates all the other motorists. People who drive SLOOOOWLY should be taken of the road by the police and made to re-take their driving test There a menace to other NORMAL road users.[/p][/quote]PLEASE IGNORE THIS POSTER. His only aim in life is to wind people up because he lives such a very sad life and has nothing else to do. We all know who he is now and actually feel quite sorry for him.[/p][/quote]]PLEASE IGNORE THIS POSTER. His only aim in life is to wind people up because he lives such a very sad life and has nothing else to do. We all know who he is now and actually feel quite sorry for him. Great. so a who am I? and All donations please to Mari Currie Cancer Care, or McMillan Nurses. Ignorant little man.[/p][/quote]Ignorant hmmm. I wonder if 'Macmillan or Marie Curie' think that? South Stand
  • Score: -2

12:21pm Sun 22 Jun 14

settol says...

I wonder if this has anything to do with people always hitting a red light....

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-england-wil
tshire-13445550

I followed a taxi cab late one night and he was exceeding 40mph (approx 45-50mph) and every light we came to changed to red, if you were exceeding the limit by say 20 mph, so doing 60mph I bet the lights would only give you a few seconds to react, hence the red light jumping.
I wonder if this has anything to do with people always hitting a red light.... http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-england-wil tshire-13445550 I followed a taxi cab late one night and he was exceeding 40mph (approx 45-50mph) and every light we came to changed to red, if you were exceeding the limit by say 20 mph, so doing 60mph I bet the lights would only give you a few seconds to react, hence the red light jumping. settol
  • Score: -2

1:59pm Sun 22 Jun 14

pmc1947 says...

Red light jumping is also a common occurrence at the Croft Road/Wichelstowe configuration a serious accident waiting to happen here.
Red light jumping is also a common occurrence at the Croft Road/Wichelstowe configuration a serious accident waiting to happen here. pmc1947
  • Score: 1

5:09pm Sun 22 Jun 14

FedUpPubGoer says...

How about trying to educate all the idiot Honda employees who race along the A419 and onto Thamesdown Drive every evening about 16.50. They are mostly above the rules of the road it seems, especially the CRV and Civic drivers. Maybe they are colour blind as red lights make no difference to them stopping. Sooner that factory shuts for good the better in my opinion , then the roads all around north Swindon will be so much safer.
How about trying to educate all the idiot Honda employees who race along the A419 and onto Thamesdown Drive every evening about 16.50. They are mostly above the rules of the road it seems, especially the CRV and Civic drivers. Maybe they are colour blind as red lights make no difference to them stopping. Sooner that factory shuts for good the better in my opinion , then the roads all around north Swindon will be so much safer. FedUpPubGoer
  • Score: 1

9:21pm Sun 22 Jun 14

pallelli@hotmail.com says...

This isn't something that can be solved by re-engineering and "re-education", idiots will, by definition, be idiots. So once again SBC will be wasting our money. The only sensible thing SBC can do is to get rid of those pointless extra lanes that appear, and then disappear around some of the junctions on this and other roads in Swindon. They only encourage the boy (and girl) racers.

If SBC want to do something really worthwhile, they could lobby government for a change in the law.

As it stands the current punishment for a more minor motoring offence usually 3 points and a relatively small fine. Unless you are already on 6 points, the points element means nothing, and for most drivers the fine won't have any tangible impact.

What I'd like to see is something that gives the points part of the punishment some “pain”. I think that each point should also mean a weeks ban. Most drivers would not like to be off the road for three or six weeks. Such a scheme would go a long way to dissuading drivers from doing stupid things behind the wheel. I'd also require them to surrender their passports for the duration of the ban so that they couldn't avoid it by going on holiday.
This isn't something that can be solved by re-engineering and "re-education", idiots will, by definition, be idiots. So once again SBC will be wasting our money. The only sensible thing SBC can do is to get rid of those pointless extra lanes that appear, and then disappear around some of the junctions on this and other roads in Swindon. They only encourage the boy (and girl) racers. If SBC want to do something really worthwhile, they could lobby government for a change in the law. As it stands the current punishment for a more minor motoring offence usually 3 points and a relatively small fine. Unless you are already on 6 points, the points element means nothing, and for most drivers the fine won't have any tangible impact. What I'd like to see is something that gives the points part of the punishment some “pain”. I think that each point should also mean a weeks ban. Most drivers would not like to be off the road for three or six weeks. Such a scheme would go a long way to dissuading drivers from doing stupid things behind the wheel. I'd also require them to surrender their passports for the duration of the ban so that they couldn't avoid it by going on holiday. pallelli@hotmail.com
  • Score: -1

9:28pm Sun 22 Jun 14

anotherimigrant says...

pmc1947 wrote:
Red light jumping is also a common occurrence at the Croft Road/Wichelstowe configuration a serious accident waiting to happen here.
Yes another bad lights sequencing and appalling road layout.

But not to worry because soon the clowns will block the road so no one can use it. Except if your a bus passenger.

Thamesdown drive, wonder who was the imaginative person who thought of that name, it should have been a proper duel carriage way from blunsdon to the junction of. But Mickey Mouse and Dumbo and the other toon characters took the money that was paid by the developers and put it in the pension fund.

That as you all know is the reason that IKEA wouldn't move to Swindon,(Disney Land) the road infrastructure wasn't good enough.
But the let crappy Iceland in to destroy the roads and pollute the atmosphere.

We get the roads and rubbish collection we deserve because we allow year after year party politics rule instead of what's best for the town.

And most of the fools who slag everyone else of because they don't agree with their warped spence of what we need.

I All RIGHT JACK.
[quote][p][bold]pmc1947[/bold] wrote: Red light jumping is also a common occurrence at the Croft Road/Wichelstowe configuration a serious accident waiting to happen here.[/p][/quote]Yes another bad lights sequencing and appalling road layout. But not to worry because soon the clowns will block the road so no one can use it. Except if your a bus passenger. Thamesdown drive, wonder who was the imaginative person who thought of that name, it should have been a proper duel carriage way from blunsdon to the junction of. But Mickey Mouse and Dumbo and the other toon characters took the money that was paid by the developers and put it in the pension fund. That as you all know is the reason that IKEA wouldn't move to Swindon,(Disney Land) the road infrastructure wasn't good enough. But the let crappy Iceland in to destroy the roads and pollute the atmosphere. We get the roads and rubbish collection we deserve because we allow year after year party politics rule instead of what's best for the town. And most of the fools who slag everyone else of because they don't agree with their warped spence of what we need. I All RIGHT JACK. anotherimigrant
  • Score: -5

11:03pm Sun 22 Jun 14

Eastern Badger says...

beach1e wrote:
One of the busiest roads in Swindon and set to get busier, yet this council dont think they should spend the money that was allocated for building a new link in the north of the town.This council is a serious threat to people's health and lives...the lot of them are a disgrace.
It seems amazing that Swindon Borough Council now plan to build 8,000+ homes in East Swindon with nothing like Thamesdown Drive planned - an absolutely amazing ignorance of the infrastructure needed for a large housing development and yes - Mead Way should have been finished - they are still building in North Swindon with no plans to deal with this huge mistake. No infrastructure should mean no homes.
[quote][p][bold]beach1e[/bold] wrote: One of the busiest roads in Swindon and set to get busier, yet this council dont think they should spend the money that was allocated for building a new link in the north of the town.This council is a serious threat to people's health and lives...the lot of them are a disgrace.[/p][/quote]It seems amazing that Swindon Borough Council now plan to build 8,000+ homes in East Swindon with nothing like Thamesdown Drive planned - an absolutely amazing ignorance of the infrastructure needed for a large housing development and yes - Mead Way should have been finished - they are still building in North Swindon with no plans to deal with this huge mistake. No infrastructure should mean no homes. Eastern Badger
  • Score: 5

8:02am Mon 23 Jun 14

Captain T says...

Just this morning I was at the junction waiting to turn right into Queen Elizabeth Drive and as I was there, the lights to the left turned red to allow the traffic from Oakhurst to cross/enter Thamesdown Drive. Incredibly, a split second before the traffic crossed the road, a black 4x4 barreled through the red light and it had to have been doing about 60/70, it was that quick. So close to yet another collision and judging by the speed, another fatality. I find it hard to believe the lights don't have cameras to catch morons like that.
Just this morning I was at the junction waiting to turn right into Queen Elizabeth Drive and as I was there, the lights to the left turned red to allow the traffic from Oakhurst to cross/enter Thamesdown Drive. Incredibly, a split second before the traffic crossed the road, a black 4x4 barreled through the red light and it had to have been doing about 60/70, it was that quick. So close to yet another collision and judging by the speed, another fatality. I find it hard to believe the lights don't have cameras to catch morons like that. Captain T
  • Score: 2

8:52am Mon 23 Jun 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

Too many intersections, too many traffic lights on a busy road, I am actually surprised the number of deaths is not higher.......
Too many intersections, too many traffic lights on a busy road, I am actually surprised the number of deaths is not higher....... A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: 6

10:53pm Mon 23 Jun 14

semitonic says...

Is it me or is anotherimigrant only knitting with one needle?
Is it me or is anotherimigrant only knitting with one needle? semitonic
  • Score: -1

1:00am Tue 24 Jun 14

anotherimigrant says...

semitonic wrote:
Is it me or is anotherimigrant only knitting with one needle?
Love it.

Like most people, no sorry all the fools at clown Skool.

You and yous m8s are easy peesy.

Also a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic.
Not firing on all cylinders.

I love these little words or saying.
[quote][p][bold]semitonic[/bold] wrote: Is it me or is anotherimigrant only knitting with one needle?[/p][/quote]Love it. Like most people, no sorry all the fools at clown Skool. You and yous m8s are easy peesy. Also a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic. Not firing on all cylinders. I love these little words or saying. anotherimigrant
  • Score: -2

12:32pm Tue 24 Jun 14

GrumpyLocal says...

As other posters have said the road layout on Thamesdown drive is appalling. The lane management and transitions are just plain bizarre and represent clueless designers & clueless officials that approved them. By expanding then merging from 3/2 lanes you encourage people to speed and then force them to barge back in at inappropriate places.
You drive in the right hand lane towards Orbital and suddenly find that you have no choice but t turn right as the left lane splits in to 2 to go straight on instead. Sticking three lanes in at traffic light that drop to two immediately after cause people to race away from the lights to avoid squeezing in to other cars.
In various places there is space to re-allocate lanes to allow people turning left on of off the road the ability to do so without lights but that is far too sensible.
As other posters have said the road layout on Thamesdown drive is appalling. The lane management and transitions are just plain bizarre and represent clueless designers & clueless officials that approved them. By expanding then merging from 3/2 lanes you encourage people to speed and then force them to barge back in at inappropriate places. You drive in the right hand lane towards Orbital and suddenly find that you have no choice but t turn right as the left lane splits in to 2 to go straight on instead. Sticking three lanes in at traffic light that drop to two immediately after cause people to race away from the lights to avoid squeezing in to other cars. In various places there is space to re-allocate lanes to allow people turning left on of off the road the ability to do so without lights but that is far too sensible. GrumpyLocal
  • Score: 5

1:52pm Tue 24 Jun 14

BCDR99 says...

I don't want to sound like some of paranoid on here, but I really don't understand how the thumbs work on here. Maybe, as everyone has signed up, we could see who has voted up and who has voted down? Or even show the number of thumbs up and number of thumbs down, rather than just the net effect?

The comment from GrumpyLocal there is a good example. I can't see what is wrong with that comment. It is well structured, it's well thought out and there are some sensible points made. Why that is in the negative I've no idea. I suspect it is because certain people look at the poster and not the post before they decide which thumb to click.

So, maybe just remove them all together and if someone disagrees, they'll have to put their reasons in a well thought out, structured comment rather than just clicking a thumb. There might at least be a better quality of debate all round then.
I don't want to sound like some of paranoid on here, but I really don't understand how the thumbs work on here. Maybe, as everyone has signed up, we could see who has voted up and who has voted down? Or even show the number of thumbs up and number of thumbs down, rather than just the net effect? The comment from GrumpyLocal there is a good example. I can't see what is wrong with that comment. It is well structured, it's well thought out and there are some sensible points made. Why that is in the negative I've no idea. I suspect it is because certain people look at the poster and not the post before they decide which thumb to click. So, maybe just remove them all together and if someone disagrees, they'll have to put their reasons in a well thought out, structured comment rather than just clicking a thumb. There might at least be a better quality of debate all round then. BCDR99
  • Score: -1

5:24pm Tue 24 Jun 14

LordCharles says...

If you think the Northern Orbital traffic lights are a problem come and look at the traffic lights on the Co-op corner in Wroughton. Four road lights all on stop to let one pedestrian cross. Many don't quite make it before one set goes green. A much more efficient way would have been two roundabouts linked as a mini Magic Roundabout with pedestrian crossings on the approach roads. So simple. So avoided by the traffic planners.
If you think the Northern Orbital traffic lights are a problem come and look at the traffic lights on the Co-op corner in Wroughton. Four road lights all on stop to let one pedestrian cross. Many don't quite make it before one set goes green. A much more efficient way would have been two roundabouts linked as a mini Magic Roundabout with pedestrian crossings on the approach roads. So simple. So avoided by the traffic planners. LordCharles
  • Score: -1

9:13am Thu 26 Jun 14

avo says...

BelleMayne wrote:
Thamesdown Drive has to be one of the worst roads in Swindon, or is it those who use it?
I avoid it where possible, you can guarantee you'll get stopped at a red light on at least 8 of 10 sets of lights up the road. It was supposed to be an orbital road to stop people using the smaller roads around that side of the town but it's actually quicker to use them because of the ridiculous traffic lights.
Not to mention the idiots who sit in the outside lane because 3 miles down the road they want to turn across it. The road should have been designed properly with more focus to making it like a dual carriageway with proper slip roads and less traffic lights so those travelling along it would be able to do so much more fluently.
Not only that but considering everyone's push towards environmentally friendly everything these days it must cause so much pollution with everyone stopping and starting again every quarter mile because of the red lights, especially when the road is particularly empty and no traffic is even waiting at lights which then turn green!
It's too late to fully rectify now but that's typical of Swindon implementing badly thought out plans which don't work in the real world.
Lots of references to idiots in your post yet you clearly are one yourself.
.
What is wrong with driving in the outside lane of a two lane carriageway that has a speed limit of 40? Oh I see, you want all drivers travelling at 40 in the outside lane, to pull over and make way for all the idiots that wish to travel faster?
.
I see now why you avoid the road. Idiot.
[quote][p][bold]BelleMayne[/bold] wrote: Thamesdown Drive has to be one of the worst roads in Swindon, or is it those who use it? I avoid it where possible, you can guarantee you'll get stopped at a red light on at least 8 of 10 sets of lights up the road. It was supposed to be an orbital road to stop people using the smaller roads around that side of the town but it's actually quicker to use them because of the ridiculous traffic lights. Not to mention the idiots who sit in the outside lane because 3 miles down the road they want to turn across it. The road should have been designed properly with more focus to making it like a dual carriageway with proper slip roads and less traffic lights so those travelling along it would be able to do so much more fluently. Not only that but considering everyone's push towards environmentally friendly everything these days it must cause so much pollution with everyone stopping and starting again every quarter mile because of the red lights, especially when the road is particularly empty and no traffic is even waiting at lights which then turn green! It's too late to fully rectify now but that's typical of Swindon implementing badly thought out plans which don't work in the real world.[/p][/quote]Lots of references to idiots in your post yet you clearly are one yourself. . What is wrong with driving in the outside lane of a two lane carriageway that has a speed limit of 40? Oh I see, you want all drivers travelling at 40 in the outside lane, to pull over and make way for all the idiots that wish to travel faster? . I see now why you avoid the road. Idiot. avo
  • Score: -1

9:43am Thu 26 Jun 14

BCDR99 says...

avo wrote:
BelleMayne wrote:
Thamesdown Drive has to be one of the worst roads in Swindon, or is it those who use it?
I avoid it where possible, you can guarantee you'll get stopped at a red light on at least 8 of 10 sets of lights up the road. It was supposed to be an orbital road to stop people using the smaller roads around that side of the town but it's actually quicker to use them because of the ridiculous traffic lights.
Not to mention the idiots who sit in the outside lane because 3 miles down the road they want to turn across it. The road should have been designed properly with more focus to making it like a dual carriageway with proper slip roads and less traffic lights so those travelling along it would be able to do so much more fluently.
Not only that but considering everyone's push towards environmentally friendly everything these days it must cause so much pollution with everyone stopping and starting again every quarter mile because of the red lights, especially when the road is particularly empty and no traffic is even waiting at lights which then turn green!
It's too late to fully rectify now but that's typical of Swindon implementing badly thought out plans which don't work in the real world.
Lots of references to idiots in your post yet you clearly are one yourself.
.
What is wrong with driving in the outside lane of a two lane carriageway that has a speed limit of 40? Oh I see, you want all drivers travelling at 40 in the outside lane, to pull over and make way for all the idiots that wish to travel faster?
.
I see now why you avoid the road. Idiot.
The thing is, you're both correct. If you're not overtaking or turning right you shouldn't be in the outside lane. And you shouldn't be driving at more than the posted limit.
The trouble is, if you try and drive properly and then change lane a few hundred yards from your turning, very few people will let you change lane as they hog the bumper in front of them.

That is why driving has been described as one of the greatest exercises in social co-operation. But that co-operation and consideration for people around us, seems to go out of the window when we get behind the wheel unlike any other situation where people are put together.
If everyone drove properly and with a bit more consideration for those around them, the roads would be a much nicer place to be and everyone would get where they are going quicker, believe it or not.
[quote][p][bold]avo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BelleMayne[/bold] wrote: Thamesdown Drive has to be one of the worst roads in Swindon, or is it those who use it? I avoid it where possible, you can guarantee you'll get stopped at a red light on at least 8 of 10 sets of lights up the road. It was supposed to be an orbital road to stop people using the smaller roads around that side of the town but it's actually quicker to use them because of the ridiculous traffic lights. Not to mention the idiots who sit in the outside lane because 3 miles down the road they want to turn across it. The road should have been designed properly with more focus to making it like a dual carriageway with proper slip roads and less traffic lights so those travelling along it would be able to do so much more fluently. Not only that but considering everyone's push towards environmentally friendly everything these days it must cause so much pollution with everyone stopping and starting again every quarter mile because of the red lights, especially when the road is particularly empty and no traffic is even waiting at lights which then turn green! It's too late to fully rectify now but that's typical of Swindon implementing badly thought out plans which don't work in the real world.[/p][/quote]Lots of references to idiots in your post yet you clearly are one yourself. . What is wrong with driving in the outside lane of a two lane carriageway that has a speed limit of 40? Oh I see, you want all drivers travelling at 40 in the outside lane, to pull over and make way for all the idiots that wish to travel faster? . I see now why you avoid the road. Idiot.[/p][/quote]The thing is, you're both correct. If you're not overtaking or turning right you shouldn't be in the outside lane. And you shouldn't be driving at more than the posted limit. The trouble is, if you try and drive properly and then change lane a few hundred yards from your turning, very few people will let you change lane as they hog the bumper in front of them. That is why driving has been described as one of the greatest exercises in social co-operation. But that co-operation and consideration for people around us, seems to go out of the window when we get behind the wheel unlike any other situation where people are put together. If everyone drove properly and with a bit more consideration for those around them, the roads would be a much nicer place to be and everyone would get where they are going quicker, believe it or not. BCDR99
  • Score: 2

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