Mixed feelings over new plans for derelict site

This Is Wiltshire: Margaret Byrne, the owner of Gables Guest house in Old Town  near Townsend House, which is going to be turned into flats Margaret Byrne, the owner of Gables Guest house in Old Town near Townsend House, which is going to be turned into flats

DERELICT Townsend House in Old Town could be given a new lease of life after more than eight years as one of several buildings to be revitalised with a £2.23m grant.

Neighbours have been concerned about the site in Bath Road being used as a rubbish tip with needles and discarded furniture.

Earlier this month it was announced Swindon Council would receive a grant from the Homes and Communities Agency to build more than 100 homes around the borough.

Ten new council homes could be created in Townsend House under the plans for affordable housing.

Neighbours have welcomed the move to clean up the property but fear the implications of affordable housing in the area.

Margaret Byrne, the owner of the Gables B&B guesthouse, said: “We were not informed about the plans to turn this into council homes.

“And the last they said to us was that they would be converting it into homes for women.

“At least it is now going to be done up a little bit, because the place has been deteriorating for more than eight years.

“They took my wall down and put fencing up, which I will be looking to get replaced.

“Because the wall was a bit wobbly they thought they had to bring it down.

“It has been awful in there recently, and there have been syringes from drugs in there, and people using it as a dumping ground.

“People use the front of it to park their cars and there has been a pile of rubbish in there that just keeps growing.

“I was told that was going to be moved months ago but there are more settees and chairs in there now and no sign of it getting shifted.

“I am not sure council houses are the best thing to be putting in there, although there probably is a need for those.

“It has always been supported housing and I think it should be put over for over 55s now, because they need somewhere to live.

“I am concerned about where these new tenants will be parking considering that is already an issue while the property isn’t even being used.”

It is estimated that the total cost of the building programme will be £18.8m and a mixture of one, two and three-bedroomed homes will be built.

The Government grant will cover 20 per cent of the building costs with the remainder being funded through borrowing against rental income.

Rents for the new properties would be set at affordable levels – 80 per cent of market levels – to make the house building programme financially viable.

Council leader David Renard said: “This is excellent news for Swindon as it not only helps to address our need for affordable housing, but it also supports economic growth and will create jobs.

“This is the biggest house building programme in Swindon since the 1980s and it shows that we are committed to investing in our housing stock and providing sustainable homes for people who need them.”

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7:09am Thu 21 Aug 14

bampi says...

It will be an oasis for dossers soon after completion and covered in graffiti and be an ongoing money pit for ever and ever, Amen. If you think any differently you don't live in the real world. If anybody other than the Council tried to gain planning permission so totally out of character in that area, it would be refused.
It will be an oasis for dossers soon after completion and covered in graffiti and be an ongoing money pit for ever and ever, Amen. If you think any differently you don't live in the real world. If anybody other than the Council tried to gain planning permission so totally out of character in that area, it would be refused. bampi
  • Score: 16

8:01am Thu 21 Aug 14

Sandor Clegane says...

Council housing on Bath Road - previously one of the most expensive and exclusive roads in Swindon.

Just shows what the council really thinks about this town. They appear determined to drag everything down to the lowest level - using our money to do it.

As the lady in the article states, this building would be much better used for accommodation for elderly people.
Council housing on Bath Road - previously one of the most expensive and exclusive roads in Swindon. Just shows what the council really thinks about this town. They appear determined to drag everything down to the lowest level - using our money to do it. As the lady in the article states, this building would be much better used for accommodation for elderly people. Sandor Clegane
  • Score: 18

8:12am Thu 21 Aug 14

suburbanbear says...

The only difference this will make is that the people going there to dump rubbish or inject themselves will now have a roof over their heads.

As mentioned in the previous comment - this is going to bring Bath road down a few notches and would be better used as homes for the elderly.
The only difference this will make is that the people going there to dump rubbish or inject themselves will now have a roof over their heads. As mentioned in the previous comment - this is going to bring Bath road down a few notches and would be better used as homes for the elderly. suburbanbear
  • Score: 21

8:21am Thu 21 Aug 14

house on the hill says...

So where exactly would you see Council houses being built then? And can someone please explain what affordable housing is and why only a certain portion of society is entitled to it bearing in mind it's tax payers money?

Maybe if we stopped all these schemes house prices would then fall back to where they should be and more people would be able to buy one if they wanted? All this does is keep prices high.
So where exactly would you see Council houses being built then? And can someone please explain what affordable housing is and why only a certain portion of society is entitled to it bearing in mind it's tax payers money? Maybe if we stopped all these schemes house prices would then fall back to where they should be and more people would be able to buy one if they wanted? All this does is keep prices high. house on the hill
  • Score: -1

8:27am Thu 21 Aug 14

Maxwell'79 says...

Whilst I am all for redeveloping this building (my preference would be to see it knocked down and something else built in its place that actually fits with the local area), is there not enough social housing being built in Witchlestow or on Angel Ridge? Isnt the Whalebridge site also being used fo social housing? Once again the council are showing a complete lack of vision for the most beautiful part of Swindon. How delighted will the residents of Bath Road be when their £600k houses are stood directly next to 10 council flats. Im not being a snob but it is a complete joke.
Whilst I am all for redeveloping this building (my preference would be to see it knocked down and something else built in its place that actually fits with the local area), is there not enough social housing being built in Witchlestow or on Angel Ridge? Isnt the Whalebridge site also being used fo social housing? Once again the council are showing a complete lack of vision for the most beautiful part of Swindon. How delighted will the residents of Bath Road be when their £600k houses are stood directly next to 10 council flats. Im not being a snob but it is a complete joke. Maxwell'79
  • Score: 19

8:34am Thu 21 Aug 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

Social housing in Old Town, what a great idea, I approve, well done.
Social housing in Old Town, what a great idea, I approve, well done. A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: -5

8:39am Thu 21 Aug 14

nobody says...

Some people in old town aren't half up themselves.
Some people in old town aren't half up themselves. nobody
  • Score: 5

8:47am Thu 21 Aug 14

suburbanbear says...

nobody wrote:
Some people in old town aren't half up themselves.
If someone paid hundreds of thousands to live in a beautiful part of Swindon, I think they'd be within their rights to be peeved.
[quote][p][bold]nobody[/bold] wrote: Some people in old town aren't half up themselves.[/p][/quote]If someone paid hundreds of thousands to live in a beautiful part of Swindon, I think they'd be within their rights to be peeved. suburbanbear
  • Score: 23

9:08am Thu 21 Aug 14

Sandor Clegane says...

house on the hill wrote:
So where exactly would you see Council houses being built then? And can someone please explain what affordable housing is and why only a certain portion of society is entitled to it bearing in mind it's tax payers money?

Maybe if we stopped all these schemes house prices would then fall back to where they should be and more people would be able to buy one if they wanted? All this does is keep prices high.
Just about anywhere, other than the most expensive streets in the entire town.

Elderly people are less likely to drive, and almost certainly wouldn't need the average 2 cars per household that regular households now have. It makes so much more sense for this building to be used for elderly people.

If we have to have yet more 'affordable' housing, it should be built in affordable areas - just common sense. How will the 'less well off' people be able to afford the council tax rates for a swanky new property on Bath Road, for example?
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: So where exactly would you see Council houses being built then? And can someone please explain what affordable housing is and why only a certain portion of society is entitled to it bearing in mind it's tax payers money? Maybe if we stopped all these schemes house prices would then fall back to where they should be and more people would be able to buy one if they wanted? All this does is keep prices high.[/p][/quote]Just about anywhere, other than the most expensive streets in the entire town. Elderly people are less likely to drive, and almost certainly wouldn't need the average 2 cars per household that regular households now have. It makes so much more sense for this building to be used for elderly people. If we have to have yet more 'affordable' housing, it should be built in affordable areas - just common sense. How will the 'less well off' people be able to afford the council tax rates for a swanky new property on Bath Road, for example? Sandor Clegane
  • Score: 11

9:09am Thu 21 Aug 14

Wowzimmer says...

People are concerned that the areas 'exclusive' ambiance may be affected by this development. Sadly, if the area was that desirable then a private developer would already of snapped up the site to create luxury flats. Clearly this isn't the case.

I'm in favour of this development and believe that the council have struck the right note. This isn't an old fashioned 'council flat' development but a social housing scheme. The key point here is that rents will be set at 80% of normal market rate, allowing people normally priced out of the market to have a home of their own.

This scheme will breathe new life in the area, develop a brownfield site (so coveted by many readers of the Swindon Advertiser' and create much needed affordable housing.

Claiming that residents of social housing are criminals or otherwise undesirable is an overly negative, simplistic and foolish viewpoint that insults us all.
People are concerned that the areas 'exclusive' ambiance may be affected by this development. Sadly, if the area was that desirable then a private developer would already of snapped up the site to create luxury flats. Clearly this isn't the case. I'm in favour of this development and believe that the council have struck the right note. This isn't an old fashioned 'council flat' development but a social housing scheme. The key point here is that rents will be set at 80% of normal market rate, allowing people normally priced out of the market to have a home of their own. This scheme will breathe new life in the area, develop a brownfield site (so coveted by many readers of the Swindon Advertiser' and create much needed affordable housing. Claiming that residents of social housing are criminals or otherwise undesirable is an overly negative, simplistic and foolish viewpoint that insults us all. Wowzimmer
  • Score: 8

9:23am Thu 21 Aug 14

Alan Bast*rd says...

There are already multiple occupancy houses almost opposite this empty building. No doubt many of those are on benefits and there isn't a problem is there?
It wasn't a problem when the building was social housing previously been was it?
Surely it's better used to home people than sit there derelict
There are already multiple occupancy houses almost opposite this empty building. No doubt many of those are on benefits and there isn't a problem is there? It wasn't a problem when the building was social housing previously been was it? Surely it's better used to home people than sit there derelict Alan Bast*rd
  • Score: 4

9:29am Thu 21 Aug 14

swindon69 says...

People are people no matter where they live. Growing up on Walcot council estate, there were decent people and the dregs of humanity. It's the same wherever you go, whether a council housing estate or a private one. Those persons who are lucky enough to be able to afford to live in elitist areas are just as likely to be obnoxious Neanderthals as anyone scrimping a living in the worst corner of a social housing estate. The Housing Market is fuelled by greed and has caused a chasm to open up between those attempting to get on the housing ladder and those already there. People on normal wages can no longer afford to save deposits with which to acquire a mortgage. Just because the development will be of a social housing nature, it doesn't mean that the people living there will be trolls with the social habits of feral dogs. More likely is that the snobs railing against this scheme will exhibit the antisocial traits of the NIMBY so prevalent amongst the population who live on that part of the hill.
(Not a bad argument from someone brought up in the ghetto!)
People are people no matter where they live. Growing up on Walcot council estate, there were decent people and the dregs of humanity. It's the same wherever you go, whether a council housing estate or a private one. Those persons who are lucky enough to be able to afford to live in elitist areas are just as likely to be obnoxious Neanderthals as anyone scrimping a living in the worst corner of a social housing estate. The Housing Market is fuelled by greed and has caused a chasm to open up between those attempting to get on the housing ladder and those already there. People on normal wages can no longer afford to save deposits with which to acquire a mortgage. Just because the development will be of a social housing nature, it doesn't mean that the people living there will be trolls with the social habits of feral dogs. More likely is that the snobs railing against this scheme will exhibit the antisocial traits of the NIMBY so prevalent amongst the population who live on that part of the hill. (Not a bad argument from someone brought up in the ghetto!) swindon69
  • Score: 13

9:30am Thu 21 Aug 14

Sandor Clegane says...


It wasn't a problem when the building was social housing previously been was it?


Er, you're joking - right? The police were there almost as much as they are at the hostel at the end of Bath Road.
[quote] It wasn't a problem when the building was social housing previously been was it? [/quote] Er, you're joking - right? The police were there almost as much as they are at the hostel at the end of Bath Road. Sandor Clegane
  • Score: 5

9:38am Thu 21 Aug 14

Oldtownmum says...

Social housing in the middle of Bath Road is ridiculous. It's bad enough having The Foyer at the other end. Who wants to pay hundreds of thousands for a house, to have yobs as neighbours?!
Social housing in the middle of Bath Road is ridiculous. It's bad enough having The Foyer at the other end. Who wants to pay hundreds of thousands for a house, to have yobs as neighbours?! Oldtownmum
  • Score: 0

9:42am Thu 21 Aug 14

house on the hill says...

swindon69 wrote:
People are people no matter where they live. Growing up on Walcot council estate, there were decent people and the dregs of humanity. It's the same wherever you go, whether a council housing estate or a private one. Those persons who are lucky enough to be able to afford to live in elitist areas are just as likely to be obnoxious Neanderthals as anyone scrimping a living in the worst corner of a social housing estate. The Housing Market is fuelled by greed and has caused a chasm to open up between those attempting to get on the housing ladder and those already there. People on normal wages can no longer afford to save deposits with which to acquire a mortgage. Just because the development will be of a social housing nature, it doesn't mean that the people living there will be trolls with the social habits of feral dogs. More likely is that the snobs railing against this scheme will exhibit the antisocial traits of the NIMBY so prevalent amongst the population who live on that part of the hill.
(Not a bad argument from someone brought up in the ghetto!)
Very good post. Some on here are clearly all for segregating the town into the have's and have not's. In my experience those with money are the most arrogant and bigoted of the lot and always look down their noses at "lesser folk!" They seem to think they are a world apart and should have a different set of rules for them.

Having worked in Social Housing for nearly 10 years, at the other end of the scale there are some pretty obnoxious characters too and there does tend to be more anti social behaviour in those areas than others.

But yes there are Neanderthals everywhere. My neighbours are home owners, but the house and garden looks like a tip, loud music and swearing at all hours, they both chain smoke including through both the pregancies and their poor older kid thinks her name is "effing shut up *****!" because that is all the mother ever calls her!

There are good and bad everywhere totally agree but there is also narrow minded bigotry at all levels of the spectrum.
[quote][p][bold]swindon69[/bold] wrote: People are people no matter where they live. Growing up on Walcot council estate, there were decent people and the dregs of humanity. It's the same wherever you go, whether a council housing estate or a private one. Those persons who are lucky enough to be able to afford to live in elitist areas are just as likely to be obnoxious Neanderthals as anyone scrimping a living in the worst corner of a social housing estate. The Housing Market is fuelled by greed and has caused a chasm to open up between those attempting to get on the housing ladder and those already there. People on normal wages can no longer afford to save deposits with which to acquire a mortgage. Just because the development will be of a social housing nature, it doesn't mean that the people living there will be trolls with the social habits of feral dogs. More likely is that the snobs railing against this scheme will exhibit the antisocial traits of the NIMBY so prevalent amongst the population who live on that part of the hill. (Not a bad argument from someone brought up in the ghetto!)[/p][/quote]Very good post. Some on here are clearly all for segregating the town into the have's and have not's. In my experience those with money are the most arrogant and bigoted of the lot and always look down their noses at "lesser folk!" They seem to think they are a world apart and should have a different set of rules for them. Having worked in Social Housing for nearly 10 years, at the other end of the scale there are some pretty obnoxious characters too and there does tend to be more anti social behaviour in those areas than others. But yes there are Neanderthals everywhere. My neighbours are home owners, but the house and garden looks like a tip, loud music and swearing at all hours, they both chain smoke including through both the pregancies and their poor older kid thinks her name is "effing shut up *****!" because that is all the mother ever calls her! There are good and bad everywhere totally agree but there is also narrow minded bigotry at all levels of the spectrum. house on the hill
  • Score: 10

9:43am Thu 21 Aug 14

house on the hill says...

Sandor Clegane wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
So where exactly would you see Council houses being built then? And can someone please explain what affordable housing is and why only a certain portion of society is entitled to it bearing in mind it's tax payers money?

Maybe if we stopped all these schemes house prices would then fall back to where they should be and more people would be able to buy one if they wanted? All this does is keep prices high.
Just about anywhere, other than the most expensive streets in the entire town.

Elderly people are less likely to drive, and almost certainly wouldn't need the average 2 cars per household that regular households now have. It makes so much more sense for this building to be used for elderly people.

If we have to have yet more 'affordable' housing, it should be built in affordable areas - just common sense. How will the 'less well off' people be able to afford the council tax rates for a swanky new property on Bath Road, for example?
they wont have to pay their council tax as they will no doubt be on benefits so we will be paying it for them along with their rent either in full or part.
[quote][p][bold]Sandor Clegane[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: So where exactly would you see Council houses being built then? And can someone please explain what affordable housing is and why only a certain portion of society is entitled to it bearing in mind it's tax payers money? Maybe if we stopped all these schemes house prices would then fall back to where they should be and more people would be able to buy one if they wanted? All this does is keep prices high.[/p][/quote]Just about anywhere, other than the most expensive streets in the entire town. Elderly people are less likely to drive, and almost certainly wouldn't need the average 2 cars per household that regular households now have. It makes so much more sense for this building to be used for elderly people. If we have to have yet more 'affordable' housing, it should be built in affordable areas - just common sense. How will the 'less well off' people be able to afford the council tax rates for a swanky new property on Bath Road, for example?[/p][/quote]they wont have to pay their council tax as they will no doubt be on benefits so we will be paying it for them along with their rent either in full or part. house on the hill
  • Score: 3

9:58am Thu 21 Aug 14

Alan Bast*rd says...

I cannot imagine that Bath road has been a desirable place to live for decades. Constant traffic, drunken revellers walking by, the mental hospital next door etc.
It was originally but those days are long gone.
I cannot imagine that Bath road has been a desirable place to live for decades. Constant traffic, drunken revellers walking by, the mental hospital next door etc. It was originally but those days are long gone. Alan Bast*rd
  • Score: 3

9:59am Thu 21 Aug 14

nobody says...

suburbanbear wrote:
nobody wrote:
Some people in old town aren't half up themselves.
If someone paid hundreds of thousands to live in a beautiful part of Swindon, I think they'd be within their rights to be peeved.
What Bath Road?, a beautiful part of Swindon?, it's a busy main road how beautiful is that.
It's not the councils responsibility to maintain over inflated house prices.
So they're peeved because the current derelict building, come rubbish tip, come drug den is being replaced with affordable housing. Obviously living next to a eyesore adds thousands to the value of the houses.
[quote][p][bold]suburbanbear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nobody[/bold] wrote: Some people in old town aren't half up themselves.[/p][/quote]If someone paid hundreds of thousands to live in a beautiful part of Swindon, I think they'd be within their rights to be peeved.[/p][/quote]What Bath Road?, a beautiful part of Swindon?, it's a busy main road how beautiful is that. It's not the councils responsibility to maintain over inflated house prices. So they're peeved because the current derelict building, come rubbish tip, come drug den is being replaced with affordable housing. Obviously living next to a eyesore adds thousands to the value of the houses. nobody
  • Score: 9

11:47am Thu 21 Aug 14

Oik1 says...

Having worked in the Old Town area and a good number of private properties along Bath Road for over ten years, I can confirm there are more than a few Neanderthals living along that road, some so far up their own backsides they don't often see daylight, I can promise you Bath Road isn't all that and it's certainly not where I'd want to live and that's before any changes to this property.
Having worked in the Old Town area and a good number of private properties along Bath Road for over ten years, I can confirm there are more than a few Neanderthals living along that road, some so far up their own backsides they don't often see daylight, I can promise you Bath Road isn't all that and it's certainly not where I'd want to live and that's before any changes to this property. Oik1
  • Score: 7

12:02pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Wildwestener says...

Oldtownmum wrote:
Social housing in the middle of Bath Road is ridiculous. It's bad enough having The Foyer at the other end. Who wants to pay hundreds of thousands for a house, to have yobs as neighbours?!
Appalling snobbery - Council tenants do not equal yobs. Get over yourself, that's an obnoxious thing to say. And no I'm not a council tenant and no I'm not on benefits.
[quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: Social housing in the middle of Bath Road is ridiculous. It's bad enough having The Foyer at the other end. Who wants to pay hundreds of thousands for a house, to have yobs as neighbours?![/p][/quote]Appalling snobbery - Council tenants do not equal yobs. Get over yourself, that's an obnoxious thing to say. And no I'm not a council tenant and no I'm not on benefits. Wildwestener
  • Score: 10

12:34pm Thu 21 Aug 14

house on the hill says...

Wildwestener wrote:
Oldtownmum wrote:
Social housing in the middle of Bath Road is ridiculous. It's bad enough having The Foyer at the other end. Who wants to pay hundreds of thousands for a house, to have yobs as neighbours?!
Appalling snobbery - Council tenants do not equal yobs. Get over yourself, that's an obnoxious thing to say. And no I'm not a council tenant and no I'm not on benefits.
Like most things in life its more about perception than fact. There are most certainly yobs everywhere and money is no indicator of how nice you are, usually quite the opposite, the more you have the more of an arrogant snob you are I have found. Do we really want a town segregated like so many seem to think we should?
[quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: Social housing in the middle of Bath Road is ridiculous. It's bad enough having The Foyer at the other end. Who wants to pay hundreds of thousands for a house, to have yobs as neighbours?![/p][/quote]Appalling snobbery - Council tenants do not equal yobs. Get over yourself, that's an obnoxious thing to say. And no I'm not a council tenant and no I'm not on benefits.[/p][/quote]Like most things in life its more about perception than fact. There are most certainly yobs everywhere and money is no indicator of how nice you are, usually quite the opposite, the more you have the more of an arrogant snob you are I have found. Do we really want a town segregated like so many seem to think we should? house on the hill
  • Score: 5

1:27pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Charllie Says says...

Wowzimmer wrote:
People are concerned that the areas 'exclusive' ambiance may be affected by this development. Sadly, if the area was that desirable then a private developer would already of snapped up the site to create luxury flats. Clearly this isn't the case. I'm in favour of this development and believe that the council have struck the right note. This isn't an old fashioned 'council flat' development but a social housing scheme. The key point here is that rents will be set at 80% of normal market rate, allowing people normally priced out of the market to have a home of their own. This scheme will breathe new life in the area, develop a brownfield site (so coveted by many readers of the Swindon Advertiser' and create much needed affordable housing. Claiming that residents of social housing are criminals or otherwise undesirable is an overly negative, simplistic and foolish viewpoint that insults us all.
Totally agree with you there!!
[quote][p][bold]Wowzimmer[/bold] wrote: People are concerned that the areas 'exclusive' ambiance may be affected by this development. Sadly, if the area was that desirable then a private developer would already of snapped up the site to create luxury flats. Clearly this isn't the case. I'm in favour of this development and believe that the council have struck the right note. This isn't an old fashioned 'council flat' development but a social housing scheme. The key point here is that rents will be set at 80% of normal market rate, allowing people normally priced out of the market to have a home of their own. This scheme will breathe new life in the area, develop a brownfield site (so coveted by many readers of the Swindon Advertiser' and create much needed affordable housing. Claiming that residents of social housing are criminals or otherwise undesirable is an overly negative, simplistic and foolish viewpoint that insults us all.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you there!! Charllie Says
  • Score: 1

2:34pm Thu 21 Aug 14

messyits says...

I wonder how this will affect council tax the property will be in a very high band
I wonder how this will affect council tax the property will be in a very high band messyits
  • Score: -5

3:41pm Thu 21 Aug 14

house on the hill says...

Charllie Says wrote:
Wowzimmer wrote:
People are concerned that the areas 'exclusive' ambiance may be affected by this development. Sadly, if the area was that desirable then a private developer would already of snapped up the site to create luxury flats. Clearly this isn't the case. I'm in favour of this development and believe that the council have struck the right note. This isn't an old fashioned 'council flat' development but a social housing scheme. The key point here is that rents will be set at 80% of normal market rate, allowing people normally priced out of the market to have a home of their own. This scheme will breathe new life in the area, develop a brownfield site (so coveted by many readers of the Swindon Advertiser' and create much needed affordable housing. Claiming that residents of social housing are criminals or otherwise undesirable is an overly negative, simplistic and foolish viewpoint that insults us all.
Totally agree with you there!!
So why do you think some should get a discount on their housing and some not? Where is the incentive to work harder (or at all) or save or spend your money wisely if you are going to get given it on a plate with taxpayers subsidising the rest?

The whole system of "affordable" housing encourages apathy. If you want something go out and earn it and if you cant afford it you don't have it just like those who do pay their way. Life doesn't come to you, you have to go and grab it, there is no right to a job or a home in the town where you live or in the profession you would like to work or to have kids you know you cant afford and expect others to pay for. If you really want to provide for your family sometimes that means looking elsewhere or re training or whatever you need to do to provide. All this subsidised this and affordable that creates a culture where people just don't have to bother because they expect to just be given it and are. (let the negative thumbs commence from those softy liberals who are ok with more than half the country taking more from the state than they contribute)
[quote][p][bold]Charllie Says[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wowzimmer[/bold] wrote: People are concerned that the areas 'exclusive' ambiance may be affected by this development. Sadly, if the area was that desirable then a private developer would already of snapped up the site to create luxury flats. Clearly this isn't the case. I'm in favour of this development and believe that the council have struck the right note. This isn't an old fashioned 'council flat' development but a social housing scheme. The key point here is that rents will be set at 80% of normal market rate, allowing people normally priced out of the market to have a home of their own. This scheme will breathe new life in the area, develop a brownfield site (so coveted by many readers of the Swindon Advertiser' and create much needed affordable housing. Claiming that residents of social housing are criminals or otherwise undesirable is an overly negative, simplistic and foolish viewpoint that insults us all.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you there!![/p][/quote]So why do you think some should get a discount on their housing and some not? Where is the incentive to work harder (or at all) or save or spend your money wisely if you are going to get given it on a plate with taxpayers subsidising the rest? The whole system of "affordable" housing encourages apathy. If you want something go out and earn it and if you cant afford it you don't have it just like those who do pay their way. Life doesn't come to you, you have to go and grab it, there is no right to a job or a home in the town where you live or in the profession you would like to work or to have kids you know you cant afford and expect others to pay for. If you really want to provide for your family sometimes that means looking elsewhere or re training or whatever you need to do to provide. All this subsidised this and affordable that creates a culture where people just don't have to bother because they expect to just be given it and are. (let the negative thumbs commence from those softy liberals who are ok with more than half the country taking more from the state than they contribute) house on the hill
  • Score: -3

4:42pm Thu 21 Aug 14

beach1e says...

the woman in the picture hasnt said this time how it would affect the sale of her property
the woman in the picture hasnt said this time how it would affect the sale of her property beach1e
  • Score: 3

5:45pm Thu 21 Aug 14

swindon69 says...

house on the hill wrote:
Charllie Says wrote:
Wowzimmer wrote:
People are concerned that the areas 'exclusive' ambiance may be affected by this development. Sadly, if the area was that desirable then a private developer would already of snapped up the site to create luxury flats. Clearly this isn't the case. I'm in favour of this development and believe that the council have struck the right note. This isn't an old fashioned 'council flat' development but a social housing scheme. The key point here is that rents will be set at 80% of normal market rate, allowing people normally priced out of the market to have a home of their own. This scheme will breathe new life in the area, develop a brownfield site (so coveted by many readers of the Swindon Advertiser' and create much needed affordable housing. Claiming that residents of social housing are criminals or otherwise undesirable is an overly negative, simplistic and foolish viewpoint that insults us all.
Totally agree with you there!!
So why do you think some should get a discount on their housing and some not? Where is the incentive to work harder (or at all) or save or spend your money wisely if you are going to get given it on a plate with taxpayers subsidising the rest?

The whole system of "affordable" housing encourages apathy. If you want something go out and earn it and if you cant afford it you don't have it just like those who do pay their way. Life doesn't come to you, you have to go and grab it, there is no right to a job or a home in the town where you live or in the profession you would like to work or to have kids you know you cant afford and expect others to pay for. If you really want to provide for your family sometimes that means looking elsewhere or re training or whatever you need to do to provide. All this subsidised this and affordable that creates a culture where people just don't have to bother because they expect to just be given it and are. (let the negative thumbs commence from those softy liberals who are ok with more than half the country taking more from the state than they contribute)
From your "Berghof", I'm sure you look down on the eastern council estates of Swindon with disdain. However, there was a time when the Working Class folk who lived there were happy to stay there, and out of your way, because the paltry wages they were paid for doing 90% of the graft in this country was "rewarded" with the prospect of a council dwelling. Not salubrious by any means, but comfortable with a fair rent. Thatcher's regime came along and allowed the social housing stock to be sold off, along with a great deal of the country's other wealth and infrastructure, in order to prop up what was the most unpopular British government of any time in the modern era. With such a high reduction in the number of social housing available to the masses, they looked enviously up the hill and realised that they didn't have to kowtow to the middle classes and "know their place". Thatcher taught them consumerism and the "I'm alright Jack" mantra that went hand in hand with her selling off our gas fields, railways and oilfields. If you bemoan the fact that the Working Class are now among you, look to your Tory leadership and blame them for the social mess they created.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charllie Says[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wowzimmer[/bold] wrote: People are concerned that the areas 'exclusive' ambiance may be affected by this development. Sadly, if the area was that desirable then a private developer would already of snapped up the site to create luxury flats. Clearly this isn't the case. I'm in favour of this development and believe that the council have struck the right note. This isn't an old fashioned 'council flat' development but a social housing scheme. The key point here is that rents will be set at 80% of normal market rate, allowing people normally priced out of the market to have a home of their own. This scheme will breathe new life in the area, develop a brownfield site (so coveted by many readers of the Swindon Advertiser' and create much needed affordable housing. Claiming that residents of social housing are criminals or otherwise undesirable is an overly negative, simplistic and foolish viewpoint that insults us all.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you there!![/p][/quote]So why do you think some should get a discount on their housing and some not? Where is the incentive to work harder (or at all) or save or spend your money wisely if you are going to get given it on a plate with taxpayers subsidising the rest? The whole system of "affordable" housing encourages apathy. If you want something go out and earn it and if you cant afford it you don't have it just like those who do pay their way. Life doesn't come to you, you have to go and grab it, there is no right to a job or a home in the town where you live or in the profession you would like to work or to have kids you know you cant afford and expect others to pay for. If you really want to provide for your family sometimes that means looking elsewhere or re training or whatever you need to do to provide. All this subsidised this and affordable that creates a culture where people just don't have to bother because they expect to just be given it and are. (let the negative thumbs commence from those softy liberals who are ok with more than half the country taking more from the state than they contribute)[/p][/quote]From your "Berghof", I'm sure you look down on the eastern council estates of Swindon with disdain. However, there was a time when the Working Class folk who lived there were happy to stay there, and out of your way, because the paltry wages they were paid for doing 90% of the graft in this country was "rewarded" with the prospect of a council dwelling. Not salubrious by any means, but comfortable with a fair rent. Thatcher's regime came along and allowed the social housing stock to be sold off, along with a great deal of the country's other wealth and infrastructure, in order to prop up what was the most unpopular British government of any time in the modern era. With such a high reduction in the number of social housing available to the masses, they looked enviously up the hill and realised that they didn't have to kowtow to the middle classes and "know their place". Thatcher taught them consumerism and the "I'm alright Jack" mantra that went hand in hand with her selling off our gas fields, railways and oilfields. If you bemoan the fact that the Working Class are now among you, look to your Tory leadership and blame them for the social mess they created. swindon69
  • Score: 6

11:45pm Thu 21 Aug 14

lgmb22 says...

Those derelict crackdens do wonderful things to house prices on Bath Road. If anyone was to take a step back, they woulx see that affordable housing doesn't mean another residence like The Foyer, it simply means that more working class citizens can afford them, which is surely a positive thing for the town as a whole?

I actually live in social housing in Old Town too, maybe they'll move me so I can practise being among the Swindon Elite.
Those derelict crackdens do wonderful things to house prices on Bath Road. If anyone was to take a step back, they woulx see that affordable housing doesn't mean another residence like The Foyer, it simply means that more working class citizens can afford them, which is surely a positive thing for the town as a whole? I actually live in social housing in Old Town too, maybe they'll move me so I can practise being among the Swindon Elite. lgmb22
  • Score: 2

7:21am Fri 22 Aug 14

RocknRollBaby says...

I live in affordable housing (housing association). I'm not a 'yob', as someone below branded people that live in these kind of homes. I know I am in the minority of people who treat their homes as homes, not as a free 'ride'. I pay rent, council tax, and tax, my home is somewhere where myself and my son live. I do understand that affordable housing may 'lower the tone', but some of us are good neighbours that clean our windows, and have matching blinds at the window ;). Please don't roll your eyes at the first hurdle.
I live in affordable housing (housing association). I'm not a 'yob', as someone below branded people that live in these kind of homes. I know I am in the minority of people who treat their homes as homes, not as a free 'ride'. I pay rent, council tax, and tax, my home is somewhere where myself and my son live. I do understand that affordable housing may 'lower the tone', but some of us are good neighbours that clean our windows, and have matching blinds at the window ;). Please don't roll your eyes at the first hurdle. RocknRollBaby
  • Score: 5

10:26am Fri 22 Aug 14

Alan Bast*rd says...

swindon69 wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
Charllie Says wrote:
Wowzimmer wrote:
People are concerned that the areas 'exclusive' ambiance may be affected by this development. Sadly, if the area was that desirable then a private developer would already of snapped up the site to create luxury flats. Clearly this isn't the case. I'm in favour of this development and believe that the council have struck the right note. This isn't an old fashioned 'council flat' development but a social housing scheme. The key point here is that rents will be set at 80% of normal market rate, allowing people normally priced out of the market to have a home of their own. This scheme will breathe new life in the area, develop a brownfield site (so coveted by many readers of the Swindon Advertiser' and create much needed affordable housing. Claiming that residents of social housing are criminals or otherwise undesirable is an overly negative, simplistic and foolish viewpoint that insults us all.
Totally agree with you there!!
So why do you think some should get a discount on their housing and some not? Where is the incentive to work harder (or at all) or save or spend your money wisely if you are going to get given it on a plate with taxpayers subsidising the rest?

The whole system of "affordable" housing encourages apathy. If you want something go out and earn it and if you cant afford it you don't have it just like those who do pay their way. Life doesn't come to you, you have to go and grab it, there is no right to a job or a home in the town where you live or in the profession you would like to work or to have kids you know you cant afford and expect others to pay for. If you really want to provide for your family sometimes that means looking elsewhere or re training or whatever you need to do to provide. All this subsidised this and affordable that creates a culture where people just don't have to bother because they expect to just be given it and are. (let the negative thumbs commence from those softy liberals who are ok with more than half the country taking more from the state than they contribute)
From your "Berghof", I'm sure you look down on the eastern council estates of Swindon with disdain. However, there was a time when the Working Class folk who lived there were happy to stay there, and out of your way, because the paltry wages they were paid for doing 90% of the graft in this country was "rewarded" with the prospect of a council dwelling. Not salubrious by any means, but comfortable with a fair rent. Thatcher's regime came along and allowed the social housing stock to be sold off, along with a great deal of the country's other wealth and infrastructure, in order to prop up what was the most unpopular British government of any time in the modern era. With such a high reduction in the number of social housing available to the masses, they looked enviously up the hill and realised that they didn't have to kowtow to the middle classes and "know their place". Thatcher taught them consumerism and the "I'm alright Jack" mantra that went hand in hand with her selling off our gas fields, railways and oilfields. If you bemoan the fact that the Working Class are now among you, look to your Tory leadership and blame them for the social mess they created.
Amen. Brilliant post.
[quote][p][bold]swindon69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charllie Says[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wowzimmer[/bold] wrote: People are concerned that the areas 'exclusive' ambiance may be affected by this development. Sadly, if the area was that desirable then a private developer would already of snapped up the site to create luxury flats. Clearly this isn't the case. I'm in favour of this development and believe that the council have struck the right note. This isn't an old fashioned 'council flat' development but a social housing scheme. The key point here is that rents will be set at 80% of normal market rate, allowing people normally priced out of the market to have a home of their own. This scheme will breathe new life in the area, develop a brownfield site (so coveted by many readers of the Swindon Advertiser' and create much needed affordable housing. Claiming that residents of social housing are criminals or otherwise undesirable is an overly negative, simplistic and foolish viewpoint that insults us all.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you there!![/p][/quote]So why do you think some should get a discount on their housing and some not? Where is the incentive to work harder (or at all) or save or spend your money wisely if you are going to get given it on a plate with taxpayers subsidising the rest? The whole system of "affordable" housing encourages apathy. If you want something go out and earn it and if you cant afford it you don't have it just like those who do pay their way. Life doesn't come to you, you have to go and grab it, there is no right to a job or a home in the town where you live or in the profession you would like to work or to have kids you know you cant afford and expect others to pay for. If you really want to provide for your family sometimes that means looking elsewhere or re training or whatever you need to do to provide. All this subsidised this and affordable that creates a culture where people just don't have to bother because they expect to just be given it and are. (let the negative thumbs commence from those softy liberals who are ok with more than half the country taking more from the state than they contribute)[/p][/quote]From your "Berghof", I'm sure you look down on the eastern council estates of Swindon with disdain. However, there was a time when the Working Class folk who lived there were happy to stay there, and out of your way, because the paltry wages they were paid for doing 90% of the graft in this country was "rewarded" with the prospect of a council dwelling. Not salubrious by any means, but comfortable with a fair rent. Thatcher's regime came along and allowed the social housing stock to be sold off, along with a great deal of the country's other wealth and infrastructure, in order to prop up what was the most unpopular British government of any time in the modern era. With such a high reduction in the number of social housing available to the masses, they looked enviously up the hill and realised that they didn't have to kowtow to the middle classes and "know their place". Thatcher taught them consumerism and the "I'm alright Jack" mantra that went hand in hand with her selling off our gas fields, railways and oilfields. If you bemoan the fact that the Working Class are now among you, look to your Tory leadership and blame them for the social mess they created.[/p][/quote]Amen. Brilliant post. Alan Bast*rd
  • Score: 2

8:00pm Fri 22 Aug 14

ASwindonianJustLikeYou says...

It's amazing how perceptions and memories differ. I lived in Townsend House while I was doing my A-levels. The police weren't called constantly. There were occasional loud parties, of which I remember every single one, as it was far, far more disruptive for me than residents of completely different properties on the same road. I complained about any and all parties to the staff when they came in the next morning! Sadly, there aren't staff to keep the typical mortgaged noisy neighbour in line.

I am now a private tenant and I even pay council tax, believe it or not.
It's amazing how perceptions and memories differ. I lived in Townsend House while I was doing my A-levels. The police weren't called constantly. There were occasional loud parties, of which I remember every single one, as it was far, far more disruptive for me than residents of completely different properties on the same road. I complained about any and all parties to the staff when they came in the next morning! Sadly, there aren't staff to keep the typical mortgaged noisy neighbour in line. I am now a private tenant and I even pay council tax, believe it or not. ASwindonianJustLikeYou
  • Score: 1

10:07pm Fri 22 Aug 14

ASwindonianJustLikeYou says...

Oldtownmum wrote:
Social housing in the middle of Bath Road is ridiculous. It's bad enough having The Foyer at the other end. Who wants to pay hundreds of thousands for a house, to have yobs as neighbours?!
I am a frequent reader of this newspaper both online and in print, and you have already expressed your thoughts most adequately on the idea of living near either care homes or supportive accommodation for young people with autism.

Bath Road, to my certain knowledge, features both, as well as the very attractive bed and breakfast featured in the article.

I suggest you try Hillside Avenue, if it's not too out of your price range.
[quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: Social housing in the middle of Bath Road is ridiculous. It's bad enough having The Foyer at the other end. Who wants to pay hundreds of thousands for a house, to have yobs as neighbours?![/p][/quote]I am a frequent reader of this newspaper both online and in print, and you have already expressed your thoughts most adequately on the idea of living near either care homes or supportive accommodation for young people with autism. Bath Road, to my certain knowledge, features both, as well as the very attractive bed and breakfast featured in the article. I suggest you try Hillside Avenue, if it's not too out of your price range. ASwindonianJustLikeYou
  • Score: 1
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