Swindon Council says yes to 66 houses at Abbey Stadium site

This Is Wiltshire: Clark Osborne and Roger Wheeler at a public consultation over the plans for Abbey Stadium Clark Osborne and Roger Wheeler at a public consultation over the plans for Abbey Stadium

AFTER years of discussions and expectation around a new stadium for speedway champions the Swindon Robins, the red tape is up and the plans have been passed.

Swindon Council has said yes to the move for 66 homes to be built at Abbey Stadium, in Lady Lane, which could be the catalyst to kickstart the long-awaited new development to replace the 60-year track at Blunsdon and provide training facilities.

Under proposals, which were first brought in front of the council in 2008, developers had hoped to build 450 houses, a care home and a business area.

But due to the recession, Landvest PCC Ltd and Gaming International Ltd have gone back to the drawing board to find new ways of making the development more viable.

They have been consulting with the public and other authorities about scrapping the business area for an extra 66 houses.

Persimmon Homes Wessex Ltd proposes to build the 66 houses which, along with the other 450 homes, is the key to funding the stadium part of the development.

Despite residents and Wiltshire Police objecting to the extra homes, the council’s planning team approved the proposals under delegated powers.

Bob Walton, Crime Prevention adviser Swindon and North Wiltshire Community Safety wrote to the council to say the extra houses could lead to an increase in car theft and will offer poor parking spaces.

“The high density of the housing has led to what I consider to be poor parking space allocation for vehicles,” said Mr Walton.

“I am concerned this will lead to both increasing numbers of thefts from motor vehicles and potentially also to neighbour disputes over car parking issues.”

He added there was no provision for disabled drivers and the design does not leave room for much on-street parking.

Thames Water said there was insufficient water infrastructure to cater for the extra housing and essential infrastructure upgrades to deal with sewage and flooding were taking place in March. It asked for the scheme to be delayed until it had time to carry out the associated works.

Councillor Dale Heenan, cabinet member for strategic planning and sustainability said: “Since the outline planning permission was granted in 2008, the developer has said that economic conditions had changed and that the commercial uses agreed are no longer viable.

“The first detailed plans have been approved by Swindon Council with the stadium unchanged but its redevelopment assured, and now with more car parking spaces available.

“The council is still imposing a delay that no house can be occupied until Thames Water have completed their improvements to water and drainage infrastructure in 2014.”

Steve Roche, managing director of Persimmon Homes Wessex, said: “We are pleased.

“This means there is approval of reserved matters for 66 dwellings pursuant to the outline planning permission previously granted for demolition of the existing Abbey Stadium and construction of a new stadium with youth training facilities, business floorspace and 450 dwellings.

“This is the first phase in the implementation of that project.”

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11:31am Fri 27 Dec 13

Moth says...

Yet more houses? Why? What is there really to attract people to Swindon? There are no jobs, we have no real town centre -, just a mishmash of shops selling cheap tat, facilities are not good and what there is is expensive. Can't help but think whose pocket's been lined this time.
Yet more houses? Why? What is there really to attract people to Swindon? There are no jobs, we have no real town centre -, just a mishmash of shops selling cheap tat, facilities are not good and what there is is expensive. Can't help but think whose pocket's been lined this time. Moth

2:44pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Always Grumpy says...

Moth wrote:
Yet more houses? Why? What is there really to attract people to Swindon? There are no jobs, we have no real town centre -, just a mishmash of shops selling cheap tat, facilities are not good and what there is is expensive. Can't help but think whose pocket's been lined this time.
Yet you're here - why?
[quote][p][bold]Moth[/bold] wrote: Yet more houses? Why? What is there really to attract people to Swindon? There are no jobs, we have no real town centre -, just a mishmash of shops selling cheap tat, facilities are not good and what there is is expensive. Can't help but think whose pocket's been lined this time.[/p][/quote]Yet you're here - why? Always Grumpy

3:55pm Fri 27 Dec 13

beach1e says...

the operative words are " that could start" which means, it wont, but the council will throw that in in the hope of making a stupid idea seem a good one. the town is over run with housing and no proper infrastructure to support it, there must some amazing pay offs being paid to people in this council over the years.
the operative words are " that could start" which means, it wont, but the council will throw that in in the hope of making a stupid idea seem a good one. the town is over run with housing and no proper infrastructure to support it, there must some amazing pay offs being paid to people in this council over the years. beach1e

5:57pm Fri 27 Dec 13

loco12 says...

Where are all the speedway fans going to park on race night?
Where are all the speedway fans going to park on race night? loco12

6:35pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Ringer says...

Another million quid a year in Council Tax revenues, no wonder the council are happy.

It'll be interesting to see if the Section 106 bribe will come good and the owners of these new houses will buy the town a new speedway stadium out of what is essentially just another tax on those properties.
Another million quid a year in Council Tax revenues, no wonder the council are happy. It'll be interesting to see if the Section 106 bribe will come good and the owners of these new houses will buy the town a new speedway stadium out of what is essentially just another tax on those properties. Ringer

8:52pm Fri 27 Dec 13

melnursesear. says...

I do hope another Stadium will be completed before the Houses go up etc..You can visualise Dogs and Speedway rapidly dissapearing if it doesn,t happen..Builders would suddenly go Bust before track completed Where I live now{ ex Swindonian} wev,e seen it all before..
I do hope another Stadium will be completed before the Houses go up etc..You can visualise Dogs and Speedway rapidly dissapearing if it doesn,t happen..Builders would suddenly go Bust before track completed Where I live now{ ex Swindonian} wev,e seen it all before.. melnursesear.

12:29am Sat 28 Dec 13

Moth says...

Always Grumpy wrote:
Moth wrote:
Yet more houses? Why? What is there really to attract people to Swindon? There are no jobs, we have no real town centre -, just a mishmash of shops selling cheap tat, facilities are not good and what there is is expensive. Can't help but think whose pocket's been lined this time.
Yet you're here - why?
You moved away didn't you? As for I'm here - yes and if I could move elsewhere, I would.
[quote][p][bold]Always Grumpy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Moth[/bold] wrote: Yet more houses? Why? What is there really to attract people to Swindon? There are no jobs, we have no real town centre -, just a mishmash of shops selling cheap tat, facilities are not good and what there is is expensive. Can't help but think whose pocket's been lined this time.[/p][/quote]Yet you're here - why?[/p][/quote]You moved away didn't you? As for I'm here - yes and if I could move elsewhere, I would. Moth

9:03am Sat 28 Dec 13

Always Grumpy says...

Moth wrote:
Always Grumpy wrote:
Moth wrote:
Yet more houses? Why? What is there really to attract people to Swindon? There are no jobs, we have no real town centre -, just a mishmash of shops selling cheap tat, facilities are not good and what there is is expensive. Can't help but think whose pocket's been lined this time.
Yet you're here - why?
You moved away didn't you? As for I'm here - yes and if I could move elsewhere, I would.
No, I didn't move away, I've lived in Swindon all my life, other than when I went to University.
So, you would move away if you could? So what's stopping you - a job here perhaps or housing you can afford?
There are far worse places to live than Swindon, some of them fairly close, unless you have plenty of money.
[quote][p][bold]Moth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Always Grumpy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Moth[/bold] wrote: Yet more houses? Why? What is there really to attract people to Swindon? There are no jobs, we have no real town centre -, just a mishmash of shops selling cheap tat, facilities are not good and what there is is expensive. Can't help but think whose pocket's been lined this time.[/p][/quote]Yet you're here - why?[/p][/quote]You moved away didn't you? As for I'm here - yes and if I could move elsewhere, I would.[/p][/quote]No, I didn't move away, I've lived in Swindon all my life, other than when I went to University. So, you would move away if you could? So what's stopping you - a job here perhaps or housing you can afford? There are far worse places to live than Swindon, some of them fairly close, unless you have plenty of money. Always Grumpy

4:22pm Sat 28 Dec 13

pmc1947 says...

Moth wrote:
Yet more houses? Why? What is there really to attract people to Swindon? There are no jobs, we have no real town centre -, just a mishmash of shops selling cheap tat, facilities are not good and what there is is expensive. Can't help but think whose pocket's been lined this time.
Talking to a Londoner in a pub at Brentford on Monday who visits relations in Swindon regularly and he said if he could he would move from London to Swindon. Not for the town centre but better housing and lifestyle.
[quote][p][bold]Moth[/bold] wrote: Yet more houses? Why? What is there really to attract people to Swindon? There are no jobs, we have no real town centre -, just a mishmash of shops selling cheap tat, facilities are not good and what there is is expensive. Can't help but think whose pocket's been lined this time.[/p][/quote]Talking to a Londoner in a pub at Brentford on Monday who visits relations in Swindon regularly and he said if he could he would move from London to Swindon. Not for the town centre but better housing and lifestyle. pmc1947

8:27pm Sat 28 Dec 13

Moth says...

Always Grumpy wrote:
Moth wrote:
Always Grumpy wrote:
Moth wrote:
Yet more houses? Why? What is there really to attract people to Swindon? There are no jobs, we have no real town centre -, just a mishmash of shops selling cheap tat, facilities are not good and what there is is expensive. Can't help but think whose pocket's been lined this time.
Yet you're here - why?
You moved away didn't you? As for I'm here - yes and if I could move elsewhere, I would.
No, I didn't move away, I've lived in Swindon all my life, other than when I went to University.
So, you would move away if you could? So what's stopping you - a job here perhaps or housing you can afford?
There are far worse places to live than Swindon, some of them fairly close, unless you have plenty of money.
If I had enough money I would leave. I have a job but it's low pay. I'm also not young now so wouldn't get a mortgage and getting a better paid job would be just as hard if not harder. What employers there are (mostly through agencies) want YOUNG staff, not OLDER staff like me with 40 years of experience, so much as I'd like to, I'm TRAPPED in Swindon. Even young people are having a hard time finding ANY job. I agree there are worse places to live but to see the mess respective councils, both Tory and Labour have made of this town is very sad.

Why do you think big business doesn't want to come here? The rent and rates charged by the council are astronomical. Take a good look at the Brunel Centre. How many shop units are lying empty? Go into town and have a good look at it - and take off the rose-tinted spectacles and see it as it really is - a town centre without a soul, tacky shops selling tacky products and let us not forget the abundance of pubs where drunks fall out of morning, noon and night.

What is there for entertainment for people over the age of 40 (and I'm being generous here). NOTHING. NADA. NOTHING. Everything is aimed at young people.

The town itself is unattractive. Dull, grey and drab. In the summer there are no flowers or hanging baskets anymore although there were some 18 years ago -. along came Labour and in their infinite wisdom decided that a hanging basket MIGHT fall on someone's head so the lovely hanging baskets all disappeared. Go to any other town and you'll see colourful flowers, in hanging baskets, box displays etc. everywhere.

Swindon has a LOT of potential but so far no council has done anything about it.

The development where the old college used to be, I believe is going to be a cinema complex. Oh wow! Really? Can people afford to go to the cinema these days?

A decent shopping mall would have been preferable with independent shops e.g. a fishmonger. As far as I'm aware, we haven't got one in Swindon since the fishmonger in Groundwell Road shut up shop a few years ago.

You really want to know what the biggest problem with Swindon is? I'll tell you. THE SELF-SERVING, POCKET LINING COUNCILLORS that "run" our council and have completely destroyed what was once a very promising town.

I hope there are councillors reading this because the whole lot of you are a DISGRACE!

So, Always Grumpy, there you have it and before you start screaming "low pay - benefit scrounger" I claim NOTHING. With my low pay plus a small pension and careful budgeting I manage to scrape by.
[quote][p][bold]Always Grumpy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Moth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Always Grumpy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Moth[/bold] wrote: Yet more houses? Why? What is there really to attract people to Swindon? There are no jobs, we have no real town centre -, just a mishmash of shops selling cheap tat, facilities are not good and what there is is expensive. Can't help but think whose pocket's been lined this time.[/p][/quote]Yet you're here - why?[/p][/quote]You moved away didn't you? As for I'm here - yes and if I could move elsewhere, I would.[/p][/quote]No, I didn't move away, I've lived in Swindon all my life, other than when I went to University. So, you would move away if you could? So what's stopping you - a job here perhaps or housing you can afford? There are far worse places to live than Swindon, some of them fairly close, unless you have plenty of money.[/p][/quote]If I had enough money I would leave. I have a job but it's low pay. I'm also not young now so wouldn't get a mortgage and getting a better paid job would be just as hard if not harder. What employers there are (mostly through agencies) want YOUNG staff, not OLDER staff like me with 40 years of experience, so much as I'd like to, I'm TRAPPED in Swindon. Even young people are having a hard time finding ANY job. I agree there are worse places to live but to see the mess respective councils, both Tory and Labour have made of this town is very sad. Why do you think big business doesn't want to come here? The rent and rates charged by the council are astronomical. Take a good look at the Brunel Centre. How many shop units are lying empty? Go into town and have a good look at it - and take off the rose-tinted spectacles and see it as it really is - a town centre without a soul, tacky shops selling tacky products and let us not forget the abundance of pubs where drunks fall out of morning, noon and night. What is there for entertainment for people over the age of 40 (and I'm being generous here). NOTHING. NADA. NOTHING. Everything is aimed at young people. The town itself is unattractive. Dull, grey and drab. In the summer there are no flowers or hanging baskets anymore although there were some 18 years ago -. along came Labour and in their infinite wisdom decided that a hanging basket MIGHT fall on someone's head so the lovely hanging baskets all disappeared. Go to any other town and you'll see colourful flowers, in hanging baskets, box displays etc. everywhere. Swindon has a LOT of potential but so far no council has done anything about it. The development where the old college used to be, I believe is going to be a cinema complex. Oh wow! Really? Can people afford to go to the cinema these days? A decent shopping mall would have been preferable with independent shops e.g. a fishmonger. As far as I'm aware, we haven't got one in Swindon since the fishmonger in Groundwell Road shut up shop a few years ago. You really want to know what the biggest problem with Swindon is? I'll tell you. THE SELF-SERVING, POCKET LINING COUNCILLORS that "run" our council and have completely destroyed what was once a very promising town. I hope there are councillors reading this because the whole lot of you are a DISGRACE! So, Always Grumpy, there you have it and before you start screaming "low pay - benefit scrounger" I claim NOTHING. With my low pay plus a small pension and careful budgeting I manage to scrape by. Moth

8:28pm Sat 28 Dec 13

Moth says...

Always Grumpy wrote:
Moth wrote:
Always Grumpy wrote:
Moth wrote:
Yet more houses? Why? What is there really to attract people to Swindon? There are no jobs, we have no real town centre -, just a mishmash of shops selling cheap tat, facilities are not good and what there is is expensive. Can't help but think whose pocket's been lined this time.
Yet you're here - why?
You moved away didn't you? As for I'm here - yes and if I could move elsewhere, I would.
No, I didn't move away, I've lived in Swindon all my life, other than when I went to University.
So, you would move away if you could? So what's stopping you - a job here perhaps or housing you can afford?
There are far worse places to live than Swindon, some of them fairly close, unless you have plenty of money.
If I had enough money I would leave. I have a job but it's low pay. I'm also not young now so wouldn't get a mortgage and getting a better paid job would be just as hard if not harder. What employers there are (mostly through agencies) want YOUNG staff, not OLDER staff like me with 40 years of experience, so much as I'd like to, I'm TRAPPED in Swindon. Even young people are having a hard time finding ANY job. I agree there are worse places to live but to see the mess respective councils, both Tory and Labour have made of this town is very sad.

Why do you think big business doesn't want to come here? The rent and rates charged by the council are astronomical. Take a good look at the Brunel Centre. How many shop units are lying empty? Go into town and have a good look at it - and take off the rose-tinted spectacles and see it as it really is - a town centre without a soul, tacky shops selling tacky products and let us not forget the abundance of pubs where drunks fall out of morning, noon and night.

What is there for entertainment for people over the age of 40 (and I'm being generous here). NOTHING. NADA. NOTHING. Everything is aimed at young people.

The town itself is unattractive. Dull, grey and drab. In the summer there are no flowers or hanging baskets anymore although there were some 18 years ago -. along came Labour and in their infinite wisdom decided that a hanging basket MIGHT fall on someone's head so the lovely hanging baskets all disappeared. Go to any other town and you'll see colourful flowers, in hanging baskets, box displays etc. everywhere.

Swindon has a LOT of potential but so far no council has done anything about it.

The development where the old college used to be, I believe is going to be a cinema complex. Oh wow! Really? Can people afford to go to the cinema these days?

A decent shopping mall would have been preferable with independent shops e.g. a fishmonger. As far as I'm aware, we haven't got one in Swindon since the fishmonger in Groundwell Road shut up shop a few years ago.

You really want to know what the biggest problem with Swindon is? I'll tell you. THE SELF-SERVING, POCKET LINING COUNCILLORS that "run" our council and have completely destroyed what was once a very promising town.

I hope there are councillors reading this because the whole lot of you are a DISGRACE!

So, Always Grumpy, there you have it and before you start screaming "low pay - benefit scrounger" I claim NOTHING. With my low pay plus a small pension and careful budgeting I manage to scrape by.
[quote][p][bold]Always Grumpy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Moth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Always Grumpy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Moth[/bold] wrote: Yet more houses? Why? What is there really to attract people to Swindon? There are no jobs, we have no real town centre -, just a mishmash of shops selling cheap tat, facilities are not good and what there is is expensive. Can't help but think whose pocket's been lined this time.[/p][/quote]Yet you're here - why?[/p][/quote]You moved away didn't you? As for I'm here - yes and if I could move elsewhere, I would.[/p][/quote]No, I didn't move away, I've lived in Swindon all my life, other than when I went to University. So, you would move away if you could? So what's stopping you - a job here perhaps or housing you can afford? There are far worse places to live than Swindon, some of them fairly close, unless you have plenty of money.[/p][/quote]If I had enough money I would leave. I have a job but it's low pay. I'm also not young now so wouldn't get a mortgage and getting a better paid job would be just as hard if not harder. What employers there are (mostly through agencies) want YOUNG staff, not OLDER staff like me with 40 years of experience, so much as I'd like to, I'm TRAPPED in Swindon. Even young people are having a hard time finding ANY job. I agree there are worse places to live but to see the mess respective councils, both Tory and Labour have made of this town is very sad. Why do you think big business doesn't want to come here? The rent and rates charged by the council are astronomical. Take a good look at the Brunel Centre. How many shop units are lying empty? Go into town and have a good look at it - and take off the rose-tinted spectacles and see it as it really is - a town centre without a soul, tacky shops selling tacky products and let us not forget the abundance of pubs where drunks fall out of morning, noon and night. What is there for entertainment for people over the age of 40 (and I'm being generous here). NOTHING. NADA. NOTHING. Everything is aimed at young people. The town itself is unattractive. Dull, grey and drab. In the summer there are no flowers or hanging baskets anymore although there were some 18 years ago -. along came Labour and in their infinite wisdom decided that a hanging basket MIGHT fall on someone's head so the lovely hanging baskets all disappeared. Go to any other town and you'll see colourful flowers, in hanging baskets, box displays etc. everywhere. Swindon has a LOT of potential but so far no council has done anything about it. The development where the old college used to be, I believe is going to be a cinema complex. Oh wow! Really? Can people afford to go to the cinema these days? A decent shopping mall would have been preferable with independent shops e.g. a fishmonger. As far as I'm aware, we haven't got one in Swindon since the fishmonger in Groundwell Road shut up shop a few years ago. You really want to know what the biggest problem with Swindon is? I'll tell you. THE SELF-SERVING, POCKET LINING COUNCILLORS that "run" our council and have completely destroyed what was once a very promising town. I hope there are councillors reading this because the whole lot of you are a DISGRACE! So, Always Grumpy, there you have it and before you start screaming "low pay - benefit scrounger" I claim NOTHING. With my low pay plus a small pension and careful budgeting I manage to scrape by. Moth

9:53pm Sat 28 Dec 13

Ellofolks says...

Moth wrote:
Always Grumpy wrote:
Moth wrote:
Always Grumpy wrote:
Moth wrote:
Yet more houses? Why? What is there really to attract people to Swindon? There are no jobs, we have no real town centre -, just a mishmash of shops selling cheap tat, facilities are not good and what there is is expensive. Can't help but think whose pocket's been lined this time.
Yet you're here - why?
You moved away didn't you? As for I'm here - yes and if I could move elsewhere, I would.
No, I didn't move away, I've lived in Swindon all my life, other than when I went to University.
So, you would move away if you could? So what's stopping you - a job here perhaps or housing you can afford?
There are far worse places to live than Swindon, some of them fairly close, unless you have plenty of money.
If I had enough money I would leave. I have a job but it's low pay. I'm also not young now so wouldn't get a mortgage and getting a better paid job would be just as hard if not harder. What employers there are (mostly through agencies) want YOUNG staff, not OLDER staff like me with 40 years of experience, so much as I'd like to, I'm TRAPPED in Swindon. Even young people are having a hard time finding ANY job. I agree there are worse places to live but to see the mess respective councils, both Tory and Labour have made of this town is very sad.

Why do you think big business doesn't want to come here? The rent and rates charged by the council are astronomical. Take a good look at the Brunel Centre. How many shop units are lying empty? Go into town and have a good look at it - and take off the rose-tinted spectacles and see it as it really is - a town centre without a soul, tacky shops selling tacky products and let us not forget the abundance of pubs where drunks fall out of morning, noon and night.

What is there for entertainment for people over the age of 40 (and I'm being generous here). NOTHING. NADA. NOTHING. Everything is aimed at young people.

The town itself is unattractive. Dull, grey and drab. In the summer there are no flowers or hanging baskets anymore although there were some 18 years ago -. along came Labour and in their infinite wisdom decided that a hanging basket MIGHT fall on someone's head so the lovely hanging baskets all disappeared. Go to any other town and you'll see colourful flowers, in hanging baskets, box displays etc. everywhere.

Swindon has a LOT of potential but so far no council has done anything about it.

The development where the old college used to be, I believe is going to be a cinema complex. Oh wow! Really? Can people afford to go to the cinema these days?

A decent shopping mall would have been preferable with independent shops e.g. a fishmonger. As far as I'm aware, we haven't got one in Swindon since the fishmonger in Groundwell Road shut up shop a few years ago.

You really want to know what the biggest problem with Swindon is? I'll tell you. THE SELF-SERVING, POCKET LINING COUNCILLORS that "run" our council and have completely destroyed what was once a very promising town.

I hope there are councillors reading this because the whole lot of you are a DISGRACE!

So, Always Grumpy, there you have it and before you start screaming "low pay - benefit scrounger" I claim NOTHING. With my low pay plus a small pension and careful budgeting I manage to scrape by.
Moaning and materialism is a sad trait. I feel very sorry for you. Why not try some voluntary work overseas. Spread your wings open you're eyes and all for next to nothing. It's clear you could benefit from this. Good luck and and send us all a postcard.
[quote][p][bold]Moth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Always Grumpy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Moth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Always Grumpy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Moth[/bold] wrote: Yet more houses? Why? What is there really to attract people to Swindon? There are no jobs, we have no real town centre -, just a mishmash of shops selling cheap tat, facilities are not good and what there is is expensive. Can't help but think whose pocket's been lined this time.[/p][/quote]Yet you're here - why?[/p][/quote]You moved away didn't you? As for I'm here - yes and if I could move elsewhere, I would.[/p][/quote]No, I didn't move away, I've lived in Swindon all my life, other than when I went to University. So, you would move away if you could? So what's stopping you - a job here perhaps or housing you can afford? There are far worse places to live than Swindon, some of them fairly close, unless you have plenty of money.[/p][/quote]If I had enough money I would leave. I have a job but it's low pay. I'm also not young now so wouldn't get a mortgage and getting a better paid job would be just as hard if not harder. What employers there are (mostly through agencies) want YOUNG staff, not OLDER staff like me with 40 years of experience, so much as I'd like to, I'm TRAPPED in Swindon. Even young people are having a hard time finding ANY job. I agree there are worse places to live but to see the mess respective councils, both Tory and Labour have made of this town is very sad. Why do you think big business doesn't want to come here? The rent and rates charged by the council are astronomical. Take a good look at the Brunel Centre. How many shop units are lying empty? Go into town and have a good look at it - and take off the rose-tinted spectacles and see it as it really is - a town centre without a soul, tacky shops selling tacky products and let us not forget the abundance of pubs where drunks fall out of morning, noon and night. What is there for entertainment for people over the age of 40 (and I'm being generous here). NOTHING. NADA. NOTHING. Everything is aimed at young people. The town itself is unattractive. Dull, grey and drab. In the summer there are no flowers or hanging baskets anymore although there were some 18 years ago -. along came Labour and in their infinite wisdom decided that a hanging basket MIGHT fall on someone's head so the lovely hanging baskets all disappeared. Go to any other town and you'll see colourful flowers, in hanging baskets, box displays etc. everywhere. Swindon has a LOT of potential but so far no council has done anything about it. The development where the old college used to be, I believe is going to be a cinema complex. Oh wow! Really? Can people afford to go to the cinema these days? A decent shopping mall would have been preferable with independent shops e.g. a fishmonger. As far as I'm aware, we haven't got one in Swindon since the fishmonger in Groundwell Road shut up shop a few years ago. You really want to know what the biggest problem with Swindon is? I'll tell you. THE SELF-SERVING, POCKET LINING COUNCILLORS that "run" our council and have completely destroyed what was once a very promising town. I hope there are councillors reading this because the whole lot of you are a DISGRACE! So, Always Grumpy, there you have it and before you start screaming "low pay - benefit scrounger" I claim NOTHING. With my low pay plus a small pension and careful budgeting I manage to scrape by.[/p][/quote]Moaning and materialism is a sad trait. I feel very sorry for you. Why not try some voluntary work overseas. Spread your wings open you're eyes and all for next to nothing. It's clear you could benefit from this. Good luck and and send us all a postcard. Ellofolks

11:46pm Sat 28 Dec 13

Still About says...

Moth sounds like a very genuine, hard working, decent citizen.

I fail to see why his/her views should not be carefully considered instead of suggesting Moth be bullied out of town
Moth sounds like a very genuine, hard working, decent citizen. I fail to see why his/her views should not be carefully considered instead of suggesting Moth be bullied out of town Still About

3:55am Sun 29 Dec 13

Moth says...

Ellofolks wrote:
Moth wrote:
Always Grumpy wrote:
Moth wrote:
Always Grumpy wrote:
Moth wrote:
Yet more houses? Why? What is there really to attract people to Swindon? There are no jobs, we have no real town centre -, just a mishmash of shops selling cheap tat, facilities are not good and what there is is expensive. Can't help but think whose pocket's been lined this time.
Yet you're here - why?
You moved away didn't you? As for I'm here - yes and if I could move elsewhere, I would.
No, I didn't move away, I've lived in Swindon all my life, other than when I went to University.
So, you would move away if you could? So what's stopping you - a job here perhaps or housing you can afford?
There are far worse places to live than Swindon, some of them fairly close, unless you have plenty of money.
If I had enough money I would leave. I have a job but it's low pay. I'm also not young now so wouldn't get a mortgage and getting a better paid job would be just as hard if not harder. What employers there are (mostly through agencies) want YOUNG staff, not OLDER staff like me with 40 years of experience, so much as I'd like to, I'm TRAPPED in Swindon. Even young people are having a hard time finding ANY job. I agree there are worse places to live but to see the mess respective councils, both Tory and Labour have made of this town is very sad.

Why do you think big business doesn't want to come here? The rent and rates charged by the council are astronomical. Take a good look at the Brunel Centre. How many shop units are lying empty? Go into town and have a good look at it - and take off the rose-tinted spectacles and see it as it really is - a town centre without a soul, tacky shops selling tacky products and let us not forget the abundance of pubs where drunks fall out of morning, noon and night.

What is there for entertainment for people over the age of 40 (and I'm being generous here). NOTHING. NADA. NOTHING. Everything is aimed at young people.

The town itself is unattractive. Dull, grey and drab. In the summer there are no flowers or hanging baskets anymore although there were some 18 years ago -. along came Labour and in their infinite wisdom decided that a hanging basket MIGHT fall on someone's head so the lovely hanging baskets all disappeared. Go to any other town and you'll see colourful flowers, in hanging baskets, box displays etc. everywhere.

Swindon has a LOT of potential but so far no council has done anything about it.

The development where the old college used to be, I believe is going to be a cinema complex. Oh wow! Really? Can people afford to go to the cinema these days?

A decent shopping mall would have been preferable with independent shops e.g. a fishmonger. As far as I'm aware, we haven't got one in Swindon since the fishmonger in Groundwell Road shut up shop a few years ago.

You really want to know what the biggest problem with Swindon is? I'll tell you. THE SELF-SERVING, POCKET LINING COUNCILLORS that "run" our council and have completely destroyed what was once a very promising town.

I hope there are councillors reading this because the whole lot of you are a DISGRACE!

So, Always Grumpy, there you have it and before you start screaming "low pay - benefit scrounger" I claim NOTHING. With my low pay plus a small pension and careful budgeting I manage to scrape by.
Moaning and materialism is a sad trait. I feel very sorry for you. Why not try some voluntary work overseas. Spread your wings open you're eyes and all for next to nothing. It's clear you could benefit from this. Good luck and and send us all a postcard.
Sorry but I'm TOO OLD - got it...TOO OLD. In any case, voluntary work? Please don't make me laugh. I WORK FULL TIME which often means I work from 9am until 8pm so don't have time.

As for "spreading my wings", you write this drivel yet you know nothing about me. Well. How about this. For years I looked after my critically ill son. Long trips to hospitals not in Swindon for treatment. Thankfully, he's well now. Then, my husband took seriously ill and died a few years back.

Yet, you have the audacity to tell me to "spread my wings, open my eyes".

The best years of my life are gone and sorry, I can't turn the clock back - if I could I would never have come to this town but your post does illustrate one thing very graphically - just how selfish some people have become.
[quote][p][bold]Ellofolks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Moth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Always Grumpy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Moth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Always Grumpy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Moth[/bold] wrote: Yet more houses? Why? What is there really to attract people to Swindon? There are no jobs, we have no real town centre -, just a mishmash of shops selling cheap tat, facilities are not good and what there is is expensive. Can't help but think whose pocket's been lined this time.[/p][/quote]Yet you're here - why?[/p][/quote]You moved away didn't you? As for I'm here - yes and if I could move elsewhere, I would.[/p][/quote]No, I didn't move away, I've lived in Swindon all my life, other than when I went to University. So, you would move away if you could? So what's stopping you - a job here perhaps or housing you can afford? There are far worse places to live than Swindon, some of them fairly close, unless you have plenty of money.[/p][/quote]If I had enough money I would leave. I have a job but it's low pay. I'm also not young now so wouldn't get a mortgage and getting a better paid job would be just as hard if not harder. What employers there are (mostly through agencies) want YOUNG staff, not OLDER staff like me with 40 years of experience, so much as I'd like to, I'm TRAPPED in Swindon. Even young people are having a hard time finding ANY job. I agree there are worse places to live but to see the mess respective councils, both Tory and Labour have made of this town is very sad. Why do you think big business doesn't want to come here? The rent and rates charged by the council are astronomical. Take a good look at the Brunel Centre. How many shop units are lying empty? Go into town and have a good look at it - and take off the rose-tinted spectacles and see it as it really is - a town centre without a soul, tacky shops selling tacky products and let us not forget the abundance of pubs where drunks fall out of morning, noon and night. What is there for entertainment for people over the age of 40 (and I'm being generous here). NOTHING. NADA. NOTHING. Everything is aimed at young people. The town itself is unattractive. Dull, grey and drab. In the summer there are no flowers or hanging baskets anymore although there were some 18 years ago -. along came Labour and in their infinite wisdom decided that a hanging basket MIGHT fall on someone's head so the lovely hanging baskets all disappeared. Go to any other town and you'll see colourful flowers, in hanging baskets, box displays etc. everywhere. Swindon has a LOT of potential but so far no council has done anything about it. The development where the old college used to be, I believe is going to be a cinema complex. Oh wow! Really? Can people afford to go to the cinema these days? A decent shopping mall would have been preferable with independent shops e.g. a fishmonger. As far as I'm aware, we haven't got one in Swindon since the fishmonger in Groundwell Road shut up shop a few years ago. You really want to know what the biggest problem with Swindon is? I'll tell you. THE SELF-SERVING, POCKET LINING COUNCILLORS that "run" our council and have completely destroyed what was once a very promising town. I hope there are councillors reading this because the whole lot of you are a DISGRACE! So, Always Grumpy, there you have it and before you start screaming "low pay - benefit scrounger" I claim NOTHING. With my low pay plus a small pension and careful budgeting I manage to scrape by.[/p][/quote]Moaning and materialism is a sad trait. I feel very sorry for you. Why not try some voluntary work overseas. Spread your wings open you're eyes and all for next to nothing. It's clear you could benefit from this. Good luck and and send us all a postcard.[/p][/quote]Sorry but I'm TOO OLD - got it...TOO OLD. In any case, voluntary work? Please don't make me laugh. I WORK FULL TIME which often means I work from 9am until 8pm so don't have time. As for "spreading my wings", you write this drivel yet you know nothing about me. Well. How about this. For years I looked after my critically ill son. Long trips to hospitals not in Swindon for treatment. Thankfully, he's well now. Then, my husband took seriously ill and died a few years back. Yet, you have the audacity to tell me to "spread my wings, open my eyes". The best years of my life are gone and sorry, I can't turn the clock back - if I could I would never have come to this town but your post does illustrate one thing very graphically - just how selfish some people have become. Moth

6:25am Sun 29 Dec 13

Ringer says...

@Moth: there's a very good independent fishmonger on Wood Street, they've been open around 3 or 4 months now. It's called the Wood Street Food Hall and is a joint venture between butcher TH Burroughs and The Lobster Pot fishmongers from Hungerford. Excellent meat and fish in there.

Also, while I sympathise with your situation, it's hardly fair to blame anyone else for the fact you're too old to move elsewhere. That tends to be fairly unavoidable, for any of us.
@Moth: there's a very good independent fishmonger on Wood Street, they've been open around 3 or 4 months now. It's called the Wood Street Food Hall and is a joint venture between butcher TH Burroughs and The Lobster Pot fishmongers from Hungerford. Excellent meat and fish in there. Also, while I sympathise with your situation, it's hardly fair to blame anyone else for the fact you're too old to move elsewhere. That tends to be fairly unavoidable, for any of us. Ringer

9:58am Sun 29 Dec 13

Ellofolks says...

Moth wrote:
Ellofolks wrote:
Moth wrote:
Always Grumpy wrote:
Moth wrote:
Always Grumpy wrote:
Moth wrote:
Yet more houses? Why? What is there really to attract people to Swindon? There are no jobs, we have no real town centre -, just a mishmash of shops selling cheap tat, facilities are not good and what there is is expensive. Can't help but think whose pocket's been lined this time.
Yet you're here - why?
You moved away didn't you? As for I'm here - yes and if I could move elsewhere, I would.
No, I didn't move away, I've lived in Swindon all my life, other than when I went to University.
So, you would move away if you could? So what's stopping you - a job here perhaps or housing you can afford?
There are far worse places to live than Swindon, some of them fairly close, unless you have plenty of money.
If I had enough money I would leave. I have a job but it's low pay. I'm also not young now so wouldn't get a mortgage and getting a better paid job would be just as hard if not harder. What employers there are (mostly through agencies) want YOUNG staff, not OLDER staff like me with 40 years of experience, so much as I'd like to, I'm TRAPPED in Swindon. Even young people are having a hard time finding ANY job. I agree there are worse places to live but to see the mess respective councils, both Tory and Labour have made of this town is very sad.

Why do you think big business doesn't want to come here? The rent and rates charged by the council are astronomical. Take a good look at the Brunel Centre. How many shop units are lying empty? Go into town and have a good look at it - and take off the rose-tinted spectacles and see it as it really is - a town centre without a soul, tacky shops selling tacky products and let us not forget the abundance of pubs where drunks fall out of morning, noon and night.

What is there for entertainment for people over the age of 40 (and I'm being generous here). NOTHING. NADA. NOTHING. Everything is aimed at young people.

The town itself is unattractive. Dull, grey and drab. In the summer there are no flowers or hanging baskets anymore although there were some 18 years ago -. along came Labour and in their infinite wisdom decided that a hanging basket MIGHT fall on someone's head so the lovely hanging baskets all disappeared. Go to any other town and you'll see colourful flowers, in hanging baskets, box displays etc. everywhere.

Swindon has a LOT of potential but so far no council has done anything about it.

The development where the old college used to be, I believe is going to be a cinema complex. Oh wow! Really? Can people afford to go to the cinema these days?

A decent shopping mall would have been preferable with independent shops e.g. a fishmonger. As far as I'm aware, we haven't got one in Swindon since the fishmonger in Groundwell Road shut up shop a few years ago.

You really want to know what the biggest problem with Swindon is? I'll tell you. THE SELF-SERVING, POCKET LINING COUNCILLORS that "run" our council and have completely destroyed what was once a very promising town.

I hope there are councillors reading this because the whole lot of you are a DISGRACE!

So, Always Grumpy, there you have it and before you start screaming "low pay - benefit scrounger" I claim NOTHING. With my low pay plus a small pension and careful budgeting I manage to scrape by.
Moaning and materialism is a sad trait. I feel very sorry for you. Why not try some voluntary work overseas. Spread your wings open you're eyes and all for next to nothing. It's clear you could benefit from this. Good luck and and send us all a postcard.
Sorry but I'm TOO OLD - got it...TOO OLD. In any case, voluntary work? Please don't make me laugh. I WORK FULL TIME which often means I work from 9am until 8pm so don't have time.

As for "spreading my wings", you write this drivel yet you know nothing about me. Well. How about this. For years I looked after my critically ill son. Long trips to hospitals not in Swindon for treatment. Thankfully, he's well now. Then, my husband took seriously ill and died a few years back.

Yet, you have the audacity to tell me to "spread my wings, open my eyes".

The best years of my life are gone and sorry, I can't turn the clock back - if I could I would never have come to this town but your post does illustrate one thing very graphically - just how selfish some people have become.
We all have tough challenges. However giving up isn't a healthy option. A positive attitude would bring a new lease of life for you. Your as old as you feel and act!
Apply to sell the abbey houses once built. You have a knack for a chat.
[quote][p][bold]Moth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ellofolks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Moth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Always Grumpy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Moth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Always Grumpy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Moth[/bold] wrote: Yet more houses? Why? What is there really to attract people to Swindon? There are no jobs, we have no real town centre -, just a mishmash of shops selling cheap tat, facilities are not good and what there is is expensive. Can't help but think whose pocket's been lined this time.[/p][/quote]Yet you're here - why?[/p][/quote]You moved away didn't you? As for I'm here - yes and if I could move elsewhere, I would.[/p][/quote]No, I didn't move away, I've lived in Swindon all my life, other than when I went to University. So, you would move away if you could? So what's stopping you - a job here perhaps or housing you can afford? There are far worse places to live than Swindon, some of them fairly close, unless you have plenty of money.[/p][/quote]If I had enough money I would leave. I have a job but it's low pay. I'm also not young now so wouldn't get a mortgage and getting a better paid job would be just as hard if not harder. What employers there are (mostly through agencies) want YOUNG staff, not OLDER staff like me with 40 years of experience, so much as I'd like to, I'm TRAPPED in Swindon. Even young people are having a hard time finding ANY job. I agree there are worse places to live but to see the mess respective councils, both Tory and Labour have made of this town is very sad. Why do you think big business doesn't want to come here? The rent and rates charged by the council are astronomical. Take a good look at the Brunel Centre. How many shop units are lying empty? Go into town and have a good look at it - and take off the rose-tinted spectacles and see it as it really is - a town centre without a soul, tacky shops selling tacky products and let us not forget the abundance of pubs where drunks fall out of morning, noon and night. What is there for entertainment for people over the age of 40 (and I'm being generous here). NOTHING. NADA. NOTHING. Everything is aimed at young people. The town itself is unattractive. Dull, grey and drab. In the summer there are no flowers or hanging baskets anymore although there were some 18 years ago -. along came Labour and in their infinite wisdom decided that a hanging basket MIGHT fall on someone's head so the lovely hanging baskets all disappeared. Go to any other town and you'll see colourful flowers, in hanging baskets, box displays etc. everywhere. Swindon has a LOT of potential but so far no council has done anything about it. The development where the old college used to be, I believe is going to be a cinema complex. Oh wow! Really? Can people afford to go to the cinema these days? A decent shopping mall would have been preferable with independent shops e.g. a fishmonger. As far as I'm aware, we haven't got one in Swindon since the fishmonger in Groundwell Road shut up shop a few years ago. You really want to know what the biggest problem with Swindon is? I'll tell you. THE SELF-SERVING, POCKET LINING COUNCILLORS that "run" our council and have completely destroyed what was once a very promising town. I hope there are councillors reading this because the whole lot of you are a DISGRACE! So, Always Grumpy, there you have it and before you start screaming "low pay - benefit scrounger" I claim NOTHING. With my low pay plus a small pension and careful budgeting I manage to scrape by.[/p][/quote]Moaning and materialism is a sad trait. I feel very sorry for you. Why not try some voluntary work overseas. Spread your wings open you're eyes and all for next to nothing. It's clear you could benefit from this. Good luck and and send us all a postcard.[/p][/quote]Sorry but I'm TOO OLD - got it...TOO OLD. In any case, voluntary work? Please don't make me laugh. I WORK FULL TIME which often means I work from 9am until 8pm so don't have time. As for "spreading my wings", you write this drivel yet you know nothing about me. Well. How about this. For years I looked after my critically ill son. Long trips to hospitals not in Swindon for treatment. Thankfully, he's well now. Then, my husband took seriously ill and died a few years back. Yet, you have the audacity to tell me to "spread my wings, open my eyes". The best years of my life are gone and sorry, I can't turn the clock back - if I could I would never have come to this town but your post does illustrate one thing very graphically - just how selfish some people have become.[/p][/quote]We all have tough challenges. However giving up isn't a healthy option. A positive attitude would bring a new lease of life for you. Your as old as you feel and act! Apply to sell the abbey houses once built. You have a knack for a chat. Ellofolks

10:19am Mon 30 Dec 13

Empty Car Park says...

Well that was a great discussion about the possible future demise of Swindon Speedway.
The loss of more if Swindon's cultural heritage to housing developers.
Well that was a great discussion about the possible future demise of Swindon Speedway. The loss of more if Swindon's cultural heritage to housing developers. Empty Car Park

10:45am Mon 30 Dec 13

Ringer says...

Empty Car Park wrote:
Well that was a great discussion about the possible future demise of Swindon Speedway.
The loss of more if Swindon's cultural heritage to housing developers.
Only, that's not what's happening - is it?

Your inability to read is rather legendary but, please, at least TRY and comprehend things - or have someone explain them to you properly - before wading in with your usual nonsense.

'Sprawl, Coate not Commonhead, Swindon Borough Clownschool, heritage, blah, blah, blah'

All very predictable, all very boring, all very I Too Could Be / Empty Car Park / numerous other logins (mainly based around weak, unamusing 'puns').

When's your leaving do?
[quote][p][bold]Empty Car Park[/bold] wrote: Well that was a great discussion about the possible future demise of Swindon Speedway. The loss of more if Swindon's cultural heritage to housing developers.[/p][/quote]Only, that's not what's happening - is it? Your inability to read is rather legendary but, please, at least TRY and comprehend things - or have someone explain them to you properly - before wading in with your usual nonsense. 'Sprawl, Coate not Commonhead, Swindon Borough Clownschool, heritage, blah, blah, blah' All very predictable, all very boring, all very I Too Could Be / Empty Car Park / numerous other logins (mainly based around weak, unamusing 'puns'). When's your leaving do? Ringer

6:48pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Simples! says...

No mention of improving road infrastructure which already cannot cope with the volume of traffic! Traffic calming measures are a joke and just cause traffic to build up instead of flowing and buses on roads where they cannot safely pass cars....ridiculous.
No mention of improving road infrastructure which already cannot cope with the volume of traffic! Traffic calming measures are a joke and just cause traffic to build up instead of flowing and buses on roads where they cannot safely pass cars....ridiculous. Simples!

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