Call to stop road’s red light jumpers

This Is Wiltshire: Thamesdown Drive in north Swindon – there have been 48 crashes there in the last three years Thamesdown Drive in north Swindon – there have been 48 crashes there in the last three years

A PETITION has been set up calling for the introduction of red light cameras along Thamesdown Drive to prevent further accidents.

The number of accidents has been a cause of concern for residents living in North Swindon for some time, especially following the death of 33-year-old Paul Winters in May.

An improved system for traffic lights has been installed to prevent drivers catching all red lights but now there are calls for the council to go further.

The petition has been set up by resident James Holland and already has more than 100 signatures.

On the online petition he says: “As all the residents in North Swindon, and indeed most of the borough’s drivers, know, driving along Thamesdown Drive is fast becoming a dangerous part of our journeys due to a minority of ignorant and selfish drivers who use this road as a racetrack and jump the red lights because they’re going too fast to stop.

“There have been several large smashes as the result of people jumping the red lights at speed along this road this year alone resulting in many injuries and tragically the unnecessary death of a man this May.

“The council’s Highways Depart-ment needs to do something about this and fit all junctions along this road with cameras to catch, fine and endorse the licences of these dangerous drivers before more lives are lost or horrifically changed forever.”

Over the last three years there have been 48 crashes along the road which have resulted in injury, many of which are caused by drivers jumping red lights This has prompted the council to introduce an adaptive system at the lights which responds automatically to fluctuations in traffic flow through the use of on-street detectors to reduce delay and congestion.

On top of this a new programme to educate drivers about the dangers of jumping lights was also set to begin.

Coun Dale Heenan, cabinet member for highways, strategic planning, sustainability and transport, said: “I am fully aware of the issues along Thamesdown Drive.

“I am supportive of the work of local ward Councillors Elliott, Faramarzi and Donachie to tackle the problems along the road.

“I have no issues with considering cameras to catch people jumping red lights and this is already being looked at. The key point is that this is not within the remit of just the council as it needs to be done in partnership with the police.”

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7:15am Tue 19 Aug 14

We're all doomed says...

How about replacing all the lights with roundabouts. They keep traffic flowing, cost less to maintain and are better for environment. This will take away the want to jump red lights.
How about replacing all the lights with roundabouts. They keep traffic flowing, cost less to maintain and are better for environment. This will take away the want to jump red lights. We're all doomed
  • Score: 13

7:56am Tue 19 Aug 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

Roundabouts wouldn't work at peak times unless they had lights as the flow of traffic along TD would be so great the opportunity to pull on to the roundabout would in itself become limited and thus more dangerous.

Witnessed a red light jumped this morning, driver was probably doing in excess of 60 going through the red as he'd clearly put his foot down to try and beat the lights but failed to beat even the amber.
Roundabouts wouldn't work at peak times unless they had lights as the flow of traffic along TD would be so great the opportunity to pull on to the roundabout would in itself become limited and thus more dangerous. Witnessed a red light jumped this morning, driver was probably doing in excess of 60 going through the red as he'd clearly put his foot down to try and beat the lights but failed to beat even the amber. LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: 3

7:58am Tue 19 Aug 14

Sandor Clegane says...

If they introduced Green Wave it would be better all round and also lead to a huge drop in red light jumping - as the perceived 'need' to do so (largely created by the frustration at the poor programming of the lights themselves) would evaporate.

The country should also be adopting the turn left on red policy as this would also significantly reduce congestion and driver frustration. It's also perfectly safe and works well in those more advanced countries that employ the policy.

How about a bit more carrot and a little less stick for a change?
If they introduced Green Wave it would be better all round and also lead to a huge drop in red light jumping - as the perceived 'need' to do so (largely created by the frustration at the poor programming of the lights themselves) would evaporate. The country should also be adopting the turn left on red policy as this would also significantly reduce congestion and driver frustration. It's also perfectly safe and works well in those more advanced countries that employ the policy. How about a bit more carrot and a little less stick for a change? Sandor Clegane
  • Score: 22

8:00am Tue 19 Aug 14

Sandor Clegane says...

We're all doomed wrote:
How about replacing all the lights with roundabouts. They keep traffic flowing, cost less to maintain and are better for environment. This will take away the want to jump red lights.
And only cost a couple of million quid. Have you seen the amount of traffic light junctions on that road? Not to mention it'd put the entire road out of use for months on end.

That's the main problem, it was poorly conceived and designed from the outset. Anything they do now is going to be a poor attempt at correcting a problem that isn't able to be properly corrected.
[quote][p][bold]We're all doomed[/bold] wrote: How about replacing all the lights with roundabouts. They keep traffic flowing, cost less to maintain and are better for environment. This will take away the want to jump red lights.[/p][/quote]And only cost a couple of million quid. Have you seen the amount of traffic light junctions on that road? Not to mention it'd put the entire road out of use for months on end. That's the main problem, it was poorly conceived and designed from the outset. Anything they do now is going to be a poor attempt at correcting a problem that isn't able to be properly corrected. Sandor Clegane
  • Score: 16

8:25am Tue 19 Aug 14

rog-wal says...

Should have had roundabouts from the outset on the smaller junctions. The lights further down the. Road would then regulate flow further up. But no, the planners wanted everything to stop and emit more co2 by stop starting.
Should have had roundabouts from the outset on the smaller junctions. The lights further down the. Road would then regulate flow further up. But no, the planners wanted everything to stop and emit more co2 by stop starting. rog-wal
  • Score: 5

9:02am Tue 19 Aug 14

Alan Bast*rd says...

Leave it as it is and just prosecute red light jumpers and speeders. Allowing turning left on red lights will only cause more accidents.
Leave it as it is and just prosecute red light jumpers and speeders. Allowing turning left on red lights will only cause more accidents. Alan Bast*rd
  • Score: -3

10:44am Tue 19 Aug 14

Sandor Clegane says...

Alan Bast*rd wrote:
Leave it as it is and just prosecute red light jumpers and speeders. Allowing turning left on red lights will only cause more accidents.
The system works well, and safely, in the progressive countries that have adopted it, Davey. There's no reason to believe it wouldn't work equally well here.
[quote][p][bold]Alan Bast*rd[/bold] wrote: Leave it as it is and just prosecute red light jumpers and speeders. Allowing turning left on red lights will only cause more accidents.[/p][/quote]The system works well, and safely, in the progressive countries that have adopted it, Davey. There's no reason to believe it wouldn't work equally well here. Sandor Clegane
  • Score: 5

11:49am Tue 19 Aug 14

house on the hill says...

Sandor Clegane wrote:
If they introduced Green Wave it would be better all round and also lead to a huge drop in red light jumping - as the perceived 'need' to do so (largely created by the frustration at the poor programming of the lights themselves) would evaporate.

The country should also be adopting the turn left on red policy as this would also significantly reduce congestion and driver frustration. It's also perfectly safe and works well in those more advanced countries that employ the policy.

How about a bit more carrot and a little less stick for a change?
Great idea in principle, but for that you need a bit of common sense and courtesy to make it work. This is not something drivers in the town seem to be good at, most don't even know where their indicators are or what lane to be in or how to take it in turns at a 3 road roundabout. There are traffic lights at the end of my road and probably 3 times out of the 5 days a week when i go to work someone will go through on red.

Thamesdown is a nightmare, I did hear of someone who bragged he had done 120mph down there one night, with those sorts of idiots about cameras would be a good thing, even if it just made them think twice.
[quote][p][bold]Sandor Clegane[/bold] wrote: If they introduced Green Wave it would be better all round and also lead to a huge drop in red light jumping - as the perceived 'need' to do so (largely created by the frustration at the poor programming of the lights themselves) would evaporate. The country should also be adopting the turn left on red policy as this would also significantly reduce congestion and driver frustration. It's also perfectly safe and works well in those more advanced countries that employ the policy. How about a bit more carrot and a little less stick for a change?[/p][/quote]Great idea in principle, but for that you need a bit of common sense and courtesy to make it work. This is not something drivers in the town seem to be good at, most don't even know where their indicators are or what lane to be in or how to take it in turns at a 3 road roundabout. There are traffic lights at the end of my road and probably 3 times out of the 5 days a week when i go to work someone will go through on red. Thamesdown is a nightmare, I did hear of someone who bragged he had done 120mph down there one night, with those sorts of idiots about cameras would be a good thing, even if it just made them think twice. house on the hill
  • Score: 3

4:55pm Tue 19 Aug 14

izzie says...

It's not just Thamesdown Drive that we need cameras on , jumping red lights seems to be the norm for the bad drivers of today. Let's have cameras on every traffic light in the country!!
It's not just Thamesdown Drive that we need cameras on , jumping red lights seems to be the norm for the bad drivers of today. Let's have cameras on every traffic light in the country!! izzie
  • Score: -3

6:53pm Tue 19 Aug 14

umpcah says...

izzie wrote:
It's not just Thamesdown Drive that we need cameras on , jumping red lights seems to be the norm for the bad drivers of today. Let's have cameras on every traffic light in the country!!
That`s got to be a good idea because only red light jumpers would be caught. However some of the approaching speeders would slam on their brakes at the last moment causing tail-end shunts !
[quote][p][bold]izzie[/bold] wrote: It's not just Thamesdown Drive that we need cameras on , jumping red lights seems to be the norm for the bad drivers of today. Let's have cameras on every traffic light in the country!![/p][/quote]That`s got to be a good idea because only red light jumpers would be caught. However some of the approaching speeders would slam on their brakes at the last moment causing tail-end shunts ! umpcah
  • Score: -1

2:37am Wed 20 Aug 14

Python says...

Alan Bast*rd wrote:
Leave it as it is and just prosecute red light jumpers and speeders. Allowing turning left on red lights will only cause more accidents.
Not sure I agree with all of this... I live where turn on a red light (right) is fine and see very few accidents. However, the turn on red is overcome with roundabouts, as long as we have courtesy, respect and patience for all our road companions.
[quote][p][bold]Alan Bast*rd[/bold] wrote: Leave it as it is and just prosecute red light jumpers and speeders. Allowing turning left on red lights will only cause more accidents.[/p][/quote]Not sure I agree with all of this... I live where turn on a red light (right) is fine and see very few accidents. However, the turn on red is overcome with roundabouts, as long as we have courtesy, respect and patience for all our road companions. Python
  • Score: 3

8:22am Wed 20 Aug 14

Wigmeister says...

It will take time for the authorities to install cameras. In the meantime, a smartphone or digital camera attached to the dashboard with blu-tac should catch a few lawless drivers. And if the Police won't take action then simply post the footage on YouTube.
It will take time for the authorities to install cameras. In the meantime, a smartphone or digital camera attached to the dashboard with blu-tac should catch a few lawless drivers. And if the Police won't take action then simply post the footage on YouTube. Wigmeister
  • Score: -1

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