Striking firemen at Drove fire station

This Is Wiltshire: Striking firemen at Drove fire station Striking firemen at Drove fire station

SWINDON firefighters held the first of three strikes yesterday, highlighting the ongoing national dispute between the Fire Brigades’ Union and the Government over pension reforms.

This is the latest industrial action by firefighters protesting against plans for them to pay higher pension contributions, work into their late 50s before retiring and face being be sacked if their fitness declines as they get older.

Yesterday crews across the country protested between noon and 5pm and the Drove Road crew said they were pleased by the support they received from the public while picketing.

Andy Edmonson, who is based at the station, said: “I think it is important for all firefighters to strike and show the displeasure which is out there. “Everyone wants this to come to an end and for the Government to reach an amicable agreement with us. “We’ve had lots of strong support from the people walking by and a lot of motorists have beeped to back our cause which we appreciate.”

A second national strike is taking place between 2pm and 2am today so the Drove Road station will not be offering the usual extra parking to Swindon Town supporters going to the match at the County Ground against Rotheram.

The latest industrial action will come to a close after a third strike between 10am and 3pm tomorrow.

During the strikes, Wiltshire Fire and Rescue Service is providing a reduced emergency response with fire cover available throughout the region.

Yesterday, a crew from Cricklade and one of the service’s resilience appliances attended a fork lift truck fire, caused by a battery fault, at South Marston Industrial Estate.

There were also false alarms in Brookdene, Haydon Leigh and premises in Faraday Road, Dorcan.

Chief fire officer Simon Routh-Jones has called for residents to take extra care during the strikes. Speaking before the industrial action, he said: “While the action is ongoing, we will still respond to 999 calls but it may take us a little longer than usual to arrive. “We would therefore urge everyone to take extra care to stay safe, which will hopefully reduce the number of calls we receive.”

Yesterday, an email purporting to be from the Government’s Minister Brandon Lewis to fire authority chiefs, said that there had been a pension offer ready to send to the FBU since March 19, which they’ve chosen not to put forward.

Brent Thornley, the FBU’s south west secretary, said: “The strike action is important as a way of making the Government take us seriously and put a pension proposal in front of us.

“Until we see it we cannot make a decision on it and bring the strike action to an end.

“We are not going out demanding more or better conditions, we just want decent talks with the Government and to see the offer. “It is interesting that during the floods the Government was giving us regular praise for our work and now that has been dealt with communications seem to have gone quiet again.”

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6:01am Sat 3 May 14

Blind Fury says...

Yesterday, an email purporting to be from the Government’s Minister Brandon Lewis to fire authority chiefs, said that there had been a pension offer ready to send to the FBU since March 19, which they’ve chosen not to put forward.


So, Brandon Lewis is to blame for these strikes going ahead then? Why oh why does this fella continue to goad the public sector and try to turn the general public against them? By simply putting these revised proposals forward in writing, it would have averted this unwanted action.
I do hope both ACAS and Mr Cameron give Mr Lewis a wrap on the knuckles and order him to get back into negotiations....very embarrassing for the government indeed!!
Yesterday, an email purporting to be from the Government’s Minister Brandon Lewis to fire authority chiefs, said that there had been a pension offer ready to send to the FBU since March 19, which they’ve chosen not to put forward. So, Brandon Lewis is to blame for these strikes going ahead then? Why oh why does this fella continue to goad the public sector and try to turn the general public against them? By simply putting these revised proposals forward in writing, it would have averted this unwanted action. I do hope both ACAS and Mr Cameron give Mr Lewis a wrap on the knuckles and order him to get back into negotiations....very embarrassing for the government indeed!! Blind Fury
  • Score: 4

3:01pm Sat 3 May 14

house on the hill says...

Still not sure why the firemen think they should be some sort of special case.

Firstly, there are millions of us who have had our contracts changed and our final salary pensions we were promised taken away completely , so stop being so selfish and arrogant.

Secondly to provide the same level of pension income at 55 to someone who doesnt have a final salary pension would at current interest rates require between 25 and 30% of their income being saved each year. The firemen currently pay 8.5% so the taxpayer is topping up their pensions by 20% of their salary every year, nice if you can get it.

Thirdly, how many go on to get other jobs after 55? I completely changed my career after that age and started again successfully with no help from anyone but myself.

This is arrogance in the extreme that they deserve more than others. Paramedics and doctors and surgeons who save your lives dont get the luxury you get of a guaranteed pension at 55. No one denies that you do a good potentially dangerous job, but you chose it!
Still not sure why the firemen think they should be some sort of special case. Firstly, there are millions of us who have had our contracts changed and our final salary pensions we were promised taken away completely , so stop being so selfish and arrogant. Secondly to provide the same level of pension income at 55 to someone who doesnt have a final salary pension would at current interest rates require between 25 and 30% of their income being saved each year. The firemen currently pay 8.5% so the taxpayer is topping up their pensions by 20% of their salary every year, nice if you can get it. Thirdly, how many go on to get other jobs after 55? I completely changed my career after that age and started again successfully with no help from anyone but myself. This is arrogance in the extreme that they deserve more than others. Paramedics and doctors and surgeons who save your lives dont get the luxury you get of a guaranteed pension at 55. No one denies that you do a good potentially dangerous job, but you chose it! house on the hill
  • Score: 0

11:11pm Sat 3 May 14

Blind Fury says...

house on the hill wrote:
Still not sure why the firemen think they should be some sort of special case.

Firstly, there are millions of us who have had our contracts changed and our final salary pensions we were promised taken away completely , so stop being so selfish and arrogant.

Secondly to provide the same level of pension income at 55 to someone who doesnt have a final salary pension would at current interest rates require between 25 and 30% of their income being saved each year. The firemen currently pay 8.5% so the taxpayer is topping up their pensions by 20% of their salary every year, nice if you can get it.

Thirdly, how many go on to get other jobs after 55? I completely changed my career after that age and started again successfully with no help from anyone but myself.

This is arrogance in the extreme that they deserve more than others. Paramedics and doctors and surgeons who save your lives dont get the luxury you get of a guaranteed pension at 55. No one denies that you do a good potentially dangerous job, but you chose it!
Firemen pay 8.2% into their pension.....really? Would love to know where you got your highly accurate figures from?? Try 14.2%....still not high enough for you?
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: Still not sure why the firemen think they should be some sort of special case. Firstly, there are millions of us who have had our contracts changed and our final salary pensions we were promised taken away completely , so stop being so selfish and arrogant. Secondly to provide the same level of pension income at 55 to someone who doesnt have a final salary pension would at current interest rates require between 25 and 30% of their income being saved each year. The firemen currently pay 8.5% so the taxpayer is topping up their pensions by 20% of their salary every year, nice if you can get it. Thirdly, how many go on to get other jobs after 55? I completely changed my career after that age and started again successfully with no help from anyone but myself. This is arrogance in the extreme that they deserve more than others. Paramedics and doctors and surgeons who save your lives dont get the luxury you get of a guaranteed pension at 55. No one denies that you do a good potentially dangerous job, but you chose it![/p][/quote]Firemen pay 8.2% into their pension.....really? Would love to know where you got your highly accurate figures from?? Try 14.2%....still not high enough for you? Blind Fury
  • Score: 1

9:01am Sun 4 May 14

stfcdod says...

The firemen should come into the real world, like the rest of us and stop being so greedy.
The firemen should come into the real world, like the rest of us and stop being so greedy. stfcdod
  • Score: 4

9:13am Sun 4 May 14

RAS24 says...

Most people retiring now who have paid into a pension will not receive what they were promised.
Why do the firemen think they are a 'special case' and should continue to be subsidised by the taxpayer.
Most people retiring now who have paid into a pension will not receive what they were promised. Why do the firemen think they are a 'special case' and should continue to be subsidised by the taxpayer. RAS24
  • Score: 6

11:18am Sun 4 May 14

trolley dolley says...

Why don't the malcontents just leave and let someone else do the job.

Try acting like professionals for a change in stead of militant trade unionists.

You may get a little more respect.
Why don't the malcontents just leave and let someone else do the job. Try acting like professionals for a change in stead of militant trade unionists. You may get a little more respect. trolley dolley
  • Score: 4

12:03pm Sun 4 May 14

beach1e says...

there are plenty of people who cant get work that would be thrilled to get the pay and conditions that firemen get.
there are plenty of people who cant get work that would be thrilled to get the pay and conditions that firemen get. beach1e
  • Score: 1

1:28pm Sun 4 May 14

house on the hill says...

Blind Fury wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
Still not sure why the firemen think they should be some sort of special case.

Firstly, there are millions of us who have had our contracts changed and our final salary pensions we were promised taken away completely , so stop being so selfish and arrogant.

Secondly to provide the same level of pension income at 55 to someone who doesnt have a final salary pension would at current interest rates require between 25 and 30% of their income being saved each year. The firemen currently pay 8.5% so the taxpayer is topping up their pensions by 20% of their salary every year, nice if you can get it.

Thirdly, how many go on to get other jobs after 55? I completely changed my career after that age and started again successfully with no help from anyone but myself.

This is arrogance in the extreme that they deserve more than others. Paramedics and doctors and surgeons who save your lives dont get the luxury you get of a guaranteed pension at 55. No one denies that you do a good potentially dangerous job, but you chose it!
Firemen pay 8.2% into their pension.....really? Would love to know where you got your highly accurate figures from?? Try 14.2%....still not high enough for you?
Still less than half of what it costs to provide their pensions, why should they get an extra 15% of taxpayers money every year paid to them which is basically what happens if you had ever worked in the pension industry you would know. My employers put 6% into mine so yes it still isn't enough! Sorry you are not a special case and as I said totally arrogant to believe you are.
[quote][p][bold]Blind Fury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: Still not sure why the firemen think they should be some sort of special case. Firstly, there are millions of us who have had our contracts changed and our final salary pensions we were promised taken away completely , so stop being so selfish and arrogant. Secondly to provide the same level of pension income at 55 to someone who doesnt have a final salary pension would at current interest rates require between 25 and 30% of their income being saved each year. The firemen currently pay 8.5% so the taxpayer is topping up their pensions by 20% of their salary every year, nice if you can get it. Thirdly, how many go on to get other jobs after 55? I completely changed my career after that age and started again successfully with no help from anyone but myself. This is arrogance in the extreme that they deserve more than others. Paramedics and doctors and surgeons who save your lives dont get the luxury you get of a guaranteed pension at 55. No one denies that you do a good potentially dangerous job, but you chose it![/p][/quote]Firemen pay 8.2% into their pension.....really? Would love to know where you got your highly accurate figures from?? Try 14.2%....still not high enough for you?[/p][/quote]Still less than half of what it costs to provide their pensions, why should they get an extra 15% of taxpayers money every year paid to them which is basically what happens if you had ever worked in the pension industry you would know. My employers put 6% into mine so yes it still isn't enough! Sorry you are not a special case and as I said totally arrogant to believe you are. house on the hill
  • Score: 2

2:05pm Sun 4 May 14

trolley dolley says...

Latest news from the Advertiser;

Third and final fire strike begins in Swindon.

Anyone like to bet on it.
Latest news from the Advertiser; Third and final fire strike begins in Swindon. Anyone like to bet on it. trolley dolley
  • Score: 3

5:14pm Sun 4 May 14

ChannelX says...

trolley dolley wrote:
Latest news from the Advertiser;

Third and final fire strike begins in Swindon.

Anyone like to bet on it.
Like all the other public sector unions, they'll keep striking until such time as their puppet Labour party wins a general election.

The strikes will all 'mysteriously' stop once that happens.
[quote][p][bold]trolley dolley[/bold] wrote: Latest news from the Advertiser; Third and final fire strike begins in Swindon. Anyone like to bet on it.[/p][/quote]Like all the other public sector unions, they'll keep striking until such time as their puppet Labour party wins a general election. The strikes will all 'mysteriously' stop once that happens. ChannelX
  • Score: 1

7:00pm Sun 4 May 14

Davey Gravey says...

The usual right wing drivel from the same d1ck heads.
All the best fire fighters.
The usual right wing drivel from the same d1ck heads. All the best fire fighters. Davey Gravey
  • Score: -5

8:31pm Sun 4 May 14

knittynora says...

beach1e wrote:
there are plenty of people who cant get work that would be thrilled to get the pay and conditions that firemen get.
I bet they wouldn't be thrilled to have to rescue people from burning buildings, cut mutilated bodies out of car smashes and clean up chemical spills though.
[quote][p][bold]beach1e[/bold] wrote: there are plenty of people who cant get work that would be thrilled to get the pay and conditions that firemen get.[/p][/quote]I bet they wouldn't be thrilled to have to rescue people from burning buildings, cut mutilated bodies out of car smashes and clean up chemical spills though. knittynora
  • Score: 1

8:47pm Sun 4 May 14

stfcdod says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
The usual right wing drivel from the same d1ck heads.
All the best fire fighters.
More of the usual left-wing tripe.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: The usual right wing drivel from the same d1ck heads. All the best fire fighters.[/p][/quote]More of the usual left-wing tripe. stfcdod
  • Score: 5

9:14am Mon 5 May 14

ChannelX says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
The usual right wing drivel from the same d1ck heads.
All the best fire fighters.
And yet, on another thread:


Davey Gravey wrote:
Prime examples of sterilisation enforcement. Add to that honest people who would have wanted that checkout job. Scum


Seems you realise the left-wing approach doesn't work, yet you still bang on about it in some threads.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: The usual right wing drivel from the same d1ck heads. All the best fire fighters.[/p][/quote]And yet, on another thread: [quote] Davey Gravey wrote: Prime examples of sterilisation enforcement. Add to that honest people who would have wanted that checkout job. Scum [/quote] Seems you realise the left-wing approach doesn't work, yet you still bang on about it in some threads. ChannelX
  • Score: 1

12:25pm Mon 5 May 14

express_a_view says...

A strike happens invariably when there is a breakdown in talks. It is intellectually lazy just to apportion blame on the trade union. It takes two sides to talk and it appears to me that it is the government who is opting out.

Tax Research UK listed the ways in which the chancellor, George Osborne, had changed the tax regime for the largest corporations, and calculated that these concessions would cost the exchequer between £5bn and £10bn a year over the next six years. When we can refuse to even seek tax owed from big corporations and then offer them ever more concessions I will not turn my angst on public sector workers for refusing to see their terms and conditions trampled over. Good luck to the FBU it should not be race to the bottom for frontline workers and money thrown at corporate businesses and their executive bonuses.
A strike happens invariably when there is a breakdown in talks. It is intellectually lazy just to apportion blame on the trade union. It takes two sides to talk and it appears to me that it is the government who is opting out. Tax Research UK listed the ways in which the chancellor, George Osborne, had changed the tax regime for the largest corporations, and calculated that these concessions would cost the exchequer between £5bn and £10bn a year over the next six years. When we can refuse to even seek tax owed from big corporations and then offer them ever more concessions I will not turn my angst on public sector workers for refusing to see their terms and conditions trampled over. Good luck to the FBU it should not be race to the bottom for frontline workers and money thrown at corporate businesses and their executive bonuses. express_a_view
  • Score: 4

3:13pm Mon 5 May 14

Davey Gravey says...

stfcdod wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
The usual right wing drivel from the same d1ck heads.
All the best fire fighters.
More of the usual left-wing tripe.
I would try to reason with you, if I thought you had a brain. Doh
[quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: The usual right wing drivel from the same d1ck heads. All the best fire fighters.[/p][/quote]More of the usual left-wing tripe.[/p][/quote]I would try to reason with you, if I thought you had a brain. Doh Davey Gravey
  • Score: 0

3:14pm Mon 5 May 14

Davey Gravey says...

ChannelX wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
The usual right wing drivel from the same d1ck heads.
All the best fire fighters.
And yet, on another thread:


Davey Gravey wrote:
Prime examples of sterilisation enforcement. Add to that honest people who would have wanted that checkout job. Scum


Seems you realise the left-wing approach doesn't work, yet you still bang on about it in some threads.
A ridiculous comparison, From the master of spin.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: The usual right wing drivel from the same d1ck heads. All the best fire fighters.[/p][/quote]And yet, on another thread: [quote] Davey Gravey wrote: Prime examples of sterilisation enforcement. Add to that honest people who would have wanted that checkout job. Scum [/quote] Seems you realise the left-wing approach doesn't work, yet you still bang on about it in some threads.[/p][/quote]A ridiculous comparison, From the master of spin. Davey Gravey
  • Score: 1

1:55pm Tue 6 May 14

ChannelX says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
The usual right wing drivel from the same d1ck heads.
All the best fire fighters.
And yet, on another thread:


Davey Gravey wrote:
Prime examples of sterilisation enforcement. Add to that honest people who would have wanted that checkout job. Scum


Seems you realise the left-wing approach doesn't work, yet you still bang on about it in some threads.
A ridiculous comparison, From the master of spin.
Not at all.

On one thread you're doing your weird, 'Up the workers! Here, take more of my money' routine... and on another you're calling for the very people created by your left-wing ideologies to be sterilised by force.

You can't really continually insult other people for their views when some of yours are as hypocritically offensive as it gets.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: The usual right wing drivel from the same d1ck heads. All the best fire fighters.[/p][/quote]And yet, on another thread: [quote] Davey Gravey wrote: Prime examples of sterilisation enforcement. Add to that honest people who would have wanted that checkout job. Scum [/quote] Seems you realise the left-wing approach doesn't work, yet you still bang on about it in some threads.[/p][/quote]A ridiculous comparison, From the master of spin.[/p][/quote]Not at all. On one thread you're doing your weird, 'Up the workers! Here, take more of my money' routine... and on another you're calling for the very people created by your left-wing ideologies to be sterilised by force. You can't really continually insult other people for their views when some of yours are as hypocritically offensive as it gets. ChannelX
  • Score: 2

3:14pm Tue 6 May 14

Davey Gravey says...

ChannelX wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
The usual right wing drivel from the same d1ck heads.
All the best fire fighters.
And yet, on another thread:


Davey Gravey wrote:
Prime examples of sterilisation enforcement. Add to that honest people who would have wanted that checkout job. Scum


Seems you realise the left-wing approach doesn't work, yet you still bang on about it in some threads.
A ridiculous comparison, From the master of spin.
Not at all.

On one thread you're doing your weird, 'Up the workers! Here, take more of my money' routine... and on another you're calling for the very people created by your left-wing ideologies to be sterilised by force.

You can't really continually insult other people for their views when some of yours are as hypocritically offensive as it gets.
Yawn. More spin. Thatcher created the underclasss of this nation, nothing to do with left wing ideologies.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: The usual right wing drivel from the same d1ck heads. All the best fire fighters.[/p][/quote]And yet, on another thread: [quote] Davey Gravey wrote: Prime examples of sterilisation enforcement. Add to that honest people who would have wanted that checkout job. Scum [/quote] Seems you realise the left-wing approach doesn't work, yet you still bang on about it in some threads.[/p][/quote]A ridiculous comparison, From the master of spin.[/p][/quote]Not at all. On one thread you're doing your weird, 'Up the workers! Here, take more of my money' routine... and on another you're calling for the very people created by your left-wing ideologies to be sterilised by force. You can't really continually insult other people for their views when some of yours are as hypocritically offensive as it gets.[/p][/quote]Yawn. More spin. Thatcher created the underclasss of this nation, nothing to do with left wing ideologies. Davey Gravey
  • Score: -2

3:41pm Tue 6 May 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

Maybe the majority of fire fighters should be on one of these zero hour contracts to reflect the intermittent nature of demand for their services...
Maybe the majority of fire fighters should be on one of these zero hour contracts to reflect the intermittent nature of demand for their services... The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: -1

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