Driver tells of crash terror

This Is Wiltshire: The wreckage of Penny Smith’s Vauxhall after the accident near Junction 15 of the M4 yesterday The wreckage of Penny Smith’s Vauxhall after the accident near Junction 15 of the M4 yesterday

DRIVER Penny Smith has told of her fright after car car was rammed into a motorway roundabout at rush hour yesterday morning.

In one of two major crashes in Swindon yesterday, Penny was behind the wheel of her silver Vauxhall Astra on the entrance to the M4 Junction 15 roundabout, coming from the A419, southbound.

At approximately 8.10am a black Skoda Fabia collided with the rear of her car with such force the majority of her car was pushed into the roundabout and into the route of oncoming traffic.

No vehicles collided with Penny’s car on the roundabout, but she had to be cut free from her car by emergency services after complaining of neck pain.

“I was just stopped at the roundabout and the Skoda pushed me into the roundabout,” the 49-year-old, of Edale Moore, Liden, said. “I was nearly all the way in.

“It all happened so fast, I didn’t really know what was happening. One minute I was waiting to pull out and the next I was halfway across to the roundabout.

“The cars coming around slowed and went around me. There was a lorry driver behind, who stopped the traffic and helped me. He was absolutely fantastic. It’s a scary experience being cut out of your car, but the emergency services did everything to reassure me.

“I want to thank all of the services, the police, ambulance and fire service – they were amazing.”

This Is Wiltshire:

The wreckage of the milk float

In the early hours of yesterday a black Renault Clio was in collision with a milk float at Marston Farm in Broad Town.

The float, a 4x4 vehicle, was parked at the farm when it was struck at speed by the Clio. The Renault then ploughed through a fence and shed at the property as a result of the collision.

The female driver passed a breathalyser test and was taken to hospital with suspected minor injuries. No other people were involved.

The Renault was recovered from the scene, but the 4x4 is currently being dealt with by the owner, a resident at the farm.

Debris and oil scattered across the road was cleaned up by Swindon Council.

A Wiltshire Police spokesman said: “We were called just before 6.30am to a road traffic collision at Marston Farm near Broad Town.

“A Renault Clio collided with a stationary milk float and went through a fence and then into a shed.

“The female driver of the Clio was taken to hospital with suspected minor injuries.”

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7:02am Thu 9 Jan 14

Traditional says...

That's the problem, you were stopped at the roundabout. You do not need to stop only slow down! I use it every day during rush hour and so many people stop and then look.
That's the problem, you were stopped at the roundabout. You do not need to stop only slow down! I use it every day during rush hour and so many people stop and then look. Traditional
  • Score: -36

7:20am Thu 9 Jan 14

Blind Fury says...

Traditional wrote:
That's the problem, you were stopped at the roundabout. You do not need to stop only slow down! I use it every day during rush hour and so many people stop and then look.
Idiot drivers like you, who don't stop and look, cause more accidents!
Slow down, what's the rush?
Rear driver totally at fault, no sympathy.
[quote][p][bold]Traditional[/bold] wrote: That's the problem, you were stopped at the roundabout. You do not need to stop only slow down! I use it every day during rush hour and so many people stop and then look.[/p][/quote]Idiot drivers like you, who don't stop and look, cause more accidents! Slow down, what's the rush? Rear driver totally at fault, no sympathy. Blind Fury
  • Score: 28

7:46am Thu 9 Jan 14

The Jockster says...

Blind Fury wrote:
Traditional wrote:
That's the problem, you were stopped at the roundabout. You do not need to stop only slow down! I use it every day during rush hour and so many people stop and then look.
Idiot drivers like you, who don't stop and look, cause more accidents!
Slow down, what's the rush?
Rear driver totally at fault, no sympathy.
I can see both points - far too many people stop at a roundabout when there is absolutely no need - you only have to give way and proceed with caution. However at major junctions like M4/J15 there is simply no choice but to stop in a queue due to the sheer volume of traffic either approaching the roundabout or already on it.
[quote][p][bold]Blind Fury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Traditional[/bold] wrote: That's the problem, you were stopped at the roundabout. You do not need to stop only slow down! I use it every day during rush hour and so many people stop and then look.[/p][/quote]Idiot drivers like you, who don't stop and look, cause more accidents! Slow down, what's the rush? Rear driver totally at fault, no sympathy.[/p][/quote]I can see both points - far too many people stop at a roundabout when there is absolutely no need - you only have to give way and proceed with caution. However at major junctions like M4/J15 there is simply no choice but to stop in a queue due to the sheer volume of traffic either approaching the roundabout or already on it. The Jockster
  • Score: 11

8:39am Thu 9 Jan 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

Traditional wrote:
That's the problem, you were stopped at the roundabout. You do not need to stop only slow down! I use it every day during rush hour and so many people stop and then look.
Unless of course there are vehicles with the right of way on the roundabout. WIthout knowing that you may yourself look very foolish.
[quote][p][bold]Traditional[/bold] wrote: That's the problem, you were stopped at the roundabout. You do not need to stop only slow down! I use it every day during rush hour and so many people stop and then look.[/p][/quote]Unless of course there are vehicles with the right of way on the roundabout. WIthout knowing that you may yourself look very foolish. LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: 6

9:35am Thu 9 Jan 14

swindondad says...

This (and most other roundabouts) is clearly marked as "Give Way" so drivers should slow down and be prepared to stop whilst looking to see if it is clear to enter as they approach and come to a stop only if the road is not clear.

Stopping when there is no need or reason to do so is as dangerous as pulling out without checking both can and do cause accidents.

BTW the emergency stop without good cause is a favorite trick of insurance fraudsters (whip lash) so if you are following another vehicle at a junction expect the unexpected. I am not suggesting that this is what happened in this case just passing on some advice.
This (and most other roundabouts) is clearly marked as "Give Way" so drivers should slow down and be prepared to stop whilst looking to see if it is clear to enter as they approach and come to a stop only if the road is not clear. Stopping when there is no need or reason to do so is as dangerous as pulling out without checking both can and do cause accidents. BTW the emergency stop without good cause is a favorite trick of insurance fraudsters (whip lash) so if you are following another vehicle at a junction expect the unexpected. I am not suggesting that this is what happened in this case just passing on some advice. swindondad
  • Score: 9

10:03am Thu 9 Jan 14

cjones03824 says...

Traditional wrote:
That's the problem, you were stopped at the roundabout. You do not need to stop only slow down! I use it every day during rush hour and so many people stop and then look.
If you drive this way at this time every morning you will know full well that the volume of traffic means there is no choice but to stop. Idiot drivers like you are the kind of people who cause more accidents than anyone! and had the driver behind be "slowing down to stop" this accident would have likely never have happened.

Maybe they should make drivers like yourself re-take their test as I was taught 7 years ago to slow down and stop at a roundabout where there was oncoming traffic.....!
[quote][p][bold]Traditional[/bold] wrote: That's the problem, you were stopped at the roundabout. You do not need to stop only slow down! I use it every day during rush hour and so many people stop and then look.[/p][/quote]If you drive this way at this time every morning you will know full well that the volume of traffic means there is no choice but to stop. Idiot drivers like you are the kind of people who cause more accidents than anyone! and had the driver behind be "slowing down to stop" this accident would have likely never have happened. Maybe they should make drivers like yourself re-take their test as I was taught 7 years ago to slow down and stop at a roundabout where there was oncoming traffic.....! cjones03824
  • Score: 6

10:06am Thu 9 Jan 14

Davey Gravey says...

We only have the ladies version of events and none of us know what actually happened so its silly to make a judgement.
She could have changed lanes quickly, slammed on her brakes, or be completely blameless. Who knows?
We only have the ladies version of events and none of us know what actually happened so its silly to make a judgement. She could have changed lanes quickly, slammed on her brakes, or be completely blameless. Who knows? Davey Gravey
  • Score: 1

10:21am Thu 9 Jan 14

PaulD says...

Advice I got from a driving safety course a few years back - if you are stopped at a junction or in a queue of traffic and you are the last car in the queue, then keep your footbrake on whether you need it or not so that your brake lights display. to drivers coming up behind you.

It's not a magic shield but it may alert the half-asleep driver behind you to the stopped traffic earlier than otherwise,
Advice I got from a driving safety course a few years back - if you are stopped at a junction or in a queue of traffic and you are the last car in the queue, then keep your footbrake on whether you need it or not so that your brake lights display. to drivers coming up behind you. It's not a magic shield but it may alert the half-asleep driver behind you to the stopped traffic earlier than otherwise, PaulD
  • Score: 14

11:43am Thu 9 Jan 14

PJC says...

Well, if you get rear-ended, it's the fault of the person behind you, whatever, as if they are driving with due care and attention, they would be able to stop in time, or at least take evasive action.
Well, if you get rear-ended, it's the fault of the person behind you, whatever, as if they are driving with due care and attention, they would be able to stop in time, or at least take evasive action. PJC
  • Score: 3

11:52am Thu 9 Jan 14

swindondad says...

PJC wrote:
Well, if you get rear-ended, it's the fault of the person behind you, whatever, as if they are driving with due care and attention, they would be able to stop in time, or at least take evasive action.
Not necessarily true.

What about dangerous emerging, un-signaled lane changes or deliberate "air bagging". Cases need to be investigated and judged on their merits. One size fits all mass generalizations are neither just nor justified.
[quote][p][bold]PJC[/bold] wrote: Well, if you get rear-ended, it's the fault of the person behind you, whatever, as if they are driving with due care and attention, they would be able to stop in time, or at least take evasive action.[/p][/quote]Not necessarily true. What about dangerous emerging, un-signaled lane changes or deliberate "air bagging". Cases need to be investigated and judged on their merits. One size fits all mass generalizations are neither just nor justified. swindondad
  • Score: 0

12:03pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Redhouse Red says...

She was probably stopped at the red traffic light Einstein, and it was the following that to slow down.
She was probably stopped at the red traffic light Einstein, and it was the following that to slow down. Redhouse Red
  • Score: -12

12:08pm Thu 9 Jan 14

PJC says...

swindondad wrote:
PJC wrote:
Well, if you get rear-ended, it's the fault of the person behind you, whatever, as if they are driving with due care and attention, they would be able to stop in time, or at least take evasive action.
Not necessarily true.

What about dangerous emerging, un-signaled lane changes or deliberate "air bagging". Cases need to be investigated and judged on their merits. One size fits all mass generalizations are neither just nor justified.
If you're paying attention, most of those things are still avoidable...
[quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PJC[/bold] wrote: Well, if you get rear-ended, it's the fault of the person behind you, whatever, as if they are driving with due care and attention, they would be able to stop in time, or at least take evasive action.[/p][/quote]Not necessarily true. What about dangerous emerging, un-signaled lane changes or deliberate "air bagging". Cases need to be investigated and judged on their merits. One size fits all mass generalizations are neither just nor justified.[/p][/quote]If you're paying attention, most of those things are still avoidable... PJC
  • Score: -5

12:19pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Davey Gravey says...

swindondad wrote:
PJC wrote:
Well, if you get rear-ended, it's the fault of the person behind you, whatever, as if they are driving with due care and attention, they would be able to stop in time, or at least take evasive action.
Not necessarily true.

What about dangerous emerging, un-signaled lane changes or deliberate "air bagging". Cases need to be investigated and judged on their merits. One size fits all mass generalizations are neither just nor justified.
Spot on. Rear end crashes are not cut a dried anymore and are not treated as such.
[quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PJC[/bold] wrote: Well, if you get rear-ended, it's the fault of the person behind you, whatever, as if they are driving with due care and attention, they would be able to stop in time, or at least take evasive action.[/p][/quote]Not necessarily true. What about dangerous emerging, un-signaled lane changes or deliberate "air bagging". Cases need to be investigated and judged on their merits. One size fits all mass generalizations are neither just nor justified.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Rear end crashes are not cut a dried anymore and are not treated as such. Davey Gravey
  • Score: 6

12:27pm Thu 9 Jan 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

I love it when people try to insult others by calling them "Einstein", while making a complete fool of themselves by calling someone out by stating a completely incorrect statement. There are no traffic lights on that bit of road where the accident occurred to be stopped at.

If you moderate your speed, adequately look ahead and leave enough space around you to give yourself time to react it is perfectly possible to negotiate that roundabout junction without stopping, even at the busiest times.

Further advice from my driving instructor was to always assume that everyone else is going to do something stupid and give yourself adequate time and room to react to things happening around you. Do not follow so closely behind other cars that you do not have time to react, and if someone is following closely behind you, slow down and leave a bigger gap in front of you so you do not need to brake harshly. The road is not a race track and you won't get to your destination any quicker by driving 3 inches from the vehicle in front.

I nearly rear ended someone on that very roundabout a few months back - there was a queue, she raced up the outside lane and then cut in front of me at the last minute. She then realised she was going too fast, overcompensated with her braking and slammed on the anchors in front of me. I had to brake heavily to avoid hitting her. If I had not given myself time to react I would have driven straight into her. There's two sides to every story.

Useful advice given above about being stopped and leaving your brake lights on, given the distance the astra allegedly travelled and the lack of tyre marks on the road I'd suggest it probably didn't have brakes applied while stopped.

For the accident in the story it does rather look like it's been exaggerated. I appreciate it was not nice for any of those involved, accidents never are, but from the damage to the cars it doesn't look to be that serious to me.
I love it when people try to insult others by calling them "Einstein", while making a complete fool of themselves by calling someone out by stating a completely incorrect statement. There are no traffic lights on that bit of road where the accident occurred to be stopped at. If you moderate your speed, adequately look ahead and leave enough space around you to give yourself time to react it is perfectly possible to negotiate that roundabout junction without stopping, even at the busiest times. Further advice from my driving instructor was to always assume that everyone else is going to do something stupid and give yourself adequate time and room to react to things happening around you. Do not follow so closely behind other cars that you do not have time to react, and if someone is following closely behind you, slow down and leave a bigger gap in front of you so you do not need to brake harshly. The road is not a race track and you won't get to your destination any quicker by driving 3 inches from the vehicle in front. I nearly rear ended someone on that very roundabout a few months back - there was a queue, she raced up the outside lane and then cut in front of me at the last minute. She then realised she was going too fast, overcompensated with her braking and slammed on the anchors in front of me. I had to brake heavily to avoid hitting her. If I had not given myself time to react I would have driven straight into her. There's two sides to every story. Useful advice given above about being stopped and leaving your brake lights on, given the distance the astra allegedly travelled and the lack of tyre marks on the road I'd suggest it probably didn't have brakes applied while stopped. For the accident in the story it does rather look like it's been exaggerated. I appreciate it was not nice for any of those involved, accidents never are, but from the damage to the cars it doesn't look to be that serious to me. The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: 11

12:46pm Thu 9 Jan 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

One addition - that junction has a *big* problem with people turning left onto the M4 from the right hand lane while the person in the left lane is going straight on - seen many near accidents due to that too.
One addition - that junction has a *big* problem with people turning left onto the M4 from the right hand lane while the person in the left lane is going straight on - seen many near accidents due to that too. The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: 8

1:17pm Thu 9 Jan 14

house on the hill says...

PJC wrote:
Well, if you get rear-ended, it's the fault of the person behind you, whatever, as if they are driving with due care and attention, they would be able to stop in time, or at least take evasive action.
Absolutely agree, it is 100% the fault of the driver behind in those sort of incidents.
[quote][p][bold]PJC[/bold] wrote: Well, if you get rear-ended, it's the fault of the person behind you, whatever, as if they are driving with due care and attention, they would be able to stop in time, or at least take evasive action.[/p][/quote]Absolutely agree, it is 100% the fault of the driver behind in those sort of incidents. house on the hill
  • Score: -5

2:03pm Thu 9 Jan 14

The Jockster says...

PaulD wrote:
Advice I got from a driving safety course a few years back - if you are stopped at a junction or in a queue of traffic and you are the last car in the queue, then keep your footbrake on whether you need it or not so that your brake lights display. to drivers coming up behind you.

It's not a magic shield but it may alert the half-asleep driver behind you to the stopped traffic earlier than otherwise,
Or put your hazards on?
[quote][p][bold]PaulD[/bold] wrote: Advice I got from a driving safety course a few years back - if you are stopped at a junction or in a queue of traffic and you are the last car in the queue, then keep your footbrake on whether you need it or not so that your brake lights display. to drivers coming up behind you. It's not a magic shield but it may alert the half-asleep driver behind you to the stopped traffic earlier than otherwise,[/p][/quote]Or put your hazards on? The Jockster
  • Score: -13

3:08pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Davey Gravey says...

The Jockster wrote:
PaulD wrote:
Advice I got from a driving safety course a few years back - if you are stopped at a junction or in a queue of traffic and you are the last car in the queue, then keep your footbrake on whether you need it or not so that your brake lights display. to drivers coming up behind you.

It's not a magic shield but it may alert the half-asleep driver behind you to the stopped traffic earlier than otherwise,
Or put your hazards on?
When waiting at a roundabout or traffic lights? Don't think so!
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulD[/bold] wrote: Advice I got from a driving safety course a few years back - if you are stopped at a junction or in a queue of traffic and you are the last car in the queue, then keep your footbrake on whether you need it or not so that your brake lights display. to drivers coming up behind you. It's not a magic shield but it may alert the half-asleep driver behind you to the stopped traffic earlier than otherwise,[/p][/quote]Or put your hazards on?[/p][/quote]When waiting at a roundabout or traffic lights? Don't think so! Davey Gravey
  • Score: 11

3:32pm Thu 9 Jan 14

swindondad says...

house on the hill wrote:
PJC wrote: Well, if you get rear-ended, it's the fault of the person behind you, whatever, as if they are driving with due care and attention, they would be able to stop in time, or at least take evasive action.
Absolutely agree, it is 100% the fault of the driver behind in those sort of incidents.
So if someone overtakes you, cuts in 6 inches in front of your bumper and then jumps on their brakes its your fault when you hit them.
I do not think so.

As I said investigate each case and judge them on merit.

Blanket assumptions are 100% foolish.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PJC[/bold] wrote: Well, if you get rear-ended, it's the fault of the person behind you, whatever, as if they are driving with due care and attention, they would be able to stop in time, or at least take evasive action.[/p][/quote]Absolutely agree, it is 100% the fault of the driver behind in those sort of incidents.[/p][/quote]So if someone overtakes you, cuts in 6 inches in front of your bumper and then jumps on their brakes its your fault when you hit them. I do not think so. As I said investigate each case and judge them on merit. Blanket assumptions are 100% foolish. swindondad
  • Score: 4

5:04pm Thu 9 Jan 14

mrstidds says...

I know Penny, and she was completely innocent in this accident. It was the driver behind's fault for failing to see that she had stopped, so stop blaming her for what is not her fault!
I know Penny, and she was completely innocent in this accident. It was the driver behind's fault for failing to see that she had stopped, so stop blaming her for what is not her fault! mrstidds
  • Score: 3

5:48pm Thu 9 Jan 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
I love it when people try to insult others by calling them "Einstein", while making a complete fool of themselves by calling someone out by stating a completely incorrect statement. There are no traffic lights on that bit of road where the accident occurred to be stopped at.

If you moderate your speed, adequately look ahead and leave enough space around you to give yourself time to react it is perfectly possible to negotiate that roundabout junction without stopping, even at the busiest times.

Further advice from my driving instructor was to always assume that everyone else is going to do something stupid and give yourself adequate time and room to react to things happening around you. Do not follow so closely behind other cars that you do not have time to react, and if someone is following closely behind you, slow down and leave a bigger gap in front of you so you do not need to brake harshly. The road is not a race track and you won't get to your destination any quicker by driving 3 inches from the vehicle in front.

I nearly rear ended someone on that very roundabout a few months back - there was a queue, she raced up the outside lane and then cut in front of me at the last minute. She then realised she was going too fast, overcompensated with her braking and slammed on the anchors in front of me. I had to brake heavily to avoid hitting her. If I had not given myself time to react I would have driven straight into her. There's two sides to every story.

Useful advice given above about being stopped and leaving your brake lights on, given the distance the astra allegedly travelled and the lack of tyre marks on the road I'd suggest it probably didn't have brakes applied while stopped.

For the accident in the story it does rather look like it's been exaggerated. I appreciate it was not nice for any of those involved, accidents never are, but from the damage to the cars it doesn't look to be that serious to me.
I agree with you up until you talk about the exaggeration of the incident. According to the article she did need to be cut free from the vehicle.....!
[quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: I love it when people try to insult others by calling them "Einstein", while making a complete fool of themselves by calling someone out by stating a completely incorrect statement. There are no traffic lights on that bit of road where the accident occurred to be stopped at. If you moderate your speed, adequately look ahead and leave enough space around you to give yourself time to react it is perfectly possible to negotiate that roundabout junction without stopping, even at the busiest times. Further advice from my driving instructor was to always assume that everyone else is going to do something stupid and give yourself adequate time and room to react to things happening around you. Do not follow so closely behind other cars that you do not have time to react, and if someone is following closely behind you, slow down and leave a bigger gap in front of you so you do not need to brake harshly. The road is not a race track and you won't get to your destination any quicker by driving 3 inches from the vehicle in front. I nearly rear ended someone on that very roundabout a few months back - there was a queue, she raced up the outside lane and then cut in front of me at the last minute. She then realised she was going too fast, overcompensated with her braking and slammed on the anchors in front of me. I had to brake heavily to avoid hitting her. If I had not given myself time to react I would have driven straight into her. There's two sides to every story. Useful advice given above about being stopped and leaving your brake lights on, given the distance the astra allegedly travelled and the lack of tyre marks on the road I'd suggest it probably didn't have brakes applied while stopped. For the accident in the story it does rather look like it's been exaggerated. I appreciate it was not nice for any of those involved, accidents never are, but from the damage to the cars it doesn't look to be that serious to me.[/p][/quote]I agree with you up until you talk about the exaggeration of the incident. According to the article she did need to be cut free from the vehicle.....! LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: 0

10:05pm Thu 9 Jan 14

semitonic says...

mrstidds wrote:
I know Penny, and she was completely innocent in this accident. It was the driver behind's fault for failing to see that she had stopped, so stop blaming her for what is not her fault!
You're very likely right, the driver behind probably looked to the right and thought "Its ok, there's nothing coming.." but Penny stopped anyway, for the imaginary vehicle that was never there.

Women always do this, it's one of life's great mysteries as to why.
[quote][p][bold]mrstidds[/bold] wrote: I know Penny, and she was completely innocent in this accident. It was the driver behind's fault for failing to see that she had stopped, so stop blaming her for what is not her fault![/p][/quote]You're very likely right, the driver behind probably looked to the right and thought "Its ok, there's nothing coming.." but Penny stopped anyway, for the imaginary vehicle that was never there. Women always do this, it's one of life's great mysteries as to why. semitonic
  • Score: -5

9:46am Fri 10 Jan 14

cjones03824 says...

semitonic wrote:
mrstidds wrote:
I know Penny, and she was completely innocent in this accident. It was the driver behind's fault for failing to see that she had stopped, so stop blaming her for what is not her fault!
You're very likely right, the driver behind probably looked to the right and thought "Its ok, there's nothing coming.." but Penny stopped anyway, for the imaginary vehicle that was never there.

Women always do this, it's one of life's great mysteries as to why.
how do you know this, were you there? I doubt it! this junction at 8.30am is extremely busy and with the odd exception you almost always have to come to a full halt because of on coming traffic. it is people like yourself and the Skoda driver who do not feel the need to slowdown and stop at this time in the morning that cause these kind of accidents!
[quote][p][bold]semitonic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrstidds[/bold] wrote: I know Penny, and she was completely innocent in this accident. It was the driver behind's fault for failing to see that she had stopped, so stop blaming her for what is not her fault![/p][/quote]You're very likely right, the driver behind probably looked to the right and thought "Its ok, there's nothing coming.." but Penny stopped anyway, for the imaginary vehicle that was never there. Women always do this, it's one of life's great mysteries as to why.[/p][/quote]how do you know this, were you there? I doubt it! this junction at 8.30am is extremely busy and with the odd exception you almost always have to come to a full halt because of on coming traffic. it is people like yourself and the Skoda driver who do not feel the need to slowdown and stop at this time in the morning that cause these kind of accidents! cjones03824
  • Score: 1

10:23am Fri 10 Jan 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
I love it when people try to insult others by calling them "Einstein", while making a complete fool of themselves by calling someone out by stating a completely incorrect statement. There are no traffic lights on that bit of road where the accident occurred to be stopped at.

If you moderate your speed, adequately look ahead and leave enough space around you to give yourself time to react it is perfectly possible to negotiate that roundabout junction without stopping, even at the busiest times.

Further advice from my driving instructor was to always assume that everyone else is going to do something stupid and give yourself adequate time and room to react to things happening around you. Do not follow so closely behind other cars that you do not have time to react, and if someone is following closely behind you, slow down and leave a bigger gap in front of you so you do not need to brake harshly. The road is not a race track and you won't get to your destination any quicker by driving 3 inches from the vehicle in front.

I nearly rear ended someone on that very roundabout a few months back - there was a queue, she raced up the outside lane and then cut in front of me at the last minute. She then realised she was going too fast, overcompensated with her braking and slammed on the anchors in front of me. I had to brake heavily to avoid hitting her. If I had not given myself time to react I would have driven straight into her. There's two sides to every story.

Useful advice given above about being stopped and leaving your brake lights on, given the distance the astra allegedly travelled and the lack of tyre marks on the road I'd suggest it probably didn't have brakes applied while stopped.

For the accident in the story it does rather look like it's been exaggerated. I appreciate it was not nice for any of those involved, accidents never are, but from the damage to the cars it doesn't look to be that serious to me.
I agree with you up until you talk about the exaggeration of the incident. According to the article she did need to be cut free from the vehicle.....!
Standard practice I presume - she complained of neck pain and so they cut the roof off to get her out. Doesn't mean it was a particularly heavy accident.

If she wasn't looking straight ahead at the point of impact (you'd assume she was looking right to see if anything was coming), it's very easy to jar your neck in a relatively minor incident.
[quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: I love it when people try to insult others by calling them "Einstein", while making a complete fool of themselves by calling someone out by stating a completely incorrect statement. There are no traffic lights on that bit of road where the accident occurred to be stopped at. If you moderate your speed, adequately look ahead and leave enough space around you to give yourself time to react it is perfectly possible to negotiate that roundabout junction without stopping, even at the busiest times. Further advice from my driving instructor was to always assume that everyone else is going to do something stupid and give yourself adequate time and room to react to things happening around you. Do not follow so closely behind other cars that you do not have time to react, and if someone is following closely behind you, slow down and leave a bigger gap in front of you so you do not need to brake harshly. The road is not a race track and you won't get to your destination any quicker by driving 3 inches from the vehicle in front. I nearly rear ended someone on that very roundabout a few months back - there was a queue, she raced up the outside lane and then cut in front of me at the last minute. She then realised she was going too fast, overcompensated with her braking and slammed on the anchors in front of me. I had to brake heavily to avoid hitting her. If I had not given myself time to react I would have driven straight into her. There's two sides to every story. Useful advice given above about being stopped and leaving your brake lights on, given the distance the astra allegedly travelled and the lack of tyre marks on the road I'd suggest it probably didn't have brakes applied while stopped. For the accident in the story it does rather look like it's been exaggerated. I appreciate it was not nice for any of those involved, accidents never are, but from the damage to the cars it doesn't look to be that serious to me.[/p][/quote]I agree with you up until you talk about the exaggeration of the incident. According to the article she did need to be cut free from the vehicle.....![/p][/quote]Standard practice I presume - she complained of neck pain and so they cut the roof off to get her out. Doesn't mean it was a particularly heavy accident. If she wasn't looking straight ahead at the point of impact (you'd assume she was looking right to see if anything was coming), it's very easy to jar your neck in a relatively minor incident. The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
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1:41pm Fri 10 Jan 14

swindondad says...

LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote: I love it when people try to insult others by calling them "Einstein", while making a complete fool of themselves by calling someone out by stating a completely incorrect statement. There are no traffic lights on that bit of road where the accident occurred to be stopped at. If you moderate your speed, adequately look ahead and leave enough space around you to give yourself time to react it is perfectly possible to negotiate that roundabout junction without stopping, even at the busiest times. Further advice from my driving instructor was to always assume that everyone else is going to do something stupid and give yourself adequate time and room to react to things happening around you. Do not follow so closely behind other cars that you do not have time to react, and if someone is following closely behind you, slow down and leave a bigger gap in front of you so you do not need to brake harshly. The road is not a race track and you won't get to your destination any quicker by driving 3 inches from the vehicle in front. I nearly rear ended someone on that very roundabout a few months back - there was a queue, she raced up the outside lane and then cut in front of me at the last minute. She then realised she was going too fast, overcompensated with her braking and slammed on the anchors in front of me. I had to brake heavily to avoid hitting her. If I had not given myself time to react I would have driven straight into her. There's two sides to every story. Useful advice given above about being stopped and leaving your brake lights on, given the distance the astra allegedly travelled and the lack of tyre marks on the road I'd suggest it probably didn't have brakes applied while stopped. For the accident in the story it does rather look like it's been exaggerated. I appreciate it was not nice for any of those involved, accidents never are, but from the damage to the cars it doesn't look to be that serious to me.
I agree with you up until you talk about the exaggeration of the incident. According to the article she did need to be cut free from the vehicle.....!
The ONLY thing that needs to happen for someone to be cut from a vehicle is for them to even hint that they have some back / neck pain.

The emergency services do not take any chances when it comes to treating potential spinal injuries. I have seen a car roof cut off to get a passenger out after a 15 - 20 mph bump.
[quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: I love it when people try to insult others by calling them "Einstein", while making a complete fool of themselves by calling someone out by stating a completely incorrect statement. There are no traffic lights on that bit of road where the accident occurred to be stopped at. If you moderate your speed, adequately look ahead and leave enough space around you to give yourself time to react it is perfectly possible to negotiate that roundabout junction without stopping, even at the busiest times. Further advice from my driving instructor was to always assume that everyone else is going to do something stupid and give yourself adequate time and room to react to things happening around you. Do not follow so closely behind other cars that you do not have time to react, and if someone is following closely behind you, slow down and leave a bigger gap in front of you so you do not need to brake harshly. The road is not a race track and you won't get to your destination any quicker by driving 3 inches from the vehicle in front. I nearly rear ended someone on that very roundabout a few months back - there was a queue, she raced up the outside lane and then cut in front of me at the last minute. She then realised she was going too fast, overcompensated with her braking and slammed on the anchors in front of me. I had to brake heavily to avoid hitting her. If I had not given myself time to react I would have driven straight into her. There's two sides to every story. Useful advice given above about being stopped and leaving your brake lights on, given the distance the astra allegedly travelled and the lack of tyre marks on the road I'd suggest it probably didn't have brakes applied while stopped. For the accident in the story it does rather look like it's been exaggerated. I appreciate it was not nice for any of those involved, accidents never are, but from the damage to the cars it doesn't look to be that serious to me.[/p][/quote]I agree with you up until you talk about the exaggeration of the incident. According to the article she did need to be cut free from the vehicle.....![/p][/quote]The ONLY thing that needs to happen for someone to be cut from a vehicle is for them to even hint that they have some back / neck pain. The emergency services do not take any chances when it comes to treating potential spinal injuries. I have seen a car roof cut off to get a passenger out after a 15 - 20 mph bump. swindondad
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6:37pm Mon 13 Jan 14

MR. MASS says...

well i dunno how some clown hit a parked car near broad town - unless bint was speeding like people do along that road (i stick to 40 as its also a **** surface on that road and think 60 is too much for that road) but i have to say the other day i came out of broad town on a blind s bend two **** on cycles came flying out into the road THEN stopped in the middle after i swerved and then looked. dicks. which is why i go slow in areas like that. regardless of mister important bmw sitting up my arse and overaking ridiculously prior to that.
well i dunno how some clown hit a parked car near broad town - unless bint was speeding like people do along that road (i stick to 40 as its also a **** surface on that road and think 60 is too much for that road) but i have to say the other day i came out of broad town on a blind s bend two **** on cycles came flying out into the road THEN stopped in the middle after i swerved and then looked. dicks. which is why i go slow in areas like that. regardless of mister important bmw sitting up my arse and overaking ridiculously prior to that. MR. MASS
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