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This Is Wiltshire: David Hamshire has published his book When was Jesus really born? David Hamshire has published his book When was Jesus really born?

A FORMER Bible smuggler living in Wanborough says he’s plotted the day of Christ’s birth.

David Hamshire is the author of a newly-published book called When was Jesus Really Born?

Armed with faith, a Bible, Hebrew calendars and a talent for maths, he believes he has solved a mystery that has taxed religious scholars for centuries.

The devout Christian’s research led him to conclude that Christ was born on the Day of Atonement, the holiest day of the Jewish calendar, which falls on a different day of the Western calendar from year to year.

Most people realise that the Western Christmas Day - December 25 - isn’t the true anniversary of Christ’s birth. Some believe it was laid over pre-Christian religions’ winter traditions.

“My understanding,” said David, “is that Christmas was not officially December 25 until three or four hundred years after He died.

“When you come to the shortest day you need to feel that things are getting better. Midwinter was a time of gloom, so we had this good news of the birth of the Saviour.”

David, 70, is married to Janet and the couple have two daughters and five grandchildren. A son died in infancy.

School was followed by the RAF, in which he served as a military aircraft technician until the age of 30, working on machines including Britannias and Hercules. A Lyneham posting led to him settling in the area.

David later worked as an engineer for Rank Xerox and as a financial consultant.

His unwavering Christian faith dates from childhood. “My brother, Ronald, when he was 15 and I was about nine or 10, contracted polio.

“He was very seriously ill and my parents were advised that he would not survive. When we came home one evening, as a result of having been given that news, my parents went round to our neighbours’ - I supposed because they were so depressed and had to share the news with somebody.”

The neighbours were Christians and they said they would pray for Ronald.

David added: “When my mother phoned the hospital the following morning they told her that not only was he alive but that he had made an excellent recovery during the night. He’s now 77 years old.

“We started going to our neighbours’ church...”

From 1983 to 1990 David worked for an organisation called Open Doors, which aids persecuted Christians worldwide.

His role included smuggling runs with other missionaries behind the Iron Curtain and to other oppressive countries, driving vehicles packed with hidden Bibles.

“I was discovered once, going through Czechoslovakia on the way to Poland. We were arrested and locked up for 24 hours under armed guard, isolated from one another. They eventually let us go.”

The issue of Christ’s birth date had niggled at David for some time before he began his calculations and search for evidence.

He and his wife had celebrated Christmas, albeit in a way that shunned commercialism in favour of prayer and reflection.

“You hear of people borrowing money to buy presents for their kids,” he said, “and there are more family break-ups at Christmas than at any other time of the year.”

David details his search for the true birth date in his book. For what amounts to a work of Biblical scholarship it makes for lively, closely-argued reading.

David credits prayer, careful reading of scripture and direct inspiration from God with setting him on the right track.

Factors he took into account include Christ’s age at His crucifixion, the length of His ministry as detailed in the Gospels and various differences between the Jewish Calendar and ours.

He was led inexorably to the Day of Atonement, which fell on September 14 last year and is on October 4 this year. David marked last year’s with a day of prayer and fasting, pronouncing the experience “fantastic”.

When was Jesus Really Born? is selling well. In a recent 48-hour period nearly 150 copies were ordered by people in seven countries. David has also won favourable reviews from laypeople and scholars alike.

The book can be ordered from Amazon, and further information about David and his work can be found at whenwasjesusborn.net.

David can be contacted on 01793 791140.

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7:04am Thu 23 Jan 14

house on the hill says...

What's next, plotting Captain Kirk's birth? Its a fantasy, a story, he isn't real you know.
What's next, plotting Captain Kirk's birth? Its a fantasy, a story, he isn't real you know. house on the hill

8:17am Thu 23 Jan 14

St. peter says...

It is very clever for someone who doesn't exist to change our whole calendar system. AD 'The year of our Lord' and BC 'Before Christ'
It is very clever for someone who doesn't exist to change our whole calendar system. AD 'The year of our Lord' and BC 'Before Christ' St. peter

8:50am Thu 23 Jan 14

Occasional Commentator says...

Jesus said that He would continue His work through the church. Sadly over the years some churches have become little more than religious social clubs. However there are still many - including many in this town - where people are encountering God. I wonder if anyone claiming dogmatically that Jesus/God doe snot exist would be willing to visit one of these and talk to the members about what Jesus has done for them.

Visitors are always very welcome at churches. You don't need to phone us first to ask permission.
Jesus said that He would continue His work through the church. Sadly over the years some churches have become little more than religious social clubs. However there are still many - including many in this town - where people are encountering God. I wonder if anyone claiming dogmatically that Jesus/God doe snot exist would be willing to visit one of these and talk to the members about what Jesus has done for them. Visitors are always very welcome at churches. You don't need to phone us first to ask permission. Occasional Commentator

9:07am Thu 23 Jan 14

PaulD says...

Jesus was born in about 400AD, when he was made up for a story to keep the plebs in line
Jesus was born in about 400AD, when he was made up for a story to keep the plebs in line PaulD

9:26am Thu 23 Jan 14

benzss says...

St. peter wrote:
It is very clever for someone who doesn't exist to change our whole calendar system. AD 'The year of our Lord' and BC 'Before Christ'
This started in 525 CE and wasn't popularised until 3 centuries later. And even then they were guessing.
[quote][p][bold]St. peter[/bold] wrote: It is very clever for someone who doesn't exist to change our whole calendar system. AD 'The year of our Lord' and BC 'Before Christ'[/p][/quote]This started in 525 CE and wasn't popularised until 3 centuries later. And even then they were guessing. benzss

9:30am Thu 23 Jan 14

Davey Gravey says...

St. peter wrote:
It is very clever for someone who doesn't exist to change our whole calendar system. AD 'The year of our Lord' and BC 'Before Christ'
In that case, why can't they get the date correct then?
[quote][p][bold]St. peter[/bold] wrote: It is very clever for someone who doesn't exist to change our whole calendar system. AD 'The year of our Lord' and BC 'Before Christ'[/p][/quote]In that case, why can't they get the date correct then? Davey Gravey

9:57am Thu 23 Jan 14

Hmmmf says...

Deeply-held delusions are to be respected (by law), especially in the name of Advertising. Can't wait for the sequel 'When was Jesus really reborn?'
Deeply-held delusions are to be respected (by law), especially in the name of Advertising. Can't wait for the sequel 'When was Jesus really reborn?' Hmmmf

10:23am Thu 23 Jan 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

Occasional Commentator wrote:
Jesus said that He would continue His work through the church. Sadly over the years some churches have become little more than religious social clubs. However there are still many - including many in this town - where people are encountering God. I wonder if anyone claiming dogmatically that Jesus/God doe snot exist would be willing to visit one of these and talk to the members about what Jesus has done for them.

Visitors are always very welcome at churches. You don't need to phone us first to ask permission.
Doe snot definitely exists - I had one sneeze on me once.
[quote][p][bold]Occasional Commentator[/bold] wrote: Jesus said that He would continue His work through the church. Sadly over the years some churches have become little more than religious social clubs. However there are still many - including many in this town - where people are encountering God. I wonder if anyone claiming dogmatically that Jesus/God doe snot exist would be willing to visit one of these and talk to the members about what Jesus has done for them. Visitors are always very welcome at churches. You don't need to phone us first to ask permission.[/p][/quote]Doe snot definitely exists - I had one sneeze on me once. The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man

11:35am Thu 23 Jan 14

PaulD says...

Occasional Commentator wrote:
Jesus said that He would continue His work through the church. Sadly over the years some churches have become little more than religious social clubs. However there are still many - including many in this town - where people are encountering God. I wonder if anyone claiming dogmatically that Jesus/God doe snot exist would be willing to visit one of these and talk to the members about what Jesus has done for them. Visitors are always very welcome at churches. You don't need to phone us first to ask permission.
are you implying that Jesus was/is real or you referring to Jesus as a metaphor for something else?
[quote][p][bold]Occasional Commentator[/bold] wrote: Jesus said that He would continue His work through the church. Sadly over the years some churches have become little more than religious social clubs. However there are still many - including many in this town - where people are encountering God. I wonder if anyone claiming dogmatically that Jesus/God doe snot exist would be willing to visit one of these and talk to the members about what Jesus has done for them. Visitors are always very welcome at churches. You don't need to phone us first to ask permission.[/p][/quote]are you implying that Jesus was/is real or you referring to Jesus as a metaphor for something else? PaulD

1:18pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Phantom Poster says...

So his belief system system is based on someone recovering from an ilness better than a doctor expected, coinciding with a neighbour praying.

Why didn't the concept of doctors being fallible enter into his head? Then again, maybe the pope was his doctor ;-)
So his belief system system is based on someone recovering from an ilness better than a doctor expected, coinciding with a neighbour praying. Why didn't the concept of doctors being fallible enter into his head? Then again, maybe the pope was his doctor ;-) Phantom Poster

1:26pm Thu 23 Jan 14

mrwoo says...

Did Jesus ever do a poo, coz I can't find anything in my bible?
Did Jesus ever do a poo, coz I can't find anything in my bible? mrwoo

1:50pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Phantom Poster says...

mrwoo wrote:
Did Jesus ever do a poo, coz I can't find anything in my bible?
Does the queen do a poo? I've never seen a reference to that in literature either - your point is?

Tell me, have you ever made a sensible or at the very least humerous comment here?
[quote][p][bold]mrwoo[/bold] wrote: Did Jesus ever do a poo, coz I can't find anything in my bible?[/p][/quote]Does the queen do a poo? I've never seen a reference to that in literature either - your point is? Tell me, have you ever made a sensible or at the very least humerous comment here? Phantom Poster

1:51pm Thu 23 Jan 14

house on the hill says...

Occasional Commentator wrote:
Jesus said that He would continue His work through the church. Sadly over the years some churches have become little more than religious social clubs. However there are still many - including many in this town - where people are encountering God. I wonder if anyone claiming dogmatically that Jesus/God doe snot exist would be willing to visit one of these and talk to the members about what Jesus has done for them.

Visitors are always very welcome at churches. You don't need to phone us first to ask permission.
I think you will find it is the belief system that exists around all this is what has helped them unless you are telling us he attends your meetings? Belief, faith, crutch, self help, group help, call it what you will, there is no actual proof of existence.

And I am not condemning it, just putting it into a reality perspective. Whatever works for you is fine, but please don't firstly pretend it in some way makes you better than others or that you are categorically right and others are wrong, the only "truth" is that we just dont know, so it is up to the individual what they choose to believe or not.
[quote][p][bold]Occasional Commentator[/bold] wrote: Jesus said that He would continue His work through the church. Sadly over the years some churches have become little more than religious social clubs. However there are still many - including many in this town - where people are encountering God. I wonder if anyone claiming dogmatically that Jesus/God doe snot exist would be willing to visit one of these and talk to the members about what Jesus has done for them. Visitors are always very welcome at churches. You don't need to phone us first to ask permission.[/p][/quote]I think you will find it is the belief system that exists around all this is what has helped them unless you are telling us he attends your meetings? Belief, faith, crutch, self help, group help, call it what you will, there is no actual proof of existence. And I am not condemning it, just putting it into a reality perspective. Whatever works for you is fine, but please don't firstly pretend it in some way makes you better than others or that you are categorically right and others are wrong, the only "truth" is that we just dont know, so it is up to the individual what they choose to believe or not. house on the hill

8:32pm Thu 23 Jan 14

timt1964 says...

you have to be real to be born.i hate the people who answer " god doesnt exist" with "you cant prove he doesnt".its blatantly obvious "he" is a hoax,a story twisted by all kinds of people to suit their own misguided beliefs.if "god/jesus" are so powerful and the almighty,how come their are allsorts of different gods to choose from? load of old hogwash.
you have to be real to be born.i hate the people who answer " god doesnt exist" with "you cant prove he doesnt".its blatantly obvious "he" is a hoax,a story twisted by all kinds of people to suit their own misguided beliefs.if "god/jesus" are so powerful and the almighty,how come their are allsorts of different gods to choose from? load of old hogwash. timt1964

9:23pm Thu 30 Jan 14

mrwoo says...

Phantom Poster wrote:
mrwoo wrote:
Did Jesus ever do a poo, coz I can't find anything in my bible?
Does the queen do a poo? I've never seen a reference to that in literature either - your point is?

Tell me, have you ever made a sensible or at the very least humerous comment here?
you r a gay!
[quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrwoo[/bold] wrote: Did Jesus ever do a poo, coz I can't find anything in my bible?[/p][/quote]Does the queen do a poo? I've never seen a reference to that in literature either - your point is? Tell me, have you ever made a sensible or at the very least humerous comment here?[/p][/quote]you r a gay! mrwoo

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