Regent Circus road layout leaves residents stranded

This Is Wiltshire: Clare Agates is among those concerned by traffic issues at the Regent Circus development Clare Agates is among those concerned by traffic issues at the Regent Circus development

REGENT Circus’ new shared space crossing requires a leap of faith according to pedestrians, who feel they have to dodge moving traffic.

The area between Victoria Road and Commercial Road has now been transformed into a raised pedestrian island, with a 20mph zone in which traffic should give way.

But walkers feel motorists are either unaware of the system or unwilling to stop, leaving them stranded and forced to cross three lanes of traffic.

Swindon Council says the crossing is incomplete, but two independent safety reviews have already taken place with another scheduled for when the work is completed.

Claire Vernon, 39, of Dover Road, was trapped on the side of the road with her three-year-old son in a pushchair.

“It does seem that it is now like a pedestrian crossing at the bottom, but they are not putting anything in to help pedestrians cross,” she said. “I had to cross Victoria Road because part of the footpath was closed, and I ended up by Rudi’s. “It was really busy and I was waiting to cross but cars just weren’t stopping. I just didn’t know what to do.

“My boy was telling me to cross the road, and usually I tell him we have to wait for the green man. “This time I realised I didn’t know what to tell him because I didn’t know what to do myself. Other people were just running in between the cars.

”I just got incredibly stressed and frustrated, and so many people have since said they are having the same problems. “We wondered what you would do if you were blind or impaired in some way or had a disability. “When it is complete we will have hundreds of people trying to use that crossing. “To put something like that on a really busy junction just beggars belief.”

Peter Green, of Swindon Back Garden resident’s association, said: “There are two issues here. There are plans for what will be going down there and the idea is that it will be a 20mph limit. “The issue is will the signs make it sensible and work in the long term?

“The pavement on Vic Hill is also closed between Cross Street and Rudi’s, so people are simply having to walk in the middle of the road. “There needs to be a proper space for pedestrians, and there has to be proper signage down there because it is very dangerous.

“There are lots of places where this works, like in Leicester and Oxford, but the traffic there is shared with buses, whose drivers are briefed.

“I do think it is a great idea to be joining up new town and Old Town around Regent Circus and I like what they are trying to achieve, but they are doing it in all the wrong ways.”

A spokesman for Swindon Council said: “The work is not yet finished and we would urge everyone to make a judgement once the scheme is completed. “We aren’t saying it’s necessarily going to be perfect straight away, which is why it will be subjected to an independent safety audit and if things need to be changed as a result of that, they will be. “The scheme has been designed and paid for by the developer, and the council approved it because similar schemes have worked well in other parts of the country and have made things safer overall for all road users and pedestrians. “The design was also consulted on widely before work started.”

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11:35am Thu 26 Jun 14

GrumpyLocal says...

As mentioned on a previous story, the road layout is horrendous. Making it a pedestrian area when it is situated on the convergence of 4 arterial routes through the town centre is an absolute joke. Re-instate the traffic lights, put down proper road markings and leave the access network alone.
Having to negotiate traffic lights will not deter anyone from visiting the development at all.
Reducing traffic flow and ease of access to people visiting from outside the town centre will deter people.
As mentioned on a previous story, the road layout is horrendous. Making it a pedestrian area when it is situated on the convergence of 4 arterial routes through the town centre is an absolute joke. Re-instate the traffic lights, put down proper road markings and leave the access network alone. Having to negotiate traffic lights will not deter anyone from visiting the development at all. Reducing traffic flow and ease of access to people visiting from outside the town centre will deter people. GrumpyLocal
  • Score: 22

11:38am Thu 26 Jun 14

Oik1 says...

A spokesman for Swindon Council said: “We aren’t saying it’s necessarily going to be perfect straight away".
So are the council going to wait until a death or serious injury takes place before listening to the people that have to use it?
Shared road space, where neither pedestrian children, adults or drivers are aware of who gives way to who or what.
A spokesman for Swindon Council said: “We aren’t saying it’s necessarily going to be perfect straight away". So are the council going to wait until a death or serious injury takes place before listening to the people that have to use it? Shared road space, where neither pedestrian children, adults or drivers are aware of who gives way to who or what. Oik1
  • Score: 23

11:51am Thu 26 Jun 14

Alex English says...

This reflects the approach of the Highways Department who have felt the best way to make roads 'safer' is to deliberately make them more dangerous for about the last 30 years now.

If they stopped putting traffic lights at roundabout entrances/exits and deliberately eliminating driver views of oncoming traffic, the number of road deaths and accidents would be reduced dramatically.
This reflects the approach of the Highways Department who have felt the best way to make roads 'safer' is to deliberately make them more dangerous for about the last 30 years now. If they stopped putting traffic lights at roundabout entrances/exits and deliberately eliminating driver views of oncoming traffic, the number of road deaths and accidents would be reduced dramatically. Alex English
  • Score: 22

11:55am Thu 26 Jun 14

GrumpyLocal says...

Alex English wrote:
This reflects the approach of the Highways Department who have felt the best way to make roads 'safer' is to deliberately make them more dangerous for about the last 30 years now.

If they stopped putting traffic lights at roundabout entrances/exits and deliberately eliminating driver views of oncoming traffic, the number of road deaths and accidents would be reduced dramatically.
The stat's show that deaths on the roads are falling and maybe that's why they persist with the stupid road designs & layouts. However, cars themselves are far safer than 30-40 years ago which probably is the real reason that road deaths have fallen.
[quote][p][bold]Alex English[/bold] wrote: This reflects the approach of the Highways Department who have felt the best way to make roads 'safer' is to deliberately make them more dangerous for about the last 30 years now. If they stopped putting traffic lights at roundabout entrances/exits and deliberately eliminating driver views of oncoming traffic, the number of road deaths and accidents would be reduced dramatically.[/p][/quote]The stat's show that deaths on the roads are falling and maybe that's why they persist with the stupid road designs & layouts. However, cars themselves are far safer than 30-40 years ago which probably is the real reason that road deaths have fallen. GrumpyLocal
  • Score: 10

11:59am Thu 26 Jun 14

topsy123 says...

could there be priority to pedestrian signs placed on approach roads.
could there be priority to pedestrian signs placed on approach roads. topsy123
  • Score: -8

12:08pm Thu 26 Jun 14

GrumpyLocal says...

topsy123 wrote:
could there be priority to pedestrian signs placed on approach roads.
There could, but why should there have to be? It's far safer to have a controlled crossing area, especially where the road network is so busy, than to expect drivers, who are already looking in three directions at once, to have to dodge pedestrians walking in front of them.
A pedestrian can stop & change direction almost in an instant, they also move far more slowly giving them more time to react to situations. Putting the onus on the faster moving, harder to stop, more difficult to redirect vehicles just seems to be plain wrong.
[quote][p][bold]topsy123[/bold] wrote: could there be priority to pedestrian signs placed on approach roads.[/p][/quote]There could, but why should there have to be? It's far safer to have a controlled crossing area, especially where the road network is so busy, than to expect drivers, who are already looking in three directions at once, to have to dodge pedestrians walking in front of them. A pedestrian can stop & change direction almost in an instant, they also move far more slowly giving them more time to react to situations. Putting the onus on the faster moving, harder to stop, more difficult to redirect vehicles just seems to be plain wrong. GrumpyLocal
  • Score: 18

12:30pm Thu 26 Jun 14

BCDR99 says...

Oik1 wrote:
A spokesman for Swindon Council said: “We aren’t saying it’s necessarily going to be perfect straight away".
So are the council going to wait until a death or serious injury takes place before listening to the people that have to use it?
Shared road space, where neither pedestrian children, adults or drivers are aware of who gives way to who or what.
It works very well in places like Holland and Denmark. You take away the structure and dedicated space and people actually pay attention to those around them.

Whether this junction is a good idea for that sort of thing is a debate worth having, but these sort of junctions do work very well. A segregated space with orders barked by signs and lights simply removes the responsibility of thinking from everyone. How many times do you see traffic lights go green and everyone simply roars away without actually checking it is safe to do so? Equally, green man comes on and pedestrians just leap off the pavement without checking that the vehicles have seen and responded to their red light.

This sort of thing is proven to work in other countries, but then other countries seem to have a different attitude on the roads than we do in the UK.
[quote][p][bold]Oik1[/bold] wrote: A spokesman for Swindon Council said: “We aren’t saying it’s necessarily going to be perfect straight away". So are the council going to wait until a death or serious injury takes place before listening to the people that have to use it? Shared road space, where neither pedestrian children, adults or drivers are aware of who gives way to who or what.[/p][/quote]It works very well in places like Holland and Denmark. You take away the structure and dedicated space and people actually pay attention to those around them. Whether this junction is a good idea for that sort of thing is a debate worth having, but these sort of junctions do work very well. A segregated space with orders barked by signs and lights simply removes the responsibility of thinking from everyone. How many times do you see traffic lights go green and everyone simply roars away without actually checking it is safe to do so? Equally, green man comes on and pedestrians just leap off the pavement without checking that the vehicles have seen and responded to their red light. This sort of thing is proven to work in other countries, but then other countries seem to have a different attitude on the roads than we do in the UK. BCDR99
  • Score: 0

1:13pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Ph1lxx says...

What about the blind or partially sighted ? There has already been one of them killed in Coventry at a similar junction.

Just remember guide dogs are trained to stop at the kerb - take that away and you have a fatality waiting to happen.
What about the blind or partially sighted ? There has already been one of them killed in Coventry at a similar junction. Just remember guide dogs are trained to stop at the kerb - take that away and you have a fatality waiting to happen. Ph1lxx
  • Score: 11

1:26pm Thu 26 Jun 14

nobody says...

It was difficult to cross over on a Sunday morning, it's a complete nightmare during rush hour.
Yet another junction designed to look pretty but bad for anyone that uses it.
It was difficult to cross over on a Sunday morning, it's a complete nightmare during rush hour. Yet another junction designed to look pretty but bad for anyone that uses it. nobody
  • Score: 8

1:26pm Thu 26 Jun 14

SlantedView says...

"The area between Victoria Road and Commercial Road has now been transformed into a raised pedestrian island, with a 20mph zone in which traffic should give way".

Oh dear!!! A high percentage of people in this town don't understand the basics of road signage or driving practices. Good luck with that one!
"The area between Victoria Road and Commercial Road has now been transformed into a raised pedestrian island, with a 20mph zone in which traffic should give way". Oh dear!!! A high percentage of people in this town don't understand the basics of road signage or driving practices. Good luck with that one! SlantedView
  • Score: 6

1:47pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Alex English says...

GrumpyLocal wrote:
Alex English wrote:
This reflects the approach of the Highways Department who have felt the best way to make roads 'safer' is to deliberately make them more dangerous for about the last 30 years now.

If they stopped putting traffic lights at roundabout entrances/exits and deliberately eliminating driver views of oncoming traffic, the number of road deaths and accidents would be reduced dramatically.
The stat's show that deaths on the roads are falling and maybe that's why they persist with the stupid road designs & layouts. However, cars themselves are far safer than 30-40 years ago which probably is the real reason that road deaths have fallen.
Absolutely. While the reduction in road deaths is obviously good news, it's been a terrible shame that it's happened at the same time they've made the roads deliberately more dangerous.

As you point out, cars themselves are now infinitely safer than they were 30 years ago and the driving test has become progressively more difficult to pass.

Take away the deliberately unsafe road design and the number of accidents and casualties would fall even lower.
[quote][p][bold]GrumpyLocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alex English[/bold] wrote: This reflects the approach of the Highways Department who have felt the best way to make roads 'safer' is to deliberately make them more dangerous for about the last 30 years now. If they stopped putting traffic lights at roundabout entrances/exits and deliberately eliminating driver views of oncoming traffic, the number of road deaths and accidents would be reduced dramatically.[/p][/quote]The stat's show that deaths on the roads are falling and maybe that's why they persist with the stupid road designs & layouts. However, cars themselves are far safer than 30-40 years ago which probably is the real reason that road deaths have fallen.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. While the reduction in road deaths is obviously good news, it's been a terrible shame that it's happened at the same time they've made the roads deliberately more dangerous. As you point out, cars themselves are now infinitely safer than they were 30 years ago and the driving test has become progressively more difficult to pass. Take away the deliberately unsafe road design and the number of accidents and casualties would fall even lower. Alex English
  • Score: 6

2:21pm Thu 26 Jun 14

2wg4wg says...

Additionally the 'ye olde' block paving if frankly hazardous for anyone riding a road bike, the gaps between some of the blocks are wide enough for a 25 or 28mm tyre to drop into.
Additionally the 'ye olde' block paving if frankly hazardous for anyone riding a road bike, the gaps between some of the blocks are wide enough for a 25 or 28mm tyre to drop into. 2wg4wg
  • Score: 18

2:24pm Thu 26 Jun 14

GrumpyLocal says...

SlantedView wrote:
"The area between Victoria Road and Commercial Road has now been transformed into a raised pedestrian island, with a 20mph zone in which traffic should give way".

Oh dear!!! A high percentage of people in this town don't understand the basics of road signage or driving practices. Good luck with that one!
Could anyone direct me to any road sign or markings that stipulate this &/or point me towards the relevant place in the Highway Code where "Raised Pedestrian Islands" are defined. Also point me towards the 20mph speed limit signs too as having cycled through there 3 times this week, I cannot recall seeing them. Mind you I was trying to navigate my way past the holes in the road and avoid being hit by other road users that now have no idea (like me) how the road is supposed to operate.
It is ridiculous that major routes through the town centre can be screwed up in this fashion. If they know what the priorities are going to be, the signage and road markings must be in place for when the road is re-opened. At this point the have openly admitted that they have no idea how it is going to work and as such should have left well enough alone.
[quote][p][bold]SlantedView[/bold] wrote: "The area between Victoria Road and Commercial Road has now been transformed into a raised pedestrian island, with a 20mph zone in which traffic should give way". Oh dear!!! A high percentage of people in this town don't understand the basics of road signage or driving practices. Good luck with that one![/p][/quote]Could anyone direct me to any road sign or markings that stipulate this &/or point me towards the relevant place in the Highway Code where "Raised Pedestrian Islands" are defined. Also point me towards the 20mph speed limit signs too as having cycled through there 3 times this week, I cannot recall seeing them. Mind you I was trying to navigate my way past the holes in the road and avoid being hit by other road users that now have no idea (like me) how the road is supposed to operate. It is ridiculous that major routes through the town centre can be screwed up in this fashion. If they know what the priorities are going to be, the signage and road markings must be in place for when the road is re-opened. At this point the have openly admitted that they have no idea how it is going to work and as such should have left well enough alone. GrumpyLocal
  • Score: 14

2:25pm Thu 26 Jun 14

GrumpyLocal says...

2wg4wg wrote:
Additionally the 'ye olde' block paving if frankly hazardous for anyone riding a road bike, the gaps between some of the blocks are wide enough for a 25 or 28mm tyre to drop into.
Don't even need to drop into them fully, the wheels still get dragged in the direction of the stones rather than the direction you want to travel.
[quote][p][bold]2wg4wg[/bold] wrote: Additionally the 'ye olde' block paving if frankly hazardous for anyone riding a road bike, the gaps between some of the blocks are wide enough for a 25 or 28mm tyre to drop into.[/p][/quote]Don't even need to drop into them fully, the wheels still get dragged in the direction of the stones rather than the direction you want to travel. GrumpyLocal
  • Score: 6

2:28pm Thu 26 Jun 14

BCDR99 says...

Ph1lxx wrote:
What about the blind or partially sighted ? There has already been one of them killed in Coventry at a similar junction.

Just remember guide dogs are trained to stop at the kerb - take that away and you have a fatality waiting to happen.
I understand your point and agree mostly, but the main purpose of these non-segregated sections is to make people think "ooh, there's a blind person there, I'd better stop" rather than the default now which is "I've got a green light - pedal to the metal it is then!"

These sort of things can work if people just changed their attitude to road use. And they generally make the overall feel of the place better because there aren't loads of signs and traffic furniture cluttering the place up.
[quote][p][bold]Ph1lxx[/bold] wrote: What about the blind or partially sighted ? There has already been one of them killed in Coventry at a similar junction. Just remember guide dogs are trained to stop at the kerb - take that away and you have a fatality waiting to happen.[/p][/quote]I understand your point and agree mostly, but the main purpose of these non-segregated sections is to make people think "ooh, there's a blind person there, I'd better stop" rather than the default now which is "I've got a green light - pedal to the metal it is then!" These sort of things can work if people just changed their attitude to road use. And they generally make the overall feel of the place better because there aren't loads of signs and traffic furniture cluttering the place up. BCDR99
  • Score: -3

2:32pm Thu 26 Jun 14

CocoaClown says...

I can't recall seeing any signage with regards to giving way to pedestrians. And I often wonder if the traffic from Commercial Road is still to give way to traffic from Victoria Road.

Something needs to be done with regards to all the cars/lorries/vans which park in the laybys here longways, hanging over into the road, as they force vehicles over into the other lane.
I can't recall seeing any signage with regards to giving way to pedestrians. And I often wonder if the traffic from Commercial Road is still to give way to traffic from Victoria Road. Something needs to be done with regards to all the cars/lorries/vans which park in the laybys here longways, hanging over into the road, as they force vehicles over into the other lane. CocoaClown
  • Score: 12

2:59pm Thu 26 Jun 14

GrumpyLocal says...

BCDR99 wrote:
Ph1lxx wrote:
What about the blind or partially sighted ? There has already been one of them killed in Coventry at a similar junction.

Just remember guide dogs are trained to stop at the kerb - take that away and you have a fatality waiting to happen.
I understand your point and agree mostly, but the main purpose of these non-segregated sections is to make people think "ooh, there's a blind person there, I'd better stop" rather than the default now which is "I've got a green light - pedal to the metal it is then!"

These sort of things can work if people just changed their attitude to road use. And they generally make the overall feel of the place better because there aren't loads of signs and traffic furniture cluttering the place up.
Yes schemes like this can work, and do in areas where the bulk of traffic is able to be rerouted to alternative roads & is ideal where access by care is required for collection of goods or access to (otherwise remote) areas of town centres, but not on a major through route such as this.
At the very least the "raised pedestrian area" should start at the traffic light controlled junctions at the bottom of Victoria Rd. Here you can easily fix signs to the existing street furniture whilst the lights themselves provide some sort obvious barrier between at the end of the normal road.
Some areas that claim to have benefited from this sort of layout and reduced casualties have also seen a 93% drop in the number of car journeys through the area. With the current network in Swindon this could not work.
[quote][p][bold]BCDR99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ph1lxx[/bold] wrote: What about the blind or partially sighted ? There has already been one of them killed in Coventry at a similar junction. Just remember guide dogs are trained to stop at the kerb - take that away and you have a fatality waiting to happen.[/p][/quote]I understand your point and agree mostly, but the main purpose of these non-segregated sections is to make people think "ooh, there's a blind person there, I'd better stop" rather than the default now which is "I've got a green light - pedal to the metal it is then!" These sort of things can work if people just changed their attitude to road use. And they generally make the overall feel of the place better because there aren't loads of signs and traffic furniture cluttering the place up.[/p][/quote]Yes schemes like this can work, and do in areas where the bulk of traffic is able to be rerouted to alternative roads & is ideal where access by care is required for collection of goods or access to (otherwise remote) areas of town centres, but not on a major through route such as this. At the very least the "raised pedestrian area" should start at the traffic light controlled junctions at the bottom of Victoria Rd. Here you can easily fix signs to the existing street furniture whilst the lights themselves provide some sort obvious barrier between at the end of the normal road. Some areas that claim to have benefited from this sort of layout and reduced casualties have also seen a 93% drop in the number of car journeys through the area. With the current network in Swindon this could not work. GrumpyLocal
  • Score: 8

4:40pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Klinkerhoffen says...

Schemes like this can work where there are relatively low volumes of motor traffic, or where there are relatively low numbers of pedestrians. But the genius behind this ****-up seems to have forgotten that not only is Regents and important and busy road junction, its also pretty much the one place which everyone goes through on foot between old town and central (not to mention to and fro from the Library, Wyvern or busy bus stops). This place will go into meltdown at around 9am or 5pm, won't it? What klutz thought this was going to work? Lets hope we don't see someone killed.
Schemes like this can work where there are relatively low volumes of motor traffic, or where there are relatively low numbers of pedestrians. But the genius behind this ****-up seems to have forgotten that not only is Regents and important and busy road junction, its also pretty much the one place which everyone goes through on foot between old town and central (not to mention to and fro from the Library, Wyvern or busy bus stops). This place will go into meltdown at around 9am or 5pm, won't it? What klutz thought this was going to work? Lets hope we don't see someone killed. Klinkerhoffen
  • Score: 11

6:28pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Klinkerhoffen says...

Can anyone point me anywhere where I can find out more about this whole issue?
Can anyone point me anywhere where I can find out more about this whole issue? Klinkerhoffen
  • Score: 0

6:53pm Thu 26 Jun 14

barlizard says...

Its all about money with the council!
Trying to save the cost of installing and maintaining traffic lights!!
Its all about money with the council! Trying to save the cost of installing and maintaining traffic lights!! barlizard
  • Score: 5

7:49pm Thu 26 Jun 14

faatmaan says...

any more nails in the town centre coffin,? again we see unrequited indulgence by planners who visit Swindon but would never live here.
any more nails in the town centre coffin,? again we see unrequited indulgence by planners who visit Swindon but would never live here. faatmaan
  • Score: 2

11:34pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Ollie Dognacky says...

Klinkerhoffen wrote:
Can anyone point me anywhere where I can find out more about this whole issue?
You could try talkswindon.org
. Somebody on that site may have done some investigation.
The alternative is to believe that Swindon Borough Clownskool has the foggiest idea about anything other than politics and spin
[quote][p][bold]Klinkerhoffen[/bold] wrote: Can anyone point me anywhere where I can find out more about this whole issue?[/p][/quote]You could try talkswindon.org . Somebody on that site may have done some investigation. The alternative is to believe that Swindon Borough Clownskool has the foggiest idea about anything other than politics and spin Ollie Dognacky
  • Score: 0

7:01am Fri 27 Jun 14

semitonic says...

"The scheme has been designed and paid for by the developer"

Well I suppose we should be thankful that it wasn't designed and paid for by SBC. Then it really would have been an unmitigated disaster.
"The scheme has been designed and paid for by the developer" Well I suppose we should be thankful that it wasn't designed and paid for by SBC. Then it really would have been an unmitigated disaster. semitonic
  • Score: 1

9:59am Fri 27 Jun 14

Wiltshirereader says...

I was recently at a social function with a lot of people, and sure enough the conversation came around to the new Development at Regent Circus. It would have had a positive vibe had the whole group talked about what a bonus to the town the new centre would be BUT sadly the whole topic was THE CONFUSION CAUSED TO BOTH PEDESTRIANS AND DRIVERS OF WHO EXACTLY HAS RIGHT OF WAY?? Personally I've already seen a few near misses - let's hope that doesn't continue. Proper road markings or signage MUST be erected very soon to avoid a catastrophe!!!!
I was recently at a social function with a lot of people, and sure enough the conversation came around to the new Development at Regent Circus. It would have had a positive vibe had the whole group talked about what a bonus to the town the new centre would be BUT sadly the whole topic was THE CONFUSION CAUSED TO BOTH PEDESTRIANS AND DRIVERS OF WHO EXACTLY HAS RIGHT OF WAY?? Personally I've already seen a few near misses - let's hope that doesn't continue. Proper road markings or signage MUST be erected very soon to avoid a catastrophe!!!! Wiltshirereader
  • Score: 4

11:29am Fri 27 Jun 14

mug? says...

BCDR99 wrote:
Ph1lxx wrote:
What about the blind or partially sighted ? There has already been one of them killed in Coventry at a similar junction.

Just remember guide dogs are trained to stop at the kerb - take that away and you have a fatality waiting to happen.
I understand your point and agree mostly, but the main purpose of these non-segregated sections is to make people think "ooh, there's a blind person there, I'd better stop" rather than the default now which is "I've got a green light - pedal to the metal it is then!"

These sort of things can work if people just changed their attitude to road use. And they generally make the overall feel of the place better because there aren't loads of signs and traffic furniture cluttering the place up.
Most road users don't care about other road users unfortunately. They only want to get to their destination as fast as they possibly can, to hell with anyone else. I see so many car/motorbike/cyclis
ts jumping red lights in Swindon now it is ridiculous, not to mention peoples aggressive driving styles. I even had on idiot chasing me down great western way after I beeped my horn at him to warn him of my presence when he started cutting into the lane I was in! Even going all the way round a roundabout didn't get rid of him.

Not to mention the car drivers that insist on overtaking cyclist when I am coming towards them in the opposite lane then giving me a dirty look. They'll lose all of what 30 seconds if they wait for a clear section of road and then regain it again when they get to a traffic light at green and don't have to stop because they were slowed down fractionally!

/rant

As for the aforementioned road system - why not put a zebra crossing in? Everyone knows how to use those!

"We aren’t saying it’s necessarily going to be perfect straight away, which is why it will be subjected to an independent safety audit and if things need to be changed as a result of that, they will be."

How about trying to make it perfect straight away, that way cost and disruption are reduced. There was a child killed by a bus on one of these raised pedestrian areas not so long back. They are bloody dangerous! When I first came across this area at regent circus, pedestrians just walked straight out in front of me and I didn't have a clue what was going on! Obviously I didn't want to kill or maim anyone and was going slow because I was confused by the layout but some people just don't care!
[quote][p][bold]BCDR99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ph1lxx[/bold] wrote: What about the blind or partially sighted ? There has already been one of them killed in Coventry at a similar junction. Just remember guide dogs are trained to stop at the kerb - take that away and you have a fatality waiting to happen.[/p][/quote]I understand your point and agree mostly, but the main purpose of these non-segregated sections is to make people think "ooh, there's a blind person there, I'd better stop" rather than the default now which is "I've got a green light - pedal to the metal it is then!" These sort of things can work if people just changed their attitude to road use. And they generally make the overall feel of the place better because there aren't loads of signs and traffic furniture cluttering the place up.[/p][/quote]Most road users don't care about other road users unfortunately. They only want to get to their destination as fast as they possibly can, to hell with anyone else. I see so many car/motorbike/cyclis ts jumping red lights in Swindon now it is ridiculous, not to mention peoples aggressive driving styles. I even had on idiot chasing me down great western way after I beeped my horn at him to warn him of my presence when he started cutting into the lane I was in! Even going all the way round a roundabout didn't get rid of him. Not to mention the car drivers that insist on overtaking cyclist when I am coming towards them in the opposite lane then giving me a dirty look. They'll lose all of what 30 seconds if they wait for a clear section of road and then regain it again when they get to a traffic light at green and don't have to stop because they were slowed down fractionally! /rant As for the aforementioned road system - why not put a zebra crossing in? Everyone knows how to use those! "We aren’t saying it’s necessarily going to be perfect straight away, which is why it will be subjected to an independent safety audit and if things need to be changed as a result of that, they will be." How about trying to make it perfect straight away, that way cost and disruption are reduced. There was a child killed by a bus on one of these raised pedestrian areas not so long back. They are bloody dangerous! When I first came across this area at regent circus, pedestrians just walked straight out in front of me and I didn't have a clue what was going on! Obviously I didn't want to kill or maim anyone and was going slow because I was confused by the layout but some people just don't care! mug?
  • Score: 3

12:26pm Fri 27 Jun 14

GrumpyLocal says...

Found the 20mph signs on the way home yesterday. They are at knee height on railings that tend to get obscured by parked cars outside the Khyber. Absolutely pathetic.
Found the 20mph signs on the way home yesterday. They are at knee height on railings that tend to get obscured by parked cars outside the Khyber. Absolutely pathetic. GrumpyLocal
  • Score: 3
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