Firefighters announce further strikes

This Is Wiltshire: Firefighters pictured outside Drove fire station on a previous strike against proposed changes to their pensions Firefighters pictured outside Drove fire station on a previous strike against proposed changes to their pensions

FIREFIGHTERS have announced a further series of strike dates to take place next month in a long running dispute with the government over pensions.

The action will begin on August 9 and last for eight days.

Members of the Fire Brigades’ Union will walk out between 10am and midday and 11pm until midnight each day.

There is also a long-running overtime ban. It is the latest action in almost a year-long dispute which saw eight days of action in July.

Firefighters were on strike when the fire at Averies broke out last week but did not come off the picket line.

The dispute is over plans to increase the age of retirement as well as pension contributions.

Matt Wrack, FBU general secretary, said: “It is absolutely ludicrous that a government can impose a scheme which means that firefighters will have to ride engines and rescue people from fires up to age 60.

“This is unsafe and unrealistic for both firefighters and the public.

“We know it, and the public knows it, but the government will not listen to the evidence-based case we have made to them.”

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9:52am Fri 1 Aug 14

South Stand says...

Strike strike strike. How about doing a little work work work.
Strike strike strike. How about doing a little work work work. South Stand
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10:26am Fri 1 Aug 14

trolley dolley says...

Putting childrens lives at risk for personal gain is despicable.

Sooner or later we will have a tragedy on our hands caused by the antics of these people.
Putting childrens lives at risk for personal gain is despicable. Sooner or later we will have a tragedy on our hands caused by the antics of these people. trolley dolley
  • Score: 3

10:53am Fri 1 Aug 14

house on the hill says...

I heard on the news this week that to provide a pension of £25,000 at age 65 you would need a pension pot of around £400,000. As firefighters get their pensions as 55 that would be quite a bit more, closer to £500,000. Assuming they work from 18 to 55 that is 37 years or £13.5k a year into their pension pot.

How much are they actually being asked to pay (with tax relief) and how much does the tax payer have to contribute I wonder? I don't think they have any understanding of the costs of providing their gold plated pensions they constantly moan about and how da8n lucky they are to have what is being proposed. And they always forget the millions of private sector workers who have lost their final salary schemes they signed up for completely. Sorry you really have no idea how lucky you are.
I heard on the news this week that to provide a pension of £25,000 at age 65 you would need a pension pot of around £400,000. As firefighters get their pensions as 55 that would be quite a bit more, closer to £500,000. Assuming they work from 18 to 55 that is 37 years or £13.5k a year into their pension pot. How much are they actually being asked to pay (with tax relief) and how much does the tax payer have to contribute I wonder? I don't think they have any understanding of the costs of providing their gold plated pensions they constantly moan about and how da8n lucky they are to have what is being proposed. And they always forget the millions of private sector workers who have lost their final salary schemes they signed up for completely. Sorry you really have no idea how lucky you are. house on the hill
  • Score: 6

12:31pm Fri 1 Aug 14

SAVE_UK_MANUFACTURING says...

house on the hill wrote:
I heard on the news this week that to provide a pension of £25,000 at age 65 you would need a pension pot of around £400,000. As firefighters get their pensions as 55 that would be quite a bit more, closer to £500,000. Assuming they work from 18 to 55 that is 37 years or £13.5k a year into their pension pot.

How much are they actually being asked to pay (with tax relief) and how much does the tax payer have to contribute I wonder? I don't think they have any understanding of the costs of providing their gold plated pensions they constantly moan about and how da8n lucky they are to have what is being proposed. And they always forget the millions of private sector workers who have lost their final salary schemes they signed up for completely. Sorry you really have no idea how lucky you are.
Best you join the fire service then and you can get a gold plated pension.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: I heard on the news this week that to provide a pension of £25,000 at age 65 you would need a pension pot of around £400,000. As firefighters get their pensions as 55 that would be quite a bit more, closer to £500,000. Assuming they work from 18 to 55 that is 37 years or £13.5k a year into their pension pot. How much are they actually being asked to pay (with tax relief) and how much does the tax payer have to contribute I wonder? I don't think they have any understanding of the costs of providing their gold plated pensions they constantly moan about and how da8n lucky they are to have what is being proposed. And they always forget the millions of private sector workers who have lost their final salary schemes they signed up for completely. Sorry you really have no idea how lucky you are.[/p][/quote]Best you join the fire service then and you can get a gold plated pension. SAVE_UK_MANUFACTURING
  • Score: 0

12:46pm Fri 1 Aug 14

trolley dolley says...

Whilst the arguments continue about who is better off, Women and Childrens lives are being put at extreme risk for personal financial gain.

We should not forget that when we are comparing pensions etc.

The remark by SAVE_UK_MANUFACTURIN
G, "Best you join the fire service then and you can get a gold plated pension" just about sum it up.
Whilst the arguments continue about who is better off, Women and Childrens lives are being put at extreme risk for personal financial gain. We should not forget that when we are comparing pensions etc. The remark by SAVE_UK_MANUFACTURIN G, "Best you join the fire service then and you can get a gold plated pension" just about sum it up. trolley dolley
  • Score: 4

2:13pm Fri 1 Aug 14

SAVE_UK_MANUFACTURING says...

It is funny that we don't mind giving the armed forces gold plated pensions and cheap housing but the service you hope you never need gets slated!
It is funny that we don't mind giving the armed forces gold plated pensions and cheap housing but the service you hope you never need gets slated! SAVE_UK_MANUFACTURING
  • Score: -1

2:18pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Compaq says...

Wasters. All they do is moan about their tax payer subsidised pensions (and highly at that). 2/3rds of their time is playing volley ball and sleeping or owning second homes in Florida etc etc. Don't pity them at all. When they do actually go out and fight fire, then they do a good job, but remember that with the awareness of fire danger now, they do far less now then they ever have. If you don't like the terms then leave.
Support nurses and police officers more.
Wasters. All they do is moan about their tax payer subsidised pensions (and highly at that). 2/3rds of their time is playing volley ball and sleeping or owning second homes in Florida etc etc. Don't pity them at all. When they do actually go out and fight fire, then they do a good job, but remember that with the awareness of fire danger now, they do far less now then they ever have. If you don't like the terms then leave. Support nurses and police officers more. Compaq
  • Score: -4

2:23pm Fri 1 Aug 14

SAVE_UK_MANUFACTURING says...

I think they are pretty good at getting women and children (and men too) out of smashed up cars.
I think they are pretty good at getting women and children (and men too) out of smashed up cars. SAVE_UK_MANUFACTURING
  • Score: -1

3:03pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Davey Gravey says...

Firemen deserve a decent pension and to retire early.
Why do people begrudge them that?
Firemen deserve a decent pension and to retire early. Why do people begrudge them that? Davey Gravey
  • Score: 1

12:32pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Sandor Clegane says...

SAVE_UK_MANUFACTURIN
G
wrote:
I think they are pretty good at getting women and children (and men too) out of smashed up cars.
Given that it's a potential aspect of the job they're paid to do, you'd hope they'd be a bit better than 'pretty good' at it as and when they may be called upon to do so.
[quote][p][bold]SAVE_UK_MANUFACTURIN G[/bold] wrote: I think they are pretty good at getting women and children (and men too) out of smashed up cars.[/p][/quote]Given that it's a potential aspect of the job they're paid to do, you'd hope they'd be a bit better than 'pretty good' at it as and when they may be called upon to do so. Sandor Clegane
  • Score: -2

4:17pm Sat 2 Aug 14

back_to_reality says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Firemen deserve a decent pension and to retire early.
Why do people begrudge them that?
Why do they 'deserve' to retire early?

They 'deserve' to retire on a decent pension at retirement age, provided they have contributed appropriately, along with everyone else who does the same. Why are they any different?
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Firemen deserve a decent pension and to retire early. Why do people begrudge them that?[/p][/quote]Why do they 'deserve' to retire early? They 'deserve' to retire on a decent pension at retirement age, provided they have contributed appropriately, along with everyone else who does the same. Why are they any different? back_to_reality
  • Score: 6

4:38pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Davey Gravey says...

back_to_reality wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
Firemen deserve a decent pension and to retire early.
Why do people begrudge them that?
Why do they 'deserve' to retire early?

They 'deserve' to retire on a decent pension at retirement age, provided they have contributed appropriately, along with everyone else who does the same. Why are they any different?
The rigours of the job. I Think 55 is the right age. The human body by then is in decline and it is a very physically demanding job.
[quote][p][bold]back_to_reality[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Firemen deserve a decent pension and to retire early. Why do people begrudge them that?[/p][/quote]Why do they 'deserve' to retire early? They 'deserve' to retire on a decent pension at retirement age, provided they have contributed appropriately, along with everyone else who does the same. Why are they any different?[/p][/quote]The rigours of the job. I Think 55 is the right age. The human body by then is in decline and it is a very physically demanding job. Davey Gravey
  • Score: 1

8:02pm Sat 2 Aug 14

back_to_reality says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
back_to_reality wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
Firemen deserve a decent pension and to retire early.
Why do people begrudge them that?
Why do they 'deserve' to retire early?

They 'deserve' to retire on a decent pension at retirement age, provided they have contributed appropriately, along with everyone else who does the same. Why are they any different?
The rigours of the job. I Think 55 is the right age. The human body by then is in decline and it is a very physically demanding job.
At which point they can go and do something less physically demanding, and continue to make pension provision until its time to retire.

Dont get your point at all Davey, unless you think we should all only have one job in out lifetime?
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]back_to_reality[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Firemen deserve a decent pension and to retire early. Why do people begrudge them that?[/p][/quote]Why do they 'deserve' to retire early? They 'deserve' to retire on a decent pension at retirement age, provided they have contributed appropriately, along with everyone else who does the same. Why are they any different?[/p][/quote]The rigours of the job. I Think 55 is the right age. The human body by then is in decline and it is a very physically demanding job.[/p][/quote]At which point they can go and do something less physically demanding, and continue to make pension provision until its time to retire. Dont get your point at all Davey, unless you think we should all only have one job in out lifetime? back_to_reality
  • Score: 3

11:29am Sun 3 Aug 14

trolley dolley says...

Don't put the lives of children at risk for personal gain.
Don't put the lives of children at risk for personal gain. trolley dolley
  • Score: -1

10:10am Mon 4 Aug 14

Sandor Clegane says...

back_to_reality wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
back_to_reality wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
Firemen deserve a decent pension and to retire early.
Why do people begrudge them that?
Why do they 'deserve' to retire early?

They 'deserve' to retire on a decent pension at retirement age, provided they have contributed appropriately, along with everyone else who does the same. Why are they any different?
The rigours of the job. I Think 55 is the right age. The human body by then is in decline and it is a very physically demanding job.
At which point they can go and do something less physically demanding, and continue to make pension provision until its time to retire.

Dont get your point at all Davey, unless you think we should all only have one job in out lifetime?
Very good point.

I suspect many firemen retire at 55 and then either set-up private companies offering consultancy or similar services. It would be interesting to know how many retire so young and then simply go into other employment - meaning a lucrative pension and salary stream for another 10 years.

It would also be interesting to know how many go into other jobs that have a physically demanding aspect to them.

I wonder what the FBU would say if the Government agreed to the early retirement and massive pension BUT on the condition the guys were not able to take up any other paid employment due to the 'rigours' of their previous job meaning that the Government has to consider their health and ensure they recuperate during their extended retirement period.
[quote][p][bold]back_to_reality[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]back_to_reality[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Firemen deserve a decent pension and to retire early. Why do people begrudge them that?[/p][/quote]Why do they 'deserve' to retire early? They 'deserve' to retire on a decent pension at retirement age, provided they have contributed appropriately, along with everyone else who does the same. Why are they any different?[/p][/quote]The rigours of the job. I Think 55 is the right age. The human body by then is in decline and it is a very physically demanding job.[/p][/quote]At which point they can go and do something less physically demanding, and continue to make pension provision until its time to retire. Dont get your point at all Davey, unless you think we should all only have one job in out lifetime?[/p][/quote]Very good point. I suspect many firemen retire at 55 and then either set-up private companies offering consultancy or similar services. It would be interesting to know how many retire so young and then simply go into other employment - meaning a lucrative pension and salary stream for another 10 years. It would also be interesting to know how many go into other jobs that have a physically demanding aspect to them. I wonder what the FBU would say if the Government agreed to the early retirement and massive pension BUT on the condition the guys were not able to take up any other paid employment due to the 'rigours' of their previous job meaning that the Government has to consider their health and ensure they recuperate during their extended retirement period. Sandor Clegane
  • Score: 4

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