PC Conway Duncan and PCSO Vicky Packford outside Penhill Library
POLICE plan to establish a permanent base at Penhill Library after staff were besieged by abusive youths as young as 10.
Nearly a dozen young boys and girls have been banned from the library in the last four months for intimidating and abusing staff.
And Swindon council says it has been forced to make security guards available on call to vulnerable librarians throughout the town.
Eleven children aged between 10 and 15, six of whom are girls, have been barred from using Penhill Library after intimidating staff.
Five girls aren't allowed to enter the library for a year while another has been barred for three months.
Four boys, including one as young as 10, have been suspended for a year with another being banned for three months.
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Assaults on library workers in the town have contributed to a number of Anti-Social Behaviour Orders being issued.
Swindon Council's group library manager, Shaun Smith, said: "Staff have been threatened and have difficult things to deal with.
"In the past few months there have been incidents involving youths where the police had to be called.
"We had one major incident where a big fight kicked off and we had to call the police.
"It is a very difficult problem and we are trying to help our staff overcome it."
Youngsters mostly visit Swindon's libraries to use its 142 computers for free.
Mr Smith said: "The staff felt it wasn't their job to deal with people who get aggressive - they are only expected to ask them to leave.
"The library has suffered in Penhill as it is often the only place open - the kids come in to use the computers and they kick off. We are doing what we can to stop it happening."
He said that Penhill isn't the only affected library as it is a widespread problem. Youths spill out from the library into the John Moulton Hall, which houses it.
Coun David Glaholm (Lab, Penhill) said: "We've been making sure there is a presence in the building when the library is open. The police and the local community have been coming together.
"But these youths need somewhere to go."
The council's library electronic service manager, Marion Stevens, said: "All our libraries have to cope with abuse week in and week out. It is a huge issue and staff are stressed by it.
"The computers attract kids that wouldn't normally come in. By barring them from the computers, it takes away the reason for them to come in."
PC Conway Duncan, the community beat manager for Penhill, said: "We have been working very closely with the library. They have been informing me of the names and I have made a few interventions.
"The Neighbourhood Policing Team (NPT) has an anti-social behaviour database and their names have been going on there and letters have been sent out.
He said children face Asbos and acceptable behaviour contracts if they continue to act up.
"The letters have gone to a few that take heed but we have got others that need a visit to take notice," he said.
"This behaviour is not to be tolerated because it's not fair on the residents in the area and people using these facilities."
You see, there are some people that you try and help but they just refuse to be helped.
Council house people don't even deserve these facilities if they can't keep their vermin little children from destroying them.
You see, there are some people that you try and help but they just refuse to be helped.
Council house people don't even deserve these facilities if they can't keep their vermin little children from destroying them.
I no its ruining it for everyone else but why not just take the pc's out of the smaller librarys like penhill etc and just have them in the bigger one town centre, west swindon etc.
Its a great facility & would be a shame to lose but if it attracts trouble why bother, these kids wouldnt go to the librarys if it wasnt for the pc's as i doubt many of them would be into reading or can even read!! I live in penhill & feel sorry for the staff no one shold have to put up with abuse at work like that...
I no its ruining it for everyone else but why not just take the pc's out of the smaller librarys like penhill etc and just have them in the bigger one town centre, west swindon etc.
Its a great facility & would be a shame to lose but if it attracts trouble why bother, these kids wouldnt go to the librarys if it wasnt for the pc's as i doubt many of them would be into reading or can even read!! I live in penhill & feel sorry for the staff no one shold have to put up with abuse at work like that...
Posted by: mush1234, swindon on 10:01am Mon 30 Apr 07
If these little scum bags have been banned from the libary they must know who they are,why arnt they and there parents being punished,plolice shouldnt have to waste there time with these little vermin the only time they should be used is when they are processing them for a night in the cells.And if all else fails lets knocked the libary the shops and the pub down cause they are rotton and encourage peolple to use the swindon libary which is quite a nice place to go.
If these little scum bags have been banned from the libary they must know who they are,why arnt they and there parents being punished,plolice shouldnt have to waste there time with these little vermin the only time they should be used is when they are processing them for a night in the cells.And if all else fails lets knocked the libary the shops and the pub down cause they are rotton and encourage peolple to use the swindon libary which is quite a nice place to go.
Posted by: Voice of Reason, Town on 10:22am Mon 30 Apr 07
Morning mush1234 I agree with some of whats been said such as no one should have to put with this kind of abuse. But can I just say to The Truth calling people Council House People and saying they dont deserve these things what era do you come from. A lot of people who live on council estates actually own there own homes you muppet. As has been said already if you know there names why does the council not start eviction precidings against the parents that would shock the life out of them...
Morning mush1234 I agree with some of whats been said such as no one should have to put with this kind of abuse. But can I just say to The Truth calling people Council House People and saying they dont deserve these things what era do you come from. A lot of people who live on council estates actually own there own homes you muppet. As has been said already if you know there names why does the council not start eviction precidings against the parents that would shock the life out of them...
Posted by: mush1234, swindon on 10:28am Mon 30 Apr 07
i never mentioned council house people, and i didnt say they didnt deserve these facilities i said knocked them down cause they are rotten.read the post you muppet
i never mentioned council house people, and i didnt say they didnt deserve these facilities i said knocked them down cause they are rotten.read the post you muppet
[quote]Council House People[/quote]
And what do you propose I should call [bold]people[/bold] who live in [bold]council houses[/bold]?
I do agree with your other point though - until the police/society starts prosecuting and punishing parents for their offspring's behaviour, nothing will change.
Council House People
And what do you propose I should call people who live in council houses?
I do agree with your other point though - until the police/society starts prosecuting and punishing parents for their offspring's behaviour, nothing will change.
[quote]Council House People[/quote]
What do you propose I should call [bold]people[/bold] who live in [bold]council houses[/bold] then?
I agree with your other point though - until the police/society starts prosecuting and punishing parents for their offspring's behaviour, nothing will change.
Council House People
What do you propose I should call people who live in council houses then?
I agree with your other point though - until the police/society starts prosecuting and punishing parents for their offspring's behaviour, nothing will change.
Posted by: Voice of Reason, Town on 10:38am Mon 30 Apr 07
Mush the Muppet alsp read mine I said I was answering the person calling themselves The Truth not you I agree witn what you are saying to some extent I saw the difference in Cavendish Square when they closed the Pub there many of the idiots moved away it was a nightmare before that. So mush please re-read my comments and read them properly who is the muppet now
Mush the Muppet alsp read mine I said I was answering the person calling themselves The Truth not you I agree witn what you are saying to some extent I saw the difference in Cavendish Square when they closed the Pub there many of the idiots moved away it was a nightmare before that. So mush please re-read my comments and read them properly who is the muppet now
[quote][bold]mush1234[/bold] wrote:
i never mentioned council house people, and i didnt say they didnt deserve these facilities i said knocked them down cause they are rotten.read the post you muppet[/quote] "Mush1234" if you were paying attention to what "Voice of Reason" wrote, you'd realize that the council house reference was pointed at "The Truth" not you. As for the kids, we have that same problem over here in Australia, except it's a group of 30-40 brats, roaming the streets and causing mayhem in and around the supermarket I work in. The prime cause of it all is a lack of strict discipline from parents through to teachers and society, because we don't want child abuse do we? No, we'd rather have a dysfunctional generation instead.
mush1234 wrote:
i never mentioned council house people, and i didnt say they didnt deserve these facilities i said knocked them down cause they are rotten.read the post you muppet
"Mush1234" if you were paying attention to what "Voice of Reason" wrote, you'd realize that the council house reference was pointed at "The Truth" not you. As for the kids, we have that same problem over here in Australia, except it's a group of 30-40 brats, roaming the streets and causing mayhem in and around the supermarket I work in. The prime cause of it all is a lack of strict discipline from parents through to teachers and society, because we don't want child abuse do we? No, we'd rather have a dysfunctional generation instead.
Posted by: Voice of Reason, Town on 10:43am Mon 30 Apr 07
I just hate when people say its because they live on a council estate its like saying everyone is the same and ther not, on most council estates its the minority that ruin if for the rest. As I said before if the kids are being anti social and you know who they are then take away ther home as they have no right to mix with decent people. These parent need to learn either control your kids or better still stop breeding altogether of suffer the penalty and be evicted.
I just hate when people say its because they live on a council estate its like saying everyone is the same and ther not, on most council estates its the minority that ruin if for the rest. As I said before if the kids are being anti social and you know who they are then take away ther home as they have no right to mix with decent people. These parent need to learn either control your kids or better still stop breeding altogether of suffer the penalty and be evicted.
Posted by: Arbitrator, Swindon on 10:46am Mon 30 Apr 07
It really infuriates me when people (such as The Truth) assume that families who live on 'council estates' or in 'council houses', are the dregs of the earth, without discipline and morals. I live in an area where there are equal numbers of private and council dwellings and [bold]the trouble comes equally from both areas[/bold] .
It really infuriates me when people (such as The Truth) assume that families who live on 'council estates' or in 'council houses', are the dregs of the earth, without discipline and morals. I live in an area where there are equal numbers of private and council dwellings and the trouble comes equally from both areas .
Posted by: Voice of Reason, Town on 11:02am Mon 30 Apr 07
I totally agree Arbitrator I live in Park South I have neighbours one side who like me own our homes and on the other a its a council house family who take just as much pride in there house and garden and bringing up there kids as the rest of us if not more so. It comes down to a few little s##ts ruinning what are mostly really nice places for the rest of us which is why I say the answer is simple remove the family you have removed the problem.If they own there own home there must still be a way to punish them through the courts
I totally agree Arbitrator I live in Park South I have neighbours one side who like me own our homes and on the other a its a council house family who take just as much pride in there house and garden and bringing up there kids as the rest of us if not more so. It comes down to a few little s##ts ruinning what are mostly really nice places for the rest of us which is why I say the answer is simple remove the family you have removed the problem.If they own there own home there must still be a way to punish them through the courts
I don't think all council house people are scum, far from it.
However, in this instance you have to agree that it's council house people's children in Penhill that are behaving badly and ruining the facilities and opportunities that the rest of us are all helping to pay for for them to try and improve themselves.
The fact is that they'd rather smash the place up and run riot than appreciate and take advantage of the opportunities offered to them.
As far as I'm aware, there aren't many (any?) private houses in Penhill, it's all council housing or ex-council housing bought for pennies.
I don't think all council house people are scum, far from it.
However, in this instance you have to agree that it's council house people's children in Penhill that are behaving badly and ruining the facilities and opportunities that the rest of us are all helping to pay for for them to try and improve themselves.
The fact is that they'd rather smash the place up and run riot than appreciate and take advantage of the opportunities offered to them.
As far as I'm aware, there aren't many (any?) private houses in Penhill, it's all council housing or ex-council housing bought for pennies.
Posted by: Voice of Reason, Town on 11:25am Mon 30 Apr 07
Again I have to disagree its not always kids from council houses do you not think they have friend who live in areas like Stratton that they meet up with who also join in. Or do all the children from places like that behave and never indilge in that kind of thing take your blinkers off it kids from every walk off llife some with poor parents and no doubt some with rich mummies and daddies wake up and smell the coffe
Again I have to disagree its not always kids from council houses do you not think they have friend who live in areas like Stratton that they meet up with who also join in. Or do all the children from places like that behave and never indilge in that kind of thing take your blinkers off it kids from every walk off llife some with poor parents and no doubt some with rich mummies and daddies wake up and smell the coffe
No, of course I don't think non-council house kids are all blameless but it does seem that this town has a very big problem with children who live in and come from council house estates.
The evidence is staring you in the face virtually everytime you open The Adver.
It's no good guessing (hoping?) that other kids may be involved in this behaviour.
No, of course I don't think non-council house kids are all blameless but it does seem that this town has a very big problem with children who live in and come from council house estates.
The evidence is staring you in the face virtually everytime you open The Adver.
It's no good guessing (hoping?) that other kids may be involved in this behaviour.
Posted by: Voice of Reason, Town on 11:54am Mon 30 Apr 07
So if you line in the Parks and there is trouble in the Parks then it must be kids from the Parks...BULL I come from Manchester and we have an old saying, you dont s##t on your doorstep. I other words if your gonna cause trouble do it in someone else's area. Dont tell me kids from Lawn and Nythe and Stratton etc are all angels there not they are just better liars or mummsy and daddy pay off the fines and keep it all hush hush.
So if you line in the Parks and there is trouble in the Parks then it must be kids from the Parks...BULL I come from Manchester and we have an old saying, you dont s##t on your doorstep. I other words if your gonna cause trouble do it in someone else's area. Dont tell me kids from Lawn and Nythe and Stratton etc are all angels there not they are just better liars or mummsy and daddy pay off the fines and keep it all hush hush.
[quote]we have an old saying, you dont s##t on your doorstep[/quote]
You're showing your age now. Kids today don't think about such common sense ideas.
[quote]mummsy and daddy pay off the fines and keep it all hush hush[/quote]
What planet do you live on? You are joking, right? Do you [italic]actually[/italic] think that happens?
You really do hate people with money don't you?
we have an old saying, you dont s##t on your doorstep
You're showing your age now. Kids today don't think about such common sense ideas.
mummsy and daddy pay off the fines and keep it all hush hush
What planet do you live on? You are joking, right? Do you actually think that happens?
Posted by: Voice of Reason, Town on 12:09pm Mon 30 Apr 07
No I did not type that last mail as per usual some prat with nothing better to do or ther own opinion has joined in. No I dont hate rich people at all I hate people who blame poor kids rather than maybe there own who always say its obvious its council house kids why is it. Fact worse users of soft drugs is rich kids why because they get what they want and can do what they want like trash things and blame anyone but them selves I say its kids alike from all areas all backgrounds.
No I did not type that last mail as per usual some prat with nothing better to do or ther own opinion has joined in. No I dont hate rich people at all I hate people who blame poor kids rather than maybe there own who always say its obvious its council house kids why is it. Fact worse users of soft drugs is rich kids why because they get what they want and can do what they want like trash things and blame anyone but them selves I say its kids alike from all areas all backgrounds.
Posted by: Voice of Reason, Town on 12:15pm Mon 30 Apr 07
[quote][bold]Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote:
Once again some cretin has decided to use my handle to clog up this thread with nonsense. I've had enough - I'm logging off now.[/quote] I didn't write that either!
Voice of Reason wrote:
Once again some cretin has decided to use my handle to clog up this thread with nonsense. I've had enough - I'm logging off now.
Posted by: Peeved, Swindon on 12:40pm Mon 30 Apr 07
Can somebody please explain to me how Cllr Glaholm has any right to discuss the ongoing situation in Penhill when as far as I'm aware he hasn't lived in the area for years. Surely a LOCAL councellor should be LOCAL!
Can somebody please explain to me how Cllr Glaholm has any right to discuss the ongoing situation in Penhill when as far as I'm aware he hasn't lived in the area for years. Surely a LOCAL councellor should be LOCAL!
Posted by: mush1234, swindon on 1:00pm Mon 30 Apr 07
Peeved,that is a good point,i think he went to the kebab van on cricklade road once and saw the sign for penhill he didnt actually risk going in there.
Peeved,that is a good point,i think he went to the kebab van on cricklade road once and saw the sign for penhill he didnt actually risk going in there.
Posted by: mush1234, swindon on 1:00pm Mon 30 Apr 07
Peeved,that is a good point,i think he went to the kebab van on cricklade road once and saw the sign for penhill he didnt actually risk going in there.
Peeved,that is a good point,i think he went to the kebab van on cricklade road once and saw the sign for penhill he didnt actually risk going in there.
Posted by: Voice of Reason, Town on 1:42pm Mon 30 Apr 07
I am the real Voice of Reason. There are at least two other people who are masquerading as me, and it really is quite silly.
Five will get you ten that the fool who keeps mentioning Gumbo will be on this thread in a minute. [S&H] And thats the best part.
I am the real Voice of Reason. There are at least two other people who are masquerading as me, and it really is quite silly.
Five will get you ten that the fool who keeps mentioning Gumbo will be on this thread in a minute. And thats the best part.
in response for "the truth is on" you bigoted narrow minded pratt, i find your comments about council house tennants highly offensive and incorrect. while i agree that we do deserve better and these things should not happen they do! i am a council tennent and have been for more years that i care to remember and i find it offensive that you put myself and my family in the same catagory as these people, i work very hard for my living and i pay my rent on time and i am also in advance with my council tax what about you or a re you too busy scrounging of the state, your comments belong in the same place as you do in the dark ages what is it with you that you think you can come onto this site as cast asspursions on decent people,you need to open your eyes to the real world and see that many people that uyou are slagging off are decent law abiding people.
in response for "the truth is on" you bigoted narrow minded pratt, i find your comments about council house tennants highly offensive and incorrect. while i agree that we do deserve better and these things should not happen they do! i am a council tennent and have been for more years that i care to remember and i find it offensive that you put myself and my family in the same catagory as these people, i work very hard for my living and i pay my rent on time and i am also in advance with my council tax what about you or a re you too busy scrounging of the state, your comments belong in the same place as you do in the dark ages what is it with you that you think you can come onto this site as cast asspursions on decent people,you need to open your eyes to the real world and see that many people that uyou are slagging off are decent law abiding people.
Posted by: Voice of Reason, Fed Up Need Copyright on 1:53pm Mon 30 Apr 07
I even rgistered on this site as Voice of Reason and still people come on here with dribble claiming to be me. I dont care it just meens I am special as you all want to copy me ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha moe fool you MUPPETS
I even rgistered on this site as Voice of Reason and still people come on here with dribble claiming to be me. I dont care it just meens I am special as you all want to copy me ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha moe fool you MUPPETS
Posted by: Voice of Reason, Park South on 1:53pm Mon 30 Apr 07
Again I have to disagree its not always kids from council houses do you not think they have friend who live in areas like Stratton that they meet up with who also enjoy a bowl of gumbo. Or do all the children from places like that behave and never indilge in that kind of thing take your blinkers off it kids from every walk off llife some with poor parents and no doubt some with rich mummies and daddies and some who cant spell or make a valid point without sounding like a little latter-day Hitler.
Again I have to disagree its not always kids from council houses do you not think they have friend who live in areas like Stratton that they meet up with who also enjoy a bowl of gumbo. Or do all the children from places like that behave and never indilge in that kind of thing take your blinkers off it kids from every walk off llife some with poor parents and no doubt some with rich mummies and daddies and some who cant spell or make a valid point without sounding like a little latter-day Hitler.
[quote]you bigoted narrow minded pratt, i find your comments about council house tennants highly offensive and incorrect.[/quote]
So, you insult someone personally and then go on to say you found their comments 'highly offensive'? Good work.
Look, this story is about council house kids ruining facilities in council house estates - get over it and face the facts.
[quote]or a re you too busy scrounging of the state[/quote]
Er, you're the one living in a council house, not me. I'm one of those that pay lots of tax to bail people like you out.
No thanks necessary.
you bigoted narrow minded pratt, i find your comments about council house tennants highly offensive and incorrect.
So, you insult someone personally and then go on to say you found their comments 'highly offensive'? Good work.
Look, this story is about council house kids ruining facilities in council house estates - get over it and face the facts.
or a re you too busy scrounging of the state
Er, you're the one living in a council house, not me. I'm one of those that pay lots of tax to bail people like you out.
Posted by: Voice of Reason, At work so not in Park South on 2:17pm Mon 30 Apr 07
Again not my commenst why would I mention Gumbo thats a rather childish thing to do is it not.And can I just say to Lorry well done mate The Truth is far from what this idiot sprouts I am sick of council estates getting slated most of these fools dont even know where there kids are at night its probably there kids causing the damage
Again not my commenst why would I mention Gumbo thats a rather childish thing to do is it not.And can I just say to Lorry well done mate The Truth is far from what this idiot sprouts I am sick of council estates getting slated most of these fools dont even know where there kids are at night its probably there kids causing the damage
[quote]I am sick of council estates getting slated
[/quote]
Really? Why not try and do something about making them less obvious targets then?
Just because you have to live in one of these dump estates doesn't mean you should pretend there aren't horrendous problems there.
[quote]
most of these fools dont even know where there kids are at night its probably there kids causing the damage[/quote]
Yeah, OK. You keep thinking that if it makes you feel better about where you live.
BTW, it would be very difficult for me to know where my kids are, given that I don't actually have any. I'm too busy working to pay the taxes that allow all your single mother neighbours to have five kids for free to have any of my own.
I am sick of council estates getting slated
Really? Why not try and do something about making them less obvious targets then?
Just because you have to live in one of these dump estates doesn't mean you should pretend there aren't horrendous problems there.
most of these fools dont even know where there kids are at night its probably there kids causing the damage
Yeah, OK. You keep thinking that if it makes you feel better about where you live.
BTW, it would be very difficult for me to know where my kids are, given that I don't actually have any. I'm too busy working to pay the taxes that allow all your single mother neighbours to have five kids for free to have any of my own.
Posted by: Voice of Reason, Park South and **** Proud on 5:25pm Mon 30 Apr 07
The Truth ha ha ha what a joke in itself that is more like you ahve no kids beacuse youe so self obsessed and in love with yourself that no woman has wanted to come near a waste of space like yourself. I work 2 jobs pay 2 lots of taxes my wife works full time my son is in the army payin taxes my daughter is still at school and I pay council tax so why are you any better than me you self righteous prat..?..? Your not I am obviuosly better than you as I pay more tax and all my neighbours work not all people who live on estates are on benefits. So all kids with a good backround dont turn bad sometimes you talk utter B#@@**#s..
The Truth ha ha ha what a joke in itself that is more like you ahve no kids beacuse youe so self obsessed and in love with yourself that no woman has wanted to come near a waste of space like yourself. I work 2 jobs pay 2 lots of taxes my wife works full time my son is in the army payin taxes my daughter is still at school and I pay council tax so why are you any better than me you self righteous prat..?..? Your not I am obviuosly better than you as I pay more tax and all my neighbours work not all people who live on estates are on benefits. So all kids with a good backround dont turn bad sometimes you talk utter B#@@**#s..
[quote]so why are you any better than me you self righteous prat..?..? [/quote]
I can spell and have an above four year old grasp of the English language for a start.
You, on the other hand, actually sound like a psychotic remedial student.
[quote]you ahve no kids beacuse youe so self obsessed and in love with yourself that no woman has wanted to come near a waste of space like yourself.[/quote]
Really? My girlfriend will be interested to hear that.
Of course, unlike you council house people, I actually know what birth control is and have enough intelligence to be able to use it properly.
Your son's in the army? Too thick to get a proper job if your standard of English is anything to go by.
You did get one thing correct though. Unlike you, I do actually like myself and my life and don't take out my bitterness on those who have more money than I do.
so why are you any better than me you self righteous prat..?..?
I can spell and have an above four year old grasp of the English language for a start.
You, on the other hand, actually sound like a psychotic remedial student.
you ahve no kids beacuse youe so self obsessed and in love with yourself that no woman has wanted to come near a waste of space like yourself.
Really? My girlfriend will be interested to hear that.
Of course, unlike you council house people, I actually know what birth control is and have enough intelligence to be able to use it properly.
Your son's in the army? Too thick to get a proper job if your standard of English is anything to go by.
You did get one thing correct though. Unlike you, I do actually like myself and my life and don't take out my bitterness on those who have more money than I do.
Posted by: omg your all at it again!, USA on 7:44pm Mon 30 Apr 07
What is wrong with you people? Sure there are some scumbags on council estates like anywhere, but not everyone who lives on council estates are horrible! YOU people are all thats wrong with this world. You have no empathy or even a nice bone in your bodies! I am so pleased I no longer live in Swindon if there are people like you lot there who like to antagonze everyone with your careless comments! I am not sure which is worse, the bit i read about the library or the comments by you lot!!!
What is wrong with you people? Sure there are some scumbags on council estates like anywhere, but not everyone who lives on council estates are horrible! YOU people are all thats wrong with this world. You have no empathy or even a nice bone in your bodies! I am so pleased I no longer live in Swindon if there are people like you lot there who like to antagonze everyone with your careless comments! I am not sure which is worse, the bit i read about the library or the comments by you lot!!!
[quote][bold]Girgoylia[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]mush1234[/bold] wrote: i never mentioned council house people, and i didnt say they didnt deserve these facilities i said knocked them down cause they are rotten.read the post you muppet[/quote] "Mush1234" if you were paying attention to what "Voice of Reason" wrote, you'd realize that the council house reference was pointed at "The Truth" not you. As for the kids, we have that same problem over here in Australia, except it's a group of 30-40 brats, roaming the streets and causing mayhem in and around the supermarket I work in. The prime cause of it all is a lack of strict discipline from parents through to teachers and society, because we don't want child abuse do we? No, we'd rather have a dysfunctional generation instead.[/quote] This is exactly the problem. Over the years too many "do-gooders" have advocated "don't smack your children" and this is the result. These "do-gooders" can't seem to be able to differentiate between a smack to a naughty child to teach it right from wrong and out and out child abuse. There's a whole world of a difference.
To compound this, we have a government that is so soft on crime that the [italic][bold]victim[/bold][/italic] is regarded as the criminal, not the other way round.
It's high time parents brought their offspring under control and if they refuse, then the parents should be prosecuted and the children taken away from them. Teachers should also be allowed to use corporal punishment as they did when I was at school and the Courts should be able to hand out punishments to fit the crime.
Until this happens, things are only going to go from bad to worse.
Like it or not, children [italic][bold]need[/bold][/italic] discipline
Girgoylia wrote:
mush1234 wrote: i never mentioned council house people, and i didnt say they didnt deserve these facilities i said knocked them down cause they are rotten.read the post you muppet
"Mush1234" if you were paying attention to what "Voice of Reason" wrote, you'd realize that the council house reference was pointed at "The Truth" not you. As for the kids, we have that same problem over here in Australia, except it's a group of 30-40 brats, roaming the streets and causing mayhem in and around the supermarket I work in. The prime cause of it all is a lack of strict discipline from parents through to teachers and society, because we don't want child abuse do we? No, we'd rather have a dysfunctional generation instead.
This is exactly the problem. Over the years too many "do-gooders" have advocated "don't smack your children" and this is the result. These "do-gooders" can't seem to be able to differentiate between a smack to a naughty child to teach it right from wrong and out and out child abuse. There's a whole world of a difference.
To compound this, we have a government that is so soft on crime that the victim is regarded as the criminal, not the other way round.
It's high time parents brought their offspring under control and if they refuse, then the parents should be prosecuted and the children taken away from them. Teachers should also be allowed to use corporal punishment as they did when I was at school and the Courts should be able to hand out punishments to fit the crime.
Until this happens, things are only going to go from bad to worse.
Posted by: Tracy, Park North on 10:19pm Mon 30 Apr 07
[quote][bold]The Truth[/bold] wrote:
[quote]so why are you any better than me you self righteous prat..?..? [/quote]
I can spell and have an above four year old grasp of the English language for a start.
You, on the other hand, actually sound like a psychotic remedial student.
[quote]you ahve no kids beacuse youe so self obsessed and in love with yourself that no woman has wanted to come near a waste of space like yourself.[/quote]
Really? My girlfriend will be interested to hear that.
Of course, unlike you council house people, I actually know what birth control is and have enough intelligence to be able to use it properly.
Your son's in the army? Too thick to get a proper job if your standard of English is anything to go by.
You did get one thing correct though. Unlike you, I do actually like myself and my life and don't take out my bitterness on those who have more money than I do.[/quote] I find your comment about the army insulting. My son is going in the army in September with excellent grades from school. I believe he will have more opportunity to better himself than in civilian life. The army will not take just anyone and recruits have to pass a barrage of tests before being accepted.
The Truth wrote:
so why are you any better than me you self righteous prat..?..?
I can spell and have an above four year old grasp of the English language for a start.
You, on the other hand, actually sound like a psychotic remedial student.
you ahve no kids beacuse youe so self obsessed and in love with yourself that no woman has wanted to come near a waste of space like yourself.
Really? My girlfriend will be interested to hear that.
Of course, unlike you council house people, I actually know what birth control is and have enough intelligence to be able to use it properly.
Your son's in the army? Too thick to get a proper job if your standard of English is anything to go by.
You did get one thing correct though. Unlike you, I do actually like myself and my life and don't take out my bitterness on those who have more money than I do.
I find your comment about the army insulting. My son is going in the army in September with excellent grades from school. I believe he will have more opportunity to better himself than in civilian life. The army will not take just anyone and recruits have to pass a barrage of tests before being accepted.
Posted by: PC 1903, Gorse Hill on 11:09pm Mon 30 Apr 07
I may as well have my say! I used to be the Penhill Bobby and loved working there. I don't think there is a stronger community spirit in any other area of Swindon than that in Penhill. I do not agree with the derrogatory comment about Cllr GLAHOLM as far as I am aware the extra parking was organised by Cllr GLAHOLM and he is regularly seen in Penhill.
I used to have a weekly meeting in the library which gave the residents the chance to drop in for a chat with their local bobby. Now that there will be a more permanent post there it will make contact with the local Neighbourhood Policing Team much easier and will deter the nuissance children. The problem we all face is parents who do not take responsibility for the problems that their children cause. The police and the courts cannot change this - it is as those above have stated a society/generation/parenting/discipline problem. It is very frustrating as a police officer not to have the support from parents of unruly children but equally rewarding when they are as they can have much more impact than anything else.
I hope that the brainless and childish comments will stop now.
I may as well have my say! I used to be the Penhill Bobby and loved working there. I don't think there is a stronger community spirit in any other area of Swindon than that in Penhill. I do not agree with the derrogatory comment about Cllr GLAHOLM as far as I am aware the extra parking was organised by Cllr GLAHOLM and he is regularly seen in Penhill.
I used to have a weekly meeting in the library which gave the residents the chance to drop in for a chat with their local bobby. Now that there will be a more permanent post there it will make contact with the local Neighbourhood Policing Team much easier and will deter the nuissance children. The problem we all face is parents who do not take responsibility for the problems that their children cause. The police and the courts cannot change this - it is as those above have stated a society/generation/parenting/discipline problem. It is very frustrating as a police officer not to have the support from parents of unruly children but equally rewarding when they are as they can have much more impact than anything else.
I hope that the brainless and childish comments will stop now.
I think they [bold]are[/bold] already in in....... [bold]goverment and local council[/bold]
A rose, by any other name, would it not smell as sweet....
A muppet, be it Tory or Labour, blue capped or red, would it not still be a muppet
I think they are already in in....... goverment and local council
A rose, by any other name, would it not smell as sweet....
A muppet, be it Tory or Labour, blue capped or red, would it not still be a muppet
Posted by: Tracy, Park North on 7:33am Tue 1 May 07
[quote][bold]Army boys[/bold] wrote:
Hmm, lots of lads from the Parks joining the army I see![/quote] Firstly, We do not originate from Swindon, although I have lived in Swindon for 25 years 12 of those in the Parks. Secondly My Husband was in the army for 14 years. His son My stepson lives in Cornwall. The people of Parks are in the main decent hard working. Both my husband and I work full time. You really
need to stop generalising and understand that there is good and bad everywhere.
Army boys wrote:
Hmm, lots of lads from the Parks joining the army I see!
Firstly, We do not originate from Swindon, although I have lived in Swindon for 25 years 12 of those in the Parks. Secondly My Husband was in the army for 14 years. His son My stepson lives in Cornwall. The people of Parks are in the main decent hard working. Both my husband and I work full time. You really
need to stop generalising and understand that there is good and bad everywhere.
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