Neighbours keep up guard on care home

This Is Wiltshire: Residents are fighting against plans to put a care home business in the middle of a quiet street in Okebourne Park, Liden. Counsellors for Liden and Eldene, Neil Heavens, left, and Derique Montaut front a group of petitioning neighbours Residents are fighting against plans to put a care home business in the middle of a quiet street in Okebourne Park, Liden. Counsellors for Liden and Eldene, Neil Heavens, left, and Derique Montaut front a group of petitioning neighbours

OPPOSITION to a planning application for a care home in Okebourne Park is pressing ahead, with almost 200 signatures gathered on a petition by the residents’ association.

Last month Wiltshire Autism Care said it intended to withdraw plans to convert a Liden property which had prompted objections from residents who claimed it was not a suitable site for the development.

However, the application has now been called in and will be discussed at the planning committee on September 9, when members of the committee will protest the scale of the development.

Keith Stubbs, chairman of the Okebourne Park Action Committee, said: “We have had a number of meetings now and done some research on the matter and we are still objecting to the application.

“We are only objecting on the basis of the scale and nature of the application.

“Ultimately, this is about the use to which the property will be put.

“I am not surprised that people are concerned about the nature of this development.

“This is a problem where people do not want homes in their area being used as businesses. It does seem to contradict some concerns about the lack of housing stock.

“The company have said that it is their intention to withdraw the application but it still stands and work is continuing at the property.

“We have written to them about this and had no response.”

Coun Derique Montaut (Lab, Liden and Eldene) said he has been seeking legal advice from Robert Buckland into the issue of covenants attached to the properties in Liden.

“They have been quite active as a community group,” he said.

“They are campaigning quite vigorously on a wide range of issues from overdevelopment to the covenant saying that businesses can’t operate from residential premises.

“They are organising for a mass turn-out when the planning application is discussed next week and will be lobbying councillors before they go into the meeting.

“I have been working closely with Robert Buckland on the issue of whether it stands up under the legal position of the covenant.

“I think there is some abuse being made in terms of people moving into a development under the pretext that it will be residential but then begin operating it as a business.

“Things need to change on this issue and should be a lot more transparent. Housing is in short supply at the moment, and if you start taking houses out of the system you cause more problems.

“The other issue is it’s possible to get planning permission and at the same time there can be legal appeals against it. It is a bureaucratic system that complicates matters.”

Stuart Hook, of Wiltshire Autism Care, said in a statement: “We place the people we care for at the centre of all of our decisions and would want them to live in an environment where they are fully accepted, and therefore we will not be proceeding with our care home at this location.”

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7:42am Tue 2 Sep 14

EastleazeRed says...

Thought we'd seen the last of these miserable bunch of morons ? Lets hope they never have to have the misfortune of having to look after someone with a disability !
Thought we'd seen the last of these miserable bunch of morons ? Lets hope they never have to have the misfortune of having to look after someone with a disability ! EastleazeRed
  • Score: 14

7:45am Tue 2 Sep 14

birdieman says...

Have this bunch of hypocrites been stood there with their arms crossed all summer..!! Trying a fresh bunch of excuses to help them sleep at night....embarrassin
g.....
Have this bunch of hypocrites been stood there with their arms crossed all summer..!! Trying a fresh bunch of excuses to help them sleep at night....embarrassin g..... birdieman
  • Score: 23

7:57am Tue 2 Sep 14

Oldtownmum says...

Good luck to them. If you've bought your own house with hard earned money you've a right to an opinion as to what goes on in the street. Throwing petty insults at them is making you seem as narrow minded as you think they are!
Good luck to them. If you've bought your own house with hard earned money you've a right to an opinion as to what goes on in the street. Throwing petty insults at them is making you seem as narrow minded as you think they are! Oldtownmum
  • Score: -13

8:27am Tue 2 Sep 14

birdieman says...

Oldtownmum wrote:
Good luck to them. If you've bought your own house with hard earned money you've a right to an opinion as to what goes on in the street. Throwing petty insults at them is making you seem as narrow minded as you think they are!
Not quite, it earns you the right to live in your house, not the right for you to exclude other less fortunate human beings to also live in a community, but you won't get that will you....sad.
[quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: Good luck to them. If you've bought your own house with hard earned money you've a right to an opinion as to what goes on in the street. Throwing petty insults at them is making you seem as narrow minded as you think they are![/p][/quote]Not quite, it earns you the right to live in your house, not the right for you to exclude other less fortunate human beings to also live in a community, but you won't get that will you....sad. birdieman
  • Score: 25

8:54am Tue 2 Sep 14

Oldtownmum says...

birdieman wrote:
Oldtownmum wrote:
Good luck to them. If you've bought your own house with hard earned money you've a right to an opinion as to what goes on in the street. Throwing petty insults at them is making you seem as narrow minded as you think they are!
Not quite, it earns you the right to live in your house, not the right for you to exclude other less fortunate human beings to also live in a community, but you won't get that will you....sad.
It gives you the right to an OPINION..... Get that?
[quote][p][bold]birdieman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: Good luck to them. If you've bought your own house with hard earned money you've a right to an opinion as to what goes on in the street. Throwing petty insults at them is making you seem as narrow minded as you think they are![/p][/quote]Not quite, it earns you the right to live in your house, not the right for you to exclude other less fortunate human beings to also live in a community, but you won't get that will you....sad.[/p][/quote]It gives you the right to an OPINION..... Get that? Oldtownmum
  • Score: 12

10:15am Tue 2 Sep 14

Chrisg46 says...

Oldtownmum wrote:
birdieman wrote:
Oldtownmum wrote:
Good luck to them. If you've bought your own house with hard earned money you've a right to an opinion as to what goes on in the street. Throwing petty insults at them is making you seem as narrow minded as you think they are!
Not quite, it earns you the right to live in your house, not the right for you to exclude other less fortunate human beings to also live in a community, but you won't get that will you....sad.
It gives you the right to an OPINION..... Get that?
But why should "your" opinion stop someone else living where they want to?
[quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]birdieman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: Good luck to them. If you've bought your own house with hard earned money you've a right to an opinion as to what goes on in the street. Throwing petty insults at them is making you seem as narrow minded as you think they are![/p][/quote]Not quite, it earns you the right to live in your house, not the right for you to exclude other less fortunate human beings to also live in a community, but you won't get that will you....sad.[/p][/quote]It gives you the right to an OPINION..... Get that?[/p][/quote]But why should "your" opinion stop someone else living where they want to? Chrisg46
  • Score: 21

11:02am Tue 2 Sep 14

The Simpson's says...

Aren't these individuals entitled to live in the community or are they to be housed in institutions, like they did back in the good old days?
Surely as a society we have moved on from placing people less fortunate from ourselves in institutions?
Remember we are living in the 21st century.
Aren't these individuals entitled to live in the community or are they to be housed in institutions, like they did back in the good old days? Surely as a society we have moved on from placing people less fortunate from ourselves in institutions? Remember we are living in the 21st century. The Simpson's
  • Score: 15

11:15am Tue 2 Sep 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

I thought Wiltshire Autism Care has already withdrawn the application because the residents had said they did not want a residential property being used as a business?
Over 200 signatures??....That must be the whole estate as what would the point be of signatures of anyone not living there?

Its sad to see "people" doing their utmost to prevent some young people from standing up on there own, attempting to be more independent.
The whole situation has been a disaster from the start, the residents were offered a private meeting to discuss their fears and refused it deciding instead to go to the paper.
They have claimed there complaint is because businesses should not be yet there are a number of businesses being run from the estate already.

Well done Okebourne Park Action Committee you have beaten down some young people dealing with Autism and made what should of been a life changing event something something awful.
Another shameful entry in the history of Swindon.
I thought Wiltshire Autism Care has already withdrawn the application because the residents had said they did not want a residential property being used as a business? Over 200 signatures??....That must be the whole estate as what would the point be of signatures of anyone not living there? Its sad to see "people" doing their utmost to prevent some young people from standing up on there own, attempting to be more independent. The whole situation has been a disaster from the start, the residents were offered a private meeting to discuss their fears and refused it deciding instead to go to the paper. They have claimed there complaint is because businesses should not be yet there are a number of businesses being run from the estate already. Well done Okebourne Park Action Committee you have beaten down some young people dealing with Autism and made what should of been a life changing event something something awful. Another shameful entry in the history of Swindon. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 22

11:32am Tue 2 Sep 14

Alain Menai says...

So having stirred up a wholly justified backlash, some of the residents of Okebourne are now trying to get off on a technicality.

Derique Montaut states ' I think there is some abuse being made in terms of people moving in to a development under the pretext that it will be residential but then begin operating as a business'.

Well it seems to me that the purpose of the business is to provide Residential Accomodation for Adults with Learning Disabilities which has become necessary due to the privatisation of Council run care homes.

The Disability Discrimination Act clearly states that such individuals have a right to live in the community.

By the way, almost two hundred signatures gathered by the Okebourne residents is not very impressive given that there are ninety houses on Okebourne with approximately two hundred and twenty one residents. Seems like they have only confirmed their own bias.
So having stirred up a wholly justified backlash, some of the residents of Okebourne are now trying to get off on a technicality. Derique Montaut states ' I think there is some abuse being made in terms of people moving in to a development under the pretext that it will be residential but then begin operating as a business'. Well it seems to me that the purpose of the business is to provide Residential Accomodation for Adults with Learning Disabilities which has become necessary due to the privatisation of Council run care homes. The Disability Discrimination Act clearly states that such individuals have a right to live in the community. By the way, almost two hundred signatures gathered by the Okebourne residents is not very impressive given that there are ninety houses on Okebourne with approximately two hundred and twenty one residents. Seems like they have only confirmed their own bias. Alain Menai
  • Score: 14

11:41am Tue 2 Sep 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Oldtownmum wrote:
birdieman wrote:
Oldtownmum wrote:
Good luck to them. If you've bought your own house with hard earned money you've a right to an opinion as to what goes on in the street. Throwing petty insults at them is making you seem as narrow minded as you think they are!
Not quite, it earns you the right to live in your house, not the right for you to exclude other less fortunate human beings to also live in a community, but you won't get that will you....sad.
It gives you the right to an OPINION..... Get that?
Still jumping up and down begging to be noticed....Sigh you are dull.

Are you saying people must own a property to have an opinion? Surely all people have the right to an opinion.
Again its hard to read your posts. Not sure if its your need to say things that will gain attention or if you actually are an angry person. Its just a bit sad really isnt it.

As the nature of this business is the part residents are objecting to maybe a half-way house for young offenders would be a better use of the property, too young to drive so no extra cars, property paid for by gov so never empty seems win-win to me.

Why according to you is a home owners opinion worth more than someone who owns a home?
[quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]birdieman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: Good luck to them. If you've bought your own house with hard earned money you've a right to an opinion as to what goes on in the street. Throwing petty insults at them is making you seem as narrow minded as you think they are![/p][/quote]Not quite, it earns you the right to live in your house, not the right for you to exclude other less fortunate human beings to also live in a community, but you won't get that will you....sad.[/p][/quote]It gives you the right to an OPINION..... Get that?[/p][/quote]Still jumping up and down begging to be noticed....Sigh you are dull. Are you saying people must own a property to have an opinion? Surely all people have the right to an opinion. Again its hard to read your posts. Not sure if its your need to say things that will gain attention or if you actually are an angry person. Its just a bit sad really isnt it. As the nature of this business is the part residents are objecting to maybe a half-way house for young offenders would be a better use of the property, too young to drive so no extra cars, property paid for by gov so never empty seems win-win to me. Why according to you is a home owners opinion worth more than someone who owns a home? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -7

11:58am Tue 2 Sep 14

OldTown90 says...

Oldtownmum wrote:
Good luck to them. If you've bought your own house with hard earned money you've a right to an opinion as to what goes on in the street. Throwing petty insults at them is making you seem as narrow minded as you think they are!
is this the same oldtownmum that criticized the croft residents when they expressed their opinions on the school that was being built in their local area?

At least be consistent oldtownmum
[quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: Good luck to them. If you've bought your own house with hard earned money you've a right to an opinion as to what goes on in the street. Throwing petty insults at them is making you seem as narrow minded as you think they are![/p][/quote]is this the same oldtownmum that criticized the croft residents when they expressed their opinions on the school that was being built in their local area? At least be consistent oldtownmum OldTown90
  • Score: 5

12:34pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Oldtownmum says...

OldTown90 wrote:
Oldtownmum wrote:
Good luck to them. If you've bought your own house with hard earned money you've a right to an opinion as to what goes on in the street. Throwing petty insults at them is making you seem as narrow minded as you think they are!
is this the same oldtownmum that criticized the croft residents when they expressed their opinions on the school that was being built in their local area?

At least be consistent oldtownmum
A school is a bit different to a residential home. I'd have absolutely no problem with a school built in my road.
[quote][p][bold]OldTown90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: Good luck to them. If you've bought your own house with hard earned money you've a right to an opinion as to what goes on in the street. Throwing petty insults at them is making you seem as narrow minded as you think they are![/p][/quote]is this the same oldtownmum that criticized the croft residents when they expressed their opinions on the school that was being built in their local area? At least be consistent oldtownmum[/p][/quote]A school is a bit different to a residential home. I'd have absolutely no problem with a school built in my road. Oldtownmum
  • Score: 1

12:34pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Oldtownmum says...

OldTown90 wrote:
Oldtownmum wrote:
Good luck to them. If you've bought your own house with hard earned money you've a right to an opinion as to what goes on in the street. Throwing petty insults at them is making you seem as narrow minded as you think they are!
is this the same oldtownmum that criticized the croft residents when they expressed their opinions on the school that was being built in their local area?

At least be consistent oldtownmum
A school is a bit different to a residential home. I'd have absolutely no problem with a school built in my road.
[quote][p][bold]OldTown90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: Good luck to them. If you've bought your own house with hard earned money you've a right to an opinion as to what goes on in the street. Throwing petty insults at them is making you seem as narrow minded as you think they are![/p][/quote]is this the same oldtownmum that criticized the croft residents when they expressed their opinions on the school that was being built in their local area? At least be consistent oldtownmum[/p][/quote]A school is a bit different to a residential home. I'd have absolutely no problem with a school built in my road. Oldtownmum
  • Score: -3

12:40pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Oldtownmum says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
Oldtownmum wrote:
birdieman wrote:
Oldtownmum wrote:
Good luck to them. If you've bought your own house with hard earned money you've a right to an opinion as to what goes on in the street. Throwing petty insults at them is making you seem as narrow minded as you think they are!
Not quite, it earns you the right to live in your house, not the right for you to exclude other less fortunate human beings to also live in a community, but you won't get that will you....sad.
It gives you the right to an OPINION..... Get that?
Still jumping up and down begging to be noticed....Sigh you are dull.

Are you saying people must own a property to have an opinion? Surely all people have the right to an opinion.
Again its hard to read your posts. Not sure if its your need to say things that will gain attention or if you actually are an angry person. Its just a bit sad really isnt it.

As the nature of this business is the part residents are objecting to maybe a half-way house for young offenders would be a better use of the property, too young to drive so no extra cars, property paid for by gov so never empty seems win-win to me.

Why according to you is a home owners opinion worth more than someone who owns a home?
You're quite pathetic really. Do you spend your days looking through comments for someone to start an argument with? All you seem to do is find comments I've made , quote them, then go on tiresome rant. To be honest I barely make it to the end of them as they're so full of hot air. And you say it's me seeking attention?! I guarantee you'll not find an example of me picking petty fights, I've merely given my opinion and left it at that. Find a more interesting hobby. It'll do you good.

You can quote me and rant at me all you like, you petty individual, but I've no intention of joining your cretinous game. This is the last time I give you the attention you're clearly in need of....
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]birdieman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: Good luck to them. If you've bought your own house with hard earned money you've a right to an opinion as to what goes on in the street. Throwing petty insults at them is making you seem as narrow minded as you think they are![/p][/quote]Not quite, it earns you the right to live in your house, not the right for you to exclude other less fortunate human beings to also live in a community, but you won't get that will you....sad.[/p][/quote]It gives you the right to an OPINION..... Get that?[/p][/quote]Still jumping up and down begging to be noticed....Sigh you are dull. Are you saying people must own a property to have an opinion? Surely all people have the right to an opinion. Again its hard to read your posts. Not sure if its your need to say things that will gain attention or if you actually are an angry person. Its just a bit sad really isnt it. As the nature of this business is the part residents are objecting to maybe a half-way house for young offenders would be a better use of the property, too young to drive so no extra cars, property paid for by gov so never empty seems win-win to me. Why according to you is a home owners opinion worth more than someone who owns a home?[/p][/quote]You're quite pathetic really. Do you spend your days looking through comments for someone to start an argument with? All you seem to do is find comments I've made , quote them, then go on tiresome rant. To be honest I barely make it to the end of them as they're so full of hot air. And you say it's me seeking attention?! I guarantee you'll not find an example of me picking petty fights, I've merely given my opinion and left it at that. Find a more interesting hobby. It'll do you good. You can quote me and rant at me all you like, you petty individual, but I've no intention of joining your cretinous game. This is the last time I give you the attention you're clearly in need of.... Oldtownmum
  • Score: 7

1:18pm Tue 2 Sep 14

EastleazeRed says...

Oldtownmum wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
Oldtownmum wrote:
birdieman wrote:
Oldtownmum wrote:
Good luck to them. If you've bought your own house with hard earned money you've a right to an opinion as to what goes on in the street. Throwing petty insults at them is making you seem as narrow minded as you think they are!
Not quite, it earns you the right to live in your house, not the right for you to exclude other less fortunate human beings to also live in a community, but you won't get that will you....sad.
It gives you the right to an OPINION..... Get that?
Still jumping up and down begging to be noticed....Sigh you are dull.

Are you saying people must own a property to have an opinion? Surely all people have the right to an opinion.
Again its hard to read your posts. Not sure if its your need to say things that will gain attention or if you actually are an angry person. Its just a bit sad really isnt it.

As the nature of this business is the part residents are objecting to maybe a half-way house for young offenders would be a better use of the property, too young to drive so no extra cars, property paid for by gov so never empty seems win-win to me.

Why according to you is a home owners opinion worth more than someone who owns a home?
You're quite pathetic really. Do you spend your days looking through comments for someone to start an argument with? All you seem to do is find comments I've made , quote them, then go on tiresome rant. To be honest I barely make it to the end of them as they're so full of hot air. And you say it's me seeking attention?! I guarantee you'll not find an example of me picking petty fights, I've merely given my opinion and left it at that. Find a more interesting hobby. It'll do you good.

You can quote me and rant at me all you like, you petty individual, but I've no intention of joining your cretinous game. This is the last time I give you the attention you're clearly in need of....
Ain't you got any housework to do ? Bet oldtowndad ain't happy coming home from work and finding no dinner on the table and a pile full of ironing because you're arguing on net all day !
[quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]birdieman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: Good luck to them. If you've bought your own house with hard earned money you've a right to an opinion as to what goes on in the street. Throwing petty insults at them is making you seem as narrow minded as you think they are![/p][/quote]Not quite, it earns you the right to live in your house, not the right for you to exclude other less fortunate human beings to also live in a community, but you won't get that will you....sad.[/p][/quote]It gives you the right to an OPINION..... Get that?[/p][/quote]Still jumping up and down begging to be noticed....Sigh you are dull. Are you saying people must own a property to have an opinion? Surely all people have the right to an opinion. Again its hard to read your posts. Not sure if its your need to say things that will gain attention or if you actually are an angry person. Its just a bit sad really isnt it. As the nature of this business is the part residents are objecting to maybe a half-way house for young offenders would be a better use of the property, too young to drive so no extra cars, property paid for by gov so never empty seems win-win to me. Why according to you is a home owners opinion worth more than someone who owns a home?[/p][/quote]You're quite pathetic really. Do you spend your days looking through comments for someone to start an argument with? All you seem to do is find comments I've made , quote them, then go on tiresome rant. To be honest I barely make it to the end of them as they're so full of hot air. And you say it's me seeking attention?! I guarantee you'll not find an example of me picking petty fights, I've merely given my opinion and left it at that. Find a more interesting hobby. It'll do you good. You can quote me and rant at me all you like, you petty individual, but I've no intention of joining your cretinous game. This is the last time I give you the attention you're clearly in need of....[/p][/quote]Ain't you got any housework to do ? Bet oldtowndad ain't happy coming home from work and finding no dinner on the table and a pile full of ironing because you're arguing on net all day ! EastleazeRed
  • Score: -5

1:22pm Tue 2 Sep 14

OldTown90 says...

Oldtownmum wrote:
OldTown90 wrote:
Oldtownmum wrote:
Good luck to them. If you've bought your own house with hard earned money you've a right to an opinion as to what goes on in the street. Throwing petty insults at them is making you seem as narrow minded as you think they are!
is this the same oldtownmum that criticized the croft residents when they expressed their opinions on the school that was being built in their local area?

At least be consistent oldtownmum
A school is a bit different to a residential home. I'd have absolutely no problem with a school built in my road.
Care home or school what's the difference? Why are you ok with people having opinions about one but not the other?
[quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldTown90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: Good luck to them. If you've bought your own house with hard earned money you've a right to an opinion as to what goes on in the street. Throwing petty insults at them is making you seem as narrow minded as you think they are![/p][/quote]is this the same oldtownmum that criticized the croft residents when they expressed their opinions on the school that was being built in their local area? At least be consistent oldtownmum[/p][/quote]A school is a bit different to a residential home. I'd have absolutely no problem with a school built in my road.[/p][/quote]Care home or school what's the difference? Why are you ok with people having opinions about one but not the other? OldTown90
  • Score: -3

1:54pm Tue 2 Sep 14

house on the hill says...

So how many posting here actually live on that street?

The harsh reality of society today is that the value of houses will drop if it is built so an estate agent friend of mine said which is a very sad indictment of society and a clear indicator that in reality people are nothing like as open minded as they pretend to be!
So how many posting here actually live on that street? The harsh reality of society today is that the value of houses will drop if it is built so an estate agent friend of mine said which is a very sad indictment of society and a clear indicator that in reality people are nothing like as open minded as they pretend to be! house on the hill
  • Score: 6

1:57pm Tue 2 Sep 14

tarot says...

This is blatant discrimination. One day some of these ignorant people will need a support network for a member of their family. It will not be available because of people like themselves. Karma always wins.
This is blatant discrimination. One day some of these ignorant people will need a support network for a member of their family. It will not be available because of people like themselves. Karma always wins. tarot
  • Score: 1

2:11pm Tue 2 Sep 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

Oldtownmum wrote:
OldTown90 wrote:
Oldtownmum wrote:
Good luck to them. If you've bought your own house with hard earned money you've a right to an opinion as to what goes on in the street. Throwing petty insults at them is making you seem as narrow minded as you think they are!
is this the same oldtownmum that criticized the croft residents when they expressed their opinions on the school that was being built in their local area?

At least be consistent oldtownmum
A school is a bit different to a residential home. I'd have absolutely no problem with a school built in my road.
You do realise it's entirely possible that children with autism go to school? And it's entirely possible that those children with autism may go to the school "built in your road" (by the way, it's not "your" road).

So how is it really any different? All you've really said here is you're prejudiced against people with a disability and wouldn't want them to live near you. Nice.

So assuming you're not that shallow and completely lacking in empathy, what is it you've actually got against a residential home for those that don't have your advantages exactly?
[quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldTown90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: Good luck to them. If you've bought your own house with hard earned money you've a right to an opinion as to what goes on in the street. Throwing petty insults at them is making you seem as narrow minded as you think they are![/p][/quote]is this the same oldtownmum that criticized the croft residents when they expressed their opinions on the school that was being built in their local area? At least be consistent oldtownmum[/p][/quote]A school is a bit different to a residential home. I'd have absolutely no problem with a school built in my road.[/p][/quote]You do realise it's entirely possible that children with autism go to school? And it's entirely possible that those children with autism may go to the school "built in your road" (by the way, it's not "your" road). So how is it really any different? All you've really said here is you're prejudiced against people with a disability and wouldn't want them to live near you. Nice. So assuming you're not that shallow and completely lacking in empathy, what is it you've actually got against a residential home for those that don't have your advantages exactly? The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: 4

2:14pm Tue 2 Sep 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

house on the hill wrote:
So how many posting here actually live on that street?

The harsh reality of society today is that the value of houses will drop if it is built so an estate agent friend of mine said which is a very sad indictment of society and a clear indicator that in reality people are nothing like as open minded as they pretend to be!
Well I lived next to a care home for the mentally disabled for 28 years of my life, and an old people's home on the other side. I can categorically state it made absolutely no difference to either the house price or the ability to sell when we moved! Perhaps people are actually more open minded than you'd like to believe?
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: So how many posting here actually live on that street? The harsh reality of society today is that the value of houses will drop if it is built so an estate agent friend of mine said which is a very sad indictment of society and a clear indicator that in reality people are nothing like as open minded as they pretend to be![/p][/quote]Well I lived next to a care home for the mentally disabled for 28 years of my life, and an old people's home on the other side. I can categorically state it made absolutely no difference to either the house price or the ability to sell when we moved! Perhaps people are actually more open minded than you'd like to believe? The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: 5

2:16pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

OldTown90 wrote:
Oldtownmum wrote:
Good luck to them. If you've bought your own house with hard earned money you've a right to an opinion as to what goes on in the street. Throwing petty insults at them is making you seem as narrow minded as you think they are!
is this the same oldtownmum that criticized the croft residents when they expressed their opinions on the school that was being built in their local area?

At least be consistent oldtownmum
One would improve the value of the property...The other would have no effect at all except in the mind of the Buckets
[quote][p][bold]OldTown90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: Good luck to them. If you've bought your own house with hard earned money you've a right to an opinion as to what goes on in the street. Throwing petty insults at them is making you seem as narrow minded as you think they are![/p][/quote]is this the same oldtownmum that criticized the croft residents when they expressed their opinions on the school that was being built in their local area? At least be consistent oldtownmum[/p][/quote]One would improve the value of the property...The other would have no effect at all except in the mind of the Buckets Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -2

2:23pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Oldtownmum wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
Oldtownmum wrote:
birdieman wrote:
Oldtownmum wrote:
Good luck to them. If you've bought your own house with hard earned money you've a right to an opinion as to what goes on in the street. Throwing petty insults at them is making you seem as narrow minded as you think they are!
Not quite, it earns you the right to live in your house, not the right for you to exclude other less fortunate human beings to also live in a community, but you won't get that will you....sad.
It gives you the right to an OPINION..... Get that?
Still jumping up and down begging to be noticed....Sigh you are dull.

Are you saying people must own a property to have an opinion? Surely all people have the right to an opinion.
Again its hard to read your posts. Not sure if its your need to say things that will gain attention or if you actually are an angry person. Its just a bit sad really isnt it.

As the nature of this business is the part residents are objecting to maybe a half-way house for young offenders would be a better use of the property, too young to drive so no extra cars, property paid for by gov so never empty seems win-win to me.

Why according to you is a home owners opinion worth more than someone who owns a home?
You're quite pathetic really. Do you spend your days looking through comments for someone to start an argument with? All you seem to do is find comments I've made , quote them, then go on tiresome rant. To be honest I barely make it to the end of them as they're so full of hot air. And you say it's me seeking attention?! I guarantee you'll not find an example of me picking petty fights, I've merely given my opinion and left it at that. Find a more interesting hobby. It'll do you good.

You can quote me and rant at me all you like, you petty individual, but I've no intention of joining your cretinous game. This is the last time I give you the attention you're clearly in need of....
Bless....
Your hypocrisy is as stunning as the gaps in your knowledge.
The worst part is your really dont seem to notice, its fine for you to have your opinion and use capitals to show your shouty foot stamping attitude but your language is extremely aggressive to hose that dont share your view.
I dont need to quote you. Your comments make you look foolish enough.
[quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]birdieman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: Good luck to them. If you've bought your own house with hard earned money you've a right to an opinion as to what goes on in the street. Throwing petty insults at them is making you seem as narrow minded as you think they are![/p][/quote]Not quite, it earns you the right to live in your house, not the right for you to exclude other less fortunate human beings to also live in a community, but you won't get that will you....sad.[/p][/quote]It gives you the right to an OPINION..... Get that?[/p][/quote]Still jumping up and down begging to be noticed....Sigh you are dull. Are you saying people must own a property to have an opinion? Surely all people have the right to an opinion. Again its hard to read your posts. Not sure if its your need to say things that will gain attention or if you actually are an angry person. Its just a bit sad really isnt it. As the nature of this business is the part residents are objecting to maybe a half-way house for young offenders would be a better use of the property, too young to drive so no extra cars, property paid for by gov so never empty seems win-win to me. Why according to you is a home owners opinion worth more than someone who owns a home?[/p][/quote]You're quite pathetic really. Do you spend your days looking through comments for someone to start an argument with? All you seem to do is find comments I've made , quote them, then go on tiresome rant. To be honest I barely make it to the end of them as they're so full of hot air. And you say it's me seeking attention?! I guarantee you'll not find an example of me picking petty fights, I've merely given my opinion and left it at that. Find a more interesting hobby. It'll do you good. You can quote me and rant at me all you like, you petty individual, but I've no intention of joining your cretinous game. This is the last time I give you the attention you're clearly in need of....[/p][/quote]Bless.... Your hypocrisy is as stunning as the gaps in your knowledge. The worst part is your really dont seem to notice, its fine for you to have your opinion and use capitals to show your shouty foot stamping attitude but your language is extremely aggressive to hose that dont share your view. I dont need to quote you. Your comments make you look foolish enough. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -4

4:58pm Tue 2 Sep 14

house on the hill says...

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
So how many posting here actually live on that street?

The harsh reality of society today is that the value of houses will drop if it is built so an estate agent friend of mine said which is a very sad indictment of society and a clear indicator that in reality people are nothing like as open minded as they pretend to be!
Well I lived next to a care home for the mentally disabled for 28 years of my life, and an old people's home on the other side. I can categorically state it made absolutely no difference to either the house price or the ability to sell when we moved! Perhaps people are actually more open minded than you'd like to believe?
It was a quote form an estate agent not me who would probably know about these things! I have no idea myself thanks very much. But in answer to your last point, no I don't think people are anywhere near as open minded as they like to think they are. Read the thread on the gravestone vandals.
[quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: So how many posting here actually live on that street? The harsh reality of society today is that the value of houses will drop if it is built so an estate agent friend of mine said which is a very sad indictment of society and a clear indicator that in reality people are nothing like as open minded as they pretend to be![/p][/quote]Well I lived next to a care home for the mentally disabled for 28 years of my life, and an old people's home on the other side. I can categorically state it made absolutely no difference to either the house price or the ability to sell when we moved! Perhaps people are actually more open minded than you'd like to believe?[/p][/quote]It was a quote form an estate agent not me who would probably know about these things! I have no idea myself thanks very much. But in answer to your last point, no I don't think people are anywhere near as open minded as they like to think they are. Read the thread on the gravestone vandals. house on the hill
  • Score: 7

5:07pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Amberflame says...

Oldtownmum wrote:
OldTown90 wrote:
Oldtownmum wrote:
Good luck to them. If you've bought your own house with hard earned money you've a right to an opinion as to what goes on in the street. Throwing petty insults at them is making you seem as narrow minded as you think they are!
is this the same oldtownmum that criticized the croft residents when they expressed their opinions on the school that was being built in their local area?

At least be consistent oldtownmum
A school is a bit different to a residential home. I'd have absolutely no problem with a school built in my road.
Would that include a school for children with Autism???
[quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldTown90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: Good luck to them. If you've bought your own house with hard earned money you've a right to an opinion as to what goes on in the street. Throwing petty insults at them is making you seem as narrow minded as you think they are![/p][/quote]is this the same oldtownmum that criticized the croft residents when they expressed their opinions on the school that was being built in their local area? At least be consistent oldtownmum[/p][/quote]A school is a bit different to a residential home. I'd have absolutely no problem with a school built in my road.[/p][/quote]Would that include a school for children with Autism??? Amberflame
  • Score: -1

6:58pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Cheekaboo74 says...

As a mother of two autistic children, I find this absolutely disgusting, it amazes me how ignorant and prejudiced people are. People with autism are clearly misunderstood, it is a social and communication disorder, it doesn't make them dangerous or anti social. They are not contagious and have as much right to live peacefully in a safe and secure environment without prejudice as anyone else. It frightens me to think of my children and what future they will have, with society judging them based on ignorance. If people bothered to do their research properly they would learn of endless famous people on the autistic spectrum, who have not only provided entertainment through films and music, but have also helped our world to evolve.
As a mother of two autistic children, I find this absolutely disgusting, it amazes me how ignorant and prejudiced people are. People with autism are clearly misunderstood, it is a social and communication disorder, it doesn't make them dangerous or anti social. They are not contagious and have as much right to live peacefully in a safe and secure environment without prejudice as anyone else. It frightens me to think of my children and what future they will have, with society judging them based on ignorance. If people bothered to do their research properly they would learn of endless famous people on the autistic spectrum, who have not only provided entertainment through films and music, but have also helped our world to evolve. Cheekaboo74
  • Score: 7

11:04pm Tue 2 Sep 14

birdieman says...

Oldtownmum wrote:
birdieman wrote:
Oldtownmum wrote:
Good luck to them. If you've bought your own house with hard earned money you've a right to an opinion as to what goes on in the street. Throwing petty insults at them is making you seem as narrow minded as you think they are!
Not quite, it earns you the right to live in your house, not the right for you to exclude other less fortunate human beings to also live in a community, but you won't get that will you....sad.
It gives you the right to an OPINION..... Get that?
So why are you entitled to live in the area you choose and not these less fortunate people. They are people, who to a less or more degree need assistance, try opening your heart you just might like it....
[quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]birdieman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: Good luck to them. If you've bought your own house with hard earned money you've a right to an opinion as to what goes on in the street. Throwing petty insults at them is making you seem as narrow minded as you think they are![/p][/quote]Not quite, it earns you the right to live in your house, not the right for you to exclude other less fortunate human beings to also live in a community, but you won't get that will you....sad.[/p][/quote]It gives you the right to an OPINION..... Get that?[/p][/quote]So why are you entitled to live in the area you choose and not these less fortunate people. They are people, who to a less or more degree need assistance, try opening your heart you just might like it.... birdieman
  • Score: -2

8:29am Wed 3 Sep 14

Les Colyer says...

Quote "They are campaigning quite vigorously on a wide range of issues from overdevelopment to the covenant saying that businesses can’t operate from residential premises."

It's been said before but there are numerous businesses being run from residential premises on Okebourne Park.
Did the homeowners who run these businesses really understand what they were getting involved with & realise what could happen to their livelihood if the deed of covenant is found to be valid & legal?
Turkeys voting for Christmas comes to mind.
Whoever suggested using the deed as a way of stopping this care home from opening is going to have to answer some very uncomfortable questions from these residents as they have to relocate their businesses at their own cost.
Quote "They are campaigning quite vigorously on a wide range of issues from overdevelopment to the covenant saying that businesses can’t operate from residential premises." It's been said before but there are numerous businesses being run from residential premises on Okebourne Park. Did the homeowners who run these businesses really understand what they were getting involved with & realise what could happen to their livelihood if the deed of covenant is found to be valid & legal? Turkeys voting for Christmas comes to mind. Whoever suggested using the deed as a way of stopping this care home from opening is going to have to answer some very uncomfortable questions from these residents as they have to relocate their businesses at their own cost. Les Colyer
  • Score: 1
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