Progress at last on Averies fire

This Is Wiltshire: The scene of Averies fire The scene of Averies fire

REMOVAL of waste from the Averies Recycling centre in Marshgate should begin early next week as the company continues to use their second yard for operations.

On Thursday the Environment Agency were called on by Environment Minister Liz Truss to force the company to transfer unburned waste to a permitted site to allow the fire service to extinguish the three-week-old blaze.

Plans are now being put into motion quickly and the company should begin transferring waste by the beginning of next week.

Meanwhile the company is still operating as usual and accepting trucks of waste into their nearby yard.

Justin Tomlinson, MP for North Swindon, said he was delighted by the news after he put presure on the minister to get things moving.

“South Swindon MP Robert Buckland and I were adamant that as the Environment Agency had granted the licence and were responsible for checking the terms of that licence that they should have a responsibility for any associated costs,” he said.

“I am delighted that after Robert and I spoke to the minister, pressure was applied and common sense prevailed.

“Local residents have suffered enough without also having to pay or deal with issues relating to any temporary site.

“This is the right and proper outcome. We were keeping the minister updated and when it came towards what would have been the emergency cabinet meeting we were concerned Swindon Borough Council would have inadvertently taken responsibility.

“We made it clear that we needed to move quickly.

“Now that the Environment Agency are taking full responsibility we hope they will hold Averies fully to account.

“The costs should be borne ultimately by Averies and I expect the Environment Agency to pursue that.”

James Mahoney, area manager at Wiltshire Fire & Rescue Service, said: “The plan is moving forward at speed and preparations are being put in place to facilitate waste being moved from the site.

“This is a complicated and difficult operation and we remain grateful for people’s understanding and co-operation, particularly those directly affected the fire.

“Due to the complexities involved, it’s impossible to give precise timescales, although we hope the first truckloads of waste will be removed early next week.

“The more aggressive firefighting will follow soon after and we’ll be engaging with residents and businesses in the close vicinity.

“Once again I would like to thank everyone for their ongoing support at this difficult time and reassure them that we endeavour to keep any disruption to an absolute minimum and bring this fire to the swiftest conclusion.”

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6:58am Sat 16 Aug 14

messyits says...

As they have another site nearby--why did they not move the 'unburned ' waste there?
As they have another site nearby--why did they not move the 'unburned ' waste there? messyits
  • Score: 43

8:38am Sat 16 Aug 14

Wigmeister says...

messyits wrote:
As they have another site nearby--why did they not move the 'unburned ' waste there?
Quite right. Averies appear to have simply abandoned the burning site to it's fate and left the authorities to deal with it. The fact that they are continuing to trade nearby shows a callous disregard to everyone and everything. It's a disgrace!
[quote][p][bold]messyits[/bold] wrote: As they have another site nearby--why did they not move the 'unburned ' waste there?[/p][/quote]Quite right. Averies appear to have simply abandoned the burning site to it's fate and left the authorities to deal with it. The fact that they are continuing to trade nearby shows a callous disregard to everyone and everything. It's a disgrace! Wigmeister
  • Score: 65

8:48am Sat 16 Aug 14

somwal25 says...

thats why we need a public enquiry and thats why people should sign the petition

http://ww5.swindon.g
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thats why we need a public enquiry and thats why people should sign the petition http://ww5.swindon.g ov.uk/moderngov/mgEP etitionListDisplay somwal25
  • Score: 59

10:11am Sat 16 Aug 14

Nostim says...

Who in their wisdom allowed Averies to dump this kind of waste and this amount in a residential area. These are the people that should be held to account,
I presume that the cost of removal of the waste will again be taken from the council tax payers as did the missing WI-FI money.

Could this have anything to do with SBC again
Who in their wisdom allowed Averies to dump this kind of waste and this amount in a residential area. These are the people that should be held to account, I presume that the cost of removal of the waste will again be taken from the council tax payers as did the missing WI-FI money. Could this have anything to do with SBC again Nostim
  • Score: 33

10:16am Sat 16 Aug 14

Alan Bast*rd says...

Nostim wrote:
Who in their wisdom allowed Averies to dump this kind of waste and this amount in a residential area. These are the people that should be held to account,
I presume that the cost of removal of the waste will again be taken from the council tax payers as did the missing WI-FI money.

Could this have anything to do with SBC again
Quite right. How Tomlinson can claim any sort of credit for this utter mess I do not know? It looks a disaster with a catalogue of errors to me. Amateurish! Incompetence!
[quote][p][bold]Nostim[/bold] wrote: Who in their wisdom allowed Averies to dump this kind of waste and this amount in a residential area. These are the people that should be held to account, I presume that the cost of removal of the waste will again be taken from the council tax payers as did the missing WI-FI money. Could this have anything to do with SBC again[/p][/quote]Quite right. How Tomlinson can claim any sort of credit for this utter mess I do not know? It looks a disaster with a catalogue of errors to me. Amateurish! Incompetence! Alan Bast*rd
  • Score: 32

11:02am Sat 16 Aug 14

messyits says...

Wigmeister wrote:
messyits wrote:
As they have another site nearby--why did they not move the 'unburned ' waste there?
Quite right. Averies appear to have simply abandoned the burning site to it's fate and left the authorities to deal with it. The fact that they are continuing to trade nearby shows a callous disregard to everyone and everything. It's a disgrace!
AGREE
[quote][p][bold]Wigmeister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]messyits[/bold] wrote: As they have another site nearby--why did they not move the 'unburned ' waste there?[/p][/quote]Quite right. Averies appear to have simply abandoned the burning site to it's fate and left the authorities to deal with it. The fact that they are continuing to trade nearby shows a callous disregard to everyone and everything. It's a disgrace![/p][/quote]AGREE messyits
  • Score: 28

11:09am Sat 16 Aug 14

MrAngry says...

messyits wrote:
As they have another site nearby--why did they not move the 'unburned ' waste there?
Good question
[quote][p][bold]messyits[/bold] wrote: As they have another site nearby--why did they not move the 'unburned ' waste there?[/p][/quote]Good question MrAngry
  • Score: 30

11:09am Sat 16 Aug 14

messyits says...

Alan Bast*rd wrote:
Nostim wrote:
Who in their wisdom allowed Averies to dump this kind of waste and this amount in a residential area. These are the people that should be held to account,
I presume that the cost of removal of the waste will again be taken from the council tax payers as did the missing WI-FI money.

Could this have anything to do with SBC again
Quite right. How Tomlinson can claim any sort of credit for this utter mess I do not know? It looks a disaster with a catalogue of errors to me. Amateurish! Incompetence!
BOTH our MPs were right to ask the minister for environment to force the issue.--result the EA are forced to ensure all costs are recovered.
[quote][p][bold]Alan Bast*rd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nostim[/bold] wrote: Who in their wisdom allowed Averies to dump this kind of waste and this amount in a residential area. These are the people that should be held to account, I presume that the cost of removal of the waste will again be taken from the council tax payers as did the missing WI-FI money. Could this have anything to do with SBC again[/p][/quote]Quite right. How Tomlinson can claim any sort of credit for this utter mess I do not know? It looks a disaster with a catalogue of errors to me. Amateurish! Incompetence![/p][/quote]BOTH our MPs were right to ask the minister for environment to force the issue.--result the EA are forced to ensure all costs are recovered. messyits
  • Score: -27

11:13am Sat 16 Aug 14

MrAngry says...

Wigmeister wrote:
messyits wrote:
As they have another site nearby--why did they not move the 'unburned ' waste there?
Quite right. Averies appear to have simply abandoned the burning site to it's fate and left the authorities to deal with it. The fact that they are continuing to trade nearby shows a callous disregard to everyone and everything. It's a disgrace!
The fact that Averies are still trading is a good thing. If they stop trading there is a greater risk of them going bust and leaving the taxpayer to foot the bill.
[quote][p][bold]Wigmeister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]messyits[/bold] wrote: As they have another site nearby--why did they not move the 'unburned ' waste there?[/p][/quote]Quite right. Averies appear to have simply abandoned the burning site to it's fate and left the authorities to deal with it. The fact that they are continuing to trade nearby shows a callous disregard to everyone and everything. It's a disgrace![/p][/quote]The fact that Averies are still trading is a good thing. If they stop trading there is a greater risk of them going bust and leaving the taxpayer to foot the bill. MrAngry
  • Score: -2

1:13pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Wigmeister says...

MrAngry wrote:
Wigmeister wrote:
messyits wrote: As they have another site nearby--why did they not move the 'unburned ' waste there?
Quite right. Averies appear to have simply abandoned the burning site to it's fate and left the authorities to deal with it. The fact that they are continuing to trade nearby shows a callous disregard to everyone and everything. It's a disgrace!
The fact that Averies are still trading is a good thing. If they stop trading there is a greater risk of them going bust and leaving the taxpayer to foot the bill.
The taxpayers are footing the bill already! Do we really want a company that has already had fires at two existing sites operating a third one? No thanks, they'll end up costing us a fortune.

Worth pointing out that there are lots of companies in the recycling business and this company is bringing all of them and their industry into disrepute. Shut them down pleeaase!
[quote][p][bold]MrAngry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wigmeister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]messyits[/bold] wrote: As they have another site nearby--why did they not move the 'unburned ' waste there?[/p][/quote]Quite right. Averies appear to have simply abandoned the burning site to it's fate and left the authorities to deal with it. The fact that they are continuing to trade nearby shows a callous disregard to everyone and everything. It's a disgrace![/p][/quote]The fact that Averies are still trading is a good thing. If they stop trading there is a greater risk of them going bust and leaving the taxpayer to foot the bill.[/p][/quote]The taxpayers are footing the bill already! Do we really want a company that has already had fires at two existing sites operating a third one? No thanks, they'll end up costing us a fortune. Worth pointing out that there are lots of companies in the recycling business and this company is bringing all of them and their industry into disrepute. Shut them down pleeaase! Wigmeister
  • Score: 29

1:14pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Robh says...

Here is a record of my emails and answers received:

23/07 to SBC
Please advise why so much recycling is being allowed to be stored out of land fill and not actually being recycled.

12/08 to EA
Please find below a question raised with our local council. I am still waiting for a response but do you have any idea why so much recycling is being stored above ground.

13/08 EA
Dear Mr Harris
Thank you for your enquiry regarding storage of waste that has also been raised with your local and council.
To support your enquiry please can you forward more information to us regarding the site in question?
Name of the site, if it is commercial or domestic · Address and Postcode Materials being stored We can then check the public registers for any permits or exemptions in place and investigate if the Organisation is complying with legislation.
Thank you in anticipation

13/08 to EA
I am not referring to a particular site. In general we have a lot of recycling facilities around the country that seem to be stock piling large quantities of recycling material without actually recycling it.
There have been several occasions of these sites burning out of control, the latest being in Swindon, Wiltshire and it seems just a matter of time before lives are lost. I like many others believe some of these fires are not accidental.
The question is do you have limitations on the quantity of waste being stored for recycling as it seems that many of these companies are taking in the waste but doing little or nothing with it.

13/08 EA
Thank you for returning to us regarding your enquiry into waste and recycling.
Businesses that are operating as a waste management site or recycling
centre must have appropriate exemptions or permits with us. These are then held on the public register and dependant on the type of permit held will have regular or annual inspections by us. In addition, organisations accepting waste for disposal or recycling are required to keep stringent records and make operator returns to us via on line or paper returns. An example of a waste exemption is an S2 exemption which is a free waste exemption that has strict rules that need to be adhered to. Please find the navigation link to our website that offers guidance on how to operate an S2 exemption: https://www.gov.uk/w
aste-exemption-s2-st
oring-waste-in-a-sec
ure-place
Other permits that are allowed are either standard or bespoke permits
that are subject to pre-site inspections and either annual or more regular inspections dependant on the organisations business operations. I have attached a duty of care guidance that is a synopsis of the waste legislation that waste operators have to adhere to. If you believe that a waste operation site is not adhering to any aspects of waste permits, there are strong odours, burning waste on site or leaks of any liquids please do not hesitate to contact our incident communication service. This is a free phone number and you can remain anonymous and at the end of the telephone call you will receive a reference number. Telephone number: 0800 80 70 60.


14/08 to EA
Sorry but I cannot find anything in these regulations about the amount of waste and how long that it can be stored. There also doesn't seem to be any requirement to recycle the waste within a specific period hence the number of sites that have very large stocks of recycling material. A flaw in the regulations?

14/08 EA
Thank you for your enquiry regarding the storage of waste for recycling.

The Environmental Permitting regulations specify the amount, type and time period waste can be stored in order to meet the requirements of a specific waste exemption or environmental permit.

For example, the table on the S2 exemption section of GOV.UK lists the types of waste permitted under an S2 exemption, the list of wastes code, quantity limit and maximum storage period in months for each specific waste type.
The purpose of an S2 exemption is to store waste before the waste is transported to another site to be recovered. The operator would need to apply for an environmental permit if they could not adhere to the conditions of an exemption.
You can view the conditions for Environmental Standard Permits relating to recovery and recycling on GOV.UK. If a site has a Bespoke Environmental Permit the conditions will be specific to that site.

https://www.gov.uk/g
overnment/collection
s/standard-rules-env
ironmental-permittin
g#materials-recovery
-and-recycling

If you suspect that a site operator is in breach of the conditions of their environmental permit or exemption you can report this to our incident communication service and this will be investigated by an Environment officer.

Incident Hotline: 0800 80 70 60

If you have any further queries, please do let us know and we will be happy to assist.

14/08 to EA
S2, S2, S2! All you ever talk about is S2 but you do not answer my original question. Why is so much recycling but stored above ground without being recycled?

If the recycling centres are not working as per regulations then who is responsible for enforcing them.


No answers as yet.
Here is a record of my emails and answers received: 23/07 to SBC Please advise why so much recycling is being allowed to be stored out of land fill and not actually being recycled. 12/08 to EA Please find below a question raised with our local council. I am still waiting for a response but do you have any idea why so much recycling is being stored above ground. 13/08 EA Dear Mr Harris Thank you for your enquiry regarding storage of waste that has also been raised with your local and council. To support your enquiry please can you forward more information to us regarding the site in question? Name of the site, if it is commercial or domestic · Address and Postcode Materials being stored We can then check the public registers for any permits or exemptions in place and investigate if the Organisation is complying with legislation. Thank you in anticipation 13/08 to EA I am not referring to a particular site. In general we have a lot of recycling facilities around the country that seem to be stock piling large quantities of recycling material without actually recycling it. There have been several occasions of these sites burning out of control, the latest being in Swindon, Wiltshire and it seems just a matter of time before lives are lost. I like many others believe some of these fires are not accidental. The question is do you have limitations on the quantity of waste being stored for recycling as it seems that many of these companies are taking in the waste but doing little or nothing with it. 13/08 EA Thank you for returning to us regarding your enquiry into waste and recycling. Businesses that are operating as a waste management site or recycling centre must have appropriate exemptions or permits with us. These are then held on the public register and dependant on the type of permit held will have regular or annual inspections by us. In addition, organisations accepting waste for disposal or recycling are required to keep stringent records and make operator returns to us via on line or paper returns. An example of a waste exemption is an S2 exemption which is a free waste exemption that has strict rules that need to be adhered to. Please find the navigation link to our website that offers guidance on how to operate an S2 exemption: https://www.gov.uk/w aste-exemption-s2-st oring-waste-in-a-sec ure-place Other permits that are allowed are either standard or bespoke permits that are subject to pre-site inspections and either annual or more regular inspections dependant on the organisations business operations. I have attached a duty of care guidance that is a synopsis of the waste legislation that waste operators have to adhere to. If you believe that a waste operation site is not adhering to any aspects of waste permits, there are strong odours, burning waste on site or leaks of any liquids please do not hesitate to contact our incident communication service. This is a free phone number and you can remain anonymous and at the end of the telephone call you will receive a reference number. Telephone number: 0800 80 70 60. 14/08 to EA Sorry but I cannot find anything in these regulations about the amount of waste and how long that it can be stored. There also doesn't seem to be any requirement to recycle the waste within a specific period hence the number of sites that have very large stocks of recycling material. A flaw in the regulations? 14/08 EA Thank you for your enquiry regarding the storage of waste for recycling. The Environmental Permitting regulations specify the amount, type and time period waste can be stored in order to meet the requirements of a specific waste exemption or environmental permit. For example, the table on the S2 exemption section of GOV.UK lists the types of waste permitted under an S2 exemption, the list of wastes code, quantity limit and maximum storage period in months for each specific waste type. The purpose of an S2 exemption is to store waste before the waste is transported to another site to be recovered. The operator would need to apply for an environmental permit if they could not adhere to the conditions of an exemption. You can view the conditions for Environmental Standard Permits relating to recovery and recycling on GOV.UK. If a site has a Bespoke Environmental Permit the conditions will be specific to that site. https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/collection s/standard-rules-env ironmental-permittin g#materials-recovery -and-recycling If you suspect that a site operator is in breach of the conditions of their environmental permit or exemption you can report this to our incident communication service and this will be investigated by an Environment officer. Incident Hotline: 0800 80 70 60 If you have any further queries, please do let us know and we will be happy to assist. 14/08 to EA S2, S2, S2! All you ever talk about is S2 but you do not answer my original question. Why is so much recycling but stored above ground without being recycled? If the recycling centres are not working as per regulations then who is responsible for enforcing them. No answers as yet. Robh
  • Score: 3

1:25pm Sat 16 Aug 14

somwal25 says...

Robh wrote:
Here is a record of my emails and answers received:

23/07 to SBC
Please advise why so much recycling is being allowed to be stored out of land fill and not actually being recycled.

12/08 to EA
Please find below a question raised with our local council. I am still waiting for a response but do you have any idea why so much recycling is being stored above ground.

13/08 EA
Dear Mr Harris
Thank you for your enquiry regarding storage of waste that has also been raised with your local and council.
To support your enquiry please can you forward more information to us regarding the site in question?
Name of the site, if it is commercial or domestic · Address and Postcode Materials being stored We can then check the public registers for any permits or exemptions in place and investigate if the Organisation is complying with legislation.
Thank you in anticipation

13/08 to EA
I am not referring to a particular site. In general we have a lot of recycling facilities around the country that seem to be stock piling large quantities of recycling material without actually recycling it.
There have been several occasions of these sites burning out of control, the latest being in Swindon, Wiltshire and it seems just a matter of time before lives are lost. I like many others believe some of these fires are not accidental.
The question is do you have limitations on the quantity of waste being stored for recycling as it seems that many of these companies are taking in the waste but doing little or nothing with it.

13/08 EA
Thank you for returning to us regarding your enquiry into waste and recycling.
Businesses that are operating as a waste management site or recycling
centre must have appropriate exemptions or permits with us. These are then held on the public register and dependant on the type of permit held will have regular or annual inspections by us. In addition, organisations accepting waste for disposal or recycling are required to keep stringent records and make operator returns to us via on line or paper returns. An example of a waste exemption is an S2 exemption which is a free waste exemption that has strict rules that need to be adhered to. Please find the navigation link to our website that offers guidance on how to operate an S2 exemption: https://www.gov.uk/w

aste-exemption-s2-st

oring-waste-in-a-sec

ure-place
Other permits that are allowed are either standard or bespoke permits
that are subject to pre-site inspections and either annual or more regular inspections dependant on the organisations business operations. I have attached a duty of care guidance that is a synopsis of the waste legislation that waste operators have to adhere to. If you believe that a waste operation site is not adhering to any aspects of waste permits, there are strong odours, burning waste on site or leaks of any liquids please do not hesitate to contact our incident communication service. This is a free phone number and you can remain anonymous and at the end of the telephone call you will receive a reference number. Telephone number: 0800 80 70 60.


14/08 to EA
Sorry but I cannot find anything in these regulations about the amount of waste and how long that it can be stored. There also doesn't seem to be any requirement to recycle the waste within a specific period hence the number of sites that have very large stocks of recycling material. A flaw in the regulations?

14/08 EA
Thank you for your enquiry regarding the storage of waste for recycling.

The Environmental Permitting regulations specify the amount, type and time period waste can be stored in order to meet the requirements of a specific waste exemption or environmental permit.

For example, the table on the S2 exemption section of GOV.UK lists the types of waste permitted under an S2 exemption, the list of wastes code, quantity limit and maximum storage period in months for each specific waste type.
The purpose of an S2 exemption is to store waste before the waste is transported to another site to be recovered. The operator would need to apply for an environmental permit if they could not adhere to the conditions of an exemption.
You can view the conditions for Environmental Standard Permits relating to recovery and recycling on GOV.UK. If a site has a Bespoke Environmental Permit the conditions will be specific to that site.

https://www.gov.uk/g

overnment/collection

s/standard-rules-env

ironmental-permittin

g#materials-recovery

-and-recycling

If you suspect that a site operator is in breach of the conditions of their environmental permit or exemption you can report this to our incident communication service and this will be investigated by an Environment officer.

Incident Hotline: 0800 80 70 60

If you have any further queries, please do let us know and we will be happy to assist.

14/08 to EA
S2, S2, S2! All you ever talk about is S2 but you do not answer my original question. Why is so much recycling but stored above ground without being recycled?

If the recycling centres are not working as per regulations then who is responsible for enforcing them.


No answers as yet.
load of hot air why cant the EA just give a straight answer but then it is a government department that's why people should support the petition.
[quote][p][bold]Robh[/bold] wrote: Here is a record of my emails and answers received: 23/07 to SBC Please advise why so much recycling is being allowed to be stored out of land fill and not actually being recycled. 12/08 to EA Please find below a question raised with our local council. I am still waiting for a response but do you have any idea why so much recycling is being stored above ground. 13/08 EA Dear Mr Harris Thank you for your enquiry regarding storage of waste that has also been raised with your local and council. To support your enquiry please can you forward more information to us regarding the site in question? Name of the site, if it is commercial or domestic · Address and Postcode Materials being stored We can then check the public registers for any permits or exemptions in place and investigate if the Organisation is complying with legislation. Thank you in anticipation 13/08 to EA I am not referring to a particular site. In general we have a lot of recycling facilities around the country that seem to be stock piling large quantities of recycling material without actually recycling it. There have been several occasions of these sites burning out of control, the latest being in Swindon, Wiltshire and it seems just a matter of time before lives are lost. I like many others believe some of these fires are not accidental. The question is do you have limitations on the quantity of waste being stored for recycling as it seems that many of these companies are taking in the waste but doing little or nothing with it. 13/08 EA Thank you for returning to us regarding your enquiry into waste and recycling. Businesses that are operating as a waste management site or recycling centre must have appropriate exemptions or permits with us. These are then held on the public register and dependant on the type of permit held will have regular or annual inspections by us. In addition, organisations accepting waste for disposal or recycling are required to keep stringent records and make operator returns to us via on line or paper returns. An example of a waste exemption is an S2 exemption which is a free waste exemption that has strict rules that need to be adhered to. Please find the navigation link to our website that offers guidance on how to operate an S2 exemption: https://www.gov.uk/w aste-exemption-s2-st oring-waste-in-a-sec ure-place Other permits that are allowed are either standard or bespoke permits that are subject to pre-site inspections and either annual or more regular inspections dependant on the organisations business operations. I have attached a duty of care guidance that is a synopsis of the waste legislation that waste operators have to adhere to. If you believe that a waste operation site is not adhering to any aspects of waste permits, there are strong odours, burning waste on site or leaks of any liquids please do not hesitate to contact our incident communication service. This is a free phone number and you can remain anonymous and at the end of the telephone call you will receive a reference number. Telephone number: 0800 80 70 60. 14/08 to EA Sorry but I cannot find anything in these regulations about the amount of waste and how long that it can be stored. There also doesn't seem to be any requirement to recycle the waste within a specific period hence the number of sites that have very large stocks of recycling material. A flaw in the regulations? 14/08 EA Thank you for your enquiry regarding the storage of waste for recycling. The Environmental Permitting regulations specify the amount, type and time period waste can be stored in order to meet the requirements of a specific waste exemption or environmental permit. For example, the table on the S2 exemption section of GOV.UK lists the types of waste permitted under an S2 exemption, the list of wastes code, quantity limit and maximum storage period in months for each specific waste type. The purpose of an S2 exemption is to store waste before the waste is transported to another site to be recovered. The operator would need to apply for an environmental permit if they could not adhere to the conditions of an exemption. You can view the conditions for Environmental Standard Permits relating to recovery and recycling on GOV.UK. If a site has a Bespoke Environmental Permit the conditions will be specific to that site. https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/collection s/standard-rules-env ironmental-permittin g#materials-recovery -and-recycling If you suspect that a site operator is in breach of the conditions of their environmental permit or exemption you can report this to our incident communication service and this will be investigated by an Environment officer. Incident Hotline: 0800 80 70 60 If you have any further queries, please do let us know and we will be happy to assist. 14/08 to EA S2, S2, S2! All you ever talk about is S2 but you do not answer my original question. Why is so much recycling but stored above ground without being recycled? If the recycling centres are not working as per regulations then who is responsible for enforcing them. No answers as yet.[/p][/quote]load of hot air why cant the EA just give a straight answer but then it is a government department that's why people should support the petition. somwal25
  • Score: 10

1:51pm Sat 16 Aug 14

messyits says...

Why get a petition--folk rarely sign them other than daffy duck etc.

As the Environment Minister has intervened or don't you read the papers?
Why get a petition--folk rarely sign them other than daffy duck etc. As the Environment Minister has intervened or don't you read the papers? messyits
  • Score: -27

6:16pm Sat 16 Aug 14

house on the hill says...

Wigmeister wrote:
MrAngry wrote:
Wigmeister wrote:
messyits wrote: As they have another site nearby--why did they not move the 'unburned ' waste there?
Quite right. Averies appear to have simply abandoned the burning site to it's fate and left the authorities to deal with it. The fact that they are continuing to trade nearby shows a callous disregard to everyone and everything. It's a disgrace!
The fact that Averies are still trading is a good thing. If they stop trading there is a greater risk of them going bust and leaving the taxpayer to foot the bill.
The taxpayers are footing the bill already! Do we really want a company that has already had fires at two existing sites operating a third one? No thanks, they'll end up costing us a fortune.

Worth pointing out that there are lots of companies in the recycling business and this company is bringing all of them and their industry into disrepute. Shut them down pleeaase!
And you genuinely believe that in the same situation they wouldn't do something similar? In this ultra competitive business world we have created (because we all want cheaper, better, faster, etc and don't care how we get it) no one can afford to care about anything other than their bottom line profit or just their very survival. That's why we need those who should be policing this sort of thing to do their jobs properly and if they don't then pay the consequences themselves. Someone's head should roll for this.
[quote][p][bold]Wigmeister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrAngry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wigmeister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]messyits[/bold] wrote: As they have another site nearby--why did they not move the 'unburned ' waste there?[/p][/quote]Quite right. Averies appear to have simply abandoned the burning site to it's fate and left the authorities to deal with it. The fact that they are continuing to trade nearby shows a callous disregard to everyone and everything. It's a disgrace![/p][/quote]The fact that Averies are still trading is a good thing. If they stop trading there is a greater risk of them going bust and leaving the taxpayer to foot the bill.[/p][/quote]The taxpayers are footing the bill already! Do we really want a company that has already had fires at two existing sites operating a third one? No thanks, they'll end up costing us a fortune. Worth pointing out that there are lots of companies in the recycling business and this company is bringing all of them and their industry into disrepute. Shut them down pleeaase![/p][/quote]And you genuinely believe that in the same situation they wouldn't do something similar? In this ultra competitive business world we have created (because we all want cheaper, better, faster, etc and don't care how we get it) no one can afford to care about anything other than their bottom line profit or just their very survival. That's why we need those who should be policing this sort of thing to do their jobs properly and if they don't then pay the consequences themselves. Someone's head should roll for this. house on the hill
  • Score: 16

7:11pm Sat 16 Aug 14

messyits says...

As far as I can see no one has paid out anything as yet s they are all public bodies and Averies will be taking the rubbish away and delivering and hazardous waste to the specialists.
As far as I can see no one has paid out anything as yet s they are all public bodies and Averies will be taking the rubbish away and delivering and hazardous waste to the specialists. messyits
  • Score: -17

8:16am Sun 17 Aug 14

Blackmalkin says...

They need shutting down when this is all over. They've flouted the rules for a long time (see earlier fines). This fire has caused untold misery in the surrounding area or a month and they have ignored EA orders to remove some of the rubbish so the firemen can get in. This all screams "rogue" to me.

If they can't be shut down by the enforcement agencies, companies need to boycott Averies so they go out of business that way.
They need shutting down when this is all over. They've flouted the rules for a long time (see earlier fines). This fire has caused untold misery in the surrounding area or a month and they have ignored EA orders to remove some of the rubbish so the firemen can get in. This all screams "rogue" to me. If they can't be shut down by the enforcement agencies, companies need to boycott Averies so they go out of business that way. Blackmalkin
  • Score: 9

6:54pm Sun 17 Aug 14

mysticmike says...

I wonder how long it will be before Averies go bankrupt/cease trading and start another firm under a different name then will not have to pay for the clear up of Swindon's longest burning fire in history. 27 days and counting
I wonder how long it will be before Averies go bankrupt/cease trading and start another firm under a different name then will not have to pay for the clear up of Swindon's longest burning fire in history. 27 days and counting mysticmike
  • Score: 5

10:25pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Waster1 says...

messyits wrote:
As far as I can see no one has paid out anything as yet s they are all public bodies and Averies will be taking the rubbish away and delivering and hazardous waste to the specialists.
Are you serious? If they were operating within the guidelines for their site this fire wouldn't have happened. What makes you think they will now actually do what they're being instructed to do when they've ignored every other notice they've been served?!!!
[quote][p][bold]messyits[/bold] wrote: As far as I can see no one has paid out anything as yet s they are all public bodies and Averies will be taking the rubbish away and delivering and hazardous waste to the specialists.[/p][/quote]Are you serious? If they were operating within the guidelines for their site this fire wouldn't have happened. What makes you think they will now actually do what they're being instructed to do when they've ignored every other notice they've been served?!!! Waster1
  • Score: 5

10:27pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Waster1 says...

mysticmike wrote:
I wonder how long it will be before Averies go bankrupt/cease trading and start another firm under a different name then will not have to pay for the clear up of Swindon's longest burning fire in history. 27 days and counting
They've done it before so expect it to happen again!
[quote][p][bold]mysticmike[/bold] wrote: I wonder how long it will be before Averies go bankrupt/cease trading and start another firm under a different name then will not have to pay for the clear up of Swindon's longest burning fire in history. 27 days and counting[/p][/quote]They've done it before so expect it to happen again! Waster1
  • Score: 5

11:34pm Sun 17 Aug 14

messyits says...

Waster1 wrote:
messyits wrote:
As far as I can see no one has paid out anything as yet s they are all public bodies and Averies will be taking the rubbish away and delivering and hazardous waste to the specialists.
Are you serious? If they were operating within the guidelines for their site this fire wouldn't have happened. What makes you think they will now actually do what they're being instructed to do when they've ignored every other notice they've been served?!!!
Strange how none of the agencies support your claims.
The guidelines are to recycle or reclaim as much as they can from waste to prevent recyclable waste being dumped in landfill. Unfortunately we have very few specialist recycling companies in Swindon.
I think you are too busy accepting comments on here than facts.
[quote][p][bold]Waster1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]messyits[/bold] wrote: As far as I can see no one has paid out anything as yet s they are all public bodies and Averies will be taking the rubbish away and delivering and hazardous waste to the specialists.[/p][/quote]Are you serious? If they were operating within the guidelines for their site this fire wouldn't have happened. What makes you think they will now actually do what they're being instructed to do when they've ignored every other notice they've been served?!!![/p][/quote]Strange how none of the agencies support your claims. The guidelines are to recycle or reclaim as much as they can from waste to prevent recyclable waste being dumped in landfill. Unfortunately we have very few specialist recycling companies in Swindon. I think you are too busy accepting comments on here than facts. messyits
  • Score: -4

8:48am Mon 18 Aug 14

Ollie Dognacky says...

Looks like Messyits account has been "cloned" by the site troll 😜
Looks like Messyits account has been "cloned" by the site troll 😜 Ollie Dognacky
  • Score: -3

9:14am Mon 18 Aug 14

messyits says...

Ollie Dognacky wrote:
Looks like Messyits account has been "cloned" by the site troll 😜
Wrong--to do so would identify the troll--American technology is in place.
[quote][p][bold]Ollie Dognacky[/bold] wrote: Looks like Messyits account has been "cloned" by the site troll 😜[/p][/quote]Wrong--to do so would identify the troll--American technology is in place. messyits
  • Score: -4

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