Lydiard sell-off rumours spark Twitter row

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A ROW has erupted on Twitter between rival councillors over the future of Lydiard House and Park amid Labour party claims the Tory administration were looking to sell the historic site off.

Leaflets, distributed by Labour, have begun to circulate in West Swindon, warning of the imminent sale of Lydiard House and Park under a Conservative-controlled council.

The news filtered through to the social media platform shortly after 6pm on Sunday evening, when Coun Dickinson (Con, Lydiard & Freshbrook) posted: “Labour are putting a leaflet out saying there are plans to sell off @LydiardPark, not a @TorySwindon plan, so can only be theirs.”

There ensued a lively debate between Coun Dickinson, Coun Jim Robbins (Lab, Mannington & Western) and Coun Dale Heenan (Covingham & Dorcan), over the truth in these leaflets.

Speaking yesterday, Coun Dickinson said the claims were simply a product of electioneering and low politics.

“They are claiming there’s a plan to dispose of Lydiard Park, which there definitely isn’t,” he said. “They’re worried about next year’s election and are resorting to scaremongering.

“I spoke to the leader of the council (Coun David Renard) on Sunday night and he said he had no idea about this. It’s pure low politics.

“They are simply making up stories of their own. It’s purely electioneering. We have reassured the residents of Grange Park, Lydiard and Freshbrook there are no plans to get rid of the park.”

Yesterday, Steph Exell, Labour party member, and Coun Cindy Matthews (Lab, Lydiard & Freshbrook), spoke out in defence of the leaflets their party had distributed.

“The Conservative administration has not been very open about their plans to offload their leisure and cultural services,” said Coun Matthews.

“They have talked about the Leisure and Culture Change Programme rather than calling it an asset disposal programme, but those who have been following this will see that disposal is what it is. They are in the process of completing the handover of the Arts Centre to the Wyvern Theatre to run.

“They are currently out to tender for private organisations to take over the running of all the council's leisure facilities, including the golf courses, whilst at the same time consulting over the future of these services.

“If Labour’s defence of Lydiard House and Country Park leads to the Conservatives changing their mind about its future, then Labour will be delighted that this asset will not be stripped from the residents of Swindon like others already have been.”

Steph said: “Labour is making residents aware of the Conservative Leisure and Culture Change Programme document, published in April 2013, which identifies the cabinet’s decision to explore and identify further commercial and/or charitable opportunities at the Platform, Lydiard House and Park, Coate Water Country Park, Stanton Park and STEAM.

“This document is publicly available on the council’s website.

“So, are out-of-touch Conser-vatives not only out-of-touch with the people but with what is on their council’s website and their own cabinet’s decisions?”

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7:31am Tue 25 Feb 14

GalaxyMan says...

Labour, stooping to low politics? As if they would.
Labour, stooping to low politics? As if they would. GalaxyMan
  • Score: 18

8:12am Tue 25 Feb 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

In the current state, this park is costing the whole community of Swindon a lot of money whilst providing a nice setting for a very minute number of locals living nearby.
For the benefit of all, it would be fairer to sell this Park to private owners.
In the current state, this park is costing the whole community of Swindon a lot of money whilst providing a nice setting for a very minute number of locals living nearby. For the benefit of all, it would be fairer to sell this Park to private owners. A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: -41

8:30am Tue 25 Feb 14

house on the hill says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
In the current state, this park is costing the whole community of Swindon a lot of money whilst providing a nice setting for a very minute number of locals living nearby.
For the benefit of all, it would be fairer to sell this Park to private owners.
With such extreme views as you seem to have (it was selling off the NHS yesterday), I wonder why you have chosen to live in this country where so few share your views. Taking politics out of it, this should be kept for the people of Swindon, but they have to show they want it too.
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: In the current state, this park is costing the whole community of Swindon a lot of money whilst providing a nice setting for a very minute number of locals living nearby. For the benefit of all, it would be fairer to sell this Park to private owners.[/p][/quote]With such extreme views as you seem to have (it was selling off the NHS yesterday), I wonder why you have chosen to live in this country where so few share your views. Taking politics out of it, this should be kept for the people of Swindon, but they have to show they want it too. house on the hill
  • Score: 22

8:34am Tue 25 Feb 14

stratton man says...

Typical of the Tories to deny something they know to be unpopular in an area with marginal wards.They will sell Lydiard Park after the May local elections.They swore they would not sell Headlands playing fields in Stratton but did.dont believe a word they say.
Typical of the Tories to deny something they know to be unpopular in an area with marginal wards.They will sell Lydiard Park after the May local elections.They swore they would not sell Headlands playing fields in Stratton but did.dont believe a word they say. stratton man
  • Score: 2

8:46am Tue 25 Feb 14

StillPav says...

“If Labour’s defence of Lydiard House and Country Park leads to the Conservatives changing their mind about its future, then Labour will be delighted that this asset will not be stripped from the residents of Swindon like others already have been.”

This is a slight over exaggeration. Assets (or as they should be called, liabilities) are not being "stripped from the residents", they are simply being run by private companies. These private companies are making significant investments (see plans for the Oasis) whereas they were maintained on a shoe string by the council.
“If Labour’s defence of Lydiard House and Country Park leads to the Conservatives changing their mind about its future, then Labour will be delighted that this asset will not be stripped from the residents of Swindon like others already have been.” This is a slight over exaggeration. Assets (or as they should be called, liabilities) are not being "stripped from the residents", they are simply being run by private companies. These private companies are making significant investments (see plans for the Oasis) whereas they were maintained on a shoe string by the council. StillPav
  • Score: 4

9:02am Tue 25 Feb 14

Hmmmf says...

A Labour Party Member said:
Labour is making residents aware of the Conservative Leisure and Culture Change Programme document, published in April 2013

It's such a burning issue for Labour it only took the best part of a year to 'make residents aware'. Yeah, right-oh.
[quote][p][bold]A Labour Party Member[/bold] said: Labour is making residents aware of the Conservative Leisure and Culture Change Programme document, published in April 2013[/quote] It's such a burning issue for Labour it only took the best part of a year to 'make residents aware'. Yeah, right-oh. Hmmmf
  • Score: 4

9:27am Tue 25 Feb 14

Oldswindonian says...

As I understand it, Lydiard Park makes a huge loss each year which has to be covered by the local taxpayer. The same applies I believe to the Steam museum. It would therefore not surprise me in the least if there were investigations into the possibility of a sell off, and why not provided that they were run in the spirit for which they were intended?
As I understand it, Lydiard Park makes a huge loss each year which has to be covered by the local taxpayer. The same applies I believe to the Steam museum. It would therefore not surprise me in the least if there were investigations into the possibility of a sell off, and why not provided that they were run in the spirit for which they were intended? Oldswindonian
  • Score: 9

9:40am Tue 25 Feb 14

Morsey says...

Unbelievable ... the Tory Council NEWCOMERS to Swindon just don't have a clue about public assets do they? Instead of lobbying their Government for more financial help to the town, when other towns do appear to receive extra funding, they continue to dispose of everything that every man and woman in the town during the better years has paid towards!

Shocking ... none of them seem to have a clue ... we have nothing left to sell ... what's next, gas chamber for the elderly and sick?
Unbelievable ... the Tory Council NEWCOMERS to Swindon just don't have a clue about public assets do they? Instead of lobbying their Government for more financial help to the town, when other towns do appear to receive extra funding, they continue to dispose of everything that every man and woman in the town during the better years has paid towards! Shocking ... none of them seem to have a clue ... we have nothing left to sell ... what's next, gas chamber for the elderly and sick? Morsey
  • Score: -8

9:43am Tue 25 Feb 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

house on the hill wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
In the current state, this park is costing the whole community of Swindon a lot of money whilst providing a nice setting for a very minute number of locals living nearby.
For the benefit of all, it would be fairer to sell this Park to private owners.
With such extreme views as you seem to have (it was selling off the NHS yesterday), I wonder why you have chosen to live in this country where so few share your views. Taking politics out of it, this should be kept for the people of Swindon, but they have to show they want it too.
I am not seeking election, so it suits me just fine to have an opinion of my own, as far as I know this is not yet a crime.
Parks are not essential services, it cost a lot of money to service and maintain them. I would rather have my taxes pay for education, care and infrastructure than maintain a nice leafy area for a minority of people.
As for the NHS, I do believe we should all bear the responsibility for our Health choices and lifestyle, a fair and sensible way to pay for NHS would be like we how pay for our car insurance.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: In the current state, this park is costing the whole community of Swindon a lot of money whilst providing a nice setting for a very minute number of locals living nearby. For the benefit of all, it would be fairer to sell this Park to private owners.[/p][/quote]With such extreme views as you seem to have (it was selling off the NHS yesterday), I wonder why you have chosen to live in this country where so few share your views. Taking politics out of it, this should be kept for the people of Swindon, but they have to show they want it too.[/p][/quote]I am not seeking election, so it suits me just fine to have an opinion of my own, as far as I know this is not yet a crime. Parks are not essential services, it cost a lot of money to service and maintain them. I would rather have my taxes pay for education, care and infrastructure than maintain a nice leafy area for a minority of people. As for the NHS, I do believe we should all bear the responsibility for our Health choices and lifestyle, a fair and sensible way to pay for NHS would be like we how pay for our car insurance. A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: -17

9:55am Tue 25 Feb 14

The Zax says...

Morsey wrote:
Unbelievable ... the Tory Council NEWCOMERS to Swindon just don't have a clue about public assets do they? Instead of lobbying their Government for more financial help to the town, when other towns do appear to receive extra funding, they continue to dispose of everything that every man and woman in the town during the better years has paid towards!

Shocking ... none of them seem to have a clue ... we have nothing left to sell ... what's next, gas chamber for the elderly and sick?
Comparisons and allusions to cruel regimes can sometimes be appropriate, but to suggest that the selling off of a property is any way suggestive of or analagous to killing the elderly and sick in gas chambers is to belittle the real suffering of millions. Such exaggeration adds nothing to the debate and risks making the writer appear foolish.

That said, I too would prefer not to see Lydiard sold.
[quote][p][bold]Morsey[/bold] wrote: Unbelievable ... the Tory Council NEWCOMERS to Swindon just don't have a clue about public assets do they? Instead of lobbying their Government for more financial help to the town, when other towns do appear to receive extra funding, they continue to dispose of everything that every man and woman in the town during the better years has paid towards! Shocking ... none of them seem to have a clue ... we have nothing left to sell ... what's next, gas chamber for the elderly and sick?[/p][/quote]Comparisons and allusions to cruel regimes can sometimes be appropriate, but to suggest that the selling off of a property is any way suggestive of or analagous to killing the elderly and sick in gas chambers is to belittle the real suffering of millions. Such exaggeration adds nothing to the debate and risks making the writer appear foolish. That said, I too would prefer not to see Lydiard sold. The Zax
  • Score: 8

10:01am Tue 25 Feb 14

Davey Gravey says...

Why do the Tories deny it? They already sell everything else off so it's no different is it?
What happens when there is nothing left for them to sell?
Why do the Tories deny it? They already sell everything else off so it's no different is it? What happens when there is nothing left for them to sell? Davey Gravey
  • Score: -3

10:09am Tue 25 Feb 14

Wildwestener says...

The Tories haven't denied they will sell it. They simply deny the existence of a plan to do so. Perhaps one of them can make a definitive statement that they wont sell Lydiard Park then we will know the truth of the matter.
The Tories haven't denied they will sell it. They simply deny the existence of a plan to do so. Perhaps one of them can make a definitive statement that they wont sell Lydiard Park then we will know the truth of the matter. Wildwestener
  • Score: 5

10:11am Tue 25 Feb 14

Phantom Poster says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
In the current state, this park is costing the whole community of Swindon a lot of money whilst providing a nice setting for a very minute number of locals living nearby.
For the benefit of all, it would be fairer to sell this Park to private owners.
With such extreme views as you seem to have (it was selling off the NHS yesterday), I wonder why you have chosen to live in this country where so few share your views. Taking politics out of it, this should be kept for the people of Swindon, but they have to show they want it too.
I am not seeking election, so it suits me just fine to have an opinion of my own, as far as I know this is not yet a crime.
Parks are not essential services, it cost a lot of money to service and maintain them. I would rather have my taxes pay for education, care and infrastructure than maintain a nice leafy area for a minority of people.
As for the NHS, I do believe we should all bear the responsibility for our Health choices and lifestyle, a fair and sensible way to pay for NHS would be like we how pay for our car insurance.
Like the car insurance industry? So people who have inherent health problems (not necessarily due to lifestyle) will be uninsurable. How compassionate!
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: In the current state, this park is costing the whole community of Swindon a lot of money whilst providing a nice setting for a very minute number of locals living nearby. For the benefit of all, it would be fairer to sell this Park to private owners.[/p][/quote]With such extreme views as you seem to have (it was selling off the NHS yesterday), I wonder why you have chosen to live in this country where so few share your views. Taking politics out of it, this should be kept for the people of Swindon, but they have to show they want it too.[/p][/quote]I am not seeking election, so it suits me just fine to have an opinion of my own, as far as I know this is not yet a crime. Parks are not essential services, it cost a lot of money to service and maintain them. I would rather have my taxes pay for education, care and infrastructure than maintain a nice leafy area for a minority of people. As for the NHS, I do believe we should all bear the responsibility for our Health choices and lifestyle, a fair and sensible way to pay for NHS would be like we how pay for our car insurance.[/p][/quote]Like the car insurance industry? So people who have inherent health problems (not necessarily due to lifestyle) will be uninsurable. How compassionate! Phantom Poster
  • Score: 14

10:26am Tue 25 Feb 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

Phantom Poster wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
In the current state, this park is costing the whole community of Swindon a lot of money whilst providing a nice setting for a very minute number of locals living nearby.
For the benefit of all, it would be fairer to sell this Park to private owners.
With such extreme views as you seem to have (it was selling off the NHS yesterday), I wonder why you have chosen to live in this country where so few share your views. Taking politics out of it, this should be kept for the people of Swindon, but they have to show they want it too.
I am not seeking election, so it suits me just fine to have an opinion of my own, as far as I know this is not yet a crime.
Parks are not essential services, it cost a lot of money to service and maintain them. I would rather have my taxes pay for education, care and infrastructure than maintain a nice leafy area for a minority of people.
As for the NHS, I do believe we should all bear the responsibility for our Health choices and lifestyle, a fair and sensible way to pay for NHS would be like we how pay for our car insurance.
Like the car insurance industry? So people who have inherent health problems (not necessarily due to lifestyle) will be uninsurable. How compassionate!
Those defective/bad genes will get access to healthcare of course however just like car insurance their premiums will be higher.
And Gene therapy is making rapid progress, most of the medication of the future will be individually designed.
[quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: In the current state, this park is costing the whole community of Swindon a lot of money whilst providing a nice setting for a very minute number of locals living nearby. For the benefit of all, it would be fairer to sell this Park to private owners.[/p][/quote]With such extreme views as you seem to have (it was selling off the NHS yesterday), I wonder why you have chosen to live in this country where so few share your views. Taking politics out of it, this should be kept for the people of Swindon, but they have to show they want it too.[/p][/quote]I am not seeking election, so it suits me just fine to have an opinion of my own, as far as I know this is not yet a crime. Parks are not essential services, it cost a lot of money to service and maintain them. I would rather have my taxes pay for education, care and infrastructure than maintain a nice leafy area for a minority of people. As for the NHS, I do believe we should all bear the responsibility for our Health choices and lifestyle, a fair and sensible way to pay for NHS would be like we how pay for our car insurance.[/p][/quote]Like the car insurance industry? So people who have inherent health problems (not necessarily due to lifestyle) will be uninsurable. How compassionate![/p][/quote]Those defective/bad genes will get access to healthcare of course however just like car insurance their premiums will be higher. And Gene therapy is making rapid progress, most of the medication of the future will be individually designed. A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: -22

10:44am Tue 25 Feb 14

Phantom Poster says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Phantom Poster wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
In the current state, this park is costing the whole community of Swindon a lot of money whilst providing a nice setting for a very minute number of locals living nearby.
For the benefit of all, it would be fairer to sell this Park to private owners.
With such extreme views as you seem to have (it was selling off the NHS yesterday), I wonder why you have chosen to live in this country where so few share your views. Taking politics out of it, this should be kept for the people of Swindon, but they have to show they want it too.
I am not seeking election, so it suits me just fine to have an opinion of my own, as far as I know this is not yet a crime.
Parks are not essential services, it cost a lot of money to service and maintain them. I would rather have my taxes pay for education, care and infrastructure than maintain a nice leafy area for a minority of people.
As for the NHS, I do believe we should all bear the responsibility for our Health choices and lifestyle, a fair and sensible way to pay for NHS would be like we how pay for our car insurance.
Like the car insurance industry? So people who have inherent health problems (not necessarily due to lifestyle) will be uninsurable. How compassionate!
Those defective/bad genes will get access to healthcare of course however just like car insurance their premiums will be higher.
And Gene therapy is making rapid progress, most of the medication of the future will be individually designed.
How will they get access if the premiums are unaffordable? No doubt insurers would insist on DNA tests before accepting an insurance application.

What the hell has gene therapy got to do with anything?
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: In the current state, this park is costing the whole community of Swindon a lot of money whilst providing a nice setting for a very minute number of locals living nearby. For the benefit of all, it would be fairer to sell this Park to private owners.[/p][/quote]With such extreme views as you seem to have (it was selling off the NHS yesterday), I wonder why you have chosen to live in this country where so few share your views. Taking politics out of it, this should be kept for the people of Swindon, but they have to show they want it too.[/p][/quote]I am not seeking election, so it suits me just fine to have an opinion of my own, as far as I know this is not yet a crime. Parks are not essential services, it cost a lot of money to service and maintain them. I would rather have my taxes pay for education, care and infrastructure than maintain a nice leafy area for a minority of people. As for the NHS, I do believe we should all bear the responsibility for our Health choices and lifestyle, a fair and sensible way to pay for NHS would be like we how pay for our car insurance.[/p][/quote]Like the car insurance industry? So people who have inherent health problems (not necessarily due to lifestyle) will be uninsurable. How compassionate![/p][/quote]Those defective/bad genes will get access to healthcare of course however just like car insurance their premiums will be higher. And Gene therapy is making rapid progress, most of the medication of the future will be individually designed.[/p][/quote]How will they get access if the premiums are unaffordable? No doubt insurers would insist on DNA tests before accepting an insurance application. What the hell has gene therapy got to do with anything? Phantom Poster
  • Score: 8

11:11am Tue 25 Feb 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

Stephanie Excell isn't a councillor any more is she - I thought she resigned?
Stephanie Excell isn't a councillor any more is she - I thought she resigned? The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: 12

11:22am Tue 25 Feb 14

Wildwestener says...

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
Stephanie Excell isn't a councillor any more is she - I thought she resigned?
had a leaflet for her today; she's standing in Shaw or whatever we are called now (Peatmoor, Nine Elms etc)
[quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: Stephanie Excell isn't a councillor any more is she - I thought she resigned?[/p][/quote]had a leaflet for her today; she's standing in Shaw or whatever we are called now (Peatmoor, Nine Elms etc) Wildwestener
  • Score: 2

11:25am Tue 25 Feb 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

Wildwestener wrote:
The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
Stephanie Excell isn't a councillor any more is she - I thought she resigned?
had a leaflet for her today; she's standing in Shaw or whatever we are called now (Peatmoor, Nine Elms etc)
Aaah, so she's a prospective Labour councillor then, an important bit of information missing from the article!

You'd have hoped she'd have learned her lesson and hopefully run a more positive and truthful campaign than she did for the residents of Oakhurst under the heading of "Oakhurst Residents Association" with Tadpole Farm. Doesn't really sound like it though!
[quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: Stephanie Excell isn't a councillor any more is she - I thought she resigned?[/p][/quote]had a leaflet for her today; she's standing in Shaw or whatever we are called now (Peatmoor, Nine Elms etc)[/p][/quote]Aaah, so she's a prospective Labour councillor then, an important bit of information missing from the article! You'd have hoped she'd have learned her lesson and hopefully run a more positive and truthful campaign than she did for the residents of Oakhurst under the heading of "Oakhurst Residents Association" with Tadpole Farm. Doesn't really sound like it though! The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: 9

11:32am Tue 25 Feb 14

MrHappy says...

Are more and more Swindon residents recognising a Conservative pattern of behaviour about consultations and decisions? Do Conservative councillors have difficulty remembering what their cabinet decides when it suits their purposes? Do the residents of Swindon want a constant stream of Conservative misinformation and spin about a script that the Conservative administration has signed up to? The leader of the Council should read the Adver article on 4th December 2013 about what the Council are doing about Lydiard House and Park and what the Council spokesperson said. Perhaps the leader could use this as an aide memoire when questioned?
Are more and more Swindon residents recognising a Conservative pattern of behaviour about consultations and decisions? Do Conservative councillors have difficulty remembering what their cabinet decides when it suits their purposes? Do the residents of Swindon want a constant stream of Conservative misinformation and spin about a script that the Conservative administration has signed up to? The leader of the Council should read the Adver article on 4th December 2013 about what the Council are doing about Lydiard House and Park and what the Council spokesperson said. Perhaps the leader could use this as an aide memoire when questioned? MrHappy
  • Score: -3

11:47am Tue 25 Feb 14

ChannelX says...


what's next, gas chamber for the elderly and sick?


This is why nobody takes the left-wing and Labour supporters remotely seriously.
[quote] what's next, gas chamber for the elderly and sick? [/quote] This is why nobody takes the left-wing and Labour supporters remotely seriously. ChannelX
  • Score: 3

12:18pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Morsey says...

You tell me what they will do then ... when their only policies are to dispose of any expenditure of whatever kind? When there is NOTHING left to dispose of what will this sad bunch turn to next? Wake up and see the future under this callous and unsupportive of the broader electorate attitude!

Try and break the thumbs down record ... I believe it is around 16?
You tell me what they will do then ... when their only policies are to dispose of any expenditure of whatever kind? When there is NOTHING left to dispose of what will this sad bunch turn to next? Wake up and see the future under this callous and unsupportive of the broader electorate attitude! Try and break the thumbs down record ... I believe it is around 16? Morsey
  • Score: 0

12:27pm Tue 25 Feb 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

Callous, unsupportive of the broader electorate attitude? The very fact that they were voted in suggests they are doing exactly what the broader electorate wanted. You may not agree with it (and that's your right), but clearly a majority of people disagreed with you, at least at the last elections.

The trouble is, if Labour got in we'd all be paying more, and I don't know about you but I don't have a lot more to give. What we need to do is ban party politics and get a balance of all views represented in both local and national government. It'll never happen though, the big two have too much vested in the status quo.
Callous, unsupportive of the broader electorate attitude? The very fact that they were voted in suggests they are doing exactly what the broader electorate wanted. You may not agree with it (and that's your right), but clearly a majority of people disagreed with you, at least at the last elections. The trouble is, if Labour got in we'd all be paying more, and I don't know about you but I don't have a lot more to give. What we need to do is ban party politics and get a balance of all views represented in both local and national government. It'll never happen though, the big two have too much vested in the status quo. The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: 4

12:40pm Tue 25 Feb 14

MrHappy says...

MrHappy wrote:
Are more and more Swindon residents recognising a Conservative pattern of behaviour about consultations and decisions? Do Conservative councillors have difficulty remembering what their cabinet decides when it suits their purposes? Do the residents of Swindon want a constant stream of Conservative misinformation and spin about a script that the Conservative administration has signed up to? The leader of the Council should read the Adver article on 4th December 2013 about what the Council are doing about Lydiard House and Park and what the Council spokesperson said. Perhaps the leader could use this as an aide memoire when questioned?
Politics is about highlighting the behaviour of politicians who make decisions and hold them to account for making those decisions. The issue is about Lydiard House and Country Park and its future. Do the residents of Swindon agree with the Conservative administration's decision to consider changing the way that Platform, STEAM, Stanton Country Park, Coate Water Country Park and Lydiard House and Country Park operate? Do 99-year leases to private companies along with change of use options after 3 years mean that community assets and heritage still belong to the people who paid for them?

Look at the Council website and the 4th December 2013 Adver article about Lydiard House and Country Park. Read what the Council spokesperson said.
[quote][p][bold]MrHappy[/bold] wrote: Are more and more Swindon residents recognising a Conservative pattern of behaviour about consultations and decisions? Do Conservative councillors have difficulty remembering what their cabinet decides when it suits their purposes? Do the residents of Swindon want a constant stream of Conservative misinformation and spin about a script that the Conservative administration has signed up to? The leader of the Council should read the Adver article on 4th December 2013 about what the Council are doing about Lydiard House and Park and what the Council spokesperson said. Perhaps the leader could use this as an aide memoire when questioned?[/p][/quote]Politics is about highlighting the behaviour of politicians who make decisions and hold them to account for making those decisions. The issue is about Lydiard House and Country Park and its future. Do the residents of Swindon agree with the Conservative administration's decision to consider changing the way that Platform, STEAM, Stanton Country Park, Coate Water Country Park and Lydiard House and Country Park operate? Do 99-year leases to private companies along with change of use options after 3 years mean that community assets and heritage still belong to the people who paid for them? Look at the Council website and the 4th December 2013 Adver article about Lydiard House and Country Park. Read what the Council spokesperson said. MrHappy
  • Score: 1

1:21pm Tue 25 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

Morsey wrote:
You tell me what they will do then ... when their only policies are to dispose of any expenditure of whatever kind? When there is NOTHING left to dispose of what will this sad bunch turn to next? Wake up and see the future under this callous and unsupportive of the broader electorate attitude!

Try and break the thumbs down record ... I believe it is around 16?
Are you seriously stating, quite publically, that you *actually* believe the Conservative party might consider introducing an official policy of sending the elderly and sick to the gas chamber?

Do you have any idea how utterly ridiculous it makes you sound, and how it completely destroys any credibility you hope your comments may have?

And then you wonder why so many people downvote your posts.

Outstanding.
[quote][p][bold]Morsey[/bold] wrote: You tell me what they will do then ... when their only policies are to dispose of any expenditure of whatever kind? When there is NOTHING left to dispose of what will this sad bunch turn to next? Wake up and see the future under this callous and unsupportive of the broader electorate attitude! Try and break the thumbs down record ... I believe it is around 16?[/p][/quote]Are you seriously stating, quite publically, that you *actually* believe the Conservative party might consider introducing an official policy of sending the elderly and sick to the gas chamber? Do you have any idea how utterly ridiculous it makes you sound, and how it completely destroys any credibility you hope your comments may have? And then you wonder why so many people downvote your posts. Outstanding. ChannelX
  • Score: 0

1:25pm Tue 25 Feb 14

benzss says...

Morsey wrote:
You tell me what they will do then ... when their only policies are to dispose of any expenditure of whatever kind? When there is NOTHING left to dispose of what will this sad bunch turn to next? Wake up and see the future under this callous and unsupportive of the broader electorate attitude!

Try and break the thumbs down record ... I believe it is around 16?
Traditionally it was the Fabians who were in favour of eugenics.
[quote][p][bold]Morsey[/bold] wrote: You tell me what they will do then ... when their only policies are to dispose of any expenditure of whatever kind? When there is NOTHING left to dispose of what will this sad bunch turn to next? Wake up and see the future under this callous and unsupportive of the broader electorate attitude! Try and break the thumbs down record ... I believe it is around 16?[/p][/quote]Traditionally it was the Fabians who were in favour of eugenics. benzss
  • Score: -2

1:25pm Tue 25 Feb 14

benzss says...

Morsey wrote:
You tell me what they will do then ... when their only policies are to dispose of any expenditure of whatever kind? When there is NOTHING left to dispose of what will this sad bunch turn to next? Wake up and see the future under this callous and unsupportive of the broader electorate attitude!

Try and break the thumbs down record ... I believe it is around 16?
Traditionally it was the Fabians who were in favour of eugenics.
[quote][p][bold]Morsey[/bold] wrote: You tell me what they will do then ... when their only policies are to dispose of any expenditure of whatever kind? When there is NOTHING left to dispose of what will this sad bunch turn to next? Wake up and see the future under this callous and unsupportive of the broader electorate attitude! Try and break the thumbs down record ... I believe it is around 16?[/p][/quote]Traditionally it was the Fabians who were in favour of eugenics. benzss
  • Score: -2

1:25pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Al Smith says...

Just look at what happened with the Mela last year, the vast majority of people were happy with the event being in the Town Gardens. Yet didn't SBC say Niet! you will go to Lydiard, without even bothering to discuss other potential locations such as the Polo Ground, County Ground or Faringdon Road Park? Then there are all the other events and activities that take place at Lydiard (with other parks seemingly being ignored), one might reasonably argue that a nice portfolio of events to bring in paying punters is being prepared for a potential 'sale'.

Pretty obvious that a council in debt to the tune of £120million could be looking to get money from any possible source.
Just look at what happened with the Mela last year, the vast majority of people were happy with the event being in the Town Gardens. Yet didn't SBC say Niet! you will go to Lydiard, without even bothering to discuss other potential locations such as the Polo Ground, County Ground or Faringdon Road Park? Then there are all the other events and activities that take place at Lydiard (with other parks seemingly being ignored), one might reasonably argue that a nice portfolio of events to bring in paying punters is being prepared for a potential 'sale'. Pretty obvious that a council in debt to the tune of £120million could be looking to get money from any possible source. Al Smith
  • Score: 6

1:25pm Tue 25 Feb 14

house on the hill says...

Phantom Poster wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
In the current state, this park is costing the whole community of Swindon a lot of money whilst providing a nice setting for a very minute number of locals living nearby.
For the benefit of all, it would be fairer to sell this Park to private owners.
With such extreme views as you seem to have (it was selling off the NHS yesterday), I wonder why you have chosen to live in this country where so few share your views. Taking politics out of it, this should be kept for the people of Swindon, but they have to show they want it too.
I am not seeking election, so it suits me just fine to have an opinion of my own, as far as I know this is not yet a crime.
Parks are not essential services, it cost a lot of money to service and maintain them. I would rather have my taxes pay for education, care and infrastructure than maintain a nice leafy area for a minority of people.
As for the NHS, I do believe we should all bear the responsibility for our Health choices and lifestyle, a fair and sensible way to pay for NHS would be like we how pay for our car insurance.
Like the car insurance industry? So people who have inherent health problems (not necessarily due to lifestyle) will be uninsurable. How compassionate!
I think more than a few of his comments don't add up.

for instance, if the car crash isn't your fault, someone else pays the bill. So on the same basis, if you are born with an incurable disease, someone else should pay for the treatment and care!

Also you say people should be responsible for their health, so why not everything else, like educating their children or only paying for the police if you actually use them? You say on the one hand we should all be responsible for our lives and then on the other say we should pay tax for education, care etc, a complete contradiction.

Yes of course you are entitled to your opinion but dont be surprised when people take exception to your extremist views.
[quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: In the current state, this park is costing the whole community of Swindon a lot of money whilst providing a nice setting for a very minute number of locals living nearby. For the benefit of all, it would be fairer to sell this Park to private owners.[/p][/quote]With such extreme views as you seem to have (it was selling off the NHS yesterday), I wonder why you have chosen to live in this country where so few share your views. Taking politics out of it, this should be kept for the people of Swindon, but they have to show they want it too.[/p][/quote]I am not seeking election, so it suits me just fine to have an opinion of my own, as far as I know this is not yet a crime. Parks are not essential services, it cost a lot of money to service and maintain them. I would rather have my taxes pay for education, care and infrastructure than maintain a nice leafy area for a minority of people. As for the NHS, I do believe we should all bear the responsibility for our Health choices and lifestyle, a fair and sensible way to pay for NHS would be like we how pay for our car insurance.[/p][/quote]Like the car insurance industry? So people who have inherent health problems (not necessarily due to lifestyle) will be uninsurable. How compassionate![/p][/quote]I think more than a few of his comments don't add up. for instance, if the car crash isn't your fault, someone else pays the bill. So on the same basis, if you are born with an incurable disease, someone else should pay for the treatment and care! Also you say people should be responsible for their health, so why not everything else, like educating their children or only paying for the police if you actually use them? You say on the one hand we should all be responsible for our lives and then on the other say we should pay tax for education, care etc, a complete contradiction. Yes of course you are entitled to your opinion but dont be surprised when people take exception to your extremist views. house on the hill
  • Score: 6

1:33pm Tue 25 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
Stephanie Excell isn't a councillor any more is she - I thought she resigned?
had a leaflet for her today; she's standing in Shaw or whatever we are called now (Peatmoor, Nine Elms etc)
Aaah, so she's a prospective Labour councillor then, an important bit of information missing from the article!

You'd have hoped she'd have learned her lesson and hopefully run a more positive and truthful campaign than she did for the residents of Oakhurst under the heading of "Oakhurst Residents Association" with Tadpole Farm. Doesn't really sound like it though!
The Exell dynasty do like to try and gain 'control' of as many areas of Swindon as possible:

Paul Excell, chairman of Oakhurst Residents Association
Stephanie Excell, secretary of Oakhurst Residents Association

Paul Exell, councillor, Haydon Wick Parish Council
Stephanie Exell, councillor, Haydon Wick Parish Council
Simon Exell, youth councillor, Haydon Wick Parish Council

Despite (or maybe due to) Mrs Exell once having been a Tory councillor in Swindon, the current agenda appears decidedly militant Left.

It would appear, from other indiscretions, that the circulation of rabble-rousing leaflets is a favoured tactic.
[quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: Stephanie Excell isn't a councillor any more is she - I thought she resigned?[/p][/quote]had a leaflet for her today; she's standing in Shaw or whatever we are called now (Peatmoor, Nine Elms etc)[/p][/quote]Aaah, so she's a prospective Labour councillor then, an important bit of information missing from the article! You'd have hoped she'd have learned her lesson and hopefully run a more positive and truthful campaign than she did for the residents of Oakhurst under the heading of "Oakhurst Residents Association" with Tadpole Farm. Doesn't really sound like it though![/p][/quote]The Exell dynasty do like to try and gain 'control' of as many areas of Swindon as possible: Paul Excell, chairman of Oakhurst Residents Association Stephanie Excell, secretary of Oakhurst Residents Association Paul Exell, councillor, Haydon Wick Parish Council Stephanie Exell, councillor, Haydon Wick Parish Council Simon Exell, youth councillor, Haydon Wick Parish Council Despite (or maybe due to) Mrs Exell once having been a Tory councillor in Swindon, the current agenda appears decidedly militant Left. It would appear, from other indiscretions, that the circulation of rabble-rousing leaflets is a favoured tactic. ChannelX
  • Score: 0

1:47pm Tue 25 Feb 14

roberto5 says...

Lydiard Park has been mis managed from the get go, when have the council ever tried to create an income for it? The first thought that comes to mind is pay for parking there if you need revenue. Lydiard is a 300 acre park, which some cities don't even have, it should be managed properly. Currently SBC aren't doing this, it needs to be handed to a private investor were cash will be pumped in, it's still kept for the people, put there will be some charge for using it.
Lydiard Park has been mis managed from the get go, when have the council ever tried to create an income for it? The first thought that comes to mind is pay for parking there if you need revenue. Lydiard is a 300 acre park, which some cities don't even have, it should be managed properly. Currently SBC aren't doing this, it needs to be handed to a private investor were cash will be pumped in, it's still kept for the people, put there will be some charge for using it. roberto5
  • Score: -1

2:19pm Tue 25 Feb 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

Morsey wrote:
You tell me what they will do then ... when their only policies are to dispose of any expenditure of whatever kind? When there is NOTHING left to dispose of what will this sad bunch turn to next? Wake up and see the future under this callous and unsupportive of the broader electorate attitude!

Try and break the thumbs down record ... I believe it is around 16?
The idea here is that the council is working with a shrinking pot of money. Sports and parks and libraries are not essential services, taxpayers money does not grow on trees so we can safely dispose of Lydiard and Coate Water and others and focus public funding on more serious and needed services.
[quote][p][bold]Morsey[/bold] wrote: You tell me what they will do then ... when their only policies are to dispose of any expenditure of whatever kind? When there is NOTHING left to dispose of what will this sad bunch turn to next? Wake up and see the future under this callous and unsupportive of the broader electorate attitude! Try and break the thumbs down record ... I believe it is around 16?[/p][/quote]The idea here is that the council is working with a shrinking pot of money. Sports and parks and libraries are not essential services, taxpayers money does not grow on trees so we can safely dispose of Lydiard and Coate Water and others and focus public funding on more serious and needed services. A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: -4

2:29pm Tue 25 Feb 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

house on the hill wrote:
Phantom Poster wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
In the current state, this park is costing the whole community of Swindon a lot of money whilst providing a nice setting for a very minute number of locals living nearby.
For the benefit of all, it would be fairer to sell this Park to private owners.
With such extreme views as you seem to have (it was selling off the NHS yesterday), I wonder why you have chosen to live in this country where so few share your views. Taking politics out of it, this should be kept for the people of Swindon, but they have to show they want it too.
I am not seeking election, so it suits me just fine to have an opinion of my own, as far as I know this is not yet a crime.
Parks are not essential services, it cost a lot of money to service and maintain them. I would rather have my taxes pay for education, care and infrastructure than maintain a nice leafy area for a minority of people.
As for the NHS, I do believe we should all bear the responsibility for our Health choices and lifestyle, a fair and sensible way to pay for NHS would be like we how pay for our car insurance.
Like the car insurance industry? So people who have inherent health problems (not necessarily due to lifestyle) will be uninsurable. How compassionate!
I think more than a few of his comments don't add up.

for instance, if the car crash isn't your fault, someone else pays the bill. So on the same basis, if you are born with an incurable disease, someone else should pay for the treatment and care!

Also you say people should be responsible for their health, so why not everything else, like educating their children or only paying for the police if you actually use them? You say on the one hand we should all be responsible for our lives and then on the other say we should pay tax for education, care etc, a complete contradiction.

Yes of course you are entitled to your opinion but dont be surprised when people take exception to your extremist views.
I absolutely agree with the principle of paying for what you use, meaning not paying for what you are not using, it makes sense and it is fair.
I think as a Nation we rely too much on the State, and the cost of the Welfare state is becoming a burden.
I do not disagree with taxation to basic services like A&E, primary education however State intervention in people's lives should be absolutely minimal.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: In the current state, this park is costing the whole community of Swindon a lot of money whilst providing a nice setting for a very minute number of locals living nearby. For the benefit of all, it would be fairer to sell this Park to private owners.[/p][/quote]With such extreme views as you seem to have (it was selling off the NHS yesterday), I wonder why you have chosen to live in this country where so few share your views. Taking politics out of it, this should be kept for the people of Swindon, but they have to show they want it too.[/p][/quote]I am not seeking election, so it suits me just fine to have an opinion of my own, as far as I know this is not yet a crime. Parks are not essential services, it cost a lot of money to service and maintain them. I would rather have my taxes pay for education, care and infrastructure than maintain a nice leafy area for a minority of people. As for the NHS, I do believe we should all bear the responsibility for our Health choices and lifestyle, a fair and sensible way to pay for NHS would be like we how pay for our car insurance.[/p][/quote]Like the car insurance industry? So people who have inherent health problems (not necessarily due to lifestyle) will be uninsurable. How compassionate![/p][/quote]I think more than a few of his comments don't add up. for instance, if the car crash isn't your fault, someone else pays the bill. So on the same basis, if you are born with an incurable disease, someone else should pay for the treatment and care! Also you say people should be responsible for their health, so why not everything else, like educating their children or only paying for the police if you actually use them? You say on the one hand we should all be responsible for our lives and then on the other say we should pay tax for education, care etc, a complete contradiction. Yes of course you are entitled to your opinion but dont be surprised when people take exception to your extremist views.[/p][/quote]I absolutely agree with the principle of paying for what you use, meaning not paying for what you are not using, it makes sense and it is fair. I think as a Nation we rely too much on the State, and the cost of the Welfare state is becoming a burden. I do not disagree with taxation to basic services like A&E, primary education however State intervention in people's lives should be absolutely minimal. A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: -3

2:33pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Davey Gravey says...

The thumbs are being furiously fiddled with today. Anything that is critical of the Tory party always gets that treatment. Desperate!
The thumbs are being furiously fiddled with today. Anything that is critical of the Tory party always gets that treatment. Desperate! Davey Gravey
  • Score: -3

2:45pm Tue 25 Feb 14

madreeves says...

Unfortunately, I think a lot of the financial problems with Swindon Borough Council's "Culture" department stem from an inherent lack of expertise and business sense from the officers directly responsible, coupled with the huge salaries they get which are just not warranted. With the Council, it's not what you know, but who. A certain woman has only kept her job there by sucking up and whingeing to the right people. If you put the salaries into context, what they pay the likes of management at places like the Arts Centre, Lydiard Park and others, it is way, way too much, far above a commercial comparator, and we're not getting value for money from those staff as they clearly aren't getting the business/money in. This has lead to offloading these places to companies like the Wyvern who have no doubt taken one look at what SBC pay the management at the Arts Centre and have fallen on the floor laughing. It's time for SBC to treat its assets like a business and stop paying underperforming staff at extortionate rates.
Unfortunately, I think a lot of the financial problems with Swindon Borough Council's "Culture" department stem from an inherent lack of expertise and business sense from the officers directly responsible, coupled with the huge salaries they get which are just not warranted. With the Council, it's not what you know, but who. A certain woman has only kept her job there by sucking up and whingeing to the right people. If you put the salaries into context, what they pay the likes of management at places like the Arts Centre, Lydiard Park and others, it is way, way too much, far above a commercial comparator, and we're not getting value for money from those staff as they clearly aren't getting the business/money in. This has lead to offloading these places to companies like the Wyvern who have no doubt taken one look at what SBC pay the management at the Arts Centre and have fallen on the floor laughing. It's time for SBC to treat its assets like a business and stop paying underperforming staff at extortionate rates. madreeves
  • Score: 10

2:47pm Tue 25 Feb 14

The Real Librarian says...

Oldswindonian wrote:
As I understand it, Lydiard Park makes a huge loss each year which has to be covered by the local taxpayer. The same applies I believe to the Steam museum. It would therefore not surprise me in the least if there were investigations into the possibility of a sell off, and why not provided that they were run in the spirit for which they were intended?
Have you heard the phrase "loss leaders!"
[quote][p][bold]Oldswindonian[/bold] wrote: As I understand it, Lydiard Park makes a huge loss each year which has to be covered by the local taxpayer. The same applies I believe to the Steam museum. It would therefore not surprise me in the least if there were investigations into the possibility of a sell off, and why not provided that they were run in the spirit for which they were intended?[/p][/quote]Have you heard the phrase "loss leaders!" The Real Librarian
  • Score: 0

2:59pm Tue 25 Feb 14

House with no name says...

Local councillors turning local politics into party politics is not what they are in place to do - we want them to just look after the needs of their local constituency nothing more nothing less.

However, we are seeing them all attempting to play big boys games to the detriment of local politics - stay away from political point scoring and attacks on the Mayor - Labour councillors seem most guilty of this chestnut, just leave it to the correct procedures that are already in place.

As for Lydiard House & Grounds this is the jewel in the crown of Swindon as first identified by the visionary David Murray John at the end of the second world war.

At that time the Polo Ground was the main Show ground and venue for the Bath & West Show but recently all main events have passed to Lydiard with a threat of building on the Polo Ground being currently thwarted by the affluent local residents.

I stress it is not just a place for local people but for the whole of Swindon - it had been such a lovely place before being opened to a wider community!

It is difficult to see how a Swindon Council would be allowed to sell such jewels as Lydiard or Steam - maybe letting them out to private tender for a fixed period but certainly not selling them - but if you get enough stupid councillors together of the same mind who knows what they are capable of doing !
Local councillors turning local politics into party politics is not what they are in place to do - we want them to just look after the needs of their local constituency nothing more nothing less. However, we are seeing them all attempting to play big boys games to the detriment of local politics - stay away from political point scoring and attacks on the Mayor - Labour councillors seem most guilty of this chestnut, just leave it to the correct procedures that are already in place. As for Lydiard House & Grounds this is the jewel in the crown of Swindon as first identified by the visionary David Murray John at the end of the second world war. At that time the Polo Ground was the main Show ground and venue for the Bath & West Show but recently all main events have passed to Lydiard with a threat of building on the Polo Ground being currently thwarted by the affluent local residents. I stress it is not just a place for local people but for the whole of Swindon - it had been such a lovely place before being opened to a wider community! It is difficult to see how a Swindon Council would be allowed to sell such jewels as Lydiard or Steam - maybe letting them out to private tender for a fixed period but certainly not selling them - but if you get enough stupid councillors together of the same mind who knows what they are capable of doing ! House with no name
  • Score: 3

3:25pm Tue 25 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
The thumbs are being furiously fiddled with today. Anything that is critical of the Tory party always gets that treatment. Desperate!
You may not have noticed, but the town has two Tory MPs and a Tory majority council, so it would therefore be a little strange if you and your Labour pals received a very large number of pro-votes.

Although, interestingly, that has been happening on certain articles I notice you've been involved with lately... I'm sure it's just pure coincidence, eh?
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: The thumbs are being furiously fiddled with today. Anything that is critical of the Tory party always gets that treatment. Desperate![/p][/quote]You may not have noticed, but the town has two Tory MPs and a Tory majority council, so it would therefore be a little strange if you and your Labour pals received a very large number of pro-votes. Although, interestingly, that has been happening on certain articles I notice you've been involved with lately... I'm sure it's just pure coincidence, eh? ChannelX
  • Score: -2

3:34pm Tue 25 Feb 14

house on the hill says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
Phantom Poster wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
In the current state, this park is costing the whole community of Swindon a lot of money whilst providing a nice setting for a very minute number of locals living nearby.
For the benefit of all, it would be fairer to sell this Park to private owners.
With such extreme views as you seem to have (it was selling off the NHS yesterday), I wonder why you have chosen to live in this country where so few share your views. Taking politics out of it, this should be kept for the people of Swindon, but they have to show they want it too.
I am not seeking election, so it suits me just fine to have an opinion of my own, as far as I know this is not yet a crime.
Parks are not essential services, it cost a lot of money to service and maintain them. I would rather have my taxes pay for education, care and infrastructure than maintain a nice leafy area for a minority of people.
As for the NHS, I do believe we should all bear the responsibility for our Health choices and lifestyle, a fair and sensible way to pay for NHS would be like we how pay for our car insurance.
Like the car insurance industry? So people who have inherent health problems (not necessarily due to lifestyle) will be uninsurable. How compassionate!
I think more than a few of his comments don't add up.

for instance, if the car crash isn't your fault, someone else pays the bill. So on the same basis, if you are born with an incurable disease, someone else should pay for the treatment and care!

Also you say people should be responsible for their health, so why not everything else, like educating their children or only paying for the police if you actually use them? You say on the one hand we should all be responsible for our lives and then on the other say we should pay tax for education, care etc, a complete contradiction.

Yes of course you are entitled to your opinion but dont be surprised when people take exception to your extremist views.
I absolutely agree with the principle of paying for what you use, meaning not paying for what you are not using, it makes sense and it is fair.
I think as a Nation we rely too much on the State, and the cost of the Welfare state is becoming a burden.
I do not disagree with taxation to basic services like A&E, primary education however State intervention in people's lives should be absolutely minimal.
Why should drunkards be treated from taxpayers money I think you of all people would want A&E to be paid for by those with selfish lifestyle choices, whats the difference then? And why primary education if you dont have kids, or maybe limit it to a fixed number before you start paying. As I said you are contradicting yourself too much.

I actually agree we are too reliant on the state, but it has to be a consistent and totally fair system to work for all. Those who are in need should always be helped, but those who have chosen not to help themselves or just expect others to pick up their mess all the time less so.
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: In the current state, this park is costing the whole community of Swindon a lot of money whilst providing a nice setting for a very minute number of locals living nearby. For the benefit of all, it would be fairer to sell this Park to private owners.[/p][/quote]With such extreme views as you seem to have (it was selling off the NHS yesterday), I wonder why you have chosen to live in this country where so few share your views. Taking politics out of it, this should be kept for the people of Swindon, but they have to show they want it too.[/p][/quote]I am not seeking election, so it suits me just fine to have an opinion of my own, as far as I know this is not yet a crime. Parks are not essential services, it cost a lot of money to service and maintain them. I would rather have my taxes pay for education, care and infrastructure than maintain a nice leafy area for a minority of people. As for the NHS, I do believe we should all bear the responsibility for our Health choices and lifestyle, a fair and sensible way to pay for NHS would be like we how pay for our car insurance.[/p][/quote]Like the car insurance industry? So people who have inherent health problems (not necessarily due to lifestyle) will be uninsurable. How compassionate![/p][/quote]I think more than a few of his comments don't add up. for instance, if the car crash isn't your fault, someone else pays the bill. So on the same basis, if you are born with an incurable disease, someone else should pay for the treatment and care! Also you say people should be responsible for their health, so why not everything else, like educating their children or only paying for the police if you actually use them? You say on the one hand we should all be responsible for our lives and then on the other say we should pay tax for education, care etc, a complete contradiction. Yes of course you are entitled to your opinion but dont be surprised when people take exception to your extremist views.[/p][/quote]I absolutely agree with the principle of paying for what you use, meaning not paying for what you are not using, it makes sense and it is fair. I think as a Nation we rely too much on the State, and the cost of the Welfare state is becoming a burden. I do not disagree with taxation to basic services like A&E, primary education however State intervention in people's lives should be absolutely minimal.[/p][/quote]Why should drunkards be treated from taxpayers money I think you of all people would want A&E to be paid for by those with selfish lifestyle choices, whats the difference then? And why primary education if you dont have kids, or maybe limit it to a fixed number before you start paying. As I said you are contradicting yourself too much. I actually agree we are too reliant on the state, but it has to be a consistent and totally fair system to work for all. Those who are in need should always be helped, but those who have chosen not to help themselves or just expect others to pick up their mess all the time less so. house on the hill
  • Score: 2

3:55pm Tue 25 Feb 14

twasadawf says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
In the current state, this park is costing the whole community of Swindon a lot of money whilst providing a nice setting for a very minute number of locals living nearby.
For the benefit of all, it would be fairer to sell this Park to private owners.
You are just like your name sake a self opinionated numpty ,i could go on but that would be playing your game
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: In the current state, this park is costing the whole community of Swindon a lot of money whilst providing a nice setting for a very minute number of locals living nearby. For the benefit of all, it would be fairer to sell this Park to private owners.[/p][/quote]You are just like your name sake a self opinionated numpty ,i could go on but that would be playing your game twasadawf
  • Score: 4

4:09pm Tue 25 Feb 14

The Real Librarian says...

roberto5 wrote:
Lydiard Park has been mis managed from the get go, when have the council ever tried to create an income for it? The first thought that comes to mind is pay for parking there if you need revenue. Lydiard is a 300 acre park, which some cities don't even have, it should be managed properly. Currently SBC aren't doing this, it needs to be handed to a private investor were cash will be pumped in, it's still kept for the people, put there will be some charge for using it.
Fantastic. Parking charges!

That won't make people park in the surrounding streets, will it!
[quote][p][bold]roberto5[/bold] wrote: Lydiard Park has been mis managed from the get go, when have the council ever tried to create an income for it? The first thought that comes to mind is pay for parking there if you need revenue. Lydiard is a 300 acre park, which some cities don't even have, it should be managed properly. Currently SBC aren't doing this, it needs to be handed to a private investor were cash will be pumped in, it's still kept for the people, put there will be some charge for using it.[/p][/quote]Fantastic. Parking charges! That won't make people park in the surrounding streets, will it! The Real Librarian
  • Score: 3

4:42pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Richard Symonds says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
In the current state, this park is costing the whole community of Swindon a lot of money whilst providing a nice setting for a very minute number of locals living nearby.
For the benefit of all, it would be fairer to sell this Park to private owners.
And be charged to use the facilities that we, as a town, own.

Now that really makes sense doesn't it?
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: In the current state, this park is costing the whole community of Swindon a lot of money whilst providing a nice setting for a very minute number of locals living nearby. For the benefit of all, it would be fairer to sell this Park to private owners.[/p][/quote]And be charged to use the facilities that we, as a town, own. Now that really makes sense doesn't it? Richard Symonds
  • Score: 7

4:48pm Tue 25 Feb 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

twasadawf wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
In the current state, this park is costing the whole community of Swindon a lot of money whilst providing a nice setting for a very minute number of locals living nearby.
For the benefit of all, it would be fairer to sell this Park to private owners.
You are just like your name sake a self opinionated numpty ,i could go on but that would be playing your game
you should be on QT......
[quote][p][bold]twasadawf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: In the current state, this park is costing the whole community of Swindon a lot of money whilst providing a nice setting for a very minute number of locals living nearby. For the benefit of all, it would be fairer to sell this Park to private owners.[/p][/quote]You are just like your name sake a self opinionated numpty ,i could go on but that would be playing your game[/p][/quote]you should be on QT...... A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: -6

6:22pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Mr_Stig says...

ChannelX wrote:
The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
Stephanie Excell isn't a councillor any more is she - I thought she resigned?
had a leaflet for her today; she's standing in Shaw or whatever we are called now (Peatmoor, Nine Elms etc)
Aaah, so she's a prospective Labour councillor then, an important bit of information missing from the article!

You'd have hoped she'd have learned her lesson and hopefully run a more positive and truthful campaign than she did for the residents of Oakhurst under the heading of "Oakhurst Residents Association" with Tadpole Farm. Doesn't really sound like it though!
The Exell dynasty do like to try and gain 'control' of as many areas of Swindon as possible:

Paul Excell, chairman of Oakhurst Residents Association
Stephanie Excell, secretary of Oakhurst Residents Association

Paul Exell, councillor, Haydon Wick Parish Council
Stephanie Exell, councillor, Haydon Wick Parish Council
Simon Exell, youth councillor, Haydon Wick Parish Council

Despite (or maybe due to) Mrs Exell once having been a Tory councillor in Swindon, the current agenda appears decidedly militant Left.

It would appear, from other indiscretions, that the circulation of rabble-rousing leaflets is a favoured tactic.
No Idea about the Excell dynasty as mentioned (and have no idea who they are etc) but got to be marginally better than a Nick and Mary Martin double act! "To me, to you" and Foot in mouth Nick

Maybe shaw is doomed!
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: Stephanie Excell isn't a councillor any more is she - I thought she resigned?[/p][/quote]had a leaflet for her today; she's standing in Shaw or whatever we are called now (Peatmoor, Nine Elms etc)[/p][/quote]Aaah, so she's a prospective Labour councillor then, an important bit of information missing from the article! You'd have hoped she'd have learned her lesson and hopefully run a more positive and truthful campaign than she did for the residents of Oakhurst under the heading of "Oakhurst Residents Association" with Tadpole Farm. Doesn't really sound like it though![/p][/quote]The Exell dynasty do like to try and gain 'control' of as many areas of Swindon as possible: Paul Excell, chairman of Oakhurst Residents Association Stephanie Excell, secretary of Oakhurst Residents Association Paul Exell, councillor, Haydon Wick Parish Council Stephanie Exell, councillor, Haydon Wick Parish Council Simon Exell, youth councillor, Haydon Wick Parish Council Despite (or maybe due to) Mrs Exell once having been a Tory councillor in Swindon, the current agenda appears decidedly militant Left. It would appear, from other indiscretions, that the circulation of rabble-rousing leaflets is a favoured tactic.[/p][/quote]No Idea about the Excell dynasty as mentioned (and have no idea who they are etc) but got to be marginally better than a Nick and Mary Martin double act! "To me, to you" and Foot in mouth Nick Maybe shaw is doomed! Mr_Stig
  • Score: 1

6:25pm Tue 25 Feb 14

beach1e says...

the walled garden and church are lovely, the house has to be one of the most dull houses you will visit, you go in a tiny bit of it as the council seem to want to keep a lot of it for storage and their own staff.
the walled garden and church are lovely, the house has to be one of the most dull houses you will visit, you go in a tiny bit of it as the council seem to want to keep a lot of it for storage and their own staff. beach1e
  • Score: 6

6:41pm Tue 25 Feb 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

Mr_Stig wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
Stephanie Excell isn't a councillor any more is she - I thought she resigned?
had a leaflet for her today; she's standing in Shaw or whatever we are called now (Peatmoor, Nine Elms etc)
Aaah, so she's a prospective Labour councillor then, an important bit of information missing from the article!

You'd have hoped she'd have learned her lesson and hopefully run a more positive and truthful campaign than she did for the residents of Oakhurst under the heading of "Oakhurst Residents Association" with Tadpole Farm. Doesn't really sound like it though!
The Exell dynasty do like to try and gain 'control' of as many areas of Swindon as possible:

Paul Excell, chairman of Oakhurst Residents Association
Stephanie Excell, secretary of Oakhurst Residents Association

Paul Exell, councillor, Haydon Wick Parish Council
Stephanie Exell, councillor, Haydon Wick Parish Council
Simon Exell, youth councillor, Haydon Wick Parish Council

Despite (or maybe due to) Mrs Exell once having been a Tory councillor in Swindon, the current agenda appears decidedly militant Left.

It would appear, from other indiscretions, that the circulation of rabble-rousing leaflets is a favoured tactic.
No Idea about the Excell dynasty as mentioned (and have no idea who they are etc) but got to be marginally better than a Nick and Mary Martin double act! "To me, to you" and Foot in mouth Nick

Maybe shaw is doomed!
If that's the choice I'd vote independent!
[quote][p][bold]Mr_Stig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: Stephanie Excell isn't a councillor any more is she - I thought she resigned?[/p][/quote]had a leaflet for her today; she's standing in Shaw or whatever we are called now (Peatmoor, Nine Elms etc)[/p][/quote]Aaah, so she's a prospective Labour councillor then, an important bit of information missing from the article! You'd have hoped she'd have learned her lesson and hopefully run a more positive and truthful campaign than she did for the residents of Oakhurst under the heading of "Oakhurst Residents Association" with Tadpole Farm. Doesn't really sound like it though![/p][/quote]The Exell dynasty do like to try and gain 'control' of as many areas of Swindon as possible: Paul Excell, chairman of Oakhurst Residents Association Stephanie Excell, secretary of Oakhurst Residents Association Paul Exell, councillor, Haydon Wick Parish Council Stephanie Exell, councillor, Haydon Wick Parish Council Simon Exell, youth councillor, Haydon Wick Parish Council Despite (or maybe due to) Mrs Exell once having been a Tory councillor in Swindon, the current agenda appears decidedly militant Left. It would appear, from other indiscretions, that the circulation of rabble-rousing leaflets is a favoured tactic.[/p][/quote]No Idea about the Excell dynasty as mentioned (and have no idea who they are etc) but got to be marginally better than a Nick and Mary Martin double act! "To me, to you" and Foot in mouth Nick Maybe shaw is doomed![/p][/quote]If that's the choice I'd vote independent! The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: 3

7:38pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:
Morsey wrote:
You tell me what they will do then ... when their only policies are to dispose of any expenditure of whatever kind? When there is NOTHING left to dispose of what will this sad bunch turn to next? Wake up and see the future under this callous and unsupportive of the broader electorate attitude!

Try and break the thumbs down record ... I believe it is around 16?
Are you seriously stating, quite publically, that you *actually* believe the Conservative party might consider introducing an official policy of sending the elderly and sick to the gas chamber?

Do you have any idea how utterly ridiculous it makes you sound, and how it completely destroys any credibility you hope your comments may have?

And then you wonder why so many people downvote your posts.

Outstanding.
Now now Chanx pot kettle black there??
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Morsey[/bold] wrote: You tell me what they will do then ... when their only policies are to dispose of any expenditure of whatever kind? When there is NOTHING left to dispose of what will this sad bunch turn to next? Wake up and see the future under this callous and unsupportive of the broader electorate attitude! Try and break the thumbs down record ... I believe it is around 16?[/p][/quote]Are you seriously stating, quite publically, that you *actually* believe the Conservative party might consider introducing an official policy of sending the elderly and sick to the gas chamber? Do you have any idea how utterly ridiculous it makes you sound, and how it completely destroys any credibility you hope your comments may have? And then you wonder why so many people downvote your posts. Outstanding.[/p][/quote]Now now Chanx pot kettle black there?? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 0

7:42pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
The thumbs are being furiously fiddled with today. Anything that is critical of the Tory party always gets that treatment. Desperate!
I dont understand why the thumbs matter?
Same people voting irrelevant of the topic will vote their own opinion.
Is there a prize for thumbs?
The day people like ChanX agree with me will be the day I am in the home with him desperately trying to pull my own plug
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: The thumbs are being furiously fiddled with today. Anything that is critical of the Tory party always gets that treatment. Desperate![/p][/quote]I dont understand why the thumbs matter? Same people voting irrelevant of the topic will vote their own opinion. Is there a prize for thumbs? The day people like ChanX agree with me will be the day I am in the home with him desperately trying to pull my own plug Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 1

8:42pm Tue 25 Feb 14

roberto5 says...

The Real Librarian wrote:
roberto5 wrote:
Lydiard Park has been mis managed from the get go, when have the council ever tried to create an income for it? The first thought that comes to mind is pay for parking there if you need revenue. Lydiard is a 300 acre park, which some cities don't even have, it should be managed properly. Currently SBC aren't doing this, it needs to be handed to a private investor were cash will be pumped in, it's still kept for the people, put there will be some charge for using it.
Fantastic. Parking charges!

That won't make people park in the surrounding streets, will it!
Attitudes like that have put Lydiard on it's knees. It will definitely be sold of to the private sector no doubt. The Heritage lottery protection has finally run out for the park, the Tories know that and they aren't going to bank roll it anymore. It will go, just a matter of time. When the park was granted lottery funding, one of the main constraints were for the council to look after it for a number of years, this time has now lapsed. It's free to do what they like with it. Fact.
[quote][p][bold]The Real Librarian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roberto5[/bold] wrote: Lydiard Park has been mis managed from the get go, when have the council ever tried to create an income for it? The first thought that comes to mind is pay for parking there if you need revenue. Lydiard is a 300 acre park, which some cities don't even have, it should be managed properly. Currently SBC aren't doing this, it needs to be handed to a private investor were cash will be pumped in, it's still kept for the people, put there will be some charge for using it.[/p][/quote]Fantastic. Parking charges! That won't make people park in the surrounding streets, will it![/p][/quote]Attitudes like that have put Lydiard on it's knees. It will definitely be sold of to the private sector no doubt. The Heritage lottery protection has finally run out for the park, the Tories know that and they aren't going to bank roll it anymore. It will go, just a matter of time. When the park was granted lottery funding, one of the main constraints were for the council to look after it for a number of years, this time has now lapsed. It's free to do what they like with it. Fact. roberto5
  • Score: 3

9:18pm Tue 25 Feb 14

house on the hill says...

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
Mr_Stig wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
Stephanie Excell isn't a councillor any more is she - I thought she resigned?
had a leaflet for her today; she's standing in Shaw or whatever we are called now (Peatmoor, Nine Elms etc)
Aaah, so she's a prospective Labour councillor then, an important bit of information missing from the article!

You'd have hoped she'd have learned her lesson and hopefully run a more positive and truthful campaign than she did for the residents of Oakhurst under the heading of "Oakhurst Residents Association" with Tadpole Farm. Doesn't really sound like it though!
The Exell dynasty do like to try and gain 'control' of as many areas of Swindon as possible:

Paul Excell, chairman of Oakhurst Residents Association
Stephanie Excell, secretary of Oakhurst Residents Association

Paul Exell, councillor, Haydon Wick Parish Council
Stephanie Exell, councillor, Haydon Wick Parish Council
Simon Exell, youth councillor, Haydon Wick Parish Council

Despite (or maybe due to) Mrs Exell once having been a Tory councillor in Swindon, the current agenda appears decidedly militant Left.

It would appear, from other indiscretions, that the circulation of rabble-rousing leaflets is a favoured tactic.
No Idea about the Excell dynasty as mentioned (and have no idea who they are etc) but got to be marginally better than a Nick and Mary Martin double act! "To me, to you" and Foot in mouth Nick

Maybe shaw is doomed!
If that's the choice I'd vote independent!
They are a bunch of useless to55ers on all sides and why we have this stupid mess we are in. Couldn't navigate their way out of a paper bag unless there was something in it for them.
[quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr_Stig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: Stephanie Excell isn't a councillor any more is she - I thought she resigned?[/p][/quote]had a leaflet for her today; she's standing in Shaw or whatever we are called now (Peatmoor, Nine Elms etc)[/p][/quote]Aaah, so she's a prospective Labour councillor then, an important bit of information missing from the article! You'd have hoped she'd have learned her lesson and hopefully run a more positive and truthful campaign than she did for the residents of Oakhurst under the heading of "Oakhurst Residents Association" with Tadpole Farm. Doesn't really sound like it though![/p][/quote]The Exell dynasty do like to try and gain 'control' of as many areas of Swindon as possible: Paul Excell, chairman of Oakhurst Residents Association Stephanie Excell, secretary of Oakhurst Residents Association Paul Exell, councillor, Haydon Wick Parish Council Stephanie Exell, councillor, Haydon Wick Parish Council Simon Exell, youth councillor, Haydon Wick Parish Council Despite (or maybe due to) Mrs Exell once having been a Tory councillor in Swindon, the current agenda appears decidedly militant Left. It would appear, from other indiscretions, that the circulation of rabble-rousing leaflets is a favoured tactic.[/p][/quote]No Idea about the Excell dynasty as mentioned (and have no idea who they are etc) but got to be marginally better than a Nick and Mary Martin double act! "To me, to you" and Foot in mouth Nick Maybe shaw is doomed![/p][/quote]If that's the choice I'd vote independent![/p][/quote]They are a bunch of useless to55ers on all sides and why we have this stupid mess we are in. Couldn't navigate their way out of a paper bag unless there was something in it for them. house on the hill
  • Score: -1

10:53pm Tue 25 Feb 14

ChаnnelX says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Morsey wrote:
You tell me what they will do then ... when their only policies are to dispose of any expenditure of whatever kind? When there is NOTHING left to dispose of what will this sad bunch turn to next? Wake up and see the future under this callous and unsupportive of the broader electorate attitude!

Try and break the thumbs down record ... I believe it is around 16?
Are you seriously stating, quite publically, that you *actually* believe the Conservative party might consider introducing an official policy of sending the elderly and sick to the gas chamber?

Do you have any idea how utterly ridiculous it makes you sound, and how it completely destroys any credibility you hope your comments may have?

And then you wonder why so many people downvote your posts.

Outstanding.
Now now Chanx pot kettle black there??
I may be a right-wing extremist but even *I* would never, quite publicly, admit my views stretch this far.

Outstanding.
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Morsey[/bold] wrote: You tell me what they will do then ... when their only policies are to dispose of any expenditure of whatever kind? When there is NOTHING left to dispose of what will this sad bunch turn to next? Wake up and see the future under this callous and unsupportive of the broader electorate attitude! Try and break the thumbs down record ... I believe it is around 16?[/p][/quote]Are you seriously stating, quite publically, that you *actually* believe the Conservative party might consider introducing an official policy of sending the elderly and sick to the gas chamber? Do you have any idea how utterly ridiculous it makes you sound, and how it completely destroys any credibility you hope your comments may have? And then you wonder why so many people downvote your posts. Outstanding.[/p][/quote]Now now Chanx pot kettle black there??[/p][/quote]I may be a right-wing extremist but even *I* would never, quite publicly, admit my views stretch this far. Outstanding. ChаnnelX
  • Score: -2

8:33am Wed 26 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

ChаnnelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Morsey wrote:
You tell me what they will do then ... when their only policies are to dispose of any expenditure of whatever kind? When there is NOTHING left to dispose of what will this sad bunch turn to next? Wake up and see the future under this callous and unsupportive of the broader electorate attitude!

Try and break the thumbs down record ... I believe it is around 16?
Are you seriously stating, quite publically, that you *actually* believe the Conservative party might consider introducing an official policy of sending the elderly and sick to the gas chamber?

Do you have any idea how utterly ridiculous it makes you sound, and how it completely destroys any credibility you hope your comments may have?

And then you wonder why so many people downvote your posts.

Outstanding.
Now now Chanx pot kettle black there??
I may be a right-wing extremist but even *I* would never, quite publicly, admit my views stretch this far.

Outstanding.
Great, you're back.
[quote][p][bold]ChаnnelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Morsey[/bold] wrote: You tell me what they will do then ... when their only policies are to dispose of any expenditure of whatever kind? When there is NOTHING left to dispose of what will this sad bunch turn to next? Wake up and see the future under this callous and unsupportive of the broader electorate attitude! Try and break the thumbs down record ... I believe it is around 16?[/p][/quote]Are you seriously stating, quite publically, that you *actually* believe the Conservative party might consider introducing an official policy of sending the elderly and sick to the gas chamber? Do you have any idea how utterly ridiculous it makes you sound, and how it completely destroys any credibility you hope your comments may have? And then you wonder why so many people downvote your posts. Outstanding.[/p][/quote]Now now Chanx pot kettle black there??[/p][/quote]I may be a right-wing extremist but even *I* would never, quite publicly, admit my views stretch this far. Outstanding.[/p][/quote]Great, you're back. ChannelX
  • Score: -5

9:13am Wed 26 Feb 14

Morsey says...

You've gotta laugh ...
You've gotta laugh ... Morsey
  • Score: -2

9:16am Wed 26 Feb 14

ChаnnelX says...

ChannelX wrote:
ChаnnelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Morsey wrote:
You tell me what they will do then ... when their only policies are to dispose of any expenditure of whatever kind? When there is NOTHING left to dispose of what will this sad bunch turn to next? Wake up and see the future under this callous and unsupportive of the broader electorate attitude!

Try and break the thumbs down record ... I believe it is around 16?
Are you seriously stating, quite publically, that you *actually* believe the Conservative party might consider introducing an official policy of sending the elderly and sick to the gas chamber?

Do you have any idea how utterly ridiculous it makes you sound, and how it completely destroys any credibility you hope your comments may have?

And then you wonder why so many people downvote your posts.

Outstanding.
Now now Chanx pot kettle black there??
I may be a right-wing extremist but even *I* would never, quite publicly, admit my views stretch this far.

Outstanding.
Great, you're back.
Priceless.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChаnnelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Morsey[/bold] wrote: You tell me what they will do then ... when their only policies are to dispose of any expenditure of whatever kind? When there is NOTHING left to dispose of what will this sad bunch turn to next? Wake up and see the future under this callous and unsupportive of the broader electorate attitude! Try and break the thumbs down record ... I believe it is around 16?[/p][/quote]Are you seriously stating, quite publically, that you *actually* believe the Conservative party might consider introducing an official policy of sending the elderly and sick to the gas chamber? Do you have any idea how utterly ridiculous it makes you sound, and how it completely destroys any credibility you hope your comments may have? And then you wonder why so many people downvote your posts. Outstanding.[/p][/quote]Now now Chanx pot kettle black there??[/p][/quote]I may be a right-wing extremist but even *I* would never, quite publicly, admit my views stretch this far. Outstanding.[/p][/quote]Great, you're back.[/p][/quote]Priceless. ChаnnelX
  • Score: 1

11:27am Wed 26 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

ChаnnelX wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
ChаnnelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Morsey wrote:
You tell me what they will do then ... when their only policies are to dispose of any expenditure of whatever kind? When there is NOTHING left to dispose of what will this sad bunch turn to next? Wake up and see the future under this callous and unsupportive of the broader electorate attitude!

Try and break the thumbs down record ... I believe it is around 16?
Are you seriously stating, quite publically, that you *actually* believe the Conservative party might consider introducing an official policy of sending the elderly and sick to the gas chamber?

Do you have any idea how utterly ridiculous it makes you sound, and how it completely destroys any credibility you hope your comments may have?

And then you wonder why so many people downvote your posts.

Outstanding.
Now now Chanx pot kettle black there??
I may be a right-wing extremist but even *I* would never, quite publicly, admit my views stretch this far.

Outstanding.
Great, you're back.
Priceless.
Actually, it's time to come clean. I did clone Ringer's old account and now I've cloned the ChannelX one.

As I've posted before, as long as he/she keeps posting here, I will spot their posts and create clones of their account.

Toodle pip!
[quote][p][bold]ChаnnelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChаnnelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Morsey[/bold] wrote: You tell me what they will do then ... when their only policies are to dispose of any expenditure of whatever kind? When there is NOTHING left to dispose of what will this sad bunch turn to next? Wake up and see the future under this callous and unsupportive of the broader electorate attitude! Try and break the thumbs down record ... I believe it is around 16?[/p][/quote]Are you seriously stating, quite publically, that you *actually* believe the Conservative party might consider introducing an official policy of sending the elderly and sick to the gas chamber? Do you have any idea how utterly ridiculous it makes you sound, and how it completely destroys any credibility you hope your comments may have? And then you wonder why so many people downvote your posts. Outstanding.[/p][/quote]Now now Chanx pot kettle black there??[/p][/quote]I may be a right-wing extremist but even *I* would never, quite publicly, admit my views stretch this far. Outstanding.[/p][/quote]Great, you're back.[/p][/quote]Priceless.[/p][/quote]Actually, it's time to come clean. I did clone Ringer's old account and now I've cloned the ChannelX one. As I've posted before, as long as he/she keeps posting here, I will spot their posts and create clones of their account. Toodle pip! ChannelX
  • Score: 3

12:35pm Wed 26 Feb 14

ChаnnelX says...

ChannelX wrote:
ChаnnelX wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
ChаnnelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Morsey wrote:
You tell me what they will do then ... when their only policies are to dispose of any expenditure of whatever kind? When there is NOTHING left to dispose of what will this sad bunch turn to next? Wake up and see the future under this callous and unsupportive of the broader electorate attitude!

Try and break the thumbs down record ... I believe it is around 16?
Are you seriously stating, quite publically, that you *actually* believe the Conservative party might consider introducing an official policy of sending the elderly and sick to the gas chamber?

Do you have any idea how utterly ridiculous it makes you sound, and how it completely destroys any credibility you hope your comments may have?

And then you wonder why so many people downvote your posts.

Outstanding.
Now now Chanx pot kettle black there??
I may be a right-wing extremist but even *I* would never, quite publicly, admit my views stretch this far.

Outstanding.
Great, you're back.
Priceless.
Actually, it's time to come clean. I did clone Ringer's old account and now I've cloned the ChannelX one.

As I've posted before, as long as he/she keeps posting here, I will spot their posts and create clones of their account.

Toodle pip!
Very amusing. Why don't you go back the the old parody stuff, it worked much better for you and at least I agreed with most of it.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChаnnelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChаnnelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Morsey[/bold] wrote: You tell me what they will do then ... when their only policies are to dispose of any expenditure of whatever kind? When there is NOTHING left to dispose of what will this sad bunch turn to next? Wake up and see the future under this callous and unsupportive of the broader electorate attitude! Try and break the thumbs down record ... I believe it is around 16?[/p][/quote]Are you seriously stating, quite publically, that you *actually* believe the Conservative party might consider introducing an official policy of sending the elderly and sick to the gas chamber? Do you have any idea how utterly ridiculous it makes you sound, and how it completely destroys any credibility you hope your comments may have? And then you wonder why so many people downvote your posts. Outstanding.[/p][/quote]Now now Chanx pot kettle black there??[/p][/quote]I may be a right-wing extremist but even *I* would never, quite publicly, admit my views stretch this far. Outstanding.[/p][/quote]Great, you're back.[/p][/quote]Priceless.[/p][/quote]Actually, it's time to come clean. I did clone Ringer's old account and now I've cloned the ChannelX one. As I've posted before, as long as he/she keeps posting here, I will spot their posts and create clones of their account. Toodle pip![/p][/quote]Very amusing. Why don't you go back the the old parody stuff, it worked much better for you and at least I agreed with most of it. ChаnnelX
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