Ill wind blows over new turbine policy

This Is Wiltshire: Residents including Andy West, left, who successfully campaigned against wind turbines at Honda. Now they are upset by the council’s future policy Residents including Andy West, left, who successfully campaigned against wind turbines at Honda. Now they are upset by the council’s future policy

WIND turbine campaigners have attacked Swindon Council for not setting down a policy for a minimum separation between turbines and homes.

The move follows an apparent change of direction by the authority in the last few weeks.

In August, Coun Dale Heenan, cabinet member for strategic planning and sustainability, said he would not be surprised if a 1km separation distance was included in the final draft of the local plan.

The plan is the overarching document guiding the town’s development until 2026.

However, members of the Ill Wind group, which campaigned successfully against the Honda wind turbines, were shocked to find the policy contains no minimum distance, but instead relies on the council’s judgment.

The policy says: “Proposals for wind turbines [...] shall be permitted only where there is no unacceptably adverse impact due to noise, shadow flicker, amplitude modulation, reflected light or electronic disturbance on: the built and natural heritage, and/or the amenity of properties, and/or areas important for tourism or recreational use of the countryside. Visual impact shall be minimised through siting, landscaping, design and use of materials.”

It continues: “Large scale wind-turbines (individual or collectively) are unlikely to be supported in close proximity to residential properties, but will be assessed on a site by site basis according to the height of the turbine and local factors such as land-form, orientation, vegetation and other buildings.”

Ill Wind member Nigel Hole, of Stratton, said: “I’m sat here wondering what the point of further consultation is when, with the previous draft of the Core Strategy, the consultation process was totally ignored.

“I went to the council offices to look at the responses. There’s over 2,400 responses and over 800 of these specifically asked for the 2km separation distance between wind turbines and residential housing and that’s not been taken into account with the revised draft.”

Another Ill Wind member, Andy West of Stratton St Margaret, said: “I have no faith in it whatsoever. If you take time to read it you will see it’s not worth the paper it’s written on.”

Coun Heenan said: “Unfortunately, it wasn't possible to include separation distance without risking the whole of the local plan being thrown out by the planning inspector next year as unsound. Everything possible was done to make it happen, and I am pleased that Swindon's new wind turbines policy is among the toughest in the country.”

He said the council had listened to residents’ concerns and the document did provide protection against turbines being sited in “close proximity” to homes.

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11:13am Fri 19 Oct 12

The Real Librarian says...

When the power starts going short in 2015-2016, I hope these grim faced NIMBY's will volunteer to have their power cut first.
When the power starts going short in 2015-2016, I hope these grim faced NIMBY's will volunteer to have their power cut first. The Real Librarian

12:11pm Fri 19 Oct 12

RichardR1 says...

It seems to me the policy far from making life easier for those wishing to erect turbines, it requires them to actively negate local opposition concerns.

All planning decisions should be made on fact, not hysteria.

I agree Librarian it's like those who object to phone masts, surely they should not have mobile devices, the masts after all have to be somewhere to make said devices work.
It seems to me the policy far from making life easier for those wishing to erect turbines, it requires them to actively negate local opposition concerns. All planning decisions should be made on fact, not hysteria. I agree Librarian it's like those who object to phone masts, surely they should not have mobile devices, the masts after all have to be somewhere to make said devices work. RichardR1

12:50pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Felix A says...

This hysteria about wind turbines is totally unwarranted. The planning policy proposed in the Local Plan is totally fair and there is no obligation to set minimum distances between turbines and houses in planning guidance. For once I agree with Dale Heenan - a planning inspector would reject any suggestion to set a minimum distance in a policy.
This hysteria about wind turbines is totally unwarranted. The planning policy proposed in the Local Plan is totally fair and there is no obligation to set minimum distances between turbines and houses in planning guidance. For once I agree with Dale Heenan - a planning inspector would reject any suggestion to set a minimum distance in a policy. Felix A

5:19pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Oliver Dummassie says...

Dale Heenan said the council had listened to residents’ concerns and the document did provide protection against turbines being sited in “close proximity” to homes.

I think 2 kilometre seperation is far to much to ask for
Dale Heenan said the council had listened to residents’ concerns and the document did provide protection against turbines being sited in “close proximity” to homes. I think 2 kilometre seperation is far to much to ask for Oliver Dummassie

9:53am Sat 20 Oct 12

itsamess3 says...

Those with a small garden could build a small HFC generator which would take care of all your electricity bills-and produce pure water for your garden.
Those with a small garden could build a small HFC generator which would take care of all your electricity bills-and produce pure water for your garden. itsamess3

10:02am Sat 20 Oct 12

RichardR1 says...

The 2k is a very important marker for the anti turbine crowd.

Think about, get a set compass's, and stick it any part of a Swindon map, or any other urban area, and see if with a 2k radius you could avoid every single house.

I haven't tried but I suspect not.

There is no science to support this distance merely guile.
The 2k is a very important marker for the anti turbine crowd. Think about, get a set compass's, and stick it any part of a Swindon map, or any other urban area, and see if with a 2k radius you could avoid every single house. I haven't tried but I suspect not. There is no science to support this distance merely guile. RichardR1

10:15am Sat 20 Oct 12

RichardR1 says...

Perhaps Mr Itsamess you would like to give us all a clue as to where to obtain such a remarkable piece of equipment.

Why isn't it mass produced, and why doesn't it feature in the Governments strategy of renewables.

It does seem the solution to all our future electricity needs, with the lights going out in 2015.
Perhaps Mr Itsamess you would like to give us all a clue as to where to obtain such a remarkable piece of equipment. Why isn't it mass produced, and why doesn't it feature in the Governments strategy of renewables. It does seem the solution to all our future electricity needs, with the lights going out in 2015. RichardR1

11:17am Sat 20 Oct 12

itsamess3 says...

RichardR1 wrote:
Perhaps Mr Itsamess you would like to give us all a clue as to where to obtain such a remarkable piece of equipment.

Why isn't it mass produced, and why doesn't it feature in the Governments strategy of renewables.

It does seem the solution to all our future electricity needs, with the lights going out in 2015.
Goodness gracious bobby-you mean you dont know--thats a first.
Try the internet--easy enough to make yourself with a little knowledge.
[quote][p][bold]RichardR1[/bold] wrote: Perhaps Mr Itsamess you would like to give us all a clue as to where to obtain such a remarkable piece of equipment. Why isn't it mass produced, and why doesn't it feature in the Governments strategy of renewables. It does seem the solution to all our future electricity needs, with the lights going out in 2015.[/p][/quote]Goodness gracious bobby-you mean you dont know--thats a first. Try the internet--easy enough to make yourself with a little knowledge. itsamess3

12:03pm Sat 20 Oct 12

RichardR1 says...

It seems unlike you Mr Itsamess3 I do my research, hence I asked a perfectly reasonable question as despite extensive searching their does not appear to be a single manufacturer world wide for use in a domestic environment.

HFC Generators seem to be used as back ups in Commercial Environments, to conventional supply.

I think I am also right in saying that if the grid provides a supply in your area you have to use it, you can't just opt out.
It seems unlike you Mr Itsamess3 I do my research, hence I asked a perfectly reasonable question as despite extensive searching their does not appear to be a single manufacturer world wide for use in a domestic environment. HFC Generators seem to be used as back ups in Commercial Environments, to conventional supply. I think I am also right in saying that if the grid provides a supply in your area you have to use it, you can't just opt out. RichardR1

2:09pm Sat 20 Oct 12

1 2 Could B says...

RichardR1 wrote:
It seems unlike you Mr Itsamess3 I do my research, hence I asked a perfectly reasonable question as despite extensive searching their does not appear to be a single manufacturer world wide for use in a domestic environment.

HFC Generators seem to be used as back ups in Commercial Environments, to conventional supply.

I think I am also right in saying that if the grid provides a supply in your area you have to use it, you can't just opt out.
Personal generators can be fed into the grid.

A "buy and sell" exchange system is already in operation

Do your homework Robfm, before boring everyone with another one of your lengthy, boring, self appraising, bickering sessions
[quote][p][bold]RichardR1[/bold] wrote: It seems unlike you Mr Itsamess3 I do my research, hence I asked a perfectly reasonable question as despite extensive searching their does not appear to be a single manufacturer world wide for use in a domestic environment. HFC Generators seem to be used as back ups in Commercial Environments, to conventional supply. I think I am also right in saying that if the grid provides a supply in your area you have to use it, you can't just opt out.[/p][/quote]Personal generators can be fed into the grid. A "buy and sell" exchange system is already in operation Do your homework Robfm, before boring everyone with another one of your lengthy, boring, self appraising, bickering sessions 1 2 Could B

2:39pm Sat 20 Oct 12

Davey Gravey says...

Ill wind are a bunch of morons. Stick turbines as near to their homes as possible
Ill wind are a bunch of morons. Stick turbines as near to their homes as possible Davey Gravey

5:00pm Sat 20 Oct 12

itsamess3 says...

RichardR1 wrote:
It seems unlike you Mr Itsamess3 I do my research, hence I asked a perfectly reasonable question as despite extensive searching their does not appear to be a single manufacturer world wide for use in a domestic environment.

HFC Generators seem to be used as back ups in Commercial Environments, to conventional supply.

I think I am also right in saying that if the grid provides a supply in your area you have to use it, you can't just opt out.
Bob
I have no need to research as i am regularly updated as to new energy coming on stream.
Because you lack the capability to find available information-blame yourself.
Perhaps you should check your facts on your other claim too.
[quote][p][bold]RichardR1[/bold] wrote: It seems unlike you Mr Itsamess3 I do my research, hence I asked a perfectly reasonable question as despite extensive searching their does not appear to be a single manufacturer world wide for use in a domestic environment. HFC Generators seem to be used as back ups in Commercial Environments, to conventional supply. I think I am also right in saying that if the grid provides a supply in your area you have to use it, you can't just opt out.[/p][/quote]Bob I have no need to research as i am regularly updated as to new energy coming on stream. Because you lack the capability to find available information-blame yourself. Perhaps you should check your facts on your other claim too. itsamess3

9:57am Sun 21 Oct 12

RichardR1 says...

1 2 Could B at what point did I say alternative energy sources couldn't be fed into the grid.

What I said was if the grid exists where you are you have to be connected to it, which is contrary to what Mr Itsamess3 said,

'Those with a small garden could build a small HFC generator which would take care of all your electricity bills-and produce pure water for your garden.'

So once again you divert rather than providing proof of your superior knowledge Mr Itsamess3.
1 2 Could B at what point did I say alternative energy sources couldn't be fed into the grid. What I said was if the grid exists where you are you have to be connected to it, which is contrary to what Mr Itsamess3 said, 'Those with a small garden could build a small HFC generator which would take care of all your electricity bills-and produce pure water for your garden.' So once again you divert rather than providing proof of your superior knowledge Mr Itsamess3. RichardR1

11:28am Sun 21 Oct 12

itsamess3 says...

What I said was if the grid exists where you are you have to be connected to it, which is contrary to what Mr Itsamess3 said,
Only if you plan to sell your electricity to the grid-do check your facts.

"So once again you divert rather than providing proof of your superior knowledge Mr Itsamess3.
For years i have advocated many devices which households can use to generate electricity to power their homes--which consistently rubbish due to your claimed superior knowledge.
That is usually something you pick up on the net which proves nothing and ends in you turning to abuse.
Wind turbines are reliant on mother nature-which is unreliable. I disclosed a small device by a very young man who came forward with a very simple solution which could see giant rotors eliminated--with back up on windless days to produce constant electricity via fuel cell technology.
Same applies to solar power which agan relies on mother nature.
I modified my roof space--had quality solar panels fitted--fitted 4 rotors which are virtually noiseless which power the device that produces the Hydrogen to power the HFC engine all of which have been safety approved.
My system is self regulating and draws the power needed--same as a car--power when needed and in 18 months of operation my outlay has been recovered. I now reap the benefit of free electricity.
All this information is available on my website which only 2 posters on this site have access to as they are the only ones who personally know me. You do not--despite coming up with a variety of claims.
What I said was if the grid exists where you are you have to be connected to it, which is contrary to what Mr Itsamess3 said, Only if you plan to sell your electricity to the grid-do check your facts. "So once again you divert rather than providing proof of your superior knowledge Mr Itsamess3. For years i have advocated many devices which households can use to generate electricity to power their homes--which consistently rubbish due to your claimed superior knowledge. That is usually something you pick up on the net which proves nothing and ends in you turning to abuse. Wind turbines are reliant on mother nature-which is unreliable. I disclosed a small device by a very young man who came forward with a very simple solution which could see giant rotors eliminated--with back up on windless days to produce constant electricity via fuel cell technology. Same applies to solar power which agan relies on mother nature. I modified my roof space--had quality solar panels fitted--fitted 4 rotors which are virtually noiseless which power the device that produces the Hydrogen to power the HFC engine all of which have been safety approved. My system is self regulating and draws the power needed--same as a car--power when needed and in 18 months of operation my outlay has been recovered. I now reap the benefit of free electricity. All this information is available on my website which only 2 posters on this site have access to as they are the only ones who personally know me. You do not--despite coming up with a variety of claims. itsamess3

8:34am Mon 22 Oct 12

RichardR1 says...

So you now have a website that only two people can access. Very clever, why would they wish to, other than they are your former other ID's like Chalmers.

I note your rambling has no relevance to anything I have written.

I also not only does your name not appear on the voters register you are allowed not to be connected to the grid, even though you have previously claimed to live in Old Town, where the grid certainly is.

So this information that you say is widely available on the web is only available on your site. Not a lot of use as an aid to people reducing their carbon footprint is it.

I can see why many think you are a fantasist.
So you now have a website that only two people can access. Very clever, why would they wish to, other than they are your former other ID's like Chalmers. I note your rambling has no relevance to anything I have written. I also not only does your name not appear on the voters register you are allowed not to be connected to the grid, even though you have previously claimed to live in Old Town, where the grid certainly is. So this information that you say is widely available on the web is only available on your site. Not a lot of use as an aid to people reducing their carbon footprint is it. I can see why many think you are a fantasist. RichardR1

11:13am Mon 22 Oct 12

RichardR1 says...

Well is seems Mr Itsamess3 has achieved another first having the only approved HFC for domestic use, well at least according to an expert company in the field.

I asked them several questions and they kindly responded, but this is the most pertinent.

1. Can HFC's be used to replace the supply in a domestic environment where there is a grid supply.

In theory yes, although as this is a new technology there are NO HFC technologies as yet developed or approved for wide scale use in home domestic supply.

And in a follow up email they say the following:

The only fuel cell currently available to provide domestic electricity is from an Australian company, Ceramic Fuel Cell.

Their project is in a very early stage, but a number of units have been installed and are operating successfully so far.

Their product, I believe has recently been made available at £20,000 per unit. It uses natural gas as the feedstock, so you will need to have a mains gas supply available.

This is not a product that we deal with, so I'm afraid you'll have to contact CFC direct CFC direct. Contact details are on their web site.

Thank you for your enquiry, in any event.

Yours sincerely,
Tom Sperrey
Fuel Cell Systems Limited/UPS Systems

Now I'm sure this company will not have the most up to date info as that is only available to Mt Itsmess3 of course.

What is interesting is that our resident expert states he had payback in 18 months, he must uses a huge amount of electricity, not very Green it would seem.
Well is seems Mr Itsamess3 has achieved another first having the only approved HFC for domestic use, well at least according to an expert company in the field. I asked them several questions and they kindly responded, but this is the most pertinent. 1. Can HFC's be used to replace the supply in a domestic environment where there is a grid supply. In theory yes, although as this is a new technology there are NO HFC technologies as yet developed or approved for wide scale use in home domestic supply. And in a follow up email they say the following: The only fuel cell currently available to provide domestic electricity is from an Australian company, Ceramic Fuel Cell. Their project is in a very early stage, but a number of units have been installed and are operating successfully so far. Their product, I believe has recently been made available at £20,000 per unit. It uses natural gas as the feedstock, so you will need to have a mains gas supply available. This is not a product that we deal with, so I'm afraid you'll have to contact CFC direct CFC direct. Contact details are on their web site. Thank you for your enquiry, in any event. Yours sincerely, Tom Sperrey Fuel Cell Systems Limited/UPS Systems Now I'm sure this company will not have the most up to date info as that is only available to Mt Itsmess3 of course. What is interesting is that our resident expert states he had payback in 18 months, he must uses a huge amount of electricity, not very Green it would seem. RichardR1

7:51pm Mon 22 Oct 12

itsamess3 says...

Mr Martinez
As per usual you go out of your way to find some very obscure company who deal in an entirely different market--and reply in a very limited way.
Much to your chagrin--i am heavily involved with green energy companies who take on board and test products that add to the green energy projects.
I have been driving HFC vehicles for 2 years now-and bought off the shelf components to build my own HFC generator and and plant to produce the fuel which is hydrogen. Plans from plans by a wholly owned UK company and my expertise as a scientist allowed me to build a combined system to convert my home to all electric-and share that with others who have successfully completed the registration process to access my personal site.
You must be extremely jealous that you cannot find my site-nor gain access to it.
I do not care what you think as you are simply a very minor annoyance as you do claim a wealth of knowledge--yet fail to produce any substantive proof that you know anything of consequence.
You show your ignorance and lack of knowledge by naming companies that have no connection whatsoever to the particular field of expertise and lack personal knowledge.
Do stop embarassing yourself as you really do not have any knowledge of what you claim-you have to rely on unreliable sources--and turn to abuse when you are proved wrong.
Facts--wind is unreliable--sun is unreliable--but hydrogen is extremely available and easy to harvest--that cannot be disputed--get over it and accept others have far better information than you could ever have.
Mr Martinez As per usual you go out of your way to find some very obscure company who deal in an entirely different market--and reply in a very limited way. Much to your chagrin--i am heavily involved with green energy companies who take on board and test products that add to the green energy projects. I have been driving HFC vehicles for 2 years now-and bought off the shelf components to build my own HFC generator and and plant to produce the fuel which is hydrogen. Plans from plans by a wholly owned UK company and my expertise as a scientist allowed me to build a combined system to convert my home to all electric-and share that with others who have successfully completed the registration process to access my personal site. You must be extremely jealous that you cannot find my site-nor gain access to it. I do not care what you think as you are simply a very minor annoyance as you do claim a wealth of knowledge--yet fail to produce any substantive proof that you know anything of consequence. You show your ignorance and lack of knowledge by naming companies that have no connection whatsoever to the particular field of expertise and lack personal knowledge. Do stop embarassing yourself as you really do not have any knowledge of what you claim-you have to rely on unreliable sources--and turn to abuse when you are proved wrong. Facts--wind is unreliable--sun is unreliable--but hydrogen is extremely available and easy to harvest--that cannot be disputed--get over it and accept others have far better information than you could ever have. itsamess3

10:38pm Mon 22 Oct 12

Phantom Poster says...

itsamess3 wrote:
What I said was if the grid exists where you are you have to be connected to it, which is contrary to what Mr Itsamess3 said,
Only if you plan to sell your electricity to the grid-do check your facts.

"So once again you divert rather than providing proof of your superior knowledge Mr Itsamess3.
For years i have advocated many devices which households can use to generate electricity to power their homes--which consistently rubbish due to your claimed superior knowledge.
That is usually something you pick up on the net which proves nothing and ends in you turning to abuse.
Wind turbines are reliant on mother nature-which is unreliable. I disclosed a small device by a very young man who came forward with a very simple solution which could see giant rotors eliminated--with back up on windless days to produce constant electricity via fuel cell technology.
Same applies to solar power which agan relies on mother nature.
I modified my roof space--had quality solar panels fitted--fitted 4 rotors which are virtually noiseless which power the device that produces the Hydrogen to power the HFC engine all of which have been safety approved.
My system is self regulating and draws the power needed--same as a car--power when needed and in 18 months of operation my outlay has been recovered. I now reap the benefit of free electricity.
All this information is available on my website which only 2 posters on this site have access to as they are the only ones who personally know me. You do not--despite coming up with a variety of claims.
You say...

"All this information is available on my website which only 2 posters on this site have access to as they are the only ones who personally know me."

So you've got a website which only 2 people have access to!!! You really crack me up!

In case you don't realise, people on here are laughing at you, not with you!
[quote][p][bold]itsamess3[/bold] wrote: What I said was if the grid exists where you are you have to be connected to it, which is contrary to what Mr Itsamess3 said, Only if you plan to sell your electricity to the grid-do check your facts. "So once again you divert rather than providing proof of your superior knowledge Mr Itsamess3. For years i have advocated many devices which households can use to generate electricity to power their homes--which consistently rubbish due to your claimed superior knowledge. That is usually something you pick up on the net which proves nothing and ends in you turning to abuse. Wind turbines are reliant on mother nature-which is unreliable. I disclosed a small device by a very young man who came forward with a very simple solution which could see giant rotors eliminated--with back up on windless days to produce constant electricity via fuel cell technology. Same applies to solar power which agan relies on mother nature. I modified my roof space--had quality solar panels fitted--fitted 4 rotors which are virtually noiseless which power the device that produces the Hydrogen to power the HFC engine all of which have been safety approved. My system is self regulating and draws the power needed--same as a car--power when needed and in 18 months of operation my outlay has been recovered. I now reap the benefit of free electricity. All this information is available on my website which only 2 posters on this site have access to as they are the only ones who personally know me. You do not--despite coming up with a variety of claims.[/p][/quote]You say... "All this information is available on my website which only 2 posters on this site have access to as they are the only ones who personally know me." So you've got a website which only 2 people have access to!!! You really crack me up! In case you don't realise, people on here are laughing at you, not with you! Phantom Poster

7:52am Tue 23 Oct 12

itsamess3 says...

P.P.
Your personal attacks are plain boring and so sad that you cannot quote my actual words--but then-that is to be expected.
ONLY 2 POSTERS ON THIS SITE.
P.P. Your personal attacks are plain boring and so sad that you cannot quote my actual words--but then-that is to be expected. ONLY 2 POSTERS ON THIS SITE. itsamess3

10:20am Tue 23 Oct 12

RichardR1 says...

Good heavens so UPS, is a tiny obscure outfit. You really are a past master at stupidity.

The UK’s leading manufacturer-indepen
dent supplier of standby power solutions.

As for your fantasy website, why would I be jealous, if it existed no matter how you would wish it not so it would show up in a google search using simple keywords.
Good heavens so UPS, is a tiny obscure outfit. You really are a past master at stupidity. The UK’s leading manufacturer-indepen dent supplier of standby power solutions. As for your fantasy website, why would I be jealous, if it existed no matter how you would wish it not so it would show up in a google search using simple keywords. RichardR1

6:10pm Tue 23 Oct 12

itsamess3 says...

Bob
UPS is not a manufacturer--it is a device. It prevents spiking in computer systems until standby power systems start up.
So much for your 'key words' as you seem to think you are a genius at googling up.
Do tell us all how you would google up a site--or indeed access it if it is a closed site in my name where only known scientists and persons with green credentials can discuss online or on a forum the latest information.
To start with--you do not know my name.
As i have explained at great length-the hydrogen fuel cell technology has advanced rapidly--so has wind turbines and solar panels-and glass that can produce electric and a host of other products.
I have also explained how a very young man built and demonstrated a rotor that could drive a generator to produce power-a wind turbine without massive rotors. Modern technology has made these silent and when mounted in a roof in a particular way will produce good electrical power.
Initially the outlay is minimal and when the property if fitted with wind/solar and HFC engine power the property is self sufficient as to all power needed.
Fact is--if you can generate enough electricity for your own needs-you do not need a supplier-thus you do not need a supply from a provider and you are not obliged to connect to the grid. There are laws that govern certain aspects and safety-and i have conformed to all these.
Much as you try to present yourself as a person of great knowledge-you fail as you clearly lack skills in any area--including running a pub.
Ill Wind will be hard pressed to argue about the new breed wind turbines as they incorporate new technology that eliminates the problems.
Bob UPS is not a manufacturer--it is a device. It prevents spiking in computer systems until standby power systems start up. So much for your 'key words' as you seem to think you are a genius at googling up. Do tell us all how you would google up a site--or indeed access it if it is a closed site in my name where only known scientists and persons with green credentials can discuss online or on a forum the latest information. To start with--you do not know my name. As i have explained at great length-the hydrogen fuel cell technology has advanced rapidly--so has wind turbines and solar panels-and glass that can produce electric and a host of other products. I have also explained how a very young man built and demonstrated a rotor that could drive a generator to produce power-a wind turbine without massive rotors. Modern technology has made these silent and when mounted in a roof in a particular way will produce good electrical power. Initially the outlay is minimal and when the property if fitted with wind/solar and HFC engine power the property is self sufficient as to all power needed. Fact is--if you can generate enough electricity for your own needs-you do not need a supplier-thus you do not need a supply from a provider and you are not obliged to connect to the grid. There are laws that govern certain aspects and safety-and i have conformed to all these. Much as you try to present yourself as a person of great knowledge-you fail as you clearly lack skills in any area--including running a pub. Ill Wind will be hard pressed to argue about the new breed wind turbines as they incorporate new technology that eliminates the problems. itsamess3

7:24pm Tue 23 Oct 12

RichardR1 says...

Heavens above, you are sure in fool mode aren't you UPS means Uninterruptible Power Supply. The biggest UK company company that manufactures them are called UPS SYSTEMS PLC
http://www.upssystem
s.co.uk/ they have additional companies that specialise in HFC generation amongst other things.

Just give it a rest.
Heavens above, you are sure in fool mode aren't you UPS means Uninterruptible Power Supply. The biggest UK company company that manufactures them are called UPS SYSTEMS PLC http://www.upssystem s.co.uk/ they have additional companies that specialise in HFC generation amongst other things. Just give it a rest. RichardR1

7:36pm Tue 23 Oct 12

RichardR1 says...

UPS Systems implemented the UK’s first fuel cell-based Standby Power system supporting IT infrastructures at our offices in Hungerford in 2006.

We have more experience of implementing hydrogen fuel cells for Standby Power applications than any other organisation in the UK. Our skills are in sizing your initial requirement, designing the most appropriate solution (fuel cell, fuel storage and matched UPS), then taking responsibility for the planning, installation and support of the eventual solution.

Seems pretty conclusive to me.
UPS Systems implemented the UK’s first fuel cell-based Standby Power system supporting IT infrastructures at our offices in Hungerford in 2006. We have more experience of implementing hydrogen fuel cells for Standby Power applications than any other organisation in the UK. Our skills are in sizing your initial requirement, designing the most appropriate solution (fuel cell, fuel storage and matched UPS), then taking responsibility for the planning, installation and support of the eventual solution. Seems pretty conclusive to me. RichardR1

1:41am Wed 24 Oct 12

itsamess3 says...

RichardR1 wrote:
UPS Systems implemented the UK’s first fuel cell-based Standby Power system supporting IT infrastructures at our offices in Hungerford in 2006.

We have more experience of implementing hydrogen fuel cells for Standby Power applications than any other organisation in the UK. Our skills are in sizing your initial requirement, designing the most appropriate solution (fuel cell, fuel storage and matched UPS), then taking responsibility for the planning, installation and support of the eventual solution.

Seems pretty conclusive to me.
Seems pretty conclusive to you eh!
The big company in Hungerford.
Got some bad news for you then buddy-take a look at their online shop--their highest powered HFC product is a BOC manufactured generator that produces-wait for it--a massive 200w and uses bottled hydrogen.
Perhaps you should have looked at the DTI grants site as they have been handing out grants for a plethora of HFC products.
As i originally set out-i have used both wind and solar to produce electricity and use that to produce the fuel for my HFC generator. Quiet and efficient--all on my website--go on use your famous keywords to find it.
[quote][p][bold]RichardR1[/bold] wrote: UPS Systems implemented the UK’s first fuel cell-based Standby Power system supporting IT infrastructures at our offices in Hungerford in 2006. We have more experience of implementing hydrogen fuel cells for Standby Power applications than any other organisation in the UK. Our skills are in sizing your initial requirement, designing the most appropriate solution (fuel cell, fuel storage and matched UPS), then taking responsibility for the planning, installation and support of the eventual solution. Seems pretty conclusive to me.[/p][/quote]Seems pretty conclusive to you eh! The big company in Hungerford. Got some bad news for you then buddy-take a look at their online shop--their highest powered HFC product is a BOC manufactured generator that produces-wait for it--a massive 200w and uses bottled hydrogen. Perhaps you should have looked at the DTI grants site as they have been handing out grants for a plethora of HFC products. As i originally set out-i have used both wind and solar to produce electricity and use that to produce the fuel for my HFC generator. Quiet and efficient--all on my website--go on use your famous keywords to find it. itsamess3

8:01am Wed 24 Oct 12

RichardR1 says...

You just can't help yourself can you by shutting up.

'Hybrid Prime power
UPS Systems has installed a fuel cell
within the Renewable Hydrogen
Research and Demonstration Centre
at Baglan Energy Park, South Wales.
Initiated with EU funding, the new centre
has long-term funding guaranteed by
the University of Glamorgan.

So tiny company.

They also install systems up to 400kw, working in collaboration with other companies including BOC. The Welsh system is 10kw.

Once again your grasp of the truth is sadly lacking.

So once again you are wrong
You just can't help yourself can you by shutting up. 'Hybrid Prime power UPS Systems has installed a fuel cell within the Renewable Hydrogen Research and Demonstration Centre at Baglan Energy Park, South Wales. Initiated with EU funding, the new centre has long-term funding guaranteed by the University of Glamorgan. So tiny company. They also install systems up to 400kw, working in collaboration with other companies including BOC. The Welsh system is 10kw. Once again your grasp of the truth is sadly lacking. So once again you are wrong RichardR1

8:03am Wed 24 Oct 12

RichardR1 says...

Oh forgot the link so others can see you are kite flying again:

http://www.upssystem
s.co.uk/wp-content/u
ploads/2011/08/CD448
8-UPS-Fuel-Cells-Bro
chure.pdf
Oh forgot the link so others can see you are kite flying again: http://www.upssystem s.co.uk/wp-content/u ploads/2011/08/CD448 8-UPS-Fuel-Cells-Bro chure.pdf RichardR1

11:06am Wed 24 Oct 12

itsamess3 says...

It is very clear that you do not understand this technology--and confusing yourself as to what collaboration means.
You will find that UPS only provided-as you claim-a fuel cell of very low power to safeguard the computer system in the case of interupted electricity supply.Solar panels have advanced rapidly and have come down in price. So have wind turbines through overcoming various problems.
Hydrogen Fuel Cell engined vehicles are being rolled out by all the major manufacturers-Hyunda
i being the first by leasing out a batch in Denmark-others following next year.
Have a nice day as there is nothing more to say--take your own advice.
It is very clear that you do not understand this technology--and confusing yourself as to what collaboration means. You will find that UPS only provided-as you claim-a fuel cell of very low power to safeguard the computer system in the case of interupted electricity supply.Solar panels have advanced rapidly and have come down in price. So have wind turbines through overcoming various problems. Hydrogen Fuel Cell engined vehicles are being rolled out by all the major manufacturers-Hyunda i being the first by leasing out a batch in Denmark-others following next year. Have a nice day as there is nothing more to say--take your own advice. itsamess3

7:50pm Wed 24 Oct 12

RichardR1 says...

200w v 400kw give it up. Every HFC has to have a source energy.
200w v 400kw give it up. Every HFC has to have a source energy. RichardR1

6:00am Thu 25 Oct 12

itsamess3 says...

Not bright are you?
Wind generation-FREE and green.
Solar energy-FREE-and green.
Average 20% of electricity used to produce Hydrogen.
Hydrogen Fuel Cell engine powers generator-self regulates for house needs.
Bye-product H20.
Not bright are you!
Not bright are you? Wind generation-FREE and green. Solar energy-FREE-and green. Average 20% of electricity used to produce Hydrogen. Hydrogen Fuel Cell engine powers generator-self regulates for house needs. Bye-product H20. Not bright are you! itsamess3

9:27am Thu 25 Oct 12

RichardR1 says...

It seems you are not the bright one, Wind and Solar are energy sources.

The costs recoverable in 18 months is highly unlikely unless you use a huge about of electricity.
It seems you are not the bright one, Wind and Solar are energy sources. The costs recoverable in 18 months is highly unlikely unless you use a huge about of electricity. RichardR1

12:04pm Thu 25 Oct 12

georgieporgy says...

The Real Librarian wrote:
When the power starts going short in 2015-2016, I hope these grim faced NIMBY's will volunteer to have their power cut first.
To: The Real Librarian:

I suggest that you read a little more before you write:

A good start is the National Grid metering site:

http://www.gridwatch
.templar.co.uk/

Then observe the outputs of wind turbines over the past year and you will notice that over the months of December, January and February when the National Electricity demand is at its highest, there are times when there is NO WIND OUTPUT. So what generators then will provide security of the electricity supply??? Clearl;y not wind-turbines!!!

So your statement about "when the power goes short will we NIMBY'S volunteer to have our power cuts first is irrelevant!!!.

However, what we NIAMBY'S say is simply we dont want any more wind-turbines because we want to 'keep the lights ON' with gas turbines at one-third of the price!!!.
[quote][p][bold]The Real Librarian[/bold] wrote: When the power starts going short in 2015-2016, I hope these grim faced NIMBY's will volunteer to have their power cut first.[/p][/quote]To: The Real Librarian: I suggest that you read a little more before you write: A good start is the National Grid metering site: http://www.gridwatch .templar.co.uk/ Then observe the outputs of wind turbines over the past year and you will notice that over the months of December, January and February when the National Electricity demand is at its highest, there are times when there is NO WIND OUTPUT. So what generators then will provide security of the electricity supply??? Clearl;y not wind-turbines!!! So your statement about "when the power goes short will we NIMBY'S volunteer to have our power cuts first is irrelevant!!!. However, what we NIAMBY'S say is simply we dont want any more wind-turbines because we want to 'keep the lights ON' with gas turbines at one-third of the price!!!. georgieporgy

5:11pm Thu 25 Oct 12

itsamess3 says...

georgyporgy
In many places--wind turbines will never be efficient as the geography for some sites is not favourable-however new generation designs have overcome the prevailing problems.
However if you believe gas turbines will prove cheaper-you are in for a rude awakening. Besides the fact they exceed the CO2 emissions and could be penalised.
georgyporgy In many places--wind turbines will never be efficient as the geography for some sites is not favourable-however new generation designs have overcome the prevailing problems. However if you believe gas turbines will prove cheaper-you are in for a rude awakening. Besides the fact they exceed the CO2 emissions and could be penalised. itsamess3

9:29am Fri 26 Oct 12

RichardR1 says...

Seems another 60,000 solar panels are going to be erected on farmland off Highworth Road, South Marston, guess who the recipient of the power will be?
Seems another 60,000 solar panels are going to be erected on farmland off Highworth Road, South Marston, guess who the recipient of the power will be? RichardR1

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