Dominatrix rules punishment business with a very firm hand

This Is Wiltshire: Aemilia Hawk says the BDSM scene is very different to its portrayal in the media. Aemilia Hawk says the BDSM scene is very different to its portrayal in the media.

In the second part of her series on the risqué side of Swindon, LIZ MACKLEY meets lifestyle dominatrix Aemilia Hawk... 

THE UK is the kinkiest country in the world, according to lifestyle dominatrix Aemilia Hawk, and Swindon is no exception.

The 36-year-old, who also runs her own online business selling chainmail jewellery and leather floggers, is one of the leading teachers in Kimbach – a particular type of Japanese rope bondage.

She even keeps a rope suspension rig in her office to play with whenever the mood takes her.

She said: “Britain is kinkier than any country I know. But we’re closet kinks. The rest of the world is liberated, but we’re prudish. You can lose your job for it.

“It’s probably more popular here because it’s taboo.”

Aemilia hopes that as more and more BDSM related products – from handcuffs and floggers to novels like the immensely popular Fifty Shades of Grey by E. L. James – enter the mainstream commercial market, understanding of the practice will grow and be more widely accepted.

She said: “It’s already in the mainstream.

“Ann Summers sell BDSM items. I wouldn’t say they’re particularly good BDSM items and it’s not at all like what I sell, but it’s in the mainstream. People just don’t like to admit it.

“I think one day it will be more accepted. It’s already much more accepted in Europe and it’s already becoming mainstream in the UK. I just think it will take a little while longer and for more people to understand.”

BDSM refers to a variety of interpersonal, sometimes erotic practices involving two or more people for pleasure and recreation, including dominance and submission, role-playing, restrain and bondage, and other dynamics.

In popular culture, it is widely regarded as highly sexual, but for Aemilia, whose partner does not enjoy or take part in BDSM practices, it has absolutely nothing to do with sex.

She said: “BDSM stands for a number of different practices that include bondage and discipline, sadism and masochism and submission and dominance.

“It has absolutely nothing to do with sex.

“Even pro-doms – professional dominants who sell their services, they don’t offer sex because that takes away their power and control. They also don’t really do BDSM. That’s mainly fetishes, like dressing up in uniforms or wearing latex.

“My girlfriend knows what I like to do and doesn’t mind it. She tried it but it just didn’t do anything for her and she didn’t really like it.

“I have a code of etiquette and morality. A lot of people on the scene do. Obviously if it was about sex, it would be cheating. So that’s completely off limits.”

One of the main reasons why many people disapprove of the lifestyle is the perceived association with abuse, with many assumptions that flogging someone, or wishing to inflict pain and then administering it, is tantamount to assault.

But Aemilia clarifies that setting out to inflict unwelcome pain sensations is not what the lifestyle is about and everything is carried out from the foundation of consent.

In fact, there are two phrases well known throughout the scene – ‘RISK’ – risk aware consensual kink, and SSC – safe, sane and consensual.

Aemilia said: “The enjoyment comes from flogging someone who wants to be flogged, the enjoyment comes from doing something to somebody else that they want you to do to them.

“And I know they want me to do it to them because I never play with strangers, only with a few particular close friends.”

“Domestic abuse cases on the scene are actually very rare. And in fact, although the dominants are supposed to be on top it’s actually the submissives who are always in control. They just need to turn around and say they don’t want to do it and it’s over.

“Pain is just a sensation. It can be fun to play with, but you don’t have to.

“It’s like when you watch a horror movie. Why do we do it, it’s scary, but it’s fun, because you know you’re safe. It’s controlled and you know it’s not real.”

But being a ‘lifestyle dominatrix’ does not mean that Aemilia attempts to flog and control everyone who she meets. In fact, she says, a lifestyle BDSM practitioner is someone who just makes it a regular aspect in their life.

She said: “There are a lot of blogs and forums from ‘full-time BDSMers’ – but it’s fantasy. You can’t do this all the time but everyone likes a bit of make-believe, and that’s half the fun of it.

“It’s all roleplay and exaggeration. It’s fun. ”

Aemilia first became interested in the scene through a fascination with bull whips.

“When you use a bull whip you never actually touch the person, you just crack it near them. It takes a lot of skill.

“You get groups of people meeting in parks just cracking bull whips. More often than not they are part of the scene, and they have people come up wanting to have a go. It just went from there really, I started getting interested in floggers and everything else.”

As Aemilia grew older, she became more interested in the scene until finally she took the leap and went to her first event about 13 years ago.

She said: “It’s always a bit daunting the first time you try something but if you don’t try it, you don’t know. You keep meeting the same people as well and make friends on the scene, like you do in any sort of club.”

  • Aemilia’s business grew from a spare-room hobby to a fully-fledged online store after she began to make chain-mail jewellery.

She later expanded her ‘little world of weirdness’ to include hand-made bespoke floggers and whips in a variety of different textures and soft leathers – all designed to give a different kind of sensation.

She also designs and makes collars used by some practitioners to signal ownership.
She said: “The leather is so soft, it’s so difficult to hurt someone with it. I never really expected it to grow this big when I started.”

She also holds regular workshops to show customers how to use the equipment she makes safely, as well as how to do Japanese rope bondage.
She said: “If you use the equipment, you need to know how to use it safely if you are going to be using it on another person.

“Almost everyone who is interested in doing these things do come and learn how to use them properly.

“If you don’t know how to use it it’s not going to be enjoyable for anyone.”
To find out more about Aemilia, her workshops, or about the local BDSM scene, contact her through her blog at www.aemiliahawk.wordpress.com/the-mistress

 

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6:51am Thu 24 Jul 14

EastleazeRed says...

Jesus wept ! Is this paper taking the pi$$ ? Yesterday they were advertising some slapper twisting round a pole now a dominatrix , the editor seems obsessed with the sex industry . Since the Advertiser moved to Oxford ? Well enough said !
Jesus wept ! Is this paper taking the pi$$ ? Yesterday they were advertising some slapper twisting round a pole now a dominatrix , the editor seems obsessed with the sex industry . Since the Advertiser moved to Oxford ? Well enough said ! EastleazeRed
  • Score: 38

6:54am Thu 24 Jul 14

house on the hill says...

I think what she says about people being "closet kinks" is totally correct. Under the surface there is a lot of "interesting" things being done in private, which is where they should be done. We are clearly becoming far more open minded but still not prepared to talk openly about it for risk of losing our jobs or friends etc, but in reality they are probably the same or worse? I have met more than a few who have surprised me in how different their private and public persona's are.

Good for this lady bringing it out into the open, all we tend to read on here is the pole dancing and strip shows that both men and women go to, usually when a lot of alcolhol is involved rather than what people do in the privacy of their own homes or with other consenting adults. Yes of course we need to be careful to ensure we are aware of the difference between sexuality/dominance and abuse and make sure only those who fully consent, but we should also learn to be far more open and be abl to talk about who we really are rather than constantly having to pretend. I have encountered far too many narrow minded bigots in my life who say they are open minded but in reality are not and we can but hope that changes over time.
I think what she says about people being "closet kinks" is totally correct. Under the surface there is a lot of "interesting" things being done in private, which is where they should be done. We are clearly becoming far more open minded but still not prepared to talk openly about it for risk of losing our jobs or friends etc, but in reality they are probably the same or worse? I have met more than a few who have surprised me in how different their private and public persona's are. Good for this lady bringing it out into the open, all we tend to read on here is the pole dancing and strip shows that both men and women go to, usually when a lot of alcolhol is involved rather than what people do in the privacy of their own homes or with other consenting adults. Yes of course we need to be careful to ensure we are aware of the difference between sexuality/dominance and abuse and make sure only those who fully consent, but we should also learn to be far more open and be abl to talk about who we really are rather than constantly having to pretend. I have encountered far too many narrow minded bigots in my life who say they are open minded but in reality are not and we can but hope that changes over time. house on the hill
  • Score: -5

7:29am Thu 24 Jul 14

there-their-they're says...

These people must have had major childhood problems which they are acting out/working through by partaking in BDSM activities. This is probably a sub-conscious attempt to take back control of their lives by being a dominant or to relive and understand experiences by being submissive.
These people must have had major childhood problems which they are acting out/working through by partaking in BDSM activities. This is probably a sub-conscious attempt to take back control of their lives by being a dominant or to relive and understand experiences by being submissive. there-their-they're
  • Score: -12

7:36am Thu 24 Jul 14

787driver says...

I agree with eastleaze. The paper is plumbing new depths this week.
We don't exactly have an upmarket reputation but crapping on about pole dancers and this woman doesn't exactly help.
If there isn't any news, I suggest you write nothing.
I agree with eastleaze. The paper is plumbing new depths this week. We don't exactly have an upmarket reputation but crapping on about pole dancers and this woman doesn't exactly help. If there isn't any news, I suggest you write nothing. 787driver
  • Score: 28

7:38am Thu 24 Jul 14

The Jockster says...

EastleazeRed wrote:
Jesus wept ! Is this paper taking the pi$$ ? Yesterday they were advertising some slapper twisting round a pole now a dominatrix , the editor seems obsessed with the sex industry . Since the Advertiser moved to Oxford ? Well enough said !
Unbelievable! Giving free publicity to a person promoting a business that is hardly in "the public interest" the Adver was/is known locally as the Rag and lately it's certainly living up to that reputation.
What next? An article about how paedophiles are misunderstood, how working street girls that need to turn tricks for that fix.
[quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: Jesus wept ! Is this paper taking the pi$$ ? Yesterday they were advertising some slapper twisting round a pole now a dominatrix , the editor seems obsessed with the sex industry . Since the Advertiser moved to Oxford ? Well enough said ![/p][/quote]Unbelievable! Giving free publicity to a person promoting a business that is hardly in "the public interest" the Adver was/is known locally as the Rag and lately it's certainly living up to that reputation. What next? An article about how paedophiles are misunderstood, how working street girls that need to turn tricks for that fix. The Jockster
  • Score: 23

8:36am Thu 24 Jul 14

Chowmai says...

Welcome to the Oxford Advertiser.
Welcome to the Oxford Advertiser. Chowmai
  • Score: 8

9:05am Thu 24 Jul 14

nigelej says...

How refreshing to have something different to debate other than bad or sad or political news . Yet sad that so many people have started with such negative response to this story . Well done house on the hill great comments and nice to see your view . You and I don't always see eye to eye but I'm with you all the way with this one . We have become so politicaly correct we dare not talk about these things . I for one think its refreshing news and hope we have more and more of these stories and stop shying away from the real world and lets have less of the doom and gloom that keeps us so happy .
How refreshing to have something different to debate other than bad or sad or political news . Yet sad that so many people have started with such negative response to this story . Well done house on the hill great comments and nice to see your view . You and I don't always see eye to eye but I'm with you all the way with this one . We have become so politicaly correct we dare not talk about these things . I for one think its refreshing news and hope we have more and more of these stories and stop shying away from the real world and lets have less of the doom and gloom that keeps us so happy . nigelej
  • Score: -1

9:09am Thu 24 Jul 14

Sandor Clegane says...

787driver wrote:
I agree with eastleaze. The paper is plumbing new depths this week.
We don't exactly have an upmarket reputation but crapping on about pole dancers and this woman doesn't exactly help.
If there isn't any news, I suggest you write nothing.
Writing 'nothing' isn't really the best suggestion you could offer a newspaper.
[quote][p][bold]787driver[/bold] wrote: I agree with eastleaze. The paper is plumbing new depths this week. We don't exactly have an upmarket reputation but crapping on about pole dancers and this woman doesn't exactly help. If there isn't any news, I suggest you write nothing.[/p][/quote]Writing 'nothing' isn't really the best suggestion you could offer a newspaper. Sandor Clegane
  • Score: 1

9:49am Thu 24 Jul 14

towney says...

The Adver has never had the best reputation for being a quality local newspaper but now it has sunk to an all time low. Glorified prostitutes yesterday and today BDSM! What an earth is going on?. The Adver is just making itself look even more of a huge joke now.
The Adver has never had the best reputation for being a quality local newspaper but now it has sunk to an all time low. Glorified prostitutes yesterday and today BDSM! What an earth is going on?. The Adver is just making itself look even more of a huge joke now. towney
  • Score: -1

11:30am Thu 24 Jul 14

scottwichall says...

Well spank my bottom and call me Shirley...
Well spank my bottom and call me Shirley... scottwichall
  • Score: 16

11:48am Thu 24 Jul 14

Big Time says...

Thumbs down for the Adver
Thumbs down for the Adver Big Time
  • Score: -3

12:34pm Thu 24 Jul 14

house on the hill says...

nigelej wrote:
How refreshing to have something different to debate other than bad or sad or political news . Yet sad that so many people have started with such negative response to this story . Well done house on the hill great comments and nice to see your view . You and I don't always see eye to eye but I'm with you all the way with this one . We have become so politicaly correct we dare not talk about these things . I for one think its refreshing news and hope we have more and more of these stories and stop shying away from the real world and lets have less of the doom and gloom that keeps us so happy .
Nigel, clearly the lady in the article needs to rethink her statement that we are are "closet kinks" as clearly we are just a bunch of narrow minded bigots. And I see what both men and women do in pole or strip clubs leering at the opposite sex while usually under the influence of too much alcohol for money (it's just sad) as very different to what is being discussed here in the privacy of your own home and a "lifestyle" choice.

But yes no one is prepared to say who they really are or what they do for fear of being ridiculed or worse as have become PC in the extreme. I have friends in all sorts of different "relationships" all of whom are very well adjusted and perfectly in control of how they live their lives. To me those addicted to alcohol and drugs have far more "issues" that those being discussed here. Good on you Aemilia for speaking out in this insular double standards society we are living in.

And Nigel we are not that far apart on how we think. we both agree that those who need help should always receive it and those that don't should take more responsibility for their lives and stop "playing the system" and relying on others to bail out their life choices. In a country where more than half the adult population are new takers from the state than contributors, that is clearly both unfair and unsustainable. And of could it would free up more resources to help those like you who clearly need it.
[quote][p][bold]nigelej[/bold] wrote: How refreshing to have something different to debate other than bad or sad or political news . Yet sad that so many people have started with such negative response to this story . Well done house on the hill great comments and nice to see your view . You and I don't always see eye to eye but I'm with you all the way with this one . We have become so politicaly correct we dare not talk about these things . I for one think its refreshing news and hope we have more and more of these stories and stop shying away from the real world and lets have less of the doom and gloom that keeps us so happy .[/p][/quote]Nigel, clearly the lady in the article needs to rethink her statement that we are are "closet kinks" as clearly we are just a bunch of narrow minded bigots. And I see what both men and women do in pole or strip clubs leering at the opposite sex while usually under the influence of too much alcohol for money (it's just sad) as very different to what is being discussed here in the privacy of your own home and a "lifestyle" choice. But yes no one is prepared to say who they really are or what they do for fear of being ridiculed or worse as have become PC in the extreme. I have friends in all sorts of different "relationships" all of whom are very well adjusted and perfectly in control of how they live their lives. To me those addicted to alcohol and drugs have far more "issues" that those being discussed here. Good on you Aemilia for speaking out in this insular double standards society we are living in. And Nigel we are not that far apart on how we think. we both agree that those who need help should always receive it and those that don't should take more responsibility for their lives and stop "playing the system" and relying on others to bail out their life choices. In a country where more than half the adult population are new takers from the state than contributors, that is clearly both unfair and unsustainable. And of could it would free up more resources to help those like you who clearly need it. house on the hill
  • Score: -1

1:15pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

house on the hill wrote:
I think what she says about people being "closet kinks" is totally correct. Under the surface there is a lot of "interesting" things being done in private, which is where they should be done. We are clearly becoming far more open minded but still not prepared to talk openly about it for risk of losing our jobs or friends etc, but in reality they are probably the same or worse? I have met more than a few who have surprised me in how different their private and public persona's are.

Good for this lady bringing it out into the open, all we tend to read on here is the pole dancing and strip shows that both men and women go to, usually when a lot of alcolhol is involved rather than what people do in the privacy of their own homes or with other consenting adults. Yes of course we need to be careful to ensure we are aware of the difference between sexuality/dominance and abuse and make sure only those who fully consent, but we should also learn to be far more open and be abl to talk about who we really are rather than constantly having to pretend. I have encountered far too many narrow minded bigots in my life who say they are open minded but in reality are not and we can but hope that changes over time.
Very well put.
What people enjoy at home is none of my business as long as nobody is hurt (any more than they want to).
To those who are saying that the Adver is seeking new depths the opening paragraph states its a series about a side of the town that traditionally is not looked at in an open manor. The greater the level of education the lower the level of ignorance, that is true of all things.

Aging town? out of touch? choosing to ignore the world outside of their bubble? Surely not......
Its not an article about parking etc but genuine local interest well for those that want to know more than best times to use the tip.
Varied stories.....Keep up the good work
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: I think what she says about people being "closet kinks" is totally correct. Under the surface there is a lot of "interesting" things being done in private, which is where they should be done. We are clearly becoming far more open minded but still not prepared to talk openly about it for risk of losing our jobs or friends etc, but in reality they are probably the same or worse? I have met more than a few who have surprised me in how different their private and public persona's are. Good for this lady bringing it out into the open, all we tend to read on here is the pole dancing and strip shows that both men and women go to, usually when a lot of alcolhol is involved rather than what people do in the privacy of their own homes or with other consenting adults. Yes of course we need to be careful to ensure we are aware of the difference between sexuality/dominance and abuse and make sure only those who fully consent, but we should also learn to be far more open and be abl to talk about who we really are rather than constantly having to pretend. I have encountered far too many narrow minded bigots in my life who say they are open minded but in reality are not and we can but hope that changes over time.[/p][/quote]Very well put. What people enjoy at home is none of my business as long as nobody is hurt (any more than they want to). To those who are saying that the Adver is seeking new depths the opening paragraph states its a series about a side of the town that traditionally is not looked at in an open manor. The greater the level of education the lower the level of ignorance, that is true of all things. Aging town? out of touch? choosing to ignore the world outside of their bubble? Surely not...... Its not an article about parking etc but genuine local interest well for those that want to know more than best times to use the tip. Varied stories.....Keep up the good work Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 5

1:48pm Thu 24 Jul 14

nigelej says...

house on the hill wrote:
nigelej wrote:
How refreshing to have something different to debate other than bad or sad or political news . Yet sad that so many people have started with such negative response to this story . Well done house on the hill great comments and nice to see your view . You and I don't always see eye to eye but I'm with you all the way with this one . We have become so politicaly correct we dare not talk about these things . I for one think its refreshing news and hope we have more and more of these stories and stop shying away from the real world and lets have less of the doom and gloom that keeps us so happy .
Nigel, clearly the lady in the article needs to rethink her statement that we are are "closet kinks" as clearly we are just a bunch of narrow minded bigots. And I see what both men and women do in pole or strip clubs leering at the opposite sex while usually under the influence of too much alcohol for money (it's just sad) as very different to what is being discussed here in the privacy of your own home and a "lifestyle" choice.

But yes no one is prepared to say who they really are or what they do for fear of being ridiculed or worse as have become PC in the extreme. I have friends in all sorts of different "relationships" all of whom are very well adjusted and perfectly in control of how they live their lives. To me those addicted to alcohol and drugs have far more "issues" that those being discussed here. Good on you Aemilia for speaking out in this insular double standards society we are living in.

And Nigel we are not that far apart on how we think. we both agree that those who need help should always receive it and those that don't should take more responsibility for their lives and stop "playing the system" and relying on others to bail out their life choices. In a country where more than half the adult population are new takers from the state than contributors, that is clearly both unfair and unsustainable. And of could it would free up more resources to help those like you who clearly need it.
Very well said . I really thought it was something different to read and like you I know people who live there life's the way they want to and would love to talk about it but are afraid to do so . Yet to me its tame . Unfortunatly for me everything is past now so I can only think what would or wouldn't be pleasurable . And yes you are right we do both think very much the same . And having seen some of those progremes about benefits I can and do understand how sickening it must be for the tax payer . Not been on here much lately due to health but back now and good to catch up . Again well said .
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigelej[/bold] wrote: How refreshing to have something different to debate other than bad or sad or political news . Yet sad that so many people have started with such negative response to this story . Well done house on the hill great comments and nice to see your view . You and I don't always see eye to eye but I'm with you all the way with this one . We have become so politicaly correct we dare not talk about these things . I for one think its refreshing news and hope we have more and more of these stories and stop shying away from the real world and lets have less of the doom and gloom that keeps us so happy .[/p][/quote]Nigel, clearly the lady in the article needs to rethink her statement that we are are "closet kinks" as clearly we are just a bunch of narrow minded bigots. And I see what both men and women do in pole or strip clubs leering at the opposite sex while usually under the influence of too much alcohol for money (it's just sad) as very different to what is being discussed here in the privacy of your own home and a "lifestyle" choice. But yes no one is prepared to say who they really are or what they do for fear of being ridiculed or worse as have become PC in the extreme. I have friends in all sorts of different "relationships" all of whom are very well adjusted and perfectly in control of how they live their lives. To me those addicted to alcohol and drugs have far more "issues" that those being discussed here. Good on you Aemilia for speaking out in this insular double standards society we are living in. And Nigel we are not that far apart on how we think. we both agree that those who need help should always receive it and those that don't should take more responsibility for their lives and stop "playing the system" and relying on others to bail out their life choices. In a country where more than half the adult population are new takers from the state than contributors, that is clearly both unfair and unsustainable. And of could it would free up more resources to help those like you who clearly need it.[/p][/quote]Very well said . I really thought it was something different to read and like you I know people who live there life's the way they want to and would love to talk about it but are afraid to do so . Yet to me its tame . Unfortunatly for me everything is past now so I can only think what would or wouldn't be pleasurable . And yes you are right we do both think very much the same . And having seen some of those progremes about benefits I can and do understand how sickening it must be for the tax payer . Not been on here much lately due to health but back now and good to catch up . Again well said . nigelej
  • Score: -1

2:10pm Thu 24 Jul 14

house on the hill says...

nigelej wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
nigelej wrote:
How refreshing to have something different to debate other than bad or sad or political news . Yet sad that so many people have started with such negative response to this story . Well done house on the hill great comments and nice to see your view . You and I don't always see eye to eye but I'm with you all the way with this one . We have become so politicaly correct we dare not talk about these things . I for one think its refreshing news and hope we have more and more of these stories and stop shying away from the real world and lets have less of the doom and gloom that keeps us so happy .
Nigel, clearly the lady in the article needs to rethink her statement that we are are "closet kinks" as clearly we are just a bunch of narrow minded bigots. And I see what both men and women do in pole or strip clubs leering at the opposite sex while usually under the influence of too much alcohol for money (it's just sad) as very different to what is being discussed here in the privacy of your own home and a "lifestyle" choice.

But yes no one is prepared to say who they really are or what they do for fear of being ridiculed or worse as have become PC in the extreme. I have friends in all sorts of different "relationships" all of whom are very well adjusted and perfectly in control of how they live their lives. To me those addicted to alcohol and drugs have far more "issues" that those being discussed here. Good on you Aemilia for speaking out in this insular double standards society we are living in.

And Nigel we are not that far apart on how we think. we both agree that those who need help should always receive it and those that don't should take more responsibility for their lives and stop "playing the system" and relying on others to bail out their life choices. In a country where more than half the adult population are new takers from the state than contributors, that is clearly both unfair and unsustainable. And of could it would free up more resources to help those like you who clearly need it.
Very well said . I really thought it was something different to read and like you I know people who live there life's the way they want to and would love to talk about it but are afraid to do so . Yet to me its tame . Unfortunatly for me everything is past now so I can only think what would or wouldn't be pleasurable . And yes you are right we do both think very much the same . And having seen some of those progremes about benefits I can and do understand how sickening it must be for the tax payer . Not been on here much lately due to health but back now and good to catch up . Again well said .
Hope you are feeling better now Nigel and very sorry that it is past and not present for you.

For me as I have got older my mind has become far more open and have experienced many things I either never thought about or never knew even existed and have met some very interesting people and made good friends along the way. It just saddens me that so many live their lives in such a small "bubble" and yet seem able to pass judgement on things they know very little or even nothing about (for example saying that Swindon is a great place to live when they have never lived anywhere else so have nothing to compare against). We need more open discussions not less and more open minds not afraid to be who they are instead of having to hide away in fear of the narrow minded. Don't see that changing anytime soon though.
[quote][p][bold]nigelej[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigelej[/bold] wrote: How refreshing to have something different to debate other than bad or sad or political news . Yet sad that so many people have started with such negative response to this story . Well done house on the hill great comments and nice to see your view . You and I don't always see eye to eye but I'm with you all the way with this one . We have become so politicaly correct we dare not talk about these things . I for one think its refreshing news and hope we have more and more of these stories and stop shying away from the real world and lets have less of the doom and gloom that keeps us so happy .[/p][/quote]Nigel, clearly the lady in the article needs to rethink her statement that we are are "closet kinks" as clearly we are just a bunch of narrow minded bigots. And I see what both men and women do in pole or strip clubs leering at the opposite sex while usually under the influence of too much alcohol for money (it's just sad) as very different to what is being discussed here in the privacy of your own home and a "lifestyle" choice. But yes no one is prepared to say who they really are or what they do for fear of being ridiculed or worse as have become PC in the extreme. I have friends in all sorts of different "relationships" all of whom are very well adjusted and perfectly in control of how they live their lives. To me those addicted to alcohol and drugs have far more "issues" that those being discussed here. Good on you Aemilia for speaking out in this insular double standards society we are living in. And Nigel we are not that far apart on how we think. we both agree that those who need help should always receive it and those that don't should take more responsibility for their lives and stop "playing the system" and relying on others to bail out their life choices. In a country where more than half the adult population are new takers from the state than contributors, that is clearly both unfair and unsustainable. And of could it would free up more resources to help those like you who clearly need it.[/p][/quote]Very well said . I really thought it was something different to read and like you I know people who live there life's the way they want to and would love to talk about it but are afraid to do so . Yet to me its tame . Unfortunatly for me everything is past now so I can only think what would or wouldn't be pleasurable . And yes you are right we do both think very much the same . And having seen some of those progremes about benefits I can and do understand how sickening it must be for the tax payer . Not been on here much lately due to health but back now and good to catch up . Again well said .[/p][/quote]Hope you are feeling better now Nigel and very sorry that it is past and not present for you. For me as I have got older my mind has become far more open and have experienced many things I either never thought about or never knew even existed and have met some very interesting people and made good friends along the way. It just saddens me that so many live their lives in such a small "bubble" and yet seem able to pass judgement on things they know very little or even nothing about (for example saying that Swindon is a great place to live when they have never lived anywhere else so have nothing to compare against). We need more open discussions not less and more open minds not afraid to be who they are instead of having to hide away in fear of the narrow minded. Don't see that changing anytime soon though. house on the hill
  • Score: -2

2:17pm Thu 24 Jul 14

mrwoo says...

You never know, maybe even one day bumming will become legal, probably not in my lifetime but one day! Enlightened times indeed!
You never know, maybe even one day bumming will become legal, probably not in my lifetime but one day! Enlightened times indeed! mrwoo
  • Score: -1

2:19pm Thu 24 Jul 14

nigelej says...

house on the hill wrote:
nigelej wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
nigelej wrote:
How refreshing to have something different to debate other than bad or sad or political news . Yet sad that so many people have started with such negative response to this story . Well done house on the hill great comments and nice to see your view . You and I don't always see eye to eye but I'm with you all the way with this one . We have become so politicaly correct we dare not talk about these things . I for one think its refreshing news and hope we have more and more of these stories and stop shying away from the real world and lets have less of the doom and gloom that keeps us so happy .
Nigel, clearly the lady in the article needs to rethink her statement that we are are "closet kinks" as clearly we are just a bunch of narrow minded bigots. And I see what both men and women do in pole or strip clubs leering at the opposite sex while usually under the influence of too much alcohol for money (it's just sad) as very different to what is being discussed here in the privacy of your own home and a "lifestyle" choice.

But yes no one is prepared to say who they really are or what they do for fear of being ridiculed or worse as have become PC in the extreme. I have friends in all sorts of different "relationships" all of whom are very well adjusted and perfectly in control of how they live their lives. To me those addicted to alcohol and drugs have far more "issues" that those being discussed here. Good on you Aemilia for speaking out in this insular double standards society we are living in.

And Nigel we are not that far apart on how we think. we both agree that those who need help should always receive it and those that don't should take more responsibility for their lives and stop "playing the system" and relying on others to bail out their life choices. In a country where more than half the adult population are new takers from the state than contributors, that is clearly both unfair and unsustainable. And of could it would free up more resources to help those like you who clearly need it.
Very well said . I really thought it was something different to read and like you I know people who live there life's the way they want to and would love to talk about it but are afraid to do so . Yet to me its tame . Unfortunatly for me everything is past now so I can only think what would or wouldn't be pleasurable . And yes you are right we do both think very much the same . And having seen some of those progremes about benefits I can and do understand how sickening it must be for the tax payer . Not been on here much lately due to health but back now and good to catch up . Again well said .
Hope you are feeling better now Nigel and very sorry that it is past and not present for you.

For me as I have got older my mind has become far more open and have experienced many things I either never thought about or never knew even existed and have met some very interesting people and made good friends along the way. It just saddens me that so many live their lives in such a small "bubble" and yet seem able to pass judgement on things they know very little or even nothing about (for example saying that Swindon is a great place to live when they have never lived anywhere else so have nothing to compare against). We need more open discussions not less and more open minds not afraid to be who they are instead of having to hide away in fear of the narrow minded. Don't see that changing anytime soon though.
You are right so many people are so quick to judge others .to me what any one does with a consenting adult if it makes them happy then good for them . There is so much misery in this world . When a report like this one comes on here why can't people embrace it and not just condem it I'm fed up of talking of the spare room subsidy / bedroom tax. Or mps trying to get the better of each other lets have more of this much more fun
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigelej[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigelej[/bold] wrote: How refreshing to have something different to debate other than bad or sad or political news . Yet sad that so many people have started with such negative response to this story . Well done house on the hill great comments and nice to see your view . You and I don't always see eye to eye but I'm with you all the way with this one . We have become so politicaly correct we dare not talk about these things . I for one think its refreshing news and hope we have more and more of these stories and stop shying away from the real world and lets have less of the doom and gloom that keeps us so happy .[/p][/quote]Nigel, clearly the lady in the article needs to rethink her statement that we are are "closet kinks" as clearly we are just a bunch of narrow minded bigots. And I see what both men and women do in pole or strip clubs leering at the opposite sex while usually under the influence of too much alcohol for money (it's just sad) as very different to what is being discussed here in the privacy of your own home and a "lifestyle" choice. But yes no one is prepared to say who they really are or what they do for fear of being ridiculed or worse as have become PC in the extreme. I have friends in all sorts of different "relationships" all of whom are very well adjusted and perfectly in control of how they live their lives. To me those addicted to alcohol and drugs have far more "issues" that those being discussed here. Good on you Aemilia for speaking out in this insular double standards society we are living in. And Nigel we are not that far apart on how we think. we both agree that those who need help should always receive it and those that don't should take more responsibility for their lives and stop "playing the system" and relying on others to bail out their life choices. In a country where more than half the adult population are new takers from the state than contributors, that is clearly both unfair and unsustainable. And of could it would free up more resources to help those like you who clearly need it.[/p][/quote]Very well said . I really thought it was something different to read and like you I know people who live there life's the way they want to and would love to talk about it but are afraid to do so . Yet to me its tame . Unfortunatly for me everything is past now so I can only think what would or wouldn't be pleasurable . And yes you are right we do both think very much the same . And having seen some of those progremes about benefits I can and do understand how sickening it must be for the tax payer . Not been on here much lately due to health but back now and good to catch up . Again well said .[/p][/quote]Hope you are feeling better now Nigel and very sorry that it is past and not present for you. For me as I have got older my mind has become far more open and have experienced many things I either never thought about or never knew even existed and have met some very interesting people and made good friends along the way. It just saddens me that so many live their lives in such a small "bubble" and yet seem able to pass judgement on things they know very little or even nothing about (for example saying that Swindon is a great place to live when they have never lived anywhere else so have nothing to compare against). We need more open discussions not less and more open minds not afraid to be who they are instead of having to hide away in fear of the narrow minded. Don't see that changing anytime soon though.[/p][/quote]You are right so many people are so quick to judge others .to me what any one does with a consenting adult if it makes them happy then good for them . There is so much misery in this world . When a report like this one comes on here why can't people embrace it and not just condem it I'm fed up of talking of the spare room subsidy / bedroom tax. Or mps trying to get the better of each other lets have more of this much more fun nigelej
  • Score: 2

2:28pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

nigelej wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
nigelej wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
nigelej wrote:
How refreshing to have something different to debate other than bad or sad or political news . Yet sad that so many people have started with such negative response to this story . Well done house on the hill great comments and nice to see your view . You and I don't always see eye to eye but I'm with you all the way with this one . We have become so politicaly correct we dare not talk about these things . I for one think its refreshing news and hope we have more and more of these stories and stop shying away from the real world and lets have less of the doom and gloom that keeps us so happy .
Nigel, clearly the lady in the article needs to rethink her statement that we are are "closet kinks" as clearly we are just a bunch of narrow minded bigots. And I see what both men and women do in pole or strip clubs leering at the opposite sex while usually under the influence of too much alcohol for money (it's just sad) as very different to what is being discussed here in the privacy of your own home and a "lifestyle" choice.

But yes no one is prepared to say who they really are or what they do for fear of being ridiculed or worse as have become PC in the extreme. I have friends in all sorts of different "relationships" all of whom are very well adjusted and perfectly in control of how they live their lives. To me those addicted to alcohol and drugs have far more "issues" that those being discussed here. Good on you Aemilia for speaking out in this insular double standards society we are living in.

And Nigel we are not that far apart on how we think. we both agree that those who need help should always receive it and those that don't should take more responsibility for their lives and stop "playing the system" and relying on others to bail out their life choices. In a country where more than half the adult population are new takers from the state than contributors, that is clearly both unfair and unsustainable. And of could it would free up more resources to help those like you who clearly need it.
Very well said . I really thought it was something different to read and like you I know people who live there life's the way they want to and would love to talk about it but are afraid to do so . Yet to me its tame . Unfortunatly for me everything is past now so I can only think what would or wouldn't be pleasurable . And yes you are right we do both think very much the same . And having seen some of those progremes about benefits I can and do understand how sickening it must be for the tax payer . Not been on here much lately due to health but back now and good to catch up . Again well said .
Hope you are feeling better now Nigel and very sorry that it is past and not present for you.

For me as I have got older my mind has become far more open and have experienced many things I either never thought about or never knew even existed and have met some very interesting people and made good friends along the way. It just saddens me that so many live their lives in such a small "bubble" and yet seem able to pass judgement on things they know very little or even nothing about (for example saying that Swindon is a great place to live when they have never lived anywhere else so have nothing to compare against). We need more open discussions not less and more open minds not afraid to be who they are instead of having to hide away in fear of the narrow minded. Don't see that changing anytime soon though.
You are right so many people are so quick to judge others .to me what any one does with a consenting adult if it makes them happy then good for them . There is so much misery in this world . When a report like this one comes on here why can't people embrace it and not just condem it I'm fed up of talking of the spare room subsidy / bedroom tax. Or mps trying to get the better of each other lets have more of this much more fun
Bravo Gents.
Glad to hear you are on the mend nigelej.
[quote][p][bold]nigelej[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigelej[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigelej[/bold] wrote: How refreshing to have something different to debate other than bad or sad or political news . Yet sad that so many people have started with such negative response to this story . Well done house on the hill great comments and nice to see your view . You and I don't always see eye to eye but I'm with you all the way with this one . We have become so politicaly correct we dare not talk about these things . I for one think its refreshing news and hope we have more and more of these stories and stop shying away from the real world and lets have less of the doom and gloom that keeps us so happy .[/p][/quote]Nigel, clearly the lady in the article needs to rethink her statement that we are are "closet kinks" as clearly we are just a bunch of narrow minded bigots. And I see what both men and women do in pole or strip clubs leering at the opposite sex while usually under the influence of too much alcohol for money (it's just sad) as very different to what is being discussed here in the privacy of your own home and a "lifestyle" choice. But yes no one is prepared to say who they really are or what they do for fear of being ridiculed or worse as have become PC in the extreme. I have friends in all sorts of different "relationships" all of whom are very well adjusted and perfectly in control of how they live their lives. To me those addicted to alcohol and drugs have far more "issues" that those being discussed here. Good on you Aemilia for speaking out in this insular double standards society we are living in. And Nigel we are not that far apart on how we think. we both agree that those who need help should always receive it and those that don't should take more responsibility for their lives and stop "playing the system" and relying on others to bail out their life choices. In a country where more than half the adult population are new takers from the state than contributors, that is clearly both unfair and unsustainable. And of could it would free up more resources to help those like you who clearly need it.[/p][/quote]Very well said . I really thought it was something different to read and like you I know people who live there life's the way they want to and would love to talk about it but are afraid to do so . Yet to me its tame . Unfortunatly for me everything is past now so I can only think what would or wouldn't be pleasurable . And yes you are right we do both think very much the same . And having seen some of those progremes about benefits I can and do understand how sickening it must be for the tax payer . Not been on here much lately due to health but back now and good to catch up . Again well said .[/p][/quote]Hope you are feeling better now Nigel and very sorry that it is past and not present for you. For me as I have got older my mind has become far more open and have experienced many things I either never thought about or never knew even existed and have met some very interesting people and made good friends along the way. It just saddens me that so many live their lives in such a small "bubble" and yet seem able to pass judgement on things they know very little or even nothing about (for example saying that Swindon is a great place to live when they have never lived anywhere else so have nothing to compare against). We need more open discussions not less and more open minds not afraid to be who they are instead of having to hide away in fear of the narrow minded. Don't see that changing anytime soon though.[/p][/quote]You are right so many people are so quick to judge others .to me what any one does with a consenting adult if it makes them happy then good for them . There is so much misery in this world . When a report like this one comes on here why can't people embrace it and not just condem it I'm fed up of talking of the spare room subsidy / bedroom tax. Or mps trying to get the better of each other lets have more of this much more fun[/p][/quote]Bravo Gents. Glad to hear you are on the mend nigelej. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 0

2:50pm Thu 24 Jul 14

nigelej says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
nigelej wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
nigelej wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
nigelej wrote:
How refreshing to have something different to debate other than bad or sad or political news . Yet sad that so many people have started with such negative response to this story . Well done house on the hill great comments and nice to see your view . You and I don't always see eye to eye but I'm with you all the way with this one . We have become so politicaly correct we dare not talk about these things . I for one think its refreshing news and hope we have more and more of these stories and stop shying away from the real world and lets have less of the doom and gloom that keeps us so happy .
Nigel, clearly the lady in the article needs to rethink her statement that we are are "closet kinks" as clearly we are just a bunch of narrow minded bigots. And I see what both men and women do in pole or strip clubs leering at the opposite sex while usually under the influence of too much alcohol for money (it's just sad) as very different to what is being discussed here in the privacy of your own home and a "lifestyle" choice.

But yes no one is prepared to say who they really are or what they do for fear of being ridiculed or worse as have become PC in the extreme. I have friends in all sorts of different "relationships" all of whom are very well adjusted and perfectly in control of how they live their lives. To me those addicted to alcohol and drugs have far more "issues" that those being discussed here. Good on you Aemilia for speaking out in this insular double standards society we are living in.

And Nigel we are not that far apart on how we think. we both agree that those who need help should always receive it and those that don't should take more responsibility for their lives and stop "playing the system" and relying on others to bail out their life choices. In a country where more than half the adult population are new takers from the state than contributors, that is clearly both unfair and unsustainable. And of could it would free up more resources to help those like you who clearly need it.
Very well said . I really thought it was something different to read and like you I know people who live there life's the way they want to and would love to talk about it but are afraid to do so . Yet to me its tame . Unfortunatly for me everything is past now so I can only think what would or wouldn't be pleasurable . And yes you are right we do both think very much the same . And having seen some of those progremes about benefits I can and do understand how sickening it must be for the tax payer . Not been on here much lately due to health but back now and good to catch up . Again well said .
Hope you are feeling better now Nigel and very sorry that it is past and not present for you.

For me as I have got older my mind has become far more open and have experienced many things I either never thought about or never knew even existed and have met some very interesting people and made good friends along the way. It just saddens me that so many live their lives in such a small "bubble" and yet seem able to pass judgement on things they know very little or even nothing about (for example saying that Swindon is a great place to live when they have never lived anywhere else so have nothing to compare against). We need more open discussions not less and more open minds not afraid to be who they are instead of having to hide away in fear of the narrow minded. Don't see that changing anytime soon though.
You are right so many people are so quick to judge others .to me what any one does with a consenting adult if it makes them happy then good for them . There is so much misery in this world . When a report like this one comes on here why can't people embrace it and not just condem it I'm fed up of talking of the spare room subsidy / bedroom tax. Or mps trying to get the better of each other lets have more of this much more fun
Bravo Gents.
Glad to hear you are on the mend nigelej.
Thank for your kind words . I'm pleased you agree with us . Far to much bad stuff going on . Lets see what tomorrows story will be can't wait .
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigelej[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigelej[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigelej[/bold] wrote: How refreshing to have something different to debate other than bad or sad or political news . Yet sad that so many people have started with such negative response to this story . Well done house on the hill great comments and nice to see your view . You and I don't always see eye to eye but I'm with you all the way with this one . We have become so politicaly correct we dare not talk about these things . I for one think its refreshing news and hope we have more and more of these stories and stop shying away from the real world and lets have less of the doom and gloom that keeps us so happy .[/p][/quote]Nigel, clearly the lady in the article needs to rethink her statement that we are are "closet kinks" as clearly we are just a bunch of narrow minded bigots. And I see what both men and women do in pole or strip clubs leering at the opposite sex while usually under the influence of too much alcohol for money (it's just sad) as very different to what is being discussed here in the privacy of your own home and a "lifestyle" choice. But yes no one is prepared to say who they really are or what they do for fear of being ridiculed or worse as have become PC in the extreme. I have friends in all sorts of different "relationships" all of whom are very well adjusted and perfectly in control of how they live their lives. To me those addicted to alcohol and drugs have far more "issues" that those being discussed here. Good on you Aemilia for speaking out in this insular double standards society we are living in. And Nigel we are not that far apart on how we think. we both agree that those who need help should always receive it and those that don't should take more responsibility for their lives and stop "playing the system" and relying on others to bail out their life choices. In a country where more than half the adult population are new takers from the state than contributors, that is clearly both unfair and unsustainable. And of could it would free up more resources to help those like you who clearly need it.[/p][/quote]Very well said . I really thought it was something different to read and like you I know people who live there life's the way they want to and would love to talk about it but are afraid to do so . Yet to me its tame . Unfortunatly for me everything is past now so I can only think what would or wouldn't be pleasurable . And yes you are right we do both think very much the same . And having seen some of those progremes about benefits I can and do understand how sickening it must be for the tax payer . Not been on here much lately due to health but back now and good to catch up . Again well said .[/p][/quote]Hope you are feeling better now Nigel and very sorry that it is past and not present for you. For me as I have got older my mind has become far more open and have experienced many things I either never thought about or never knew even existed and have met some very interesting people and made good friends along the way. It just saddens me that so many live their lives in such a small "bubble" and yet seem able to pass judgement on things they know very little or even nothing about (for example saying that Swindon is a great place to live when they have never lived anywhere else so have nothing to compare against). We need more open discussions not less and more open minds not afraid to be who they are instead of having to hide away in fear of the narrow minded. Don't see that changing anytime soon though.[/p][/quote]You are right so many people are so quick to judge others .to me what any one does with a consenting adult if it makes them happy then good for them . There is so much misery in this world . When a report like this one comes on here why can't people embrace it and not just condem it I'm fed up of talking of the spare room subsidy / bedroom tax. Or mps trying to get the better of each other lets have more of this much more fun[/p][/quote]Bravo Gents. Glad to hear you are on the mend nigelej.[/p][/quote]Thank for your kind words . I'm pleased you agree with us . Far to much bad stuff going on . Lets see what tomorrows story will be can't wait . nigelej
  • Score: 0

2:59pm Thu 24 Jul 14

EastleazeRed says...

nigelej wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
nigelej wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
nigelej wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
nigelej wrote:
How refreshing to have something different to debate other than bad or sad or political news . Yet sad that so many people have started with such negative response to this story . Well done house on the hill great comments and nice to see your view . You and I don't always see eye to eye but I'm with you all the way with this one . We have become so politicaly correct we dare not talk about these things . I for one think its refreshing news and hope we have more and more of these stories and stop shying away from the real world and lets have less of the doom and gloom that keeps us so happy .
Nigel, clearly the lady in the article needs to rethink her statement that we are are "closet kinks" as clearly we are just a bunch of narrow minded bigots. And I see what both men and women do in pole or strip clubs leering at the opposite sex while usually under the influence of too much alcohol for money (it's just sad) as very different to what is being discussed here in the privacy of your own home and a "lifestyle" choice.

But yes no one is prepared to say who they really are or what they do for fear of being ridiculed or worse as have become PC in the extreme. I have friends in all sorts of different "relationships" all of whom are very well adjusted and perfectly in control of how they live their lives. To me those addicted to alcohol and drugs have far more "issues" that those being discussed here. Good on you Aemilia for speaking out in this insular double standards society we are living in.

And Nigel we are not that far apart on how we think. we both agree that those who need help should always receive it and those that don't should take more responsibility for their lives and stop "playing the system" and relying on others to bail out their life choices. In a country where more than half the adult population are new takers from the state than contributors, that is clearly both unfair and unsustainable. And of could it would free up more resources to help those like you who clearly need it.
Very well said . I really thought it was something different to read and like you I know people who live there life's the way they want to and would love to talk about it but are afraid to do so . Yet to me its tame . Unfortunatly for me everything is past now so I can only think what would or wouldn't be pleasurable . And yes you are right we do both think very much the same . And having seen some of those progremes about benefits I can and do understand how sickening it must be for the tax payer . Not been on here much lately due to health but back now and good to catch up . Again well said .
Hope you are feeling better now Nigel and very sorry that it is past and not present for you.

For me as I have got older my mind has become far more open and have experienced many things I either never thought about or never knew even existed and have met some very interesting people and made good friends along the way. It just saddens me that so many live their lives in such a small "bubble" and yet seem able to pass judgement on things they know very little or even nothing about (for example saying that Swindon is a great place to live when they have never lived anywhere else so have nothing to compare against). We need more open discussions not less and more open minds not afraid to be who they are instead of having to hide away in fear of the narrow minded. Don't see that changing anytime soon though.
You are right so many people are so quick to judge others .to me what any one does with a consenting adult if it makes them happy then good for them . There is so much misery in this world . When a report like this one comes on here why can't people embrace it and not just condem it I'm fed up of talking of the spare room subsidy / bedroom tax. Or mps trying to get the better of each other lets have more of this much more fun
Bravo Gents.
Glad to hear you are on the mend nigelej.
Thank for your kind words . I'm pleased you agree with us . Far to much bad stuff going on . Lets see what tomorrows story will be can't wait .
The confessions of a Yorkshire miner and his Shetland pit pony knowing this newspaper !
[quote][p][bold]nigelej[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigelej[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigelej[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigelej[/bold] wrote: How refreshing to have something different to debate other than bad or sad or political news . Yet sad that so many people have started with such negative response to this story . Well done house on the hill great comments and nice to see your view . You and I don't always see eye to eye but I'm with you all the way with this one . We have become so politicaly correct we dare not talk about these things . I for one think its refreshing news and hope we have more and more of these stories and stop shying away from the real world and lets have less of the doom and gloom that keeps us so happy .[/p][/quote]Nigel, clearly the lady in the article needs to rethink her statement that we are are "closet kinks" as clearly we are just a bunch of narrow minded bigots. And I see what both men and women do in pole or strip clubs leering at the opposite sex while usually under the influence of too much alcohol for money (it's just sad) as very different to what is being discussed here in the privacy of your own home and a "lifestyle" choice. But yes no one is prepared to say who they really are or what they do for fear of being ridiculed or worse as have become PC in the extreme. I have friends in all sorts of different "relationships" all of whom are very well adjusted and perfectly in control of how they live their lives. To me those addicted to alcohol and drugs have far more "issues" that those being discussed here. Good on you Aemilia for speaking out in this insular double standards society we are living in. And Nigel we are not that far apart on how we think. we both agree that those who need help should always receive it and those that don't should take more responsibility for their lives and stop "playing the system" and relying on others to bail out their life choices. In a country where more than half the adult population are new takers from the state than contributors, that is clearly both unfair and unsustainable. And of could it would free up more resources to help those like you who clearly need it.[/p][/quote]Very well said . I really thought it was something different to read and like you I know people who live there life's the way they want to and would love to talk about it but are afraid to do so . Yet to me its tame . Unfortunatly for me everything is past now so I can only think what would or wouldn't be pleasurable . And yes you are right we do both think very much the same . And having seen some of those progremes about benefits I can and do understand how sickening it must be for the tax payer . Not been on here much lately due to health but back now and good to catch up . Again well said .[/p][/quote]Hope you are feeling better now Nigel and very sorry that it is past and not present for you. For me as I have got older my mind has become far more open and have experienced many things I either never thought about or never knew even existed and have met some very interesting people and made good friends along the way. It just saddens me that so many live their lives in such a small "bubble" and yet seem able to pass judgement on things they know very little or even nothing about (for example saying that Swindon is a great place to live when they have never lived anywhere else so have nothing to compare against). We need more open discussions not less and more open minds not afraid to be who they are instead of having to hide away in fear of the narrow minded. Don't see that changing anytime soon though.[/p][/quote]You are right so many people are so quick to judge others .to me what any one does with a consenting adult if it makes them happy then good for them . There is so much misery in this world . When a report like this one comes on here why can't people embrace it and not just condem it I'm fed up of talking of the spare room subsidy / bedroom tax. Or mps trying to get the better of each other lets have more of this much more fun[/p][/quote]Bravo Gents. Glad to hear you are on the mend nigelej.[/p][/quote]Thank for your kind words . I'm pleased you agree with us . Far to much bad stuff going on . Lets see what tomorrows story will be can't wait .[/p][/quote]The confessions of a Yorkshire miner and his Shetland pit pony knowing this newspaper ! EastleazeRed
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3:12pm Thu 24 Jul 14

house on the hill says...

Probably back to political sniping or green waste not being collected, potholes, parking, the usual double standards comments.

Good to have something different to discuss and agree, there is so much sadness in the world, if you can find enjoyment/excitement in your life then go for it I say and s0d what others think!
Probably back to political sniping or green waste not being collected, potholes, parking, the usual double standards comments. Good to have something different to discuss and agree, there is so much sadness in the world, if you can find enjoyment/excitement in your life then go for it I say and s0d what others think! house on the hill
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8:14pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Concerned of Wiltshire says...

Dear Adver,

If any graffiti 'artists', muggers, burglars etc can get off on a bit of S&M I'm thinking of offering them a discunt service. It will be them getting the slap you understand. Can you pop over tomorrow to interview me? Cheers.
Dear Adver, If any graffiti 'artists', muggers, burglars etc can get off on a bit of S&M I'm thinking of offering them a discunt service. It will be them getting the slap you understand. Can you pop over tomorrow to interview me? Cheers. Concerned of Wiltshire
  • Score: 2

8:48pm Thu 24 Jul 14

cnut swindon says...

Tit
Tit cnut swindon
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8:49pm Thu 24 Jul 14

cnut swindon says...

Sorry I meant treat not tit
Sorry I meant treat not tit cnut swindon
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8:51pm Thu 24 Jul 14

cnut swindon says...

I got tied up by one of these dominatrix professionals after she was following my twitter feed. Cost me a fair buck, and she left me dehydrated with me co*k out for 6 hours. I wanted to try it once for a life experience , but I ended up with a sore shoulder, and a twisted ball sack. It's not really what I would advise doing , unless with a trained professional , some of these japs train at it from age 2 , it takes decades to perfect
I got tied up by one of these dominatrix professionals after she was following my twitter feed. Cost me a fair buck, and she left me dehydrated with me co*k out for 6 hours. I wanted to try it once for a life experience , but I ended up with a sore shoulder, and a twisted ball sack. It's not really what I would advise doing , unless with a trained professional , some of these japs train at it from age 2 , it takes decades to perfect cnut swindon
  • Score: -4

10:44pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

And the morons return brilliant
And the morons return brilliant Badgersgetabadname
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11:49am Fri 25 Jul 14

AMSOSA says...

EastleazeRed wrote:
Jesus wept ! Is this paper taking the pi$$ ? Yesterday they were advertising some slapper twisting round a pole now a dominatrix , the editor seems obsessed with the sex industry . Since the Advertiser moved to Oxford ? Well enough said !
This is news? Fully agree with you
[quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: Jesus wept ! Is this paper taking the pi$$ ? Yesterday they were advertising some slapper twisting round a pole now a dominatrix , the editor seems obsessed with the sex industry . Since the Advertiser moved to Oxford ? Well enough said ![/p][/quote]This is news? Fully agree with you AMSOSA
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12:18pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Just the two articles in the series so?
Just the two articles in the series so? Badgersgetabadname
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4:10pm Fri 25 Jul 14

cnut swindon says...

Hi , I don't like being called a moron thanks.

This was a genuine experience I had. I paid £200 , for a full day session. She talked me through the safety aspects first, then I was swiftly contorted and bandaged in ropes and binded to the ceiling with me coc* hanging out. I had ticked the ''extreme experience box'' and insurance disclaimer signed off, but I was shouting for c up of water and got no response. I tried to un hook myself but me sack got wedged 720 dgerees and days later was bruised and swelled up like an apple size.

I'm just saying like, you need to ensure your experience is a professional. I thought it was gonna be a quick BJ and rope action
Hi , I don't like being called a moron thanks. This was a genuine experience I had. I paid £200 , for a full day session. She talked me through the safety aspects first, then I was swiftly contorted and bandaged in ropes and binded to the ceiling with me coc* hanging out. I had ticked the ''extreme experience box'' and insurance disclaimer signed off, but I was shouting for c up of water and got no response. I tried to un hook myself but me sack got wedged 720 dgerees and days later was bruised and swelled up like an apple size. I'm just saying like, you need to ensure your experience is a professional. I thought it was gonna be a quick BJ and rope action cnut swindon
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4:50pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

cnut swindon wrote:
Hi , I don't like being called a moron thanks.

This was a genuine experience I had. I paid £200 , for a full day session. She talked me through the safety aspects first, then I was swiftly contorted and bandaged in ropes and binded to the ceiling with me coc* hanging out. I had ticked the ''extreme experience box'' and insurance disclaimer signed off, but I was shouting for c up of water and got no response. I tried to un hook myself but me sack got wedged 720 dgerees and days later was bruised and swelled up like an apple size.

I'm just saying like, you need to ensure your experience is a professional. I thought it was gonna be a quick BJ and rope action
Well done you.
Like it or not I could only base my comment on your previous comments.
Maybe write it out then read over your comment before pressing post
[quote][p][bold]cnut swindon[/bold] wrote: Hi , I don't like being called a moron thanks. This was a genuine experience I had. I paid £200 , for a full day session. She talked me through the safety aspects first, then I was swiftly contorted and bandaged in ropes and binded to the ceiling with me coc* hanging out. I had ticked the ''extreme experience box'' and insurance disclaimer signed off, but I was shouting for c up of water and got no response. I tried to un hook myself but me sack got wedged 720 dgerees and days later was bruised and swelled up like an apple size. I'm just saying like, you need to ensure your experience is a professional. I thought it was gonna be a quick BJ and rope action[/p][/quote]Well done you. Like it or not I could only base my comment on your previous comments. Maybe write it out then read over your comment before pressing post Badgersgetabadname
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12:38am Sat 26 Jul 14

Ollie Dognacky says...

Still...............
........
As long as he enjoyed it, that's the main thing 😆
Still............... ........ As long as he enjoyed it, that's the main thing 😆 Ollie Dognacky
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