Gaza charity night exceeds all hopes

This Is Wiltshire: Layla Amawi, Amina Amawi, Javaria Qazi, Saima Qazi, Fowzia Yasmin, Dina Amawi, Nadia Ahmed, Faiza Munir, Aliya Salam, Nadia Salam, Amina Ali and Sanaa Amawi Layla Amawi, Amina Amawi, Javaria Qazi, Saima Qazi, Fowzia Yasmin, Dina Amawi, Nadia Ahmed, Faiza Munir, Aliya Salam, Nadia Salam, Amina Ali and Sanaa Amawi

WHEN the Gaza Girl Group organised a fundraiser for the Middle East conflict’s victims they never expected to raise enough to pay for three ambulances.

But on Friday night at Broad-green Community Centre that is exactly what the group of nine women did when they raised more than £3,000 for the humanitarian aid effort.

After weeks of conflict between the Israeli and Palestinain authorities over the narrow 139 square mile stretch of land known as the Gaza Strip, Dina Amawi had had enough of watching babies being orphaned and families fleeing the shells of their homes.

So the 20-year-old of Plymouth Street called upon some of her friends to help support the victims of war and arranged for an evening of stalls, actvities and a three-course meal for an entry price of just £5.

She said: “The community centre was just packed. There was no room to sit and eat but they just kept coming in. I’d say there were at least 300 people who came along.

“People were so generous too, the entrance fee was £5 but people were handing in £20 notes and telling us to keep the change.

“We never expected to raise so much money. We were only expecting about 50 or 70 people, so we were really overwhelmed by the numbers of people who came along.”

Visitors could browse a number of stalls selling a variety of different wares, including loom bands, sweet cones, t-shirts, jewellery, clothes, shoes and other treats.

They could also take part in an auction, with top prizes including a selection of designer clothing.

As well as this, people who visited could enjoy the food contributed from curry houses and food outlets around the town, includig the Khyber, Biplop, Lalbagh, Newroz, Barakah and Tennessee Chicken.

Other contributions were made from local businesses and stores, including the Co-Op and Selma’s in Euclid Street.

Dina said: “Everyone was so generous with their time.

“A lot of people who couldn’t donate things to the stalls or the food still gave money, and we just want to say a huge thank you to all the restauants and local shops that helped to make it possible.”

Despite exeeding all their own expectations, the group – which includes women who orignally come from Palestine – still believes there is more to be done to ease the terror which the victims face.

For the Gaza Girls the success of the fundraiser was all the more important since it came during the month of Ramadan, which many of them are observing, the month of fasting and of charity.

But despite sharing a religion with many of the victims of the Gaza conflict, their wishes to support the humanitarian aid had nothing to do with religion or politics.

Dina said: “What was overwhelming is just how many people came from all sorts of different backgrounds and cultures.

“Goans, Somalis, Polish – everyone came and it really showed that this isn’t just a cause for Muslims.

“It’s a humanitarian cause which everybody needs to get behind and support.

“This wasn’t about politics or religion, it’s about women, children and families being torn apart and needing our help.”

The Ummah Trust says 100 per cent of donations made to them go towards providing specialist aid to the victims of war.

To find out more about them and find out how you can give to the cause, visit www.uwt.org.

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11:43am Tue 29 Jul 14

kerryamawi says...

so proud you all xxx
so proud you all xxx kerryamawi
  • Score: 1

11:55am Tue 29 Jul 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Well done all.
The more the spot light is on the issue the greater awareness.
Almost anywhere else in the world and there would be UN support such a shame the people of Gaza have been left to fend for themselves.
Well done all. The more the spot light is on the issue the greater awareness. Almost anywhere else in the world and there would be UN support such a shame the people of Gaza have been left to fend for themselves. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 1

12:43pm Tue 29 Jul 14

SomeoneWhoIsntMe says...

Babies being orphaned? The babies are being killer by the Israelis. I know this is probably too hard hitting for Swindon's local rag, but the gravity of the situation is incredible.

Good that you are reporting this anyway, and well done to all involved with the fund raising.
Babies being orphaned? The babies are being killer by the Israelis. I know this is probably too hard hitting for Swindon's local rag, but the gravity of the situation is incredible. Good that you are reporting this anyway, and well done to all involved with the fund raising. SomeoneWhoIsntMe
  • Score: -3

12:43pm Tue 29 Jul 14

SomeoneWhoIsntMe says...

Babies being orphaned? The babies are being killed by the Israelis. I know this is probably too hard hitting for Swindon's local rag, but the gravity of the situation is incredible.

Good that you are reporting this anyway, and well done to all involved with the fund raising.
Babies being orphaned? The babies are being killed by the Israelis. I know this is probably too hard hitting for Swindon's local rag, but the gravity of the situation is incredible. Good that you are reporting this anyway, and well done to all involved with the fund raising. SomeoneWhoIsntMe
  • Score: 0

1:08pm Tue 29 Jul 14

tucker81 says...

Should raise funds for a missile that can get past the iron dome
Should raise funds for a missile that can get past the iron dome tucker81
  • Score: -13

1:36pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

tucker81 wrote:
Should raise funds for a missile that can get past the iron dome
Why are rockets being fired at Israel?
[quote][p][bold]tucker81[/bold] wrote: Should raise funds for a missile that can get past the iron dome[/p][/quote]Why are rockets being fired at Israel? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 4

2:33pm Tue 29 Jul 14

house on the hill says...

Don't you just love the consequences of religion?
Don't you just love the consequences of religion? house on the hill
  • Score: 8

2:46pm Tue 29 Jul 14

EmmBee says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
tucker81 wrote:
Should raise funds for a missile that can get past the iron dome
Why are rockets being fired at Israel?
I'd like a succinct explanation for this too please? (impartial, if possible)
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tucker81[/bold] wrote: Should raise funds for a missile that can get past the iron dome[/p][/quote]Why are rockets being fired at Israel?[/p][/quote]I'd like a succinct explanation for this too please? (impartial, if possible) EmmBee
  • Score: 3

3:01pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Sandor Clegane says...

EmmBee wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
tucker81 wrote:
Should raise funds for a missile that can get past the iron dome
Why are rockets being fired at Israel?
I'd like a succinct explanation for this too please? (impartial, if possible)
Hamas has been included in the black list of European Union designated terrorists groups since 2003. The United States also lists Hamas as a terrorist organisation.

Terrorists generally do such things when they have capability.
[quote][p][bold]EmmBee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tucker81[/bold] wrote: Should raise funds for a missile that can get past the iron dome[/p][/quote]Why are rockets being fired at Israel?[/p][/quote]I'd like a succinct explanation for this too please? (impartial, if possible)[/p][/quote]Hamas has been included in the black list of European Union designated terrorists groups since 2003. The United States also lists Hamas as a terrorist organisation. Terrorists generally do such things when they have capability. Sandor Clegane
  • Score: 9

3:07pm Tue 29 Jul 14

house on the hill says...

Sandor Clegane wrote:
EmmBee wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
tucker81 wrote:
Should raise funds for a missile that can get past the iron dome
Why are rockets being fired at Israel?
I'd like a succinct explanation for this too please? (impartial, if possible)
Hamas has been included in the black list of European Union designated terrorists groups since 2003. The United States also lists Hamas as a terrorist organisation.

Terrorists generally do such things when they have capability.
It still all comes down to religion, the second biggest killer in the world after malaria. With the potential to become number one. Are we really that stupid as a race that we would kill each other over something that isn't even real? Sadly the answer seems to be yes!
[quote][p][bold]Sandor Clegane[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EmmBee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tucker81[/bold] wrote: Should raise funds for a missile that can get past the iron dome[/p][/quote]Why are rockets being fired at Israel?[/p][/quote]I'd like a succinct explanation for this too please? (impartial, if possible)[/p][/quote]Hamas has been included in the black list of European Union designated terrorists groups since 2003. The United States also lists Hamas as a terrorist organisation. Terrorists generally do such things when they have capability.[/p][/quote]It still all comes down to religion, the second biggest killer in the world after malaria. With the potential to become number one. Are we really that stupid as a race that we would kill each other over something that isn't even real? Sadly the answer seems to be yes! house on the hill
  • Score: 7

3:28pm Tue 29 Jul 14

swindondad says...

Just a small point but how on earth does £3000 pay for 3 ambulances? 1 ten year old Mondeo maybe but not 3 ambulances.
Just a small point but how on earth does £3000 pay for 3 ambulances? 1 ten year old Mondeo maybe but not 3 ambulances. swindondad
  • Score: 6

3:31pm Tue 29 Jul 14

knittynora says...

EmmBee wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
tucker81 wrote:
Should raise funds for a missile that can get past the iron dome
Why are rockets being fired at Israel?
I'd like a succinct explanation for this too please? (impartial, if possible)
47 years of occupation, the fact that Gaza has been sealed off from the outside world by the Israeli blockade, causing ,unemployment, despair, desperation? The intransigence of the Israeli government regarding resolving the position of the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank, combined with the continuation of illegal settlement ? Attacks on Arab villages by armed settlers? Gangs of Jewish youth roaming Jerusalem shouting death to Arabs? So many things that resistance is inevitable.
Its not religious, its about land and having the space to live, breathe and bring up children in the place where you were born. If you look at the relative strength of the forces involved it would appear to be heavily weighted in favour of Israel. Only despair or feeling that there is nothing left to lose can make the act of attacking such a strong occupier seem feasible.
However as long as western governments continue to fund and arm Israel there will be no incentive to change.
I find it odd that UK,US and EU are discussing imposing sanctions on Russia for as yet unproven actions while the slaughter of innocent men, women and children continues apace in Gaza. But that's great power politics for you.
[quote][p][bold]EmmBee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tucker81[/bold] wrote: Should raise funds for a missile that can get past the iron dome[/p][/quote]Why are rockets being fired at Israel?[/p][/quote]I'd like a succinct explanation for this too please? (impartial, if possible)[/p][/quote]47 years of occupation, the fact that Gaza has been sealed off from the outside world by the Israeli blockade, causing ,unemployment, despair, desperation? The intransigence of the Israeli government regarding resolving the position of the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank, combined with the continuation of illegal settlement ? Attacks on Arab villages by armed settlers? Gangs of Jewish youth roaming Jerusalem shouting death to Arabs? So many things that resistance is inevitable. Its not religious, its about land and having the space to live, breathe and bring up children in the place where you were born. If you look at the relative strength of the forces involved it would appear to be heavily weighted in favour of Israel. Only despair or feeling that there is nothing left to lose can make the act of attacking such a strong occupier seem feasible. However as long as western governments continue to fund and arm Israel there will be no incentive to change. I find it odd that UK,US and EU are discussing imposing sanctions on Russia for as yet unproven actions while the slaughter of innocent men, women and children continues apace in Gaza. But that's great power politics for you. knittynora
  • Score: 5

3:52pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

EmmBee wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
tucker81 wrote:
Should raise funds for a missile that can get past the iron dome
Why are rockets being fired at Israel?
I'd like a succinct explanation for this too please? (impartial, if possible)
Unfortunately I cannot provide you with an unbiased opinion as personally I find Israels actions appalling.

As I see it the predominate religion in Israel is Judaism according to the torah the land they now occupy was their homeland which is why they feel justified in the genocide of Palestine.
Now the bit that gets forgotten is in the Torah the ancient home land stretches from current Israel to Egypt so I imagine we can expect the Israeli government to start building walls through the middle east....Well probably not as those countries have actual armies rather than teens throwing stones.
Palestine was known as British Palestine before the second world war then in the Oslo accords there was land drawn up to allow Israel a place to call home. If it was just about being back in the holy land there is an uninhabited strip of desert that would of met the needs of the time.
Since then there have been a number of conflicts in the area which have moved the borders in the golan heights and the canal etc...
Israel control Palestine the power, the water and who can come in and out the fishing industry has been destroyed.
Much like in South America HAMAS is the only group helping these people so I completely understand why people have such loyalty to them as the figure head of the state people look to them for protection and guidance when Israel constantly squeeze the lands and launch air strikes people lose faith that HAMAS can protect them so HAMAS fire home made rockets into Israel. Yes they are unguided but considering reinforcing your house or business in Palestine is a crime rocket guidance systems are thin on the ground.
The areas Israel use as "buffer" zones also happen to be the best agricultural land in the area.
There is allot more to the situation and the wider issues which I find both appalling and interesting.

Sorry for late reply and a bit disjointed little people and pets shouting to be fed.
What are your thoughts on the situation?
[quote][p][bold]EmmBee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tucker81[/bold] wrote: Should raise funds for a missile that can get past the iron dome[/p][/quote]Why are rockets being fired at Israel?[/p][/quote]I'd like a succinct explanation for this too please? (impartial, if possible)[/p][/quote]Unfortunately I cannot provide you with an unbiased opinion as personally I find Israels actions appalling. As I see it the predominate religion in Israel is Judaism according to the torah the land they now occupy was their homeland which is why they feel justified in the genocide of Palestine. Now the bit that gets forgotten is in the Torah the ancient home land stretches from current Israel to Egypt so I imagine we can expect the Israeli government to start building walls through the middle east....Well probably not as those countries have actual armies rather than teens throwing stones. Palestine was known as British Palestine before the second world war then in the Oslo accords there was land drawn up to allow Israel a place to call home. If it was just about being back in the holy land there is an uninhabited strip of desert that would of met the needs of the time. Since then there have been a number of conflicts in the area which have moved the borders in the golan heights and the canal etc... Israel control Palestine the power, the water and who can come in and out the fishing industry has been destroyed. Much like in South America HAMAS is the only group helping these people so I completely understand why people have such loyalty to them as the figure head of the state people look to them for protection and guidance when Israel constantly squeeze the lands and launch air strikes people lose faith that HAMAS can protect them so HAMAS fire home made rockets into Israel. Yes they are unguided but considering reinforcing your house or business in Palestine is a crime rocket guidance systems are thin on the ground. The areas Israel use as "buffer" zones also happen to be the best agricultural land in the area. There is allot more to the situation and the wider issues which I find both appalling and interesting. Sorry for late reply and a bit disjointed little people and pets shouting to be fed. What are your thoughts on the situation? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 0

4:05pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Sandor Clegane wrote:
EmmBee wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
tucker81 wrote:
Should raise funds for a missile that can get past the iron dome
Why are rockets being fired at Israel?
I'd like a succinct explanation for this too please? (impartial, if possible)
Hamas has been included in the black list of European Union designated terrorists groups since 2003. The United States also lists Hamas as a terrorist organisation.

Terrorists generally do such things when they have capability.
Terrorist or freedom fighter is in the eye of those affected.
Its an interesting topic especially for the anti immigration types such as yourself. You support Israels actions yet they are a foreign people dropped into lands that were occupied by others for centuries.

If there were a section of Britain allocated to a foreign country that they could govern as they see fit and take land from native people and when those native people tried to stand up for themselves they were hit by air strikes or military strikes.
Would you let it happen and do nothing to stop it?
Sorry forgot who I was replying to of course you wouldnt care you supported a mayor that wanted to see disabled people sterilized.
[quote][p][bold]Sandor Clegane[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EmmBee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tucker81[/bold] wrote: Should raise funds for a missile that can get past the iron dome[/p][/quote]Why are rockets being fired at Israel?[/p][/quote]I'd like a succinct explanation for this too please? (impartial, if possible)[/p][/quote]Hamas has been included in the black list of European Union designated terrorists groups since 2003. The United States also lists Hamas as a terrorist organisation. Terrorists generally do such things when they have capability.[/p][/quote]Terrorist or freedom fighter is in the eye of those affected. Its an interesting topic especially for the anti immigration types such as yourself. You support Israels actions yet they are a foreign people dropped into lands that were occupied by others for centuries. If there were a section of Britain allocated to a foreign country that they could govern as they see fit and take land from native people and when those native people tried to stand up for themselves they were hit by air strikes or military strikes. Would you let it happen and do nothing to stop it? Sorry forgot who I was replying to of course you wouldnt care you supported a mayor that wanted to see disabled people sterilized. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -5

4:09pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Sandor Clegane wrote:
EmmBee wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
tucker81 wrote:
Should raise funds for a missile that can get past the iron dome
Why are rockets being fired at Israel?
I'd like a succinct explanation for this too please? (impartial, if possible)
Hamas has been included in the black list of European Union designated terrorists groups since 2003. The United States also lists Hamas as a terrorist organisation.

Terrorists generally do such things when they have capability.
The US you mean the biggest supporter and military supplier of Israel why would they have an interest in demonizing Palestine.
[quote][p][bold]Sandor Clegane[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EmmBee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tucker81[/bold] wrote: Should raise funds for a missile that can get past the iron dome[/p][/quote]Why are rockets being fired at Israel?[/p][/quote]I'd like a succinct explanation for this too please? (impartial, if possible)[/p][/quote]Hamas has been included in the black list of European Union designated terrorists groups since 2003. The United States also lists Hamas as a terrorist organisation. Terrorists generally do such things when they have capability.[/p][/quote]The US you mean the biggest supporter and military supplier of Israel why would they have an interest in demonizing Palestine. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 0

4:12pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

knittynora wrote:
EmmBee wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
tucker81 wrote:
Should raise funds for a missile that can get past the iron dome
Why are rockets being fired at Israel?
I'd like a succinct explanation for this too please? (impartial, if possible)
47 years of occupation, the fact that Gaza has been sealed off from the outside world by the Israeli blockade, causing ,unemployment, despair, desperation? The intransigence of the Israeli government regarding resolving the position of the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank, combined with the continuation of illegal settlement ? Attacks on Arab villages by armed settlers? Gangs of Jewish youth roaming Jerusalem shouting death to Arabs? So many things that resistance is inevitable.
Its not religious, its about land and having the space to live, breathe and bring up children in the place where you were born. If you look at the relative strength of the forces involved it would appear to be heavily weighted in favour of Israel. Only despair or feeling that there is nothing left to lose can make the act of attacking such a strong occupier seem feasible.
However as long as western governments continue to fund and arm Israel there will be no incentive to change.
I find it odd that UK,US and EU are discussing imposing sanctions on Russia for as yet unproven actions while the slaughter of innocent men, women and children continues apace in Gaza. But that's great power politics for you.
Excellent point well put.
Comparisons to the Ukraine and general hypocritical actions by British gov would be laughable if it wasnt so sad.
[quote][p][bold]knittynora[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EmmBee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tucker81[/bold] wrote: Should raise funds for a missile that can get past the iron dome[/p][/quote]Why are rockets being fired at Israel?[/p][/quote]I'd like a succinct explanation for this too please? (impartial, if possible)[/p][/quote]47 years of occupation, the fact that Gaza has been sealed off from the outside world by the Israeli blockade, causing ,unemployment, despair, desperation? The intransigence of the Israeli government regarding resolving the position of the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank, combined with the continuation of illegal settlement ? Attacks on Arab villages by armed settlers? Gangs of Jewish youth roaming Jerusalem shouting death to Arabs? So many things that resistance is inevitable. Its not religious, its about land and having the space to live, breathe and bring up children in the place where you were born. If you look at the relative strength of the forces involved it would appear to be heavily weighted in favour of Israel. Only despair or feeling that there is nothing left to lose can make the act of attacking such a strong occupier seem feasible. However as long as western governments continue to fund and arm Israel there will be no incentive to change. I find it odd that UK,US and EU are discussing imposing sanctions on Russia for as yet unproven actions while the slaughter of innocent men, women and children continues apace in Gaza. But that's great power politics for you.[/p][/quote]Excellent point well put. Comparisons to the Ukraine and general hypocritical actions by British gov would be laughable if it wasnt so sad. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -4

5:16pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Sandor Clegane says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
Sandor Clegane wrote:
EmmBee wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
tucker81 wrote:
Should raise funds for a missile that can get past the iron dome
Why are rockets being fired at Israel?
I'd like a succinct explanation for this too please? (impartial, if possible)
Hamas has been included in the black list of European Union designated terrorists groups since 2003. The United States also lists Hamas as a terrorist organisation.

Terrorists generally do such things when they have capability.
Terrorist or freedom fighter is in the eye of those affected.
Its an interesting topic especially for the anti immigration types such as yourself. You support Israels actions yet they are a foreign people dropped into lands that were occupied by others for centuries.

If there were a section of Britain allocated to a foreign country that they could govern as they see fit and take land from native people and when those native people tried to stand up for themselves they were hit by air strikes or military strikes.
Would you let it happen and do nothing to stop it?
Sorry forgot who I was replying to of course you wouldnt care you supported a mayor that wanted to see disabled people sterilized.
I have no real view on Hamas either way. All I pointed out was the fact that both the European Union and the United States consider them a terrorist organisation.

You may not agree personally, but the European Union and United States likely know more about Hamas than you or I do.

Secondly, I am not 'anti-immigration'. I don't think anyone is, because some migration between nations is inevitable and essential. It's about managing immigration properly.

Thirdly, where have I said I support Israel's actions? Did you just decide I probably do?

Your rants and weak arguing position comes across very blinkered as it appears you only see one side of the situation and have decided, for whatever reasons, to support the side which your own nation of residence considers a terrorist organisation (by proxy of the EU).

You also blithely ascribe beliefs to me that you have absolutely no evidence of, other than your own bigotry. Still, you also appear to believe I'm a councillor, so anything you say has to be considered non-credible.

I will not be engaging you further as it's clearly completely pointless.
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sandor Clegane[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EmmBee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tucker81[/bold] wrote: Should raise funds for a missile that can get past the iron dome[/p][/quote]Why are rockets being fired at Israel?[/p][/quote]I'd like a succinct explanation for this too please? (impartial, if possible)[/p][/quote]Hamas has been included in the black list of European Union designated terrorists groups since 2003. The United States also lists Hamas as a terrorist organisation. Terrorists generally do such things when they have capability.[/p][/quote]Terrorist or freedom fighter is in the eye of those affected. Its an interesting topic especially for the anti immigration types such as yourself. You support Israels actions yet they are a foreign people dropped into lands that were occupied by others for centuries. If there were a section of Britain allocated to a foreign country that they could govern as they see fit and take land from native people and when those native people tried to stand up for themselves they were hit by air strikes or military strikes. Would you let it happen and do nothing to stop it? Sorry forgot who I was replying to of course you wouldnt care you supported a mayor that wanted to see disabled people sterilized.[/p][/quote]I have no real view on Hamas either way. All I pointed out was the fact that both the European Union and the United States consider them a terrorist organisation. You may not agree personally, but the European Union and United States likely know more about Hamas than you or I do. Secondly, I am not 'anti-immigration'. I don't think anyone is, because some migration between nations is inevitable and essential. It's about managing immigration properly. Thirdly, where have I said I support Israel's actions? Did you just decide I probably do? Your rants and weak arguing position comes across very blinkered as it appears you only see one side of the situation and have decided, for whatever reasons, to support the side which your own nation of residence considers a terrorist organisation (by proxy of the EU). You also blithely ascribe beliefs to me that you have absolutely no evidence of, other than your own bigotry. Still, you also appear to believe I'm a councillor, so anything you say has to be considered non-credible. I will not be engaging you further as it's clearly completely pointless. Sandor Clegane
  • Score: 10

6:44pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Al Smith says...

Once again, Gaza this Gaza that! What about Syria, Iraq, Libya, Sudan etc. or would certain people rather that the world forgot about the innocent people there that are being killed by Muslims? Reports just yesterday were saying 2000 people have been killed in Syria in the past two weeks.
Once again, Gaza this Gaza that! What about Syria, Iraq, Libya, Sudan etc. or would certain people rather that the world forgot about the innocent people there that are being killed by Muslims? Reports just yesterday were saying 2000 people have been killed in Syria in the past two weeks. Al Smith
  • Score: 8

6:53pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Sandor Clegane says...

Al Smith wrote:
Once again, Gaza this Gaza that! What about Syria, Iraq, Libya, Sudan etc. or would certain people rather that the world forgot about the innocent people there that are being killed by Muslims? Reports just yesterday were saying 2000 people have been killed in Syria in the past two weeks.
You know the rules!
[quote][p][bold]Al Smith[/bold] wrote: Once again, Gaza this Gaza that! What about Syria, Iraq, Libya, Sudan etc. or would certain people rather that the world forgot about the innocent people there that are being killed by Muslims? Reports just yesterday were saying 2000 people have been killed in Syria in the past two weeks.[/p][/quote]You know the rules! Sandor Clegane
  • Score: 8

9:23pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Sandor Clegane wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
Sandor Clegane wrote:
EmmBee wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
tucker81 wrote:
Should raise funds for a missile that can get past the iron dome
Why are rockets being fired at Israel?
I'd like a succinct explanation for this too please? (impartial, if possible)
Hamas has been included in the black list of European Union designated terrorists groups since 2003. The United States also lists Hamas as a terrorist organisation.

Terrorists generally do such things when they have capability.
Terrorist or freedom fighter is in the eye of those affected.
Its an interesting topic especially for the anti immigration types such as yourself. You support Israels actions yet they are a foreign people dropped into lands that were occupied by others for centuries.

If there were a section of Britain allocated to a foreign country that they could govern as they see fit and take land from native people and when those native people tried to stand up for themselves they were hit by air strikes or military strikes.
Would you let it happen and do nothing to stop it?
Sorry forgot who I was replying to of course you wouldnt care you supported a mayor that wanted to see disabled people sterilized.
I have no real view on Hamas either way. All I pointed out was the fact that both the European Union and the United States consider them a terrorist organisation.

You may not agree personally, but the European Union and United States likely know more about Hamas than you or I do.

Secondly, I am not 'anti-immigration'. I don't think anyone is, because some migration between nations is inevitable and essential. It's about managing immigration properly.

Thirdly, where have I said I support Israel's actions? Did you just decide I probably do?

Your rants and weak arguing position comes across very blinkered as it appears you only see one side of the situation and have decided, for whatever reasons, to support the side which your own nation of residence considers a terrorist organisation (by proxy of the EU).

You also blithely ascribe beliefs to me that you have absolutely no evidence of, other than your own bigotry. Still, you also appear to believe I'm a councillor, so anything you say has to be considered non-credible.

I will not be engaging you further as it's clearly completely pointless.
And that was all it took.
Which one of us has been banned from comments sections on local news and social media sites?

Just so I know is it just this log on you will be ignoring me with or will it be all of your sign ons?
[quote][p][bold]Sandor Clegane[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sandor Clegane[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EmmBee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tucker81[/bold] wrote: Should raise funds for a missile that can get past the iron dome[/p][/quote]Why are rockets being fired at Israel?[/p][/quote]I'd like a succinct explanation for this too please? (impartial, if possible)[/p][/quote]Hamas has been included in the black list of European Union designated terrorists groups since 2003. The United States also lists Hamas as a terrorist organisation. Terrorists generally do such things when they have capability.[/p][/quote]Terrorist or freedom fighter is in the eye of those affected. Its an interesting topic especially for the anti immigration types such as yourself. You support Israels actions yet they are a foreign people dropped into lands that were occupied by others for centuries. If there were a section of Britain allocated to a foreign country that they could govern as they see fit and take land from native people and when those native people tried to stand up for themselves they were hit by air strikes or military strikes. Would you let it happen and do nothing to stop it? Sorry forgot who I was replying to of course you wouldnt care you supported a mayor that wanted to see disabled people sterilized.[/p][/quote]I have no real view on Hamas either way. All I pointed out was the fact that both the European Union and the United States consider them a terrorist organisation. You may not agree personally, but the European Union and United States likely know more about Hamas than you or I do. Secondly, I am not 'anti-immigration'. I don't think anyone is, because some migration between nations is inevitable and essential. It's about managing immigration properly. Thirdly, where have I said I support Israel's actions? Did you just decide I probably do? Your rants and weak arguing position comes across very blinkered as it appears you only see one side of the situation and have decided, for whatever reasons, to support the side which your own nation of residence considers a terrorist organisation (by proxy of the EU). You also blithely ascribe beliefs to me that you have absolutely no evidence of, other than your own bigotry. Still, you also appear to believe I'm a councillor, so anything you say has to be considered non-credible. I will not be engaging you further as it's clearly completely pointless.[/p][/quote]And that was all it took. Which one of us has been banned from comments sections on local news and social media sites? Just so I know is it just this log on you will be ignoring me with or will it be all of your sign ons? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -5

6:42pm Wed 30 Jul 14

AmericanEagle1392 says...

I'm happy to see Muslims engaging in some humanitarian work for a change instead of brutalizing their own women and girls, terrorizing non-Muslims and killing Jews and Christians as Mohammad exhorted them to do on his death-bed.

This is why every Muslim-majority country has effectively driven out most non-Muslims to the extent that 95% plus of their citizens are Muslims.

Quote:
Sahih Muslim, Book 4, Number 1082:
'A'isha and Abdullah reported: As the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) was about to breathe his last, he drew his sheet upon his face and when he felt uneasy, he uncovered his face and said in that very state: Let there be curse upon the Jews and the Christians that they have taken the graves of their apostles as places of worship. He in fact warned (his men) against what they (the Jews and the Christians) did.
Unquote.

When you feel sympathy for the average Palestinian civilians in Gaza, who are being used as human shields by their own Hamas terrorist government, remember that it was THEY who elected Hamas over Fatah, ostensibly because they felt Fatah was not fanatical enough for them in their EVIL desire to annihilate the Jews.

Jews were the original inhabitants of the Levant going back to Biblical times - way before Mohammad was even born. So, calling Jews "occupiers" in their own ancestral homeland is vile propaganda. It was Muslims who were the occupiers after most Jews were dispersed by invading forces like the Byzantines and later by the Ottoman Turks, who were then defeated by the Brits in WW-I.

How many people reading this know that the Arabs were allied with the Nazis during WW-II? Now, they want to finish what the Nazis were unable to.

The partition of 1947 was an attempt to solve the competing claims of both sides when Britain decided to give a tiny piece of their original homeland to the Jews as a safe have after the horror of the Holocaust. The Jews accepted the partition but the Arabs did not. Neither did they try and negotiate their grievances through the UN. Instead FIVE Arab armies invaded the nascent Israel to "push the Jews into the sea". Had the Jews been unable to repulse them the Arabs would have finished what the Nazis were unable to.

Since their ignominious defeat in 1948 the Arabs have continued for 65 years to "push the Jews into the sea" even putting their objective to wipe Israel off the map and kill Jews in writing in the Hamas Covenant of 1988. Don't believe me, just read the Covenant for yourselves (see link below) and then ask yourselves, "What is Israel's negotiating position supposed to be in any talks with an adversary that a) has never accepted their right to exist, and b) is REQUIRED by their founding charter to wipe Israel off the map and kill Jews?

http://avalon.law.ya
le.edu/20th_century/
hamas.asp
I'm happy to see Muslims engaging in some humanitarian work for a change instead of brutalizing their own women and girls, terrorizing non-Muslims and killing Jews and Christians as Mohammad exhorted them to do on his death-bed. This is why every Muslim-majority country has effectively driven out most non-Muslims to the extent that 95% plus of their citizens are Muslims. Quote: Sahih Muslim, Book 4, Number 1082: 'A'isha and Abdullah reported: As the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) was about to breathe his last, he drew his sheet upon his face and when he felt uneasy, he uncovered his face and said in that very state: Let there be curse upon the Jews and the Christians that they have taken the graves of their apostles as places of worship. He in fact warned (his men) against what they (the Jews and the Christians) did. Unquote. When you feel sympathy for the average Palestinian civilians in Gaza, who are being used as human shields by their own Hamas terrorist government, remember that it was THEY who elected Hamas over Fatah, ostensibly because they felt Fatah was not fanatical enough for them in their EVIL desire to annihilate the Jews. Jews were the original inhabitants of the Levant going back to Biblical times - way before Mohammad was even born. So, calling Jews "occupiers" in their own ancestral homeland is vile propaganda. It was Muslims who were the occupiers after most Jews were dispersed by invading forces like the Byzantines and later by the Ottoman Turks, who were then defeated by the Brits in WW-I. How many people reading this know that the Arabs were allied with the Nazis during WW-II? Now, they want to finish what the Nazis were unable to. The partition of 1947 was an attempt to solve the competing claims of both sides when Britain decided to give a tiny piece of their original homeland to the Jews as a safe have after the horror of the Holocaust. The Jews accepted the partition but the Arabs did not. Neither did they try and negotiate their grievances through the UN. Instead FIVE Arab armies invaded the nascent Israel to "push the Jews into the sea". Had the Jews been unable to repulse them the Arabs would have finished what the Nazis were unable to. Since their ignominious defeat in 1948 the Arabs have continued for 65 years to "push the Jews into the sea" even putting their objective to wipe Israel off the map and kill Jews in writing in the Hamas Covenant of 1988. Don't believe me, just read the Covenant for yourselves (see link below) and then ask yourselves, "What is Israel's negotiating position supposed to be in any talks with an adversary that a) has never accepted their right to exist, and b) is REQUIRED by their founding charter to wipe Israel off the map and kill Jews? http://avalon.law.ya le.edu/20th_century/ hamas.asp AmericanEagle1392
  • Score: 2

11:29am Thu 31 Jul 14

martinswindon says...

Can we do one for all the Christians across Pakistan, Iraq and Southern Asia that are being murdered and forced out of their homes if they don't convert to Islam?

Or is that not cool?
Can we do one for all the Christians across Pakistan, Iraq and Southern Asia that are being murdered and forced out of their homes if they don't convert to Islam? Or is that not cool? martinswindon
  • Score: 4

11:33am Thu 31 Jul 14

martinswindon says...

AmericanEagle1392 wrote:
I'm happy to see Muslims engaging in some humanitarian work for a change instead of brutalizing their own women and girls, terrorizing non-Muslims and killing Jews and Christians as Mohammad exhorted them to do on his death-bed.

This is why every Muslim-majority country has effectively driven out most non-Muslims to the extent that 95% plus of their citizens are Muslims.

Quote:
Sahih Muslim, Book 4, Number 1082:
'A'isha and Abdullah reported: As the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) was about to breathe his last, he drew his sheet upon his face and when he felt uneasy, he uncovered his face and said in that very state: Let there be curse upon the Jews and the Christians that they have taken the graves of their apostles as places of worship. He in fact warned (his men) against what they (the Jews and the Christians) did.
Unquote.

When you feel sympathy for the average Palestinian civilians in Gaza, who are being used as human shields by their own Hamas terrorist government, remember that it was THEY who elected Hamas over Fatah, ostensibly because they felt Fatah was not fanatical enough for them in their EVIL desire to annihilate the Jews.

Jews were the original inhabitants of the Levant going back to Biblical times - way before Mohammad was even born. So, calling Jews "occupiers" in their own ancestral homeland is vile propaganda. It was Muslims who were the occupiers after most Jews were dispersed by invading forces like the Byzantines and later by the Ottoman Turks, who were then defeated by the Brits in WW-I.

How many people reading this know that the Arabs were allied with the Nazis during WW-II? Now, they want to finish what the Nazis were unable to.

The partition of 1947 was an attempt to solve the competing claims of both sides when Britain decided to give a tiny piece of their original homeland to the Jews as a safe have after the horror of the Holocaust. The Jews accepted the partition but the Arabs did not. Neither did they try and negotiate their grievances through the UN. Instead FIVE Arab armies invaded the nascent Israel to "push the Jews into the sea". Had the Jews been unable to repulse them the Arabs would have finished what the Nazis were unable to.

Since their ignominious defeat in 1948 the Arabs have continued for 65 years to "push the Jews into the sea" even putting their objective to wipe Israel off the map and kill Jews in writing in the Hamas Covenant of 1988. Don't believe me, just read the Covenant for yourselves (see link below) and then ask yourselves, "What is Israel's negotiating position supposed to be in any talks with an adversary that a) has never accepted their right to exist, and b) is REQUIRED by their founding charter to wipe Israel off the map and kill Jews?

http://avalon.law.ya

le.edu/20th_century/

hamas.asp
Ha ha another apparent Yank having a love-in with the jews. Strange given the fact the majority of Israeli's view America as their little pet. (Maybe not so strange then?)
[quote][p][bold]AmericanEagle1392[/bold] wrote: I'm happy to see Muslims engaging in some humanitarian work for a change instead of brutalizing their own women and girls, terrorizing non-Muslims and killing Jews and Christians as Mohammad exhorted them to do on his death-bed. This is why every Muslim-majority country has effectively driven out most non-Muslims to the extent that 95% plus of their citizens are Muslims. Quote: Sahih Muslim, Book 4, Number 1082: 'A'isha and Abdullah reported: As the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) was about to breathe his last, he drew his sheet upon his face and when he felt uneasy, he uncovered his face and said in that very state: Let there be curse upon the Jews and the Christians that they have taken the graves of their apostles as places of worship. He in fact warned (his men) against what they (the Jews and the Christians) did. Unquote. When you feel sympathy for the average Palestinian civilians in Gaza, who are being used as human shields by their own Hamas terrorist government, remember that it was THEY who elected Hamas over Fatah, ostensibly because they felt Fatah was not fanatical enough for them in their EVIL desire to annihilate the Jews. Jews were the original inhabitants of the Levant going back to Biblical times - way before Mohammad was even born. So, calling Jews "occupiers" in their own ancestral homeland is vile propaganda. It was Muslims who were the occupiers after most Jews were dispersed by invading forces like the Byzantines and later by the Ottoman Turks, who were then defeated by the Brits in WW-I. How many people reading this know that the Arabs were allied with the Nazis during WW-II? Now, they want to finish what the Nazis were unable to. The partition of 1947 was an attempt to solve the competing claims of both sides when Britain decided to give a tiny piece of their original homeland to the Jews as a safe have after the horror of the Holocaust. The Jews accepted the partition but the Arabs did not. Neither did they try and negotiate their grievances through the UN. Instead FIVE Arab armies invaded the nascent Israel to "push the Jews into the sea". Had the Jews been unable to repulse them the Arabs would have finished what the Nazis were unable to. Since their ignominious defeat in 1948 the Arabs have continued for 65 years to "push the Jews into the sea" even putting their objective to wipe Israel off the map and kill Jews in writing in the Hamas Covenant of 1988. Don't believe me, just read the Covenant for yourselves (see link below) and then ask yourselves, "What is Israel's negotiating position supposed to be in any talks with an adversary that a) has never accepted their right to exist, and b) is REQUIRED by their founding charter to wipe Israel off the map and kill Jews? http://avalon.law.ya le.edu/20th_century/ hamas.asp[/p][/quote]Ha ha another apparent Yank having a love-in with the jews. Strange given the fact the majority of Israeli's view America as their little pet. (Maybe not so strange then?) martinswindon
  • Score: -1

12:18pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

@SwindonMartin completely agree people have selective memories the crusades seems to get forgotten as many only start their own history from when they feel they have been harmed.

The US loves to use WW2 as an example of how people can be oppressed yet they choose to forget how much of the country was built on the backs of slaves. US joined WW2 when their interests in the pacific were threatened.
The fact that so many Americans are living way below the poverty line and crime is out of control yet multi billion dollar weapons projects are put in place each week.
There are a host of neighbour countries that have been invaded or destabilised by alphabet agencies all for US interests for many Americans this "war on terror" started in 2001 as they were blissfully unaware or simply didnt care that their military is bombing towns and villages on the other side of the world to allow a US construction firm to extract resources.
Since this thread has started Israel have targeted a UN school killing children in their sleep.

Thank you for you input AmericanEagle but you need to see both side and ask why do these people fight?
So please American tell us again how its only Muslims who are aggressive?

As mentioned above Israel and the Saudis seem to look at the US as puppy now why is that?
@SwindonMartin completely agree people have selective memories the crusades seems to get forgotten as many only start their own history from when they feel they have been harmed. The US loves to use WW2 as an example of how people can be oppressed yet they choose to forget how much of the country was built on the backs of slaves. US joined WW2 when their interests in the pacific were threatened. The fact that so many Americans are living way below the poverty line and crime is out of control yet multi billion dollar weapons projects are put in place each week. There are a host of neighbour countries that have been invaded or destabilised by alphabet agencies all for US interests for many Americans this "war on terror" started in 2001 as they were blissfully unaware or simply didnt care that their military is bombing towns and villages on the other side of the world to allow a US construction firm to extract resources. Since this thread has started Israel have targeted a UN school killing children in their sleep. Thank you for you input AmericanEagle but you need to see both side and ask why do these people fight? So please American tell us again how its only Muslims who are aggressive? As mentioned above Israel and the Saudis seem to look at the US as puppy now why is that? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -1

4:02pm Thu 31 Jul 14

AmericanEagle1392 says...

martinswindon says... Ha ha another apparent Yank having a love-in with the jews.

Martin, before embarrassing yourself any further by laughing like a hyena without addressing a single specific thing I wrote, please read this:

http://avalon.law.ya
le.edu/20th_century/
hamas.asp
martinswindon says... Ha ha another apparent Yank having a love-in with the jews. Martin, before embarrassing yourself any further by laughing like a hyena without addressing a single specific thing I wrote, please read this: http://avalon.law.ya le.edu/20th_century/ hamas.asp AmericanEagle1392
  • Score: 1

4:12pm Thu 31 Jul 14

AmericanEagle1392 says...

Badgersgetabadname says...
Thank you for you input AmericanEagle but you need to see both side and ask why do these people fight?
So please American tell us again how its only Muslims who are aggressive?

RESPONSE:
I think these people, i.e. Arab Muslims fight because Mohammad exhorted them to abolish Jews and Christians. It's why they were allied with the Nazis during WW-II. Since then they have been trying to finish what the Nazis were unable to.

The partition of 1947 was intended by the world community to be the two-state solution for the competing claims of both sides. The Jews accepted the solution. The Muslims did not. To make matters worse, they did not try to negotiate their grievances through the UN - FIVE Arab armies invaded Israel to "push the Jews into the sea". They have never given up that objective. Instead, they put it in writing in 1988 as you can see in the following link:
http://avalon.law.ya
le.edu/20th_century/
hamas.asp

Badgersgetabadname says...
As mentioned above Israel and the Saudis seem to look at the US as puppy now why is that?

RESPONSE:
Because of Barack Obama and his weak and feckless foreign policy.
Badgersgetabadname says... Thank you for you input AmericanEagle but you need to see both side and ask why do these people fight? So please American tell us again how its only Muslims who are aggressive? RESPONSE: I think these people, i.e. Arab Muslims fight because Mohammad exhorted them to abolish Jews and Christians. It's why they were allied with the Nazis during WW-II. Since then they have been trying to finish what the Nazis were unable to. The partition of 1947 was intended by the world community to be the two-state solution for the competing claims of both sides. The Jews accepted the solution. The Muslims did not. To make matters worse, they did not try to negotiate their grievances through the UN - FIVE Arab armies invaded Israel to "push the Jews into the sea". They have never given up that objective. Instead, they put it in writing in 1988 as you can see in the following link: http://avalon.law.ya le.edu/20th_century/ hamas.asp Badgersgetabadname says... As mentioned above Israel and the Saudis seem to look at the US as puppy now why is that? RESPONSE: Because of Barack Obama and his weak and feckless foreign policy. AmericanEagle1392
  • Score: 1

4:19pm Thu 31 Jul 14

AmericanEagle1392 says...

Has anyone on this thread noticed that the primary victims of Islamic radicalism are innocent Muslims who disagree with them?

While every single one of Israel's neighbors has effectively been cleansed of non-Muslims, in Libya, Egypt, Iraq and Syria, Muslims are killing other Muslims.
Has anyone on this thread noticed that the primary victims of Islamic radicalism are innocent Muslims who disagree with them? While every single one of Israel's neighbors has effectively been cleansed of non-Muslims, in Libya, Egypt, Iraq and Syria, Muslims are killing other Muslims. AmericanEagle1392
  • Score: 2

4:56pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

AmericanEagle1392 wrote:
Badgersgetabadname says...
Thank you for you input AmericanEagle but you need to see both side and ask why do these people fight?
So please American tell us again how its only Muslims who are aggressive?

RESPONSE:
I think these people, i.e. Arab Muslims fight because Mohammad exhorted them to abolish Jews and Christians. It's why they were allied with the Nazis during WW-II. Since then they have been trying to finish what the Nazis were unable to.

The partition of 1947 was intended by the world community to be the two-state solution for the competing claims of both sides. The Jews accepted the solution. The Muslims did not. To make matters worse, they did not try to negotiate their grievances through the UN - FIVE Arab armies invaded Israel to "push the Jews into the sea". They have never given up that objective. Instead, they put it in writing in 1988 as you can see in the following link:
http://avalon.law.ya

le.edu/20th_century/

hamas.asp

Badgersgetabadname says...
As mentioned above Israel and the Saudis seem to look at the US as puppy now why is that?

RESPONSE:
Because of Barack Obama and his weak and feckless foreign policy.
I would love to debate this with you but its circular.

You responded to two of my points and seem to of missed the point of all of it but thats ok its what bias does.
The US has been Israels puppy since 48 and Trueman helped to arm Israel (bank rolling the following 40 odd years) nothing to do with Obama,,,why do Americans blame Obama for historical issues that started before he was even born?

Your link to Muslim faith and Nazism is funny though (yes I am aware of the Muslim brigade in ww2) now back to the topic.
The people of Israel were given land in British Palestine the people living there were not considered in this just told to move. Would you be happy if a people you have had nothing in common with and in fact have had wars with were moved onto your land and you had to move?
No legal aid, no support nothing.
What would you do?

You have painted all Muslims as the same when as with all people they are different, have different sects and beliefs and much of the fire and death you quote is taken from extremist sects...
Your first response started with "I think" your opinion although valid is not fact.
Its like saying all Christians are the same to the uneducated eye they all read the Bible so they must be the same...?
[quote][p][bold]AmericanEagle1392[/bold] wrote: Badgersgetabadname says... Thank you for you input AmericanEagle but you need to see both side and ask why do these people fight? So please American tell us again how its only Muslims who are aggressive? RESPONSE: I think these people, i.e. Arab Muslims fight because Mohammad exhorted them to abolish Jews and Christians. It's why they were allied with the Nazis during WW-II. Since then they have been trying to finish what the Nazis were unable to. The partition of 1947 was intended by the world community to be the two-state solution for the competing claims of both sides. The Jews accepted the solution. The Muslims did not. To make matters worse, they did not try to negotiate their grievances through the UN - FIVE Arab armies invaded Israel to "push the Jews into the sea". They have never given up that objective. Instead, they put it in writing in 1988 as you can see in the following link: http://avalon.law.ya le.edu/20th_century/ hamas.asp Badgersgetabadname says... As mentioned above Israel and the Saudis seem to look at the US as puppy now why is that? RESPONSE: Because of Barack Obama and his weak and feckless foreign policy.[/p][/quote]I would love to debate this with you but its circular. You responded to two of my points and seem to of missed the point of all of it but thats ok its what bias does. The US has been Israels puppy since 48 and Trueman helped to arm Israel (bank rolling the following 40 odd years) nothing to do with Obama,,,why do Americans blame Obama for historical issues that started before he was even born? Your link to Muslim faith and Nazism is funny though (yes I am aware of the Muslim brigade in ww2) now back to the topic. The people of Israel were given land in British Palestine the people living there were not considered in this just told to move. Would you be happy if a people you have had nothing in common with and in fact have had wars with were moved onto your land and you had to move? No legal aid, no support nothing. What would you do? You have painted all Muslims as the same when as with all people they are different, have different sects and beliefs and much of the fire and death you quote is taken from extremist sects... Your first response started with "I think" your opinion although valid is not fact. Its like saying all Christians are the same to the uneducated eye they all read the Bible so they must be the same...? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -1

5:03pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Religion is a great thing providing comfort for millions over the ages it has also been used as an excuse by many evil people to commit terrible acts against humanity.
These people are evil the pretense they wish to use is not at fault blame the right things.

As you have stated there are violent terms in the Quran but I would say there as just as many in the Bible.
The LORD is a man of war. Exodus 15:3
Fight in the way of Allah. Quran 2:244

There has never been a war between two countries with McDonalds in.
Religion is a great thing providing comfort for millions over the ages it has also been used as an excuse by many evil people to commit terrible acts against humanity. These people are evil the pretense they wish to use is not at fault blame the right things. As you have stated there are violent terms in the Quran but I would say there as just as many in the Bible. The LORD is a man of war. Exodus 15:3 Fight in the way of Allah. Quran 2:244 There has never been a war between two countries with McDonalds in. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -1

6:12pm Thu 31 Jul 14

AmericanEagle1392 says...

Badgersgetabadname says...
I would love to debate this with you but its circular.

RESPOND:
You are making it circular. The two state solution of 1947 was accepted by the Jews but not the Arabs. The Arabs refused to negotiate. The Arabs took the law into their own hands by invading Israel in 1948. They were defeated. Had they won the region would have been cleansed of Jews - the original inhabitants of the region. The Arabs have refused to compromise since. In fact, they documented their intentions in the Hamas Covenant in 1988 to wipe Israel off the map and kill Jews.

Badgersgetabadname says...
The US has been Israels puppy since 48 and Trueman helped to arm Israel (bank rolling the following 40 odd years) nothing to do with Obama,,,why do Americans blame Obama for historical issues that started before he was even born?

RESPONSE:
The US helped arm Israel to prevent the Arabs from finishing what thelir Nazi allies were unable to. I blame Obama for pressuring Israel to compromise with adversaries that have a) refused to accept Israel's right to exist, and b) are REQUIRED by their founding charters to wipe Israel off the map and kill Jews.

Obama is putting the cart before the horse. Hamas, Fatah, the PLO, etc. have no intentions of any solution that includes Israel. The Palestinian flags show no Israel.

Badgersgetabadname says...
The people of Israel were given land in British Palestine the people living there were not considered in this just told to move. Would you be happy if a people you have had nothing in common with and in fact have had wars with were moved onto your land and you had to move?

RESPONSE:
The people of Israel and their ancestors were the original inhabitants of the region way before Mohammad was even born. They were given a tiny slice of their original homeland as a safe haven after the Nazis and their Arab allies failed to exterminate them in Europe. Initially no one was "displaced" - the incoming Jews from Europe purchased land from the local Arabs. After the FIVE Arab armies invaded Israel many Arabs fled the area to avoid the fighting. Since any land acquired by Israel after 1948 was by defending itself from annihilation, they have no obligation to return any of it without major concessions and peace treaties and pledges of not being attacked again - none of which is forthcoming from the Palestinians, who continue to pledge to wipe Israel off the map and kill Jews.

Badgersgetabadname says...
No legal aid, no support nothing.

RESPONSE:
This allegation is clearly false. The Palestinians have been supported financially by the US and other countries since they were displaced.
Badgersgetabadname says... I would love to debate this with you but its circular. RESPOND: You are making it circular. The two state solution of 1947 was accepted by the Jews but not the Arabs. The Arabs refused to negotiate. The Arabs took the law into their own hands by invading Israel in 1948. They were defeated. Had they won the region would have been cleansed of Jews - the original inhabitants of the region. The Arabs have refused to compromise since. In fact, they documented their intentions in the Hamas Covenant in 1988 to wipe Israel off the map and kill Jews. Badgersgetabadname says... The US has been Israels puppy since 48 and Trueman helped to arm Israel (bank rolling the following 40 odd years) nothing to do with Obama,,,why do Americans blame Obama for historical issues that started before he was even born? RESPONSE: The US helped arm Israel to prevent the Arabs from finishing what thelir Nazi allies were unable to. I blame Obama for pressuring Israel to compromise with adversaries that have a) refused to accept Israel's right to exist, and b) are REQUIRED by their founding charters to wipe Israel off the map and kill Jews. Obama is putting the cart before the horse. Hamas, Fatah, the PLO, etc. have no intentions of any solution that includes Israel. The Palestinian flags show no Israel. Badgersgetabadname says... The people of Israel were given land in British Palestine the people living there were not considered in this just told to move. Would you be happy if a people you have had nothing in common with and in fact have had wars with were moved onto your land and you had to move? RESPONSE: The people of Israel and their ancestors were the original inhabitants of the region way before Mohammad was even born. They were given a tiny slice of their original homeland as a safe haven after the Nazis and their Arab allies failed to exterminate them in Europe. Initially no one was "displaced" - the incoming Jews from Europe purchased land from the local Arabs. After the FIVE Arab armies invaded Israel many Arabs fled the area to avoid the fighting. Since any land acquired by Israel after 1948 was by defending itself from annihilation, they have no obligation to return any of it without major concessions and peace treaties and pledges of not being attacked again - none of which is forthcoming from the Palestinians, who continue to pledge to wipe Israel off the map and kill Jews. Badgersgetabadname says... No legal aid, no support nothing. RESPONSE: This allegation is clearly false. The Palestinians have been supported financially by the US and other countries since they were displaced. AmericanEagle1392
  • Score: 1

6:19pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

The people of Israel and their ancestors were the original inhabitants of the region way before Mohammad was even born

Any supporting evidence for this that isnt a religious book?
The people of Israel and their ancestors were the original inhabitants of the region way before Mohammad was even born Any supporting evidence for this that isnt a religious book? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -2

6:28pm Thu 31 Jul 14

AmericanEagle1392 says...

Badgersgetabadname says...
As you have stated there are violent terms in the Quran but I would say there as just as many in the Bible.

RESPONSE:
There is no violence in the New Testament of the Bible - just the opposite.

However, evil, renegade Christian supremacists conducted the Crusades, which was clearly a violation of everything that Christ taught, which was love and compassion.

When Christians do bad things it is other Christians who confront them and bring them to justice. By contrast, the 90% of Muslims who are non-violent stay silent when Muslims terrorize others to achieve political objectives. They look the other way when Muslim men brutalize Muslim women and girls by denying them education, or freedom from covering themselves, or female genital mutilation, or the hideous, barbaric practice of honor killings by their own families.

Since those medieval days of the Crusades it has been mostly Christians who defeated the Nazis, Facists and Imperialists in WW-II. It was mostly Christians who confronted and brought down the old Soviet Union and their goal of world domination. It was mostly Christians that fought to make Muslim Kosovo become free from the renegade Christian Serbs while Muslim countries did nothing to help them. It was mostly Christians who helped Muslim Indonesia after the tsunamis a few years ago while Muslim countries did nothing to help.
Badgersgetabadname says... As you have stated there are violent terms in the Quran but I would say there as just as many in the Bible. RESPONSE: There is no violence in the New Testament of the Bible - just the opposite. However, evil, renegade Christian supremacists conducted the Crusades, which was clearly a violation of everything that Christ taught, which was love and compassion. When Christians do bad things it is other Christians who confront them and bring them to justice. By contrast, the 90% of Muslims who are non-violent stay silent when Muslims terrorize others to achieve political objectives. They look the other way when Muslim men brutalize Muslim women and girls by denying them education, or freedom from covering themselves, or female genital mutilation, or the hideous, barbaric practice of honor killings by their own families. Since those medieval days of the Crusades it has been mostly Christians who defeated the Nazis, Facists and Imperialists in WW-II. It was mostly Christians who confronted and brought down the old Soviet Union and their goal of world domination. It was mostly Christians that fought to make Muslim Kosovo become free from the renegade Christian Serbs while Muslim countries did nothing to help them. It was mostly Christians who helped Muslim Indonesia after the tsunamis a few years ago while Muslim countries did nothing to help. AmericanEagle1392
  • Score: 1

6:40pm Thu 31 Jul 14

AmericanEagle1392 says...

Badgersgetabadname says...
The people of Israel and their ancestors were the original inhabitants of the region way before Mohammad was even born

Any supporting evidence for this that isnt a religious book?

RESPOND:
Only the evidence provided by Roman, Greek and Jewish historians outside the Bible.

The new best selling book "Killing Jesus" was written from a historical perspective and contains no religious references whatsoever.
Badgersgetabadname says... The people of Israel and their ancestors were the original inhabitants of the region way before Mohammad was even born Any supporting evidence for this that isnt a religious book? RESPOND: Only the evidence provided by Roman, Greek and Jewish historians outside the Bible. The new best selling book "Killing Jesus" was written from a historical perspective and contains no religious references whatsoever. AmericanEagle1392
  • Score: 1

7:05pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

AmericanEagle1392 wrote:
Badgersgetabadname says...
As you have stated there are violent terms in the Quran but I would say there as just as many in the Bible.

RESPONSE:
There is no violence in the New Testament of the Bible - just the opposite.

However, evil, renegade Christian supremacists conducted the Crusades, which was clearly a violation of everything that Christ taught, which was love and compassion.

When Christians do bad things it is other Christians who confront them and bring them to justice. By contrast, the 90% of Muslims who are non-violent stay silent when Muslims terrorize others to achieve political objectives. They look the other way when Muslim men brutalize Muslim women and girls by denying them education, or freedom from covering themselves, or female genital mutilation, or the hideous, barbaric practice of honor killings by their own families.

Since those medieval days of the Crusades it has been mostly Christians who defeated the Nazis, Facists and Imperialists in WW-II. It was mostly Christians who confronted and brought down the old Soviet Union and their goal of world domination. It was mostly Christians that fought to make Muslim Kosovo become free from the renegade Christian Serbs while Muslim countries did nothing to help them. It was mostly Christians who helped Muslim Indonesia after the tsunamis a few years ago while Muslim countries did nothing to help.
So are we skipping evidence of who lived there first and apparently skipping all the countries the US have bombed into compliance.

You really are keen on the fact there was a Muslim brigade that fought with the Germans so lets go with that, why did some Arabs fight along side Germany?
They had spent years under the boot heel of colonial powers and saw the Germans as liberators as did some countries in Europe.
There was no internet then so they would o been unaware of the horrors of the death camps...Which by the way were a British invention and not a German one.

So you can acknowledge that some people with Christian beliefs can be evil people but all Muslims are bad?
There are a number of Muslim groups across Britain and the rest of the world that actively discourage radical systems.

If you were to count how many Christian troops were on the allies you may well be correct in saying most were in fact Christian but I feel that would offend those that joined from all the other countries Gurka for instance (there are many more) this is without naming countries that we converted to Christianity at gun point but yes I see your point.

I think that only focusing on the now makes people lose sight of how the situation came about in the first place.
Yes in some situations awful things happen but ask why more and what made this event happen.
[quote][p][bold]AmericanEagle1392[/bold] wrote: Badgersgetabadname says... As you have stated there are violent terms in the Quran but I would say there as just as many in the Bible. RESPONSE: There is no violence in the New Testament of the Bible - just the opposite. However, evil, renegade Christian supremacists conducted the Crusades, which was clearly a violation of everything that Christ taught, which was love and compassion. When Christians do bad things it is other Christians who confront them and bring them to justice. By contrast, the 90% of Muslims who are non-violent stay silent when Muslims terrorize others to achieve political objectives. They look the other way when Muslim men brutalize Muslim women and girls by denying them education, or freedom from covering themselves, or female genital mutilation, or the hideous, barbaric practice of honor killings by their own families. Since those medieval days of the Crusades it has been mostly Christians who defeated the Nazis, Facists and Imperialists in WW-II. It was mostly Christians who confronted and brought down the old Soviet Union and their goal of world domination. It was mostly Christians that fought to make Muslim Kosovo become free from the renegade Christian Serbs while Muslim countries did nothing to help them. It was mostly Christians who helped Muslim Indonesia after the tsunamis a few years ago while Muslim countries did nothing to help.[/p][/quote]So are we skipping evidence of who lived there first and apparently skipping all the countries the US have bombed into compliance. You really are keen on the fact there was a Muslim brigade that fought with the Germans so lets go with that, why did some Arabs fight along side Germany? They had spent years under the boot heel of colonial powers and saw the Germans as liberators as did some countries in Europe. There was no internet then so they would o been unaware of the horrors of the death camps...Which by the way were a British invention and not a German one. So you can acknowledge that some people with Christian beliefs can be evil people but all Muslims are bad? There are a number of Muslim groups across Britain and the rest of the world that actively discourage radical systems. If you were to count how many Christian troops were on the allies you may well be correct in saying most were in fact Christian but I feel that would offend those that joined from all the other countries Gurka for instance (there are many more) this is without naming countries that we converted to Christianity at gun point but yes I see your point. I think that only focusing on the now makes people lose sight of how the situation came about in the first place. Yes in some situations awful things happen but ask why more and what made this event happen. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -1

7:08pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

AmericanEagle1392 wrote:
Badgersgetabadname says...
The people of Israel and their ancestors were the original inhabitants of the region way before Mohammad was even born

Any supporting evidence for this that isnt a religious book?

RESPOND:
Only the evidence provided by Roman, Greek and Jewish historians outside the Bible.

The new best selling book "Killing Jesus" was written from a historical perspective and contains no religious references whatsoever.
Any actual links, authors or something I can read?
[quote][p][bold]AmericanEagle1392[/bold] wrote: Badgersgetabadname says... The people of Israel and their ancestors were the original inhabitants of the region way before Mohammad was even born Any supporting evidence for this that isnt a religious book? RESPOND: Only the evidence provided by Roman, Greek and Jewish historians outside the Bible. The new best selling book "Killing Jesus" was written from a historical perspective and contains no religious references whatsoever.[/p][/quote]Any actual links, authors or something I can read? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 0

7:30pm Thu 31 Jul 14

AmericanEagle1392 says...

Badgersgetabadname - why do you waste bandwidth by repeating everything someone writes? Can't you take excerpts that you take issue with?

Badgersgetabadname -
So are we skipping evidence of who lived there first and apparently skipping all the countries the US have bombed into compliance.

RESPONSE:
No, we are discussing how the Arabs have been trying to wipe Israel off the map since 1947, when they were handed the two-state solution they are begging for now but wanted it all.

Badgersgetabadname -
There was no internet then so they would o been unaware of the horrors of the death camps...Which by the way were a British invention and not a German one.

RESPONSE:
So the Holocaust was a British invention and the Arabs who collaborated with the Nazis did so because there was no internet?

What planet do you live on?

Badgersgetabadname -
So you can acknowledge that some people with Christian beliefs can be evil people but all Muslims are bad?

RESPONSE:
You seem to be having a problem keeping up. I said that Christians confront their own bad guys, even on behalf of Muslims. I said that 90% of Muslims are non-violent IN SPITE of the Qu'ran. I also said that they look the other way instead of confronting their own renegades who are terrorizing people in the name of Islam. What about this are you having such a hard time grasping?

Badgersgetabadname -
I think that only focusing on the now makes people lose sight of how the situation came about in the first place.
Yes in some situations awful things happen but ask why more and what made this event happen.

RESPONSE:
Based on this kind of thinking conflicts should never end because of what started them. The current situation came about because the Arabs refused to accept the partition of 1947. The current situation continues because of the written objectives of the Arabs is to wipe Israel off the map and kill Jews, whereas Israel has no interest in being wiped off the map, and has the strength to prevail. If FIVE Arab armies could not defeat them before they even got started what are the chances they can prevail now, with Iraq, Lebanon, Egypt and Jordan on the sidelines?

The Arabs forget that there was a similar partition of the Indian sub-continent in 1947 and it was equally "fair" or "unfair" depending on whose ox was being gored. Millions of Muslims and Hindus were displaced on both sides and lost everything without any compensation or BILLIONS in US and other aid as is being given to the Palestinians for 65 years now. Yet, unlike the Arabs they accepted their partition, claim no right of return, and moved on with their lives.
Badgersgetabadname - why do you waste bandwidth by repeating everything someone writes? Can't you take excerpts that you take issue with? Badgersgetabadname - So are we skipping evidence of who lived there first and apparently skipping all the countries the US have bombed into compliance. RESPONSE: No, we are discussing how the Arabs have been trying to wipe Israel off the map since 1947, when they were handed the two-state solution they are begging for now but wanted it all. Badgersgetabadname - There was no internet then so they would o been unaware of the horrors of the death camps...Which by the way were a British invention and not a German one. RESPONSE: So the Holocaust was a British invention and the Arabs who collaborated with the Nazis did so because there was no internet? What planet do you live on? Badgersgetabadname - So you can acknowledge that some people with Christian beliefs can be evil people but all Muslims are bad? RESPONSE: You seem to be having a problem keeping up. I said that Christians confront their own bad guys, even on behalf of Muslims. I said that 90% of Muslims are non-violent IN SPITE of the Qu'ran. I also said that they look the other way instead of confronting their own renegades who are terrorizing people in the name of Islam. What about this are you having such a hard time grasping? Badgersgetabadname - I think that only focusing on the now makes people lose sight of how the situation came about in the first place. Yes in some situations awful things happen but ask why more and what made this event happen. RESPONSE: Based on this kind of thinking conflicts should never end because of what started them. The current situation came about because the Arabs refused to accept the partition of 1947. The current situation continues because of the written objectives of the Arabs is to wipe Israel off the map and kill Jews, whereas Israel has no interest in being wiped off the map, and has the strength to prevail. If FIVE Arab armies could not defeat them before they even got started what are the chances they can prevail now, with Iraq, Lebanon, Egypt and Jordan on the sidelines? The Arabs forget that there was a similar partition of the Indian sub-continent in 1947 and it was equally "fair" or "unfair" depending on whose ox was being gored. Millions of Muslims and Hindus were displaced on both sides and lost everything without any compensation or BILLIONS in US and other aid as is being given to the Palestinians for 65 years now. Yet, unlike the Arabs they accepted their partition, claim no right of return, and moved on with their lives. AmericanEagle1392
  • Score: 1

8:24pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

AmericanEagle1392 wrote:
Badgersgetabadname - why do you waste bandwidth by repeating everything someone writes? Can't you take excerpts that you take issue with?

Badgersgetabadname -
So are we skipping evidence of who lived there first and apparently skipping all the countries the US have bombed into compliance.

RESPONSE:
No, we are discussing how the Arabs have been trying to wipe Israel off the map since 1947, when they were handed the two-state solution they are begging for now but wanted it all.

Badgersgetabadname -
There was no internet then so they would o been unaware of the horrors of the death camps...Which by the way were a British invention and not a German one.

RESPONSE:
So the Holocaust was a British invention and the Arabs who collaborated with the Nazis did so because there was no internet?

What planet do you live on?

Badgersgetabadname -
So you can acknowledge that some people with Christian beliefs can be evil people but all Muslims are bad?

RESPONSE:
You seem to be having a problem keeping up. I said that Christians confront their own bad guys, even on behalf of Muslims. I said that 90% of Muslims are non-violent IN SPITE of the Qu'ran. I also said that they look the other way instead of confronting their own renegades who are terrorizing people in the name of Islam. What about this are you having such a hard time grasping?

Badgersgetabadname -
I think that only focusing on the now makes people lose sight of how the situation came about in the first place.
Yes in some situations awful things happen but ask why more and what made this event happen.

RESPONSE:
Based on this kind of thinking conflicts should never end because of what started them. The current situation came about because the Arabs refused to accept the partition of 1947. The current situation continues because of the written objectives of the Arabs is to wipe Israel off the map and kill Jews, whereas Israel has no interest in being wiped off the map, and has the strength to prevail. If FIVE Arab armies could not defeat them before they even got started what are the chances they can prevail now, with Iraq, Lebanon, Egypt and Jordan on the sidelines?

The Arabs forget that there was a similar partition of the Indian sub-continent in 1947 and it was equally "fair" or "unfair" depending on whose ox was being gored. Millions of Muslims and Hindus were displaced on both sides and lost everything without any compensation or BILLIONS in US and other aid as is being given to the Palestinians for 65 years now. Yet, unlike the Arabs they accepted their partition, claim no right of return, and moved on with their lives.
So what your saying is there is no evidence of Israelis living there?
Nothing other than religious literature which is bias of course.

What does anything in India have to do with Palestine?
I did not say the holocaust was British I said death camps were I can appreciate you are American but really this is only English.

Why should they of accepted the placing of a foreign country in the middle of their own. Israel has no rights there unless of course you know of actual evidence to support this?
You change your point allot which makes it hard to read.

I think you know why the situation is as it is but your own bias will not allow you to get past this. Are you of the jewish faith?
[quote][p][bold]AmericanEagle1392[/bold] wrote: Badgersgetabadname - why do you waste bandwidth by repeating everything someone writes? Can't you take excerpts that you take issue with? Badgersgetabadname - So are we skipping evidence of who lived there first and apparently skipping all the countries the US have bombed into compliance. RESPONSE: No, we are discussing how the Arabs have been trying to wipe Israel off the map since 1947, when they were handed the two-state solution they are begging for now but wanted it all. Badgersgetabadname - There was no internet then so they would o been unaware of the horrors of the death camps...Which by the way were a British invention and not a German one. RESPONSE: So the Holocaust was a British invention and the Arabs who collaborated with the Nazis did so because there was no internet? What planet do you live on? Badgersgetabadname - So you can acknowledge that some people with Christian beliefs can be evil people but all Muslims are bad? RESPONSE: You seem to be having a problem keeping up. I said that Christians confront their own bad guys, even on behalf of Muslims. I said that 90% of Muslims are non-violent IN SPITE of the Qu'ran. I also said that they look the other way instead of confronting their own renegades who are terrorizing people in the name of Islam. What about this are you having such a hard time grasping? Badgersgetabadname - I think that only focusing on the now makes people lose sight of how the situation came about in the first place. Yes in some situations awful things happen but ask why more and what made this event happen. RESPONSE: Based on this kind of thinking conflicts should never end because of what started them. The current situation came about because the Arabs refused to accept the partition of 1947. The current situation continues because of the written objectives of the Arabs is to wipe Israel off the map and kill Jews, whereas Israel has no interest in being wiped off the map, and has the strength to prevail. If FIVE Arab armies could not defeat them before they even got started what are the chances they can prevail now, with Iraq, Lebanon, Egypt and Jordan on the sidelines? The Arabs forget that there was a similar partition of the Indian sub-continent in 1947 and it was equally "fair" or "unfair" depending on whose ox was being gored. Millions of Muslims and Hindus were displaced on both sides and lost everything without any compensation or BILLIONS in US and other aid as is being given to the Palestinians for 65 years now. Yet, unlike the Arabs they accepted their partition, claim no right of return, and moved on with their lives.[/p][/quote]So what your saying is there is no evidence of Israelis living there? Nothing other than religious literature which is bias of course. What does anything in India have to do with Palestine? I did not say the holocaust was British I said death camps were I can appreciate you are American but really this is only English. Why should they of accepted the placing of a foreign country in the middle of their own. Israel has no rights there unless of course you know of actual evidence to support this? You change your point allot which makes it hard to read. I think you know why the situation is as it is but your own bias will not allow you to get past this. Are you of the jewish faith? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -1

9:58pm Thu 31 Jul 14

AmericanEagle1392 says...

Badgersgetabadname says...
So what your saying is there is no evidence of Israelis living there?

RESPONSE:
No, I'm saying that the historical evidence shows that the Jews lived in the Levant hundreds of years before Mohammad was even born. Muslims were the occupiers until the Ottomans were defeated by the Brits in WW-II.

Badgersgetabadname says...
What does anything in India have to do with Palestine?

RESPONSE:
The Indian and Israeli-Palestine partitions had similar objectives - solving the competing claims of bot sides. Of te four major parties involved only the Arabs refused to accept these solutions. What is worse, the Arabs then embarked on a campaign to wipe Israel off the map and kill Jews which has continued for 65 years.

Badgersgetabadname says...
Why should they of accepted the placing of a foreign country in the middle of their own.

RESPONSE:
There was no country called "Palestine". Jews had lived in the region far longer than the Arabs, which is what Palestinians are. The Arabs had no rights to be there any more than the Jews did. That was the competing claims that the partition was designed to solve.

Badgersgetabadname says...
I think you know why the situation is as it is but your own bias will not allow you to get past this. Are you of the jewish faith?

RESPONSE:
No, I am a Christian - the other religion that Mohammad asked his followers to destroy. Christians like Jews have been basically cleansed from every Muslim majority country, and are being massacred right now in Syria, Iraq and Africa by Muslim terrorists.
Badgersgetabadname says... So what your saying is there is no evidence of Israelis living there? RESPONSE: No, I'm saying that the historical evidence shows that the Jews lived in the Levant hundreds of years before Mohammad was even born. Muslims were the occupiers until the Ottomans were defeated by the Brits in WW-II. Badgersgetabadname says... What does anything in India have to do with Palestine? RESPONSE: The Indian and Israeli-Palestine partitions had similar objectives - solving the competing claims of bot sides. Of te four major parties involved only the Arabs refused to accept these solutions. What is worse, the Arabs then embarked on a campaign to wipe Israel off the map and kill Jews which has continued for 65 years. Badgersgetabadname says... Why should they of accepted the placing of a foreign country in the middle of their own. RESPONSE: There was no country called "Palestine". Jews had lived in the region far longer than the Arabs, which is what Palestinians are. The Arabs had no rights to be there any more than the Jews did. That was the competing claims that the partition was designed to solve. Badgersgetabadname says... I think you know why the situation is as it is but your own bias will not allow you to get past this. Are you of the jewish faith? RESPONSE: No, I am a Christian - the other religion that Mohammad asked his followers to destroy. Christians like Jews have been basically cleansed from every Muslim majority country, and are being massacred right now in Syria, Iraq and Africa by Muslim terrorists. AmericanEagle1392
  • Score: 1

11:59am Fri 1 Aug 14

IfItsONtheNet says...

AmericanEagle1392 wrote:
Badgersgetabadname says...
So what your saying is there is no evidence of Israelis living there?

RESPONSE:
No, I'm saying that the historical evidence shows that the Jews lived in the Levant hundreds of years before Mohammad was even born. Muslims were the occupiers until the Ottomans were defeated by the Brits in WW-II.

Badgersgetabadname says...
What does anything in India have to do with Palestine?

RESPONSE:
The Indian and Israeli-Palestine partitions had similar objectives - solving the competing claims of bot sides. Of te four major parties involved only the Arabs refused to accept these solutions. What is worse, the Arabs then embarked on a campaign to wipe Israel off the map and kill Jews which has continued for 65 years.

Badgersgetabadname says...
Why should they of accepted the placing of a foreign country in the middle of their own.

RESPONSE:
There was no country called "Palestine". Jews had lived in the region far longer than the Arabs, which is what Palestinians are. The Arabs had no rights to be there any more than the Jews did. That was the competing claims that the partition was designed to solve.

Badgersgetabadname says...
I think you know why the situation is as it is but your own bias will not allow you to get past this. Are you of the jewish faith?

RESPONSE:
No, I am a Christian - the other religion that Mohammad asked his followers to destroy. Christians like Jews have been basically cleansed from every Muslim majority country, and are being massacred right now in Syria, Iraq and Africa by Muslim terrorists.
No, I'm saying that the historical evidence shows that the Jews lived in the Levant hundreds of years before Mohammad was even born. Muslims were the occupiers until the Ottomans were defeated by the Brits in WW-II.

But nothing you can reference or written?
[quote][p][bold]AmericanEagle1392[/bold] wrote: Badgersgetabadname says... So what your saying is there is no evidence of Israelis living there? RESPONSE: No, I'm saying that the historical evidence shows that the Jews lived in the Levant hundreds of years before Mohammad was even born. Muslims were the occupiers until the Ottomans were defeated by the Brits in WW-II. Badgersgetabadname says... What does anything in India have to do with Palestine? RESPONSE: The Indian and Israeli-Palestine partitions had similar objectives - solving the competing claims of bot sides. Of te four major parties involved only the Arabs refused to accept these solutions. What is worse, the Arabs then embarked on a campaign to wipe Israel off the map and kill Jews which has continued for 65 years. Badgersgetabadname says... Why should they of accepted the placing of a foreign country in the middle of their own. RESPONSE: There was no country called "Palestine". Jews had lived in the region far longer than the Arabs, which is what Palestinians are. The Arabs had no rights to be there any more than the Jews did. That was the competing claims that the partition was designed to solve. Badgersgetabadname says... I think you know why the situation is as it is but your own bias will not allow you to get past this. Are you of the jewish faith? RESPONSE: No, I am a Christian - the other religion that Mohammad asked his followers to destroy. Christians like Jews have been basically cleansed from every Muslim majority country, and are being massacred right now in Syria, Iraq and Africa by Muslim terrorists.[/p][/quote]No, I'm saying that the historical evidence shows that the Jews lived in the Levant hundreds of years before Mohammad was even born. Muslims were the occupiers until the Ottomans were defeated by the Brits in WW-II. But nothing you can reference or written? IfItsONtheNet
  • Score: -1

12:15pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

@AmericanEagle1392

Until you can find a credible source stating Jews lived in these lands the rest of the debate is spurious.
The Torah (which may be the writing you are referencing) states it was the land of the Jews but that states the land goes from existing lands across Syria and into Egypt surely they should be living there as well?
Those countries have armies though rather than kids throwing rocks so I understand why not.
@AmericanEagle1392 Until you can find a credible source stating Jews lived in these lands the rest of the debate is spurious. The Torah (which may be the writing you are referencing) states it was the land of the Jews but that states the land goes from existing lands across Syria and into Egypt surely they should be living there as well? Those countries have armies though rather than kids throwing rocks so I understand why not. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -1

2:52pm Fri 1 Aug 14

AmericanEagle1392 says...

Badgersgetabadname says...
Until you can find a credible source stating Jews lived in these lands the rest of the debate is spurious.

RESPONSE:
With ignorance like this no wonder the middle=east is in flames.

I did not use the Torah as a reference.

You have no proof that Mohammad did not make up the Qu'ran out of whole cloth.

The Jews don't live in Syria or Egypt because that is not what they were given as part of the partition of 1947.

I think you have forgotten that the nascent Israel defeated FIVE Arab armies in 1948 including Syria and Egypt. They are much stronger now.

Egypt has a peace treaty with Israel and are helping them destroy Hamas.

You Palestinians need to get a life. Oops, I forgot - you prefer death so you can be with Allah.
Badgersgetabadname says... Until you can find a credible source stating Jews lived in these lands the rest of the debate is spurious. RESPONSE: With ignorance like this no wonder the middle=east is in flames. I did not use the Torah as a reference. You have no proof that Mohammad did not make up the Qu'ran out of whole cloth. The Jews don't live in Syria or Egypt because that is not what they were given as part of the partition of 1947. I think you have forgotten that the nascent Israel defeated FIVE Arab armies in 1948 including Syria and Egypt. They are much stronger now. Egypt has a peace treaty with Israel and are helping them destroy Hamas. You Palestinians need to get a life. Oops, I forgot - you prefer death so you can be with Allah. AmericanEagle1392
  • Score: 1

3:03pm Fri 1 Aug 14

AmericanEagle1392 says...

IfItsONtheNet says...
But nothing you can reference or written?

RESPONSE:
http://www.livius.or
g/di-dn/diaspora/rom
e.html

Quote:
The Jewish community in the Roman Diaspora dates back to the second century BCE and was comparatively large. Several synagogues and catacombs are known. After the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE, the community remained at some distance from the new, rabbinical Judaism of Judaeae, maintaining several archaic traits.

The history of the Jewish community of ancient Rome is known from several classical, Latin and Greek sources. Some additional information on cult practices can be found in the Talmud. The inscriptions found in the catacombs are valuable sources of information on the synagogues.

Classical authors
One of the key texts is written by the Jewish philosopher Philo of Alexandria, who visited Rome as a member of an embassy to the emperor Caligula (40 CE). In his report, he gives an overview of the life of the Jews in Rome, mentioning that their position had been guaranteed by the emperor Augustus. He had permitted them to send their tax (the 'first fruits') to Jerusalem, to receive the Roman citizenship, and to study Jewish (instead of Roman) laws. He also had decreed that if a Jew were scheduled to receive his monthly grain ratio on a Saturday, he were allowed to return later (Philo, Embasy 156-158).

This is a highly idealized picture. Rome was not the Jewish paradise that Philo wants to show. For example, the water of the Aqua Alsietina was unhealthy and could only be used for irrigation purposes. However, the Jews were forced to use this aqueduct, because it led to their quarter.

The attitudes of the non-Jewish Romans are described by the poet Juvenal. who makes fun of the strange habits of Jews in general (Satire 14.96-106) and the poverty of the Jews near the Porta Capena in particular (3.10-16). The accusation of poverty is typical for Greek and Roman anti-Semitism; among the strange habits are the abstinence from pork, the study of the Law of Moses (regarded as a refusal to obey the Roman law), circumcision, anti-social behavior, and the maintenance of the Sabbath (considered to be laziness).

The Roman government was not really interested in the Jews, as can be shown from the fact that even a well-meaning emperor like Augustus did not know that the Jews were permitted to eat on the Sabbath (Suetonius, Life of Augustus 76).

It is possible to estimate the number of Roman Jews during the reign of Augustus. The Jewish historian Flavius Josephus mentions a lawsuit in which 8,000 Jews from Rome sided with one of the parties (Jewish antiquities 2.80). They must have been adult men, because women and children were not permitted to take part in a lawsuit. Since a nuclear family consisted of at least four or five members, there must have been some 40,000 Jews. It is likely that this number rose after the mass deportation of prisoners of war after the fall of Jerusalem in 70 CE. This is mirrored by the enormous size of the Monteverde catacomb.
Unquote.
IfItsONtheNet says... But nothing you can reference or written? RESPONSE: http://www.livius.or g/di-dn/diaspora/rom e.html Quote: The Jewish community in the Roman Diaspora dates back to the second century BCE and was comparatively large. Several synagogues and catacombs are known. After the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE, the community remained at some distance from the new, rabbinical Judaism of Judaeae, maintaining several archaic traits. The history of the Jewish community of ancient Rome is known from several classical, Latin and Greek sources. Some additional information on cult practices can be found in the Talmud. The inscriptions found in the catacombs are valuable sources of information on the synagogues. Classical authors One of the key texts is written by the Jewish philosopher Philo of Alexandria, who visited Rome as a member of an embassy to the emperor Caligula (40 CE). In his report, he gives an overview of the life of the Jews in Rome, mentioning that their position had been guaranteed by the emperor Augustus. He had permitted them to send their tax (the 'first fruits') to Jerusalem, to receive the Roman citizenship, and to study Jewish (instead of Roman) laws. He also had decreed that if a Jew were scheduled to receive his monthly grain ratio on a Saturday, he were allowed to return later (Philo, Embasy 156-158). This is a highly idealized picture. Rome was not the Jewish paradise that Philo wants to show. For example, the water of the Aqua Alsietina was unhealthy and could only be used for irrigation purposes. However, the Jews were forced to use this aqueduct, because it led to their quarter. The attitudes of the non-Jewish Romans are described by the poet Juvenal. who makes fun of the strange habits of Jews in general (Satire 14.96-106) and the poverty of the Jews near the Porta Capena in particular (3.10-16). The accusation of poverty is typical for Greek and Roman anti-Semitism; among the strange habits are the abstinence from pork, the study of the Law of Moses (regarded as a refusal to obey the Roman law), circumcision, anti-social behavior, and the maintenance of the Sabbath (considered to be laziness). The Roman government was not really interested in the Jews, as can be shown from the fact that even a well-meaning emperor like Augustus did not know that the Jews were permitted to eat on the Sabbath (Suetonius, Life of Augustus 76). It is possible to estimate the number of Roman Jews during the reign of Augustus. The Jewish historian Flavius Josephus mentions a lawsuit in which 8,000 Jews from Rome sided with one of the parties (Jewish antiquities 2.80). They must have been adult men, because women and children were not permitted to take part in a lawsuit. Since a nuclear family consisted of at least four or five members, there must have been some 40,000 Jews. It is likely that this number rose after the mass deportation of prisoners of war after the fall of Jerusalem in 70 CE. This is mirrored by the enormous size of the Monteverde catacomb. Unquote. AmericanEagle1392
  • Score: 1

6:52pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

@American

OK I did ask for a credible source rather than a site written by a man who has been linked to far right groups in the Neatherlands and himself claims to be Aryan. He has been brought up on numerous charges of racism.

Just to help you out a credible source is an independent that can be believed due to impartiality.
http://dictionary.re
ference.com/browse/c
redible
@American OK I did ask for a credible source rather than a site written by a man who has been linked to far right groups in the Neatherlands and himself claims to be Aryan. He has been brought up on numerous charges of racism. Just to help you out a credible source is an independent that can be believed due to impartiality. http://dictionary.re ference.com/browse/c redible Badgersgetabadname
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7:42pm Fri 1 Aug 14

AmericanEagle1392 says...

@
Badgersgetabadname

You are not a credible commenter. Not only are you ignorant about the history of the middle-east, you haven't provided any proof that Mohammad wrote the Qu'ran which raises questions about Islam being a legitimate religion.

Besides, it does not matter what you believe about the Jews - unless you can displace them by force you can keep dreaming that they do not belong in Israel. No one with more than half a brain is concerned about people with your monumental ignorance or dishonesty.
@ Badgersgetabadname You are not a credible commenter. Not only are you ignorant about the history of the middle-east, you haven't provided any proof that Mohammad wrote the Qu'ran which raises questions about Islam being a legitimate religion. Besides, it does not matter what you believe about the Jews - unless you can displace them by force you can keep dreaming that they do not belong in Israel. No one with more than half a brain is concerned about people with your monumental ignorance or dishonesty. AmericanEagle1392
  • Score: 1

8:38pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

AmericanEagle1392 wrote:
@
Badgersgetabadname

You are not a credible commenter. Not only are you ignorant about the history of the middle-east, you haven't provided any proof that Mohammad wrote the Qu'ran which raises questions about Islam being a legitimate religion.

Besides, it does not matter what you believe about the Jews - unless you can displace them by force you can keep dreaming that they do not belong in Israel. No one with more than half a brain is concerned about people with your monumental ignorance or dishonesty.
Where and when did I say I would have any proof of anything.
If I state something it is because I know it to be true or can at least reference an unbiased source for information.

Again you have strayed from topic in an attempt to muddy the debate.

Now as for your sort of point ignorance and dishonesty??? what brought that on?
Is it because you are using your opinion as fact? I appreciate it can be confusing its a big subject.

" unless you can displace them by force you can keep dreaming that they do not belong in Israel"
There you go a beautiful example of US - Israeli relations if it doesnt agree the go to is force. The US and it political leaders are a simple bunch agree with us or get bombed....Sad very sad.

Anything I have stated I can reference and show sources you have used a right wing nut job as a reference, his page was the first one you googled wasnt it?

A simple I dont understand would of been fine and I could of used smaller words for you.

So you have no evidence to support your point and have resorted to name calling,,,bless.
[quote][p][bold]AmericanEagle1392[/bold] wrote: @ Badgersgetabadname You are not a credible commenter. Not only are you ignorant about the history of the middle-east, you haven't provided any proof that Mohammad wrote the Qu'ran which raises questions about Islam being a legitimate religion. Besides, it does not matter what you believe about the Jews - unless you can displace them by force you can keep dreaming that they do not belong in Israel. No one with more than half a brain is concerned about people with your monumental ignorance or dishonesty.[/p][/quote]Where and when did I say I would have any proof of anything. If I state something it is because I know it to be true or can at least reference an unbiased source for information. Again you have strayed from topic in an attempt to muddy the debate. Now as for your sort of point ignorance and dishonesty??? what brought that on? Is it because you are using your opinion as fact? I appreciate it can be confusing its a big subject. " unless you can displace them by force you can keep dreaming that they do not belong in Israel" There you go a beautiful example of US - Israeli relations if it doesnt agree the go to is force. The US and it political leaders are a simple bunch agree with us or get bombed....Sad very sad. Anything I have stated I can reference and show sources you have used a right wing nut job as a reference, his page was the first one you googled wasnt it? A simple I dont understand would of been fine and I could of used smaller words for you. So you have no evidence to support your point and have resorted to name calling,,,bless. Badgersgetabadname
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9:17pm Fri 1 Aug 14

AmericanEagle1392 says...

Badgersgetabadname says...
Where and when did I say I would have any proof of anything.

RESPONSE:
There is more historical proof that Jews inhabited the Levant 5,000 years ago than there is that Mohammad wrote the Qu'ran.

Badgersgetabadname says...
Now as for your sort of point ignorance and dishonesty??? what brought that on?

RESPONSE:
The REPEATED claim that there is no proof that Jews inhabited the Levant way before Mohammad was even born.

Badgersgetabadname says...
There you go a beautiful example of US - Israeli relations if it doesnt agree the go to is force.

RESPONSE:
The FACT is that the Israelis and Americans did not INITIATE the use of force. The Arabs have been trying to impose their will by force since 1947. Then in 1988 Hamas put their intentions in writing.

Badgersgetabadname says...
Anything I have stated I can reference and show sources you have used a right wing nut job as a reference, his page was the first one you googled wasnt it?

RESPONSE:
Yet another example of ignorance and dishonesty on your part.

Badgersgetabadname says...
So you have no evidence to support your point and have resorted to name calling,,,bless.

RESPONSE:
Another example of dishonesty on your part.
Badgersgetabadname says... Where and when did I say I would have any proof of anything. RESPONSE: There is more historical proof that Jews inhabited the Levant 5,000 years ago than there is that Mohammad wrote the Qu'ran. Badgersgetabadname says... Now as for your sort of point ignorance and dishonesty??? what brought that on? RESPONSE: The REPEATED claim that there is no proof that Jews inhabited the Levant way before Mohammad was even born. Badgersgetabadname says... There you go a beautiful example of US - Israeli relations if it doesnt agree the go to is force. RESPONSE: The FACT is that the Israelis and Americans did not INITIATE the use of force. The Arabs have been trying to impose their will by force since 1947. Then in 1988 Hamas put their intentions in writing. Badgersgetabadname says... Anything I have stated I can reference and show sources you have used a right wing nut job as a reference, his page was the first one you googled wasnt it? RESPONSE: Yet another example of ignorance and dishonesty on your part. Badgersgetabadname says... So you have no evidence to support your point and have resorted to name calling,,,bless. RESPONSE: Another example of dishonesty on your part. AmericanEagle1392
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9:31pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

AmericanEagle1392 wrote:
Badgersgetabadname says...
Where and when did I say I would have any proof of anything.

RESPONSE:
There is more historical proof that Jews inhabited the Levant 5,000 years ago than there is that Mohammad wrote the Qu'ran.

Badgersgetabadname says...
Now as for your sort of point ignorance and dishonesty??? what brought that on?

RESPONSE:
The REPEATED claim that there is no proof that Jews inhabited the Levant way before Mohammad was even born.

Badgersgetabadname says...
There you go a beautiful example of US - Israeli relations if it doesnt agree the go to is force.

RESPONSE:
The FACT is that the Israelis and Americans did not INITIATE the use of force. The Arabs have been trying to impose their will by force since 1947. Then in 1988 Hamas put their intentions in writing.

Badgersgetabadname says...
Anything I have stated I can reference and show sources you have used a right wing nut job as a reference, his page was the first one you googled wasnt it?

RESPONSE:
Yet another example of ignorance and dishonesty on your part.

Badgersgetabadname says...
So you have no evidence to support your point and have resorted to name calling,,,bless.

RESPONSE:
Another example of dishonesty on your part.
WOW quite an angry little man.
I think you have had a entire argument in your head my I also suggest a copy of the OED as you dont seem to grasp that part.

Well you have called me names and made unfounded claims I guess that means you are right.
It seems based on your comments that Americans are pretty inept at foreign relations.
Well done you.

What do you want to get out of this? What do you want me to say?
Sorry your opinion is actually fact?
Silly little man
[quote][p][bold]AmericanEagle1392[/bold] wrote: Badgersgetabadname says... Where and when did I say I would have any proof of anything. RESPONSE: There is more historical proof that Jews inhabited the Levant 5,000 years ago than there is that Mohammad wrote the Qu'ran. Badgersgetabadname says... Now as for your sort of point ignorance and dishonesty??? what brought that on? RESPONSE: The REPEATED claim that there is no proof that Jews inhabited the Levant way before Mohammad was even born. Badgersgetabadname says... There you go a beautiful example of US - Israeli relations if it doesnt agree the go to is force. RESPONSE: The FACT is that the Israelis and Americans did not INITIATE the use of force. The Arabs have been trying to impose their will by force since 1947. Then in 1988 Hamas put their intentions in writing. Badgersgetabadname says... Anything I have stated I can reference and show sources you have used a right wing nut job as a reference, his page was the first one you googled wasnt it? RESPONSE: Yet another example of ignorance and dishonesty on your part. Badgersgetabadname says... So you have no evidence to support your point and have resorted to name calling,,,bless. RESPONSE: Another example of dishonesty on your part.[/p][/quote]WOW quite an angry little man. I think you have had a entire argument in your head my I also suggest a copy of the OED as you dont seem to grasp that part. Well you have called me names and made unfounded claims I guess that means you are right. It seems based on your comments that Americans are pretty inept at foreign relations. Well done you. What do you want to get out of this? What do you want me to say? Sorry your opinion is actually fact? Silly little man Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -1

1:08pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

@AmericanEagle1392

Here is an example of an credible source of information.
Although Wikipedia isnt the original document is.
Hope this helps.

http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Domesday_Bo
ok
@AmericanEagle1392 Here is an example of an credible source of information. Although Wikipedia isnt the original document is. Hope this helps. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Domesday_Bo ok Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 0

1:39pm Sat 2 Aug 14

AmericanEagle1392 says...

@
Badgersgetabadname
Arabs have WRITTEN OBJECTIVES to wipe Israel off the map and kill Jews and have actually been trying for 65 years and you have the gall to call ME angry?! Have you seen Palestinian flags of the region that show NO ISRAEL? You have no idea that Jews inhabited the Levant hundreds of years before there was a single Muslim? You pathetic, sad and delusional little woman.
@ Badgersgetabadname Arabs have WRITTEN OBJECTIVES to wipe Israel off the map and kill Jews and have actually been trying for 65 years and you have the gall to call ME angry?! Have you seen Palestinian flags of the region that show NO ISRAEL? You have no idea that Jews inhabited the Levant hundreds of years before there was a single Muslim? You pathetic, sad and delusional little woman. AmericanEagle1392
  • Score: 1

2:59pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

AmericanEagle1392 wrote:
@
Badgersgetabadname
Arabs have WRITTEN OBJECTIVES to wipe Israel off the map and kill Jews and have actually been trying for 65 years and you have the gall to call ME angry?! Have you seen Palestinian flags of the region that show NO ISRAEL? You have no idea that Jews inhabited the Levant hundreds of years before there was a single Muslim? You pathetic, sad and delusional little woman.
I gave you an example to help you and you continue with the name calling, Im sorry for calling you angry it was only based on your petty responses.

I would be laughing at you if the situations wasnt so serious. Can you see the difference between a credible source and a right wing nut job ranting on his own web site? People have always been taxed in one form or another and this has been used to trace where people have lived and migrated for decades because it is reliable.
The IDF must be terrified of those flags as they slaughter people from US sponsored Apache gunships.
Even this latest round of slaughter was started by an air strike by IDF on a school (schools are some of the few buildings allowed to use concrete construction which is why they are used as shelters). This was confirmed by IDF air force.

Just to go back a bit you never answered, How would you feel and what would you do if you were forced to move house and set up all over again, no compensation for your home your kids play under gun sights?
(last week children playing on a beach were targeted and killed).

In no way do I condone what HAMAS does murder is always wrong and all life is precious but given that the choices are fight or die there is no decision to make.
For starters the land they are on should be Egypt and according to the Torah the Israeli lands should cover sections of Syria, Egypt and Iraq so does this mean once the Palestinian people have been wiped out Israel will launch attacks on these countries as well?

As for your mantra that Christians along with Hebrew allies will fight Muslims please see this link from an official web site. I would be interested in your views providing of course its not just name calling by name calling it just reads as I have no idea what I am talking about.

Quote from site " the Jewish community against the threat of deceptive Christian missionary and destructive cult groups"
There is some far stronger language but I dont want to post it on here.
http://jewsforjudais
m.org/

It seems pointless to present you with evidence as you have already said the only thing understood by the IDF is violence but here goes.
[quote][p][bold]AmericanEagle1392[/bold] wrote: @ Badgersgetabadname Arabs have WRITTEN OBJECTIVES to wipe Israel off the map and kill Jews and have actually been trying for 65 years and you have the gall to call ME angry?! Have you seen Palestinian flags of the region that show NO ISRAEL? You have no idea that Jews inhabited the Levant hundreds of years before there was a single Muslim? You pathetic, sad and delusional little woman.[/p][/quote]I gave you an example to help you and you continue with the name calling, Im sorry for calling you angry it was only based on your petty responses. I would be laughing at you if the situations wasnt so serious. Can you see the difference between a credible source and a right wing nut job ranting on his own web site? People have always been taxed in one form or another and this has been used to trace where people have lived and migrated for decades because it is reliable. The IDF must be terrified of those flags as they slaughter people from US sponsored Apache gunships. Even this latest round of slaughter was started by an air strike by IDF on a school (schools are some of the few buildings allowed to use concrete construction which is why they are used as shelters). This was confirmed by IDF air force. Just to go back a bit you never answered, How would you feel and what would you do if you were forced to move house and set up all over again, no compensation for your home your kids play under gun sights? (last week children playing on a beach were targeted and killed). In no way do I condone what HAMAS does murder is always wrong and all life is precious but given that the choices are fight or die there is no decision to make. For starters the land they are on should be Egypt and according to the Torah the Israeli lands should cover sections of Syria, Egypt and Iraq so does this mean once the Palestinian people have been wiped out Israel will launch attacks on these countries as well? As for your mantra that Christians along with Hebrew allies will fight Muslims please see this link from an official web site. I would be interested in your views providing of course its not just name calling by name calling it just reads as I have no idea what I am talking about. Quote from site " the Jewish community against the threat of deceptive Christian missionary and destructive cult groups" There is some far stronger language but I dont want to post it on here. http://jewsforjudais m.org/ It seems pointless to present you with evidence as you have already said the only thing understood by the IDF is violence but here goes. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -1

3:02pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

“You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.”


― Daniel Patrick Moynihan
“You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.” ― Daniel Patrick Moynihan Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -1

4:58pm Sat 2 Aug 14

AmericanEagle1392 says...

Badgersgetabadname..
..
Even this latest round of slaughter was started by an air strike by IDF on a school (schools are some of the few buildings allowed to use concrete construction which is why they are used as shelters).

RESPONSE:
Why do you lie like this? Even someone as delusional as you has to know about the three Israeli boys who were kidnapped and slaughtered, the sophisticated tunnels to attack Israel and the barrage of rockets randomly fired at Israeli cities.
Badgersgetabadname.. .. Even this latest round of slaughter was started by an air strike by IDF on a school (schools are some of the few buildings allowed to use concrete construction which is why they are used as shelters). RESPONSE: Why do you lie like this? Even someone as delusional as you has to know about the three Israeli boys who were kidnapped and slaughtered, the sophisticated tunnels to attack Israel and the barrage of rockets randomly fired at Israeli cities. AmericanEagle1392
  • Score: 1

5:48pm Sat 2 Aug 14

AmericanEagle1392 says...

Badgersgetabadname says...
http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Domesday_Bo
ok

RESPONSE:
Is this some kind of joke? What does this have to do with the middle-east?

Why don't you research the FACTS based on these clues?

http://www.livius.or
g/di-dn/diaspora/rom
e.html

Quote:
The Roman government was not really interested in the Jews, as can be shown from the fact that even a well-meaning emperor like Augustus did not know that the Jews were permitted to eat on the Sabbath (Suetonius, Life of Augustus 76).

It is possible to estimate the number of Roman Jews during the reign of Augustus. The Jewish historian Flavius Josephus mentions a lawsuit in which 8,000 Jews from Rome sided with one of the parties (Jewish antiquities 2.80). They must have been adult men, because women and children were not permitted to take part in a lawsuit. Since a nuclear family consisted of at least four or five members, there must have been some 40,000 Jews. It is likely that this number rose after the mass deportation of prisoners of war after the fall of Jerusalem in 70 CE. This is mirrored by the enormous size of the Monteverde catacomb.
Unquote.
Badgersgetabadname says... http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Domesday_Bo ok RESPONSE: Is this some kind of joke? What does this have to do with the middle-east? Why don't you research the FACTS based on these clues? http://www.livius.or g/di-dn/diaspora/rom e.html Quote: The Roman government was not really interested in the Jews, as can be shown from the fact that even a well-meaning emperor like Augustus did not know that the Jews were permitted to eat on the Sabbath (Suetonius, Life of Augustus 76). It is possible to estimate the number of Roman Jews during the reign of Augustus. The Jewish historian Flavius Josephus mentions a lawsuit in which 8,000 Jews from Rome sided with one of the parties (Jewish antiquities 2.80). They must have been adult men, because women and children were not permitted to take part in a lawsuit. Since a nuclear family consisted of at least four or five members, there must have been some 40,000 Jews. It is likely that this number rose after the mass deportation of prisoners of war after the fall of Jerusalem in 70 CE. This is mirrored by the enormous size of the Monteverde catacomb. Unquote. AmericanEagle1392
  • Score: 1

6:36pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

AmericanEagle1392 wrote:
Badgersgetabadname says...
http://en.wikipedia.

org/wiki/Domesday_Bo

ok

RESPONSE:
Is this some kind of joke? What does this have to do with the middle-east?

Why don't you research the FACTS based on these clues?

http://www.livius.or

g/di-dn/diaspora/rom

e.html

Quote:
The Roman government was not really interested in the Jews, as can be shown from the fact that even a well-meaning emperor like Augustus did not know that the Jews were permitted to eat on the Sabbath (Suetonius, Life of Augustus 76).

It is possible to estimate the number of Roman Jews during the reign of Augustus. The Jewish historian Flavius Josephus mentions a lawsuit in which 8,000 Jews from Rome sided with one of the parties (Jewish antiquities 2.80). They must have been adult men, because women and children were not permitted to take part in a lawsuit. Since a nuclear family consisted of at least four or five members, there must have been some 40,000 Jews. It is likely that this number rose after the mass deportation of prisoners of war after the fall of Jerusalem in 70 CE. This is mirrored by the enormous size of the Monteverde catacomb.
Unquote.
Lets go a point at a time, it will help you keep up.

What did the rest of the post that had that link in it say?
I`ll help you.

Here is an example of an credible source of information.
Although Wikipedia isnt the original document is.
Hope this helps.

http://en.wikipedia.

org/wiki/Domesday_Bo

ok

Now then the key word there is EXAMPLE.
I get the impression your eagerness to get your point across is either hindering or preventing your reading comprehension. Debate is normally point followed by counter point but if you dont read the comment before it makes you comment spurious at best.

You have chopped and changed your "opinion" on a number of occasions now which makes it a little disjointed and hard to follow but at least you have stopped claiming all Muslims are nazis.

Are we just skipping past how you personally would react to being forced from your home??
Once again you have quoted a web site run by a man with links to Dutch far right groups and your other sources are a Jewish historian how would that be an unbiased source?
If I could color code the paragraphs to simplify it for you I would but the site only allows for text.

Again I ask what do you want me to tell you, your opinion is NOT fact to use a Jewish thinker and figure head as a reference point is like saying the gas chambers were fine as long as your guide was mein kampf does that example explain bias for you?
I will try and think of some more but really this is quite simple stuff. Once we have an understanding of a credible source for information we can move on until then as I said your points are spurious.
[quote][p][bold]AmericanEagle1392[/bold] wrote: Badgersgetabadname says... http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Domesday_Bo ok RESPONSE: Is this some kind of joke? What does this have to do with the middle-east? Why don't you research the FACTS based on these clues? http://www.livius.or g/di-dn/diaspora/rom e.html Quote: The Roman government was not really interested in the Jews, as can be shown from the fact that even a well-meaning emperor like Augustus did not know that the Jews were permitted to eat on the Sabbath (Suetonius, Life of Augustus 76). It is possible to estimate the number of Roman Jews during the reign of Augustus. The Jewish historian Flavius Josephus mentions a lawsuit in which 8,000 Jews from Rome sided with one of the parties (Jewish antiquities 2.80). They must have been adult men, because women and children were not permitted to take part in a lawsuit. Since a nuclear family consisted of at least four or five members, there must have been some 40,000 Jews. It is likely that this number rose after the mass deportation of prisoners of war after the fall of Jerusalem in 70 CE. This is mirrored by the enormous size of the Monteverde catacomb. Unquote.[/p][/quote]Lets go a point at a time, it will help you keep up. What did the rest of the post that had that link in it say? I`ll help you. Here is an example of an credible source of information. Although Wikipedia isnt the original document is. Hope this helps. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Domesday_Bo ok Now then the key word there is EXAMPLE. I get the impression your eagerness to get your point across is either hindering or preventing your reading comprehension. Debate is normally point followed by counter point but if you dont read the comment before it makes you comment spurious at best. You have chopped and changed your "opinion" on a number of occasions now which makes it a little disjointed and hard to follow but at least you have stopped claiming all Muslims are nazis. Are we just skipping past how you personally would react to being forced from your home?? Once again you have quoted a web site run by a man with links to Dutch far right groups and your other sources are a Jewish historian how would that be an unbiased source? If I could color code the paragraphs to simplify it for you I would but the site only allows for text. Again I ask what do you want me to tell you, your opinion is NOT fact to use a Jewish thinker and figure head as a reference point is like saying the gas chambers were fine as long as your guide was mein kampf does that example explain bias for you? I will try and think of some more but really this is quite simple stuff. Once we have an understanding of a credible source for information we can move on until then as I said your points are spurious. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -1

9:02pm Sat 2 Aug 14

AmericanEagle1392 says...

@Badgersgetabadname - You are the last person to talk about credibility. You don't even know how the current conflict started or what happened 65 years ago so how can you afford to talk about 5,000 years ago?
@Badgersgetabadname - You are the last person to talk about credibility. You don't even know how the current conflict started or what happened 65 years ago so how can you afford to talk about 5,000 years ago? AmericanEagle1392
  • Score: 1

11:26pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

AmericanEagle1392 wrote:
@Badgersgetabadname - You are the last person to talk about credibility. You don't even know how the current conflict started or what happened 65 years ago so how can you afford to talk about 5,000 years ago?
Nice I see you have failed to have any answers again.
I supported my evidence with news agencies and or UN resolutions you have supported yours with opinion.
Just not going to bother answering any of the questions?

Thats fine stick with the insults it will save you having to learn anything or form an opinion of your own.
I wouldnt go publicly quoting a man involved with far right groups in Europe though.
Just to address the points you make in your latest post, when in this thread have you asked that or any question. You make statements that you seem to think are fact once you say them. Go back through it and if you dont think you are at best moronic then I suggest reading through again.
You have confirmed all the American stereotypes on this one page well done you......clap, clap , clap

Come on tell me again how all Muslims were allied with the Nazis.......
[quote][p][bold]AmericanEagle1392[/bold] wrote: @Badgersgetabadname - You are the last person to talk about credibility. You don't even know how the current conflict started or what happened 65 years ago so how can you afford to talk about 5,000 years ago?[/p][/quote]Nice I see you have failed to have any answers again. I supported my evidence with news agencies and or UN resolutions you have supported yours with opinion. Just not going to bother answering any of the questions? Thats fine stick with the insults it will save you having to learn anything or form an opinion of your own. I wouldnt go publicly quoting a man involved with far right groups in Europe though. Just to address the points you make in your latest post, when in this thread have you asked that or any question. You make statements that you seem to think are fact once you say them. Go back through it and if you dont think you are at best moronic then I suggest reading through again. You have confirmed all the American stereotypes on this one page well done you......clap, clap , clap Come on tell me again how all Muslims were allied with the Nazis....... Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -1

11:32pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Also noticed the US were once again told to shut up and do as they are told today.
Crippling debt, mass unemployment and a populace that cannot be looked after,,,,yeah a super power alright lol

http://www.bigstory.
ap.org/article/netan
yahu-us-dont-second-
guess-me-hamas
Also noticed the US were once again told to shut up and do as they are told today. Crippling debt, mass unemployment and a populace that cannot be looked after,,,,yeah a super power alright lol http://www.bigstory. ap.org/article/netan yahu-us-dont-second- guess-me-hamas Badgersgetabadname
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3:40pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Another great example of IDF not caring who it kills.
Another UN school destroyed today, IDF have GPS of all UN run buildings yet still hit them.
Disgraceful.

#gazaunderfire
Another great example of IDF not caring who it kills. Another UN school destroyed today, IDF have GPS of all UN run buildings yet still hit them. Disgraceful. #gazaunderfire Badgersgetabadname
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12:46am Mon 4 Aug 14

twasadawf says...

Israelis Child killer's and the west support them supplying all the military hardware to do their evil deeds we should be ashamed the way the government has barely mentioned the suffering in Gaza
Israelis Child killer's and the west support them supplying all the military hardware to do their evil deeds we should be ashamed the way the government has barely mentioned the suffering in Gaza twasadawf
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12:59pm Mon 4 Aug 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Wonderful example of US Israeli relations over the weekend.

£250,000 bomb dropped into civilian area, given that the US economy is on its knees no wonder they are so happy on their partners lap.
All this when world leaders are talking about doing the right thing in the face of great odds as in WW1 double standards and hypocrisy.
Dont get me wrong I think the UK`s complete inaction is just as bad.
Wonderful example of US Israeli relations over the weekend. £250,000 bomb dropped into civilian area, given that the US economy is on its knees no wonder they are so happy on their partners lap. All this when world leaders are talking about doing the right thing in the face of great odds as in WW1 double standards and hypocrisy. Dont get me wrong I think the UK`s complete inaction is just as bad. Badgersgetabadname
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5:15am Wed 6 Aug 14

Yerma says...

This is such a kind and decent gesture, what a fantastic group of girls for organising all this. Amazing hearts.

Makes me a little bit prouder of being a Swindonian.
This is such a kind and decent gesture, what a fantastic group of girls for organising all this. Amazing hearts. Makes me a little bit prouder of being a Swindonian. Yerma
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9:51pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Sandor Clegane says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
Wonderful example of US Israeli relations over the weekend.

£250,000 bomb dropped into civilian area, given that the US economy is on its knees no wonder they are so happy on their partners lap.
All this when world leaders are talking about doing the right thing in the face of great odds as in WW1 double standards and hypocrisy.
Dont get me wrong I think the UK`s complete inaction is just as bad.
Stupid man
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: Wonderful example of US Israeli relations over the weekend. £250,000 bomb dropped into civilian area, given that the US economy is on its knees no wonder they are so happy on their partners lap. All this when world leaders are talking about doing the right thing in the face of great odds as in WW1 double standards and hypocrisy. Dont get me wrong I think the UK`s complete inaction is just as bad.[/p][/quote]Stupid man Sandor Clegane
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