Slippery steps will cause an accident

This Is Wiltshire: Sue Lea and Coun Dave Wood Sue Lea and Coun Dave Wood

SLIPPERY steps in Eastcott have been called an accident waiting to happen by concerned residents.

People living near the steps, which run from Dunsford Close to a green area near Valleyside, have complained that a build-up of mud and fallen leaves pose a danger.

They say that the mess has not been cleaned up for months, and are calling on Swindon Council to take action.

The steps are supposed to be checked and swept by Swindon Commercial Services every three weeks, according to the council contractor’s schedule.

Resident Su Lea, 47, of Dunsford Close, uses the steps three times a day to walk her dog.

She claims they were last cleaned in May, when she complained to Lib Dem councillors when they were seeking re-election, but nothing has happened since.

She says pedestrians take their lives into their own hands when they try to walk up or down the steps.

The mother-of-one said: “I use these steps, as do many of the residents there, every day and they’re absolutely treacherous.

“They’re so slippery that someone is going to have an accident and the council is going to be sued.

“It’s just been ignored for months. The top of the steps are very slippery.

“It never dries out because they’ve allowed trees to grow over the top and shade it.

“You cannot help the leaves falling but it should be swept and kept clean and mud-free.”

Coun Dave Wood (Lib Dem, Eastcott), who has again taken up the issue, said: “I’m quite disappointed about the whole thing to be honest.

“The issue has been going on for several months now, and residents were assured the cleaning works were taking place.

“I was told it should be taking place every three weeks, but this hasn’t happened.

“It’s an accident waiting to happen.

“It’s something I’ve pushed and pushed for but I’m just disappointed nothing has happened, which is a real shame. It’s the residents who are suffering.”

No one from Swindon Council was available for comment.

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10:23am Sat 29 Sep 12

RichardR1 says...

Perhaps they should have brought a couple of brooms and sept the steps whilst the Adver to the photo's.

Time productively spent.
Perhaps they should have brought a couple of brooms and sept the steps whilst the Adver to the photo's. Time productively spent. RichardR1

11:24am Sat 29 Sep 12

Silver Lining says...

OK so Swindon Commercial Services and the Swindon Council could do better. But, if this is such a danger and safety hazard, why hasn't Ms Lea or her neighbours shown some public spiritedness in the last 5 months and cleared it themselves. I would have thought that public safety was more important than a publicity seeking photocall and blaming someone else.
And I wouldn't vote for a Councillor that seems to want to get his picture in the paper more than deal with the issue. Perhaps he'd be more effective if he spent less time in front of the Adver's cameras and more time dealing with things like this by resolving the issues with the relevant council staff.
OK so Swindon Commercial Services and the Swindon Council could do better. But, if this is such a danger and safety hazard, why hasn't Ms Lea or her neighbours shown some public spiritedness in the last 5 months and cleared it themselves. I would have thought that public safety was more important than a publicity seeking photocall and blaming someone else. And I wouldn't vote for a Councillor that seems to want to get his picture in the paper more than deal with the issue. Perhaps he'd be more effective if he spent less time in front of the Adver's cameras and more time dealing with things like this by resolving the issues with the relevant council staff. Silver Lining

12:10pm Sat 29 Sep 12

DaveWood1981 says...

Silver> I work to resolve local issues on a daily basis and hardly any of them reach the press. The only time things reach the press is when normal working with officers has not worked - despite repeated attempts over months and months - that this becomes the last resort.
Silver> I work to resolve local issues on a daily basis and hardly any of them reach the press. The only time things reach the press is when normal working with officers has not worked - despite repeated attempts over months and months - that this becomes the last resort. DaveWood1981

12:38pm Sat 29 Sep 12

slugbait says...

I think the point is,what are we paying our council tax for?Don't we already pay for this service?
I think the point is,what are we paying our council tax for?Don't we already pay for this service? slugbait

12:46pm Sat 29 Sep 12

Localboy86 says...

It's a slippery slope
It's a slippery slope Localboy86

12:55pm Sat 29 Sep 12

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

@DaveWood

Or when there is a great photo opportunity for a councillor to have a photo taken to show how they are actively involved.

Or when the people involved think they can get a few quid for the story!

Or when the people involved think the embaressment caused to the council or other public body will move them up in priority!

How much better would the headline have been if it said... Councilor Dave Wood picks up a broom to clean dangerous steps due to concern for residence.
@DaveWood Or when there is a great photo opportunity for a councillor to have a photo taken to show how they are actively involved. Or when the people involved think they can get a few quid for the story! Or when the people involved think the embaressment caused to the council or other public body will move them up in priority! How much better would the headline have been if it said... Councilor Dave Wood picks up a broom to clean dangerous steps due to concern for residence. LordAshOfTheBrake

1:13pm Sat 29 Sep 12

stu2010 says...

They can't be that disgruntled because they haven't got their arms folded
They can't be that disgruntled because they haven't got their arms folded stu2010

1:15pm Sat 29 Sep 12

DaveWood1981 says...

Brake> It should not be a matter of priority. Your Council Tax money is paying for these steps to be cleaned each three weeks, and that's not happening. My sweeping them would not have addressed that issue.
However in cases where the Council will not clean up I'm known for getting my hands dirty. I've spent at least 6 days of my weekends in the last year clearing up alleyways that the Council will not clear.
Brake> It should not be a matter of priority. Your Council Tax money is paying for these steps to be cleaned each three weeks, and that's not happening. My sweeping them would not have addressed that issue. However in cases where the Council will not clean up I'm known for getting my hands dirty. I've spent at least 6 days of my weekends in the last year clearing up alleyways that the Council will not clear. DaveWood1981

1:38pm Sat 29 Sep 12

LocalBob80 says...

It would probably take more than a broom to stop steps being slippery.

Maybe a jet washer
It would probably take more than a broom to stop steps being slippery. Maybe a jet washer LocalBob80

2:42pm Sat 29 Sep 12

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

@DaveWood

Of course its a matter of priority. Council tax money only goes so far and can only do so much; therefore its prioritised.

Perhaps the council should just fence the steps off and stop everyone using them.

The alleyways you clean; are they not private alleyways and therefore not the councils responsibility?

Of course if the council added 20% to everyones council tax bill there would be up roar.

The truth of the matter is that the councils by very nature are under funded which is in part due to the wasteful handling of public money (I said in part).
@DaveWood Of course its a matter of priority. Council tax money only goes so far and can only do so much; therefore its prioritised. Perhaps the council should just fence the steps off and stop everyone using them. The alleyways you clean; are they not private alleyways and therefore not the councils responsibility? Of course if the council added 20% to everyones council tax bill there would be up roar. The truth of the matter is that the councils by very nature are under funded which is in part due to the wasteful handling of public money (I said in part). LordAshOfTheBrake

3:15pm Sat 29 Sep 12

faatmaan says...

i bet they also want them gritting first when the snow comes, common sense is also needed, you don't walk out into traffic deliberately, many places in Swindon suffer from neglect, perhaps if it was a council estate this would not even be an issue.
i bet they also want them gritting first when the snow comes, common sense is also needed, you don't walk out into traffic deliberately, many places in Swindon suffer from neglect, perhaps if it was a council estate this would not even be an issue. faatmaan

3:37pm Sat 29 Sep 12

DaveWood1981 says...

Brake> You might be misunderstanding. Yes, all resources are prioritised. And that process decided these steps should be cleaned each three weeks. And the Council pays a company (your Council Tax money) to clean the steps each three weeks. And that's not been happening.
And yes the alleys were communal but not under Council responsibility. Similar to this situation, if they were Council responsibility I wouldn't have given up so many weekends cleaning them - people are paid to do that. But as they weren't I mucked in with the residents.
Brake> You might be misunderstanding. Yes, all resources are prioritised. And that process decided these steps should be cleaned each three weeks. And the Council pays a company (your Council Tax money) to clean the steps each three weeks. And that's not been happening. And yes the alleys were communal but not under Council responsibility. Similar to this situation, if they were Council responsibility I wouldn't have given up so many weekends cleaning them - people are paid to do that. But as they weren't I mucked in with the residents. DaveWood1981

6:32pm Sat 29 Sep 12

Davey Gravey says...

The issue is that council services have become a disgrace acroos the town. Grass cutting,street cleaning-maintaining
, Green was te collecting,etc,etc has all gone downhill. We can thank the cut party for that. Pay the same tax for less service.
The issue is that council services have become a disgrace acroos the town. Grass cutting,street cleaning-maintaining , Green was te collecting,etc,etc has all gone downhill. We can thank the cut party for that. Pay the same tax for less service. Davey Gravey

7:27pm Sat 29 Sep 12

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

@Davey,

I think you mean pay the same get less due to costs constantly rising. That's the hyper inflation (real inflation is much much higher than the published figures suggest) that the previous government presided over and the current government inherited and do nothing about. The thing about inflation is that its good for government debt and essentially devalues it. If you want the same level of service then council tax should rise in line with inflation (excluding what is gained through reducing waste).

@Dave Wood

Are you stating that these steps are explicitly called out in a contract. If yes, then the council should be doing something about it. If the wording is vague then blame the council contract writers.

How is the cleaning of communal alleyways which you state are not the councils responsibility similar to this situation? Unless of course your saying that the steps are communal and therefore not the responsibility of the council. Please clarify.

Incidentally your post about working 6 days clean alleys is a little off hand since their is an implication the council should be clearing them (i.e. you said the council will not clear them)! Politics at its best eh?
@Davey, I think you mean pay the same get less due to costs constantly rising. That's the hyper inflation (real inflation is much much higher than the published figures suggest) that the previous government presided over and the current government inherited and do nothing about. The thing about inflation is that its good for government debt and essentially devalues it. If you want the same level of service then council tax should rise in line with inflation (excluding what is gained through reducing waste). @Dave Wood Are you stating that these steps are explicitly called out in a contract. If yes, then the council should be doing something about it. If the wording is vague then blame the council contract writers. How is the cleaning of communal alleyways which you state are not the councils responsibility similar to this situation? Unless of course your saying that the steps are communal and therefore not the responsibility of the council. Please clarify. Incidentally your post about working 6 days clean alleys is a little off hand since their is an implication the council should be clearing them (i.e. you said the council will not clear them)! Politics at its best eh? LordAshOfTheBrake

7:57pm Sat 29 Sep 12

MrAngry says...

@ DaveWood,

Would I be correct in saying that the company paid to clean the steps is actually Swindon Commercial Services?

SCS are wholly owned by SBC. SCS were made 'arms length', so that SBC can blame their contractor when service is poor rather than admit liability themselves.
@ DaveWood, Would I be correct in saying that the company paid to clean the steps is actually Swindon Commercial Services? SCS are wholly owned by SBC. SCS were made 'arms length', so that SBC can blame their contractor when service is poor rather than admit liability themselves. MrAngry

8:22pm Sat 29 Sep 12

Bobfm , says...

It's annoying how many Council services that have normally been provided as part of our Council Tax are effectively been reduced by stealth. The steps are an example but look around you and you'll see grassed areas infrequently cut and very poorly cut when done, waste and recycling collections regularly missed, street lights not working or with apparently dimmed brightness, countless potholes, graffiti-strewn walls and cable boxes etc etc.
.
We're all paying for this non-action. Why shouldn't we complain? Or expect a rebate. Yet money is found for Wi-fi, R1BW, Tabernacle stones, Canal pipedreams etc.
It's annoying how many Council services that have normally been provided as part of our Council Tax are effectively been reduced by stealth. The steps are an example but look around you and you'll see grassed areas infrequently cut and very poorly cut when done, waste and recycling collections regularly missed, street lights not working or with apparently dimmed brightness, countless potholes, graffiti-strewn walls and cable boxes etc etc. . We're all paying for this non-action. Why shouldn't we complain? Or expect a rebate. Yet money is found for Wi-fi, R1BW, Tabernacle stones, Canal pipedreams etc. Bobfm ,

8:31pm Sat 29 Sep 12

timt1964 says...

"they take their lives in their hands",what an exageration! crossing the roads more dangerous,calm down dear! bet a few steps in eastcott are top of the borough councils spending list...NOT.they couldnt fold their arms because their holding on for dear life,aaggghhh the humanity.
"they take their lives in their hands",what an exageration! crossing the roads more dangerous,calm down dear! bet a few steps in eastcott are top of the borough councils spending list...NOT.they couldnt fold their arms because their holding on for dear life,aaggghhh the humanity. timt1964

8:52pm Sat 29 Sep 12

itsamess3 says...

RichardR1 wrote:
Perhaps they should have brought a couple of brooms and sept the steps whilst the Adver to the photo's.

Time productively spent.
WHAT DRIVEL






Good for the ambulance chasers and compensation culture.
[quote][p][bold]RichardR1[/bold] wrote: Perhaps they should have brought a couple of brooms and sept the steps whilst the Adver to the photo's. Time productively spent.[/p][/quote]WHAT DRIVEL Good for the ambulance chasers and compensation culture. itsamess3

9:46pm Sat 29 Sep 12

house on the hill says...

MrAngry says...
7:57pm Sat 29 Sep 12

@ DaveWood,

Would I be correct in saying that the company paid to clean the steps is actually Swindon Commercial Services?

SCS are wholly owned by SBC. SCS were made 'arms length', so that SBC can blame their contractor when service is poor rather than admit liability themselves.”

I think the reason they were made arms length was so that they could do other contracts and not just for SBC. Maybe that is the problem and they are taking on more than they can cope with in their pusuit of more and more money. I havent come across anyone who rates them very highly anyway.

Valid point by some that if there is a contract why has it not been enforced and got to this stage? Just stop paying the contract, they will soon be round there to clean them if they want paying.
MrAngry says... 7:57pm Sat 29 Sep 12 @ DaveWood, Would I be correct in saying that the company paid to clean the steps is actually Swindon Commercial Services? SCS are wholly owned by SBC. SCS were made 'arms length', so that SBC can blame their contractor when service is poor rather than admit liability themselves.” I think the reason they were made arms length was so that they could do other contracts and not just for SBC. Maybe that is the problem and they are taking on more than they can cope with in their pusuit of more and more money. I havent come across anyone who rates them very highly anyway. Valid point by some that if there is a contract why has it not been enforced and got to this stage? Just stop paying the contract, they will soon be round there to clean them if they want paying. house on the hill

11:11pm Sat 29 Sep 12

the_bored1 says...

Oh the residents of Eastcott have found something else to moan about!
If you think they are too slippery, dont use them! it aint physic science.

I dont think the noise from the stagecoach bus depot has been mentioned for a while!
Oh the residents of Eastcott have found something else to moan about! If you think they are too slippery, dont use them! it aint physic science. I dont think the noise from the stagecoach bus depot has been mentioned for a while! the_bored1

11:50pm Sat 29 Sep 12

Bobfm , says...

the_bored1 wrote:
Oh the residents of Eastcott have found something else to moan about!
If you think they are too slippery, dont use them! it aint physic science.

I dont think the noise from the stagecoach bus depot has been mentioned for a while!
Grow up
[quote][p][bold]the_bored1[/bold] wrote: Oh the residents of Eastcott have found something else to moan about! If you think they are too slippery, dont use them! it aint physic science. I dont think the noise from the stagecoach bus depot has been mentioned for a while![/p][/quote]Grow up Bobfm ,

9:21am Sun 30 Sep 12

RichardR1 says...

A really intelligent post from the resident Nuclear Scientist currently in Vienna, well so he says. If he is he missed the latest Nuclear gathering by 10 days.
A really intelligent post from the resident Nuclear Scientist currently in Vienna, well so he says. If he is he missed the latest Nuclear gathering by 10 days. RichardR1

9:46am Sun 30 Sep 12

1 2 Could B says...

RichardR1 wrote:
A really intelligent post from the resident Nuclear Scientist currently in Vienna, well so he says. If he is he missed the latest Nuclear gathering by 10 days.
Typical Robfm
[quote][p][bold]RichardR1[/bold] wrote: A really intelligent post from the resident Nuclear Scientist currently in Vienna, well so he says. If he is he missed the latest Nuclear gathering by 10 days.[/p][/quote]Typical Robfm 1 2 Could B

10:23am Sun 30 Sep 12

Blackmalkin says...

Nobody has their arms folded in the photo, so I dismiss this as a non-story.
Nobody has their arms folded in the photo, so I dismiss this as a non-story. Blackmalkin

10:35am Sun 30 Sep 12

RichardR1 says...

Typical I Too, Punctured and a host of other names.
Typical I Too, Punctured and a host of other names. RichardR1

12:14pm Sun 30 Sep 12

Davey Gravey says...

RichardR1 wrote:
Typical I Too, Punctured and a host of other names.
Still in denial of your clear identity? A proven liar as these pages show. Your tit for tw@t spat with messy continues.
[quote][p][bold]RichardR1[/bold] wrote: Typical I Too, Punctured and a host of other names.[/p][/quote]Still in denial of your clear identity? A proven liar as these pages show. Your tit for tw@t spat with messy continues. Davey Gravey

7:23pm Sun 30 Sep 12

itsamess3 says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
RichardR1 wrote:
Typical I Too, Punctured and a host of other names.
Still in denial of your clear identity? A proven liar as these pages show. Your tit for tw@t spat with messy continues.
Quite wrong as i rarely post in relation to Robfm--and its not tit for tat as you suggest. Especially in an article about slippery steps. The difficulty being we live in a compensation culture where everyone is looking for a quick buck from the ambulance chasers and costing the country billions yearly instead of using alternative routes if they truly believe a danger exists.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RichardR1[/bold] wrote: Typical I Too, Punctured and a host of other names.[/p][/quote]Still in denial of your clear identity? A proven liar as these pages show. Your tit for tw@t spat with messy continues.[/p][/quote]Quite wrong as i rarely post in relation to Robfm--and its not tit for tat as you suggest. Especially in an article about slippery steps. The difficulty being we live in a compensation culture where everyone is looking for a quick buck from the ambulance chasers and costing the country billions yearly instead of using alternative routes if they truly believe a danger exists. itsamess3

7:31am Mon 1 Oct 12

Wideangle852 says...

. .again another reason why people should take responsibility for their own areas . . my labrador picks up empty drinks bottles everytime I take him for a walk in the morning and at night, so far, since moving house, thats over 300 bottles recycled. Now I can't comment why our youth just drop stuff here there and everywhere but if these steps were on my doorstep, 5 minutes and they would be swept . .so get on out there, take responsibility and clean this up yourself . . Because bet those at SCS surely won't!
. .again another reason why people should take responsibility for their own areas . . my labrador picks up empty drinks bottles everytime I take him for a walk in the morning and at night, so far, since moving house, thats over 300 bottles recycled. Now I can't comment why our youth just drop stuff here there and everywhere but if these steps were on my doorstep, 5 minutes and they would be swept . .so get on out there, take responsibility and clean this up yourself . . Because bet those at SCS surely won't! Wideangle852

10:19am Mon 1 Oct 12

RichardR1 says...

Wideangle852 quite agree using excuses like we could be sued, is just an excuse for no action. It certainly couldn't be made more dangerous than it already is, it would seem.
Wideangle852 quite agree using excuses like we could be sued, is just an excuse for no action. It certainly couldn't be made more dangerous than it already is, it would seem. RichardR1

11:12am Mon 1 Oct 12

Silver Lining says...

Wideangle852 wrote:
. .again another reason why people should take responsibility for their own areas . . my labrador picks up empty drinks bottles everytime I take him for a walk in the morning and at night, so far, since moving house, thats over 300 bottles recycled. Now I can't comment why our youth just drop stuff here there and everywhere but if these steps were on my doorstep, 5 minutes and they would be swept . .so get on out there, take responsibility and clean this up yourself . . Because bet those at SCS surely won't!
Absolutely agree. I clear litter and sweep the pavements and roads outside my own house because of my pride in the area.

I just don't understand the mentality that is appearing in this article where the Kingshill Formation Moaning Team go on about "pedestrians taking their lives in their hands" but would seemingly rather risk people's lives on a point of principle.

Why not do something about it first and then deal with the recriminations and post-mortem about what's gone wrong afterwards.
[quote][p][bold]Wideangle852[/bold] wrote: . .again another reason why people should take responsibility for their own areas . . my labrador picks up empty drinks bottles everytime I take him for a walk in the morning and at night, so far, since moving house, thats over 300 bottles recycled. Now I can't comment why our youth just drop stuff here there and everywhere but if these steps were on my doorstep, 5 minutes and they would be swept . .so get on out there, take responsibility and clean this up yourself . . Because bet those at SCS surely won't![/p][/quote]Absolutely agree. I clear litter and sweep the pavements and roads outside my own house because of my pride in the area. I just don't understand the mentality that is appearing in this article where the Kingshill Formation Moaning Team go on about "pedestrians taking their lives in their hands" but would seemingly rather risk people's lives on a point of principle. Why not do something about it first and then deal with the recriminations and post-mortem about what's gone wrong afterwards. Silver Lining

6:16pm Mon 1 Oct 12

I'm Important says...

RichardR1 wrote:
Perhaps they should have brought a couple of brooms and sept the steps whilst the Adver to the photo's.

Time productively spent.
Much as I usually respect your opinion Mr FM I really have no idea what this statement is all about.
What are you trying to say Bob?
[quote][p][bold]RichardR1[/bold] wrote: Perhaps they should have brought a couple of brooms and sept the steps whilst the Adver to the photo's. Time productively spent.[/p][/quote]Much as I usually respect your opinion Mr FM I really have no idea what this statement is all about. What are you trying to say Bob? I'm Important

8:58pm Mon 1 Oct 12

I'm Important says...

Oh I do apologise Richard.

I really should look before leaping.

I've been abroad for a while, but I remember Robfm opening most threads with slight spelling errors and assumed you were him.

On reflection Bob seems to have completely disappeared from these pages.

Very unusual.

Has anything happened to him?
Is he ill?

Does anybody know?
Oh I do apologise Richard. I really should look before leaping. I've been abroad for a while, but I remember Robfm opening most threads with slight spelling errors and assumed you were him. On reflection Bob seems to have completely disappeared from these pages. Very unusual. Has anything happened to him? Is he ill? Does anybody know? I'm Important

9:55pm Mon 1 Oct 12

itsamess3 says...

RichardR1 wrote:
Wideangle852 quite agree using excuses like we could be sued, is just an excuse for no action. It certainly couldn't be made more dangerous than it already is, it would seem.
The fact they could be sued should be a cause for action-rather than ignoring the situation.
Have you inspected these steps personally to make such a statement as you have made?
[quote][p][bold]RichardR1[/bold] wrote: Wideangle852 quite agree using excuses like we could be sued, is just an excuse for no action. It certainly couldn't be made more dangerous than it already is, it would seem.[/p][/quote]The fact they could be sued should be a cause for action-rather than ignoring the situation. Have you inspected these steps personally to make such a statement as you have made? itsamess3

10:03pm Mon 1 Oct 12

itsamess3 says...

Come to think of it--i feel sure if any accidents have taken place the Adver would have have raised that here.
Come to think of it--i feel sure if any accidents have taken place the Adver would have have raised that here. itsamess3

9:03am Tue 2 Oct 12

RichardR1 says...

Any one can be sued for anything these days, but do we live our lives in a plastic bubble of course not. It's an easy cop out as I said.

Wet leaves on a flat surface can be dangerous on steps that danger will undoubtedly increase. Yes SCS should clean the steps, but they aren't so as these steps are being used by local residents as the shortest route, no doubt with children in tow, why not do it yourself.

As for viewing the steps, no I haven't but one set of leaf covered steps is much like another and I have ascended and descended similar many times.
Any one can be sued for anything these days, but do we live our lives in a plastic bubble of course not. It's an easy cop out as I said. Wet leaves on a flat surface can be dangerous on steps that danger will undoubtedly increase. Yes SCS should clean the steps, but they aren't so as these steps are being used by local residents as the shortest route, no doubt with children in tow, why not do it yourself. As for viewing the steps, no I haven't but one set of leaf covered steps is much like another and I have ascended and descended similar many times. RichardR1

12:54pm Tue 2 Oct 12

1 2 Could B says...

I doubt that very much
I doubt that very much 1 2 Could B

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