Politicians set to deal with population boom

MANY challenges lie ahead to meet the healthcare, social and housing needs of the town after it emerged that Swindon’s population is the third fastest growing in the entire country.

Latest figures from thinktank Centre For Cities listed the town as experiencing the third highest population growth in the past ten years, with almost 30,000 more people living here in 2012 than in 2002.

Numbers jumped from 182,100 to 211,900 in 2012. The population grew by thousands with the creation of the Wichelstowe development along the M4.

Huge new suburbs are planned in the rest of the decade in and around Swindon.

Although the housing needs of an increasing population are well on their way to being met, accommodating residents’ other needs, as well as improving infrastructure, they will place added pressure on the borough, politicians admit.

But these are already being tackled, according to Coun Brian Mattock.

The cabinet member for health and adult social care said everything was being put in place to ensure care did not fall by the wayside as the population continued to rise.

He said: “In 2011/2012, mid-year we added £3m to the adult social care budget to take into account the increase and its pressure on the budget. “In 2012/2013 our cost stayed within budget and this year we will also be within budget.”

The creation of the Better Care Fund at a national level, which will see funds previously allocated to acute care used to improve community support and health and social care, will be a help in ensuring all the bases are covered in terms of prevention in Swindon, he said.

Infrastructure should also be a top priority over the next few years, says South Swindon MP Robert Buckland. Despite the challenges ahead, he said Swindon’s continued growth should be celebrated.

“We have had a fast-growing population which has produced both challenges and opportunities,” he said.

Council leader David Renard said: “Growth is what we want to see and this report highlights what we have known for a long time, that Swindon has a great deal going for it. “The proof is that those in the unsentimental world of commerce, industry and property development agree.

“This is good news, but it brings with it responsibilities. “We have been preparing our Local Plan for some time, which will guide all development in the borough to 2026, “And we are already delivering some transport projects by improving the capacity of Great Western Way.”

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10:21am Mon 10 Feb 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

I wonder how many of those people actually work in Swindon?
I wonder how many of those people actually work in Swindon? The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man

10:44am Mon 10 Feb 14

EmmBee says...

I wonder how many of those people pay Council Tax !
I wonder how many of those people pay Council Tax ! EmmBee

11:28am Mon 10 Feb 14

swindondad says...

I do wish that those posters who continuingly look for a downside would see that Swindon is obviously not such a bad place to live.

If it were 30,000 extra people would not have come here in the past ten years, when I first moved here 25 years ago (for a six month work placement) the town was much smaller.
I do wish that those posters who continuingly look for a downside would see that Swindon is obviously not such a bad place to live. If it were 30,000 extra people would not have come here in the past ten years, when I first moved here 25 years ago (for a six month work placement) the town was much smaller. swindondad

11:45am Mon 10 Feb 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

swindondad wrote:
I do wish that those posters who continuingly look for a downside would see that Swindon is obviously not such a bad place to live.

If it were 30,000 extra people would not have come here in the past ten years, when I first moved here 25 years ago (for a six month work placement) the town was much smaller.
It's difficult to find an upside to continued "growth" without infrastructure or local employment.

30,000+ people have come here to live because the housing is cheaper than any surrounding area, not because it is some kind of amazing place to live. There is very little else to attract anyone here, and that is why the housing is cheaper here. If Swindon had some decent infrastructure, services and amenities coupled with higher value local jobs you would see it grow much more organically and quickly.
[quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: I do wish that those posters who continuingly look for a downside would see that Swindon is obviously not such a bad place to live. If it were 30,000 extra people would not have come here in the past ten years, when I first moved here 25 years ago (for a six month work placement) the town was much smaller.[/p][/quote]It's difficult to find an upside to continued "growth" without infrastructure or local employment. 30,000+ people have come here to live because the housing is cheaper than any surrounding area, not because it is some kind of amazing place to live. There is very little else to attract anyone here, and that is why the housing is cheaper here. If Swindon had some decent infrastructure, services and amenities coupled with higher value local jobs you would see it grow much more organically and quickly. The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man

12:02pm Mon 10 Feb 14

swindondad says...

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man,

I agree that infrastructure improvements need to come hand in hand with new housing (not "in arrears" as at percent) but IMHO it is the “home / work balance” that attracts people to Swindon and lower than average house prices are only a part of that.

BTW what “services and amenities” do you feel Swindon is missing and how would you finance setting them up.
The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man, I agree that infrastructure improvements need to come hand in hand with new housing (not "in arrears" as at percent) but IMHO it is the “home / work balance” that attracts people to Swindon and lower than average house prices are only a part of that. BTW what “services and amenities” do you feel Swindon is missing and how would you finance setting them up. swindondad

12:30pm Mon 10 Feb 14

StillPav says...

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
I wonder how many of those people actually work in Swindon?
Good question.

Almost all of my neighbours work in Swindon, yet ironically, about half of my colleagues live outside of Swindon.

This would suggest Swindon has an abundance of jobs.
[quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: I wonder how many of those people actually work in Swindon?[/p][/quote]Good question. Almost all of my neighbours work in Swindon, yet ironically, about half of my colleagues live outside of Swindon. This would suggest Swindon has an abundance of jobs. StillPav

1:31pm Mon 10 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

swindondad wrote:
I do wish that those posters who continuingly look for a downside would see that Swindon is obviously not such a bad place to live.

If it were 30,000 extra people would not have come here in the past ten years, when I first moved here 25 years ago (for a six month work placement) the town was much smaller.
It's mainly due to the town's housing and property being comparatively cheap... so nothing to really boast about.

Most of the 'growth' will simply be from immigration and the multiple children of immigrants... so, again, nothing to exactly do back-flips over.
[quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: I do wish that those posters who continuingly look for a downside would see that Swindon is obviously not such a bad place to live. If it were 30,000 extra people would not have come here in the past ten years, when I first moved here 25 years ago (for a six month work placement) the town was much smaller.[/p][/quote]It's mainly due to the town's housing and property being comparatively cheap... so nothing to really boast about. Most of the 'growth' will simply be from immigration and the multiple children of immigrants... so, again, nothing to exactly do back-flips over. ChannelX

1:49pm Mon 10 Feb 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

swindondad wrote:
The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man,

I agree that infrastructure improvements need to come hand in hand with new housing (not "in arrears" as at percent) but IMHO it is the “home / work balance” that attracts people to Swindon and lower than average house prices are only a part of that.

BTW what “services and amenities” do you feel Swindon is missing and how would you finance setting them up.
Off the top of my head:

Shops that anyone would want to shop in.
Affordable leisure centres.
Theatres that have a sizeable and varied programme.
Restaurants that are not "pile them high, sell them cheap" type establishments as the majority are.
Park & Ride services that work (It would make a lot of sense to have a P&R to the train station for instance).
Water services that are not under constant pressure through over extraction and insufficient waste processing capacity.
Sufficient broadband provision throughout the borough.
Sufficient traffic planning to allow for both existing and future growth.

There's just a few for you. Some would require very little financing, some would require a lot, but most could be provided via the private sector given enough pressure from the public and some joined up thinking from the council. We're paying a fortune to a "business", Forward Swindon to promote these very thing. So far we seem to be paying a lot of money for not a whole lot of results.
[quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man, I agree that infrastructure improvements need to come hand in hand with new housing (not "in arrears" as at percent) but IMHO it is the “home / work balance” that attracts people to Swindon and lower than average house prices are only a part of that. BTW what “services and amenities” do you feel Swindon is missing and how would you finance setting them up.[/p][/quote]Off the top of my head: Shops that anyone would want to shop in. Affordable leisure centres. Theatres that have a sizeable and varied programme. Restaurants that are not "pile them high, sell them cheap" type establishments as the majority are. Park & Ride services that work (It would make a lot of sense to have a P&R to the train station for instance). Water services that are not under constant pressure through over extraction and insufficient waste processing capacity. Sufficient broadband provision throughout the borough. Sufficient traffic planning to allow for both existing and future growth. There's just a few for you. Some would require very little financing, some would require a lot, but most could be provided via the private sector given enough pressure from the public and some joined up thinking from the council. We're paying a fortune to a "business", Forward Swindon to promote these very thing. So far we seem to be paying a lot of money for not a whole lot of results. The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man

1:52pm Mon 10 Feb 14

house on the hill says...

swindondad wrote:
I do wish that those posters who continuingly look for a downside would see that Swindon is obviously not such a bad place to live.

If it were 30,000 extra people would not have come here in the past ten years, when I first moved here 25 years ago (for a six month work placement) the town was much smaller.
I think for some it is about the comparison of where they have lived before. For many they have lived her all their lives so have nothing to compare it with and visiting places is not the same as living there. For some who have lived on the coast in South Devon and in rural areas of Dorset, Surrey, Buckinghamshire and Kent, Swindon is very grey and soulless. As many others I came here for work and cheaper houses and now have family and friends here, but no it is not a place I would choose over anywhere else I have lived based purely on location and facilities.
[quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: I do wish that those posters who continuingly look for a downside would see that Swindon is obviously not such a bad place to live. If it were 30,000 extra people would not have come here in the past ten years, when I first moved here 25 years ago (for a six month work placement) the town was much smaller.[/p][/quote]I think for some it is about the comparison of where they have lived before. For many they have lived her all their lives so have nothing to compare it with and visiting places is not the same as living there. For some who have lived on the coast in South Devon and in rural areas of Dorset, Surrey, Buckinghamshire and Kent, Swindon is very grey and soulless. As many others I came here for work and cheaper houses and now have family and friends here, but no it is not a place I would choose over anywhere else I have lived based purely on location and facilities. house on the hill

2:26pm Mon 10 Feb 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

house on the hill wrote:
swindondad wrote:
I do wish that those posters who continuingly look for a downside would see that Swindon is obviously not such a bad place to live.

If it were 30,000 extra people would not have come here in the past ten years, when I first moved here 25 years ago (for a six month work placement) the town was much smaller.
I think for some it is about the comparison of where they have lived before. For many they have lived her all their lives so have nothing to compare it with and visiting places is not the same as living there. For some who have lived on the coast in South Devon and in rural areas of Dorset, Surrey, Buckinghamshire and Kent, Swindon is very grey and soulless. As many others I came here for work and cheaper houses and now have family and friends here, but no it is not a place I would choose over anywhere else I have lived based purely on location and facilities.
I've lived here my entire life and still think it's grey and soulless. Yes there are worse places (I've visited a few!), but that's not much of an advertising slogan is it:

"SWINDON! - It could be worse!"

"SWINDON! - there's more soul destroying locations to live!"

"SWINDON! - At least it's cheap!"
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: I do wish that those posters who continuingly look for a downside would see that Swindon is obviously not such a bad place to live. If it were 30,000 extra people would not have come here in the past ten years, when I first moved here 25 years ago (for a six month work placement) the town was much smaller.[/p][/quote]I think for some it is about the comparison of where they have lived before. For many they have lived her all their lives so have nothing to compare it with and visiting places is not the same as living there. For some who have lived on the coast in South Devon and in rural areas of Dorset, Surrey, Buckinghamshire and Kent, Swindon is very grey and soulless. As many others I came here for work and cheaper houses and now have family and friends here, but no it is not a place I would choose over anywhere else I have lived based purely on location and facilities.[/p][/quote]I've lived here my entire life and still think it's grey and soulless. Yes there are worse places (I've visited a few!), but that's not much of an advertising slogan is it: "SWINDON! - It could be worse!" "SWINDON! - there's more soul destroying locations to live!" "SWINDON! - At least it's cheap!" The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man

8:45am Tue 11 Feb 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

ChannelX wrote:
swindondad wrote:
I do wish that those posters who continuingly look for a downside would see that Swindon is obviously not such a bad place to live.

If it were 30,000 extra people would not have come here in the past ten years, when I first moved here 25 years ago (for a six month work placement) the town was much smaller.
It's mainly due to the town's housing and property being comparatively cheap... so nothing to really boast about.

Most of the 'growth' will simply be from immigration and the multiple children of immigrants... so, again, nothing to exactly do back-flips over.
yes, let's blame the immigrants......
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: I do wish that those posters who continuingly look for a downside would see that Swindon is obviously not such a bad place to live. If it were 30,000 extra people would not have come here in the past ten years, when I first moved here 25 years ago (for a six month work placement) the town was much smaller.[/p][/quote]It's mainly due to the town's housing and property being comparatively cheap... so nothing to really boast about. Most of the 'growth' will simply be from immigration and the multiple children of immigrants... so, again, nothing to exactly do back-flips over.[/p][/quote]yes, let's blame the immigrants...... A.Baron-Cohen

10:15am Tue 11 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
swindondad wrote:
I do wish that those posters who continuingly look for a downside would see that Swindon is obviously not such a bad place to live.

If it were 30,000 extra people would not have come here in the past ten years, when I first moved here 25 years ago (for a six month work placement) the town was much smaller.
It's mainly due to the town's housing and property being comparatively cheap... so nothing to really boast about.

Most of the 'growth' will simply be from immigration and the multiple children of immigrants... so, again, nothing to exactly do back-flips over.
yes, let's blame the immigrants......
It is not 'blaming' anyone to simply state the documented fact that most of the town's increase in population over the last decade is due to immigration and immigrants tending to have larger numbers of children than non-immigrants.

Somewhat ironically, you should be well aware of the phenomenon given that you are an immigrant with children yourself.
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: I do wish that those posters who continuingly look for a downside would see that Swindon is obviously not such a bad place to live. If it were 30,000 extra people would not have come here in the past ten years, when I first moved here 25 years ago (for a six month work placement) the town was much smaller.[/p][/quote]It's mainly due to the town's housing and property being comparatively cheap... so nothing to really boast about. Most of the 'growth' will simply be from immigration and the multiple children of immigrants... so, again, nothing to exactly do back-flips over.[/p][/quote]yes, let's blame the immigrants......[/p][/quote]It is not 'blaming' anyone to simply state the documented fact that most of the town's increase in population over the last decade is due to immigration and immigrants tending to have larger numbers of children than non-immigrants. Somewhat ironically, you should be well aware of the phenomenon given that you are an immigrant with children yourself. ChannelX

10:16am Tue 11 Feb 14

benzss says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
swindondad wrote:
I do wish that those posters who continuingly look for a downside would see that Swindon is obviously not such a bad place to live.

If it were 30,000 extra people would not have come here in the past ten years, when I first moved here 25 years ago (for a six month work placement) the town was much smaller.
It's mainly due to the town's housing and property being comparatively cheap... so nothing to really boast about.

Most of the 'growth' will simply be from immigration and the multiple children of immigrants... so, again, nothing to exactly do back-flips over.
yes, let's blame the immigrants......
You've won 'Who's Today's Bogeyman in the Slightly Controversial Adver Article' bingo!

The winning answer was 'Immigrants'!

Well done!
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: I do wish that those posters who continuingly look for a downside would see that Swindon is obviously not such a bad place to live. If it were 30,000 extra people would not have come here in the past ten years, when I first moved here 25 years ago (for a six month work placement) the town was much smaller.[/p][/quote]It's mainly due to the town's housing and property being comparatively cheap... so nothing to really boast about. Most of the 'growth' will simply be from immigration and the multiple children of immigrants... so, again, nothing to exactly do back-flips over.[/p][/quote]yes, let's blame the immigrants......[/p][/quote]You've won 'Who's Today's Bogeyman in the Slightly Controversial Adver Article' bingo! The winning answer was 'Immigrants'! Well done! benzss

11:05am Tue 11 Feb 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

ChannelX wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
swindondad wrote:
I do wish that those posters who continuingly look for a downside would see that Swindon is obviously not such a bad place to live.

If it were 30,000 extra people would not have come here in the past ten years, when I first moved here 25 years ago (for a six month work placement) the town was much smaller.
It's mainly due to the town's housing and property being comparatively cheap... so nothing to really boast about.

Most of the 'growth' will simply be from immigration and the multiple children of immigrants... so, again, nothing to exactly do back-flips over.
yes, let's blame the immigrants......
It is not 'blaming' anyone to simply state the documented fact that most of the town's increase in population over the last decade is due to immigration and immigrants tending to have larger numbers of children than non-immigrants.

Somewhat ironically, you should be well aware of the phenomenon given that you are an immigrant with children yourself.
what are you suggesting to do with my children, send them to the crematorium?
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: I do wish that those posters who continuingly look for a downside would see that Swindon is obviously not such a bad place to live. If it were 30,000 extra people would not have come here in the past ten years, when I first moved here 25 years ago (for a six month work placement) the town was much smaller.[/p][/quote]It's mainly due to the town's housing and property being comparatively cheap... so nothing to really boast about. Most of the 'growth' will simply be from immigration and the multiple children of immigrants... so, again, nothing to exactly do back-flips over.[/p][/quote]yes, let's blame the immigrants......[/p][/quote]It is not 'blaming' anyone to simply state the documented fact that most of the town's increase in population over the last decade is due to immigration and immigrants tending to have larger numbers of children than non-immigrants. Somewhat ironically, you should be well aware of the phenomenon given that you are an immigrant with children yourself.[/p][/quote]what are you suggesting to do with my children, send them to the crematorium? A.Baron-Cohen

11:17am Tue 11 Feb 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

benzss wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
swindondad wrote:
I do wish that those posters who continuingly look for a downside would see that Swindon is obviously not such a bad place to live.

If it were 30,000 extra people would not have come here in the past ten years, when I first moved here 25 years ago (for a six month work placement) the town was much smaller.
It's mainly due to the town's housing and property being comparatively cheap... so nothing to really boast about.

Most of the 'growth' will simply be from immigration and the multiple children of immigrants... so, again, nothing to exactly do back-flips over.
yes, let's blame the immigrants......
You've won 'Who's Today's Bogeyman in the Slightly Controversial Adver Article' bingo!

The winning answer was 'Immigrants'!

Well done!
Well as we know, immigrants are responsible for everything is going wrong in the UK, it is a well documented fact.
[quote][p][bold]benzss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: I do wish that those posters who continuingly look for a downside would see that Swindon is obviously not such a bad place to live. If it were 30,000 extra people would not have come here in the past ten years, when I first moved here 25 years ago (for a six month work placement) the town was much smaller.[/p][/quote]It's mainly due to the town's housing and property being comparatively cheap... so nothing to really boast about. Most of the 'growth' will simply be from immigration and the multiple children of immigrants... so, again, nothing to exactly do back-flips over.[/p][/quote]yes, let's blame the immigrants......[/p][/quote]You've won 'Who's Today's Bogeyman in the Slightly Controversial Adver Article' bingo! The winning answer was 'Immigrants'! Well done![/p][/quote]Well as we know, immigrants are responsible for everything is going wrong in the UK, it is a well documented fact. A.Baron-Cohen

12:40pm Tue 11 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
swindondad wrote:
I do wish that those posters who continuingly look for a downside would see that Swindon is obviously not such a bad place to live.

If it were 30,000 extra people would not have come here in the past ten years, when I first moved here 25 years ago (for a six month work placement) the town was much smaller.
It's mainly due to the town's housing and property being comparatively cheap... so nothing to really boast about.

Most of the 'growth' will simply be from immigration and the multiple children of immigrants... so, again, nothing to exactly do back-flips over.
yes, let's blame the immigrants......
It is not 'blaming' anyone to simply state the documented fact that most of the town's increase in population over the last decade is due to immigration and immigrants tending to have larger numbers of children than non-immigrants.

Somewhat ironically, you should be well aware of the phenomenon given that you are an immigrant with children yourself.
what are you suggesting to do with my children, send them to the crematorium?
Er, probably not just yet, no.

But what has that got to do with the fact that immigrants to the UK generally tend to have more offspring than indigenous citizens?

This, rather obviously, leads to otherwise unexpected rises in population:


Data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) shows there has been a steady increase in the number of children born to mothers who were born abroad since 2001, when the figure stood at 15.3 per cent, to the current figure of 25.2 per cent.

The ONS said fertility rates for non-UK born women are higher than those born in the UK. The total fertility rate for women born in the UK is 1.89 children each, while for those born outside the UK the figure is 2.28.


Just because the reality may make you feel uncomfortable, or be something you'd rather was kept quiet under threat of labelling others 'rascist', doesn't make it any less of a reality.
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: I do wish that those posters who continuingly look for a downside would see that Swindon is obviously not such a bad place to live. If it were 30,000 extra people would not have come here in the past ten years, when I first moved here 25 years ago (for a six month work placement) the town was much smaller.[/p][/quote]It's mainly due to the town's housing and property being comparatively cheap... so nothing to really boast about. Most of the 'growth' will simply be from immigration and the multiple children of immigrants... so, again, nothing to exactly do back-flips over.[/p][/quote]yes, let's blame the immigrants......[/p][/quote]It is not 'blaming' anyone to simply state the documented fact that most of the town's increase in population over the last decade is due to immigration and immigrants tending to have larger numbers of children than non-immigrants. Somewhat ironically, you should be well aware of the phenomenon given that you are an immigrant with children yourself.[/p][/quote]what are you suggesting to do with my children, send them to the crematorium?[/p][/quote]Er, probably not just yet, no. But what has that got to do with the fact that immigrants to the UK generally tend to have more offspring than indigenous citizens? This, rather obviously, leads to otherwise unexpected rises in population: [quote] Data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) shows there has been a steady increase in the number of children born to mothers who were born abroad since 2001, when the figure stood at 15.3 per cent, to the current figure of 25.2 per cent. The ONS said fertility rates for non-UK born women are higher than those born in the UK. The total fertility rate for women born in the UK is 1.89 children each, while for those born outside the UK the figure is 2.28. [/quote] Just because the reality may make you feel uncomfortable, or be something you'd rather was kept quiet under threat of labelling others 'rascist', doesn't make it any less of a reality. ChannelX

2:18pm Tue 11 Feb 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

ChannelX wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
swindondad wrote:
I do wish that those posters who continuingly look for a downside would see that Swindon is obviously not such a bad place to live.

If it were 30,000 extra people would not have come here in the past ten years, when I first moved here 25 years ago (for a six month work placement) the town was much smaller.
It's mainly due to the town's housing and property being comparatively cheap... so nothing to really boast about.

Most of the 'growth' will simply be from immigration and the multiple children of immigrants... so, again, nothing to exactly do back-flips over.
yes, let's blame the immigrants......
It is not 'blaming' anyone to simply state the documented fact that most of the town's increase in population over the last decade is due to immigration and immigrants tending to have larger numbers of children than non-immigrants.

Somewhat ironically, you should be well aware of the phenomenon given that you are an immigrant with children yourself.
what are you suggesting to do with my children, send them to the crematorium?
Er, probably not just yet, no.

But what has that got to do with the fact that immigrants to the UK generally tend to have more offspring than indigenous citizens?

This, rather obviously, leads to otherwise unexpected rises in population:


Data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) shows there has been a steady increase in the number of children born to mothers who were born abroad since 2001, when the figure stood at 15.3 per cent, to the current figure of 25.2 per cent.

The ONS said fertility rates for non-UK born women are higher than those born in the UK. The total fertility rate for women born in the UK is 1.89 children each, while for those born outside the UK the figure is 2.28.


Just because the reality may make you feel uncomfortable, or be something you'd rather was kept quiet under threat of labelling others 'rascist', doesn't make it any less of a reality.
I think it would be great to sterilize immigrants, are you running for an election anytime soon?
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: I do wish that those posters who continuingly look for a downside would see that Swindon is obviously not such a bad place to live. If it were 30,000 extra people would not have come here in the past ten years, when I first moved here 25 years ago (for a six month work placement) the town was much smaller.[/p][/quote]It's mainly due to the town's housing and property being comparatively cheap... so nothing to really boast about. Most of the 'growth' will simply be from immigration and the multiple children of immigrants... so, again, nothing to exactly do back-flips over.[/p][/quote]yes, let's blame the immigrants......[/p][/quote]It is not 'blaming' anyone to simply state the documented fact that most of the town's increase in population over the last decade is due to immigration and immigrants tending to have larger numbers of children than non-immigrants. Somewhat ironically, you should be well aware of the phenomenon given that you are an immigrant with children yourself.[/p][/quote]what are you suggesting to do with my children, send them to the crematorium?[/p][/quote]Er, probably not just yet, no. But what has that got to do with the fact that immigrants to the UK generally tend to have more offspring than indigenous citizens? This, rather obviously, leads to otherwise unexpected rises in population: [quote] Data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) shows there has been a steady increase in the number of children born to mothers who were born abroad since 2001, when the figure stood at 15.3 per cent, to the current figure of 25.2 per cent. The ONS said fertility rates for non-UK born women are higher than those born in the UK. The total fertility rate for women born in the UK is 1.89 children each, while for those born outside the UK the figure is 2.28. [/quote] Just because the reality may make you feel uncomfortable, or be something you'd rather was kept quiet under threat of labelling others 'rascist', doesn't make it any less of a reality.[/p][/quote]I think it would be great to sterilize immigrants, are you running for an election anytime soon? A.Baron-Cohen

5:50pm Tue 11 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
swindondad wrote:
I do wish that those posters who continuingly look for a downside would see that Swindon is obviously not such a bad place to live.

If it were 30,000 extra people would not have come here in the past ten years, when I first moved here 25 years ago (for a six month work placement) the town was much smaller.
It's mainly due to the town's housing and property being comparatively cheap... so nothing to really boast about.

Most of the 'growth' will simply be from immigration and the multiple children of immigrants... so, again, nothing to exactly do back-flips over.
yes, let's blame the immigrants......
It is not 'blaming' anyone to simply state the documented fact that most of the town's increase in population over the last decade is due to immigration and immigrants tending to have larger numbers of children than non-immigrants.

Somewhat ironically, you should be well aware of the phenomenon given that you are an immigrant with children yourself.
what are you suggesting to do with my children, send them to the crematorium?
Er, probably not just yet, no.

But what has that got to do with the fact that immigrants to the UK generally tend to have more offspring than indigenous citizens?

This, rather obviously, leads to otherwise unexpected rises in population:


Data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) shows there has been a steady increase in the number of children born to mothers who were born abroad since 2001, when the figure stood at 15.3 per cent, to the current figure of 25.2 per cent.

The ONS said fertility rates for non-UK born women are higher than those born in the UK. The total fertility rate for women born in the UK is 1.89 children each, while for those born outside the UK the figure is 2.28.


Just because the reality may make you feel uncomfortable, or be something you'd rather was kept quiet under threat of labelling others 'rascist', doesn't make it any less of a reality.
I think it would be great to sterilize immigrants, are you running for an election anytime soon?
That doesn' really work. Trying to deflect attention from the legitimate, and entirely correct, argument about immigration being the primary cause of population growth in the UK but mentioning 'crematoriums' and 'sterilisation' just makes you seem like a crackpot.

Or someone desperate not to discuss the actual known facts.

Are you embarrassed about the reality, or something?
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: I do wish that those posters who continuingly look for a downside would see that Swindon is obviously not such a bad place to live. If it were 30,000 extra people would not have come here in the past ten years, when I first moved here 25 years ago (for a six month work placement) the town was much smaller.[/p][/quote]It's mainly due to the town's housing and property being comparatively cheap... so nothing to really boast about. Most of the 'growth' will simply be from immigration and the multiple children of immigrants... so, again, nothing to exactly do back-flips over.[/p][/quote]yes, let's blame the immigrants......[/p][/quote]It is not 'blaming' anyone to simply state the documented fact that most of the town's increase in population over the last decade is due to immigration and immigrants tending to have larger numbers of children than non-immigrants. Somewhat ironically, you should be well aware of the phenomenon given that you are an immigrant with children yourself.[/p][/quote]what are you suggesting to do with my children, send them to the crematorium?[/p][/quote]Er, probably not just yet, no. But what has that got to do with the fact that immigrants to the UK generally tend to have more offspring than indigenous citizens? This, rather obviously, leads to otherwise unexpected rises in population: [quote] Data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) shows there has been a steady increase in the number of children born to mothers who were born abroad since 2001, when the figure stood at 15.3 per cent, to the current figure of 25.2 per cent. The ONS said fertility rates for non-UK born women are higher than those born in the UK. The total fertility rate for women born in the UK is 1.89 children each, while for those born outside the UK the figure is 2.28. [/quote] Just because the reality may make you feel uncomfortable, or be something you'd rather was kept quiet under threat of labelling others 'rascist', doesn't make it any less of a reality.[/p][/quote]I think it would be great to sterilize immigrants, are you running for an election anytime soon?[/p][/quote]That doesn' really work. Trying to deflect attention from the legitimate, and entirely correct, argument about immigration being the primary cause of population growth in the UK but mentioning 'crematoriums' and 'sterilisation' just makes you seem like a crackpot. Or someone desperate not to discuss the actual known facts. Are you embarrassed about the reality, or something? ChannelX

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