Biker in appeal for a longer cyclepath

This Is Wiltshire: Chris Passmore has submitted a petition to the council with 300 signatures for the installation of a cycle path and lighting down Kingsdown Road Buy this photo Chris Passmore has submitted a petition to the council with 300 signatures for the installation of a cycle path and lighting down Kingsdown Road

ROADWORKS to extend a cycleway and footpath have been dismissed as a waste of money because the extension does not go far enough in protecting cyclists, according to one campaigner.

Chris Passmore, 52, of Beechcroft Road, has worked for the past year to draw support to pressure Swindon Council into providing a cycleway along the full length of Kingsdown Road.

He lodged a petition containing 300 signatures with Coun Joe Tray (Lab, Penhill & Upper Stratton) at the start of the month, and now expects some response or action from the council.

The current work taking place in Kingsdown Road is funded by Gazeley, as a part of its planning permission for the G.Park Swindon development, and extends the cycleway to allow access to the B&Q distribution centre on-site.

The work began on July 29 and is expected to last until September 20, with two-way traffic signals in place for an extension, which includes replacement of the bridge parapet over the A419 and changes to carriageway widths.

Chris said the upheaval and costs involved in providing this extension would only be worth it if it were a full extension along Kingsdown Road to where it meets Highworth Road and South Marston Industrial Estate.

“Nobody was doing anything to change the road and get a path put in, so I started taking names,” he said.

“It’s a dangerous stretch of road. The Prime Minister has said he wants to see more people riding their bikes, so a scheme like this should be done properly.

“Doing the extension just past the bridge is a waste of money. If you want to benefit as many people as possible you need to extend it the full length and bring lights in too. It’s a very dark and narrow road.”

Chris works as a technician on South Marston Industrial Estate, so cycles along Kingsdown Road as a commuter.

He says he has had some lucky escapes.

“I have been very lucky a few times –riding down there at night when a fast car comes by, it can get scary,” he said.

Speaking about the current roadworks, a council spokesman said: “Once finished, the route will give cycle access to the B&Q site.

“It is an aspiration to continue the cycle route along Kingsdown Road to link up with the network on Highworth Road.

“But this is dependent on us obtaining the necessary funding.”

Coun Paul Baker (Lab, Penhill & Upper Stratton) has backed Chris’ petition And he drew attention to Government grants which may be available to cycle schemes across Swindon.

He said: “There is money available through the Government for cycleways in the form of grants. I’m sure there are going to be a few around Swindon, but I don’t know if that’s something we can dig into in this case.”

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3:08pm Wed 28 Aug 13

Oik1 says...

"ROADWORKS to extend a cycleway and footpath have been dismissed as a waste of money because the extension does not go far enough in protecting cyclists, according to one campaigner."

Well, that being the case lets stop where it is now and not waste any more money. I'm sure some other group will be glad of the extra funding.
"ROADWORKS to extend a cycleway and footpath have been dismissed as a waste of money because the extension does not go far enough in protecting cyclists, according to one campaigner." Well, that being the case lets stop where it is now and not waste any more money. I'm sure some other group will be glad of the extra funding. Oik1
  • Score: -4

3:45pm Wed 28 Aug 13

Mushymushy says...

I fully support you what's the point in making a path that stops at the bus stop, we could be waiting years for the funding, the funding is there some where the road outside the bus depot has be refsufaced, who paid for that and it includes a cycle lane that goes no where.
I fully support you what's the point in making a path that stops at the bus stop, we could be waiting years for the funding, the funding is there some where the road outside the bus depot has be refsufaced, who paid for that and it includes a cycle lane that goes no where. Mushymushy
  • Score: 0

3:59pm Wed 28 Aug 13

speaker2 says...

Right I have to say this because the people at the advertiser are so bloody stupid
The Guy in the photograph is a Cyclist not a BIKER...
Considering that the Advertiser employees stupid people who don't know the Difference I will point it out

A Cyclist rides a Push Bike

A Biker rides a Motorbike

(See the different)
Right I have to say this because the people at the advertiser are so bloody stupid The Guy in the photograph is a Cyclist not a BIKER... Considering that the Advertiser employees stupid people who don't know the Difference I will point it out A Cyclist rides a Push Bike A Biker rides a Motorbike (See the different) speaker2
  • Score: -2

4:53pm Wed 28 Aug 13

The Real Librarian says...

All true, but

I drive on that raod and Ermin st.

I see lots of cyclists.

Unlike Chris, a lot of these tools are wearing dark clothes, no reflectives, no helmet and no lights and they swerve around the road like they are drunk.

If I hit a cyclist who had made the effort to be visible, I would be very sorry.

If I his one of these tools, I would probably not be able to care very much.
All true, but I drive on that raod and Ermin st. I see lots of cyclists. Unlike Chris, a lot of these tools are wearing dark clothes, no reflectives, no helmet and no lights and they swerve around the road like they are drunk. If I hit a cyclist who had made the effort to be visible, I would be very sorry. If I his one of these tools, I would probably not be able to care very much. The Real Librarian
  • Score: -2

4:58pm Wed 28 Aug 13

Al Smith says...

Oxford English Dictionary definition of a biker:

biker, n.
1. orig. colloq. A cyclist, a person who rides a bicycle.
2. Chiefly U.S. and Brit. A motorcyclist, esp. a member of a motorcycle club or gang.

Always best to check facts before calling someone stupid!
Oxford English Dictionary definition of a biker: biker, n. 1. orig. colloq. A cyclist, a person who rides a bicycle. 2. Chiefly U.S. and Brit. A motorcyclist, esp. a member of a motorcycle club or gang. Always best to check facts before calling someone stupid! Al Smith
  • Score: 11

5:06pm Wed 28 Aug 13

mug? says...

I wondered when something about this would appear. A cycle path
you say? You could have fooled me.

"The current work taking place" again, maybe I'm a fool or a mug, but I haven't seen any "work" taking place here for several weeks now. Just a dug up path and some traffic lights causing disruption - although not a huge deal. I assumed the aim would be to complete this project during the school holidays as it started at the start of the holidays. There was about a week of activity then the workforce appears to have disappeared. Aside from that, this is the third time this cycle path has been - ahem - worked on. The first time I assumed they were going to do a complete cycle path which made sense. Assumed making an **** out of U and me.

For the first phase, they created a path by the the bus stop, opposite the entrance to Stratton Wood and abandoned it.

The second phase, they dug up most of the verges in front of Kingsdown Farm and laid a path and installed the pedestrian crossing. Meanwhile, the path on the other side is uneven and dangerous, especially with the nighttime invisible cyclist cycling at full pelt down the hill on the path - no, not on the newly laid cycle path - having no regard whatsoever for me on foot heading towards them. I'd like to point out it's illegal to cycle on the footpath unless it's a designated cycle path, like the other side of the road appears to be. It's also illegal to cycle without lights at night. Maybe Honda should inform their employees of this. It is also incredibly selfish. For the record, I am a cyclist and cycle on the road and am not anti cyclist, just anti selfish people with no regard for anyone else.

Now, the third phase and this is what confuses me, they have spent a week digging up the new path which was laid in the last couple of years. There was nothing wrong, to my eye with that path. It was certainly much better then the new path outside the new development by Kingsdown School.

Someone has spent money digging up the verges and laying an incomplete cycle path and then shortly after someone - same company? I don't know - has come along and spent more money on digging it back up again.

This doesn't make sense to me. Do they just like to burn money?

Can someone please explain this to me?
I wondered when something about this would appear. A cycle path you say? You could have fooled me. "The current work taking place" again, maybe I'm a fool or a mug, but I haven't seen any "work" taking place here for several weeks now. Just a dug up path and some traffic lights causing disruption - although not a huge deal. I assumed the aim would be to complete this project during the school holidays as it started at the start of the holidays. There was about a week of activity then the workforce appears to have disappeared. Aside from that, this is the third time this cycle path has been - ahem - worked on. The first time I assumed they were going to do a complete cycle path which made sense. Assumed making an **** out of U and me. For the first phase, they created a path by the the bus stop, opposite the entrance to Stratton Wood and abandoned it. The second phase, they dug up most of the verges in front of Kingsdown Farm and laid a path and installed the pedestrian crossing. Meanwhile, the path on the other side is uneven and dangerous, especially with the nighttime invisible cyclist cycling at full pelt down the hill on the path - no, not on the newly laid cycle path - having no regard whatsoever for me on foot heading towards them. I'd like to point out it's illegal to cycle on the footpath unless it's a designated cycle path, like the other side of the road appears to be. It's also illegal to cycle without lights at night. Maybe Honda should inform their employees of this. It is also incredibly selfish. For the record, I am a cyclist and cycle on the road and am not anti cyclist, just anti selfish people with no regard for anyone else. Now, the third phase and this is what confuses me, they have spent a week digging up the new path which was laid in the last couple of years. There was nothing wrong, to my eye with that path. It was certainly much better then the new path outside the new development by Kingsdown School. Someone has spent money digging up the verges and laying an incomplete cycle path and then shortly after someone - same company? I don't know - has come along and spent more money on digging it back up again. This doesn't make sense to me. Do they just like to burn money? Can someone please explain this to me? mug?
  • Score: -2

5:08pm Wed 28 Aug 13

mug? says...

ah, my donkey has been censored.
ah, my donkey has been censored. mug?
  • Score: 0

6:10pm Wed 28 Aug 13

Davey Gravey says...

Anything that keeps the lycra clad morons from swerving on roads I'm all for. Charge cyclists a form of tax and put paths up all over the place.
Anything that keeps the lycra clad morons from swerving on roads I'm all for. Charge cyclists a form of tax and put paths up all over the place. Davey Gravey
  • Score: -12

6:29pm Wed 28 Aug 13

Davey Gravey says...

Since Wiggins won the tour de france it's got even worse. How many if those idiots in their team sky tops are on the roads now?
They hold up traffic and are frankly a pain in the backside.
Since Wiggins won the tour de france it's got even worse. How many if those idiots in their team sky tops are on the roads now? They hold up traffic and are frankly a pain in the backside. Davey Gravey
  • Score: -16

7:07pm Wed 28 Aug 13

Davey Gravey says...

Oh and what about the utter tools who insist on riding on the roads when a cycle path is alongside that road they are obstructing. Absolute morons
Oh and what about the utter tools who insist on riding on the roads when a cycle path is alongside that road they are obstructing. Absolute morons Davey Gravey
  • Score: -4

7:30pm Wed 28 Aug 13

semitonic says...

The Real Librarian wrote:
All true, but

I drive on that raod and Ermin st.

I see lots of cyclists.

Unlike Chris, a lot of these tools are wearing dark clothes, no reflectives, no helmet and no lights and they swerve around the road like they are drunk.

If I hit a cyclist who had made the effort to be visible, I would be very sorry.

If I his one of these tools, I would probably not be able to care very much.
You are drunk and trying to type, right?
[quote][p][bold]The Real Librarian[/bold] wrote: All true, but I drive on that raod and Ermin st. I see lots of cyclists. Unlike Chris, a lot of these tools are wearing dark clothes, no reflectives, no helmet and no lights and they swerve around the road like they are drunk. If I hit a cyclist who had made the effort to be visible, I would be very sorry. If I his one of these tools, I would probably not be able to care very much.[/p][/quote]You are drunk and trying to type, right? semitonic
  • Score: 2

8:51pm Wed 28 Aug 13

Oik1 says...

"Anything that keeps the lycra clad morons from swerving on roads I'm all for. Charge cyclists a form of tax and put paths up all over the place."

Well said Davey, why the hell should they not pay any kind of tax?
They expect to use the roads, paths, cycle paths and any other pedestrian walk way and yet when asked about the idea to pay a few quid in the form of a tax you'd of thought you'd asked them to sell their daughters, grannys and mistresses!
"Anything that keeps the lycra clad morons from swerving on roads I'm all for. Charge cyclists a form of tax and put paths up all over the place." Well said Davey, why the hell should they not pay any kind of tax? They expect to use the roads, paths, cycle paths and any other pedestrian walk way and yet when asked about the idea to pay a few quid in the form of a tax you'd of thought you'd asked them to sell their daughters, grannys and mistresses! Oik1
  • Score: -9

9:44pm Wed 28 Aug 13

REDROM says...

Oik1 wrote:
"Anything that keeps the lycra clad morons from swerving on roads I'm all for. Charge cyclists a form of tax and put paths up all over the place."

Well said Davey, why the hell should they not pay any kind of tax?
They expect to use the roads, paths, cycle paths and any other pedestrian walk way and yet when asked about the idea to pay a few quid in the form of a tax you'd of thought you'd asked them to sell their daughters, grannys and mistresses!
Don't pay environmental tax as they don't choke any one with dirty exhaust fumes,what brainless idiotic quote "make them pay tax" what for? for trying to stay in shape. Think you need to think before you post
[quote][p][bold]Oik1[/bold] wrote: "Anything that keeps the lycra clad morons from swerving on roads I'm all for. Charge cyclists a form of tax and put paths up all over the place." Well said Davey, why the hell should they not pay any kind of tax? They expect to use the roads, paths, cycle paths and any other pedestrian walk way and yet when asked about the idea to pay a few quid in the form of a tax you'd of thought you'd asked them to sell their daughters, grannys and mistresses![/p][/quote]Don't pay environmental tax as they don't choke any one with dirty exhaust fumes,what brainless idiotic quote "make them pay tax" what for? for trying to stay in shape. Think you need to think before you post REDROM
  • Score: 5

10:26pm Wed 28 Aug 13

Oik1 says...

No need to think about it too much really,it's a no brainer, how about paying a tax to contribute to using the facilitys paid for by other tax paying road users, if you really want to stay in shape use a gym , go swimming ,oh no, you'd have to pay something for that, from your post I see a fully paid up something for nothing member.
No need to think about it too much really,it's a no brainer, how about paying a tax to contribute to using the facilitys paid for by other tax paying road users, if you really want to stay in shape use a gym , go swimming ,oh no, you'd have to pay something for that, from your post I see a fully paid up something for nothing member. Oik1
  • Score: -7

10:29pm Wed 28 Aug 13

Davey Gravey says...

REDROM wrote:
Oik1 wrote:
"Anything that keeps the lycra clad morons from swerving on roads I'm all for. Charge cyclists a form of tax and put paths up all over the place."

Well said Davey, why the hell should they not pay any kind of tax?
They expect to use the roads, paths, cycle paths and any other pedestrian walk way and yet when asked about the idea to pay a few quid in the form of a tax you'd of thought you'd asked them to sell their daughters, grannys and mistresses!
Don't pay environmental tax as they don't choke any one with dirty exhaust fumes,what brainless idiotic quote "make them pay tax" what for? for trying to stay in shape. Think you need to think before you post
Pay tax for cycle path creation and upkeep.
[quote][p][bold]REDROM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oik1[/bold] wrote: "Anything that keeps the lycra clad morons from swerving on roads I'm all for. Charge cyclists a form of tax and put paths up all over the place." Well said Davey, why the hell should they not pay any kind of tax? They expect to use the roads, paths, cycle paths and any other pedestrian walk way and yet when asked about the idea to pay a few quid in the form of a tax you'd of thought you'd asked them to sell their daughters, grannys and mistresses![/p][/quote]Don't pay environmental tax as they don't choke any one with dirty exhaust fumes,what brainless idiotic quote "make them pay tax" what for? for trying to stay in shape. Think you need to think before you post[/p][/quote]Pay tax for cycle path creation and upkeep. Davey Gravey
  • Score: -2

7:55am Thu 29 Aug 13

Mushymushy says...

Oik1 wrote:
No need to think about it too much really,it's a no brainer, how about paying a tax to contribute to using the facilitys paid for by other tax paying road users, if you really want to stay in shape use a gym , go swimming ,oh no, you'd have to pay something for that, from your post I see a fully paid up something for nothing member.
So people who use pavements should pay a tax for using them and if a pedestrian strays into the cycle lane on a footpath should they be fined or sent to prison.
Oik1 you need to get out a bit more and stop writing rubbish on here.
[quote][p][bold]Oik1[/bold] wrote: No need to think about it too much really,it's a no brainer, how about paying a tax to contribute to using the facilitys paid for by other tax paying road users, if you really want to stay in shape use a gym , go swimming ,oh no, you'd have to pay something for that, from your post I see a fully paid up something for nothing member.[/p][/quote]So people who use pavements should pay a tax for using them and if a pedestrian strays into the cycle lane on a footpath should they be fined or sent to prison. Oik1 you need to get out a bit more and stop writing rubbish on here. Mushymushy
  • Score: 6

11:02am Thu 29 Aug 13

BCDR99 says...

I see the usual idiots are out.

Swindon's roads are paid for and maintained from Council Tax. As my house is a Band F can I tell "all these morons" who pay less council tax than me to get off my road, as I pay more towards it than them?
If someone barged in to A&E and demanded to be seen first because they paid more income tax than all the people in there already you would, quite rightly, tell them where to go. Yet many drivers think because they have a small round paper disc on their windscreen that they pay for they can tell people to get off "their roads." How bizarre!

On my commute to work (on my bike) I'm held up by cars queueing at the various junctions. It isn't the other way round. Traffic jams are caused by high volumes of large vehicles being driven around with only 20% of their passenger capcaity being used. Not buses - private cars. My seven mile journey across Swindon is quicker on my bike than in my car. What does that tell you about who is causing the accidents?

If you are delayed by a couple of seconds as you have to overtake a cyclist, you're only delayed in getting to the back of the next queue where the cyclist will invariably go past you again anyway. If they don't you're still in that queue behind the same car you were behind in the previous queue.
Whilst you may think that is "a pain in the backside", think of it from the point of view of the cyclist. I've had too many people squeeze past to get to the next queue 2 seconds quicker and they've nearly taken the skin off my elbow. If you catch a car's wing mirror because you're driving too close to them it's an annoyance. Catch a cyclist's elbow and it's a potentially serious injury.
But then, if they haven't got one of these magic pieces of polystyrene on their head that the media thinks saves lives it's their own stupid fault isn't it and you won't lose any sleep over it?

Surely the biggest concern is that people that have the above attitudes are allowed to retain their driver's licence. I saw a great quote the other day from someone that had been on a speed awareness course. The person taking the course had said that "driving was an exercise in social collaboration." It's a shame so many people get in their big, heavy metal boxes and forget that.
I see the usual idiots are out. Swindon's roads are paid for and maintained from Council Tax. As my house is a Band F can I tell "all these morons" who pay less council tax than me to get off my road, as I pay more towards it than them? If someone barged in to A&E and demanded to be seen first because they paid more income tax than all the people in there already you would, quite rightly, tell them where to go. Yet many drivers think because they have a small round paper disc on their windscreen that they pay for they can tell people to get off "their roads." How bizarre! On my commute to work (on my bike) I'm held up by cars queueing at the various junctions. It isn't the other way round. Traffic jams are caused by high volumes of large vehicles being driven around with only 20% of their passenger capcaity being used. Not buses - private cars. My seven mile journey across Swindon is quicker on my bike than in my car. What does that tell you about who is causing the accidents? If you are delayed by a couple of seconds as you have to overtake a cyclist, you're only delayed in getting to the back of the next queue where the cyclist will invariably go past you again anyway. If they don't you're still in that queue behind the same car you were behind in the previous queue. Whilst you may think that is "a pain in the backside", think of it from the point of view of the cyclist. I've had too many people squeeze past to get to the next queue 2 seconds quicker and they've nearly taken the skin off my elbow. If you catch a car's wing mirror because you're driving too close to them it's an annoyance. Catch a cyclist's elbow and it's a potentially serious injury. But then, if they haven't got one of these magic pieces of polystyrene on their head that the media thinks saves lives it's their own stupid fault isn't it and you won't lose any sleep over it? Surely the biggest concern is that people that have the above attitudes are allowed to retain their driver's licence. I saw a great quote the other day from someone that had been on a speed awareness course. The person taking the course had said that "driving was an exercise in social collaboration." It's a shame so many people get in their big, heavy metal boxes and forget that. BCDR99
  • Score: 3

11:04am Thu 29 Aug 13

BCDR99 says...

I didn't mean causing accidents above, I meant causing DELAYS
I didn't mean causing accidents above, I meant causing DELAYS BCDR99
  • Score: 0

1:16pm Thu 29 Aug 13

themoonraker says...

Apologies to the sensible, considerate cyclists ( yes, i know you are out there , but sadly not many of you and you are in a very small minority)
BUT
I would like to share a recent example of cyclist behaviour along Kingsdown Road.......cyclist riding along pavement rather than on road, mother pushing double buggy along pavement towards him, cyclist swerves onto road without even a cursory glance over shoulder about ten yards in front of car (my estimate driviing approx 20mph ) who has to brake hard to avoid hitting back of cyclist, cyclist then swerves back onto pavement, looking back over shoulder hurling abuse at mother pushing buggy!
Sorry, but this is all too typical cyclist behaviour and it is about time these morons were made to be taxed and insured before being allowed to take such 'lethal weapons' onto the road and cycling on footpaths should be subject to a 'spot fine' of somewhere in the region of £50/£100.
No doubt cyclists will castigate me and say that they are not the dangerous ones......try telling that to the poor young mother and unfortunate driver who had to put up with such dangerous and anti social behaviour as descibed in my mail
Oh, and combine this with cyclists who ignore traffic lights, do not use lights and cycle on the wrong side of the road and you have an animal who is every bit as lethal as the 'boy racers', drink drivers and morons who use mobile phones whilst driving their Motor Cars.
Apologies to the sensible, considerate cyclists ( yes, i know you are out there , but sadly not many of you and you are in a very small minority) BUT I would like to share a recent example of cyclist behaviour along Kingsdown Road.......cyclist riding along pavement rather than on road, mother pushing double buggy along pavement towards him, cyclist swerves onto road without even a cursory glance over shoulder about ten yards in front of car (my estimate driviing approx 20mph ) who has to brake hard to avoid hitting back of cyclist, cyclist then swerves back onto pavement, looking back over shoulder hurling abuse at mother pushing buggy! Sorry, but this is all too typical cyclist behaviour and it is about time these morons were made to be taxed and insured before being allowed to take such 'lethal weapons' onto the road and cycling on footpaths should be subject to a 'spot fine' of somewhere in the region of £50/£100. No doubt cyclists will castigate me and say that they are not the dangerous ones......try telling that to the poor young mother and unfortunate driver who had to put up with such dangerous and anti social behaviour as descibed in my mail Oh, and combine this with cyclists who ignore traffic lights, do not use lights and cycle on the wrong side of the road and you have an animal who is every bit as lethal as the 'boy racers', drink drivers and morons who use mobile phones whilst driving their Motor Cars. themoonraker
  • Score: -2

2:00pm Thu 29 Aug 13

house on the hill says...

As with everything there are good and bad and yes it does all come down to attitude. good and bad drivers, cyclists, bikers even pedestrians contribute to the chaos on our roads. and they are not accidents they are crashes! 95% of all road deaths and life changing injuries last year were caused by driver error or "could have been avoided with a bit less attitude and a bit more care and attention". A bit more respect and a lot less arrogance all round would not only make our roads a more pleasant place to be but might save your life!
As with everything there are good and bad and yes it does all come down to attitude. good and bad drivers, cyclists, bikers even pedestrians contribute to the chaos on our roads. and they are not accidents they are crashes! 95% of all road deaths and life changing injuries last year were caused by driver error or "could have been avoided with a bit less attitude and a bit more care and attention". A bit more respect and a lot less arrogance all round would not only make our roads a more pleasant place to be but might save your life! house on the hill
  • Score: 3

2:09pm Thu 29 Aug 13

JakobK says...

That little disc on your car windscreen is an environmental tax because you are damaging the environment. It's a car tax, because your drive a car.

The upkeep of roads comes from a central source, a kitty if you like, from Westminster and local council taxes.

An IQ test for drivers would serioiusly lessen the amount of congestion on the roads.
That little disc on your car windscreen is an environmental tax because you are damaging the environment. It's a car tax, because your drive a car. The upkeep of roads comes from a central source, a kitty if you like, from Westminster and local council taxes. An IQ test for drivers would serioiusly lessen the amount of congestion on the roads. JakobK
  • Score: 5

12:14pm Fri 30 Aug 13

BCDR99 says...

@ Themoonraker.

We've all got examples of people we see doing all sorts of things badly and inconsiderately.
But you can't legislate based on anecdotes.

The facts show that cyclists injure very few people and kill almost none. Motor vehicles are involved in just about 100% of road deaths. Where these involve a cyclist, the motorist is at fault much more often than the cyclist.

Cars, vans, trucks, buses etc are all taxed and licenced and insured but they still have crashes.
You can pretty much do what you like on the roads though because there are no police out there weeding out the poor road users. Cycling on the footpath is illegal and is punishable with a fine. But who's going to enforce it when all the police are sat behind desks sending letters out to people who have been stupid enough to have been caught speeding by a big yellow camera?

And sensible, considerate cyclists are not in the minority. The vast majority of all road users are considerate and sensible but you don't notice them because they are not doing anything wrong. The trouble comes when someone is inconsiderate. The larger and faster your vehicle is, the more likely you are to do some real damage.
@ Themoonraker. We've all got examples of people we see doing all sorts of things badly and inconsiderately. But you can't legislate based on anecdotes. The facts show that cyclists injure very few people and kill almost none. Motor vehicles are involved in just about 100% of road deaths. Where these involve a cyclist, the motorist is at fault much more often than the cyclist. Cars, vans, trucks, buses etc are all taxed and licenced and insured but they still have crashes. You can pretty much do what you like on the roads though because there are no police out there weeding out the poor road users. Cycling on the footpath is illegal and is punishable with a fine. But who's going to enforce it when all the police are sat behind desks sending letters out to people who have been stupid enough to have been caught speeding by a big yellow camera? And sensible, considerate cyclists are not in the minority. The vast majority of all road users are considerate and sensible but you don't notice them because they are not doing anything wrong. The trouble comes when someone is inconsiderate. The larger and faster your vehicle is, the more likely you are to do some real damage. BCDR99
  • Score: 3

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